DPIW #004 - Chris Burden “My God, are they going to leave me here to die?” INSANE American performance art, Dad Joke Contest

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Episode Transcript

(00:00):
Yo yo. Hello. Yo yo. Hello. Please.
You did the old switcheroo on the coffee.
Yeah I did.
Yeah, I wanted mine. yeah.
You left yours over by my chair.
Let me switch chairs.
Dude, dude, have some perspective.
This is the Percy Dumbarton, right? Stop.
We're at here.
Percy. Dumbarton. Are we. Are we rocking?

(00:20):
We are rocking. Hi.
Hello, everyone. Didn't see you. Come in.
welcome to,the Percy Dumbarton rest stop.
We're here at the.
Stay out of my swamp.
The PD's, here with tiara Mmph.
we are back with anotherexciting installment of,
our segment that we lovingly call thisa podcast in the woods.

(00:43):
And here we're here to help you find outthe answer to that, age old question.
Does a podcast in the woods?We don't need nothing fancy.
We got a camera.
We got a couple, wireless labs.
We can't afford anything fancy.
Hey, I'm just kidding. We're ballers.
Yeah. Right.
Sorry. Yeah, I'm.
I have a Lambo that I got for $600.
Yeah. Dude.
That's nuts.

(01:03):
We we saw that on the wayon the drive here.
We just want to, like, do it.Would you do that?
Would you rent a Lambo just to flex and,like, drive around on the ferry
and be like, hey, I have this car.
Like, I mean, it's one thingif it's like your wedding
and part of the budget,fuck it, you're throwing it in there
and you're gonna drivea very beautiful car.
But, like,I don't know, I just feel like I.
If I was going to have an amazingsupercar, I'd want to actually have it.

(01:25):
Not rent it for a day and be like,yeah, look at me flexing.
Oh, well, that was fun.
I think there's two purposes for that.
if you
if you area car nut and you just want to experience
what it feels like toto drive a Lambo fair,
I consent or else, how the hell else willyou ever test that out?
Right?
Will you dedicate yourselfto winning the lottery?
Second, I think if you are using it,

(01:49):
maybe in a skit or a movie.
Yeah, long as you again, as long as you'renot like running it in your yeah,
your rap video being like, check it out,look how much money I make off
my sick raps.
I woke up in a new Bugattithat isn't mine.
Yeah, yeah, rich Homie Quan.
And that's not rich homie Juan.
I don't know who it is.Woke up in a new Bugatti.
Anyways, he's rich homie though,so he can probably afford it.
Yeah, yeah,he did probably wake up a new Bugatti,

(02:11):
although what did he namehimself? Rich homie before he was rich?
I mean, that'd be sick manifestingthe hell out of it.
I fucking say tell me, Dan, everyone, justso you know, they call me Rich homie.
Dan, I am exorbitant wealth, Dylan.
Oh, well,that's just too much. Yeah, exorbitant.
Too much.
but yeah, those are the two. Two rules.
If you're renting Lambo.
Any other thing you just frontin,or if you're just wasting money,

(02:34):
if you don't care that much,
or if you're like, have inside informationlike you are time traveler and you know,
the meteor is going to hit tomorrow,like the asteroid
is going to hit the Earth and take us allout. It's like, well, I'd rented.
So just like Thelma and Louise off a cliffwith somebody saying, dude,
no way.
What the fuck? Yeah.
Scientists have just discoveredhow to fix in the radio on the way down.
He's like, scientistshave just actually nailed the asteroid

(02:55):
with a nuclear missilethat sent it flying away harmlessly.
Like.
And then the actual, like the bomb of,like, I guess it's not a Tesla.
No, it's.
Oh, it's. Yeah.
He's just yelling like the mushroom cloud.
Yeah.
I thought we diverted the asteroid anyway.
Yeah. So. So, yeah.
Anyways, we saw some homie driving oneand whatever.
He could have been a nice dude.

(03:16):
He probably owned it.
Yeah. We're just making up stories for.
Yeah. Strangers. Yeah. That's funny.You segment.
He was driving a Lamborghini.
That's all we know about the manright off.
Okay, well, to get into this episode,
I think I want to just start you offwith a little lightness.
Little.
We get in.
I feel like we were stuck at the doorof the episode for a while now.
We're finally, finally. Yeah, yeah.All right, let's get in there.
Percy.
Dumbartondidn't allow us interest in peace.

(03:38):
Rest in peace.
He was the caretaker of this park,by the way.
Yeah, he.
Percy Dumbartonwas the caretaker of Francis King Park.
So remind me to get a shot of the signthat says Percy Dumbarton above us.
We're not just making up randomHarry Potter names.
This is a general.
General. Oh, okay.
Yeah, we'll have to look at that.Yeah, yeah. Okay.
So I just you're just sound likea dumb name that we would make up though.
No, no offense to to PD

(04:01):
d the King.
Yeah for sure.
Francis King, the French king. Hell, yes.
why can't you hear a pterodactylgoing to the bathroom?
They're extinct.
It's not a bad.
That's not a bad.
Yeah.
no, because the P is silent.
so I rememberlast time we did this outside,

(04:23):
I made a bunch of jokesthat didn't make sense.
And the point was them to not make sense.These ones make sense.
Oh, that's too bad.
Dad jokes.
Yeah, I'm boringmaking jokes with punchlines.
We gotta go, dude, I know, yeah, my coffeeNero wasn't really working for me.
why did the bicycle fall over?
I don't know, because it was too tired

(04:45):
that it was like I couldn'tstand it anymore.
Or some stupid, hey, man,are you fucking ready for these guys?
You shoot me. Well, that's pretty funny.
You coming upsome good. It's really alternative.
Yeah, yeah.
this one is not, answering call.
This is just a sentence.
Rip boiling water. You will be missed.
Oh, yeah.
Oh, that's pretty good.
I like that one. That's good. One.

(05:08):
Time flies like an arrow.
Fruit flies like a banana.
They do like a banana. They like a banana.
They're all about a banana.
Time doesn't really flylike an arrow, though.
Yeah, I know that was a reason.
Yeah. Time flies like an arrow.
Straight time flies like a fabricthat wraps in and amongst us and around us
and through us. Yeah.
Cool people.
This joke websitetalk to Neil deGrasse Tyson.
I think you'll beg to differ.

(05:30):
we tried.
He he he, What's the word?
Denied our request to interview him.
Yeah, yeah, he pled the fifth.
we thought we found him, though,so we just pled the fifth.
he didn't have much to say, though,so we didn't hear it.
Yeah.
Where was King David's temple located?
King David's temple.

(05:51):
Oh, Israel, I don't know.
Behind his ear.
Oh, for.
You mean in front of his ear?
But that's what I.
Yeah, I as I don't beside his ear.
Right. Is here.
Yeah. Besidehis ear makes a lot more sense.
What did I saybelow his ear. Behind his ear.
Oh, like shit. Did.
Okay. Jokers down backwards.

(06:12):
Yeah, yeah.You got to do some of the heavy lifting.
You're like,you don't have to paraphrase the joke.
You can just read it.
Try to be original hereand make it your own.
Kind of. Make my own yacht.
Damn. yeah. Carlo.
Been seeing that. This whole thing.
what's the differencebetween a poorly dressed
man on a tricycleand a well-dressed man on a bicycle?

(06:34):
You know,
a tire?
Oh, a tire.
Did you go to bicycle jokes? Dot com.
What happened?
Yeah, yeah, that was, Yeah.
Sponsored by huffy.
Sick and tired of your old jokes.
Then get another tire.
And another sick and tired of the cycle.Yeah.

(06:55):
The jokes. Okay. Like. Yeah.
what's red and bad to your teeth?
Oh a brick, that's true.
Definitely bad for your teeth.
Get mocked in the mouth. Yeah.
Mocked in the mock
up rock called a face a mock.
It's like right in your mug.
Right in your mug or whatever.

(07:15):
It's like a New York thing, like, so ASAP.
Like that smile off is mock, mockthat off with a brick.
what do sprinters eat before they race?
I don't I don't want to wasteeverybody's time thinking about it.
Go ahead. Nothing. They fast.
Oh, they. Hell fast, fast fast. Hella.
Okay. Last one I promise.

(07:38):
You have to do that.
Do you do your signature with throatclear?
I do every time.
yeah.
It's like an old man at a coffee shop.
That's like a type of punctuation for you.
Like, reset your brain with it, like,okay, here we go.
you're just enjoying your coffee at sixin the morning and just,
okay.
Smoking those stogies at 5 a.m..
I can't help it. Yeah.

(07:58):
What has four wheels and flies?
No. Like a rotting meat wagonor something?
I don't know.
Well, rotting.
Where are you goingto stay a garbage truck. So.
Yeah. Okay.
Nailed it.
Yeah. I see a lot of bastardizedthe English language.

(08:18):
Yeah, but but,you know, shit on it or whatever.
Your words.Yeah. A rotting meat wagon. Did.
Hurry up.
Get the garbage out.
The rotting meat wagon, I don't I didn't know the punchline of the joke.
I love that make it better.
I'm not paraphrasing.You're the one who was in front of you.
That's way better. Yeah,a rotting meat wagon.
And with that, dad jokes.
All right, well, there

(08:40):
you're that song. Listen to that.
You can hear that rotting meat wagonin the neighborhood.
Kids all run like that.
Do do do do do do do do.
This morning it was a fresh meatwagon, but, the refrigeration busted.
Yeah.
Well, Oshkosh thinking,
you know, I had a I have a gripe,actually, I have a small gripe.
And it's not to
anybody who has any power over this,but I'm just annoyed a little bit about,

(09:03):
okay, I'm going to sound like an old manbecause probably been happening
to people a lot,but I've been using Instagram
a lot more in the last few monthsthan I have normally been.
Like, I just never messed with it before,but now I've just been hopping,
using it and throwing on, you know,making stories about a lot, right?
Using Instagram.
But I followed some pagesand they're cool.
One of them is the outer space.

(09:24):
I'll put photos up eventuallywhen we do this.
I took some screenshots.
It's like once
the outer space and one was like classichip hop 88 or something like that.
Like, these are very innocuous soundinglike chill things to follow, right?
For a long timeit was like the outer space.
It was like pictures of nebulas and,you know, just sort of
appreciating the universe and being like,look how tall we are.
Space, our space. Right?It was about the space.

(09:45):
It was about nebulas and space in general.
Right. Just and neutron blasts.
Yeah. Astronomy. Sure.
So astronomy stuff and,
the other one was a classic hip hopwhen it was just about
there was just pictures of guys in the 90sand stuff, cool rappers and whatever,
and just, you know, a song playingwhatever.
I'm like, hey, cool,this is safe stuff to follow.
And then you open it up,you open up your phone at work

(10:07):
and there's just some naked chickbouncing around and I'm like, yo,
what the fuck is this?I don't follow this like just porn.
And then it's like classichip hop 88 or the outer space.
And then a bunch of the commentsare just like, fuck,
the page got bought out like thisbullshit, right?
So this is what I'm saying.Somebody buys the page.
If once they reacha certain number of followers,
they sell their pageand then they just turn it into like,

(10:28):
porn bought things and like,still a gang of people just still like
and follow all the stuff,even though it's just porn bought stuff.
It's like you are rewardingthis bad behavior.
Now what is that?
Just snack sense to me?
Hey, I have nothingno problem with like porn
and looking at it and stuff like that.
But if you're going to just surprisepeople with it
while they're at work and shit, dude,don't just.
I don't want to be surprisedby porn. What?

(10:49):
I didn't mean to follow.
I mean, and it's it's, you know,
it's like, dude, man, like,this is it's not 1977 where like,
oh, man, I'm stumbling acrossthe one Playboy in my whole parents.
I'm so glad to.
Oh well, I found oh,I found a naked joke.
So hard to figure that you define it.
Don't reward the people that are sellingthis trash time and place.
And also not even selling this trash.
I guarantee that the girls in the videoshave no idea

(11:11):
those videos are flying around,and what they're doing is,
oh no, it's some dweebthat's just so kind of collected them.
I mean, I meant them destroying the game.
Sorry. The account owner.
Yeah. Of course.
Don't reward that trash.
Like that's the trend. Like why would you don't reward that.
Like, why are you writing some guy
who basically just didthe old switcheroo on you,
who just stole something from a girlwho put content out or whatever,
and now they're just compileda bunch of different chicks content.

(11:32):
You click.
Okay, everybody, right now,I this shouldn't have to be said, but,
dudes, if you're following a page
and you look at the picturesand it's like a picture of, like,
you know, 17 different girls, those girls
probably don't knowthat you're looking at their picture.
They probably don't know
that their picture is posted up by this,this fuckface, like,
just unfollow that shit.

(11:52):
Get out of there.
To be fair,unless it's a photographer. Well, that.
But there's also peoplethat do send their photos
to big accountslike that for the attention.
Okay?
For like the thethe clout, as you can say.
But at the same time,there is probably the,
the higher percentage is probablyjust people using pretty girls
taking advantage. Yeah. And it's like,you know what?

(12:15):
First off,
maybe I'm a little mad
because it's like I workedso damn hard for my money
and they're probably makingjust as much shit stealing.
Yeah.
And honestly, like,even at the first state, like,
I mean, no hateand I'm not judging anybody,
but even just like, it'sI think it's a little lazy
if you're just making I mean, it'swhatever. It's a collective.
But if you make an Instagram pagethat is strictly just other people, like,
then you're just like,yeah, yeah, yeah, it's just you.

(12:37):
You must not have any pride, right?Like you just you're nothing.
No original content. No.
You don't create anything yourself.
You just try to, like, basicallypoach other people's shit, right?
Like take.
No, no, no, I just I think those peopleare scum and I'm not down for it.
And like, sick and tired of seeing pagesthat are half decent,
that have good amounts of followersjust suddenly get sold and switch to like,
porn shit.
In fact, it was like,

(12:58):
yeah, Instagram has policiesagainst like nudity and stuff,
but the picture that I had,I had to blur it out to like,
so that we can put it on herewhen we put it on the screen or whatever.
It's like it's a picture of nipples
and like just a naked girls torso
printed on to a swimsuitthat the chick is wearing.
So legally, she's like, not naked.

(13:19):
But the shirt makes it, at a first glancelook like you're just looking at porn.
It's just like, dude,oh man, what is this? Like?
There's a jumper
she's wearing like a swimsuitthat has, like, tits and stuff on it.
It's like,what am I just don't understand the world.
Maybe I'mjust getting hella old and phasing out,
but there's some shit that just feels likeIdiocracy all the time.
Like,
I mean, yeah, like I said, maybe it's likejust mad that people don't want to.

(13:41):
I mean, people are making money off thisjust because the fact that it's happening,
oh, it's just like enragingwhen I'm sure it's infuriating.
Any time people, take moneyin from something immoral
when we're all out here working hard,you know, that does pisses off for sure.
And that's why for me, it's just annoyingbecause it's like I followed this
with the expectationthat it would be what it is,
and then someone completely elsejust takes over it.

(14:03):
And now I'm like,okay, well, I'm unfollowing this now.
I don't know. It'sjust not a big deal really.
I guess it's just I hope that peoplelike myself who encounter that
just instantly unfollow that shit, like,get rid of it, take away
any like potential money or AdSenseor anything that they can get
because fuck yeah.
So anyway, fuck you Boomer dad. He.
Yeah, yeah.

(14:24):
Oh, look at her.
I'm coming here you guys.
There's so many of them to man
like the disgusting commentsfrom like 50 something 60 year old dudes.
Like their gnarly picture of their facelike, yeah, on their profile.
And they're like, oh,I wish I was there with you right now.
And like, stupid fucking commentslike, dude, you are gnarly.
Yeah. Just zero braincells to rub together, you know?
Do you not have at least like,a millennial in your life

(14:45):
or like a Gen Z that can, like, be like,hey, hey, pop, filter this for you.
Not that's not a real person.
Yeah, yeah, that is not. Yeah.
And you look like a fool and everybodysees Will do that dead internet theory.
Right.
Like how basically like they'rediscovering that most shit is bots.
It's actually like most interactions, waymore than our actual people.
It's all about it makes it look populated.

(15:06):
It looks like there's peoplehaving foreign conversations.
Brad, who was on our, episodeone time telling.
Yeah, Brad was on the podcasttalking about, aliens and UFOs.
what do they call it?
Actually,I forget what they're actually ups.
Yeah.
You identified artificial.
it's upset, like. Yeah.
Okay.
Tom, I can't believe I forgot,but anyway, yeah, I can believe I forgot.

(15:27):
I smoke some weed sometimes, but, but basically, Brad was on
and he was saying that the,
he was showing me the Reddit pagethat is just eyes
it just so they show you like the chat GTPtwo, three and four and eventually five.
And it showsyou examples of how they can talk.
There's entire subreddits of justAI is talking to eyes that look
just like people talking.

(15:48):
It looks. Exactly.
It's not discerniblefrom regular conversations.
It looks likethey're just having real talks.
It's putting itself.
It's saying like, why?
Why? Explain why.
It's like taxes are bad, taxes are bad,taxes are bad.
And then itself seeing why as thoughit's another person asking question.
It's having.
Yeah, it's like generating
enormous amounts of conversationsbased on the ones we've had.
I've seen.
So I watched a video by one of my,my YouTubers that like drew.

(16:11):
Good.
And he was like, he did a thing on AIand what's coming up of it.
And it's an alarming rate, obviously,but there's literally,
yeah, full on pageswith millions of people, making.
Yeah.
And the pictures are clearly AI,but a lot of boomers can't tell.
And it's just like holding upa sign saying, please, like this.
I'm so worried for dying or something,or it's my birthday and I have no family.

(16:31):
My parents died.
And like, there's so many boomers in the
in the midst of a mountain of AI commentsbeing like, oh, I pray for you.
It's like, bro, you're
yeah, well you don't UAPit is unidentified anomalous phenomenon.
It is is what it is. Yeah.
But anyways, long story short,AI is it's at a level where like to us
it's clearly fake.
And then you see in the distance likelike the words it can't wake it words.

(16:54):
Right. And shit like that. Yeah.
It can't quite do the spelling and wordslike pictures of writing very well.
And it can't do hands very well,
but it's only a matter of time beforeit's actually indiscernible from reality.
Right.
And have you, have you, have you heardof the AI which will probably affect you.
So I if I were he would get on it.
No, I don't listen to that one.
Here is Spotifythe sport, the Spotify AI shit.

(17:14):
So there is an alarming rate.
So first off, Spotify isn't a huge debt.
It's not making money.
It's the business model is $10 a monthand you get all the music in the world
and all the licensing fees.They do not make money.
They are pretty dumb.
They never happen.
All they're doing is losing money becausethey're gaining money for one dude.
Right.
And well, and it's and
I mean, there's obviously certainthings like with ads and podcasts

(17:35):
and original content, but it's not enoughto get all the for every music out there.
But what they're doing nowand what it's theorized is still in
its early form, a conspiracy theory.
But it makes sense a lot.
If you go on, you'll see a lot of curated,kind of like Easy Lounge, kind of,
what do you call it?
Lo fi, house music with millions

(17:56):
of followers,millions of monthly listeners,
and they believe has been proven yetthat it is all AI generated music.
It's not even somebody's doing what you doand you spend hours making beats.
It is somebody making shitand it's literally hitting them.
AI beats, yeah, and they have.
And then they just push it outand they make 100% off the AI music,
because it's every so oftenI wish that hell was real.

(18:18):
It's like how fucked likeso that I could just be feel safe
knowing that those people are going there,you know what I mean?
Like, so you sit there in your house
for days, weeks, making one track,purposely not making cool shit you make.
I mean, I take a couple daysto make it beat or whatever,
like a couple nights like,I mean, maybe 8 to 10 hours,
two months out of 50 songsin the same amount of time,
and then they crush youbecause they are the platform.

(18:40):
So then they push out the numbers,they push it to the people, you know,
and it's just like,okay, I'm yo, I'm Daniel, okay?
I'm just fading into the background.
And though they're here,along with the other 80 billion Daniels
that are trying to make beats, right.
It's so that is coming.
And yes, yet again,apparently it has been proven yet.
But if you just look at it,it's like generic titles.
There's no artist base or anything,just generic pictures, I guess.

(19:01):
I guess part of what I do is like when I'm using kind
of barely Spotify,I only use it for when I'm at work.
I throw on playlists. Right.
And that's part of what they sayabout, like, music business
is that you want to put on what they callpassive playlists, right?
or passive musicor whatever that you could put on.
Basically, it's not a guy rapping at you.
It's not a like heavy metal bandplaying and same shit.
It's just some background music,of course.

(19:23):
And that is what generatesthe hours and hours of play.
Right?So those lo fi playlists are huge, right?
Those times that people want to study to.
Right. But that whole thing. So.
It is a giant industry, but I can seepeople just being like, well,
there doesn't have to be much humanityin it, you know?
Right.
And I mean, like at the end of the dayon elevator music in the background
and I'm not. Yeah.

(19:43):
It's just it'sit sucks for the little guy
trying to do somethingand take on something.
And then music is so good.
Are you kiddingme? Is completely fucked. You.
They ruined like the industryis, is a joke.
Nobody can make money off music.
No record labels can't.
Nobody can.
Yeah, you have to be even Spotify.
Can't you have.
You have to.You know, it's what they aren't.
And that's what they're doing.

(20:03):
And woven into the ground.
They basically like minimize the worth ofof music and just made it nothing.
Basically you have to likethe musicianship is gone.
What you have to dois basically be a personality first.
Yes, it on the social media, it's
got to be a radio following that,a following through social media.
And that's just the beginning.
Why follow one guywhen you could follow a different guy
who's more interesting, right? Like,who cares then?

(20:24):
Oh, I'm saying,and he has a million followers.
Okay, I like this guy.Let's let's give him a chance.
You have to basically be, you canact things, and I hope I try to do that.
That's what I'm saying. I'm.
Maybe I'm not the majority, butwhen I go to put Spotify on, I'm clicking.
I'm typing people's names and shit.
I'm not like,
oh, you know, Japanese,lo fi or whatever,
even though that is some cool shitif I actually, you know, what?
If I'm trying to write, if I'm trying to,like, write beats on my arm, excuse me?

(20:46):
Write rhymes on my phone, like,while I'm at work.
Kind of chilling in the early morningsand stuff, but it's not that busy.
I'll put on
just instrumental, like Japanese beatsusually attached to somebody's name.
Like usuallyit's like by so-and-so, right?
So I mean, I don't know, I'mjust all we can do is our best.
We're constantly being fucking fooledand having the wool pulled over our eyes.
The internet is just up a giant facadeand we have to become like,

(21:08):
I think people never.
We used to worry that politicianswere lying to us and stuff,
and we had a strong suspicionthat we were being lied to all the time.
But now it's pretty muchwith the internet.
Everybody's just like even kids and stuff.
Like,you can't take anything at face value.
You can see something with your own eyesand hear it with your own ears
and look at it and be like,that's not real.
You know, like, that's not even real.
He's lying or they're lyingor that's a fake or that's a green screen,

(21:30):
you know what I mean?
Like, there's so many fucking waysthat special effects
like humanity has become incredibly goodat disguising and lying
to one another,
you know, to the pointof where we all believe it
and we think that everybodyhas these crazy lives and shit.
I don't know, I'm just ranting now,
but no, it's kind of wildwhere we kick it to dead horse dead.
But it's one of those thingswhich is a sad saying to you,
don't get with it,you're going to get fucked.
That's not the saying,but it's like if you're not with it,

(21:51):
you're behind it or something.
can't beat them. Join them.
I don't know if you watch this.
What I'm trying to say. Yes.
Yeah.
And it's one of those things, like,if you're not on the air
train,you're going to be left in the dust.
And in the western world on your littlemoral island of morality you got here.
So here's the soap box. It's so fucked.
But, well,I can't say I haven't fucked around with.
I just don't release anything from itand say, look what I did.

(22:13):
Yeah,you know what I mean? Like I fucked her.
I have thousands of eye pictureson my phone.
Just because it's kind of a fun thingto see what I can make it.
And you know what?And there is like, I'm not going to.
I'm not going to be the total boomerfor my album, you know?
Yeah, I'm not going to.
So like I wentwhen I went to schools on the cusp of
I not even out yet,but like I was in the future.
But it wasn't until I learned.
So I'm in school for graphic design, filmproduction and all that sort of stuff.

(22:34):
A lot like one of my whole courseswas basically just learning
the ins and outs of Photoshop and how muchthey streamlined a lot of shit.
Even just like removing a personfrom a picture
where you used to have the lassothe fuck out of it and shit.
Oh no. Yeah. It's insane.
You just literallyit's like detached human
and it pops it outand there might be this odd
little thing that you have to clean up,but it's like, wow.
And just like,
and there's just so many more differentthings

(22:54):
that'll create the forest
behind the guy where he was,you know, like for you out of averages.
And then I that's even crazy.
You can just I backgrounds,you can even expand background.
But it was like what I'm notthis is not an Adobe ad,
but I it just one of those thingswhere it's just like, yeah, it's a little
it's it was
it sucks a little bit where
I went to spend a lot of moneyfor this sort of thing,
and it's like a lot of the stuffthat I had to do the old fashioned

(23:16):
way is now getting basically implemented,that any old idiot could do it.
But at least you understand how it worksand you're just clicking magic buttons
that just work, right? At leastyou're like, know what you're doing?
I know how the card isput together. Yeah, right.
Yeah, which is fine.
Think that people like that
are going to be more necessaryin the future going forward,
because there's going to be such a sea ofAI that people are going to start
hunting for that human.

(23:36):
Like I said before, right.
The authentic,
you can get all the like, crazy AI musicpumped into the world that you want.
People are going to start wading throughit, going like, I don't want to hear it.
It's all I,I want something that's a real person,
you know, with a personalityattached to it
that I can actually get behindthat I think is cool,
that I feel likesupporting the depth. Yeah.
Why the fuck are people trying to, like,imagine, like we can create an AI podcast

(23:58):
that just went back and forth and like,people could read the script of that,
who the fuck is going to do that?
They want like, hey, you don't tell themwhat we're doing right now.
Yeah, yeah.
We're not even here.
I'm at work, actually,this is my bot that we got you.
well, program bot that we bought.
Yeah, man, it's kicking a dead horse dead.
But, so, yeah, that's.
I think it's beating a dead horse.
Well, yeah, I guess taking a dead horsedead is a different way of saying it,

(24:20):
I guess. So that's your way. Okay.
Excuse me. I was wrong,
I like that, I
like that kicking a dead horse deadjust to get a dead horse dead.
okay, so we're going to switchover the camera here.
I think our first ad is Adam Henry.
I'm sorry.I was gonna say I'd be so horrified
if I found a dead horse,I would not kick it.
Don't watch.
The Godfather.
Adam Henry is our.

(24:43):
Holy shit.
Dude, I think Adam. Henry.
Adam. Henry. Hoverbike.
Adam likes to have a regular Adamworking on those.
Is that what he's been doingin his garage?
Yep, yep. So that's our first sponsor.
so after this brief little ad,they don't really go
anywhere, like, back and forwardas far as I know.
They just hover up a little couple inches.Right? It's pretty good, though.
If you pedal fast enoughyou can get it to like, hover up a little.

(25:04):
Oh it's incrediblewhat he's managed to achieve.
Low impact.
exercise in between playingmetal music and, having a kid.
And we'll have him on the podcastone of these days.
Yeah, I saw him yesterday.I mean, we have him on right now
for actually, you know,what's really horrible?
There's a funny story,but it's not that funny.
he okay?
Yeah, he.

(25:24):
A couple days ago, he washe was having some health things
with his lungs and stuff and was like,you know what? Fuck it.
I'm just gonna stop smoking pot for, like,a week, right?
So he's like, usually just like me.
We've smoked togetherfor since we've known each other 20 years.
Whatever.
Yeah, yeah, millennia.
And we've just been smokers.Right? Fair enough.
And he decided he wants to take thisweek off or whatever.
I've just just to give his lungs a break.

(25:45):
Like, not to not be stoned or whatever.
And I was like, oh, I've got theseedibles, like, do you want to?
Because he's goingcamping on the weekend and stuff,
and he still wants to stay with thenot smoking. I'm like, cool, dude.
If you want to like take 1 or 2 of these,I brought out my capsules
that I have like edibles,
of different types of strains and stuffand was like,
if any of these piqued your interest,take one or whatever.
And he's like, oh, okay, sure,maybe I will.
And like so he took one at band practice.

(26:08):
When he got there,it was about 8 p.m.. Yeah. Yep.
He's leaving at like 11 at nightor whatever after band practice.
You know, fast forward,normal K2 peace episode.
He's like, man, that thingdidn't touch me like, it's crazy.
I can't believe the iron skillet rightthere. You're going to see.
He was ripped off his keister.He didn't feel it, right.
He's like, I fucking.
I just can't get it. I was like,what do you want?
Another one like I can give you?
He's like, nah, it's fine, it'sfine. I'll just see how it goes.

(26:29):
And whatever. I was like, okay,well let me know.
I know. And I told him the same thing.
I was like, yeah,I took like and it's true.
I took two, 100 milligram plus another150 milligram king slumber like I could.
Took a couple different.This is wild, right?
We take heroic doses, I was what to say?What the fuck is a 50?
A lot, 50s a lot for a lot of people.
Legally, you can only have tenin a package at the store.

(26:50):
Legally in the store,you can only have ten per package.
Damn, dude.
It could be five gummiesthat equal up to ten,
so they might be two milligrams each.
And that will get some people buzzedlike ten would probably.
David for me, the David Blaineyou just hovering up
like asending up behind a jet or something.
But like.
Whoa, whoa where's he going?
He's going to get him back down.

(27:11):
but but yeah.
So he, anyway, he
texted me about.
I went to the gym and stuff,and I got home,
went to bed, and I hop in bed, andI get this text, like, 120 in the morning.
He's like, dude, it's just hitting me now.And not in a good way.
And I'm like, oh, no.
Oh, like, I'm so sorry, dude.
He's like, yeah, this is crazy. Like,I feel horrible.
I was like,oh no, he had to get up, apparently

(27:32):
go for like a walk around his neighborhoodat like 2 a.m.
and like he's going to work in the morningand shit, dude,
he's like kidsthat get up at like six in the morning.
I'm like, oh my God, I feel so bad, dude.
I was like,oh no, because I took someone.
I felt like kind of like, okay.
Also, back
when I had a cold,I only ever take capsules
when I have a coldand I want to just wipe it out
and sleep through it, right, right.
So I was like, okay.

(27:52):
And I didn't really feel ittoo much either.
And I was thinking how weird?I didn't feel that much either.
I must have just
it must have just popped off,like while I was asleep or something.
And it just takes a while to hit,I don't know.
Either way.
He had a fucked up timeand then the next morning
he's like, I still feel weird, dude.
He was like eight in the morning. He'she's like, I still feel weird all the way.
Fast forward to the next band practice
the next night, he's like,I still feel fucked.
He didn't make it to the next bandpractice.

(28:13):
He stayed home last night.
He stayed home.
He's just like,I still feel like my anxiety is crazy.
Well, I felt so bad. That's nutty.
Well, thanks for sponsoring this episode,Adam Henry.
Even though our friend heretried to murder you,
we appreciate your share these messages.
Adam. Man, we have to apologize.

(28:33):
Hello.
Are we?
Can we get hair and makeup in herereal quick, or are we.
Oh, we're starting again. Excuse me.
We're good. Okay. Forget it.This is good as we can.
Get out here.You get it back behind the bush.
Come on.
Back behind that tree.
We got all our staff members behind trees.
You're all behind it.
See your foot chair? Yeah.
Come on. Jeremy.
Well, this glass right at this.
Okay, okay. We're back in. Okay. Thanks.

(28:55):
I'm here. We have to thank you very much.And, man, that guy can hover.
he did last night.
Yeah. You ever had that happen?
I almost had that happen. Yes. Okay. Okay.
I don't, because you're not. Really?
Yeah, you're you're, like,not a stoner. Get all right at all.
I've actually had a couple instancessometimes you asked me for, like,
maybe I'll have a little puffand I'm like, no, man, you're going to.
It'll end your night.
And you're like,That's John Cena's drinking or whatever.

(29:16):
Yeah,it just seems to be under the spectrum.
Not it's not appropriatesaying it just it messes me up. Yeah.
on the spectrum is that.
Yeah.
I think you're allowedto say the words on the spectrum.
Yeah, you probably can.
Yeah,but I don't think that you're allowed
to say that weedmakes you on the spectrum.
Yeah.
John Cena anyways, if this is what I'mtrying to say, I understand.
But yeah,
if like me up arms

(29:36):
and there's been a couple timesin high school
where I literally greened out,
like fell into like fell just blackoutlike into metal tanks, into rocks.
What into like, birdsjust walk off and fall into metal tanks.
Wait. Hang up around metal tension.
Hanging out at the junkyard.Getting hooked up our tree. Yeah, totally.
Yeah. No, it was like,my buddy second year, who's the one?
I was, going to

(29:57):
coincide your story with,
about the edibles, but it was justwe hit the bong in high school,
and I try and keep up
with those fucking teachers, and,I couldn't teachers, and I would like.
I would feel it,and I'd instantly know what's coming,
and I'd go off like a dying cat,and I would just like.
And then the first couple times I didn't,my friends know what was going on.
I just was trying to get fresh air.
So he had like a shed
that we would be hitting the beeand I would go out and just drop.

(30:19):
And he had like this, like gardenwith like a rock.
Oh, like. And I fall into it, hit my head.
And then he had a big waterexplaining a lot of stuff actually.
Yeah, I know man, that'swhy I can't remember sentences.
Kicking a dead dead horse. Yes.
and then.
Yeah. Anyway, so the edible thingI can relate to, it is the same thing.
One time he was he had a cookie.
This dude is also a kingtop heroic teacher,
stoner and he,gave me a piece of his, cookie.

(30:42):
And he's at the beach, so. Yeah.
Yeah, it's not that bad. And I had it.
Oh, no, you don't know what it isif it's a cookie.
Real strong that we had a couple beers,I was like, bucket, whatever.
It's an edible. Cares with the cookie,plus the beer.
Oh, dude.
And then it literally, like,when I was outside,
I was anxious when I was,we went back to his house.
I was full blown panic attack,but I kept I internalized it,

(31:03):
and then I, like a man, like a mad.
It's like. Does. Yeah.
yeah. I'm not going through hell rightnow. Get help.
Get help from people. That's.
And then I was like, literally so stoned,I was melting the couch.
I couldn't even get up to pee for hours.
I just held on to it.
It was literally mental and physical pain.
It was nuts. Yeah.
I couldn't I couldn't do it.

(31:24):
I just couldn't do it.
It was absolutely nutty and horrible.Yeah.
It's terrible.
I hope I never get so highI can't be. Yeah, it's.
I, I mean, it's one of those thingswhere, like, I don't do it.
It was a probably it wasprobably not huge, but it was pretty good.
It was probably a pretty good dose,something I'm definitely not used to.
If I ever give you any weed, I'm goingto get you to go to the bathroom first.
Set camp for medical safety.

(31:45):
Yeah, totally.
okay.
Well, I have, one more story that I wantto, Well, one more kind of cool story.
It's another, artist.
What do you call those,
contemporary artists?
performance art. Performance art. Okay.
His name is Christopher Lee burden.
Have you heard of him?
Nope. He's
an American artist working in performanceart, sculpture and installation art.

(32:06):
So I'm gonna read a bit of an interviewhere.
I'll have breaks, obviously.
Well.
Or, like, it's
just going to be a little bit of a thingwhere you do that sweet background music.
There it is.
And, obviously
we'll rap about and stuff like that,but it's it's pretty crazy, dude.
So and the listening time, folks,the focus your noticias folks,
the notice this interview that I gotis actually done by Roger Ebert.

(32:29):
So you know who that is?The two thumbs up Roper.
Yep, yep.
And he from back from May 25th, 1975.
So this interview was done.
Was that 50 years ago? Almost.
So that's new news.
New news.
It's actually just him talkingto the dude that he died.
Not like I don't know in the 2000s,but it's, really dripping.
He tripped on a deadhorse. Egypt on a dead horse.

(32:52):
Anyway, that's what got him.
Okay, so at 8:20 p.m., The Body artistChris Burdon
entered a large galleryof the Museum of Contemporary Art.
Did not look at his audienceof 400 or more.
Set a clock for midnightand lay down on the floor
beneath a large sheet of plate glassthat was angled against the wall.
So began on April 11th,a deceptively simple

(33:13):
piece of conceptual artthat would eventually involve
the imaginationsof thousands of Chicagoans.
Chicagoanssure, who had never heard of Burton,
would cause the museumto fear for Burton's life
and would end at a time, and in a waythat Burton did not remotely anticipate.
The piece began, in a sense, a monthearlier when I was interviewing Burton.

(33:33):
This is Roger Deaver at the ArtsClub of Chicago in the contemporary sorry.
And the company ofI released the museum's curator
at the time, Burton had just completeda piece in a New York art gallery
that involved his living for three weekson a triangle platform
set so highagainst one of the gallery's walls
that no one could see for sureif he was really up there.
He took no nourishmentexcept celery juice.
So this is his first thing.So no nourishment?

(33:55):
Yeah. Celery juice.
I heard that urban legend that celeryjuice can sustain you for a while, but
I guess better.
Better than nothing. Like.
I mean,
nothing is not going to sustain you,so maybe
celery juice has a slightly better chanceof helping you.
And you must have been,
because, I mean, like,it was just so high that people were like,
I wonder if that dude's doing up there,if he's even there,

(34:15):
or he's just not there.
It's just taking his place in far enoughaway.
And people just, like,kind of like ours less worried. Yeah.
He was like ten feet away. They'd be like,hey, that guy's right there.
And he looks real hungry.
Yeah, but he's up way up top.
Yeah, he's probably up there still.I don't even know for sure.
He probably climbed down in the night.
People just working below him. Yeah.
The piece had been spooky. Mystical?
Burton was sayingthere had spooky, mystical Burton.

(34:38):
There had been something in
you're reading
for some of the visitors to the gallery,and the notion
that a human presence was up therein the shadows, under the ceiling,
not speaking,not doing anything, just waiting.
Some of the visitors visitorstried to take running jumps up the wall
and attempt to see Burton,
or a hand, or a shoe,or a couple of eyeballs in the darkness.
Others took it on trust that he was there.
Burtonheard one young man telling his friend

(34:58):
that the feeling in the gallerywas almost spiritual.
He can hear us and he doesn't answer,but he can't help listen.
But listen. It's like a god.
Burton had been invited to Chicagoto participate in
an exhibition ofconceptual art at the Museum.
Early that morning, he visited the gallerywhere he'd be performing, and now
at lunch, he said he wasn't sure yetwhat he would do, but he had a few ideas.

(35:21):
Would it be fair?
I relished to ask, to ask for some roughestimate of how long this piece might
last.
No, Burton said, it wouldn't.
A piece lasting 45 seconds might be richerthan one lasting two hours.
It's like the the museum owner was like,can I get a ballpark?
How long you plan on being here?
And he's like, you may not know, evenI do not know such things.
And he dove down on the guydressed as Batman.

(35:43):
We plowed him into the floorwith his knee.
Okay. Shit. That's. I'm always listening.
Holy shit.
Holy fuck.
Right. I think he's up there. Someone'strying to steal a painting.
Look, I hey, hey, burglar, I see.
Yeah, they're actually getting burgled.Yeah, I see you.
I see you just, like, watch everything.
What are you picking onme, Batman ends in here.

(36:06):
It's fucking just my luck, I got him,I got him with celery juice.
Yeah. That's cool. That's hilarious.
Let's build my coffee in the PercyDumbledore and rest stop.
I would have been disrespectful again.
Yeah. Tim Hortons, this is nutrients.
I think because he's Canadian
trim, Norton trim. Norton.
the exercise guy.
Anyway, one of our sponsors.

(36:26):
That's right.
Leach said that there might be a problemif some of the museum's members
arrived a few minutes lateand the piece was already over.
While Burnside, he couldn't pleaseall the people all the time.
And it was at that moment that the ideaof the April 11th performance came to him.
The talk at the luncheonmoved on to some of Burton's
earlier pieces, and inevitably,the poor performance

(36:47):
by which he earned his master'sthesis at the University of California.
He had himself locked into a lockingmeasure two by three by three feet
for five days.
There was a five gallon jug of waterin the locker above him, and an admirable
logic an empty five gallonpiece had spread over the Krampus campus.
What are you saying? Up five.

(37:07):
So, okay, be spread over the campus.
Sorry, sorry.
Yeah.
A five gallonjug of water in the locker above him.
And with admirable logic, an empty fivegallon container in the locker below him.
Oh, yeah. Sorry.
yeah.
It's so admirable what you need.
It's a urinal. Yeah. Yes.
word of the piecehad spread all over the campus.

(37:28):
Sorry. I jumped down, too.
He wasn't so high,he couldn't be. And I said Krampus, too.
So guess that also threwsomething else in there.
Yeah.
Mythical Christmas demon. Yeah.
where did the pieces spread?
All over the campus.
And hundreds of students had come to talkto him through the lockers grill work.
One of the beauties of the piece,Brian said,
was that of course, he had to listen.

(37:48):
I was a box with ears and a voice
as, he's like,finally someone to test my new raps on.
Oh, that's it, I'm getting down. Yeah.
Fuck this shit. Isthis is this good? Yeah, it's this good.
He's like, let me out, let me out,let me the fuck out. Yeah.
That's awesome.
sing for him.
No, not
just like a little tweezers.
I'm not a bad man. Fly away.

(38:10):
I knew it was a lie.
on another occasion, Burtonhad himself manacled.
Is that a word?
Shackled.
Manacled with brass ringsto a concrete floor,
flanked by two buckets of waterwith live electric wires in them.
The audience was admitted and trustednot to knock over a bucket and electrocute
the artist.
I had absolute face, faiththat they wouldn't, Burton said.

(38:31):
After all, I'm not suicidal.
Okay?
For other works, Burton had himselfnailed to the roof of Volkswagen
and shot in the arm with a rifle.
It was supposed to be for fun.
Yeah, just for the shotwas supposed to be a graze,
but the marksman missedand shot him in the arm.
But then the alternativeis just being great, I don't know.
Yeah, that's right, it is.

(38:52):
I mean, whatever, he's kind of depressing.
Let's see, I do that.
Yeah, exactly. Motherfuckers.That's right.
these more violent piecestended to attract more attention,
he said, but some of his quieter pieceswere perhaps more interesting.
The idea in conceptual art
is that the artist causes experiencesto happen to himself,
and then ruminates on the interactionbetween the self and the experience.

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An audience may be permitted to observe,but is not essential.
When he returned to Chicago in April,Burton told the museum he would require
the large industrial style clock,the sheet of plate glass and nothing else.
The clock was fastened to the walland the sheet glass was leaning against it
at a 45 degree angle.
When the museum's doorsdoors were opened at 8 p.m.,
an unusually largecrowd filled in, attracted
perhaps by public publicity about Burton'sprevious performances.

(39:37):
There was a slight carnival atmosphere.
The tone was muted somewhat
because of a large number of spectatorswho were seriously interested in body art,
but all the same, a definitefeeling existed in the room that some
people had come to see blood.
At 820, Burton entered the
gallery, set the clock for midnight,and laid down under the glass.
He was wearing a navy bluesweater and pants and jogging shoes.
He let his hands rest easily at his sideand looked up at the ceiling, blinking.

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Occasionally, he could not see the clock.
The audience perhaps expected more.
There was a pregnant period of silenceabout ten minutes,
and when at the end of it,nothing else had happened,
there was a few loud
whistles and sporadic outburstsof clapping burning, not react.
At various timesduring the next two hours,
audience members tried to approach Burton
with advice, greetings, exhortationsand a red carnation.

(40:21):
They were politely but firmly kept awayby the museum attendants.
A girl threw her brassiere at the glass.
It was taken away by a smiling guard
at 10:30 p.m.
when I left, the crowd had dwindled downto perhaps 100.
I came back to the Sun-Times to write amildly quizzical article, and then called
Eileen Volcanoes, the museum's publicist,to ask if Burton was still on the floor.

(40:42):
Yes, yes, she said, it'sa really strange scene here.
Right now, there's about 40 people leftand they're all very quiet.
Burton doesn't move.
It was more like a circus before,but now it's more like a shrine.
Very mysterious and beautiful.
I filed the storywith a pre-written editor's note at fill
in the time of day, Chris Burtonand his ended his self-imposed vigil.
The editor's note was never to run home.

(41:04):
I left to meet friends for a drinkand we talked about Burton
and what he was up to.
There was the suggestion that there was
that this was another of his dangerpieces, that eventually someone
would become impatient enough to throwsomething at the plate glass and break it.
Burton's and mobility was imputed,an invitation of violence toward himself.
Nobody had a better idea.
The room was crowded and happy and noisy,but I felt that my thoughts
were being pulled back to the vast, emptygallery, with the sheet glass leaning

(41:27):
against one wall.
At 1:15 a.m., I went to a pay telephoneand called Ali, she said.
Burton was still on the floor.
I said, the hell with itand drove back downtown to the museum.
Burton had not moved to the museum.Guards still remained.
One of them.
Herman Peoples, would become so involvedin the piece that he would
voluntarily share the vigil with Burton,trying not to leave until it was over.
There was a television reporter

(41:49):
sitting on a mat of foam rubber,and a young couple who left.
Soon after I arrived,two banks of spotlights
illuminated Burton against the wall,and the other lights had been turned out.
A Zafonic, nude by GastonLarches, lounged in the shadows
set against a Zaf tig nude, I guess.
Zafonic. What's that?
I don't know, it's either the name or, German word by Gaston Le Lounge.

(42:14):
So there's an art piece.
Oh, and some dude on a.I guess he was an art piece in the museum.
Okay. Kind of in the shadows in the back.
Oh, I see, okay. Yeah.
He doesn't move.
Except for what looks likeisometric flexing.
Alien Balkan said he flexes his fingerssometimes,
and once in a whileyou can see his toes flexing.
Burton seemed removed to a great distance.He was not asleep.
There was no way to tellif he was in a meditative trance,

(42:36):
or a hypnotist hypnotized himself,or was fully aware of his surroundings.
After an hour,I left very quietly, as if from church.
The next day I plannedto drive down to Urbana, but before I left
I called the museum.It was noon. Burton's still not moved.
The museum said 15 hours and 40 minutes
during the drive downstate,my thoughts kept returning to him.
I wondered what he was thinkingand how he felt, and if he was thirsty

(42:57):
and if he had to piss.
The radio stationshad picked up on the piece by now,
and we're inserting progress reportson the newscast.
Disc jockeys are finding the whole thinghilarious.
On Sunday, driving back to Chicago,
I stopped at the Standard Oiltruck stop in Gilman to call the museum.
Burton had not moved the time was 230,
42 hours and ten minutes.
Jesus, I just laying there for 42 hoursunder this 45 degree glass and the clock.

(43:21):
Jesus.
I came into the office where I learnedthat I released the other museum
authorities were consulting specialists
to determinewhether Burton's life was in danger.
A urologist said no one could go morethan perhaps 40 hours
without urinating and not risk your
whatever piss poisoning
Burton had hadn't had anything to drink,but that was not a problem at the moment.
Apparently, since he was not exercising,
he would not dehydrate dangerouslyin only two days.

(43:46):
Fucking his. Called a little before 6 p.m.
the piece ended at 520. She said 45 hours.
We felt a moral obligationnot to interfere
with Burton's intentions,but we felt we couldn't
stand and allow him to seriouslyphysically harm himself.
There was a possibilityhe was in such deep trends
that he didn't have control over his will.
We decided to place a pitcher of water
next to his headand see if he would drink from it.
The moment we put the water down,Chris got up, walked into the next room,

(44:07):
returned with a hammer and an envelope,and smashed the clock, stopping it.
What a showman
he's like.
Finally, they put the water downso I can do the next part. Yeah.
Fuck what I take you guys so long.
Oh fuck the envelope.
This is the last part, I promise.
This is a lot longer than I thought,but it's pretty repeated. Read

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the envelope.
Sealed contain Burton's explanation.
The piece it consistedhe had written on of three elements
the clock, the glass, and himself.
The piece would continue,he said, until the museum staff acted
on one of the three elementsby providing the picture of water.
They had doneso I was really was waiting for it.
Yeah. It was. That's crazy.
I was prepared to lie in this positionindefinitely, he continued.

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The responsibility for ending the piecerested with the museum staff,
but they were always unaware of thiscrucial aspect.
The piece had been doomed, well, doomed.
The idea
for this piece, Burton explained, later,had come during lunch with Leach.
I thought if he's concerned abouthow long the piece will be, I do a piece
in which he has completecontrol over the length.
Wait a fucking uno.

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Reverse it.
Yeah, my God, I said.
All we had to do was end it ourselves.
And we thought the rules of the piecerequired us to do nothing.
During the 45 hours,
Burton had been in psychological danger,perhaps, but not in physical danger.
He had urinated,
but the museum's staff had not notedthe signs of his navy blue dungarees.
Oh, so he did pee. He did pee itself.

(45:30):
Yeah, yeah.
Bah bah bah.
He had been thirsty and hungry, Burtonsaid, and he had been completely conscious
at all times,except for some fleeting periods of sleep.
He had not used a self-imposedtransfer, yoga or anything else
except self-discipline to keep himselflying there.
I thought perhaps the piece would lastseveral hours, Burton said.
I thought maybe they'd come up and say,okay, Chris, it's 2 a.m.

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and everyone gone home and the guardsare on overtime and we had to close up.
That would have ended the pieceand I would have broken the clock
recording the last time
on the first night, when I realizedthey weren't going to stop the piece,
I was pleased and impressed
that they had placedthe integrity of the piece ahead
of the institutional requirementsof the museum.
On the second night, I thought, My God,don't they care anything at all about me?

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Are they going to leave me hereto die? Yeah, and that's that's the end.
That's pretty funny.
Holy shit. Hell, yeah. Oh, man.
Well done, that guy.
Oh, I was gonna say something about that
at one point,but I forgot anyway, whatever.
That that is crazy.
oh. What I was going to sayis, I wonder if, like,
I, he didn't mention it, so probably not.
But I feel likeif you had a ticking clock,
it would be easier to do the meditationthat focuses on an object.

(46:33):
Have you ever heard of that?
Nope. Okay.
So when you're meditating,there's different ways to meditate.
You can just think of nothing.You can completely empty your mind.
And that's a lot of timesthe way people do it.
But there's also object meditationwhere you can just basically take an item
like a rock or a gem,or just a crystal or an apple or whatever
the hell you want, just an item,and then you put it down there,

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or you hold it or whatever,and you just contemplate it
and you only focus on itonly only in the world.
You put everythingexcept for whatever that item is,
and it's a way you could do it.
So imaginethis guy has to pass a bunch of time.
He's very bored and he's like fighting
against his own bodyand his needs and stuff.
And if you had that clock there,not only could you keep track of time
for the peoplewho are looking at the art piece,

(47:15):
but also maybe the ticking could kind ofhelp you focus if it was making any noise,
it could help you focus
and just completely meditateand walk into just the object.
Right?
So I feel like that'swhat I would have to do
if I was going to tryand do some crazy shit like that.
I'd have to like, okay, how are we goingto get through this mentally?
Yeah, more than anything,I think beats over the ticking clock.
Yeah, exactly. So I can.
Yeah.
Yeah. Exactly. Something.

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Right.
Yeah. Oh.
And Yeah.
No that's that's,that's exactly what I would do too.
I try and stuff.
Yeah. Camera.
Cheers.
have a good one. yeah.
No not upset.
But the thing that I really ampleased about this dude
is that like a lot of these artists,which is fair artists are crazy

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and obviously are just a different breed,
but there's so many like,oh, man, look at me.
I'm a deep, tortured individual and I'mso this dude actually had some humanity
and sensewhere he's like, he's not like, yeah,
I was willing to sit thereand prepare to die,
and I was going to die for my artand let me be pissed himself for that.
But but nobody.
Well, but he also was like,oh my God, he actually.

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Being like my quarter.I think it's just gonna let me die.
Holy shit.
Like most people would stand up.
Yeah. I'm like this. Like this.
Had some realism to it.
Like, he's like, he wasn't just like adeep, brooding soul that's like that.
Oh, I just left it on the torture.
Yeah. Torture, pain, all of that.
It's like he actually was just like,fuck, man.
I'm a little scared.
Like, what if I thought they wouldstop this bloody.
Oh, well.And then he committed to the betterment.

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Yeah.
So anyways, that's, I kind of like that,performance art stuff.
It's crazy.And I respect the hell out of it for sure.
Me too. it's
I don't know,
it's I yeah, I think probably I mean,my first thought is, how could I do that?
You know, like,I think everybody thinks that, like,
could I put myself through thatand look at
why would I be able to handle thisor even part of this?
I would be so fucking bored, man. I.

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But once you're in it,
I feel like you'd be able to handle a lotmore than you think.
Right.
And I mean, especially if it is gettingpublished, publicized or publicity.
Sorry.
I would hazard a guess that, you know,like, oh, fuck, now I have.
Do I look like a pussy?
Yeah, like I've noticed I've noticed that,you know, there's things in our,
our bodies that we can overrideif there's enough people watching, right?

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So I'm like, damn, dude.
I remember my first experience withthat was like I said, you know, I've done
push ups and shit when I was youngerand everything, and I was like,
when I was young, I don't know,like 15 years old trying to work out.
And, you know, see how many push upsyou could do type thing.
And then I could do a certain amount.And then in gym class.
Yeah.
When we were doing push ups,I noticed that

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because everybody was watching,I was able to do way more push chin ups.
I did the same, like really fast, like,oh shit, there's like 20 kids
watching me right now and everybody,and it's important or whatever.
Like suddenly I can plow throughthese push ups, no problem.
So when you're by yourself,there's no one watching.
You don't really have to be pushed.
And then suddenlythere's like a crowd of people.
It's like, well, I better do it.And then you can actually.
Yeah, yeah, you can accomplish crazylike my liver matter stuff.

(50:07):
Right? 100%, dude.
And that's one of the things where likebut yet again,
it's like the impressive part about ittoo, is that it's not like he started out
being publicized.
He did a lot of this crazy shitwith nobody watching.
And he didn't care.
He doesn't.
Yeah, he was doing experiments kind of.
And he was saying that like,
the audience is not an essential partof this experiment. Right.
It's between him, the clock and the glassand then whomever else,

(50:28):
like the staff of the museum ratetheir policy.
He's like testinghow far the bureaucracy will let him go.
Yeah.
You know, and that's for someone who hasto say, hey, this is like a liability.
We can't.
And I love how, how,
how, like, I guess when really he triedto, like, preserve the art.
Yeah. Like, let him do it.
It was like he had to get to the, thelike the meeting initially to to be like

(50:51):
with the, with the curator and being like,hey, I'm doing a piece here.
Well, how long is it?Well, I'm not going to tell you.
And then he literally was just like,okay, well.
And they're like, okay.And the jump over here. Yeah.
It's like,well you we kind of need to know.
And then he's like, well,I'm sitting beside this or behind this.
Do you think he had to be likean established person first,
or could he just show up and be like,hey, I'm doing this.

(51:12):
That's that's just it.
Like with any crazy maniac, be like, I'man artist off of the street
and just walk in and be like,I'm going to do something here.
You have to make a compelling argumentlike, hey, I have this grandfather
clock and pane of glass in my truck,and I'm not an insane person.
Yeah, I'm actually doing art, actually,like out of my mind or on drugs
or anything right now.
I'd be crucified to a Volkswagen.
See, I'm not crazy.

(51:32):
I do shit like this all the timeand totally normal for me to.
Yeah. It's okay. You're gonna. You're not.You're not losing it.
You're right. I'mletting this man shoot me in the arm.
That was a mistake. But anyway,
Scratch that.
Never mind. Yeah, yeah.
he's he's getting shot.
Like, doesn'tthis guy even care about my arm?
I can't believe he really shot at my arm.
How dare you do that?

(51:53):
Oh, my God, he's just amazed thateveryone else will go through with it.
His experiments. He's like,people really like this art thing.
Hey, looks like you do crazy shit.
That's amazing. Yeah.
So anyways, that's a pretty,
Good. Yeah. Ripping.
Good dude. Ripping. Good read.
We got to get, my friend Colby on.
He wanted to talk about a problem of it.
Yeah.
Every name is Ava or whatever.
Her name was a Myla from me.
Oh. Well, dude,why why can't I remember anything?

(52:15):
Me neither. Okay, I'm having to forgetwhat name you remember.
Anything like I seeI have weed to blame at least.
man, I have just crippling.
Oh. You're fucked.
You have weed to blame too.You fell in the garden.
Hit your head. Yeah, yeah, I told you.
All right. This is all. Yeah.This is all weeds fault.
Rock the water tank, dude hit my heada couple of times now.
The weed industry haven't sent, ninjas after me just yet to to kill me

(52:37):
because I outed them last podcastabout their THC levels in the bushes.
Yeah, I think it's Mia Abramovic.I think that's great.
Mia and I it. Yes.
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Speak for yourself.
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