There’s No Business Like...

There’s No Business Like...

THERE’S NO BUSINESS LIKE... The podcast that explores topics and talks with leaders of the professional theatrical touring industry! The ”Quad” Producers (Josh, Danielle, Katie, Bryan, and Kevin) discuss a range of arts related topics and share an interview with a different industry leader each week. Learn more at


March 29, 2023 41 min

Ep. 24 Jerry and Adrienne Crane-Ross: Get to Know Your Marketplace


In episode 24, our hosts recall adjacent experience that loosely correlated to their current careers, and Josh and Kevin sit down to talk business with Jerry Ross and Adrienne Crane-Ross.  Jerry discusses his path to the industry through being in a band and managing a rehearsal stu...

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Ep. 23 EALS: The Future is Bright! 


We are joined by the student leaders of the Emerging Arts Leaders Symposium (EALS), Morgan Fuller, Faith Smith, and Lisette DuFore. Katie jumped at the opportunity to chat with the future leaders in our industry to hear what is important to them as they enter the field. Our hosts share what they thought they wou...

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Ep. 22 Dominic Moore-Dunson: Defining Success


On this episode, our hosts talk about safety leading into Danielle’s engaging conversation with Dominic Moore-Dunson. Dominic shares his creative process, including his perspective on how an audience perceives his projects after creation, and how becoming a parent changed the way he was making art. Dom...

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Ep. 21 Stephen Sunderlin: Theatre is an Apprenticeship

On this episode, our hosts recall thing that drew them into booths at conferences, and Bryan sits down to talk business with Stephen Sunderlin. Stephen shares his story of moving to NYC and eventually becoming the Artistic Director at Vital Theatre Company. Stephen shares the benefits of connections, the details of produci...

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Ep. 20 Michael Mushalla: Be Curious. Don’t Be Afraid.


This week's episode is another special one! It highlights Michael Mushalla who introduced our hosts, and helped us all think differently about what comes next. 


Michael Mushalla is the Owner and Founder of Double M Arts & Events, LLC (ht...

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February 22, 2023 40 min

Ep. 19 Christine Cox: Keep Dreaming Big 


This week's episode is a special one! It is the first of two that highlights the individuals that introduced our hosts. Our hosts talk about getting that phone call, and then Bryan, Danielle, and Kevin share their conversation with Christine Cox. Christine shares her journey from playing a Princess to ownin...

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Ep. 18 Christi Dortch: It’s About What We’re Building

Our hosts talk about their favorite experience on stage. Katie chats with Christi Dortch about her career journey, when to listen to what your community is ready for and when to push them. Katie and Christi also discuss the relearning of in person communication coming out of the pandemic zoom meeting norm.  The interview co...

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Ep. 17 Marian Liebowitz: What Puts Fire in Your Belly?


Our hosts talk about the instruments they played when they were younger, and the importance of arts education. Bryan takes an opportunity to chat with Marian Liebowitz about her teaching background and the importance of the business side of our industry, as well as her unique approach to curat...

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Ep. 16 Josh Holliday: Creative Instinct and Arts Marketing 


Josh Holliday joins our host, Katie, to demystify Arts Marketing by giving real examples of how to create a marketing plan, how PR differs from marketing, and more. Our hosts talk about their favorite marketing campaigns, and revel in the masterclass that Josh Holliday presented in this s...

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On this episode, Bryan sits down with Alaska’s Fiddling Poet, Ken Waldman. Bryan and Ken talk about Ken’s life on the road, his time as an educator, how he approaches his work including conferences, and even gives us a snippet of his work. Our hosts talk about trying to explain what it is they actually do, and explore the genuine approach that K...

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Ep. 14 Larry Kosson: Give Each Other the Time 

Our hosts reflect on their first mentors and the impact they had. Josh found some time at International Entertainment Buyers Association (IEBA - Conference to sit down with Larry Kosson. Larry shares his origin story, and talks about his true passion, mentorship. Larry was awarded the 2019 Mentorship Award fr...

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Ep. 13 Krista Bradley: Discomfort Breeds Growth

We kick off this week with stories from past APAP (Association of Performing Arts Professionals) Conference before Katie dives into a conversation with Krista Bradley. Krista shares the journey that landed her at APAP, why cultural humility is important, and why you should listen to your impulses.


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Ep. 12 Pat Hazell: Capturing Creativity: Seinfeld to Wonder Bread


Our hosts talk about tech riders, before an engaging conversation with this week's incredible guest, Pat Hazell. Pat shares his insights on storytelling, “renting seats,” contracts, and shares his journey and only begins touching on his career. 

Pat Hazel...

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December 28, 2022 22 min

Ep. 11 It’s a Holiday Party!

Our hosts take a week off from interviewing to have a little holiday fun. Katie’s son, Leo, makes an appearance to spread some holiday cheer, we all play some games, and we share what we plan to work on in the new year. Want to give us a present this year? Thank you to all of you who gave us a listen in 2022 and helped get this podcast off the grou...

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Ep. 10 Jennifer Morris & Laurel Canan: Becoming Tour Ready

Jennifer Morris and Laurel Canan didn’t start out in the arts, like most they discovered their path along the way. Bryan and Josh sit down with them to talk about artist management, being tour ready, and what led them to the industry they love. Our host chime in with their translatable skills from their jobs before the...

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Ep. 9 Xavier Verna: Discovering Shared Values

This week our hosts talk about their love of historic venues and Katie sits down with Xavier Verna. Xavier and Katie talk about managing historic theatres, working in small communities, how to make purposeful partnerships, and the important role that EDI plays in managing an arts organization.  

Xavier V...

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December 7, 2022 40 min

Ep. 8 David Wannen: Just Show Up 


Our hosts talk about getting over nerves, imposter syndrome, and the importance of being tightly routed. Our guest, David Wannen, shares how he got over his nerves, how his organization builds a route, and some practical approaches to conferences, including the importance of “the hang”.  

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November 30, 2022 45 min

Ep. 7 Sarah McCarthy: Trust Your Intuition 

On this episode, Katie sits down with Sarah McCarthy to talk about theatre for young audiences, new projects, and juggling life with a full workload. Our hosts reminisce about their questionable music choices as young children and acknowledge that you can love your job and still need time for yourself.


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November 16, 2022 50 min

Ep. 5 Max Darwin: Magic and Mental Health


We talk about our origin stories on this episode, and Katie has a heartfelt conversation with our friend, Max Darwin, about creating a magic show, hard work, empathy, and mental health.

Max Darwin is an actor, public speaker, and magician who might be best known by his stage per...

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November 9, 2022 36 min

Ep. 4 Tommy Hensel: Be Kind to Yourself  


Everyone is busy! We learn a little more about what our hosts do outside of their day jobs. Check out #marionmurals on Instagram and visit Kevin chats with Tommy Hensel about a new booking conference, Midwest Arts Xpo (MAX), challenges facing the industry, selfcare and m...

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