September 8, 2024 • 67 mins
Welcome to another riveting episode of Theory Paranormal! Join hosts Pax and Dalton as they delve into the fascinating world of astral projection and out-of-body experiences in Season 2, Episode 8. In this episode, they explore the mystical and scientific perspectives of astral travel, sharing personal anecdotes, historical references, and listener questions.
Discover how ancient civilizations, modern-day seekers, and scientific communities perceive this profound spiritual endeavor. Pax and Dalton also discuss the potential dangers and benefits of astral projection, the concept of the silver cord, and the intriguing connection between astral travel and religious texts.
Whether you're a seasoned astral traveler or a curious skeptic, this episode promises to broaden your understanding of the unseen realms. Tune in for an enlightening journey into the mysteries of the human consciousness!
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Theory Paranormal. Welcome to Theory Paranormal.
My name is Pax with my fellow host Dalton.
This is going to be season two, episode slash podcast number eight.
And the subject is going to be on astral projection and out-of-body experiences.
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So give everybody a moment to take that in. Okay, we're good.
So, with that, welcome everybody to Theory of Paranormal.
This is a paranormal podcast in reference of the paranormal nature,
things that you can't normally explain over coffee with mom and dad when they
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ask you how your weekend went or your week.
We try to take subjects, either A, that me and my partner Dalton,
that we do the paranormal stuff together, team.
We put the subjects out there we try to explain some things we give our theory
hence the name Theory of Paranormal and we inject a little bit of levity in
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the topics just for some humor,
but ultimately we try to.
What our thoughts are in it and let everybody have
some uh points to think about so with
that being said how are you doing today dalton
doing pretty good my friend doing
pretty good you know just just strolling along
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with day-by-day life as as we always
do oh yeah but astral projection
huh we went from what we go from we
went from reincarnation to deja vu now we're going to astral projection correct
about that oh yeah how about that so well tell me we had a we had a we had an
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i mean uh i don't before we get started i want to recognize we did have an email from the
last podcast right yes we did so this person was basically asking about our opinion.
On the topic which we kind of i'm gonna
say we kind of if you listen to the podcast we kind of gave our
spiel about it they were talking
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about how they have memories of
a person that's close to them or something and and
and they they had like events with this
person and they were able to remember
them you know the all the events and stuff if
i recall that's what he was talking about and this
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basically i guess happened to them
and somebody else pretty pretty interesting statement
that he gave he was morally
talking about memories are not limited
to the person in their current existence he relies more on common like you know
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today i guess like uh he calls it a memory library which i can i could kind
of see that but he went on and he talked about his experiences.
And one thing he was doing, I think he was doing something with his grandma and then, you know.
An eggshell or something broke and then something happened
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similar to that and he said you know she kind of looked up like deja
vu and but anyway his main thing was or she it just they left the letter c in
a period so c thank you for the email and got a ps there it says how long does
deja vu last Last seconds, minutes, or just moments? Right.
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I'm going to say just moments. Like sometimes it's brief, you know,
and like I mentioned in the podcast, you really sometimes might not know it until you walk away.
What do you think, man? What do you think? How long do you think Deja Vu lasts?
I think Deja Vu lasts seconds to maybe about 10 seconds or so from my own personal
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experience that I've had thus far.
It, I think, is about eye of the beholder. And it all depends on the scenario
of what's going on and how cognizant you are of it.
So I think everybody has a different interpretation, a different awareness of it.
And ultimately, it just depends on how much you are keyed into it, of the scenario.
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And just to let you know, No, it was actually a female that wrote that in.
Oh, okay. And to recap, what it came down to is that the individual had an experience
in the kitchen that had to do with cooking and so forth, and an egg dropped,
and they were sold for age.
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Well, the same exact scenario literally happened in the same spot with a family
member that was older than them at their same age.
That the younger individual was same making
the same recipe same everything and so
the email oh that's right
one was the grandmother one was the mother yeah and
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so that's right and so ultimately what it came down
to is that potentially through bloodlines
and age and and so forth that maybe Maybe you are predetermined slash destined
to have certain events happen or repeated comparative to something that may
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have happened previously before.
But then the person went on
to just more or less say that events in
life may or may not be planned and there potentially could be a memory slash
recollection type system in place that could furnish thoughts and memories of
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things that have happened.
Maybe not this lifetime, but you're able to retrieve that and get hindsight
or a glimpse into things that have maybe happened in the past that may be associated
to you on a personal level.
And by past, I'm talking like not in your lifetime.
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There's no way you have this knowledge that you learned it, but yet you're able
to retrieve it and know things.
There's no other the way that you could have known. So it was kind of like she,
she mentioned reincarnated, which we, we mentioned in the podcast about being reincarnated.
And I also said that, you know, you're reincarnated, your, your energy and your
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soul just goes into another vessel.
So of course, whatever you picked up on your past life with your energy and your soul.
Yes. It's it, you're supposed to, like I mentioned before, you're supposed to forget.
You're not supposed to remember your past life, but, there
might be a break or a tear in the barriers now
that you know that's why you have these people you
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know these kids remembering stuff that they just shouldn't know
they couldn't know i mean it's not that they shouldn't
know it it's that they couldn't know it they're too young to know that and so
yeah so yeah you know i agree it's seconds seconds and minutes i mean it could
be moment that can be considered as moments but i but i agree man seconds like
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it it it's not Not something that lasts a long time. Right.
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Yeah. And at the end, well, you can, the emails are great.
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So astral projection. Astral projection.
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That is the more metaphysical term of this subject matter versus out-of-body experience,
or potato-potato, outer-body experience.
It just depends on the way you're phrasing it. Well, you can also go scientifically
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and say which is separating the astral body from the physical vessel.
Physical vessel, of course, being your body and your astral body is like your energy form inside.
It's basically a profoundly spiritual endeavor that many ancient civilizations have known about.
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And modern day seekers are catching on to insights and like they say that one can gain this practice.
And I've heard about the books that try to teach you how to astral project.
I don't, I don't know. I mean, I'm an astral projector myself and I never,
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you know, it seems like you're dreaming when you do it at first,
when you're not truly understanding what you're actually doing.
Um, it kind of seems like you're having a dream, but when you realize,
like, like when I asked her project, like I can go around the house and then
see my family sleeping in their beds, you know?
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So, and it, to me, after a while of doing that, I was kind of like,
I would try different things.
And so like, if I went through a wall, I could feel my body tightening up.
Like I have, like, you can feel it, like the sensation of you squeezing through a wall.
Then I started to realize, I'm like, well, wait a minute. if i'm feeling this
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if i'm feeling like i'm going through an out like a like an object,
a solid object and i'm tensing up
even though even though my astral form has left my body my body i still feel
it and if i can see you know my family sleeping in their beds like go in the
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room and watch over them in the spiritual form but then when you come back and
you're looking at yourself,
like I've seen myself laying there.
And then I'm like, so after a while of doing that, I'm kind of like,
you know, I need to research this. Cause this is, this is kind of too real.
If you want to say it's kind of, but I've had some, some fun things with it.
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I mean, my ex used to get up and be like, Hey, who are you talking to? Or what are you doing?
You know? And one night, and she was not really a believer in the paranormal or anything.
And one night, she thought I was actually dead because I wasn't moving.
But I was projected. I was out of my body, and I was floating around doing whatever
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I was doing at that time, usually chasing other spirits out the house because
it's easier for me to see them in that form.
And I kept hearing her go, calling my name, saying, wake up, wake up.
You know and and i felt this uh i can't really explain it but it was just a weird feeling so i
when i came back to my body i came back so fast that she watched my body sink
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into the bed and i flipped out of the bed onto the floor and then i so i quickly
jumped up off the floor and i'm like hey why did you push me out of the bed
she's like uh-uh nope you better tell me what just
happened you know what i mean so i had to explain it to her you know my paranormal stuff and,
being an astral projector so it was kind of kind of kind of funny but kind of weird for her at first.
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But it comes in a, you know, it's very handy if you have, if you're able,
you got the capabilities to do it and you know how to, what you can do with that.
For instance, my daughter, she was seeing, she has abilities,
but a little bit different than mine. She actually sees them.
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And one of them played a trick on her and made themselves look like my oldest daughter.
And she followed her out of the room. half
asleep because we were remodeling our guest bathroom and they had to use our
master bathroom and of course i woke up open the door and there she is standing
i'm like what are you doing she's like well i'm waiting on sis to get out the
bathroom and i'm like she ain't in the bathroom i said you ever see the door
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open and she's like nope so i said go in there and do your thing and,
so when she went back to bed i asked her projected and you know was able to create a
kind of a barrier around the perimeter of the
house inside and uh and then
after that you know she didn't have any problems she's seen
them but you know they were the ones that were legit not
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ones trying to play tricks you know what i'm saying so oh i do so well what
about you man well i'll say this just to set the premise just to clear the air
because we know what we're talking about but i know some listeners are probably
scratching their head and go what in the world or you getting out.
So here's the short and sweet premise of astral projection or out-of-body experience.
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I want you to think of you being asleep and you know when you go to sleep, you get tired mentally.
You go to bed, you're knocked out, you're snoring.
You don't remember anything. You wake up and you feel refreshed. Okay.
Now that's the premise of sleeping.
Well, imagine where you go
to sleep but instead of you
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being asleep you are mentally awake like you've
had a hundred cups of coffee in your conscious
well that is the premise
of astral projection your body is physically asleep inert not moving and arresting
state consciously in your brain your mind on a energy level you are awake and
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then for all intents and purposes,
as it goes to theory, to personal experiences,
to researched experiences at different research centers and colleges and universities
and different religions and different places throughout time,
all throughout history and the world, you leave your body.
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And what I mean by that is, is imagined a carbon copy of your body that just
steps out of it like a ghost, like Casper, if anybody watched Casper the Ghost back in the day.
That's more or less how it is. There is a secondary version of you based on
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the principle of energy and conscious thought.
And so then you're able to go to different places.
It can be like, as Dalton was saying, you know, through the house.
It could be to a different location across the city, maybe across the state,
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or even across the world.
Hence, astral travel is what it is.
And some people would even dare call this remote viewing by being able to get
information and bringing it back to your physical body.
The levels of the way this is referred to sometimes will also be obe as i previously
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stated or out-of-body experience basically that could be a temporary type thing very limited very quick,
one of the the earmarks to this which
is interesting is i am
sure everybody's had this experience once in their life when they're sleeping
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and you know when you're dead asleep and then your whole body jolts and you
kind of shoot up sit up in the bed or you your whole body jolts and you wake
up all of a sudden well physiologically speaking from a medical sense,
that has to do with nerves it has to do with different dopamine levels in the brain,
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from when you're trying to sleep and your body's bouncing things out and you come to.
That's one perspective, medically speaking.
The other, for people that are more into metaphysical aspects and astral projection
and other things, some people will argue and say, well, that's your astral version
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coming back into your physical body.
So it's like, okay, I'm kind of a, the glass is half empty, half full type of
person. So I'd say that may be a possibility.
The other way to look at this is in various religions and cultures,
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there is a terminology that's called phasing.
And that means basically, again, leaving your body and to ascend a higher conscious
level of enlightenment and understanding.
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Celestial, eternal, or nirvanic body, it just depends on the.
Overall theology aspect of what you follow is going to dictate the way it's going to be described.
But ultimately, ultimately it just comes down to a higher level of consciousness.
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Some people medically will say it's due to psychiatric disorders,
brain dysfunctions, maybe foreign pharmaceutical agents in the body or altered psychological states.
I mean, it all depends which way you want to go to justify what it is.
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But the thing that I find very interesting between the research that I did on
this a long time ago, decades ago,
and watching firsthand accounts through documentaries and reading and so forth,
is the knowledge people were obtaining and getting and things people were automatically having.
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Was kind of startling because let's say, for instance, somebody lives in Spain
and they speak the native language.
They'd never been anywhere else their whole life.
And then out of nowhere, one day,
they start understanding Hangul, which
is the native language of the people
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of korea and start knowing
their culture start knowing things that only a
native person would know if they lived in the vicinity of certain areas of the
country and just to know that out of nowhere from just going to bed and waking
up you know you kind of have to say this is kind of interesting but unless they're
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possessed then And it's a whole nother chapter.
Well, yeah, that's a whole different podcast that we did previously called Possession.
Riveting, exciting episode that we did, me and Dalton.
Well, use the reference for Casper. I'll use the reference of Michael J.
Fox and the Frighteners.
For somebody that's ever seen
that. Where he had to go into to save his girlfriend, the new girlfriend.
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Who was a medic, she was a doctor and she actually pretty much put him almost
in like an induced death where the heart rate, the members, she put him in the
freezer, got his heart rate real low.
And then he asked her projected pretty much.
Well, if you want to call it astral projection or his spirit form came about.
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So that's kind of what to me, that's kind of the astral projection part.
And he had to turn into a ghost basically.
To fight a ghost and he
only had so much time to do it but anyway the astral
projection is kind of the same thing so what
i mean to me what it boils down to journey of self-discovery and it's actually
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if you want to call it it's a passport to unseen realms right now you can go
now you can go when When you do outside physical, when you're outside your physical body,
the astral plane is dimension of reality beyond our physical world, of course.
So basically, there's a couple of things.
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Like I've actually been in an area, Insidious, the movie Insidious is another,
that's actually about astral projection.
Projection and it was handed down to his son and he astral projected somewhere
that he wasn't supposed to be and he got trapped by a demon that was waiting
his time to take over the kid's body,
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and spoiler alert you know if anybody hadn't seen it but so basically i've been
i'm not going to go into the whole story of how i've been somewhere i just say
i've been somewhere i wasn't supposed to
be and it wasn't very comfortable i don't know how i got there normally i was
always like just inside the house or you know around the yard or you know whatever
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but i've had people tell me.
Some other paranormal investigators that also have a religious background behind them.
And they told me that basically without getting too politically religion,
but basically saying that astral projectors were created so that God,
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we're like the hand of God, basically.
So, and I'm not saying, I'm just saying this is what I was told.
So basically what happens
is if somebody's in a hospital and they're sick or they're they you know they
have a disease or something then god will take certain amount of astral projectors
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and bring them into the room to help heal that person he'll he uses the astral
projectors to actually Actually,
like each astral projector has some kind of, supposed to have some kind of ability.
I'm not going to say gift. I don't like the word gift. So I'm just going to
say ability to do something.
So he takes whatever's going on. He takes those certain ones,
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brings them into the room, and helps heal the person that's sick,
which you've heard of the miracles.
Obstacles, you know, one day there's a person laying there and they're,
you know, they're not understanding what's going on with that person.
They can't figure it out. And the next morning they wake up and the,
you know, the person sitting there eating breakfast, watching cartoons or something,
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and they're floored because they're like, what just happened?
Like yesterday, we couldn't figure out what was wrong with this person.
They were barely speaking, barely moving. Now they're eating breakfast,
moving around, talking about what's up.
You know, you've heard those stories right so the
whole thing is that's one take that
i put out in the pasture because i
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don't know if that's real or not i can't answer that
i've never personally remember ever
doing an astral projection you know
at a time that i've done it and and remembered being in a hospital room or or
anything now maybe i maybe i'm not supposed to remember that who knows but i
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don't recall any of that now the other part the perks there's there's perks of astral projection.
It's not just like a you know hey it's
a cool party trick you know do it again it's a
deep dive in your spiritual you know deep
in your spiritual self so personal enlightenment gain new perspectives or unearth
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buried emotions higher realm connect connectivity encounter higher states of
consciousness which you kind of mentioned or even spiritual entities and then self-discovery.
Uncover insights about your life's paths or your innermost self,
which is kind of like, wouldn't you say, kind of reaching for your chi?
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You could say that. Yeah, a higher level of enlightenment, which could be related
to chi, which is another name for energy, which people are used to.
In the metaphysical world, you're talking about your chakras and your power points and all of that.
Collectively, it's the same thing. But reference point wise and depending on
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what you're talking about could mean different things for subject matter.
Right. Well, I'm going with your your life's path and your when they say your
innermost self, usually when you're going for your inner self,
you're trying to, you know, to me, you're you're trying to grab your chi and
get your inner spirit going. on.
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You know, they, they talk about things.
I've never had to do a mental or physical prep. They talk about meditation,
relaxation, overcoming fear.
I've never had any of that. I just go to sleep.
I guess I'm, you know, you want to say that's part of the abilities that I've
had amongst the other stuff is just being able to go to sleep.
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And then whenever I feel like that, that I had to go, I don't even think I had a feeling of it.
I just did it, and it was at a time where I needed to do it, I guess.
And other times when I don't do it, it's not because I'm thinking of it or I
planned on it, like I'm going to go to bed.
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Now, that moment with my daughter where that entity was messing with my daughter,
I planned on it, like I'm going to go to sleep, and I'm going to get such a
deep sleep that I'm going to astral project and find out what's going on here
because I don't like tricksters. You know, I don't like,
you know, spirits playing tricks. So, but every other time, I can't say that
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I actually even thought about it. It just happened.
And like I said, in the beginning, I had to learn what it was.
So, but they also tell you that during your, your adventure,
they call it your astral adventure.
You know, stay, stay aware, keep a clear head to make the most of your journey,
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and make sure you have a safe return which is
which is i do know that you think of your physical body and
you'll zip right back into it once you think about it that's that's you know
how that works but i don't know man you know the scientific is there any kind
of we talked about it in the last podcast i believe where they were doing experiments
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on people trying to force induce Induce astral projection.
Oh, yeah. Yep. Yeah.
There's been multiple dudes of universities and institutions around the world
that have looked into this.
And if I am correct, even the CIA looked into this for various functionalities of potential use.
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There have been
individuals from the late 1800s all the way up to current time that have tried
to not only learn from previous individuals but also to try new methodologies for out-of-body.
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I briefly touched base on it in the last podcast episode, but there's a place
that is in Virginia called the Monroe Institute, named after Henry Monroe. Rowe.
And he was a big, big individual studying into astral projection slash OBEs.
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And he was looking at all the different ways that they could be induced from
traumatic brain injury, sensory deprivation, near-death experiences,
disassociative and psychological drug,
as far as it goes for methodologies, dehydration, sleep disorders,
and dreaming and electrical stimulation of the brain.
Those are just some of the ways they were able to induce this feeling of doing that.
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Then you have levels of psychologists and neuroscientists regarding OBEs as
dissociative experiments occurring along different psychological and neurological factors,
which have to do with the psychology of the brain and neurologically of the
way the brain is working and chemical makeups and things like that.
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I found it to be very interesting because this institute is literally still, to this day, utilizing,
practicing off their multitudes of decades of research, looking into all of
this, doing case studies and so forth.
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Sometimes you may hear the phrasing of lucid dreaming.
That's another another form of
this as it is you can
find out about parapsychology individuals
that are psychologists with a emphasis in
the paranormal that look at
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this as pretty much subtle body can attach itself from the body or the soul
as they call it but they're they're There's just tons and tons of organizations
that do research on this and universities and so forth.
Yeah, they say that your soul never completely disconnects from your body.
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They call it the silver cord. Right. It's a silver cord.
And a lot of this stuff, it can be seen throughout numerous traditions from
Hinduism, Buddhism, Christianity, to many other forms of traditions.
And the one thing that, I mean, everybody, they all, again, this is like doing the deja vu thing.
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You know, everybody starts out with the same saying, outer body experience.
And then it's when you really dive in, then you got people calling it a rare phenomenon.
It's been, you know, it's been, if it's been recorded throughout history with
different lores, basically on how to do it.
And then most recent accounts to this day, I mean, that's where you got to get
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into, you know, the thick of it, I guess, if you want to call it. Oh, yeah.
Now, one of the things that people initially when they get into OBEs or astral
projection, they, like we started off in the very beginning of this episode
talking about just traveling.
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Traveling, but it's much, much deeper than just traveling around and sightseeing.
From what is quote-unquote said that's out there you can go to different levels as they call it,
or realms realms yes of consciousness or enlightenment or understanding.
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Think of it as a building here physically maybe we're at level one you go to
sleep maybe that's level two the more you become conscious and aware the higher
the levels are and the higher of the the levels that you go,
the higher are the levels of things, people,
embodiments of some form of consciousness, energy, can be in those levels, bad or good.
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Just like we have bad or good in our world physically, well, there you go.
It's the other side. so that's that's
from the research that i've done reading dozens
of books and and watching documentaries
and so forth for i guess
you could say a better way of putting it this potentially
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hypothetically could be where the other side is
of of loved ones and
spirits and all that stuff of well again and you you could have a purpose you
know astral projectors could have now i'm not talking about the ones that read
the book and try to learn how to do it i'm talking about the natural like i'm
a natural so you could have some kind of purpose and there is a lot more than just.
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Visiting other realms and going to other places or or meeting entities but i
know that in my My research back in 2014,
there was a case study out of the University of Ottawa's School of Psychology.
I don't know if you ever heard of Ottawa School of Psychology. I've heard of Ottawa.
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Right. They got a school of psychology in which a woman said she could astral project.
So what they did was they put her again under a fMRI machine,
and she was basically stationary for about an hour.
Basically, she was in and out of astral projections.
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She was guided in and out, in which she was prompted to move her non-physical body in different ways.
Now, what these researchers did was they monitored the activity in different regions of her brain.
And throughout the exercise, they found that she did show activity that correlated
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with motion during the time she claimed to be astral projected.
So, basically, they were showing some kind of movement in the brain and the
energy inside of your body that, basically, she was probably laying there still sleeping,
but her brain was showing as though her body was moving, if that makes sense. No, it does.
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It was moving on a level, minuscule, like CNS, the central nervous system level,
but it wasn't happening hourly physically.
The impulses were there mentally, brain-wise. Right.
And then you got this Eben Alexander, who is a neurosurgeon.
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He also was on the subject of research on out-of-body experiences and astral projection.
And I believe it was 2007 or 2008, basically, an inexplicable brain infection
left him in a week-long coma, basically.
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And when he woke, he claims to have had profound memories of a journey into another realm.
Since then, he's dedicated his life to exploring the mysteries of the human consciousness.
Now, this is where near-death experience was not voluntary.
I don't know anybody who wants to volunteer to do a near-death experience,
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but that's what they said.
Nope, no thank you. I'll pass. I'll pass too so it did cause Alexander to think
astral projection was possible and he tells basically the MBG that he now uses,
binaural beats based on audio recordings to travel beyond the five senses and
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explore non-physical aspects of the consciousness now here's another thing so
we went from the things that you mentioned to,
hypnotism because in the movie Insidious, the way they got the father to,
because he forgot about it, astral projection.
And when you forget about it, you don't use it or whatever, I guess it goes away.
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So they had to hypnotize him to get him to relax to where he could astral project
and go find his kid in the other realm.
And so, you know, the hypnotizing. So this guy is using audio and And.
Recordings of audio to get into the astral form now to induce one of them right to induce it,
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because he had a near-death experience and he for about a week he was in a coma
and he swore that he went to other realms and did whatever now that could just be,
now see i i would have to say that you're you're pushing the fine line between
Between your actually ghostly spiritual form of dying came out or just your
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astral projection form came out. You know what I'm saying? Because he was in
a near-death experience.
So I would say there's a fine line there.
What exactly was going on there? so because
the problem when it comes to declaring astral projection real
or fake is that much of the information about it is pinning
down the human consciousness within the
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realm of modern science and they have proved it to be very difficult and potentially
impossible it's an impossible task now to me i know it's not an impossible task
and i know a bunch of other natural astral projectors And that's just their way of,
you know, to me, basically saying, in my opinion, again,
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my opinion, basically denying the fact that you can actually do it,
you know, look how long they've denied the paranormal or not denied it,
but just kept it under wraps, you know, ghosts, whatever, aliens, whatever.
Now, when I, when I, when I see people say stuff like that, that,
because, you know, it's not difficult.
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And the key word here is when they say this, the key word is potentially impossible,
potentially. They're not saying it's impossible.
They're saying it's potentially an impossible task.
So that tells you right there, they know what's going on and it's a real deal.
So it's nothing that – I'm not going to say –,
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There's no hesitation there to say that it's real. I know it's real.
But go ahead. You got something? Well, I was just going to say that.
I've said this many times in the past.
You know, from a scientific level and a Western and Eastern medical philosophy level,
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level anything that has to do with the paranormal is always going
to naturally try to debunk or prove false of whatever it is that's happening
because that's the narrative of science it's the have and have nots to being
able to say yes this is real or yes this is not real i think ultimately,
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just to go off your question there of you know how's this really play out i
think it's about eye of the beholder.
Everybody has different experiences. It's kind of like the game of telephone.
Everybody has intimate knowledge of whatever it is that's going on.
But by the time it's passed along, it gets misconstrued, it gets changed,
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it gets altered, or it gets to the point of people are naysayers because they
never heard the originality version of it.
So then they hear it when it's already been modified or changed so many times.
Yeah so and i mean i dig it i dig it you know it it's it's it's a thing that
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if you don't know anybody that's done it or you you you've never been around
it it's something it's something that you go what come on man i mean you know
ghost okay you know we're believing in ghosts today,
but now you're telling me that y'all can do outer body experiences and travel
to other realms well well, why not?
You know, it's part of the paranormal. It's the unexplained, right?
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So when you mention Western and Eastern civilizations, I will say that,
and I think her name was Roxanna? Yeah.
She completed her residency at the University of Virginia's Division of Perceptual Studies.
Imagine that. They have a perceptual studies class.
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So basically what she's saying is where Alexander's own near-death experience
was actually studied fundamentally.
Wow. Okay. The scientific community in this country. China.
Sometimes I have problems pronouncing, plus I'm kind of tired after driving 700 miles a day.
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But anyway, the scientific community in this country is very westernized,
very much based in what does the F say?
That's my air quotes. What does the evidence say?
And that can sometimes pull away our curiosity from things greater than ourselves.
And right there, before I move on to to the next thing.
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I'm going to say that's part of the problem is that people don't have the open
mind and want to go investigate.
What is that? Like, if you told me that...
Something was going on and blah, blah, blah. I can't even think of a scenario
right now, but just whatever. And I'm going to go see what it is.
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I'm not going to automatically just go, that's, that's phooey.
I don't believe it. You know, you're blowing smoke.
No, because I live outside the box. Everybody lives inside the box.
They, what I call inside the box, they're very close-minded and they got blinders on.
People that live outside the box, they want to know more they want to learn
more if you give them something to go look at
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they're going to go look at it and then and then we're going to go oh
yeah that is plooey that's a joke okay or wow
that's very real i didn't know that and so
this lady roxanne she adds
that there's there is no real way to
definitely to basically definitively measure
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astral projection or compare them to a
control group not to mention studying these things
requires someone with funding to have
interest and to the to that
end she was saying that most people don't know how to astral project so rounding
up solid sample size of research which basically what she's saying is getting
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people that are natural astral protectors to come forward and let them study
you you can't I agree with her on that.
You can't just grab somebody and go, hey, I want you to lay here and astral project.
But the thing is, again, is here's somebody that's saying that you have to have
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people that have the interest that want to fund research like that.
Now, didn't you say that clinic up there does research like that?
So, excuse me.
So there's, I don't know, man. It's like.
You can have people that can naturally do it, and all of a sudden you have people,
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psychics, mediums, whatever, people that astral project are writing books and
trying to teach people how to do it.
Now, my opinion, do I think teaching a person how to astral project is a good thing?
No. No, that's like that's like taking a person and saying, here's a flashlight
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and a K2 go into the Waverly Hills there in the most haunted sanitarium in the
country and go do a paranormal investigation.
Yeah, no, you just sent them into the worst place of danger that you possibly could. Good.
Now, why would you want to teach somebody to do it when you know very well that,
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yes, they're going to travel.
They might travel to other realms and it might be good for a little while.
But this person might also go like somewhere like I've been,
which ain't very comfortable and is not very good place to be.
You're not really supposed to be there.
Don't know how I got there. I wound up there one night sleeping,
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and it wasn't pretty, and I had to fight my way back out.
So I don't know, man.
It's kind of weird when they say, let's teach you how to do something that can endanger yourself.
Because, you know, if you ever watch Insidious, that kid, so he was actually
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taken by a demon and trapped.
So he was like in a coma, right? Right.
And he didn't know like he was a kid.
He was drawing pictures like he was. And the only reason I'm kind of going off
this movie is to let people know that, you know, here's a kid didn't know he
was drawing himself with a cape like he's Superman. He's flying through the air.
He thought it was fun until he got trapped by a demon.
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And then they didn't know what was wrong with him.
He just he was he was basically breathing, doing what everybody was in a coma.
And so if people you know to me it's just it's it's just forewarning like like
we warn people about the paranormal doing paranormal investigations you don't
know what place you're walking into you don't know what's going to follow you
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home you know astral projection is,
pretty much the same basis you don't know where you're going to go and you don't
know if you're going to get stuck are you going to make it back i mean yeah
you can think about your body and you're supposed to zip right back.
What if that doesn't happen?
Then what? You know, like I said, where I went, I went to a place I really wasn't
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supposed to be and I had to fight my way out of there to be able to get back to my body.
I'm not going to go into full detail of that, but it's kind of what I had to do.
I had, it was like almost a spiritual battle and I found my way back. And I think after that.
You know, my my astral projections have slowed down because,
yeah, I want to say, yeah, I was a little it was a little scary,
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you know, to go somewhere like that and know that I might not make it back to
my body to where I could wake up and hug my family.
But she says all these things.
And she also says that there tends to be a split between science and spirituality.
We all know that. We all know that there's a definite divide between what science
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thinks and what people that are spiritual and paranormal and all that think.
Now, I will say that even though science has stepped in a little bit more now
than before, I think they've been doing it all along.
I mean, heck, if Benjamin Franklin and all them back in the day were dabbling
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with the paranormal, scientists all this time had to be dabbling with the paranormal
and the unknown just to see. I mean, that's what scientists do.
They do things to see what the facts are.
But here she says, I don't think you can prove or disprove astral projection
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or out-of-body experiences.
So, again, she starts out with….
Kind of a hesitant but again winds up saying
i don't think you can prove or disprove it no i think but i think you can prove
it it's easy to prove i think it's it's it's easy to disprove if you have somebody
doesn't know what they're doing yeah would you agree to that no i fully do i
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think i think it comes down to education experience which i already leaned back onto previously.
And going from there it's like any thing that's
learned the more you do it the better you're at it the less
you do it the less you know the more not open
you are to what can and can't happen good or
bad to your own personal detriment unfortunately right
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it's just scientists are
going to always start out with
the this can't be real it's got
to be fake because i've never done so when
you astral project of course the mind leaves the physical body or your actual
energy leaves and it's free to roam around the astral plane we just mentioned
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that so the astral plane is the world where spiritual communication happens
on a very profound level and profound.
Meaning spiritual development comes far easy easier and faster than it does in a normal state
of mind now you can kind of almost say you
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know when you're younger you're open-minded so
you're more accepted to the paranormal when you're older we've
explained how you shut that down you don't think
about it you're not so open-minded about it so you don't really even though
i always say that everybody's had a paranormal experience you might just be
closed-minded to it because you're not a child no more you're not a you're not
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an open spirit basically right yeah and so so in the collective thought.
Of the realm of understanding. So then you go, you remember I mentioned the silver cord. Yeah.
So the silver cord has been described as being a smooth, very bright,
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very long, like an elastic cable made of light.
I don't know how somebody would know that, but obviously in astral form,
they might can see it. I've never seen nothing like that.
But basically in astral travel, I mentioned you remain attached to your physical body.
Is basically like an umbilical cord and oh
they you know in my research i'm looking
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through my notes right now it said that some travelers
in the in this world are able to see the silver cord
when astral projecting if the cord is broken
basically they're saying that
you are killed physically and astrally so here
again when people are teaching somebody to
astral project are they telling them this like if your cord gets
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broke you're basically gone i didn't
you know this is something that i'll be
honest with you i didn't know about a cord because i've never seen my cord it's
called the it's it's the reference of it in most circles of information on this
is called the etherical cord the etherical silver lining cord and it's nothing
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more than a a hypothetical in In theory,
an attachment line or cord that goes from your physical body to your etherical,
astral self.
And if it ever gets ruptured, snaps, breaks, disconnected...
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The negative connotation to what multitudes of individuals have said is,
for all intents and purposes,
you are no longer inhabitable or have a connection to your physical body,
and you are disassociated from it.
Right, which means you won't be able to return. Right. That's supposedly what it means.
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Right so here i am going well when
i astral project i don't see it what happened you
know that's i need to do further research to find out about
the people that don't see it what is that about
because if you got people that do see it then what
about the people that don't see it is it
there and we just ain't able to see it or is it
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is it like basically our mindset is
a little little bit not i don't know
if i want to say like higher we just
don't or we just ain't paying attention to it from my understanding it's
this in the physical world we live in right now you have conscious thought you
will your body to do things you will yourself to say things to move all these
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things it's a thought first it's energy then it becomes an action now people
have asked me when I've had these conversations before,
what is it like on the other side?
The best way is, is imagine you're thinking to yourself, okay?
You're not speaking, but you're just thinking to yourself out loud.
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Now, also imagine you're traveling places, okay?
You're going here, you're going there.
Those are the two aspects. The third aspect is this.
You can't speak you
don't have the physical attributes to talk
but you have thought you have
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projection you have energy now i want you to think for everybody that's listening
think about a time in your life where you were super excited about something
happy full of joy or scared or something happened to we felt crippling fear inside you.
All of those emotions you feel on the other side.
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And that emotion is an expression of energy which shows intent or thought or form of projection.
And that's how things are expressed.
So we think. I mean, you don't really know.
I mean, you have like two general natures of astral travel, which is the mystical
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model, and the mystical model, which includes a very large variety of belief
systems and astral maps.
Maps see now you're getting into astral maps like there's actual maps to the astral projection.
And they're tied together by their
core belief that astral travel of course
you know takes place on the outside of the physical body then you
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have the phasing model which was defined by
robert monroe i believe his name was yeah robert henry
and he yeah so the monroe institute right
is that the one you mentioned yep up in virginia okay right so
he was investigating the human consciousness holds the
belief that it is possible to actually do
physical uh astral projecting yeah now
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i'm going to give you something a little
bit more religion because it kind of it kind of ties in so ancient egyptian
teachings present the soul they believe that you do have the capacity to hover
outside your physical body and then you had a bunch of scholars scholars,
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now this is where it gets a little religious, but they have claimed that the
Bible contains mentions of astral projection.
Now I've always said, I've never read the Bible.
And again, I'm not religious because do I believe in a higher power?
Yes, but I'm not religious because of what I do. I don't, I don't see that I
can do both. I haven't figured it out yet.
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And, but when you say to the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost.
Some say, what, the Holy Spirit?
You're talking about ghosts. So now you got scholars that have claimed that
the Bible contains mentions of astral projection and how they do that is the
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final chapter of the book of,
let's see,
it's written by Solomon. Anyway, I can't really say the name.
And basically, it was cited in this respect.
This is the quote from the Bible, I guess. Before the silver cord be loosed
or the golden bowl be broken or the pitcher be shattered at the fountain or
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the wheel be broken at the cistern.
So basically, they mentioned the silver cord in the Bible.
I never knew that. Yep. Because I never read the Bible.
But so it's kind of it's kind of weird that you I mean, I don't know if you
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want to say weird, but it's kind of unique that, you know, you put your religious folks.
They always say, man, you're chasing demons, you're doing this,
you're you're whatever.
But yet when you when you read
the context of the exact
thing that they're reading and you try to
mention to them and you say hey it mentions everything
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that i'm telling you it mentions this in your book why why can't you did you
just not get to that part or what or did you not understand what the silver
cord was you're just thinking it's something tied to god and jesus which I can
dig that but when you got scholars.
Like diving in and then they say the silver cord well we just mentioned what the silver cord was so,
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it's there but it can be achievable by yoga I mean there's many ways to relax
yourself and your inner being and your mind to be able to astral project.
Got special you got individuals with special capabilities like shamans are said
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to travel to remote places and report things yeah which are unavailable to people
with normal abilities yep so that would be like they go and they astral project and come back and,
i don't know would you say that nostradamus was an astral projector,
nostradamus yeah i mean i just think
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well i mean collectively speaking all
the individuals in history that were able
to garner information or they would go in trances
or they would have dreams and have you
know angelic information passed to
them and all this stuff if you look at
it logically based off of the foundation of what
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we just discussed on this episode of astral
projecting or going someplace that you don't normally go getting information
it's from a higher level hence a higher consciousness you know that very well
may be the fact on some of those pivotal people within the timelines of history
and the and you know of of what's there.
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What's your what's your what's your what's your thought on scientology,
what do you what's what's what's the meaning of scientology i don't know much
about scientology i just know there's a few movie stars and a few well-known
people from tv that are into it and And I know it's a very closely guarded institution.
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And I think, like any organized theology.
Thought process that everything has its merits based upon the foundation of what it stands for,
but wholly and ultimately based upon the believers or followers that subscribe
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to that thought process.
I think that's where it gets its strength. I think that's where it gets its
strength from, ultimately.
Well, the reason I ask is because there's many 20th century publications on astral projections.
Although only a few authors remain widely cited, one being Robert Monroe.
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The other includes Oliver Fox. And then I'm going to probably butcher his name,
but it's Sylvan Muldoon.
Now, the Sylvan Muldoon, one of Sylvan's books, formed the basis of theories
of the Church of Scientology founder Hubbard.
So the founder was Hubbard of Scientology, right? Right. Yeah.
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So one of one of Muldoon's books formed the basis for the theories of the Church of Scientology.
That's why I asked you if you know anything about Scientology.
Yeah, that's why I mentioned it to you, because this book, this publication
on astral projection is the basis for the Church of Scientology. I did not know that.
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Now, imagine that. imagine that so interesting it goes on and on i mean we you
know you can always get into you know other artists swedish philosophers i mean
this has been studied for quite a long time,
and this is probably an this is probably an episode where we need to do a part
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two oh yeah there's just there's so much to the subject matter it just goes
on and on It goes on and on.
But it's, so I just, you know, it just, you know, it kind of floors me with
the research that I do on how this has been mentioned in the Bible.
And also the basis of Scientology was based off of astral projection in the spiritual realms.
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Maybe that's why a lot of people have a hard time agreeing to Scientology because
it deals with the astral plane.
In the different realms and stuff well
which a lot of that is a subject matter
that people don't talk about openly understand normally it's reserved for people
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that are in a metaphysical stuff or strictly part of that genre you know it's
not open theology that is part of a morally wildly accepted.
Thought process. I don't know. Here's what I got to say. Tom Cruise,
if you're listening, email us, bro.
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Now I want to know more about Scientology.
Before, I didn't really care about Scientology.
I knew Tom Cruise was in it and some other people were in it.
I'm a big fan of Cruise. I know a lot of people are.
Now I want to do research on Scientology because it's based off of the theories
and subscriptions written by a guy that wrote a book about astral projection.
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So now you got me intrigued about Scientology. There you go. There you go.
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8 on Astral Projection and Outer Body Experiences, that is going to be all the
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that being said how are you doing today dalton
doing pretty good my friend doing
pretty good you know just just strolling along
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with day-by-day life as as we always
do oh yeah but astral projection
huh we went from what we go from we
went from reincarnation to deja vu now we're going to astral projection correct
about that oh yeah how about that so well tell me we had a we had a we had an
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i mean uh i don't before we get started i want to recognize we did have an email from the
last podcast right yes we did so this person was basically asking about our opinion.
On the topic which we kind of i'm gonna
say we kind of if you listen to the podcast we kind of gave our
spiel about it they were talking
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about how they have memories of
a person that's close to them or something and and
and they they had like events with this
person and they were able to remember
them you know the all the events and stuff if
i recall that's what he was talking about and this
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basically i guess happened to them
and somebody else pretty pretty interesting statement
that he gave he was morally
talking about memories are not limited
to the person in their current existence he relies more on common like you know
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today i guess like uh he calls it a memory library which i can i could kind
of see that but he went on and he talked about his experiences.
And one thing he was doing, I think he was doing something with his grandma and then, you know.
An eggshell or something broke and then something happened
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similar to that and he said you know she kind of looked up like deja
vu and but anyway his main thing was or she it just they left the letter c in
a period so c thank you for the email and got a ps there it says how long does
deja vu last Last seconds, minutes, or just moments? Right.
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I'm going to say just moments. Like sometimes it's brief, you know,
and like I mentioned in the podcast, you really sometimes might not know it until you walk away.
What do you think, man? What do you think? How long do you think Deja Vu lasts?
I think Deja Vu lasts seconds to maybe about 10 seconds or so from my own personal
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experience that I've had thus far.
It, I think, is about eye of the beholder. And it all depends on the scenario
of what's going on and how cognizant you are of it.
So I think everybody has a different interpretation, a different awareness of it.
And ultimately, it just depends on how much you are keyed into it, of the scenario.
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And just to let you know, No, it was actually a female that wrote that in.
Oh, okay. And to recap, what it came down to is that the individual had an experience
in the kitchen that had to do with cooking and so forth, and an egg dropped,
and they were sold for age.
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Well, the same exact scenario literally happened in the same spot with a family
member that was older than them at their same age.
That the younger individual was same making
the same recipe same everything and so
the email oh that's right
one was the grandmother one was the mother yeah and
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so that's right and so ultimately what it came down
to is that potentially through bloodlines
and age and and so forth that maybe Maybe you are predetermined slash destined
to have certain events happen or repeated comparative to something that may
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have happened previously before.
But then the person went on
to just more or less say that events in
life may or may not be planned and there potentially could be a memory slash
recollection type system in place that could furnish thoughts and memories of
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things that have happened.
Maybe not this lifetime, but you're able to retrieve that and get hindsight
or a glimpse into things that have maybe happened in the past that may be associated
to you on a personal level.
And by past, I'm talking like not in your lifetime.
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There's no way you have this knowledge that you learned it, but yet you're able
to retrieve it and know things.
There's no other the way that you could have known. So it was kind of like she,
she mentioned reincarnated, which we, we mentioned in the podcast about being reincarnated.
And I also said that, you know, you're reincarnated, your, your energy and your
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soul just goes into another vessel.
So of course, whatever you picked up on your past life with your energy and your soul.
Yes. It's it, you're supposed to, like I mentioned before, you're supposed to forget.
You're not supposed to remember your past life, but, there
might be a break or a tear in the barriers now
that you know that's why you have these people you
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know these kids remembering stuff that they just shouldn't know
they couldn't know i mean it's not that they shouldn't
know it it's that they couldn't know it they're too young to know that and so
yeah so yeah you know i agree it's seconds seconds and minutes i mean it could
be moment that can be considered as moments but i but i agree man seconds like
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it it it's not Not something that lasts a long time. Right.
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So astral projection. Astral projection.
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That is the more metaphysical term of this subject matter versus out-of-body experience,
or potato-potato, outer-body experience.
It just depends on the way you're phrasing it. Well, you can also go scientifically
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and say which is separating the astral body from the physical vessel.
Physical vessel, of course, being your body and your astral body is like your energy form inside.
It's basically a profoundly spiritual endeavor that many ancient civilizations have known about.
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And modern day seekers are catching on to insights and like they say that one can gain this practice.
And I've heard about the books that try to teach you how to astral project.
I don't, I don't know. I mean, I'm an astral projector myself and I never,
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you know, it seems like you're dreaming when you do it at first,
when you're not truly understanding what you're actually doing.
Um, it kind of seems like you're having a dream, but when you realize,
like, like when I asked her project, like I can go around the house and then
see my family sleeping in their beds, you know?
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So, and it, to me, after a while of doing that, I was kind of like,
I would try different things.
And so like, if I went through a wall, I could feel my body tightening up.
Like I have, like, you can feel it, like the sensation of you squeezing through a wall.
Then I started to realize, I'm like, well, wait a minute. if i'm feeling this
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if i'm feeling like i'm going through an out like a like an object,
a solid object and i'm tensing up
even though even though my astral form has left my body my body i still feel
it and if i can see you know my family sleeping in their beds like go in the
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room and watch over them in the spiritual form but then when you come back and
you're looking at yourself,
like I've seen myself laying there.
And then I'm like, so after a while of doing that, I'm kind of like,
you know, I need to research this. Cause this is, this is kind of too real.
If you want to say it's kind of, but I've had some, some fun things with it.
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I mean, my ex used to get up and be like, Hey, who are you talking to? Or what are you doing?
You know? And one night, and she was not really a believer in the paranormal or anything.
And one night, she thought I was actually dead because I wasn't moving.
But I was projected. I was out of my body, and I was floating around doing whatever
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I was doing at that time, usually chasing other spirits out the house because
it's easier for me to see them in that form.
And I kept hearing her go, calling my name, saying, wake up, wake up.
You know and and i felt this uh i can't really explain it but it was just a weird feeling so i
when i came back to my body i came back so fast that she watched my body sink
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into the bed and i flipped out of the bed onto the floor and then i so i quickly
jumped up off the floor and i'm like hey why did you push me out of the bed
she's like uh-uh nope you better tell me what just
happened you know what i mean so i had to explain it to her you know my paranormal stuff and,
being an astral projector so it was kind of kind of kind of funny but kind of weird for her at first.
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But it comes in a, you know, it's very handy if you have, if you're able,
you got the capabilities to do it and you know how to, what you can do with that.
For instance, my daughter, she was seeing, she has abilities,
but a little bit different than mine. She actually sees them.
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And one of them played a trick on her and made themselves look like my oldest daughter.
And she followed her out of the room. half
asleep because we were remodeling our guest bathroom and they had to use our
master bathroom and of course i woke up open the door and there she is standing
i'm like what are you doing she's like well i'm waiting on sis to get out the
bathroom and i'm like she ain't in the bathroom i said you ever see the door
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open and she's like nope so i said go in there and do your thing and,
so when she went back to bed i asked her projected and you know was able to create a
kind of a barrier around the perimeter of the
house inside and uh and then
after that you know she didn't have any problems she's seen
them but you know they were the ones that were legit not
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ones trying to play tricks you know what i'm saying so oh i do so well what
about you man well i'll say this just to set the premise just to clear the air
because we know what we're talking about but i know some listeners are probably
scratching their head and go what in the world or you getting out.
So here's the short and sweet premise of astral projection or out-of-body experience.
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I want you to think of you being asleep and you know when you go to sleep, you get tired mentally.
You go to bed, you're knocked out, you're snoring.
You don't remember anything. You wake up and you feel refreshed. Okay.
Now that's the premise of sleeping.
Well, imagine where you go
to sleep but instead of you
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being asleep you are mentally awake like you've
had a hundred cups of coffee in your conscious
well that is the premise
of astral projection your body is physically asleep inert not moving and arresting
state consciously in your brain your mind on a energy level you are awake and
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then for all intents and purposes,
as it goes to theory, to personal experiences,
to researched experiences at different research centers and colleges and universities
and different religions and different places throughout time,
all throughout history and the world, you leave your body.
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And what I mean by that is, is imagined a carbon copy of your body that just
steps out of it like a ghost, like Casper, if anybody watched Casper the Ghost back in the day.
That's more or less how it is. There is a secondary version of you based on
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the principle of energy and conscious thought.
And so then you're able to go to different places.
It can be like, as Dalton was saying, you know, through the house.
It could be to a different location across the city, maybe across the state,
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or even across the world.
Hence, astral travel is what it is.
And some people would even dare call this remote viewing by being able to get
information and bringing it back to your physical body.
The levels of the way this is referred to sometimes will also be obe as i previously
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stated or out-of-body experience basically that could be a temporary type thing very limited very quick,
one of the the earmarks to this which
is interesting is i am
sure everybody's had this experience once in their life when they're sleeping
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and you know when you're dead asleep and then your whole body jolts and you
kind of shoot up sit up in the bed or you your whole body jolts and you wake
up all of a sudden well physiologically speaking from a medical sense,
that has to do with nerves it has to do with different dopamine levels in the brain,
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from when you're trying to sleep and your body's bouncing things out and you come to.
That's one perspective, medically speaking.
The other, for people that are more into metaphysical aspects and astral projection
and other things, some people will argue and say, well, that's your astral version
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coming back into your physical body.
So it's like, okay, I'm kind of a, the glass is half empty, half full type of
person. So I'd say that may be a possibility.
The other way to look at this is in various religions and cultures,
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there is a terminology that's called phasing.
And that means basically, again, leaving your body and to ascend a higher conscious
level of enlightenment and understanding.
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Celestial, eternal, or nirvanic body, it just depends on the.
Overall theology aspect of what you follow is going to dictate the way it's going to be described.
But ultimately, ultimately it just comes down to a higher level of consciousness.
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Some people medically will say it's due to psychiatric disorders,
brain dysfunctions, maybe foreign pharmaceutical agents in the body or altered psychological states.
I mean, it all depends which way you want to go to justify what it is.
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But the thing that I find very interesting between the research that I did on
this a long time ago, decades ago,
and watching firsthand accounts through documentaries and reading and so forth,
is the knowledge people were obtaining and getting and things people were automatically having.
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Was kind of startling because let's say, for instance, somebody lives in Spain
and they speak the native language.
They'd never been anywhere else their whole life.
And then out of nowhere, one day,
they start understanding Hangul, which
is the native language of the people
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of korea and start knowing
their culture start knowing things that only a
native person would know if they lived in the vicinity of certain areas of the
country and just to know that out of nowhere from just going to bed and waking
up you know you kind of have to say this is kind of interesting but unless they're
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possessed then And it's a whole nother chapter.
Well, yeah, that's a whole different podcast that we did previously called Possession.
Riveting, exciting episode that we did, me and Dalton.
Well, use the reference for Casper. I'll use the reference of Michael J.
Fox and the Frighteners.
For somebody that's ever seen
that. Where he had to go into to save his girlfriend, the new girlfriend.
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Who was a medic, she was a doctor and she actually pretty much put him almost
in like an induced death where the heart rate, the members, she put him in the
freezer, got his heart rate real low.
And then he asked her projected pretty much.
Well, if you want to call it astral projection or his spirit form came about.
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So that's kind of what to me, that's kind of the astral projection part.
And he had to turn into a ghost basically.
To fight a ghost and he
only had so much time to do it but anyway the astral
projection is kind of the same thing so what
i mean to me what it boils down to journey of self-discovery and it's actually
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if you want to call it it's a passport to unseen realms right now you can go
now you can go when When you do outside physical, when you're outside your physical body,
the astral plane is dimension of reality beyond our physical world, of course.
So basically, there's a couple of things.
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Like I've actually been in an area, Insidious, the movie Insidious is another,
that's actually about astral projection.
Projection and it was handed down to his son and he astral projected somewhere
that he wasn't supposed to be and he got trapped by a demon that was waiting
his time to take over the kid's body,
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and spoiler alert you know if anybody hadn't seen it but so basically i've been
i'm not going to go into the whole story of how i've been somewhere i just say
i've been somewhere i wasn't supposed to
be and it wasn't very comfortable i don't know how i got there normally i was
always like just inside the house or you know around the yard or you know whatever
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but i've had people tell me.
Some other paranormal investigators that also have a religious background behind them.
And they told me that basically without getting too politically religion,
but basically saying that astral projectors were created so that God,
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we're like the hand of God, basically.
So, and I'm not saying, I'm just saying this is what I was told.
So basically what happens
is if somebody's in a hospital and they're sick or they're they you know they
have a disease or something then god will take certain amount of astral projectors
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and bring them into the room to help heal that person he'll he uses the astral
projectors to actually Actually,
like each astral projector has some kind of, supposed to have some kind of ability.
I'm not going to say gift. I don't like the word gift. So I'm just going to
say ability to do something.
So he takes whatever's going on. He takes those certain ones,
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brings them into the room, and helps heal the person that's sick,
which you've heard of the miracles.
Obstacles, you know, one day there's a person laying there and they're,
you know, they're not understanding what's going on with that person.
They can't figure it out. And the next morning they wake up and the,
you know, the person sitting there eating breakfast, watching cartoons or something,
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and they're floored because they're like, what just happened?
Like yesterday, we couldn't figure out what was wrong with this person.
They were barely speaking, barely moving. Now they're eating breakfast,
moving around, talking about what's up.
You know, you've heard those stories right so the
whole thing is that's one take that
i put out in the pasture because i
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don't know if that's real or not i can't answer that
i've never personally remember ever
doing an astral projection you know
at a time that i've done it and and remembered being in a hospital room or or
anything now maybe i maybe i'm not supposed to remember that who knows but i
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don't recall any of that now the other part the perks there's there's perks of astral projection.
It's not just like a you know hey it's
a cool party trick you know do it again it's a
deep dive in your spiritual you know deep
in your spiritual self so personal enlightenment gain new perspectives or unearth
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buried emotions higher realm connect connectivity encounter higher states of
consciousness which you kind of mentioned or even spiritual entities and then self-discovery.
Uncover insights about your life's paths or your innermost self,
which is kind of like, wouldn't you say, kind of reaching for your chi?
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You could say that. Yeah, a higher level of enlightenment, which could be related
to chi, which is another name for energy, which people are used to.
In the metaphysical world, you're talking about your chakras and your power points and all of that.
Collectively, it's the same thing. But reference point wise and depending on
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what you're talking about could mean different things for subject matter.
Right. Well, I'm going with your your life's path and your when they say your
innermost self, usually when you're going for your inner self,
you're trying to, you know, to me, you're you're trying to grab your chi and
get your inner spirit going. on.
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You know, they, they talk about things.
I've never had to do a mental or physical prep. They talk about meditation,
relaxation, overcoming fear.
I've never had any of that. I just go to sleep.
I guess I'm, you know, you want to say that's part of the abilities that I've
had amongst the other stuff is just being able to go to sleep.
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And then whenever I feel like that, that I had to go, I don't even think I had a feeling of it.
I just did it, and it was at a time where I needed to do it, I guess.
And other times when I don't do it, it's not because I'm thinking of it or I
planned on it, like I'm going to go to bed.
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Now, that moment with my daughter where that entity was messing with my daughter,
I planned on it, like I'm going to go to sleep, and I'm going to get such a
deep sleep that I'm going to astral project and find out what's going on here
because I don't like tricksters. You know, I don't like,
you know, spirits playing tricks. So, but every other time, I can't say that
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I actually even thought about it. It just happened.
And like I said, in the beginning, I had to learn what it was.
So, but they also tell you that during your, your adventure,
they call it your astral adventure.
You know, stay, stay aware, keep a clear head to make the most of your journey,
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and make sure you have a safe return which is
which is i do know that you think of your physical body and
you'll zip right back into it once you think about it that's that's you know
how that works but i don't know man you know the scientific is there any kind
of we talked about it in the last podcast i believe where they were doing experiments
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on people trying to force induce Induce astral projection.
Oh, yeah. Yep. Yeah.
There's been multiple dudes of universities and institutions around the world
that have looked into this.
And if I am correct, even the CIA looked into this for various functionalities of potential use.
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There have been
individuals from the late 1800s all the way up to current time that have tried
to not only learn from previous individuals but also to try new methodologies for out-of-body.
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I briefly touched base on it in the last podcast episode, but there's a place
that is in Virginia called the Monroe Institute, named after Henry Monroe. Rowe.
And he was a big, big individual studying into astral projection slash OBEs.
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And he was looking at all the different ways that they could be induced from
traumatic brain injury, sensory deprivation, near-death experiences,
disassociative and psychological drug,
as far as it goes for methodologies, dehydration, sleep disorders,
and dreaming and electrical stimulation of the brain.
Those are just some of the ways they were able to induce this feeling of doing that.
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Then you have levels of psychologists and neuroscientists regarding OBEs as
dissociative experiments occurring along different psychological and neurological factors,
which have to do with the psychology of the brain and neurologically of the
way the brain is working and chemical makeups and things like that.
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I found it to be very interesting because this institute is literally still, to this day, utilizing,
practicing off their multitudes of decades of research, looking into all of
this, doing case studies and so forth.
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Sometimes you may hear the phrasing of lucid dreaming.
That's another another form of
this as it is you can
find out about parapsychology individuals
that are psychologists with a emphasis in
the paranormal that look at
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this as pretty much subtle body can attach itself from the body or the soul
as they call it but they're they're There's just tons and tons of organizations
that do research on this and universities and so forth.
Yeah, they say that your soul never completely disconnects from your body.
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They call it the silver cord. Right. It's a silver cord.
And a lot of this stuff, it can be seen throughout numerous traditions from
Hinduism, Buddhism, Christianity, to many other forms of traditions.
And the one thing that, I mean, everybody, they all, again, this is like doing the deja vu thing.
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You know, everybody starts out with the same saying, outer body experience.
And then it's when you really dive in, then you got people calling it a rare phenomenon.
It's been, you know, it's been, if it's been recorded throughout history with
different lores, basically on how to do it.
And then most recent accounts to this day, I mean, that's where you got to get
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into, you know, the thick of it, I guess, if you want to call it. Oh, yeah.
Now, one of the things that people initially when they get into OBEs or astral
projection, they, like we started off in the very beginning of this episode
talking about just traveling.
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Traveling, but it's much, much deeper than just traveling around and sightseeing.
From what is quote-unquote said that's out there you can go to different levels as they call it,
or realms realms yes of consciousness or enlightenment or understanding.
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Think of it as a building here physically maybe we're at level one you go to
sleep maybe that's level two the more you become conscious and aware the higher
the levels are and the higher of the the levels that you go,
the higher are the levels of things, people,
embodiments of some form of consciousness, energy, can be in those levels, bad or good.
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Just like we have bad or good in our world physically, well, there you go.
It's the other side. so that's that's
from the research that i've done reading dozens
of books and and watching documentaries
and so forth for i guess
you could say a better way of putting it this potentially
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hypothetically could be where the other side is
of of loved ones and
spirits and all that stuff of well again and you you could have a purpose you
know astral projectors could have now i'm not talking about the ones that read
the book and try to learn how to do it i'm talking about the natural like i'm
a natural so you could have some kind of purpose and there is a lot more than just.
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Visiting other realms and going to other places or or meeting entities but i
know that in my My research back in 2014,
there was a case study out of the University of Ottawa's School of Psychology.
I don't know if you ever heard of Ottawa School of Psychology. I've heard of Ottawa.
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Right. They got a school of psychology in which a woman said she could astral project.
So what they did was they put her again under a fMRI machine,
and she was basically stationary for about an hour.
Basically, she was in and out of astral projections.
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She was guided in and out, in which she was prompted to move her non-physical body in different ways.
Now, what these researchers did was they monitored the activity in different regions of her brain.
And throughout the exercise, they found that she did show activity that correlated
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with motion during the time she claimed to be astral projected.
So, basically, they were showing some kind of movement in the brain and the
energy inside of your body that, basically, she was probably laying there still sleeping,
but her brain was showing as though her body was moving, if that makes sense. No, it does.
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It was moving on a level, minuscule, like CNS, the central nervous system level,
but it wasn't happening hourly physically.
The impulses were there mentally, brain-wise. Right.
And then you got this Eben Alexander, who is a neurosurgeon.
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He also was on the subject of research on out-of-body experiences and astral projection.
And I believe it was 2007 or 2008, basically, an inexplicable brain infection
left him in a week-long coma, basically.
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And when he woke, he claims to have had profound memories of a journey into another realm.
Since then, he's dedicated his life to exploring the mysteries of the human consciousness.
Now, this is where near-death experience was not voluntary.
I don't know anybody who wants to volunteer to do a near-death experience,
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but that's what they said.
Nope, no thank you. I'll pass. I'll pass too so it did cause Alexander to think
astral projection was possible and he tells basically the MBG that he now uses,
binaural beats based on audio recordings to travel beyond the five senses and
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explore non-physical aspects of the consciousness now here's another thing so
we went from the things that you mentioned to,
hypnotism because in the movie Insidious, the way they got the father to,
because he forgot about it, astral projection.
And when you forget about it, you don't use it or whatever, I guess it goes away.
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So they had to hypnotize him to get him to relax to where he could astral project
and go find his kid in the other realm.
And so, you know, the hypnotizing. So this guy is using audio and And.
Recordings of audio to get into the astral form now to induce one of them right to induce it,
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because he had a near-death experience and he for about a week he was in a coma
and he swore that he went to other realms and did whatever now that could just be,
now see i i would have to say that you're you're pushing the fine line between
Between your actually ghostly spiritual form of dying came out or just your
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astral projection form came out. You know what I'm saying? Because he was in
a near-death experience.
So I would say there's a fine line there.
What exactly was going on there? so because
the problem when it comes to declaring astral projection real
or fake is that much of the information about it is pinning
down the human consciousness within the
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realm of modern science and they have proved it to be very difficult and potentially
impossible it's an impossible task now to me i know it's not an impossible task
and i know a bunch of other natural astral projectors And that's just their way of,
you know, to me, basically saying, in my opinion, again,
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my opinion, basically denying the fact that you can actually do it,
you know, look how long they've denied the paranormal or not denied it,
but just kept it under wraps, you know, ghosts, whatever, aliens, whatever.
Now, when I, when I, when I see people say stuff like that, that,
because, you know, it's not difficult.
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And the key word here is when they say this, the key word is potentially impossible,
potentially. They're not saying it's impossible.
They're saying it's potentially an impossible task.
So that tells you right there, they know what's going on and it's a real deal.
So it's nothing that – I'm not going to say –,
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There's no hesitation there to say that it's real. I know it's real.
But go ahead. You got something? Well, I was just going to say that.
I've said this many times in the past.
You know, from a scientific level and a Western and Eastern medical philosophy level,
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level anything that has to do with the paranormal is always going
to naturally try to debunk or prove false of whatever it is that's happening
because that's the narrative of science it's the have and have nots to being
able to say yes this is real or yes this is not real i think ultimately,
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just to go off your question there of you know how's this really play out i
think it's about eye of the beholder.
Everybody has different experiences. It's kind of like the game of telephone.
Everybody has intimate knowledge of whatever it is that's going on.
But by the time it's passed along, it gets misconstrued, it gets changed,
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it gets altered, or it gets to the point of people are naysayers because they
never heard the originality version of it.
So then they hear it when it's already been modified or changed so many times.
Yeah so and i mean i dig it i dig it you know it it's it's it's a thing that
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if you don't know anybody that's done it or you you you've never been around
it it's something it's something that you go what come on man i mean you know
ghost okay you know we're believing in ghosts today,
but now you're telling me that y'all can do outer body experiences and travel
to other realms well well, why not?
You know, it's part of the paranormal. It's the unexplained, right?
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So when you mention Western and Eastern civilizations, I will say that,
and I think her name was Roxanna? Yeah.
She completed her residency at the University of Virginia's Division of Perceptual Studies.
Imagine that. They have a perceptual studies class.
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So basically what she's saying is where Alexander's own near-death experience
was actually studied fundamentally.
Wow. Okay. The scientific community in this country. China.
Sometimes I have problems pronouncing, plus I'm kind of tired after driving 700 miles a day.
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But anyway, the scientific community in this country is very westernized,
very much based in what does the F say?
That's my air quotes. What does the evidence say?
And that can sometimes pull away our curiosity from things greater than ourselves.
And right there, before I move on to to the next thing.
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I'm going to say that's part of the problem is that people don't have the open
mind and want to go investigate.
What is that? Like, if you told me that...
Something was going on and blah, blah, blah. I can't even think of a scenario
right now, but just whatever. And I'm going to go see what it is.
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I'm not going to automatically just go, that's, that's phooey.
I don't believe it. You know, you're blowing smoke.
No, because I live outside the box. Everybody lives inside the box.
They, what I call inside the box, they're very close-minded and they got blinders on.
People that live outside the box, they want to know more they want to learn
more if you give them something to go look at
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they're going to go look at it and then and then we're going to go oh
yeah that is plooey that's a joke okay or wow
that's very real i didn't know that and so
this lady roxanne she adds
that there's there is no real way to
definitely to basically definitively measure
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astral projection or compare them to a
control group not to mention studying these things
requires someone with funding to have
interest and to the to that
end she was saying that most people don't know how to astral project so rounding
up solid sample size of research which basically what she's saying is getting
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people that are natural astral protectors to come forward and let them study
you you can't I agree with her on that.
You can't just grab somebody and go, hey, I want you to lay here and astral project.
But the thing is, again, is here's somebody that's saying that you have to have
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people that have the interest that want to fund research like that.
Now, didn't you say that clinic up there does research like that?
So, excuse me.
So there's, I don't know, man. It's like.
You can have people that can naturally do it, and all of a sudden you have people,
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psychics, mediums, whatever, people that astral project are writing books and
trying to teach people how to do it.
Now, my opinion, do I think teaching a person how to astral project is a good thing?
No. No, that's like that's like taking a person and saying, here's a flashlight
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and a K2 go into the Waverly Hills there in the most haunted sanitarium in the
country and go do a paranormal investigation.
Yeah, no, you just sent them into the worst place of danger that you possibly could. Good.
Now, why would you want to teach somebody to do it when you know very well that,
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yes, they're going to travel.
They might travel to other realms and it might be good for a little while.
But this person might also go like somewhere like I've been,
which ain't very comfortable and is not very good place to be.
You're not really supposed to be there.
Don't know how I got there. I wound up there one night sleeping,
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and it wasn't pretty, and I had to fight my way back out.
So I don't know, man.
It's kind of weird when they say, let's teach you how to do something that can endanger yourself.
Because, you know, if you ever watch Insidious, that kid, so he was actually
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taken by a demon and trapped.
So he was like in a coma, right? Right.
And he didn't know like he was a kid.
He was drawing pictures like he was. And the only reason I'm kind of going off
this movie is to let people know that, you know, here's a kid didn't know he
was drawing himself with a cape like he's Superman. He's flying through the air.
He thought it was fun until he got trapped by a demon.
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And then they didn't know what was wrong with him.
He just he was he was basically breathing, doing what everybody was in a coma.
And so if people you know to me it's just it's it's just forewarning like like
we warn people about the paranormal doing paranormal investigations you don't
know what place you're walking into you don't know what's going to follow you
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home you know astral projection is,
pretty much the same basis you don't know where you're going to go and you don't
know if you're going to get stuck are you going to make it back i mean yeah
you can think about your body and you're supposed to zip right back.
What if that doesn't happen?
Then what? You know, like I said, where I went, I went to a place I really wasn't
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supposed to be and I had to fight my way out of there to be able to get back to my body.
I'm not going to go into full detail of that, but it's kind of what I had to do.
I had, it was like almost a spiritual battle and I found my way back. And I think after that.
You know, my my astral projections have slowed down because,
yeah, I want to say, yeah, I was a little it was a little scary,
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you know, to go somewhere like that and know that I might not make it back to
my body to where I could wake up and hug my family.
But she says all these things.
And she also says that there tends to be a split between science and spirituality.
We all know that. We all know that there's a definite divide between what science
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thinks and what people that are spiritual and paranormal and all that think.
Now, I will say that even though science has stepped in a little bit more now
than before, I think they've been doing it all along.
I mean, heck, if Benjamin Franklin and all them back in the day were dabbling
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with the paranormal, scientists all this time had to be dabbling with the paranormal
and the unknown just to see. I mean, that's what scientists do.
They do things to see what the facts are.
But here she says, I don't think you can prove or disprove astral projection
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or out-of-body experiences.
So, again, she starts out with….
Kind of a hesitant but again winds up saying
i don't think you can prove or disprove it no i think but i think you can prove
it it's easy to prove i think it's it's it's easy to disprove if you have somebody
doesn't know what they're doing yeah would you agree to that no i fully do i
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think i think it comes down to education experience which i already leaned back onto previously.
And going from there it's like any thing that's
learned the more you do it the better you're at it the less
you do it the less you know the more not open
you are to what can and can't happen good or
bad to your own personal detriment unfortunately right
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it's just scientists are
going to always start out with
the this can't be real it's got
to be fake because i've never done so when
you astral project of course the mind leaves the physical body or your actual
energy leaves and it's free to roam around the astral plane we just mentioned
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that so the astral plane is the world where spiritual communication happens
on a very profound level and profound.
Meaning spiritual development comes far easy easier and faster than it does in a normal state
of mind now you can kind of almost say you
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know when you're younger you're open-minded so
you're more accepted to the paranormal when you're older we've
explained how you shut that down you don't think
about it you're not so open-minded about it so you don't really even though
i always say that everybody's had a paranormal experience you might just be
closed-minded to it because you're not a child no more you're not a you're not
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an open spirit basically right yeah and so so in the collective thought.
Of the realm of understanding. So then you go, you remember I mentioned the silver cord. Yeah.
So the silver cord has been described as being a smooth, very bright,
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very long, like an elastic cable made of light.
I don't know how somebody would know that, but obviously in astral form,
they might can see it. I've never seen nothing like that.
But basically in astral travel, I mentioned you remain attached to your physical body.
Is basically like an umbilical cord and oh
they you know in my research i'm looking
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through my notes right now it said that some travelers
in the in this world are able to see the silver cord
when astral projecting if the cord is broken
basically they're saying that
you are killed physically and astrally so here
again when people are teaching somebody to
astral project are they telling them this like if your cord gets
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broke you're basically gone i didn't
you know this is something that i'll be
honest with you i didn't know about a cord because i've never seen my cord it's
called the it's it's the reference of it in most circles of information on this
is called the etherical cord the etherical silver lining cord and it's nothing
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more than a a hypothetical in In theory,
an attachment line or cord that goes from your physical body to your etherical,
astral self.
And if it ever gets ruptured, snaps, breaks, disconnected...
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The negative connotation to what multitudes of individuals have said is,
for all intents and purposes,
you are no longer inhabitable or have a connection to your physical body,
and you are disassociated from it.
Right, which means you won't be able to return. Right. That's supposedly what it means.
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Right so here i am going well when
i astral project i don't see it what happened you
know that's i need to do further research to find out about
the people that don't see it what is that about
because if you got people that do see it then what
about the people that don't see it is it
there and we just ain't able to see it or is it
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is it like basically our mindset is
a little little bit not i don't know
if i want to say like higher we just
don't or we just ain't paying attention to it from my understanding it's
this in the physical world we live in right now you have conscious thought you
will your body to do things you will yourself to say things to move all these
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things it's a thought first it's energy then it becomes an action now people
have asked me when I've had these conversations before,
what is it like on the other side?
The best way is, is imagine you're thinking to yourself, okay?
You're not speaking, but you're just thinking to yourself out loud.
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Now, also imagine you're traveling places, okay?
You're going here, you're going there.
Those are the two aspects. The third aspect is this.
You can't speak you
don't have the physical attributes to talk
but you have thought you have
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projection you have energy now i want you to think for everybody that's listening
think about a time in your life where you were super excited about something
happy full of joy or scared or something happened to we felt crippling fear inside you.
All of those emotions you feel on the other side.
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And that emotion is an expression of energy which shows intent or thought or form of projection.
And that's how things are expressed.
So we think. I mean, you don't really know.
I mean, you have like two general natures of astral travel, which is the mystical
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model, and the mystical model, which includes a very large variety of belief
systems and astral maps.
Maps see now you're getting into astral maps like there's actual maps to the astral projection.
And they're tied together by their
core belief that astral travel of course
you know takes place on the outside of the physical body then you
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have the phasing model which was defined by
robert monroe i believe his name was yeah robert henry
and he yeah so the monroe institute right
is that the one you mentioned yep up in virginia okay right so
he was investigating the human consciousness holds the
belief that it is possible to actually do
physical uh astral projecting yeah now
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i'm going to give you something a little
bit more religion because it kind of it kind of ties in so ancient egyptian
teachings present the soul they believe that you do have the capacity to hover
outside your physical body and then you had a bunch of scholars scholars,
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now this is where it gets a little religious, but they have claimed that the
Bible contains mentions of astral projection.
Now I've always said, I've never read the Bible.
And again, I'm not religious because do I believe in a higher power?
Yes, but I'm not religious because of what I do. I don't, I don't see that I
can do both. I haven't figured it out yet.
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And, but when you say to the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost.
Some say, what, the Holy Spirit?
You're talking about ghosts. So now you got scholars that have claimed that
the Bible contains mentions of astral projection and how they do that is the
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final chapter of the book of,
let's see,
it's written by Solomon. Anyway, I can't really say the name.
And basically, it was cited in this respect.
This is the quote from the Bible, I guess. Before the silver cord be loosed
or the golden bowl be broken or the pitcher be shattered at the fountain or
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the wheel be broken at the cistern.
So basically, they mentioned the silver cord in the Bible.
I never knew that. Yep. Because I never read the Bible.
But so it's kind of it's kind of weird that you I mean, I don't know if you
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want to say weird, but it's kind of unique that, you know, you put your religious folks.
They always say, man, you're chasing demons, you're doing this,
you're you're whatever.
But yet when you when you read
the context of the exact
thing that they're reading and you try to
mention to them and you say hey it mentions everything
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that i'm telling you it mentions this in your book why why can't you did you
just not get to that part or what or did you not understand what the silver
cord was you're just thinking it's something tied to god and jesus which I can
dig that but when you got scholars.
Like diving in and then they say the silver cord well we just mentioned what the silver cord was so,
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it's there but it can be achievable by yoga I mean there's many ways to relax
yourself and your inner being and your mind to be able to astral project.
Got special you got individuals with special capabilities like shamans are said
(01:01:13):
to travel to remote places and report things yeah which are unavailable to people
with normal abilities yep so that would be like they go and they astral project and come back and,
i don't know would you say that nostradamus was an astral projector,
nostradamus yeah i mean i just think
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well i mean collectively speaking all
the individuals in history that were able
to garner information or they would go in trances
or they would have dreams and have you
know angelic information passed to
them and all this stuff if you look at
it logically based off of the foundation of what
(01:01:54):
we just discussed on this episode of astral
projecting or going someplace that you don't normally go getting information
it's from a higher level hence a higher consciousness you know that very well
may be the fact on some of those pivotal people within the timelines of history
and the and you know of of what's there.
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What's your what's your what's your what's your thought on scientology,
what do you what's what's what's the meaning of scientology i don't know much
about scientology i just know there's a few movie stars and a few well-known
people from tv that are into it and And I know it's a very closely guarded institution.
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And I think, like any organized theology.
Thought process that everything has its merits based upon the foundation of what it stands for,
but wholly and ultimately based upon the believers or followers that subscribe
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to that thought process.
I think that's where it gets its strength. I think that's where it gets its
strength from, ultimately.
Well, the reason I ask is because there's many 20th century publications on astral projections.
Although only a few authors remain widely cited, one being Robert Monroe.
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The other includes Oliver Fox. And then I'm going to probably butcher his name,
but it's Sylvan Muldoon.
Now, the Sylvan Muldoon, one of Sylvan's books, formed the basis of theories
of the Church of Scientology founder Hubbard.
So the founder was Hubbard of Scientology, right? Right. Yeah.
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So one of one of Muldoon's books formed the basis for the theories of the Church of Scientology.
That's why I asked you if you know anything about Scientology.
Yeah, that's why I mentioned it to you, because this book, this publication
on astral projection is the basis for the Church of Scientology. I did not know that.
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Now, imagine that. imagine that so interesting it goes on and on i mean we you
know you can always get into you know other artists swedish philosophers i mean
this has been studied for quite a long time,
and this is probably an this is probably an episode where we need to do a part
(01:04:35):
two oh yeah there's just there's so much to the subject matter it just goes
on and on It goes on and on.
But it's, so I just, you know, it just, you know, it kind of floors me with
the research that I do on how this has been mentioned in the Bible.
And also the basis of Scientology was based off of astral projection in the spiritual realms.
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Maybe that's why a lot of people have a hard time agreeing to Scientology because
it deals with the astral plane.
In the different realms and stuff well
which a lot of that is a subject matter
that people don't talk about openly understand normally it's reserved for people
(01:05:22):
that are in a metaphysical stuff or strictly part of that genre you know it's
not open theology that is part of a morally wildly accepted.
Thought process. I don't know. Here's what I got to say. Tom Cruise,
if you're listening, email us, bro.
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Now I want to know more about Scientology.
Before, I didn't really care about Scientology.
I knew Tom Cruise was in it and some other people were in it.
I'm a big fan of Cruise. I know a lot of people are.
Now I want to do research on Scientology because it's based off of the theories
and subscriptions written by a guy that wrote a book about astral projection.
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So now you got me intrigued about Scientology. There you go. There you go.
Well, as far as it goes with this episode of Season 2, Episode Podcast No.
8 on Astral Projection and Outer Body Experiences, that is going to be all the
time we have today for this episode.
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