UFOs, Skinwalkers and Underground Phenomena

Welcome to another riveting episode of "Theory Paranormal - Season 2". This episode guides listeners through a panorama of paranormal mysteries including UFOs, skinwalkers, and uncharted underground realms. Hosts, Pax and Dalton draw on years of research, lending a fascinating perspective on these puzzling phenomena.

Our engaging dialogue takes listeners on a journey of UFOs, their transformation to UAPs, and shared tales of alien encounters. We carve out an interesting nexus between Phoenix, Arizona and Egypt, furthering the fascination. Regardless of your level of involvement in the paranormal, this episode provides exhilarating entertainment along with much food for thought.

The discussion intensifies as we explore the relationship between UFO sightings and the world's unexplored waters, and unravel theories about the difficulty in obtaining clear photographic evidence of these phenomena. Could the inability to document be due to these manifestations tampering with technology? Or is it because sightings often occur near military bases and large bodies of water?

We also dive deep into the topic of the rapidly depleting Euphrates river, and the emergence of huge, submerged underground caverns. Could these structures have been the abode of extraterrestrial beings? Finally, we tap into theories about 'Hidden Earth' and undiscovered biomes, nudging listeners to ponder the secrets of our world.

Furthermore, we delve into the mysterious world of skinwalkers rooted in Native American folklore. Through detailed accounts of their feared abilities and unsettling tales from the infamous Skinwalker Ranch, we take listeners on a suspenseful journey. This episode leaves an indelible impact not just on paranormal enthusiasts but on anyone intrigued by the enigmatic realm of the unexplained.

Get ready to examine popular sci-fi films like Star Wars, Battlestar Galactica, and Lost in Space, and consider the possibility that they may be subtly preparing us to interact with alien life. We also share exciting theories of alien abduction and the credible findings from renowned reports like Project Blue Book and the Condon Report.

This episode promises an immersive exploration into the world of UFOs, skinwalkers, and underground phenomena like never before. Encouraging open-mindedness and a fresh perspective, we challenge common beliefs and urge listeners to view the inexplicable with a broader lens.

Episode note: This description may contain minor spoilers. For an unspoiled experience, listen to the episode firsthand.

Episode Transcript

(00:00):
Theory Paranormal. Welcome to Theory Paranormal, episode two, season two.
This particular episode, we're going to be talking about skinwalkers,
and also we're going to be talking about UFOs or UAPs, depending on which one

(00:22):
that you want to go for for the title,
seeing how there's been an official name change that's happened.
Both of these things have been encountered all around the world,
and me and Dalton decided that we were going to jump into this subject and impart
some wisdom and give out some good details and talk about it for a bit. I'm your host, Pax.

(00:45):
If you haven't listened to Theory of Paranormal before, welcome.
And if you're a returning listener, we appreciate you following back up with
us and hope you enjoy this podcast.
So Dalton, how has life been?
Well, I don't know, man. It's just same old stuff for me. What about you?

(01:07):
It's staying busy, staying busy, the usual, but spend a lot of time. Usual suspects.
Yep, yep, usual suspects. Spend a lot of time doing a little bit of research
on a little bit of Skinwalker stuff.
I have some background a little bit with UFO stuff, UAP stuff,
but the Skinwalker stuff wasn't really my forte.

(01:29):
I know of it and heard some stories and stuff, but I really wanted to dig in
and see really what that was really about more so and discover some pretty cool things.
Well, the Skinwalker thing is something that I don't root offhand.
I don't remember if it was my buddy Gary or my niece out of Tennessee there,

(01:52):
but they were asking what was our next episode. And I said, well,
we're going to do some stuff on UFOs and aliens and stuff like that.
And they pretty much said, well, you should do skinwalkers.
And I said, well, I know this, you know, you know, the series, the TV show is out. Yeah.
Never seen it. I've never, never seen it.

(02:13):
I mean, I think I tried to watch one episode where they're standing out there
in the desert by a mountain and they're waiting.
They're waiting for some kind of light to come in or something.
But I couldn't get into it, so I never did watch it. So you know as much as I do.
Gotcha. Definitely understand that.

(02:35):
So tell me this before we jump into it.
What subject do you have a bigger interest in?
Is it the UFOs, UAPs, or skinwalkers? And why?
I would say the UFO is because I was actually present in 19. Let's see. Was it 97?

(02:55):
I think it was or 98. I think it was 97 because I was driving for US Express
at that time. So it had to be 97.
I took a load out to Arizona and I was actually present for the UFO that was
hanging over Phoenix for like eight hours or something like eight to 10 hours.

(03:15):
It was hanging over Phoenix, Arizona there.
Maybe they had a to-go order that wasn't ready and they were just waiting through the drive-thru.
Well, you know, nowadays fast food is not fast. No, it's not.
So, you know, that's pretty interesting that you say that.
For me, I'm actually kind of conflicted.

(03:37):
I have a really big interest in UFOs, which as individuals that have followed
up with it from the late 50s going forward until recently, do you know what UFOs stand for?
Yeah, unidentified flying objects. Exactly. Now, do you know that certain entities

(04:01):
in certain places officially have officially changed the acronym of UFO to UAP?
Do you know what that stands for now?
I do not. It stands for Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon.
So it is no longer just an item that is flying, but it is now coined as something

(04:26):
that is happening in the environment that can't be described.
Well, what's just paranormal? normal
i mean you know that's why we're talking about this because
basically anything unexplained is
paranormal activity so it could be ufos it
could be skunk apes you know bigfoot

(04:47):
aliens could be well normal
our normal deal what we normally do you know ghosts and spirits and stuff so
anything unexplained is in the paranormal realm also just to let you know why
i was thinking about The other way to describe UAP, okay,

(05:08):
also stands for Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena,
depending upon which organization that you are quoting their textbook from for
reference, just to give you a heads up there, Dalton.
Well, that, and that, to me...

(05:29):
Potato, potato. When you, when you, yeah, well, tomato, tomato, anything close there.
I mean, you're talking aerial, which sounds more legit than anomalous, I guess.
But I mean, what's the different, what's the definition of anomalous,
you know, compared to aerial?
That would be the question at hand on how you would handle saying,

(05:51):
man, I don't know. Who said anomalous?
It depends on the entity that is referencing it.
It looks like there is multiple ways to refer to this new definition,
which goes with different guidelines for organizations.
Well, and see, anomalous, I just looked it up. deviating from what is standard,

(06:16):
normal, or expected. Yeah.
Okay, so how does that, I mean, let's look at that.
So that means Dalton is a UAP then because, you know, you're not standard nor what's expected.
No, I'm not. Well, we're paranormal investigators. We're not normal, so.

(06:37):
But that's my theory. I'm just saying that, you know, they're using the word anomalous.
And when you look up the definition of anomalous, you know, you're deviating
from what is standard, normal or expected.
So how does that tie into unidentified aerial phenomena, which is what you're

(06:58):
dealing with when you're dealing with a UFO or a UAP?
Right. It's an aerial phenomenon. It's an unexplained flying object.
It's it's or a light. It could be a light or it could be. Well,
I think that's, I mean, I think you kind of hit it right on the head there.
As some individuals may be aware, other people may not.

(07:19):
Certain entities that are nationally recognized throughout the world have started
opening up the coffers and disclosing.
History that's been sealed away for
decades of things related to
the ufos and also with
that text documentation and also

(07:43):
video or photos have started
to been trickled out and released different things so it's
giving no longer the perception of
hey maybe it's just an item them you know
or an object sometimes there's from
what it appears things that are at play that are

(08:05):
happening that have been recorded or documented that
aren't necessarily maybe a solid object so that's i think also why they updated
the terminology saying it's maybe no longer just a a flying object because if
it doesn't look dense or it looks transparent or translucent.

(08:28):
Then, Hey, maybe that's something completely different altogether.
I don't know. I'm still going to go with the aerial phenomenon because,
and pardon me while I keep clearing my throat.
Sometimes I haven't been, I've been a little bit under the weather congested and stuff.
So I might even sound like I'm talking to a tube or something,

(08:49):
But I'll go with the aerial phenomenon. It sounds a lot better to me than the anomalous.
When I when I read the definition of anomalous, that makes no sense to me at
all. But that's just my opinion. Right. So, you know.
But, yeah, you know, it's Phoenix was interesting.
The interesting it was it was kind of weird because the thing that happened

(09:13):
was we rolled out to Phoenix. And of course you, you look over the top of Phoenix
and there's this, you didn't even really know it was an object.
You just seen these lights and they call, and they're called,
they call it the Phoenix lights or the lights over Phoenix, whatever one you want to use.
But the thing was, was we delivered a load early morning.

(09:35):
I think it was like four 35 o'clock in the morning, the next morning.
And these lights were just stationary and they were V-shaped.
They were kind of V-shaped.
And of course, you know, they all fell, it fell back to the,
it was weather balloons or, you know, something like that, which,
you know, when you look at a weather balloon, they flicker, they do things.

(09:56):
These are just followed from what I, from what I recall from this.
This was this was just a z-shaped solid
lights like a bunch of lights and it happened
like mid midnight like not midnight
but like mid evening okay so like somewhere you know eight o'clock till one
or two o'clock in the morning or or something before midnight or something like

(10:20):
that anyway so but here here's the interesting part that made me really think about how legit this is.
Because the next morning we went to go deliver our load in, like I said,
4.30, 5 o'clock in the morning.
And there was a convenience store on the corner. And I was, for some reason,

(10:40):
I normally don't do this in a rig, but for some reason I'm sitting there and I'm like, I'm thirsty.
I'll stop here and grab a drink because you never know how long it's going to
take them to unload your truck.
And sometimes we're sitting out there and we don't have stuff to drink or anything.
Thing so i stopped at this convenience store and i went inside to get to grab some water,

(11:00):
and i was walking up to the register and there was a usa today
paper sitting there on the
front page of this paper was a picture of this object floating over phoenix
right and i thought to myself you know the the other driver that was with me
he's like come on man we got to go we're gonna we're gonna be late getting there
you know we're only like 10 minutes

(11:21):
down the road but we're We're pushing for time to be there on time.
And I said, well, I didn't think much about it.
Being in the paranormal field, I should have thought about it,
but I didn't think much about it. And I said, well, I'll just grab one on the way out.
When I get done getting unloaded, I'll stop back by here and I'll grab one of
those USA Today's and read whatever was printed for that.

(11:48):
And so we got unloaded and it
was only like three hours later if that
we come rolling back by and i said well let
me stop i'm gonna stop and grab something another water but i'm gonna go in
there and grab that paper and he's like okay he waited on me so i went in there
and lo and behold every single paper was gone what the whole yeah the whole

(12:12):
stand was empty so i'm sitting there and And I'm like,
there's no way that there was that many people that rolled.
There was probably a hundred and something copies of USA Today or whatever sitting
in the stand. It all gone.
So I look at, I look at the cashier and I go, Hey, you know,
what happened to those USA Today papers?

(12:33):
And they said, you know, I don't know. They said a couple of guys rolled up
here in a, in a blacked out car, came in here, flashed a badge or something,
and then said, we're, we're confiscating all these papers. and they took every last,
USA Today paper out of the stand and threw it in the back of their car and,
you know, hauled butt out of there.

(12:55):
Now, some people would be like, what did you just say?
But me, I'm looking at him like I smiled and I just go, OK, well, then that was legit.
That UFO flying over to Phoenix was a legit thing.
Dang, if a few hours after they put this paper out that somebody in a blacked-out

(13:15):
car flashes a badge, I said, you didn't pay attention to what kind of badge it was?
And he's like, nope. He said they were in suits.
They flashed a badge and said they're taking all those papers.
And I was like, whatever, dude.
That's interesting. They took all the papers. That is interesting.
Yep. 1997, man.

(13:37):
That was the year. So, yeah, I lean a little bit more towards the UFOs,
which is a good thing because, you know, I've always dealt with spirits and
we've talked about the ghost side of the thing. You know what I'm saying?
Yeah. And I've always had an interest in UFOs because we can't be the only ones
in this big old universe by ourselves.

(13:58):
I mean, and then you look at like you look at like Egypt and the pyramids and
how they were perfectly built pyramids.
I mean maybe there was a guy that was smart enough back then I mean like I like I mentioned before,
about the grave robber that robbed the
graves and then he found these stones that had etchings of like people

(14:19):
looking through a telescope and people doing open heart surgery and this stuff
was rated like you know in AD the rocks were rated from AD times so it's it's
it I guess what it did was it It sealed the deal on me for UFOs,
you know, looking at that because, oh, and another thing,

(14:42):
there's a lot of, once I started researching UFOs and I started getting into
it, I found out, first of all, that there's a lot of activity around Phoenix itself.
And, but here's an interesting thing. And I've only done it once.
And if you take your finger on a flat map basically and you basically put your

(15:05):
finger in the middle of Phoenix, Arizona and go straight up in the sky and come
straight back down to the other side of the world it lands right in the middle of Egypt,
so imagine that weird? yes.
That's interesting. It is. I mean, you know, you know, you could have a lot
of phenomenon going on over there.
So for it to line up that way is kind of, you know, the only thing I need to

(15:30):
do is figure out what constellation, like you go straight up to the sky and
you come back down. What constellation is right there?
That's an idea. I just thought about that. Well, it also depends on what time
of the month it is and where the earth is in rotation to everything else and all that stuff.

(15:51):
Time of day. It's just true. It's just true.
But being that, you know, a guy, a guy took, you know, took because things move, things shift.
Yep. The earth in the earth. And I think it was the North Pole or Antarctica
or something has moved like five times.
It's been in five different places. places so there's a

(16:13):
guy that you know pretty much spent his life researching how many
different times that the north pole and the north arctic or whatever has moved
and it's been in five different locations so possibility that the way the earth
shift and everything but anyway we're getting into another subject here but
it's uh but yeah phoenix lights i think just kind of That sealed the deal for me on UFOs,

(16:36):
and especially after somebody came and confiscated all the USC Today papers,
and I couldn't buy one. Just imagine if I bought one, dude.
It would have been cool to be like maybe one out of, what, a couple people that
might have been able to have one?
Yeah. That would have been ridiculous. You know, you speak of that experience.

(16:58):
I actually have one myself.
I was, let's see, I was in a foreign country.
And I was sitting on a balcony a few stories up one night.
It was a cold night in the wintertime over looking over a bunch of fields.

(17:20):
And I look up and I see these three dots that are look like following each other,
you know, spaced out perfectly.
I'm like, okay, I'm thinking their plans. And then at the last second before
I turned my eyes away, it was a clear night.

(17:43):
It wasn't cloudy also. It wasn't rainy. It wasn't fog or anything like that.
Probably about two in the morning. Then I
see the three lights completely all break
formation and go at all of these crazy angles that no flying object that I could

(18:04):
consciously think of could do geometry wise out of nowhere, you know.
Know and then it was
almost like they were trying to chase each
other and then they went right back in to just going in the same direction that
they were heading originally but it was it wasn't like over time where it was

(18:29):
like oh maybe they're planes and they're you know flying after each other and
then they're just going back in formation it was so sporadic i mean we're talking like Like,
you look up, you see the lines of dots,
and then they just all go after each other.
I mean, it's kind of like if you look at one of those snow globes where everything's

(18:52):
nice and calm, and then you shake it up and everything's all all over the place,
crazy inside. Well, that's exactly what the lights were.
And then, next thing I know, that's how it was.
So, it was pretty interesting. It's interesting.
It's always interesting. And, you know, the one thing I can't figure out,
man, is why in today's technology and today's technology.

(19:16):
I mean, I can take my phone and zoom in across the road and pick up a street
sign clear as day and take a picture of it.
Well, and why the heck can't anybody get a clear photo? Is it like now?
And I understand, OK, you're dealing with a UFO now.
Do they realize they're being filmed and they're throwing out some kind of,
you know, force field or something that's you know causing the picture to be

(19:39):
blurry or what what's your thoughts on that well the thing is here's the interesting
thing if you think about it logically over time okay throughout millennias and
decades and and so forth and eras of history.
There's always been some documented proof of somebody saying hey i saw this

(20:01):
in the sky And as times change and technology changes,
things become reported differently, documented differently.
And as the technology age has really started coming around since the late 30s,
early 40s going forward,
with real technology minus the camera or photography in the late 1800s going forward,

(20:29):
that's really when you could document things and get a still photo or video,
first black and white and then color.
And now it's to the point to where anybody could pull out a cell phone and try
to get a video with whatever they see the thing is is nine times out of ten

(20:51):
when you are sitting there.
And you're going ahead and you see something you are going to try and document
it but the problem The problem is, is your phone is not going to be able to handle it at all.

(21:11):
And because of that, you know, your eye can perceive it fine.
But when you go ahead and try to look back at whatever the item is,
like you're saying, why can't people just get a clear item of it?
Then that's when it's like, wow, this looks like junk.
That's just. Most of the time it does. That's how it is. You know,

(21:33):
cell phones and stuff like that, they're only good for 5 feet,
10 feet, maybe 30 feet max.
No, but that's what I'm saying, though. No, that's what I'm saying,
though, is like these new phones, you can like from here –.
100 yards away 200 yards away i can i can

(21:53):
zoom in and see a street
sign as plain as day it's clear take a picture of it
boom looks like i was standing on top of it yep exactly but
that's with you being close to you well yeah i
mean i understand they're in the sky and stuff i'm just it just
seems it's like bigfoot man what irritates me
is we know that there's a bigfoot we know that their skunk apes

(22:15):
and every picture is blurry it's like come
on man somebody has to have a clear picture of
what they're catching i mean if i can take a clear picture
of a deer running across the field or you know
something standing there and why why is it that when a
bigfoot shows up or an alien you know
ufo or something shows up it's blurry it's like

(22:36):
come on i mean because that's that's what people do man
because they're already sort of skeptic about stuff and so
when it's a blurry picture they're like come on man really like
we're supposed to figure out what that is right but you see here's the
thing though to that depending on what is
showing this is going to also speak leaps and volumes of what it's trying to

(23:00):
attest to or really show if it's something that's in the entertainment industry
and they're showing this nine times out of ten it's to get viewers it's It's
to get people to come back.
It's the cliffhangers. It's to get people to say, well, I almost saw what they
were talking about, but I have to watch the next episode. It's a hook.

(23:21):
No, I dig that. I dig that. But when you watch live footage,
like I'm talking actual footage.
Like if you go and do and like say, because some of the shows,
I dig what you're saying there.
And I don't mean to cut you off like that, but I don't want to get too far off.
But what i'm trying to say is is like some
of the shows do pull like footage that somebody took like here's a footage of

(23:42):
joe blow doing this and that right so and he captures an unidentified flying
object everything else around is clear but that object he showed he tries to
show it and it's It's blurry.
And it's like, come on, dude, you know, but I mean, it's believe me when I say

(24:03):
I experienced it firsthand and I've experienced it being out here on the road.
I've experienced some phenomena several times in the sky. You know what I'm
saying? It's not it's not like it's something that.
New so i do believe in it i'm not trying to knock
it i'm just saying maybe i should go try
to get a clear picture of it that's that's what should happen well

(24:25):
it's well the the problem that
nine times out of ten is people don't notice
things during the daytime unless it's over a magic epic center
that's like over a town or something that's blatantly obvious
people are only going to see things of
that nature being a UAP UFO at nighttime
when it stands out or dusk when the

(24:49):
contrast is there when your eye can pick up something doesn't
look like everything else you know when the
sky is kind of orange and hazy or or you know
the purples or reds or depending on how ever the lights you know going with
everything and how it looks with the sunset people aren't normally going to

(25:10):
just say oh look there's a ufo it has to stand out somehow and i find that interesting.
That you know for for uip ufo
sightings i'm always curious is it
more prevalent and in sparsely populated
locations like out in the middle of nowhere

(25:30):
in the country or is it
going to be more so on the coasts is it going
to be next to surrounding you know big epic center cities you know or towns
is well from research is there a running theme there that kind of gives credence
to it what do you think well from from research that i've done a lot of of it's

(25:54):
around our military bases. Yeah.
And also bodies of water.
Bodies of water. So there, yeah, there's been proof. There's been sightings where,
Some unidentified objects coming out of lakes, like flying out of a lake at a high rate of speed.

(26:15):
And even the ocean, the Navy has picked up stuff coming out of the ocean,
like they pick stuff up on sonar or whatever.
And next thing you know, this object that comes flying out of the ocean is gone
in the sky in like seconds.
So the the the research that i've done on some of that they are thinking that a lot of these,

(26:39):
alien ships are using bodies of water to
hide their vessels and every now
and then you catch one leaving that's interesting
i mean i don't remember the percentage offhand but
when you look at the land mass ratio to the to the weight
or not weight but to the to the water mass obviously water's going to win for

(27:01):
the you know i think it's like 83 or 87 percent or something like that offhand
um is what i'm guessing of course i'm probably wrong i'm probably gonna get
emails and messages now saying hey you're wrong backs but well just it.
That's just just under i mean you
you know go take a look at the doomsday

(27:22):
map and that'll show you how much water is going to cover the country
but anyway it's you know it's you're you're
right though the it's it's a huge percentage of water
that it in on the earth so you you
look at there's there well some of
the water is actually dissipating in some areas but there's
there's an area i forget the name of this river

(27:44):
that's over there by one of the one
of the religious countries anyway it's the river is fading
it's like depleting and now
that it's depleting there's all these caverns and underground
tunnels and caves and stuff that are coming to light
because the water it was all underwater and the
reports are that there's weird sounds and noises coming from deep inside the

(28:09):
caves they don't know what it is but there's another theory to it i'm not going
to get into it but okay but anyway when you when you think about that area that river,
depleting and you're finding these underground towns and caves i don't want
to say towns but like caverns and and just like i'm and i'm talking big enough you can drive,

(28:36):
you know you could stack four or five tractor trailers on them and drive right
through there you know what i mean that's how tall they are they're wide they're huge.
But anyway, when you think about that, underwater, that stuff was underwater.
Was that their hiding places, those caverns and caves, while the water was –

(28:56):
well, you couldn't see it from above because the river, that body of water was covering them.
Now that it's depleted, these things come to light. Was that where they were hiding?
Right. I see what you're saying.
Right. Right. So when you, when you go around, so my whole point of that is
like, when you go around and you see,

(29:17):
you know, like places where water has receded or gone away and you see a tunnel
or a cave or a cavern of some sort, and it's humongous, like huge.
And you begin to wonder what was there,
who, who that was that, you know,
expansive big and cavernous inside i see

(29:39):
what you're saying because you know for it to be underwater it's
one thing if you know there's a crevice you know
where it drops down lower or if there's splits you know the volcanic comes up
through or you know you got the different streams that are going underneath
the water depending on where it is located in the ocean to degrade the bottom,

(30:03):
and to smooth out the rocks and all that.
But when you have, like you're saying, big, blatant caves that just don't make
sense, then it's like, how did this happen?
And is it natural? And if you ever want to, and I've located it just so you know.

(30:25):
I went ahead and looked it up because it was bothering me why I couldn't figure
it, Well, I couldn't remember the name. It's a very easy name.
Don't know why I forgot it, but the Euphrates River.
So if you if people were not going to get into that, but if anybody wants to
go research it or go look at it, they have pictures of these caverns that was

(30:47):
under the Euphrates River. Now, you look at the river.
It's not that wide in some areas. So for these caverns to be like huge,
I mean, they're enormous.
Enormous and the mysterious part of basically
the river you know i guess

(31:08):
evaporating if you want to say it's it's it's going away
it was a mighty it was once a mighty and life-sustaining waterway is now drying
up oh yeah at an alarming rate yeah well everything over and and for the most
part the majority of earth except for the major landmass which used to be all
the continents And it's put together until they broke off.

(31:31):
Everything was connected in theory.
And, you know, everything did what it's did. did so basically
you are putting your
hat in the ring to say you think
that the oceans of the world can potentially house life forms or entities or

(31:56):
things that aren't from this planet that utilize the water as a way to hide their ships,
their UFOs, UAPs, to place them so they're not so obvious and apparent to the
civilizations that we have around the world.

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Yeah, I do believe that because think of how much of the ocean we have not discovered yet.
I mean, they're talking now that, you know, not to get into prehistoric stuff,
but they're talking now like they think there's a megalogon running around.
You know, they find these huge sharks, 13, 15 foot long, just bitten in half.
And it has to be something bigger than them to bite them.

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So if you're trying to imagine, and the reason I bring that up is just think about it.
If you're trying to imagine that a megalogon has come out of the depths of the
ocean, then what else have we figured out that's going to come out of the depths of the ocean?
I like that theory though, because then you're talking about sub,
you know, sub classifications of the hidden earth theory, if you, if you will,

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where there's, you know, so many layers below what we've discovered and drilled
that there could be a whole nother biome maybe of animals or people who knows,
you know, but that's, that's, that's way off topic.
But it is it is way off topic but
but you got to think about it because when you say ufos

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in the ocean or ufos in the lake now
think about when i say that a uf they have filmed ufos coming out of a lake
what if that lake is like if it dries up winds up being like the euphrates there's
a bunch of big caverns and stuff underneath that lake i mean it's it's it's
very possible you never know No, I mean, I,

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I think UFOs and UAPs, I think they're there.
Do I think in our lifetimes we will ever get a straight answer from anybody
that maybe knows more than the average person?
No, not at all. No, we'll never.
No. No, because it would, it would put the fear in people.

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Here's the thing, though. Movies are such a tell-tale-tale.
I might be, I don't know, do you want to say a conspiracist?
A lot of movies, if certain areas of a movie can predict something,
but if people keep watching movies like Star Wars or watch Aliens,

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you know these creatures come down and.
Eat people or whatever or predator or any kind
of any kind of sci-fi space movie.
Right okay i mean you remember back in
the day man we had buck rogers and battlestar
galactica man which was cool i used to watch that
as a kid so but um so you're talking about movies that

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aren't like campy bc class
movies but you're talking about things being movies
that have a air of plausibility
or feasibility to them that
make you think well maybe this could
be like this in a way well not

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will not make you think but also what it
does is it prepares your mind so like
let's say let's say you know
let's say ghost ghost hunters you know
they came out and the first part they were
trying to do is they were trying to debunk the paranormal they
had to ease their way in to letting people know that

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you know there is spirits there's another realms and
there's ghosts and shadow people and all that right yeah to
slow walk it well for society right so
think of think of star wars
way before it's time great great great
series way before it's time battle start
galactica you know buck rogers all

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this heck what was the one with the robot the family had the robot and the kid
it's always like it's it's evading danger danger yeah yeah you know it always.
You know that's what i'm talking about it's like danger danger will rogers or.
Something you know will run he always it was like the kids will Will Rogers,
yeah, he talked to the kid.
But anyway, so to get to the point, what I'm saying is if you keep watching

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that, you're not really thinking, okay, does this stuff really exist?
You're watching the show because it's a cool show, and it's really before it's
time. It's something different. You're watching it. But what it's doing is it's preparing your mind.
Well, yeah, it's expanding the horizons to not say this is real,
but just to give the air of caution to say, hey, yes, it's a story.

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Yes, it's entertainment.
But no, but that way. So let's say so let me just get to the point here.
You're walking down the street and a UFO flies by.
Are you going to run and hide and get scared?
No, because you've already seen stuff like that on TV. It's already prepared your mind to look at it.
So you're comfortable with it. So you're just going to be like,

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oh, look at that. And you're going to stand there and film it. Until it vaporizes you.
Yeah. Yes. And until you get into, you know, what is it, Independence Day where
you're standing on a building and it just, you know, drops a bomb on you.
But anyway, but that's what I'm saying is a lot of movies prepare you for stuff.
Stuff and and that way

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when you see it like you done seen it on the big screen
or you seen it on your tv so much that when you see it
in real life it does not surprise you basically like you've seen it so your
mind is already prepared for it now that makes sense so so now so that's my
belief on now why the government can come out and say okay we're now everybody's

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kind of questioning questioning, blah, blah, blah.
Let's shut them up and just feed them a little bit of crap or whatever to soothe
their mind, which their reports, to me, nobody was shocked.
Like, nobody went, oh, my God, they're talking about alien life form.
No, everybody sat there and watched it on TV. Why? Because they were already

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prepared for it. Well, it's been something. They've been watching space movies.
Yeah, you're right. but it's also been something that's literally been in play
now for about 85 years like.
Well within our society ever
since everything happened with roswell and all that
stuff and i mean there's a million different ways to go with

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that but i won't get into all that right now but
it's just i completely see what you're saying though
yeah so the long story short is
a lot of movies prepare you for what you're about to see and then
when you do see it you're not so excited you're
not really like overly like oh
my god i gotta go to the store i'm gonna i'm gonna buy all the stuff

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off the shelves and i'm gonna you're you're desensitized you're more psychologically
and emotionally calm and accepting of the details versus being hyper vigilant
and hyper alert to to the situation at hand.
So with all that being said on the UFOs,

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What's your thought process on skinwalkers? Oh, we're done talking about UFOs.
There's so much to talk about.
We could keep going on and on and make it a 12-part mini podcast series.
Do you know all the different shapes of UFOs? Right.

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So out of let's let's say you've had egg shapes, cigar shapes,
rectangles, diamonds, bits, fireballs, other meaning like anything other than
that, triangles changing ones that change shape.
And then guess guess what the other one is.

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Cigar shape orbs orbs. orbs no
i already said cigar shape i already said cigar shape so orbs
so out of out of orbs triangle other
fireball diamonds rectangles changing
cigar egg and discs which one has been
seen the most or you're exactly
right so this is just a rough guesstimate i

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don't go by any kind of charts that i've researched
or anything is being legit because especially the
age if the if the charts like 10 years old obviously those numbers
have grown so orbs they're saying
27 000 and 27 093.
Orbs have been spotted now second

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is triangles at 19 000 the
third would be others like any other kind of
shapes fourth was fireballs
which i can i can see that
because even back you can date ufos back
to like the bc era like back
to the 1400 bc era where there

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was reports of battles going on and they all
of a sudden like fireball like something fiery
just dropped out of the sky or was flying around in the
sky but anyway death come next at 8
000 eggs at seven cigar shape
which you do hear a lot about cigar shape stuff it
obviously comes in after egg shape at 6 000

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changing it 3 000 almost 4 000
a rectangle at 2500 and diamond
shape at 2000 so but orbs now
you go back to the orbs man it's funny
that you you can let me
just let me throw a quick hypothesis kind of like paranormal versus alien we

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do have photos what looks like sometimes an alien you know manifesting a ghost
or you see the alien head in the window or something you know what i'm saying we've taken.
Pictures of that stuff okay so and we've we've always stated that.
We've always kind of stated that, you know, is it aliens trying to use our past

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history to be able to communicate with us in some kind of way?
So what if it's going to make me become an orb guy?
What? I'm not an orb guy, but what if you're talking about alien life forms?
Right. So you watch Men in Black.
Right. So they can be as tiny as a remote for your car.

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Right so what if you're taking a picture an investigation and you catch an orb
and it's actually an alien some kind of alien spaceship flying through the picture
a little micro spaceship,
right come on it's like it's like the jetsons.

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No when i read that though that's the first thing i thought of i said wow how
many orbs that we captured that could be alien life.
Man, I like the fact you're a free thinker and you're outside the box.
That's definitely one perspective I never thought of.
I never thought of it either until I did the research a while back and actually
was looking at orbs and I was like 27,

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almost 27, 100 orb-shaped objects have been spotted. Now they're alien.
They can do things. They have the ability to do things. So what if they could shrink?
And you know like some of those pictures we've caught alien like that one alien
standing outside of may stringer and it looked like he was actually manifesting

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the child that i caught sitting on the porch standing off to the left he was
probably what seven foot tall had the alien looking head,
what if what if he could shrink himself and a little flying object was flying
across the a picture we thought it was just a spirit orb could have been a alien
aircraft or flying to i know that's way outside the box but that's where i'm

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at with it you know definitely interesting,
Definitely interesting. But yeah, it's UFOs, man. Abductions.
You can get into abductions.
One of the hot topics. Well, let's say during the Cold War, first of all.
Did you know that from 1947 to 1969, there was probably over 12,000 sightings?

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And I know there was a project that you wanted to talk about a little bit,
which was the Blue Book, I believe.
Yeah. What kind of info can you tell us about the Blue Book real quick?
So basically the way
Project Blue Book works is it was an organization within the government that

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was assigned to go around and review everything that was considered UFO sightings.
And basically see what was going on with all these unexpected phenomenons and to look into it.

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And at least as far as what's been published, it's the first real attempt at,
at least for the Air Force's sides of the house, to have an organization to
open up a department To say, hey, what's really going on?
And to dig into it.

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So I thought that was pretty neat.
Because as me and you both know, and some people that may be listening are aware
of this, normally when it comes to official things like this,
these aren't things that are disclosed openly.
And they're usually kept very close to the vest.

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Also with having to have security clearances to know about these things. It's needs to know only.
And the only reason why any of this was even divulged or spoke of because A,
there were people that were passing away that passed on the information about

(46:34):
their experience literally on their deathbed.
B, the statute of limitations was reached on certain things.
So then the information became unclassified and information was imparted to
the masses on certain things that were able to be researched and opened up and

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looked at by, you know, John Q.
Public. Anybody that wasn't affiliated with organizations and did a request of information.
There's been websites and documentaries and interviews and all sorts of stuff
about Project Blue Book.

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But that's just one particular facet of this.
With a known entity officially saying, hey, here's what's going on.
Normally when something happens, it stays hush-hush and quiet,

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and you're not going to know about it unless you have a specific job that puts
you in the know, and that's it.
And when you know things, you can't talk about things, and if you do talk about
things, then there's repercussions.
And so people don't ever talk about things. And the only way it ever comes to
light is when so much time has passed.

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We're not talking 5, 10, or 15 years. We're talking decades upon decades that
when the information does get disclosed,
it's no longer an issue for it becoming a problem on a national level that could compromise things.
So that's why a lot of times you'll find things getting disclosed or unclassified 40,

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50, 60 years later because it's old news and it's irrelevant to what's going
on in this day and age for that information.
So, right. So anyway, you know, there's, there's, there is a,
this is a huge topic, huge topic, UFOs, aliens, abductions.

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Heck, we didn't even get to area 51, but do you know, just real quick,
do you know, besides the blue book, what other report was put out?
What, what report you're referencing? Yeah.
Condon report oh yeah there was
a there was edward condon i believe his name was
there was a report of 37 scientists that

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wrote chapters or parts for this report and i think and i think that if we do
another episode we're gonna have to do another episode of ufos but oh by the
way lost in space that was that show thank you thank you yeah that's what it
was i I used to watch that one. It just popped in my head.
I used to watch the Jetsons, too.

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But anyway, so the Condon Report was basically, I want to say,
kind of like the end of the UFO investigation.
I think it was like the Blue Book kind of started it.
And then this Edward Condon created this report. I mean, I could go into it
deeper. But like I said, there was 37 scientists that wrote chapters or parts

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for the report of the Condon Report.
But that's another report besides the Blee book that was brought out.
There's just so much to talk about there. Area 51 is a huge topic.
But since we're in Nevada and we can go to the neighboring state of Utah.

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Because Area 51 was located in Nevada for people that didn't know.
Yes, now that I'm talking about Area 51 in Nevada, we can go to Utah.
Because Utah is located next to Nevada.
We can go to the Uena Basin. Uena Basin.

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That's where Skinwalker Ranch is located. There you go.
And now, even though I have watched videos of dogs doing weird things,
walking on their hind lanes like a human being,
you know, and there's actually some videos of people who actually think they caught Skinwalker.

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But as much technology there is, you know, because it shows like a like a cat
one time running across the road and is about to get hit by a car.
And it actually you could see the leg come up and it actually transformed into
a human being. And you just kind of walk across.
It was caught on a basically a CCCC way we call TV, like the camera off the

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street, basically. Yeah, CCTV, closed circuit television.
Yeah, so. Or video camera system.
Right, any kind of, it was like a street camera, basically. Yeah.
And so, but in the basin, like years ago, hundreds of years,
was the Ute and Navajo tribes were the two major tribes that populated that land, that area there.

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And basically for years they had kind of an uneasy relationship you know they raided each other,
and sometimes they did ally with each other you
know conducting raiding parties on each other as well basically that's where
i go back to them raiding but they were taking flames anyway it's it's a relationship

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between the two tribes that deteriorated completely during the civil war when
the Ute betrayed the Navajo by allying with Kit Carson, a U.S. Army soldier.
And everybody knows about Kit Carson.
He was the one leading the campaign to oust the Navajo from their lands.
So with the help of the Ute and other tribes, they were pretty much successful,

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as we know, to have the Navajo surrender and were forced to basically go to
Fort Sumter on the reservation.
Now, being that that happened, the Ute have been convinced ever since that the
Navajo had laid a curse on the land in retaliation for their betrayal.
And since that time, the land has been basically haunted by what they call skinwalkers,

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malevolent, shape-shifting witches of Navajo lore.
Okay. So the Navajo, I believe, called them a demonic shift changer.
The Ute believe that these monsters, basically, they're large and they avoid

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going to the ranch or entering its territory.
Interesting. It's an interesting thing that they do that.
However, ancient rock art of the tribes in that region have depicted strange
animal-human hybrid creatures since well before the Civil War.
So if it's before the Civil War, then obviously I'm going to say the Navajo

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didn't put a curse on there.
This has been going on for a while. So here's the question.
You know, it sounds like a feud between organizations or tribes.
Sounds like curses. Sounds like a lot of things people don't understand.
What's the reality or truth in this happening a lot longer than just when this

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feud happened who's to say that this wasn't happening for hundreds if not thousands of years already,
and they were all right because there was just
a name put on it you know
like an official right and and if
you do the research on it they talk about the ute but if you
go to if you go to the navajo section which is where

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i'd really like to you know base research
on is the navajo culture a skinwalker to
them is a type of harmful witch who has the
ability to turn into possess or disguise themselves as an animal this the and
and just so you know the term is and even though they call a healer a witch

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or something that term is never used for healers it's only used for Or skinwalkers.
And like I said, them using the D word, a demonic-type creature.
So that right there captures my attention when they say that they're demonic.

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Because it's like, okay, now you're dealing with a little bit of something totally
different than just some harmful witches who have the ability to switch.
Do you agree to that? That's definitely interesting.
Right. So it's...
I just can't, like, the demonic shapeshifter, the Native Americans won't mention by name. Why?

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You know, it's, you know, there is certain demons that you don't want to say
their name for certain reasons, right?
You've heard about the lords and the tales of that.
Oh, yeah. So, why wouldn't the Navajo say their name? Now, is there something,

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you know, we start out talking about skinwalkers shape-shifting.
Okay. But now when you start investigating the Navajo side of it,
and they're saying it's a demonic shape-shifter,
that Native Americans, so you're not talking just Navajo, you're talking the
whole Native American tribe, basically.
Wouldn't that mean, wouldn't that be what that means?

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That Native Americans won't mention by name? Well, Native Americans,
inherently, that's just a coin term of, obviously, individuals regionally,
depending on where you're talking about.
There's tons of tribes all throughout American history.
That's what I'm saying, though. So you're not just saying that the Navajo is
not going to mention their name.

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They're saying that Native Americans themselves, which means all tribes, won't mention the name.
Yeah, and if they don't, you know, I'm sure there might be different verbiage
depending on what tribe that you're following up with,
because, you know, they all have different dialects and the way they speak and
each have their own histories with respect to, you know, their culture. Yeah.

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I wouldn't be surprised if with every single Native American tribe,
that if they did not have the same word for a skinwalker, if they had a word
that was similar for the same meaning,
but from a standpoint of what it represents, something I'm curious about is,

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is it going to be the same for every tribe or is it not going to be the same?
Or is there going to be a varied of opinion? you know i
just don't know that's just the way i'm looking at it right now right and that's
and that's the thing you know because i so that the skinwalkers are shape-shifting
witches that disguise themselves as deformed animals like wolves and bears so

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wolves and bears wolves are dogs,
so it's funny that when i watch these videos of these dogs and people filming
their dogs doing and like human stuff, like walking on their hind legs.
And then like this one video, the dog's walking around the house on its back
legs, like a human being.
And then it comes around the corner and notices its owner sees it.

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And he drops down on all fours and just stares at him like, oh, you caught me.
But that's unnerving. But you walk in what I'm saying,
you walk into the kitchen and your, your, your beloved pet
cat or dog sitting there cooking eggs making breakfast making
some oj and you walk in then they go down and they're
like wolf or meow like whoops they've been

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busted right and they do have
one that the dog was in the
fridge in the refrigerator standing on its hind legs
like it opened the refrigerator door the the the owner walks up to the ref like
walks up to the kitchen and door area that you'd see coming out of the living
room or whatever and he's filming

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and he walks over and the you see the refrigerator doors open right yeah,
he just goes what are you doing and the
dog literally leans back and looks around the
refrigerator and then drops the all-force that's
interesting and then you got some that are capturing these eight these dogs

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that actually have a human type facial feature to them what smiling like they're
like they well the smiles the eyes like the eyes are real human like they're They're not dog-like.
It's almost like they haven't fully transformed into the dog, which is kind of weird.

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That's interesting. But anyway, these four-legged animals, these humanoid figures,
they've been terrorizing families in the American Southwest, I guess, for a long time.
The legend of the papeshifting entity known as skinwalker has largely been regulate.

(01:00:03):
Let's see relegated to hoax status after all so basically they're saying it's
a hoax so here we go again you come out with spirits and entities and ghosts
and demons you get to the biblical side and then all of a sudden now it's a hoax,
that right there in itself will make

(01:00:23):
me want to research the crap out of it
because if you're if they brought
a series out now i never watched the series like
i said i i watched one episode where like i
said they were standing out in the middle of the desert in the back part of
it and they were trying to wait for some ufo phenomenon because they were trying
to see if the ufo phenomenon was actually part of the skinwalker Phenomena which

(01:00:51):
Skinwalker This is a paranormal deal So For somebody to say that it's it's been Relegated as a hoax.
I don't know, because you're talking about Native Americans,
man. Native Americans, they believe themselves that they have,
let's say, you have Walking Eagle.

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Well, where do you get his name from? Well, he's a walking person,
but he can shapeshift into an eagle and fly.
They used to believe that the Native Americans could do that.
So i'm not i'm not gonna i'm not
really gonna say that it's a hoax i'm gonna
say there's some reality to it i just think

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they haven't found the shape-shifting deal
because look at look at the game cameras if you go if
you go and you watch game cameras and people you know
they catch some weird animal with with
offset now it says deformed right so
that would be something's wrong with it so you
would see some kind of creature come out of the woods with front

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legs are longer than its back legs or something you know and it's
walking sideways on a game camera right
you've seen those yes okay so
how do you know that's not a skinwalker you don't you
take it with a grain of salt and you just
you know you got to do the smell test if it doesn't smell right if it doesn't

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look right it doesn't seem right if it doesn't match up with your brain saying
this is normal then something's not right you know and that's the thing is i
think a lot of times for these,
instances of people reporting seeing skinwalkers or hearing of it or hearing

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of someone else's experience,
I think it's all gonna come down to how well-founded is the evidence of what
was experienced by that individual.
Because the thing that's interesting with the human brain is you can have a
lot going on and you could think you see something and you could go back to

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that person five minutes later and say, hey, what was this person wearing?
And they're gonna say, oh, this person was wearing wearing a red shirt with
a blue baseball cap, white pants, black shoes. And you're like, okay.
And then you show them a photo and it's like white shoes, brown pants,
you know, purple hat and green top, not even close.

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But your brain tries to put pieces together to make it make sense.
And what I'm getting at by saying that is, is that under times of duress,
stress, stress, confusion, uncertainty, or any type of heightened emotion.
Your brain doesn't necessarily always encode everything correctly that happens.

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So when you try to recall it, it's going to be scrambled a little bit.
It's not going to be 100% accurate.
Details are going to be a little fuzzy.
So that's why. Well, it's like the one word, 10 people line. Yeah.
You start with the first person and go, hey, I saw a dog cross the street.
You tell that to the second person. That person tells it to the third person.

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And by the time you get to the 10th person, it's like this dog stumbled across
the street or, you know, got wet or whatever. The whole story has changed. Right. Exactly.
That's, that's my whole point. I think ultimately for any type of profound experience,
somebody has may encountered or heard of dealing with skinwalkers.

(01:04:33):
I think it's going to come down to evidence and it's going to come down to,
this is what I saw, or this is what I think I saw.
Because if it's on video or photo, you can't dispute it.
That's, you know, an exact snapshot representative of what was there,
what happened at that time.

(01:04:54):
Well, see, and what makes me, okay, so shift changers, okay, fine.
But, you know, when you talk about the Skinwalker Ranch, basically,
there was a family that lived on the ranch.
And they had a traumatizing experience. But they're talking like cattle mutilations,

(01:05:17):
disappearances and crop circles and UFO sightings.
You're straight up talking UFOs. Yeah.
I mean, everything that you just mentioned, that I just mentioned right there,
that was in that research, cattle mutilation, disappearance,
that be a duction, you know, crop circles, that's UFOs.

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So could it be aliens running
around there shape-shifting into animals to
try to you know get closer to the the
human people i don't know could be
recon they could be trying to assimilate
to see what's going on you know who knows right
and and and being that i think that

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that property is near a military base they're
not too far from the military base i believe because i
remember i did watch part of
that episode i think they had some military jets that
were flying over and the guy was calling them out like those are military
planes those aren't ufos well i'll say
this i actually watched all that series i am a logical scientific person a big

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big part of me is that way i still have the what if scenario also side of me
but for the things that they presented it was very thought-provoking and it.
Different scenarios on why things that were happening on certain levels could be presented that way.

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I'm not going to get into the details because I don't want to ruin it for anybody
that hasn't seen that series. It's definitely a pretty cool series to watch.
But I will leave it at this. There
are things naturally occurring in the earth
and the environment that happens that
can can change or distort perceptions on many different levels rather it's interpersonal

(01:07:16):
rather it's visual rather it's auditory rather it's smell or rather it's using technology,
so yeah but so when you say that though like this guy like about a year after
they moved in one night i think the guy's name was something sherman a sherman

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family or something anyway he said he was walking his dogs or something late
at night he encountered a wolf now this wolf,
was no ordinary wolf it was like way bigger
than a normal one and it had glowing red eyes and basically it was unfazed by

(01:07:57):
the three close range shots that he blasted in the side of it i guess he tried
to shoot it and he said it was unfaithful now this this is so this is.
Basically i guess how it started with them questioning like what the heck was that,
like first of all first of all i'm surprised

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that you got you tried to get close enough to a a
wolf that's way bigger i think it
was like three or four times bigger than a normal wolf which
which if you know the normal size of a regular wolf those
dogs are big oh yeah they are big i
mean if you took a full-size german shepherd okay i

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mean we're talking you know little over four foot maybe three
foot high max for a german shepherd wolves
can easily a real 100 pure-blood
wolf can easily tower that dog
for statue therefore they could be
four foot yeah for width for height i

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mean they are i mean it's it's been a known fact all modern dogs have been descendants
of wolves well of course they're all this and even wolves are descendant of
something so but i know where they're going with that you want me to tell you
You want me to tell you what their descendants from?

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The technical term is a wolfie mammoth. Get it? Wolfie mammoth? Never mind. Bad joke.
A wolfie mammoth. Yes. Okay. I'm surprised he didn't say veal.
But anyway, so I know what they're getting at with that, that he encountered.

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So this thing is three to four times bigger than a normal wolf.
So he encountered a ship changer. He encountered like a werewolf. Yeah. Basically.
So i mean what are werewolves people that
turn into wolves right so are they
skinwalkers is the whole myth of werewolves
from the vampire days because vampires were
real they say that werewolves they have proof that werewolves were real so are

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we talking werewolves from back in the transylvania of days that that's what
that's a skinwalker that's interesting i mean could be i mean.
I'm not going to name any names but when you follow certain movies that became
a cult classic and hit for a while you know that was the running theme the vampires

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versus the wolves you know So it may,
maybe that's where, where, where that lineage of, of thought process came from
for that whole story plot.
So, you know, I think ultimately the aspect of a skinwalker is something that

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is very intriguing and interesting.
Nine times out of 10, if you
think about it and you think of various phenomenon
or paranormal normal things in the
world it's usually dedicated just to
one particular entity you know
it could be bigfoot it could be the chupacabra it could

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be you know different things around the world but it's always just one thing
with the skinwalker you're talking about something that is the ability and to
embody transforming itself into different things.
I've never heard of anything else to this date of one particular item that's

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related to the paranormal that can shapeshift except for that.
Werewolves, the only thing that was. Right. So that's what I'm saying,
though, when you when you talk about the shapeshifter, these Native Americans
turning themselves into wolves,
would that fall in the lines of where the tale of werewolves come from?

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People actually seeing werewolves meant like they shot a werewolf and when they
went, it was a dog, right?
They shot it. They walked over to it. Now it's a human dude sitting there laying
there on the ground, right?
Dead. So did they kill a skinwalker back then?
Is that the lore of werewolves? Does the actual lore of skinwalkers fall back

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to the lore of werewolves? Makes you think, don't it?
But some traditions believe the skinwalkers are born from benevolent medicine
man who abuses indigenous magic for evil.
Now, this is a whole other twist. So now you're talking magic.

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You're talking, what, voodoo? You're talking whatever, this medicine man.
He is then given mythical powers of evil that vary from tradition to tradition.
So the power of all traditions mentioned is the ability to turn into or possess an animal or a person.

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Other traditions believe a man woman or child can become a skinwalker should they commit to.
Basically any kind of deep-seated taboo so when
you when you dig into skinwalkers that's why i
can't that's probably why it wasn't a good thing for me to watch the series
and try to follow that because then i would just be like ufos ufos ufos all

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day long right except the part where the guy I supposedly put three rounds into
a wolf that was three or four times bigger than a normal wolf.
But then I'm thinking werewolves and the lore of the folktale of werewolves.
And basically what we've been told all our lives as children with vampires,

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werewolves, of course, Frankenstein was real.
But what are
the two the two monsters that are
always that always are in movies is werewolves and
vampires because they were legit well but
not only that though those are the focal points and staples of
what was scary with

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the movie cinema experience that
really sparked in the late 20s 30s 40s
especially the 50s they started planting these specific genre type experiences
to strike fear in individuals the swamp thing was one you know being a vampire was one.

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Know the wolf but then again if you
think that's like teen wolf which wasn't that big
of a deal it wasn't so much scary but my.
Whole point is is that the the movie industry
cinema experience is very
good at taking something that could be docile and
creating and pumping it up into something that can put

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it on a platform to give people an experience and
well let's go let's go go ahead and that's
what go ahead go ahead well that's well that's why you
automatically brought up if you think about
it vampires and werewolves it did its
job it implanted the thought process of.
Hey it's these two things you know well i

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just i look at it that way because vampires and werewolves
were legitimately especially vampires were
actually a thing i mean draw cool was an actual
real person so but you
know when you talk about skin so here we go again skinwalkers werewolves
okay how do you how do you kill a werewolf very
carefully with a silver bullet right

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silver bullets silver bullets right so
that's the lore that's the lore right but
here's here's what i'm getting at so skinwalkers are described as being
mostly animalistic physically even
when they are in human form they're reportedly near impossible to kill except
with a bullet or knife dipped in white ash you see but that's lore though you

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know and that's where i think a lot of the paranormal.
Theories or stories or lore
or history come about is putting
information out and then it changes over time and
depending on no it hasn't it hasn't changed it hasn't
changed right you're talking about you're talking about killing

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you okay okay so what i'm saying is though is as
i'm trying to put skinwalkers and werewolves together because
now i'm really thinking about that like like okay now i find a part in a section
of research that i've done that says that they're near impossible to kill werewolves
near impossible to kill except with a bullet okay so now they're talking skin

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Skinwalkers are nearly impossible to kill except with a bullet.
That's how you kill a werewolf is with a silver bullet.
There's nothing so that's what i'm saying and i and
i and i i'm just trying to say that this story
about a skinwalker they change into wolves
and bears now you're talking let's say

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now i brought up the point of werewolves right where
are the is the legend of werewolves actually talking
about skinwalkers back then and you
could kill both a skinwalker wolf and a werewolf
with a bullet it you see where i'm going with that interesting so the more you

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that's what i'm saying the more you dig into it and the more research that i've
done on it it's crazy crazy similar that the.
Native americans transformed into werewolves basically they're wolves they're
they're wolves let's just say wolves and of course it's a human being transforming

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into a wolf so that That makes the wolf bigger than a normal wolf.
The red eyes, we've talked about that with shadow people, where certain shadow
figures have different colored eyes, or even spirits trying to manifest themselves
would have different colored eyes.
And that we didn't really feel like the red eyes really, when you see red eyes,

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okay, everybody's like evil, demonic, whatever.
That's probably why they figured
out they're demonic, because they have this guy trying to shoot one,
and it had red eyes so
but technically the red eyes could
have been like if you were shining a flashlight you
know you shine a flashlight at an animal's eyes it changes colors yep or yep

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yep and that's because just the way it is but i i get what you're saying you
know everything that we're speaking of about everything with native american
culture and so forth is strictly you You know,
mine and Dalton's theory on what we've researched into and opinion.

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There's no way, shape or form that anything that we've stated is the de facto
100% truth or 1% truth of what it is.
So I just wanted to put that out there that we are just imparting things that
we've learned and tying in different things to share this experience.
So, yeah, we we put it out there all the time.

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That's why we call ourselves theory paranormal.
It's our theory. It's our experiences.
And and obviously, the way that I'm trying to say this is that when I start
researching, when I had started researching skinwalkers and learn what they
transform into, learn what the family has run into.

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Basically besides the different languages, the guy heard and stuff,
but he ran into a wolf that was three to four times bigger than a normal wolf.
First thing in my mind is werewolf. I mean, werewolves were huge.
So I don't know why I thought about that, but everything I started researching
about, I just kept thinking, wow, that ties into the werewolf legend or lore.

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Yeah. And so that's why I was just kind of like bringing it out.
Like it's, doesn't have to be a fact but
it does make you think is the
is the legend of the werewolf actually a skinwalker is
i mean who came up with skinwalker anyway i
i never did you ever figure out where that besides the
navajo name of skinwalker i

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mean i guess that's where it came from basically skinwalker it's
a human being turning into an animal okay cool but
why wasn't this ever brought out before like you know
well it's a cultural thing you're talking i i would speculate
it was a cultural thing like an urban legend or lore
and it's not something that you would generalize generally just put out there

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i mean i can only speculate so but as i believe i believe skin walker's coming
i mean i know i i don't know what you what you and take on it and And I know
we've been talking a while,
but I believe that skinwalkers come in like there probably is some shift changing stuff going on.

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And I believe it comes in multiples because, like I said, there's some strange creatures that.
Showing up on game cameras that i've watched or people that
have filmed something weird in the woods and it
kind of it shift you know shift changed into something else you know what i
mean it's it's i think it's kind of unique and weird at the same time i think

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there's many things out there that we will never understand and there are things
out there that a few select people people, organizations,
or entities do understand,
but everybody else will never know.
That's just, that's just my, my thoughts on that.
But as far as it goes, Dalton, this concludes our season two episode two podcast

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of Skinwalkers and UAPs and UFOs.
As always, if anybody has any questions, thoughts, concerns,
or want to contact us or share any evidence to first review for you,
You can email us info at theoryparanormal.com, and we'll be sure to get back to you.
Besides that, Dalton, as always, it has been a pleasure speaking with you.

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Yeah, likewise. And we definitely got to do a part.
I mean, we keep saying we're going to do a part two. We need to do a part two of UFO.
There's so much UFO stuff we haven't touched on. And I'm beginning to think
that could be just one episode.
And then we need to do a part two of skinwalkers. Cause I'm thinking if I keep
digging into, if we both, you know, keep, and I, and I kind of took control of that.

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My apologies to you. I don't know if you had anything you wanted to say about
skinwalkers, but no, that's fine.
Hey, I know when we get on certain subjects, you know, it's go time for you. Yeah.
Well, right. Because I mean, I'm intrigued at the fact that werewolves and skinwalkers
are kind of familiar, you know, they're kind of intertwining with each other.
And, but anyway, I, Yeah, man, it's, it's always great.

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It's always great to do this. And I'm glad that we love what we do.
And we got an investigation coming up, what, April 6th? Yep, April 6th. I think it is.
April 6th. So it'll be, that'll be an episode we'll be talking about May Stringer House.
Great place to investigate. May Stringer House.
So that's all we have for everybody. And stay tuned for our next podcast being published in March.

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So thanks for listening, everybody. As always, don't be afraid to ask questions.