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(00:00):
What up? Daniel?
Hello? Hello.
I'm just,I gotta say, I'm not ready. When?
Right now. I'm ready.
Yeah, I just sprung that on you.
Okay. Perfect.
Geez.
I'm just telling peopleI'm about to podcast,
but I'm not actually about to podcast.
I'm currently now podcasting,so I just know that somebody hold on here.
Okay. No. We're good.
So I'm just gonna interject the episode.
It's going to turn it on to to silentbecause my, my homie is trying to trying
(00:23):
to write a bunch of,
trying to think of a name for our,for our hip hop group,
the two of us,when we go to perform. Right.
Where he's sending, like, 30 names
per minute, like, it'sjust like he's like this one.
How about this one?
How about these just thrown, like,
spaghetti at the wallto see what sticks or what?
And so this phone will not stop vibrating.
(00:44):
You can't take.
So I got a hip hop group and,play like you play a fish.
That's my name.
Play, play. Yeah.
Wait, so, Philly.
Okay. Yeah. That.
And then,the homie that I'm doing with his name's
Tab, is, CEO.
That's his rap name is CEO.
Like, he's like the star enterprise.So when you put it together,
(01:06):
play CEO.
Okay.
You can't take that.
Okay. Damn it. Can't I take my.
Leave me out?
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, that's that's my. All right.
You could have,but I meant mine is going to be like,
you know, on on the, on the Navyor like on a ship.
You have the chief officer, right?The CEO. Right. Yeah.
(01:27):
Oh, that would have been way better.I would have been.
That's the one I'm going to take.
They have it ruined. Yeah.
Oh man.
We're going to rap battle.
It's going to be full a CEOand then fill a CEO.
And I'll be making fun of howyour name has the extra syllable.
You be like, fuck you, man, be so mad.
Leaveabout won't even be able to rap anymore.
We almost had it.
Yeah, this is so going down 2026, 2046.
(01:50):
We'll see you that big rap battle.
Yeah. No.
Okay. Continue. Sorry,I kind of derail you. What? We didn't.
We just started.Hey, how's it going, everybody?
Thanks for joining in.Whatever this was. Yeah.
So I'm going to introduc the episode.
I said that our introduce introducethe episode.
It's going to be, mysterious mysteries.
(02:11):
So it's extra mysterious.
Yeah. Okay.
Yeah.
Of of the mysterious varietythat we don't know about.
An enigmatic tale that I mean, wonder
and cold.
It's, no celebrity actresses.
Female.
So it's only females. Female actresses?
Yes. That.
(02:32):
So this is from the redundant departmentof the Redundancy Department.
I think
all these things just overexplaincelebrity, and they're famous.
Okay,
well, at least
it's an actressthat's also a woman and female.
In this instance,I'm, like, writing a report.
I'm just trying to jam as many words in.
Yeah, you're.
We're just flying up.
(02:54):
And they all died or
mysteriously vanishedmysteriously right at the moment.
They stopped living and disappeared.
Okay. Sorry.
Good.
You're getting an A-plus for sure. Yeah.
Anyways,so I've got a list of a few celebrities
actresses,but it's like they're not actresses.
Some of them are just, like, famous.
(03:16):
What's the list about them? What?
All these women are famousand they disappeared.
Okay, that's the disappearances of famous.
Okay, okay.
Have you been inducted?
I'm inducted into the intothis hall of wondering
and enigmas and questions and mysteriesshrouded in riddles.
Okay. Fuck.
All right.
But, so do you think youwant to, get into before.
(03:39):
Oh, man, I should have hit the key.
I should have a few things.
We put this whole thing on pause.
Now that we just interrupted it.
I want to let tennis real quick,but then we'll come back to this.
No. Go ahead, go ahead. What's up?
Okay, so a coffee from thethese are my friends mugs.
Yeah.
Slurp loudly into the microphonejust to make sure you're listening.
(04:01):
Yeah.
All right.
So. Okay, I actually made a big list.
Good.
And it had males on it, too.
Okay. Of the other sexual variety.
Who cares about that? That.
But we're going females today, so,the first one
that we're going to be talking aboutis Tammy Lynn Leopard.
(04:21):
She was like, the first sentencethat I read is like, kind of weird.
Kenny LynnLeopard was an uncommonly beautiful child.
Is that weird? Is that fine?
I don't know, sure.
Uncommonly beautiful child they wrote.
Yeah,this is Unsolved mysteries.com. Okay.
She entered her first year.
Just a weird, just weird sentence.
(04:42):
I don't even know. Okay.
Go ahead, keep going.
Just. It seems like a weird wayto put it. Very weird.
Yes. Yeah.
She entered her first beauty, Crawley.
She entered her first beauty contestwhen she was just four years old.
By the age of 16,she had already competed in more than 300
beauty contests and had taken home280 crowns.
Her mother, Linda Curtis, a theatricaland modeling agent, guided Tammy's career.
(05:04):
You, a 280 crown out of 300.
That's pretty good.
That's so many events.
Yeah. What do I 16?
Yeah. Oh, by 16. Still no.Holy crap. What?
So an entire life of just being, like,created into an object 100%.
And I'm going.
I'm sure she wasn't modeling at the womb.
So let's say eight.
(05:24):
So natural. She was uncommonly beautiful.
The infant should be a modelfor the doctor anyway.
Just the narrator's been knownsince birth. Yeah.
This is her mom talking.
I was constantly busy
running her around to where she had to goand what she had to do, and I enjoyed it.
I enjoyed watching her excelbecause she would always went for the best
that she could, go for the highest level.
Because that's what you made her do.
(05:45):
Yeah.You think she just decided that anyway?
So yeah. No, 100%. Yeah,that was the 80s. It was a different time,
Wing Flanagan was a close wing.
Flanagan. That's a cool name.
Yeah. Was a close family friend.
He and Tammy were like brother and sister.
She was an uncommonly beautiful child.
You're like her brother, man.
Is that what he said? No. Yes. Oh, yeah.
(06:07):
Wing Flanagan, hazy real name.
Wing. Yeah. On the record.
Could you just call me wing, please?
Oh, well, this is wing Flanagan.
The name has not been alteredto protect his identity.
Wow. Okay.
But, she would.
Okay.
She would bend overand kiss me on the cheek,
(06:28):
and I couldn't quite everget it completely off.
It was rather embarrassingto walk around with this mark.
I think, actually,I learned to wear it proudly after a while
because it was almost like a statussymbol.
Thanks, wing. That's what wing said.
Okay, bend over and kiss me.
In July of 1982, Tammy landed a part onthe teen exploitation film Spring Break.
When the movie completed filming, Tammywent unchaperoned to a weekend party.
(06:49):
She came back a different person.
According to wing, Tammy's behaviorbegan to take on paranoid overtones.
Sometimes I'd ask her
what was on her mind,if anything was bothering her,
and she usually change the subject,or she'd say, oh, nothing, you know?
Then try to laugh it off
from wing's mouth. Yeah.
According to her mother, Linda eventhought someone was trying to kill her.
(07:10):
Then she said, mom,what would you say if I told you
somebody was trying to kill me?
I just took a deep breath and I said,
do you think someone's trying to kill you,Tammy?
She said, yes.
Then her mom was just like,okay, well, cool.
And then walked awayinto a different room.
Yeah, yeah, well, that's what you think,I guess.
Yeah. Yeah.
Crazy job.
Must be terrifying to think that.
Anyway,
(07:31):
a steady retreat into isolationsoon followed for Tammy.
Linda and wing had no way of ascertainingwhich of Tammy's fears were real
and which were paranoid delusions.
After two weeks of virtual seclusion,Tammy Tammy Lynn
was offered a small part in the big budgetAl Pacino film Scarface,
which began shooting in Miamiin March of 1983.
She stayed with a family friend,Walter Leibowitz.
(07:53):
Lev Level, something Jewish
level with sea level, whatever.
According to Walter.
All wentwell until the fourth day of filming.
I received a callfrom the casting director
to tell methat Tammy had a breakdown on the set.
They said that it was a scene
where somebody was supposed to be shotand had artificial blood spurt out,
and they said when Tammy was watchingthe scene, she started crying hysterically
(08:14):
and it got so badthat they had to take her to a trailer.
She was in a tremendous stateof fear, anxiety, what it was
that caused this great fear in her,I don't know.
When I spoke with Tammy's mother,I told her that
she should take Tammy to a doctorand also take her to the police
to find out what the problemwas psychologically,
or if there was some basis, in fact,that someone
was actually trying to kill herand getting to the bottom of it.
(08:36):
So, I mean, yeah, she probably triedto get to the bottom of it.
Yeah.
Either she's really afraid because of hermental state and that needs addressing.
Yeah.
Or it's founded in realityand that really needs addressing.
So what are they doingnot addressing any of this anyway.
Maybe the timeline is just
hysterical.
Yeah.
She's just crazy bitches being crazybitches, you know, you're always
(08:58):
dragging me off to one of your pageantsagain, trying to. God,
I don't mind going.
I don't mind taking youto all these things, but whatever.
Eight year old, Tammy Lynn quit the filmand went back home at her mother's
insistence,Tammy did talk to the local sheriff,
but apparently never mentionedthat she felt her life was in danger.
Even with her family. Tammy'sparanoia ran rampant.
(09:18):
According to wing, Tammy was now convincedthat someone was trying to poison her.
There were good daysand there were bad days.
There were dayswhen she was almost normal,
and there were other dayswhen she was really edgy.
Man, these people sound like idiots.
Yeah,
I don't know.
It's just like any normal personwho's dealing with a teenager,
it's like there were dayswhere she wouldn't
even come out of her room, like, yeah,that sounds like a teenage girl.
(09:41):
Yeah, like, but it's okay, you know?
But, I mean, she's terrified,and they're not taking her seriously.
I don't know,I really don't know what's going on here.
Sounds like the mom is trying her best.
From the last comment,
I guess it's easier said than doneand especially 2020 hindsight,
but yeah, yeah.
I mean, if my daughter was likesomebody trying to kill me, I'd be like,
okay, I'd do a little bitmore than just be like,
(10:02):
okay, this is all being overshadowedby how distracting this man's name is.
Wing. But
like, we can barely keep
this fucking cartoon character of a guywith, like, a bowler hat
when crying again.
Here I am again.
I mean, I'mjust here to try and help my family.
Friends?
Like, why don't you have your own businessto tend to win?
(10:22):
Oh, what the hell's wingsshort for, anyway?
Go on. That's all there is.
On July 1st, Tammy finally snapped.
She began smashing all the windowsin her house and started attacking wing.
It was at the moment that Linda knewsomething was seriously wrong
with her daughter,because who would attack Wing Flanagan?
No one saying that'swhat they actually take her
seriously, which he beats up wing. Yeah.
(10:45):
This is wing talking.
I handled the incident, but I didn't knowwhere in the face to slam
was a different time.
Oh, you act like I wouldn't do it. Yeah.
I'm good wing flying again.
I'm from 1934 anyway.
Go ahead.
Sorry. Fuck.
I handled that incident,
but I didn't know if I was goingto be able to handle the next one.
Okay, wings on it.
(11:08):
Who knows what will come next for me,
it's kind of turning to the narrative.
Main character. Yeah, of course.
Tammy's motherchecked her into a mental health center
for a complete physicaland psychiatric evaluation.
Doctorsfound no evidence of drug or alcohol use.
After 72 hours of observation,Tammy was released.
The following day, Tammy and a friend
drove to the local beach when,according to Detective Jim Spragg
(11:31):
of the CocoaBeach, Florida Police, Greg alone.
Okay.
Yeah.
They started to argue.
So wing and
no way Tammy and a friend drove.
Yeah, and a friend.
I don't know if it's or awhen they went to the beach,
her and her friend went to the.
Yeah, this friend picked her up
at her home and they drove to the beachand we talked to him.
(11:54):
Okay. This is dude friend.
Yeah, definitely the one who did it.
Yeah, definitely the bad guy. He's a dude.
And he basically started that.
They became involved in a verbal argument.
She had requested that he let her outnear the glass bank in Cocoa Beach,
and he complied.
What kind of other kind of argument?
A verbal argument,I don't know, sexual argument.
Like a physical argument. That's
(12:17):
like just no words at all.
Just this bitch slapping each other. Yeah.
Anyway, I just I'm sorry.
I'm just catching a little few redundantthings here
trying to get their word count up.That's good.
Yeah.The verbal argument. Let's do it. Yeah.
Exchanging when they disagreed together.
So I wrote this article. Yeah.
This is all bullshit.
No kidding.
(12:37):
Tammy's friend said he dropped her offabout five miles from her house.
She was barefoot and carried no purse.
According to detectives.
Greg, it was the last timeTammy Lynn would ever be seen alive.
She disappeared without a trace.
We talked to some of her close friends.
They felt stronglythat Tammy was having problems at home,
and she wanted to leave home.
Tamerlan.
(12:58):
Leopard is five feet, four inch tall,
and at the time of her disappearance,weigh 103 pounds.
She has blond hair and hazel eyes.
If you see her, let us know. Contact.
These are my friends.
Yeah, that's that's that's insane.
So that's how the video ended.
When was this?
Like 1983?
Yeah.
So if you see her, she'll have gray hair.
That's not.
She's probably.
(13:18):
She's probablypushing two hundo now. Yeah.
Well, do you think
she could be on the run?
She was like five feet tall.
She's on the run, Reuben.
Anyway, enough, enough.
Rest in peace.
We, Two, two. You don't know?
She disappeared. Okay.She probably just wanted to leave home.
She's sick and tired of being
fucking wig, claimingthat the dude's like, we can just leave.
(13:41):
We can just never go back there. And then.
So they did that.
That's what I like to think.
Yeah, maybe some say he was her wing man.
I send on that note mic drop.
Thanks.
He's laughing hysterically.
I just need to go home.
Yeah.
Insert laughter from a different podcast.
Yeah.
(14:04):
Yeah, you're going to wantto, but for something else.
Yeah.
Okay. So that's the first, disappearance.
You want to go over
anything that we, we covered in that oneor is that I we we took too long.
Okay.
But she's. You can see her in Scarface.
She is in a scene in Scarface,which is kind of in a scene.
Yeah, just a random scene.
So she was thethere's a movie called Spring Break.
(14:26):
Like, kind of like a big indie filmthat she was in.
And then she was in Scarface,
which would have been a pretty big deal,but then she vanished.
Yeah. Had a fucking manic episode. Right.
And then left the left, leftthe film under.
She probably just witnessedsomething terrible at that party, I guess.
So I did watch the episode on on this case
on Unsolved Mysteries and It goes delvesa little bit deeper into it.
(14:50):
And she did.
They think that
she might have saw a drug deal go wrongand somebody get shot or something,
and then
they just, like she saw, freaked outwhen she saw the murder in the future.
I thought that maybe it was just
because she was supposedto be enacting her own demise, basically,
and she was afraidsomeone was trying to kill her.
So there's, like, snapped.
No, I think you just watching a scenewhere
(15:10):
somebody got fucked up with a gun, okay?And it just, like, triggers them.
They start crying. Yeah, yeah.
But so she. Yeah, she saw.
They think the theory isthat she saw something she shouldn't have.
And the people were trying to keep silent,I guess, but, like,
wouldn't we know and wouldn'tthe authorities know if another crime
had been committed at that partyor around then?
True. Like, it's not like it's a mystery.
Maybe she saw someone get shot and dieand no one else knows or cares about
(15:35):
that guy. Like it was weird.
Everybody's covering.
Got it. Got holes all swept under the rug.
And only she knows about it. It's like,Holy crap.
Yeah, it was right to the top.
The only loose end was her.
Yeah. Wing Flanagan.
Are you fucking kiddingme, dude? Fuck, yes.
Like,
oh, this guy
or I don't know.
(15:57):
Holy fuck.
That guy ruined that story.
This poor woman is disappeared.
Holy fuck.
Actually, that guy's parents or whatever.
Yeah, as if they named him wing it.
Little baby wing I know, I know,I hate it, I know right, next thing.
Next, next. Poor horrible.
Holy fuck. Okay,
this one comes from, a list that you sent to.
(16:21):
Much more condensed.
So a girl named Sandy Denny, she died by falling downstairs.
That's it.
It's not a mystery at all.
We know what happened.
Okay? This one's not a mystery. You.
She didn't actually know what happened.
But Sandy Denny possessedone of the most hauntingly pure singing
voices of her generation.
She released a string of highly regardedfolk albums with Fairport Convention.
(16:45):
While classic rock fans undoubtedlyremember her best from a duet
on The Battle of Evermore,
which made her the only guest vocalistever to appear on a LED Zeppelin album.
Denny died on April 21st, 1978,just weeks after falling down some stairs
and hitting her head on the concrete.
Said her husband and had leftwith their daughter due to the singer's
substance abuse.
Denny was discovered unresponsivewhile staying with a friend.
(17:05):
She died days later.
From what doctors to termedmid brain trauma.
Said. Yeah, that's very tragic.
That is very sad.
You got to be on a LED Zeppelin song,so that's cool.
I guess we more than a lot of peoplehere. Her legacy.
Yeah. Anyway,
Thanks, Jeff. Job.
Thanks.
I was just sad and not at allenigmatic, mysterious or.
(17:29):
Some girl in head.
And she was on a LED Zeppelin album.
Oh, damn. Damn.
Okay, this one's from uphere, girlfriend.
She sent.
She's like,oh, do you talk about Britney Murphy?
I've heard about that whole thing for you.
Yeah.
A little known actresscalled Britney Murphy.
Yeah.
Conspiracy. Wow.
(17:50):
I just Mike Tyson the fuck out of that.Okay, we're gonna leave that alone.
Conspiracy theories link Diddy to BritneyMurphy's death.
Really?
Yeah. Each
recent online discussions have reigniteda conspiracy theory connecting
Sean Diddy Combs to the untimely deathof actress Brittany Murphy.
Central to this speculation
is the involvement of Ed Winter,the Los Angeles County deputy coroner
(18:10):
who conducted autopsies for both Murphyand Kim Porter, Diddy's former partner.
So on December 20th, 2009, actressBrittany Murphy
passed away at the age of 32.
The Los Angeles coroner's officeruled her death accidental,
attributing it to pneumonia,iron deficiency anemia, and multiple drug
intoxication from over-the-counterand prescription medications.
Despite the official findings, Murphy'sfather, Angelo, I'm just gonna call him
(18:34):
Angelo, had publicly expressed suspicionsthat his daughter was poisoned.
Suspicions? Yeah. He suspected.
They suspected, citing high levelsof heavy metals found in her system.
Kim Porter, a model and actresswho had a long term relationship
with Eddie, was found deceased in her homeon November 15th, 2018.
She was 47 years old.
(18:55):
The coroner's report determinedthat Porter died from lobar pneumonia,
so pneumonia again and the manner of deathwas certified as natural.
Wow. So he just paid to cover itup. And so.
Yeah. And essentially,trying to mix it up a little bit.
Nope. Pneumonia. Right. Cool. Dude. Yeah.
Ed Winter servedas the deputy Los Angeles
County coroner and was involved in severalhigh profile cases,
(19:16):
including the deaths of Michael Jackson,Whitney Houston.
As per reported by TMZ,
he conducted the autopsiesfor both Brittany Murphy and Kim Porter.
Winter passed away on March 17th, 2023,reportedly of natural causes pneumonia.
Fuck, dude.
L.A.,man, you're gonna get pneumonia. She's.
So this is a conspiracy.
She slipped on some baby oiland hit his head.
(19:38):
He has any idea how?
And then they ruled it pneumonia.
Yikes.
The theory suggests that Diddy mayhave been involved in Brittany Murphy's
death, potentially to prevent her fromexposing alleged misconduct in Hollywood.
Speculators point to the coincidence of EdWinter handling both Murphy's
and Porter's autopsies,
and the fact that Winter passed awaybefore
completing a second autopsy on Porteras potential evidence.
(20:01):
Additionally, connections are drawnbetween Murphy's husband, Simon
Jack and Diddy through a personal trainer,further fueling speculation.
Family's responses.
Both Brittany Murphy and Kim Porter's
families have addressed these conspiracytheories.
Murphy's family had addressed a desirefor a proper investigation,
while Porter's childrenhave publicly denied claims that their
mother wrote a memoir before her death,labeling such claims as false and hurtful.
(20:24):
Writing a memoir.
So people said that she wrote a memoir,and the kids are like,
no, she didn't stop saying that.
I mean, unless it'ssomebody trying to make like
this is her memoir,she says, I died of pneumonia, right?
Right.
And they're claiming it was hers.And the kids are like, that's insulting.
She didn't write anything.Yeah, this is fake. Okay, okay, okay.
So the conclusion while the coincidencessurrounding these case
(20:45):
have led to speculation, it's importantto note
that official causes of deathfor both Brittany Murphy
and Kim Porter have been determinedby the Los Angeles coroner's office.
There's no concrete evidence linking Diddyto Murphy's death, and the conspiracy
theories remain unsubstantiated.
And he is a very slippery dude.
So it wouldappear, I guess that's just coming out
because of obviously all this shitthat's coming out with, with with Combs.
(21:06):
And apparently she was probably like,
saw him at a fucking partydoing his Diddy thang.
And he was like, silencer.
Yikes.
Yeah, I heard WingFlanagan was at that party too.
Yeah, for sure.And he was like, crack his knuckles.
And then just went, FollowBrittany Murphy.
Man, somebody's going to expose me. Yeah.
But then so it was a little deeperand without divulging too far, Belgian,
(21:29):
I don't know.
Anyways, I'm not sure about the bulging,
the husband
also apparently died three yearslater of pneumonia.
Dude. Yeah.
And apparently he had a thing withBrittany Murphy's mother after they died.
This is too much.
It's too much for me.
Yeah. So it's all very scandalous. Yeah.
(21:51):
So there is. It's always been,like, rumor.
They just basically said she OD'd.
Was what I heard and then had pneumonia.
So she was unhealthy to drugs, overdose.
But a lot of conspiracieshave been coming since day
one that she knew too much.
And they were going to silencer.
Who that.
Yeah, was saying that
(22:11):
now we find this P Diddy maybe but she's.
Yeah it's guys it's a villain at the,at the center of all sorts of debauchery.
Yeah.
And now it's probably like he didone too many crimes
and they're like, man,we can't keep covering for you, bro.
Like, you can't keep dogging. Dogging us.
Just too many claims came out fromtoo many people or whatever, you guess.
And exposed a bunch of stuffthat now can't be put back in them.
(22:32):
You can't just pay a coroner to be,like, pneumonia.
Yeah, yeah.
But yeah, I mean, it's crazy, like,
it's all horrific.
All the, the,the SAR charges and all that. Yeah.
But then you, you know,
I don't know, like,I feel like it's about equal murder.
Like, I always thought,like, murder is supposed to be
the worst thing you can do, but, like,I don't know, like, say, charges like that
(22:55):
to me.
Like, it's almost as bador worse as popping somebody.
You just ruin somebody's fucking life.
Like you just,I don't know, I don't know why more
emphasis isn't put on it.
You know how very bad that isto do that shit. Like.
And there's something to be saidabout that, because if you are in that
pie chart of, say, when you go to jail,the other the other people
(23:17):
there don't take too kindlythat you're the one that's going to go.
That's what I'm saying.
Even even in prison, like,it seems like humanity has kind of like
put the hierarchy in the right order
in that way, like in jail, like therethere is potential.
Not saying it'sgood to kill people at all.
I'm not condoning killing people,ever. It's never a good idea.
I'm just saying I understand it more oftenthan I understand sexual assault,
(23:38):
yes I do, it doesn't compute with meto to do the wrongness.
I mean, I've wanted to kill people before.
You don't do it. Yeah.
You know. Thanks.
Yeah, I understand that feeling, right.
Like I hate this person.I can't stand that they did this.
I'm mad at them right now.
Any number of emotions, all these things.
I can imagine myself being in a situationwhere I would want to really do something
bad to somebody.
(23:58):
But when it comes.
But, well, of course, that'swhy we're not all in jail.
That's right. Right. But like,
what I don't understand is
how how in the I don't know,it's like in the court of law,
ruining somebody's life completelyand violating
them is like, somehow less badthan getting angry enough to kill a guy,
(24:20):
you know, or I don't know, it'shard to have levels to it.
Right? Like.But in prison, if you kill the guy.
Yeah. I mean, here because I killed a I'm.
It was a gang banger or something.
Yeah. Shoot somebody that's very bad.
That's evil and awful.
But I understand it a little bit more.
And I, even people in prisonseem to be able to accept that more
so than
I took advantage of someone weaker than mein the creepiest and grossest way ever.
(24:41):
And I'm a basically a piece of human scum,right?
Like that's different.
That's like so much like,you know what I mean?
Like, I know I feel like, how do you,like, quantify the levels of badness
in that somebody can do, do like an ass,you know,
have you ever seen those YouTubechannels of s tier list?
It's like s a wow.
Yeah, that's random s a b c d. Yeah.
And it's like,okay, we're going to rate. Yeah.
(25:02):
My murder's supposed to be here I guess.
But like it's more of an A tier or likewar crimes or something is up there.
Yeah.
Like but you know, murderfirst degree, second
degree depending on if it's out of angeror if you planned it.
All these different levelsof how bad murder could be.
But like how bad?
The only thing and I'm not equally bad tome, you know, we're just talking so bad.
We're just talking, like,not hypothetically, but just
(25:25):
what's I don't know.
Anyways, we're talking in a waythat this is obviously all bad, but.
Well, yeah.
No, I say it's like with,
say you at least have a chanceas long as it's not a and then murder.
I just think you have a chance.
I don't know what the answerobviously the law you can come back people
smarter than I have made the lawthe way it is.
Right?
I understand that, but it just in my mindI'm like, it's bad, it's it's bad.
(25:48):
I wanted to do something like to a kidor something like that.
Oh, you might as well as kill the dude.
I think it's worse than if you shot a guy.
Yeah, you know what I mean?
Like,
even though the law will let youout of jail, but not if you shoot a guy
like it's breaking it. I think a lot ofpeople have problems with that law.
Actually, what separates us from the bisonis discipline and acting on creepiness.
(26:11):
I don't see a lot of creepinesscoming out of the bison.
Right.
You more like them.
Sure, they kill each other, but.
But they're not out.They're touching each other.
I don't know,I think that's analogies gotten far away.
Yeah. Fuck.
Anyway, I was just wondering.I don't know what my point was at all.
I was just wondering.No, I'm thinking out loud.
Kind of.
It's, philosophical, but,yeah, I don't know.
(26:32):
It's it's like looking at those thingsin a certain way where it's like.
Yeah, I know, I think the only waythat it's like slightly
not as bad is because the person,obviously they're mentally fucked,
but they have a chance to continue going,maybe have they have kids,
maybe they have a lifethat they have to go back to.
They have something worthwhile.
They can go back to their kidswhere if you ask somebody,
they don't have the chanceto do any of that.
(26:54):
Yeah. I see what you're saying. Yeah.
So, like, that's the only whereit's like, okay, well, you didn't
permanently determine their fate. You.
Just because we don't knowwhat death is, it's like,
pretty muchthe worst thing you can do to someone.
Because we have no idea what it isyou just did to them.
You took them right out of this world.Exterminated.
Can't even havinga, stake in the world anymore.
And that's really brutal.
Yeah.
It's true. That is very bad.
(27:15):
That's the that's the.
But then at the same time,
and in a lot of the chargesare probably people like incels
that yeah, aren't doing too welland the lady already situation brains.
Yeah. Their brains are fucked upand their looks like well fuck it.
Like I want to like their instinctstake over.
Like the basicallythe opposite of justifying it.
It's just, you know,just trying to trying to understand.
(27:37):
They understand.
Trying to figure out what the fuck,and then they just act on their instance.
It's like even murder.
It's like it's a fleeting momentthat everybody that does it, it's like,
wow, I guess if you didn't,if in that moment, like,
you just didn't care whatsoeverin a full moment of like,
you know, get all the buzzwords here,I was going to say self death, you know,
sheets of death thoughts, you know,
(27:59):
thinking of like, I'mjust going to leave the world anyway.
And if you don't think hell exists,you're just like, fuck it, right?
I'm going to oblivion.
Then I guess maybe you could,you know, if right and wrong didn't
exist in your brainand you're sociopathic, so you can't
understand that someone else has feelingsand will feel this forever.
Yeah.
You know, like, I guess that that is howyou end up in this situation of humanity.
(28:21):
But like, at that point, don'twe just need to, like, wipe them out?
Yeah.
Like like this doesn'tseem like a cure there other than death,
you know what I mean?
Like, I hate to say it, but, like, fuck,I'm want to be compassionate for people,
and I want to be, you know,but I feel a little bit humanity here.
But, like, above all,we protect children, right?
Like as humans.
Like, above all, we protect the weak.
(28:42):
And so women and children
shouldn't be taken advantageof by bigger, stronger men
who just want to do whatever.
Right. End of story. Right?
That that's that'swhat separates us from the bison.
I think what you're saying you
over that two, itseparates us from the animals basically.
You know, like we should have societythat protects the weak.
Right? But. Right.
It's like,I don't know what are our pointers
(29:02):
rambling now,but that's the that's that's a lot.
And people are like yes I agreeI don't. Agreed.
Shut up you guys. We all agree
it's bad.
You don't have a stake in thisbecause you can't talk.
Yeah, I like this whole conversationI don't care.
That's hilarious. Okay.
Anyways, back to the mysterious mysteries,
but actually, first,I think we have a sponsor
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And we're back.
So this one's called this one.
This person,
(30:04):
this lady was called Connie Converse,
the singer songwriter who vanished.
Scrub by and came.
I told you so I was.
There's another thingthat I want to get into,
and I'm not going to try and derailthis too far, but I just watched the one
hour and 50 minutedocumentary on automatons.
You know, those are. Is the robot. Yes.
(30:26):
And it like, went from the history of likethe first people like bc making a totem
tons all the way up to Walt Disneyand the Country Bear Jamboree.
Sagan automatons.
No, no,
it's. I heard you say it.
What are you talking about?
The first people that made it back.
Like beforeChrist, people were creating robots.
(30:49):
Like,
Yeah, it's like a songbird.
I'll do more researchbefore I delve into this.
And I was like,I was going to delve into this,
but then I was just like, fuck,I need to write real.
In the ad.
I can go from like, CrazyGirl's Gone Missing to robot.
I did, and I guess I didanyway, you did that.
So we'll talk about automatonsin a minute.
Go back to the missing girl, okay?
(31:10):
Yes, yes, she.
I'm here to help.
Thank you.
Yeah, well,stay tuned for the next episode.
Yeah, that's a little like episode,
but by the time Ethan
go on.
Fuck me.
Holy shit.
Yeah. The next episode, we'll talk aboutWalt Disney.
(31:30):
The singer songwriterConnie Converse has been described by fans
as a precursor to Bob Dylan.
But when she made music in New York Cityin the early to mid 1950s, no one paid
much attention.
So she left the music sceneto start a new life.
Then one day in 1974,converse and her music disappeared.
Decades later, in 2009,
a few early recordings were releasedfor the first time,
(31:51):
and suddenly ConnieConverse had an audience.
Ever since,
those fans have been working to share hermusic and story with the world.
One of them,author and musician Howard Fishman,
published a comprehensive biographyof converse in May titled To Anyone
Who Ever Asks the Life, Music,and Mystery of Connie Converse,
and now a new album containing32 songs will be released August 11th.
(32:12):
It's a recording, Congressman. Bless you.
We're still coming up, 2003.
No, sorry, 2023.
That's coming out in 2003.
All right.
A quarter century ago,
here we get ready for this.
Just reading a newspaper. Thank you.
(32:33):
Are you getting your stories from you?
The New York Herald 2003 edition.
After she suedBob Dylan for stealing her music.
No question 11.
Police reported this for 20 years ago.
It's all been solved by now. Yeah.
People are calling in like,no, no, we know this is nonsense.
Podcast. Fuck.
(32:55):
The recording contractmade herself at home in 1956.
She called it.
That's pretty good.
In 1956. Yeah.
She recorded at home recording yourself.
That's the craziest part of the SoundCloudbefore SoundCloud.
Yeah, well,I think you can record on SoundCloud, but.
Okay. Yeah,
yeah, she was the first mumble rapper.
That's what this is about.
Wow. Fishman joined NPR's
(33:16):
person's name.
I'm not going to try to pronounceto talk about the
singer and composer.
Hear the complete radio story above.
Fuck.
Roger,
I probably should have, like, a story.
That part. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
Did you copypaste that part into your notes?
Yeah. Redacted. Redacted. Yeah.
(33:37):
So yeah, NPR thank you. NPR.
So I, I watched,
watch Mojo.
Have you heard of that channel on YouTube?No, they're a list channel.
It was 15 people that went missing.
Boys and girls.
And, that was on it.
And I was like, oh, that's interesting.
And, yeah,she was a folk singer from the 50s.
She went mysteriously disappearing.
She went mysteriously disappearingand never came
(33:59):
back. So.
Oh, here he goes. There you go. Sorry.
Right after deciding the musicmaybe wasn't the avenue
that was going to be open for her,she left.
And for the next decadeworked on a social justice champion,
working in conflict resolution,working against police brutality.
And then she disappearedas a social justice champion.
(34:21):
Yeah. Okay. Yeah.
She wrote letters to her familyand friends saying that she was going
to start a new life somewhereand not to come looking for her,
and she was neverseen or heard from again.
So that's that's, that's a nice happyending for some people
that some people,like dream of this super cool.
Except for it's you don't explainto your family where you are.
(34:43):
You probably send a letter,but it probably wasn't written by her.
Maybe. Exactly.
So I watched enough true crimewhere every time that happens,
it's like I'm gone.Don't come looking for me.
It's a murderer. Of course. Yeah. There's.
Okay.
I'll respect her wishes, see a kid,and then never talk to her again.
Yeah. Don't even come looking.
Yeah, that's that'swhat a murderer would think to do.
I know what I'll do.
Yeah, I ran away.
(35:04):
And don't search under the stairs. Yes.
Don't be looking in my secret spot.
Yeah,
yeah, I know so.
And I watched a different casewhere that happened in there.
Like sending,like the murderer was actually sending
letters from, like, Paris and like,oh, I'm traveling the world, like,
a lot of times. Oh, that's horrifying.
And then the the family is like,okay, like,
obviously we know this isn't her,but we have
(35:27):
nothing to say that it isn't her.
Can you just.
If you are alive, give us ahow do and we'll leave you alone.
Can you let us know like putyour family's is I'm a shit like.
No. That's horrifying.Don't nobody do that.
If you're trying to move away,just tell people.
Yeah, I'd say something like,you're allowed to leave, just leave.
But you have to let
your family know where you're going,because that's very horrifying for people
to not know where you are.
(35:47):
Like, I have family that lives likenorthern BC and I don't see them a lot.
Like,
all you got to do
is move a couple province over,move a couple states over,
and you'll probably have a pretty isolatedlife.
Like they have to move to avoid you.That what they.
Yeah. Yeah, they all left me. Holy crap.
It's another mysterious mystery.
But that'sfor another time with the automatons.
(36:09):
And yet you thoughtI forgot about the automatons?
I didn't.
Oh, that's good, because that's goingbe on the next episode, I think,
unless I forget about it and see
five other documentariesabout five different things
that I want to talk about,which I probably will.
And the last one that I got,have you heard of Mia Zapata?
She was part of a band,and she was friends with Kurt
Cobain in the early 90s,and they like to ring a bell.
(36:32):
The guitar was the band.They didn't quite make it.
They were on their way.
But then this happenedand never had a chance.
And yeah, she was, she was a pretty talented.
Yeah. Musician in, like,the Seattle grunge scene.
Like, with all those bands. Yeah.
So Jesus met
(36:53):
the man convicted of the 1993murder of popular Seattle musician.
Died in Washington Hospital in January.
Waiting.
He he did it. Yeah.
You know,that's not a mystery anymore. Oh,
fuck.
His ears did it?
Yeah.
MySQL or whatever his name is, mosquito,I think.
(37:15):
Yeah.
His was from Quito.
Fucking, man,
I had this, and I was reading it,and then if I can just cock blocked me.
Rolling Stone wants fucking 995 out of me.
Well, fuck you, rolling Stone.
I like,are you giving away all your sources?
I watched this thing and they did this.
So I'm telling you now.
(37:36):
It's like a three year old five guys.
I watched Barney and he.
He told me to be nice.
And now I'm telling you, that'swhat I do now.
I don't think that was what I meant, but
thank you.
Hey, man.
Yes and yesand. Oh, yes, it's how we roll.
Okay.
Mia's a paddle at this,and that's all. Yes.
And that's it. Yeah.And that's all, folks.
(37:56):
Okay, last one, I promise.
She led the punk groupthe Get and Seattle
during the grunge years beforeshe could be in the national spotlight.
She was our awarded and murdered in 1993.
Yeah.
God, man, a new bookremembers her life and work.
At the beginning of the 1990s,the nation's ears turned toward Seattle.
Alice in Chains and Soundgardenintroduced a menacing new sound.
(38:16):
And then came the song that changedeverything
Smells Like Teen Spirit.
No. Nirvana bumped Michael Jacksonfrom the number one
spot on the album charts,and suddenly there was a feeding frenzy
to find the next big thing,a new book recounts at the time.
From a unique vantage point,
the Jets were a punk band.
(38:38):
Jesus, the Jets were a punk bandnot quite in tune with grunge.
Steve Moriarty was their drummer.
The Jets never got a chanceto enjoy the national recognition.
Their lead singer, muse aboutit was R-word and murdered in 1993.
The crime went unsolved for ten years.
Most of what's written about the Jetstoday involves the death
of their frontwoman.
Steve Moriarty's new book is About life.
It's called music and the Jets.
And just to note, the interviewincludes a mention of the S-Word.
(39:02):
Okay, this is just selling a book.
Yeah. Anyways, long story short. So she.
Yeah, she was on the grunge scene.
I watched an Unsolved Mysteriesabout her too.
She was in the grand schemethey were coming up to,
a pretty high
point in their career, but obviouslythey didn't break towards success here.
Yeah.
And then, Yeah, it was, a gentleman, that
(39:23):
absolute piece of filth, total garbage.
I think it was an acquaintance.
And yeah, he took her,
took advantage of her one nightand then disposed of her.
And ten year it took him ten, ten yearsto solve that mystery.
Yeah.
Me as a part of the get.
Well, I listened to the music.
I could see it at the time.
(39:44):
It was kind of raw, but,
one love.
Respect. Jeez. Yeah.
Anyways, that's basicallyall there is to say about her.
Yeah, but,
Yeah, it it goes on and on and on.
And this is just trying to sell the bookabout her, which I guess, sure.
But anyways, yeah, so that's my, Oh.
(40:06):
Now, how can you have a list of mysteriousmysteries of women
disappearing without trouble?
Amelia Earhart
proof.
I was holding up.
This is a bonus sensitivity.
Police need to talk to you, Dylan.
And how can you have a listof missing women
(40:27):
without all.
Anyways.
Oh, shit.
Oh, let me guess. These.
She flew off into the sunand everyone just kept squinting.
And then they never saw her again.That was it.
Last they saw.
Yeah, pretty much.
Fuck.
(40:49):
And then, job.
Job did give me a bonus entry triggeror trigger? Trigger warning.
Because it does have a mention of,the R-squared.
So we talked about Dick VanDike last week.
Wait, is that really you didn'tfinish the story about Amelia Earhart?
Oh, I thought you justwrapped it up. Was that it?
That is our fly off.
They don't know no one's our land.
(41:11):
Oh, geez.
You don't?
Yeah.
It it just. Well, she flew to the.
Someone else better write a book about it.I guess she's gone.
That was a reason. Right?
To fly right in the sky.
But what happened?
Fuck, I thought it was.
That was your polite way. Be like enoughpeople have talked about this.
We don't know,I don't know. Oh, okay. Okay.
(41:32):
Oh, my God, you really.
We're going to skip over it.
No, no no no no,I'm just committing to the bit.
Amelia Earhart is one of history'smost prominent figures in aviation,
having inspired numerous movies, booksand plays.
Born in 1897, in Kansas, Earhart
rose to fame because of her trailblazingaccomplishments as a female aviator.
At the time, being both a woman and a pilot meant being met with many obstacles.
(41:56):
And even her own family discouraged herfrom learning how to fly.
However, despite those challenges,she set many records in aviation
and became the first female pilotto fly alone across the Atlantic Ocean.
And then I have a random I just have to.
What the fuck?
Hyper sexuality is not infidelity.
It's an ADHD response. Yeah,
(42:17):
okay.
Anyway, girl, you know.
Anyway, for her accomplishmentsalone, Earhart
earned herselfa degree of legendary status.
However, it is in her unfortunatedisappearance after she set off on her
ambitious global flight of 1937that has captivated people to this day.
On June 1st, 1937, Earhartand Fred Noonan,
her navigator, set out from Oakland,California, on their eastbound
(42:39):
transcontinental flight on a twinengine Lockheed Electra plane.
Less than a month later,they reached New Guinea, have flown
22,000 miles, and with 7000 more to gobefore they reach Oakland once again.
After departing from LA,they had to fly another 202,500 miles
before they reached their next stop,Howland Island,
an incredibly small islandnext to the Pacific Ocean to refuel.
(43:02):
Unfortunately, overcast skies, radiotransmission issues, and low fuel
meant that the EarhartNoonan did not reach their destination
despite extreme effortsto locate the plane, which ended up
constituting the most expensive airand sea search in American history.
Up to that point, there were no sign ofEarhart Noonan anywhere.
Earhart was officially declared dead on
July, sorry, January 5th, 1939.
(43:24):
And, so kind of was honestly.
Yeah. What I said.
Yeah. Well. Oh, yeah.
I didn't know how she passed away.No, I didn't know that.
Oh, okay. Okay.I thought everybody knew about Earhart.
Well, I knew that she was ait was a was a pilot,
but I didn't really knowanything else about it.
Yeah, she was trying to, like, I guess,basically try to fly around the world.
Yeah. In 80 days.
And didn't make it.
(43:45):
Yeah.
And, there's.
But, yeah, there's been like,speculations of, like, oh, we found her
airplane, but I think it's it's all been,like, mostly bullshit, right?
In its report, the U.S governmentconcluded that Earhart Noonan
had run out of fueland crashed into the vast ocean.
What happenedafter the crash is still unclear,
given the mystery surrounding this event.
Several theories have emergedthat are still being debated to this day.
(44:06):
One theory suggeststhat Earhart was a secret agent
for the US government,and that she was taken prisoner
by the Japanese for trying to spyon Japanese occupied islands.
The more widely believed theoryis that Earhart
Noonanreached an uninhabited island, Nikumaroro,
which artifacts such as tools and aircraftwreckage have been discovered.
No theories
has ultimately been proven true,and so Earhart's disappearance remains
(44:27):
one of the most popular mysteriesof American history.
Despite the tragic end to Erin's life,her accomplishments and her legacy
still serve as an inspiration to thousandsof budding young pilots everywhere.
Nice. Yeah.
Okay. So there. Yeah, yeah. Pretty good.
The sad as it is, it'sdefinitely not as tragic and horror
horrifying as some of these other ones.
Yeah. And.
(44:49):
I guess constituteslike doing what she loves
and doing something pretty admirable.
We're trying a massive adventurethat nobody had ever done before.
Imagine how you would feel likejust flying in that day and age.
Yeah, like in a plane like that with you,
with your goggles onand you're just ripping
through the sky like, just man and like,holy crap, you would just be.
Your heartwould be pounding the whole time
(45:10):
and just being like,I'm doing this really fucking cool thing.
I'm going to do this, you know?
Yeah, like make my nameand like different, different,
parts of the world, different weather,like all the different stuff.
Obviously something that they couldn'thandle at the time, came upon them.
Bad weather or whatever,you know, low fuel, who knows?
Right. So.
And this is just not safe doingthat shit is crazy dangerous.
Even now, you have to think of all the,the, precautions that they take nowadays
(45:35):
just to make sure that tragedies like that
are kept to the, to the,you know, the ultimate minimum.
Right?
You know, but, in fact,then it's just like, off
we go, flying through the fucking airin a, like a bunch of
metal, like, oh, it's crazysad reality of it too, is progression.
You don't know what you can accomplishuntil you try.
And that sometimes happens with trying,you know?
(45:55):
Yeah, yeah.
Peopledefinitely pass away doing less than that.
Yeah. You know soand and at a different time.
And that's the other thing tooI know I'm, I'm,
I'm staying away from the automatons.
But like seeing what they were doingback are we,
are we not going to talk about them.
You know, I,I could do a whole episode on.
Okay, we're going to do a whole episodeon like, excited.
Dude, our next automaton episode. Yeah.
(46:15):
And if you don't like automatons
or you think that's going to be boring,it's really cool.
And if you don't,then we're going to talk about
more mysterious mysteries of the sceneright now.
Because on the next tour for my album,there's a song called Automaton
Assault Weapon.
Oh. That's perfect.
So maybe we should have a tour.
If I remember,we could talk about the automatons.
The tour.
Fi, lads, come and, listen about automaton.
(46:36):
Or I was thinking Dan Hatchet,
because he would be ableto talk about a lot of the history
smell when he's around.
Oh, yeah. Right, right.Yeah. I'm just kidding. Yeah, yeah.
You don't call himDan Kitchen for nothing.
Yeah, we don't call that.
But anyways, what my point is, is like
watching that stuff, what they did backthen and what they were able to create
and just the art, it's like, Holy fuck,they were doing this a thousand years ago.
(46:59):
And like, I'm proud of a drawing.
I did drunk one nightlistening to fucking. 303.
Right.
But you doa lot of other things in your life though.
Yeah, I know, I myself. Sure. Yeah.
I mean, if all you didwas make an automaton in your life,
you probably have a pretty dank assautomaton.
I'm just saying, you know,if that's all you were working
on, has all these to work on somethingelse. That's right.
It was called something else.
(47:19):
I do more than that.
But no, it's it's like an AI technologythat we didn't realize.
Yeah.
You know, and the,the art like even because it,
it basically goes from the beginningto like Country Bear Jamboree.
I'm sorry.
You're going to have to just break down.
What is what do you mean by an automatonwhen it comes to 8000 year old automaton?
This thing is not a robot walking around,you know?
So it's it's like a cog with like,little pieces on it.
(47:43):
And it was able to
they were able to get it to spin,and it would make little things move,
like birds flap their wingsand not so small like a mechanic.
Mechanic. Yeah, exactly.
And the cow, they're like all the piecesthat went into making that stuff.
Or like a bull raising its headand then it basically went from that
like 8000 years agoall the way to animatronic animatronics.
Country Bear Jamboree. Yeah.
(48:03):
What? Disneyland.
And and then you, like, just how amazing
the behind the scenes isand the technology that they had.
They partnered up with NASA to make those
automated
audio animatronics is what they're calledbecause they're powered by audio.
Anyways, I could get way into this.That's cool.
It's super sick. Yeah.
And yeah,but I also didn't want to be like,
(48:23):
oh yeah, Sad GirlsDisappearing and Country Bear Jamboree.
It's just like,man, pick a did you did that?
You never pick a layer.
You are riding a unicycle downthe middle of like
a, like a water circusand like a torture chamber.
Like it's just like, well,welcome to my brain are insane. And.
Yeah.
Oh, man, it's just like,so much cool stuff out there.
(48:45):
But, yeah,I do want to do a whole thing on it.
And if you want to watch it,his name is Kevin perjure.
Defund planned.
It's great documentaries.
The best at those things on YouTube.
Very wise guy. He's a wise guy. Yeah.
And he's like,and if you watch a lot of YouTube, I do.
I do.
I'm not getting mad at you, I do.
(49:05):
It's good you do, because otherwisewe wouldn't have much to talk about it.
Yeah. I just like so much interest.
It's like true crimeand and shit like that. It just. Man.
Anyways, shout out to Kevin Burger.Shout out to the funk Land.
Check that, new documentaryyou put out about a month ago.
If you have the time. It's really cool.
Anyways, is thereanything you want to spit before you?
Man, I've been sort of.
I mean, I'm kind of boring right now.
(49:25):
I've been just, like, hunkered down, doinga lot of work on the new tour for album.
We've been recording guitarswith the lads.
Cool.
Yeah, it's coming along really fast.
Like, it's kind of in secret, too.
I don't know how many of the people that
listen to toursif I listen to the podcast as well, right?
So if you are one of those amazing peoplethat crosses over and listens
to both things, then you can get excitedbecause there's like a new terrify record
(49:47):
being made very quickly here,jamming along really fast.
You know, drums are done,guitars are almost half done.
And then we just have bass and vocalsleft to record
and mixing and printing, blah, blah, blah.
So we're gonna have another record for youguys.
Like, way soonerthan anyone really expects, so keep it.
Shush. If you're hearing this message.
Yeah, I've made itthis far. You deserve to know.
(50:08):
That's right.
You deserve to know.
But let the other tour fans find outwhenever or whenever they find out.
Totally. Is it going to be releasedby the same record or is that.
We don't know.
We don't know, like, I honestly,we don't know anything about it.
All I know is that I'm working really hardto make it sound
fucking amazing and holy shit,it's sounding better than normal songs.
And it's just it's really hard to say that
because I loved the waythat Necronomicon sound pro as fuck,
(50:29):
but this is honestly like we're buildingit even stronger.
The songs are better,
they're more concise, like this shitis going to rip people's faces off.
You are honestly. Yes. Level up.
There's some riffs on therethat are unbelievable.
I'm allowed.
As I've said before, I'm allowed to say
the riffs are amazingbecause I don't write them.
Fair enough. Guitarists do.
So I can say that yeah,the drums are subpar.
(50:49):
I'm allowed to say that.
I will say that, yeah,I always say that, you know,
they could definitelyhave a better drummer, but no, no.
That's sick.
Can we know the name of the album?
I don't know if I want to drop itright now.
Okay, I know we have it,but I don't think that I want to say
it just yet.You're gonna have to wait for that one.
Perfect.
Okay, well, until then, I'mgoing to call this fifth album as well
underway compared to what people maybewould think or would assume.
(51:12):
And maybeall the stuff I was talking about
is a hint at their title,because I know what the title is,
and it's Country Bear Jamboree.
Dude, you have to delete this to the tourfor this Country Bear Jamboree.
It's not coming out this next year.
Dude,you got it. How did you how did you know
I'm playing?
I have no clue.
Anyway, so I've been doinga lot of editing guitars and, like,
(51:32):
you know, doing a lot of, recording guitars with the lads.
I've actually beenrecording a bunch of hip hop as well
with my buddy Jimmy Jam, as I said
at the beginning of the episode,we been trying to think of a group name
because we want to do liveshows really soon.
He's much more of a live rapper, right?
Than a studio guy like me.
I'm more of a studio rapper, but I'm.
I love live shows
and I just want to get out there more,so I want to be doing it eventually.
Hopefully Brad wants to join us as well.
(51:53):
Hopefully we can do some CA stuffas well. Would be really good.
You know,like I'm open to doing all of it.
I just really need to rememberthat side of myself.
Like, I'm, I'm, I'm equal partship hop and metal when it comes to that.
And I just, you know, hip metal,metal, metal kind of like, propels itself
really well
because I've got four other dudesthat are pushing me all the time,
and we meet up every week and we havethings like albums to do and discipline.
(52:17):
Well, it's just, you know, it'sthere's something to be said for, like,
you have a project you want to work on,
but you don't really know what to door how to work on it,
or you know how to,but it's going to be really daunting,
or it's going to take a long timeor whatever.
But tour for it's not like that tour.
It's just like you show up, you, you work,you put the work in,
you have guaranteed results.
We have shows to play, we have songswritten, we have albums done.
(52:39):
We have T-shirts to sell all that shit.
It's a giant engine that runs.
Yeah, it runswithout me showing up that week,
you know, like, I mean, yes,it needs all the parts and sucks
without the drums there, but like,I'm confident
the tour is fine if I take a week off,whereas my own hip hop,
just me by myself or even just with Brador whatever, it's like
there's not a lot of drive toto get it going where it's a tour.
(52:59):
If I we've got thousands of fansthat are like, yo, what's happening here?
Right?
Whereaswith like my hip hop, it's so underground
and like more for my own enjoymentand stuff
that I want to bring itmore to the forefront
and remind people that this is somethingthat I really do like.
I really love to do it.
So what made me and Jameshave made two songs, since the New year?
Cool. Already?
It's not even done January yet, but yeah,I had them recording in the Storify
(53:20):
jam space.
Actually, the other daywe did some vocals,
and so I've got to mix them all downand chop them up
and make them into a song,and then that'll be two.
Then I'm going to get to work.
I'm already kind of startedsome work on the third beat,
but I didn't like the way it was going,
so I deleted a bunch of shitand now I'm going to attack it again.
So yeah, I'm doing a shit ton of music,man. What's new with me? Nothing.
I always do fucking tons of music.
It's either hip hop or metaland I'm watching look,
(53:42):
and like somebody doing this, like this
podcast, like it's a labor of love,obviously.
Like you enjoy your creative person,your creative people
put so much work into this shit,you guys have no idea.
I Dylan is the workhorsebehind this podcast.
I will easily admit it's it's it, but it'sa passion and it's like a labor of love.
And you do a great joband it's like it's like.
And that's the same thing to say,but to really where it's like,
yeah, you have a working machinebecause you earned it.
(54:04):
Yeah.But it was years of the vehicle. Yeah.
Ten years of climbingthat mountain to get there.
Yeah.
So, so like if I want to, you know,for instance, say I want to
I want to build a house,
I walk out to the empty lot that I somehowhave and go, okay, let's start.
And I wouldn't knowwhere the first fucking thing to do.
Right?
Whereas a carpenter is like,
okay, well, we're going to have to startby doing this.
And he would just start to work.Yeah, right.
(54:25):
And so that's what it reminds meof photography.
Like I just show up at the tourif I jam space and there's things
I can do, whether it's social media,whether it's just drumming.
Yeah.
Or, you know, whether it'swriting with some new song, you know, or
before the guys get there, whether it'srecording, whether it's editing,
there's always something I can go toand just start working, no problem.
Right.
Whereas like before, like with hip hop
(54:46):
or with like maybe the podcast, like,I don't know what necessarily to do.
Like, yes, I know some stuff to do,but when I show up at,
okay, I want to put some workin, I'm not necessarily
100% like as confident about,like what's the next step to do.
Right?
But when I sit down to make beats,I'm like, yep,
boop boop boop,but but just start working into
the flow state right nowbecause I'm good at it.
I know what to do. So I don't know. It'sjust one of those things.
(55:07):
I guess.
It's just like anything
you're good at or you're not good at,but it's about knowing what to do.
It's not just like, put more hardwork, work harder, work harder.
It's like, how do I work harder?
I don't know, banging a nail, right?
You can beat the shit out of the,you know, a piece of wood
and put a million nailsin that piece of wood. What are you doing?
Nothing. Is just working really hard.
Yeah, you're not doing anythingstressing yourself out.
So, like, this is where I feel likewhen you don't know as much,
(55:30):
this is that I used to do thattype of thing
a lot more when I would try to recordmusic and record tours horrify.
But with this record, we knowwhat we're doing, we know how to do it.
We've measured the pieces more carefully.
Everything fits nicer.
Everything in the end just comes outlooking like a better house.
Just sounds nicer.
Everything just sounds fucking fantasticin this new album that we're working
(55:50):
on, and it's like,
I mean,
I looked into this for anybodywho gets a fucking fuck, but I look, I, I,
I deeply looked into the, the waveformsand like the,
the editing of all the songsand we as a, as a technique
to make the guitar sound big,we double track the guitars,
which is very difficult to do
because you're trying to make two guitarssound like one guitar.
(56:12):
Yeah. And the guy has to play itexcellent.
And I have to edit itto be exactly on top of itself.
So that only sounds like one guitar,but nice and thick.
Well, sometimes a guy would be doinglike a tremolo pick, like. But.
And only one of those noteskind of was a little bit soft.
You can see the waveforms are all nice.
Nice, nice little shitty one. Yeah.Nice nice nice.
(56:32):
And then the other track would be likenice nice shitty one.
Nice nice nice nice.And then it would cover the.
Any shitty ones would be coveredby good ones.
Right.That's why you double track the guitar.
So if the guy kind of just didn'thit the string exactly
as hard as all the other hits,it doesn't matter.
It's not like the take is no good.
We're going to back itwith the other one on this one.
I'm not allowing for any of that shit.There are no weaknesses.
(56:53):
Like I don't let do this thing.Exactly. We're doing it again.
We're fixing this note,we're blah blah blah.
So it should, in theory,come out even cleaner than economic songs.
Crazy. I got pissed finger.
That's the difference.
It's like, you know, from from onealbum to the next is usually quite
a large level up photography, thrashand burn all the way to infinity complex.
It's crazy.That's the biggest leap, maybe.
(57:13):
And then From Infinity Complexto Life is bad.
Another very big jump.
Maybe the biggest jump.
Or, you know, one of the biggest hitsgoing from life is bad to economic songs
because we shortened the songsby almost half, like, we really concise
ified our songs and like trimmed the fat,which to me it just, it leveled us up
beyond anything else.
Totally, you know, and just recording itourselves really helped too.
(57:36):
But now, now it'sjust like we know what to do.
Level up. Yes. Yeah.
It's another level up the roof.
It seemed like, okay, how am I goingto level up from an acronym of songs?
But I we are. Yeah. Like wewe definitely are.
So I'm stoked. I'm no longer rambling.
It's just me being excited about that.That's honestly.
And anyone who, is a is a co fan of both.
These are my friendsand I. I love you so much.
(57:57):
You're the best hella
I second that to our Country BearJamboree coming up 2026 2026.
Don't tell anybody.
Yeah.
Plus it's probably coming out 2025.
We're not talking about it.
We're not waiting all the way to 2026.Fuck that.
I work too fast and hard for that.
That's the next album.
You're already literallylike the next album.
Well, what's funny about thatis it's almost written up
(58:19):
like the one after the sixth.
Jesus Christ.
Yeah, I think there's maybe two songsto finish writing on that as well.
This is why we have to do it ourselves.
This is why we have to release
like an album a year,because we fucking pump out metal for us.
Yeah,we just get bottlenecked and yell back
and I've been and I haven't written
for a long time,like Ben and I would write ahead.
Usually he writes a little bitmore than the other guys
don't have as much time to write. Right.
(58:40):
So he'll write a ratio of of
about four out of eight songsand the other Simon and Adam, right.
To kind of thing.
I'm sure that they'd all liketo write the equal amount,
but Ben just spends more time doing it.
He really likes to write out
how he'll always show me those songs,and we'll be way ahead of the game.
Him and I can play through this album.
Six songs like No Problem.
Wow. And that's so silly.
Yeah, because no one's hearing them.
(59:01):
No one's even hearing some of the songsoff of the album.
Five yet live, no one's even hearing,you know, we're way back here, right?
Genius. Right.
Our our release is all three albums agoor two albums ago,
and our forefront of our writingis all like album six.
So just like this dumb conundrum to beand where it's like, well,
I want to write morebecause writing more is fun.
And we could and I could get better atdrums and write even more extreme drums.
(59:24):
But I have to go back backwardsand record the thing that I did last year.
Yeah. Which is now coming out this year.
You know what I mean? It's liketotally fantasy thing for most artists.
You just keep making more songsand never release anything.
Yeah. Tough cycle.
Good. Yeah.
And then you're just like, fuck.
Like, I don't know, get this outor it's all for nothing.
Yeah, there's there are bandsthat have the opposite problem. Obviously.
(59:44):
They're like, well,we only have four songs.
We have to get togethersome more material to make our EP,
and then they release an EPbecause that's all they have.
Or, you know, it's just crazy.
And then they're like, And they're like,okay, that's good for a year.
We're trying to trim it down
because we don't want to inundate peoplewith so much right now.
No, that's cool man.
Okay, well,that's just my own personal shit.
But hella no. That's dope. Wrap it up.
Thanks for listeningto this very chaotic podcast.
(01:00:05):
You guys really flew around,as we always are.
Yeah, yeah, that was fun.
And, stay tuned for the opportunity.
So, what's going on?
I don't know. Tons to the brand.
Yeah. Automatons.
And that's all I got on the brain,man. No.
It's good.
Been,January's been slow with, some stuff,
so I've been able to do a little bitmore podcast and such.
(01:00:26):
But other than that,just keeping busy, you know, working.
Sounds like you're up to no good.
This could be a sad answer.
What do you been doing? Hanging. Chilling.
Little bit of
your weirdsince trying to create an automaton
in your bedroom these,like, years and shit all over the ground.
And yeah, I got actually a whole countrybear jamboree in the backyard
(01:00:47):
that's going to be coming out2026 as well.
With the release of the tour firesign on your front lawn.
You're advertising for Pen Island.
Yeah. An island. Yeah. Coming in 2026.
Yeah, it's a large sign,so stay tuned for that.
Anyways, thank you for listening.We love you all.
And these are my these are my these are mythese are my these are my fruit. So.
What up? Daniel?
Hello? Hello.
I'm just,I gotta say, I'm not ready. When?
Right now. I'm ready.
Yeah, I just sprung that on you.
Okay. Perfect.
Geez.
I'm just telling peopleI'm about to podcast,
but I'm not actually about to podcast.
I'm currently now podcasting,so I just know that somebody hold on here.
Okay. No. We're good.
So I'm just gonna interject the episode.
It's going to turn it on to to silentbecause my, my homie is trying to trying
(00:23):
to write a bunch of,
trying to think of a name for our,for our hip hop group,
the two of us,when we go to perform. Right.
Where he's sending, like, 30 names
per minute, like, it'sjust like he's like this one.
How about this one?
How about these just thrown, like,
spaghetti at the wallto see what sticks or what?
And so this phone will not stop vibrating.
(00:44):
You can't take.
So I got a hip hop group and,play like you play a fish.
That's my name.
Play, play. Yeah.
Wait, so, Philly.
Okay. Yeah. That.
And then,the homie that I'm doing with his name's
Tab, is, CEO.
That's his rap name is CEO.
Like, he's like the star enterprise.So when you put it together,
(01:06):
play CEO.
Okay.
You can't take that.
Okay. Damn it. Can't I take my.
Leave me out?
Oh, yeah.
Yeah, that's that's my. All right.
You could have,but I meant mine is going to be like,
you know, on on the, on the Navyor like on a ship.
You have the chief officer, right?The CEO. Right. Yeah.
(01:27):
Oh, that would have been way better.I would have been.
That's the one I'm going to take.
They have it ruined. Yeah.
Oh man.
We're going to rap battle.
It's going to be full a CEOand then fill a CEO.
And I'll be making fun of howyour name has the extra syllable.
You be like, fuck you, man, be so mad.
Leaveabout won't even be able to rap anymore.
We almost had it.
Yeah, this is so going down 2026, 2046.
(01:50):
We'll see you that big rap battle.
Yeah. No.
Okay. Continue. Sorry,I kind of derail you. What? We didn't.
We just started.Hey, how's it going, everybody?
Thanks for joining in.Whatever this was. Yeah.
So I'm going to introduc the episode.
I said that our introduce introducethe episode.
It's going to be, mysterious mysteries.
(02:11):
So it's extra mysterious.
Yeah. Okay.
Yeah.
Of of the mysterious varietythat we don't know about.
An enigmatic tale that I mean, wonder
and cold.
It's, no celebrity actresses.
Female.
So it's only females. Female actresses?
Yes. That.
(02:32):
So this is from the redundant departmentof the Redundancy Department.
I think
all these things just overexplaincelebrity, and they're famous.
Okay,
well, at least
it's an actressthat's also a woman and female.
In this instance,I'm, like, writing a report.
I'm just trying to jam as many words in.
Yeah, you're.
We're just flying up.
(02:54):
And they all died or
mysteriously vanishedmysteriously right at the moment.
They stopped living and disappeared.
Okay. Sorry.
Good.
You're getting an A-plus for sure. Yeah.
Anyways,so I've got a list of a few celebrities
actresses,but it's like they're not actresses.
Some of them are just, like, famous.
(03:16):
What's the list about them? What?
All these women are famousand they disappeared.
Okay, that's the disappearances of famous.
Okay, okay.
Have you been inducted?
I'm inducted into the intothis hall of wondering
and enigmas and questions and mysteriesshrouded in riddles.
Okay. Fuck.
All right.
But, so do you think youwant to, get into before.
(03:39):
Oh, man, I should have hit the key.
I should have a few things.
We put this whole thing on pause.
Now that we just interrupted it.
I want to let tennis real quick,but then we'll come back to this.
No. Go ahead, go ahead. What's up?
Okay, so a coffee from thethese are my friends mugs.
Yeah.
Slurp loudly into the microphonejust to make sure you're listening.
(04:01):
Yeah.
All right.
So. Okay, I actually made a big list.
Good.
And it had males on it, too.
Okay. Of the other sexual variety.
Who cares about that? That.
But we're going females today, so,the first one
that we're going to be talking aboutis Tammy Lynn Leopard.
(04:21):
She was like, the first sentencethat I read is like, kind of weird.
Kenny LynnLeopard was an uncommonly beautiful child.
Is that weird? Is that fine?
I don't know, sure.
Uncommonly beautiful child they wrote.
Yeah,this is Unsolved mysteries.com. Okay.
She entered her first year.
Just a weird, just weird sentence.
(04:42):
I don't even know. Okay.
Go ahead, keep going.
Just. It seems like a weird wayto put it. Very weird.
Yes. Yeah.
She entered her first beauty, Crawley.
She entered her first beauty contestwhen she was just four years old.
By the age of 16,she had already competed in more than 300
beauty contests and had taken home280 crowns.
Her mother, Linda Curtis, a theatricaland modeling agent, guided Tammy's career.
(05:04):
You, a 280 crown out of 300.
That's pretty good.
That's so many events.
Yeah. What do I 16?
Yeah. Oh, by 16. Still no.Holy crap. What?
So an entire life of just being, like,created into an object 100%.
And I'm going.
I'm sure she wasn't modeling at the womb.
So let's say eight.
(05:24):
So natural. She was uncommonly beautiful.
The infant should be a modelfor the doctor anyway.
Just the narrator's been knownsince birth. Yeah.
This is her mom talking.
I was constantly busy
running her around to where she had to goand what she had to do, and I enjoyed it.
I enjoyed watching her excelbecause she would always went for the best
that she could, go for the highest level.
Because that's what you made her do.
(05:45):
Yeah.You think she just decided that anyway?
So yeah. No, 100%. Yeah,that was the 80s. It was a different time,
Wing Flanagan was a close wing.
Flanagan. That's a cool name.
Yeah. Was a close family friend.
He and Tammy were like brother and sister.
She was an uncommonly beautiful child.
You're like her brother, man.
Is that what he said? No. Yes. Oh, yeah.
(06:07):
Wing Flanagan, hazy real name.
Wing. Yeah. On the record.
Could you just call me wing, please?
Oh, well, this is wing Flanagan.
The name has not been alteredto protect his identity.
Wow. Okay.
But, she would.
Okay.
She would bend overand kiss me on the cheek,
(06:28):
and I couldn't quite everget it completely off.
It was rather embarrassingto walk around with this mark.
I think, actually,I learned to wear it proudly after a while
because it was almost like a statussymbol.
Thanks, wing. That's what wing said.
Okay, bend over and kiss me.
In July of 1982, Tammy landed a part onthe teen exploitation film Spring Break.
When the movie completed filming, Tammywent unchaperoned to a weekend party.
(06:49):
She came back a different person.
According to wing, Tammy's behaviorbegan to take on paranoid overtones.
Sometimes I'd ask her
what was on her mind,if anything was bothering her,
and she usually change the subject,or she'd say, oh, nothing, you know?
Then try to laugh it off
from wing's mouth. Yeah.
According to her mother, Linda eventhought someone was trying to kill her.
(07:10):
Then she said, mom,what would you say if I told you
somebody was trying to kill me?
I just took a deep breath and I said,
do you think someone's trying to kill you,Tammy?
She said, yes.
Then her mom was just like,okay, well, cool.
And then walked awayinto a different room.
Yeah, yeah, well, that's what you think,I guess.
Yeah. Yeah.
Crazy job.
Must be terrifying to think that.
Anyway,
(07:31):
a steady retreat into isolationsoon followed for Tammy.
Linda and wing had no way of ascertainingwhich of Tammy's fears were real
and which were paranoid delusions.
After two weeks of virtual seclusion,Tammy Tammy Lynn
was offered a small part in the big budgetAl Pacino film Scarface,
which began shooting in Miamiin March of 1983.
She stayed with a family friend,Walter Leibowitz.
(07:53):
Lev Level, something Jewish
level with sea level, whatever.
According to Walter.
All wentwell until the fourth day of filming.
I received a callfrom the casting director
to tell methat Tammy had a breakdown on the set.
They said that it was a scene
where somebody was supposed to be shotand had artificial blood spurt out,
and they said when Tammy was watchingthe scene, she started crying hysterically
(08:14):
and it got so badthat they had to take her to a trailer.
She was in a tremendous stateof fear, anxiety, what it was
that caused this great fear in her,I don't know.
When I spoke with Tammy's mother,I told her that
she should take Tammy to a doctorand also take her to the police
to find out what the problemwas psychologically,
or if there was some basis, in fact,that someone
was actually trying to kill herand getting to the bottom of it.
(08:36):
So, I mean, yeah, she probably triedto get to the bottom of it.
Yeah.
Either she's really afraid because of hermental state and that needs addressing.
Yeah.
Or it's founded in realityand that really needs addressing.
So what are they doingnot addressing any of this anyway.
Maybe the timeline is just
hysterical.
Yeah.
She's just crazy bitches being crazybitches, you know, you're always
(08:58):
dragging me off to one of your pageantsagain, trying to. God,
I don't mind going.
I don't mind taking youto all these things, but whatever.
Eight year old, Tammy Lynn quit the filmand went back home at her mother's
insistence,Tammy did talk to the local sheriff,
but apparently never mentionedthat she felt her life was in danger.
Even with her family. Tammy'sparanoia ran rampant.
(09:18):
According to wing, Tammy was now convincedthat someone was trying to poison her.
There were good daysand there were bad days.
There were dayswhen she was almost normal,
and there were other dayswhen she was really edgy.
Man, these people sound like idiots.
Yeah,
I don't know.
It's just like any normal personwho's dealing with a teenager,
it's like there were dayswhere she wouldn't
even come out of her room, like, yeah,that sounds like a teenage girl.
(09:41):
Yeah, like, but it's okay, you know?
But, I mean, she's terrified,and they're not taking her seriously.
I don't know,I really don't know what's going on here.
Sounds like the mom is trying her best.
From the last comment,
I guess it's easier said than doneand especially 2020 hindsight,
but yeah, yeah.
I mean, if my daughter was likesomebody trying to kill me, I'd be like,
okay, I'd do a little bitmore than just be like,
(10:02):
okay, this is all being overshadowedby how distracting this man's name is.
Wing. But
like, we can barely keep
this fucking cartoon character of a guywith, like, a bowler hat
when crying again.
Here I am again.
I mean, I'mjust here to try and help my family.
Friends?
Like, why don't you have your own businessto tend to win?
(10:22):
Oh, what the hell's wingsshort for, anyway?
Go on. That's all there is.
On July 1st, Tammy finally snapped.
She began smashing all the windowsin her house and started attacking wing.
It was at the moment that Linda knewsomething was seriously wrong
with her daughter,because who would attack Wing Flanagan?
No one saying that'swhat they actually take her
seriously, which he beats up wing. Yeah.
(10:45):
This is wing talking.
I handled the incident, but I didn't knowwhere in the face to slam
was a different time.
Oh, you act like I wouldn't do it. Yeah.
I'm good wing flying again.
I'm from 1934 anyway.
Go ahead.
Sorry. Fuck.
I handled that incident,
but I didn't know if I was goingto be able to handle the next one.
Okay, wings on it.
(11:08):
Who knows what will come next for me,
it's kind of turning to the narrative.
Main character. Yeah, of course.
Tammy's motherchecked her into a mental health center
for a complete physicaland psychiatric evaluation.
Doctorsfound no evidence of drug or alcohol use.
After 72 hours of observation,Tammy was released.
The following day, Tammy and a friend
drove to the local beach when,according to Detective Jim Spragg
(11:31):
of the CocoaBeach, Florida Police, Greg alone.
Okay.
Yeah.
They started to argue.
So wing and
no way Tammy and a friend drove.
Yeah, and a friend.
I don't know if it's or awhen they went to the beach,
her and her friend went to the.
Yeah, this friend picked her up
at her home and they drove to the beachand we talked to him.
(11:54):
Okay. This is dude friend.
Yeah, definitely the one who did it.
Yeah, definitely the bad guy. He's a dude.
And he basically started that.
They became involved in a verbal argument.
She had requested that he let her outnear the glass bank in Cocoa Beach,
and he complied.
What kind of other kind of argument?
A verbal argument,I don't know, sexual argument.
Like a physical argument. That's
(12:17):
like just no words at all.
Just this bitch slapping each other. Yeah.
Anyway, I just I'm sorry.
I'm just catching a little few redundantthings here
trying to get their word count up.That's good.
Yeah.The verbal argument. Let's do it. Yeah.
Exchanging when they disagreed together.
So I wrote this article. Yeah.
This is all bullshit.
No kidding.
(12:37):
Tammy's friend said he dropped her offabout five miles from her house.
She was barefoot and carried no purse.
According to detectives.
Greg, it was the last timeTammy Lynn would ever be seen alive.
She disappeared without a trace.
We talked to some of her close friends.
They felt stronglythat Tammy was having problems at home,
and she wanted to leave home.
Tamerlan.
(12:58):
Leopard is five feet, four inch tall,
and at the time of her disappearance,weigh 103 pounds.
She has blond hair and hazel eyes.
If you see her, let us know. Contact.
These are my friends.
Yeah, that's that's that's insane.
So that's how the video ended.
When was this?
Like 1983?
Yeah.
So if you see her, she'll have gray hair.
That's not.
She's probably.
(13:18):
She's probablypushing two hundo now. Yeah.
Well, do you think
she could be on the run?
She was like five feet tall.
She's on the run, Reuben.
Anyway, enough, enough.
Rest in peace.
We, Two, two. You don't know?
She disappeared. Okay.She probably just wanted to leave home.
She's sick and tired of being
fucking wig, claimingthat the dude's like, we can just leave.
(13:41):
We can just never go back there. And then.
So they did that.
That's what I like to think.
Yeah, maybe some say he was her wing man.
I send on that note mic drop.
Thanks.
He's laughing hysterically.
I just need to go home.
Yeah.
Insert laughter from a different podcast.
Yeah.
(14:04):
Yeah, you're going to wantto, but for something else.
Yeah.
Okay. So that's the first, disappearance.
You want to go over
anything that we, we covered in that oneor is that I we we took too long.
Okay.
But she's. You can see her in Scarface.
She is in a scene in Scarface,which is kind of in a scene.
Yeah, just a random scene.
So she was thethere's a movie called Spring Break.
(14:26):
Like, kind of like a big indie filmthat she was in.
And then she was in Scarface,
which would have been a pretty big deal,but then she vanished.
Yeah. Had a fucking manic episode. Right.
And then left the left, leftthe film under.
She probably just witnessedsomething terrible at that party, I guess.
So I did watch the episode on on this case
on Unsolved Mysteries and It goes delvesa little bit deeper into it.
(14:50):
And she did.
They think that
she might have saw a drug deal go wrongand somebody get shot or something,
and then
they just, like she saw, freaked outwhen she saw the murder in the future.
I thought that maybe it was just
because she was supposedto be enacting her own demise, basically,
and she was afraidsomeone was trying to kill her.
So there's, like, snapped.
No, I think you just watching a scenewhere
(15:10):
somebody got fucked up with a gun, okay?And it just, like, triggers them.
They start crying. Yeah, yeah.
But so she. Yeah, she saw.
They think the theory isthat she saw something she shouldn't have.
And the people were trying to keep silent,I guess, but, like,
wouldn't we know and wouldn'tthe authorities know if another crime
had been committed at that partyor around then?
True. Like, it's not like it's a mystery.
Maybe she saw someone get shot and dieand no one else knows or cares about
(15:35):
that guy. Like it was weird.
Everybody's covering.
Got it. Got holes all swept under the rug.
And only she knows about it. It's like,Holy crap.
Yeah, it was right to the top.
The only loose end was her.
Yeah. Wing Flanagan.
Are you fucking kiddingme, dude? Fuck, yes.
Like,
oh, this guy
or I don't know.
(15:57):
Holy fuck.
That guy ruined that story.
This poor woman is disappeared.
Holy fuck.
Actually, that guy's parents or whatever.
Yeah, as if they named him wing it.
Little baby wing I know, I know,I hate it, I know right, next thing.
Next, next. Poor horrible.
Holy fuck. Okay,
this one comes from, a list that you sent to.
(16:21):
Much more condensed.
So a girl named Sandy Denny, she died by falling downstairs.
That's it.
It's not a mystery at all.
We know what happened.
Okay? This one's not a mystery. You.
She didn't actually know what happened.
But Sandy Denny possessedone of the most hauntingly pure singing
voices of her generation.
She released a string of highly regardedfolk albums with Fairport Convention.
(16:45):
While classic rock fans undoubtedlyremember her best from a duet
on The Battle of Evermore,
which made her the only guest vocalistever to appear on a LED Zeppelin album.
Denny died on April 21st, 1978,just weeks after falling down some stairs
and hitting her head on the concrete.
Said her husband and had leftwith their daughter due to the singer's
substance abuse.
Denny was discovered unresponsivewhile staying with a friend.
(17:05):
She died days later.
From what doctors to termedmid brain trauma.
Said. Yeah, that's very tragic.
That is very sad.
You got to be on a LED Zeppelin song,so that's cool.
I guess we more than a lot of peoplehere. Her legacy.
Yeah. Anyway,
Thanks, Jeff. Job.
Thanks.
I was just sad and not at allenigmatic, mysterious or.
(17:29):
Some girl in head.
And she was on a LED Zeppelin album.
Oh, damn. Damn.
Okay, this one's from uphere, girlfriend.
She sent.
She's like,oh, do you talk about Britney Murphy?
I've heard about that whole thing for you.
Yeah.
A little known actresscalled Britney Murphy.
Yeah.
Conspiracy. Wow.
(17:50):
I just Mike Tyson the fuck out of that.Okay, we're gonna leave that alone.
Conspiracy theories link Diddy to BritneyMurphy's death.
Really?
Yeah. Each
recent online discussions have reigniteda conspiracy theory connecting
Sean Diddy Combs to the untimely deathof actress Brittany Murphy.
Central to this speculation
is the involvement of Ed Winter,the Los Angeles County deputy coroner
(18:10):
who conducted autopsies for both Murphyand Kim Porter, Diddy's former partner.
So on December 20th, 2009, actressBrittany Murphy
passed away at the age of 32.
The Los Angeles coroner's officeruled her death accidental,
attributing it to pneumonia,iron deficiency anemia, and multiple drug
intoxication from over-the-counterand prescription medications.
Despite the official findings, Murphy'sfather, Angelo, I'm just gonna call him
(18:34):
Angelo, had publicly expressed suspicionsthat his daughter was poisoned.
Suspicions? Yeah. He suspected.
They suspected, citing high levelsof heavy metals found in her system.
Kim Porter, a model and actresswho had a long term relationship
with Eddie, was found deceased in her homeon November 15th, 2018.
She was 47 years old.
(18:55):
The coroner's report determinedthat Porter died from lobar pneumonia,
so pneumonia again and the manner of deathwas certified as natural.
Wow. So he just paid to cover itup. And so.
Yeah. And essentially,trying to mix it up a little bit.
Nope. Pneumonia. Right. Cool. Dude. Yeah.
Ed Winter servedas the deputy Los Angeles
County coroner and was involved in severalhigh profile cases,
(19:16):
including the deaths of Michael Jackson,Whitney Houston.
As per reported by TMZ,
he conducted the autopsiesfor both Brittany Murphy and Kim Porter.
Winter passed away on March 17th, 2023,reportedly of natural causes pneumonia.
Fuck, dude.
L.A.,man, you're gonna get pneumonia. She's.
So this is a conspiracy.
She slipped on some baby oiland hit his head.
(19:38):
He has any idea how?
And then they ruled it pneumonia.
Yikes.
The theory suggests that Diddy mayhave been involved in Brittany Murphy's
death, potentially to prevent her fromexposing alleged misconduct in Hollywood.
Speculators point to the coincidence of EdWinter handling both Murphy's
and Porter's autopsies,
and the fact that Winter passed awaybefore
completing a second autopsy on Porteras potential evidence.
(20:01):
Additionally, connections are drawnbetween Murphy's husband, Simon
Jack and Diddy through a personal trainer,further fueling speculation.
Family's responses.
Both Brittany Murphy and Kim Porter's
families have addressed these conspiracytheories.
Murphy's family had addressed a desirefor a proper investigation,
while Porter's childrenhave publicly denied claims that their
mother wrote a memoir before her death,labeling such claims as false and hurtful.
(20:24):
Writing a memoir.
So people said that she wrote a memoir,and the kids are like,
no, she didn't stop saying that.
I mean, unless it'ssomebody trying to make like
this is her memoir,she says, I died of pneumonia, right?
Right.
And they're claiming it was hers.And the kids are like, that's insulting.
She didn't write anything.Yeah, this is fake. Okay, okay, okay.
So the conclusion while the coincidencessurrounding these case
(20:45):
have led to speculation, it's importantto note
that official causes of deathfor both Brittany Murphy
and Kim Porter have been determinedby the Los Angeles coroner's office.
There's no concrete evidence linking Diddyto Murphy's death, and the conspiracy
theories remain unsubstantiated.
And he is a very slippery dude.
So it wouldappear, I guess that's just coming out
because of obviously all this shitthat's coming out with, with with Combs.
(21:06):
And apparently she was probably like,
saw him at a fucking partydoing his Diddy thang.
And he was like, silencer.
Yikes.
Yeah, I heard WingFlanagan was at that party too.
Yeah, for sure.And he was like, crack his knuckles.
And then just went, FollowBrittany Murphy.
Man, somebody's going to expose me. Yeah.
But then so it was a little deeperand without divulging too far, Belgian,
(21:29):
I don't know.
Anyways, I'm not sure about the bulging,
the husband
also apparently died three yearslater of pneumonia.
Dude. Yeah.
And apparently he had a thing withBrittany Murphy's mother after they died.
This is too much.
It's too much for me.
Yeah. So it's all very scandalous. Yeah.
(21:51):
So there is. It's always been,like, rumor.
They just basically said she OD'd.
Was what I heard and then had pneumonia.
So she was unhealthy to drugs, overdose.
But a lot of conspiracieshave been coming since day
one that she knew too much.
And they were going to silencer.
Who that.
Yeah, was saying that
(22:11):
now we find this P Diddy maybe but she's.
Yeah it's guys it's a villain at the,at the center of all sorts of debauchery.
Yeah.
And now it's probably like he didone too many crimes
and they're like, man,we can't keep covering for you, bro.
Like, you can't keep dogging. Dogging us.
Just too many claims came out fromtoo many people or whatever, you guess.
And exposed a bunch of stuffthat now can't be put back in them.
(22:32):
You can't just pay a coroner to be,like, pneumonia.
Yeah, yeah.
But yeah, I mean, it's crazy, like,
it's all horrific.
All the, the,the SAR charges and all that. Yeah.
But then you, you know,
I don't know, like,I feel like it's about equal murder.
Like, I always thought,like, murder is supposed to be
the worst thing you can do, but, like,I don't know, like, say, charges like that
(22:55):
to me.
Like, it's almost as bador worse as popping somebody.
You just ruin somebody's fucking life.
Like you just,I don't know, I don't know why more
emphasis isn't put on it.
You know how very bad that isto do that shit. Like.
And there's something to be saidabout that, because if you are in that
pie chart of, say, when you go to jail,the other the other people
(23:17):
there don't take too kindlythat you're the one that's going to go.
That's what I'm saying.
Even even in prison, like,it seems like humanity has kind of like
put the hierarchy in the right order
in that way, like in jail, like therethere is potential.
Not saying it'sgood to kill people at all.
I'm not condoning killing people,ever. It's never a good idea.
I'm just saying I understand it more oftenthan I understand sexual assault,
(23:38):
yes I do, it doesn't compute with meto to do the wrongness.
I mean, I've wanted to kill people before.
You don't do it. Yeah.
You know. Thanks.
Yeah, I understand that feeling, right.
Like I hate this person.I can't stand that they did this.
I'm mad at them right now.
Any number of emotions, all these things.
I can imagine myself being in a situationwhere I would want to really do something
bad to somebody.
(23:58):
But when it comes.
But, well, of course, that'swhy we're not all in jail.
That's right. Right. But like,
what I don't understand is
how how in the I don't know,it's like in the court of law,
ruining somebody's life completelyand violating
them is like, somehow less badthan getting angry enough to kill a guy,
(24:20):
you know, or I don't know, it'shard to have levels to it.
Right? Like.But in prison, if you kill the guy.
Yeah. I mean, here because I killed a I'm.
It was a gang banger or something.
Yeah. Shoot somebody that's very bad.
That's evil and awful.
But I understand it a little bit more.
And I, even people in prisonseem to be able to accept that more
so than
I took advantage of someone weaker than mein the creepiest and grossest way ever.
(24:41):
And I'm a basically a piece of human scum,right?
Like that's different.
That's like so much like,you know what I mean?
Like, I know I feel like, how do you,like, quantify the levels of badness
in that somebody can do, do like an ass,you know,
have you ever seen those YouTubechannels of s tier list?
It's like s a wow.
Yeah, that's random s a b c d. Yeah.
And it's like,okay, we're going to rate. Yeah.
(25:02):
My murder's supposed to be here I guess.
But like it's more of an A tier or likewar crimes or something is up there.
Yeah.
Like but you know, murderfirst degree, second
degree depending on if it's out of angeror if you planned it.
All these different levelsof how bad murder could be.
But like how bad?
The only thing and I'm not equally bad tome, you know, we're just talking so bad.
We're just talking, like,not hypothetically, but just
(25:25):
what's I don't know.
Anyways, we're talking in a waythat this is obviously all bad, but.
Well, yeah.
No, I say it's like with,
say you at least have a chanceas long as it's not a and then murder.
I just think you have a chance.
I don't know what the answerobviously the law you can come back people
smarter than I have made the lawthe way it is.
Right?
I understand that, but it just in my mindI'm like, it's bad, it's it's bad.
(25:48):
I wanted to do something like to a kidor something like that.
Oh, you might as well as kill the dude.
I think it's worse than if you shot a guy.
Yeah, you know what I mean?
Like,
even though the law will let youout of jail, but not if you shoot a guy
like it's breaking it. I think a lot ofpeople have problems with that law.
Actually, what separates us from the bisonis discipline and acting on creepiness.
(26:11):
I don't see a lot of creepinesscoming out of the bison.
Right.
You more like them.
Sure, they kill each other, but.
But they're not out.They're touching each other.
I don't know,I think that's analogies gotten far away.
Yeah. Fuck.
Anyway, I was just wondering.I don't know what my point was at all.
I was just wondering.No, I'm thinking out loud.
Kind of.
It's, philosophical, but,yeah, I don't know.
(26:32):
It's it's like looking at those thingsin a certain way where it's like.
Yeah, I know, I think the only waythat it's like slightly
not as bad is because the person,obviously they're mentally fucked,
but they have a chance to continue going,maybe have they have kids,
maybe they have a lifethat they have to go back to.
They have something worthwhile.
They can go back to their kidswhere if you ask somebody,
they don't have the chanceto do any of that.
(26:54):
Yeah. I see what you're saying. Yeah.
So, like, that's the only whereit's like, okay, well, you didn't
permanently determine their fate. You.
Just because we don't knowwhat death is, it's like,
pretty muchthe worst thing you can do to someone.
Because we have no idea what it isyou just did to them.
You took them right out of this world.Exterminated.
Can't even havinga, stake in the world anymore.
And that's really brutal.
Yeah.
It's true. That is very bad.
(27:15):
That's the that's the.
But then at the same time,
and in a lot of the chargesare probably people like incels
that yeah, aren't doing too welland the lady already situation brains.
Yeah. Their brains are fucked upand their looks like well fuck it.
Like I want to like their instinctstake over.
Like the basicallythe opposite of justifying it.
It's just, you know,just trying to trying to understand.
(27:37):
They understand.
Trying to figure out what the fuck,and then they just act on their instance.
It's like even murder.
It's like it's a fleeting momentthat everybody that does it, it's like,
wow, I guess if you didn't,if in that moment, like,
you just didn't care whatsoeverin a full moment of like,
you know, get all the buzzwords here,I was going to say self death, you know,
sheets of death thoughts, you know,
(27:59):
thinking of like, I'mjust going to leave the world anyway.
And if you don't think hell exists,you're just like, fuck it, right?
I'm going to oblivion.
Then I guess maybe you could,you know, if right and wrong didn't
exist in your brainand you're sociopathic, so you can't
understand that someone else has feelingsand will feel this forever.
Yeah.
You know, like, I guess that that is howyou end up in this situation of humanity.
(28:21):
But like, at that point, don'twe just need to, like, wipe them out?
Yeah.
Like like this doesn'tseem like a cure there other than death,
you know what I mean?
Like, I hate to say it, but, like, fuck,I'm want to be compassionate for people,
and I want to be, you know,but I feel a little bit humanity here.
But, like, above all,we protect children, right?
Like as humans.
Like, above all, we protect the weak.
(28:42):
And so women and children
shouldn't be taken advantageof by bigger, stronger men
who just want to do whatever.
Right. End of story. Right?
That that's that'swhat separates us from the bison.
I think what you're saying you
over that two, itseparates us from the animals basically.
You know, like we should have societythat protects the weak.
Right? But. Right.
It's like,I don't know what are our pointers
(29:02):
rambling now,but that's the that's that's a lot.
And people are like yes I agreeI don't. Agreed.
Shut up you guys. We all agree
it's bad.
You don't have a stake in thisbecause you can't talk.
Yeah, I like this whole conversationI don't care.
That's hilarious. Okay.
Anyways, back to the mysterious mysteries,
but actually, first,I think we have a sponsor
that is a
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And we're back.
So this one's called this one.
This person,
(30:04):
this lady was called Connie Converse,
the singer songwriter who vanished.
Scrub by and came.
I told you so I was.
There's another thingthat I want to get into,
and I'm not going to try and derailthis too far, but I just watched the one
hour and 50 minutedocumentary on automatons.
You know, those are. Is the robot. Yes.
(30:26):
And it like, went from the history of likethe first people like bc making a totem
tons all the way up to Walt Disneyand the Country Bear Jamboree.
Sagan automatons.
No, no,
it's. I heard you say it.
What are you talking about?
The first people that made it back.
Like beforeChrist, people were creating robots.
(30:49):
Like,
Yeah, it's like a songbird.
I'll do more researchbefore I delve into this.
And I was like,I was going to delve into this,
but then I was just like, fuck,I need to write real.
In the ad.
I can go from like, CrazyGirl's Gone Missing to robot.
I did, and I guess I didanyway, you did that.
So we'll talk about automatonsin a minute.
Go back to the missing girl, okay?
(31:10):
Yes, yes, she.
I'm here to help.
Thank you.
Yeah, well,stay tuned for the next episode.
Yeah, that's a little like episode,
but by the time Ethan
go on.
Fuck me.
Holy shit.
Yeah. The next episode, we'll talk aboutWalt Disney.
(31:30):
The singer songwriterConnie Converse has been described by fans
as a precursor to Bob Dylan.
But when she made music in New York Cityin the early to mid 1950s, no one paid
much attention.
So she left the music sceneto start a new life.
Then one day in 1974,converse and her music disappeared.
Decades later, in 2009,
a few early recordings were releasedfor the first time,
(31:51):
and suddenly ConnieConverse had an audience.
Ever since,
those fans have been working to share hermusic and story with the world.
One of them,author and musician Howard Fishman,
published a comprehensive biographyof converse in May titled To Anyone
Who Ever Asks the Life, Music,and Mystery of Connie Converse,
and now a new album containing32 songs will be released August 11th.
(32:12):
It's a recording, Congressman. Bless you.
We're still coming up, 2003.
No, sorry, 2023.
That's coming out in 2003.
All right.
A quarter century ago,
here we get ready for this.
Just reading a newspaper. Thank you.
(32:33):
Are you getting your stories from you?
The New York Herald 2003 edition.
After she suedBob Dylan for stealing her music.
No question 11.
Police reported this for 20 years ago.
It's all been solved by now. Yeah.
People are calling in like,no, no, we know this is nonsense.
Podcast. Fuck.
(32:55):
The recording contractmade herself at home in 1956.
She called it.
That's pretty good.
In 1956. Yeah.
She recorded at home recording yourself.
That's the craziest part of the SoundCloudbefore SoundCloud.
Yeah, well,I think you can record on SoundCloud, but.
Okay. Yeah,
yeah, she was the first mumble rapper.
That's what this is about.
Wow. Fishman joined NPR's
(33:16):
person's name.
I'm not going to try to pronounceto talk about the
singer and composer.
Hear the complete radio story above.
Fuck.
Roger,
I probably should have, like, a story.
That part. Yeah. Yeah, yeah.
Did you copypaste that part into your notes?
Yeah. Redacted. Redacted. Yeah.
(33:37):
So yeah, NPR thank you. NPR.
So I, I watched,
watch Mojo.
Have you heard of that channel on YouTube?No, they're a list channel.
It was 15 people that went missing.
Boys and girls.
And, that was on it.
And I was like, oh, that's interesting.
And, yeah,she was a folk singer from the 50s.
She went mysteriously disappearing.
She went mysteriously disappearingand never came
(33:59):
back. So.
Oh, here he goes. There you go. Sorry.
Right after deciding the musicmaybe wasn't the avenue
that was going to be open for her,she left.
And for the next decadeworked on a social justice champion,
working in conflict resolution,working against police brutality.
And then she disappearedas a social justice champion.
(34:21):
Yeah. Okay. Yeah.
She wrote letters to her familyand friends saying that she was going
to start a new life somewhereand not to come looking for her,
and she was neverseen or heard from again.
So that's that's, that's a nice happyending for some people
that some people,like dream of this super cool.
Except for it's you don't explainto your family where you are.
(34:43):
You probably send a letter,but it probably wasn't written by her.
Maybe. Exactly.
So I watched enough true crimewhere every time that happens,
it's like I'm gone.Don't come looking for me.
It's a murderer. Of course. Yeah. There's.
Okay.
I'll respect her wishes, see a kid,and then never talk to her again.
Yeah. Don't even come looking.
Yeah, that's that'swhat a murderer would think to do.
I know what I'll do.
Yeah, I ran away.
(35:04):
And don't search under the stairs. Yes.
Don't be looking in my secret spot.
Yeah,
yeah, I know so.
And I watched a different casewhere that happened in there.
Like sending,like the murderer was actually sending
letters from, like, Paris and like,oh, I'm traveling the world, like,
a lot of times. Oh, that's horrifying.
And then the the family is like,okay, like,
obviously we know this isn't her,but we have
(35:27):
nothing to say that it isn't her.
Can you just.
If you are alive, give us ahow do and we'll leave you alone.
Can you let us know like putyour family's is I'm a shit like.
No. That's horrifying.Don't nobody do that.
If you're trying to move away,just tell people.
Yeah, I'd say something like,you're allowed to leave, just leave.
But you have to let
your family know where you're going,because that's very horrifying for people
to not know where you are.
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Like, I have family that lives likenorthern BC and I don't see them a lot.
Like,
all you got to do
is move a couple province over,move a couple states over,
and you'll probably have a pretty isolatedlife.
Like they have to move to avoid you.That what they.
Yeah. Yeah, they all left me. Holy crap.
It's another mysterious mystery.
But that'sfor another time with the automatons.
(36:09):
And yet you thoughtI forgot about the automatons?
I didn't.
Oh, that's good, because that's goingbe on the next episode, I think,
unless I forget about it and see
five other documentariesabout five different things
that I want to talk about,which I probably will.
And the last one that I got,have you heard of Mia Zapata?
She was part of a band,and she was friends with Kurt
Cobain in the early 90s,and they like to ring a bell.
(36:32):
The guitar was the band.They didn't quite make it.
They were on their way.
But then this happenedand never had a chance.
And yeah, she was, she was a pretty talented.
Yeah. Musician in, like,the Seattle grunge scene.
Like, with all those bands. Yeah.
So Jesus met
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the man convicted of the 1993murder of popular Seattle musician.
Died in Washington Hospital in January.
Waiting.
He he did it. Yeah.
You know,that's not a mystery anymore. Oh,
fuck.
His ears did it?
Yeah.
MySQL or whatever his name is, mosquito,I think.
(37:15):
Yeah.
His was from Quito.
Fucking, man,
I had this, and I was reading it,and then if I can just cock blocked me.
Rolling Stone wants fucking 995 out of me.
Well, fuck you, rolling Stone.
I like,are you giving away all your sources?
I watched this thing and they did this.
So I'm telling you now.
(37:36):
It's like a three year old five guys.
I watched Barney and he.
He told me to be nice.
And now I'm telling you, that'swhat I do now.
I don't think that was what I meant, but
thank you.
Hey, man.
Yes and yesand. Oh, yes, it's how we roll.
Okay.
Mia's a paddle at this,and that's all. Yes.
And that's it. Yeah.And that's all, folks.
(37:56):
Okay, last one, I promise.
She led the punk groupthe Get and Seattle
during the grunge years beforeshe could be in the national spotlight.
She was our awarded and murdered in 1993.
Yeah.
God, man, a new bookremembers her life and work.
At the beginning of the 1990s,the nation's ears turned toward Seattle.
Alice in Chains and Soundgardenintroduced a menacing new sound.
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And then came the song that changedeverything
Smells Like Teen Spirit.
No. Nirvana bumped Michael Jacksonfrom the number one
spot on the album charts,and suddenly there was a feeding frenzy
to find the next big thing,a new book recounts at the time.
From a unique vantage point,
the Jets were a punk band.
(38:38):
Jesus, the Jets were a punk bandnot quite in tune with grunge.
Steve Moriarty was their drummer.
The Jets never got a chanceto enjoy the national recognition.
Their lead singer, muse aboutit was R-word and murdered in 1993.
The crime went unsolved for ten years.
Most of what's written about the Jetstoday involves the death
of their frontwoman.
Steve Moriarty's new book is About life.
It's called music and the Jets.
And just to note, the interviewincludes a mention of the S-Word.
(39:02):
Okay, this is just selling a book.
Yeah. Anyways, long story short. So she.
Yeah, she was on the grunge scene.
I watched an Unsolved Mysteriesabout her too.
She was in the grand schemethey were coming up to,
a pretty high
point in their career, but obviouslythey didn't break towards success here.
Yeah.
And then, Yeah, it was, a gentleman, that
(39:23):
absolute piece of filth, total garbage.
I think it was an acquaintance.
And yeah, he took her,
took advantage of her one nightand then disposed of her.
And ten year it took him ten, ten yearsto solve that mystery.
Yeah.
Me as a part of the get.
Well, I listened to the music.
I could see it at the time.
(39:44):
It was kind of raw, but,
one love.
Respect. Jeez. Yeah.
Anyways, that's basicallyall there is to say about her.
Yeah, but,
Yeah, it it goes on and on and on.
And this is just trying to sell the bookabout her, which I guess, sure.
But anyways, yeah, so that's my, Oh.
(40:06):
Now, how can you have a list of mysteriousmysteries of women
disappearing without trouble?
Amelia Earhart
proof.
I was holding up.
This is a bonus sensitivity.
Police need to talk to you, Dylan.
And how can you have a listof missing women
(40:27):
without all.
Anyways.
Oh, shit.
Oh, let me guess. These.
She flew off into the sunand everyone just kept squinting.
And then they never saw her again.That was it.
Last they saw.
Yeah, pretty much.
Fuck.
(40:49):
And then, job.
Job did give me a bonus entry triggeror trigger? Trigger warning.
Because it does have a mention of,the R-squared.
So we talked about Dick VanDike last week.
Wait, is that really you didn'tfinish the story about Amelia Earhart?
Oh, I thought you justwrapped it up. Was that it?
That is our fly off.
They don't know no one's our land.
(41:11):
Oh, geez.
You don't?
Yeah.
It it just. Well, she flew to the.
Someone else better write a book about it.I guess she's gone.
That was a reason. Right?
To fly right in the sky.
But what happened?
Fuck, I thought it was.
That was your polite way. Be like enoughpeople have talked about this.
We don't know,I don't know. Oh, okay. Okay.
(41:32):
Oh, my God, you really.
We're going to skip over it.
No, no no no no,I'm just committing to the bit.
Amelia Earhart is one of history'smost prominent figures in aviation,
having inspired numerous movies, booksand plays.
Born in 1897, in Kansas, Earhart
rose to fame because of her trailblazingaccomplishments as a female aviator.
At the time, being both a woman and a pilot meant being met with many obstacles.
(41:56):
And even her own family discouraged herfrom learning how to fly.
However, despite those challenges,she set many records in aviation
and became the first female pilotto fly alone across the Atlantic Ocean.
And then I have a random I just have to.
What the fuck?
Hyper sexuality is not infidelity.
It's an ADHD response. Yeah,
(42:17):
okay.
Anyway, girl, you know.
Anyway, for her accomplishmentsalone, Earhart
earned herselfa degree of legendary status.
However, it is in her unfortunatedisappearance after she set off on her
ambitious global flight of 1937that has captivated people to this day.
On June 1st, 1937, Earhartand Fred Noonan,
her navigator, set out from Oakland,California, on their eastbound
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transcontinental flight on a twinengine Lockheed Electra plane.
Less than a month later,they reached New Guinea, have flown
22,000 miles, and with 7000 more to gobefore they reach Oakland once again.
After departing from LA,they had to fly another 202,500 miles
before they reached their next stop,Howland Island,
an incredibly small islandnext to the Pacific Ocean to refuel.
(43:02):
Unfortunately, overcast skies, radiotransmission issues, and low fuel
meant that the EarhartNoonan did not reach their destination
despite extreme effortsto locate the plane, which ended up
constituting the most expensive airand sea search in American history.
Up to that point, there were no sign ofEarhart Noonan anywhere.
Earhart was officially declared dead on
July, sorry, January 5th, 1939.
(43:24):
And, so kind of was honestly.
Yeah. What I said.
Yeah. Well. Oh, yeah.
I didn't know how she passed away.No, I didn't know that.
Oh, okay. Okay.I thought everybody knew about Earhart.
Well, I knew that she was ait was a was a pilot,
but I didn't really knowanything else about it.
Yeah, she was trying to, like, I guess,basically try to fly around the world.
Yeah. In 80 days.
And didn't make it.
(43:45):
Yeah.
And, there's.
But, yeah, there's been like,speculations of, like, oh, we found her
airplane, but I think it's it's all been,like, mostly bullshit, right?
In its report, the U.S governmentconcluded that Earhart Noonan
had run out of fueland crashed into the vast ocean.
What happenedafter the crash is still unclear,
given the mystery surrounding this event.
Several theories have emergedthat are still being debated to this day.
(44:06):
One theory suggeststhat Earhart was a secret agent
for the US government,and that she was taken prisoner
by the Japanese for trying to spyon Japanese occupied islands.
The more widely believed theoryis that Earhart
Noonanreached an uninhabited island, Nikumaroro,
which artifacts such as tools and aircraftwreckage have been discovered.
No theories
has ultimately been proven true,and so Earhart's disappearance remains
(44:27):
one of the most popular mysteriesof American history.
Despite the tragic end to Erin's life,her accomplishments and her legacy
still serve as an inspiration to thousandsof budding young pilots everywhere.
Nice. Yeah.
Okay. So there. Yeah, yeah. Pretty good.
The sad as it is, it'sdefinitely not as tragic and horror
horrifying as some of these other ones.
Yeah. And.
(44:49):
I guess constituteslike doing what she loves
and doing something pretty admirable.
We're trying a massive adventurethat nobody had ever done before.
Imagine how you would feel likejust flying in that day and age.
Yeah, like in a plane like that with you,
with your goggles onand you're just ripping
through the sky like, just man and like,holy crap, you would just be.
Your heartwould be pounding the whole time
(45:10):
and just being like,I'm doing this really fucking cool thing.
I'm going to do this, you know?
Yeah, like make my nameand like different, different,
parts of the world, different weather,like all the different stuff.
Obviously something that they couldn'thandle at the time, came upon them.
Bad weather or whatever,you know, low fuel, who knows?
Right. So.
And this is just not safe doingthat shit is crazy dangerous.
Even now, you have to think of all the,the, precautions that they take nowadays
(45:35):
just to make sure that tragedies like that
are kept to the, to the,you know, the ultimate minimum.
Right?
You know, but, in fact,then it's just like, off
we go, flying through the fucking airin a, like a bunch of
metal, like, oh, it's crazysad reality of it too, is progression.
You don't know what you can accomplishuntil you try.
And that sometimes happens with trying,you know?
(45:55):
Yeah, yeah.
Peopledefinitely pass away doing less than that.
Yeah. You know soand and at a different time.
And that's the other thing tooI know I'm, I'm,
I'm staying away from the automatons.
But like seeing what they were doingback are we,
are we not going to talk about them.
You know, I,I could do a whole episode on.
Okay, we're going to do a whole episodeon like, excited.
Dude, our next automaton episode. Yeah.
(46:15):
And if you don't like automatons
or you think that's going to be boring,it's really cool.
And if you don't,then we're going to talk about
more mysterious mysteries of the sceneright now.
Because on the next tour for my album,there's a song called Automaton
Assault Weapon.
Oh. That's perfect.
So maybe we should have a tour.
If I remember,we could talk about the automatons.
The tour.
Fi, lads, come and, listen about automaton.
(46:36):
Or I was thinking Dan Hatchet,
because he would be ableto talk about a lot of the history
smell when he's around.
Oh, yeah. Right, right.Yeah. I'm just kidding. Yeah, yeah.
You don't call himDan Kitchen for nothing.
Yeah, we don't call that.
But anyways, what my point is, is like
watching that stuff, what they did backthen and what they were able to create
and just the art, it's like, Holy fuck,they were doing this a thousand years ago.
(46:59):
And like, I'm proud of a drawing.
I did drunk one nightlistening to fucking. 303.
Right.
But you doa lot of other things in your life though.
Yeah, I know, I myself. Sure. Yeah.
I mean, if all you didwas make an automaton in your life,
you probably have a pretty dank assautomaton.
I'm just saying, you know,if that's all you were working
on, has all these to work on somethingelse. That's right.
It was called something else.
(47:19):
I do more than that.
But no, it's it's like an AI technologythat we didn't realize.
Yeah.
You know, and the,the art like even because it,
it basically goes from the beginningto like Country Bear Jamboree.
I'm sorry.
You're going to have to just break down.
What is what do you mean by an automatonwhen it comes to 8000 year old automaton?
This thing is not a robot walking around,you know?
So it's it's like a cog with like,little pieces on it.
(47:43):
And it was able to
they were able to get it to spin,and it would make little things move,
like birds flap their wingsand not so small like a mechanic.
Mechanic. Yeah, exactly.
And the cow, they're like all the piecesthat went into making that stuff.
Or like a bull raising its headand then it basically went from that
like 8000 years agoall the way to animatronic animatronics.
Country Bear Jamboree. Yeah.
(48:03):
What? Disneyland.
And and then you, like, just how amazing
the behind the scenes isand the technology that they had.
They partnered up with NASA to make those
automated
audio animatronics is what they're calledbecause they're powered by audio.
Anyways, I could get way into this.That's cool.
It's super sick. Yeah.
And yeah,but I also didn't want to be like,
(48:23):
oh yeah, Sad GirlsDisappearing and Country Bear Jamboree.
It's just like,man, pick a did you did that?
You never pick a layer.
You are riding a unicycle downthe middle of like
a, like a water circusand like a torture chamber.
Like it's just like, well,welcome to my brain are insane. And.
Yeah.
Oh, man, it's just like,so much cool stuff out there.
(48:45):
But, yeah,I do want to do a whole thing on it.
And if you want to watch it,his name is Kevin perjure.
Defund planned.
It's great documentaries.
The best at those things on YouTube.
Very wise guy. He's a wise guy. Yeah.
And he's like,and if you watch a lot of YouTube, I do.
I do.
I'm not getting mad at you, I do.
(49:05):
It's good you do, because otherwisewe wouldn't have much to talk about it.
Yeah. I just like so much interest.
It's like true crimeand and shit like that. It just. Man.
Anyways, shout out to Kevin Burger.Shout out to the funk Land.
Check that, new documentaryyou put out about a month ago.
If you have the time. It's really cool.
Anyways, is thereanything you want to spit before you?
Man, I've been sort of.
I mean, I'm kind of boring right now.
(49:25):
I've been just, like, hunkered down, doinga lot of work on the new tour for album.
We've been recording guitarswith the lads.
Cool.
Yeah, it's coming along really fast.
Like, it's kind of in secret, too.
I don't know how many of the people that
listen to toursif I listen to the podcast as well, right?
So if you are one of those amazing peoplethat crosses over and listens
to both things, then you can get excitedbecause there's like a new terrify record
(49:47):
being made very quickly here,jamming along really fast.
You know, drums are done,guitars are almost half done.
And then we just have bass and vocalsleft to record
and mixing and printing, blah, blah, blah.
So we're gonna have another record for youguys.
Like, way soonerthan anyone really expects, so keep it.
Shush. If you're hearing this message.
Yeah, I've made itthis far. You deserve to know.
(50:08):
That's right.
You deserve to know.
But let the other tour fans find outwhenever or whenever they find out.
Totally. Is it going to be releasedby the same record or is that.
We don't know.
We don't know, like, I honestly,we don't know anything about it.
All I know is that I'm working really hardto make it sound
fucking amazing and holy shit,it's sounding better than normal songs.
And it's just it's really hard to say that
because I loved the waythat Necronomicon sound pro as fuck,
(50:29):
but this is honestly like we're buildingit even stronger.
The songs are better,
they're more concise, like this shitis going to rip people's faces off.
You are honestly. Yes. Level up.
There's some riffs on therethat are unbelievable.
I'm allowed.
As I've said before, I'm allowed to say
the riffs are amazingbecause I don't write them.
Fair enough. Guitarists do.
So I can say that yeah,the drums are subpar.
(50:49):
I'm allowed to say that.
I will say that, yeah,I always say that, you know,
they could definitelyhave a better drummer, but no, no.
That's sick.
Can we know the name of the album?
I don't know if I want to drop itright now.
Okay, I know we have it,but I don't think that I want to say
it just yet.You're gonna have to wait for that one.
Perfect.
Okay, well, until then, I'mgoing to call this fifth album as well
underway compared to what people maybewould think or would assume.
(51:12):
And maybeall the stuff I was talking about
is a hint at their title,because I know what the title is,
and it's Country Bear Jamboree.
Dude, you have to delete this to the tourfor this Country Bear Jamboree.
It's not coming out this next year.
Dude,you got it. How did you how did you know
I'm playing?
I have no clue.
Anyway, so I've been doinga lot of editing guitars and, like,
(51:32):
you know, doing a lot of, recording guitars with the lads.
I've actually beenrecording a bunch of hip hop as well
with my buddy Jimmy Jam, as I said
at the beginning of the episode,we been trying to think of a group name
because we want to do liveshows really soon.
He's much more of a live rapper, right?
Than a studio guy like me.
I'm more of a studio rapper, but I'm.
I love live shows
and I just want to get out there more,so I want to be doing it eventually.
Hopefully Brad wants to join us as well.
(51:53):
Hopefully we can do some CA stuffas well. Would be really good.
You know,like I'm open to doing all of it.
I just really need to rememberthat side of myself.
Like, I'm, I'm, I'm equal partship hop and metal when it comes to that.
And I just, you know, hip metal,metal, metal kind of like, propels itself
really well
because I've got four other dudesthat are pushing me all the time,
and we meet up every week and we havethings like albums to do and discipline.
(52:17):
Well, it's just, you know, it'sthere's something to be said for, like,
you have a project you want to work on,
but you don't really know what to door how to work on it,
or you know how to,but it's going to be really daunting,
or it's going to take a long timeor whatever.
But tour for it's not like that tour.
It's just like you show up, you, you work,you put the work in,
you have guaranteed results.
We have shows to play, we have songswritten, we have albums done.
(52:39):
We have T-shirts to sell all that shit.
It's a giant engine that runs.
Yeah, it runswithout me showing up that week,
you know, like, I mean, yes,it needs all the parts and sucks
without the drums there, but like,I'm confident
the tour is fine if I take a week off,whereas my own hip hop,
just me by myself or even just with Brador whatever, it's like
there's not a lot of drive toto get it going where it's a tour.
(52:59):
If I we've got thousands of fansthat are like, yo, what's happening here?
Right?
Whereaswith like my hip hop, it's so underground
and like more for my own enjoymentand stuff
that I want to bring itmore to the forefront
and remind people that this is somethingthat I really do like.
I really love to do it.
So what made me and Jameshave made two songs, since the New year?
Cool. Already?
It's not even done January yet, but yeah,I had them recording in the Storify
(53:20):
jam space.
Actually, the other daywe did some vocals,
and so I've got to mix them all downand chop them up
and make them into a song,and then that'll be two.
Then I'm going to get to work.
I'm already kind of startedsome work on the third beat,
but I didn't like the way it was going,
so I deleted a bunch of shitand now I'm going to attack it again.
So yeah, I'm doing a shit ton of music,man. What's new with me? Nothing.
I always do fucking tons of music.
It's either hip hop or metaland I'm watching look,
(53:42):
and like somebody doing this, like this
podcast, like it's a labor of love,obviously.
Like you enjoy your creative person,your creative people
put so much work into this shit,you guys have no idea.
I Dylan is the workhorsebehind this podcast.
I will easily admit it's it's it, but it'sa passion and it's like a labor of love.
And you do a great joband it's like it's like.
And that's the same thing to say,but to really where it's like,
yeah, you have a working machinebecause you earned it.
(54:04):
Yeah.But it was years of the vehicle. Yeah.
Ten years of climbingthat mountain to get there.
Yeah.
So, so like if I want to, you know,for instance, say I want to
I want to build a house,
I walk out to the empty lot that I somehowhave and go, okay, let's start.
And I wouldn't knowwhere the first fucking thing to do.
Right?
Whereas a carpenter is like,
okay, well, we're going to have to startby doing this.
And he would just start to work.Yeah, right.
(54:25):
And so that's what it reminds meof photography.
Like I just show up at the tourif I jam space and there's things
I can do, whether it's social media,whether it's just drumming.
Yeah.
Or, you know, whether it'swriting with some new song, you know, or
before the guys get there, whether it'srecording, whether it's editing,
there's always something I can go toand just start working, no problem.
Right.
Whereas like before, like with hip hop
(54:46):
or with like maybe the podcast, like,I don't know what necessarily to do.
Like, yes, I know some stuff to do,but when I show up at,
okay, I want to put some workin, I'm not necessarily
100% like as confident about,like what's the next step to do.
Right?
But when I sit down to make beats,I'm like, yep,
boop boop boop,but but just start working into
the flow state right nowbecause I'm good at it.
I know what to do. So I don't know. It'sjust one of those things.
(55:07):
I guess.
It's just like anything
you're good at or you're not good at,but it's about knowing what to do.
It's not just like, put more hardwork, work harder, work harder.
It's like, how do I work harder?
I don't know, banging a nail, right?
You can beat the shit out of the,you know, a piece of wood
and put a million nailsin that piece of wood. What are you doing?
Nothing. Is just working really hard.
Yeah, you're not doing anythingstressing yourself out.
So, like, this is where I feel likewhen you don't know as much,
(55:30):
this is that I used to do thattype of thing
a lot more when I would try to recordmusic and record tours horrify.
But with this record, we knowwhat we're doing, we know how to do it.
We've measured the pieces more carefully.
Everything fits nicer.
Everything in the end just comes outlooking like a better house.
Just sounds nicer.
Everything just sounds fucking fantasticin this new album that we're working
(55:50):
on, and it's like,
I mean,
I looked into this for anybodywho gets a fucking fuck, but I look, I, I,
I deeply looked into the, the waveformsand like the,
the editing of all the songsand we as a, as a technique
to make the guitar sound big,we double track the guitars,
which is very difficult to do
because you're trying to make two guitarssound like one guitar.
(56:12):
Yeah. And the guy has to play itexcellent.
And I have to edit itto be exactly on top of itself.
So that only sounds like one guitar,but nice and thick.
Well, sometimes a guy would be doinglike a tremolo pick, like. But.
And only one of those noteskind of was a little bit soft.
You can see the waveforms are all nice.
Nice, nice little shitty one. Yeah.Nice nice nice.
(56:32):
And then the other track would be likenice nice shitty one.
Nice nice nice nice.And then it would cover the.
Any shitty ones would be coveredby good ones.
Right.That's why you double track the guitar.
So if the guy kind of just didn'thit the string exactly
as hard as all the other hits,it doesn't matter.
It's not like the take is no good.
We're going to back itwith the other one on this one.
I'm not allowing for any of that shit.There are no weaknesses.
(56:53):
Like I don't let do this thing.Exactly. We're doing it again.
We're fixing this note,we're blah blah blah.
So it should, in theory,come out even cleaner than economic songs.
Crazy. I got pissed finger.
That's the difference.
It's like, you know, from from onealbum to the next is usually quite
a large level up photography, thrashand burn all the way to infinity complex.
It's crazy.That's the biggest leap, maybe.
(57:13):
And then From Infinity Complexto Life is bad.
Another very big jump.
Maybe the biggest jump.
Or, you know, one of the biggest hitsgoing from life is bad to economic songs
because we shortened the songsby almost half, like, we really concise
ified our songs and like trimmed the fat,which to me it just, it leveled us up
beyond anything else.
Totally, you know, and just recording itourselves really helped too.
(57:36):
But now, now it'sjust like we know what to do.
Level up. Yes. Yeah.
It's another level up the roof.
It seemed like, okay, how am I goingto level up from an acronym of songs?
But I we are. Yeah. Like wewe definitely are.
So I'm stoked. I'm no longer rambling.
It's just me being excited about that.That's honestly.
And anyone who, is a is a co fan of both.
These are my friendsand I. I love you so much.
(57:57):
You're the best hella
I second that to our Country BearJamboree coming up 2026 2026.
Don't tell anybody.
Yeah.
Plus it's probably coming out 2025.
We're not talking about it.
We're not waiting all the way to 2026.Fuck that.
I work too fast and hard for that.
That's the next album.
You're already literallylike the next album.
Well, what's funny about thatis it's almost written up
(58:19):
like the one after the sixth.
Jesus Christ.
Yeah, I think there's maybe two songsto finish writing on that as well.
This is why we have to do it ourselves.
This is why we have to release
like an album a year,because we fucking pump out metal for us.
Yeah,we just get bottlenecked and yell back
and I've been and I haven't written
for a long time,like Ben and I would write ahead.
Usually he writes a little bitmore than the other guys
don't have as much time to write. Right.
(58:40):
So he'll write a ratio of of
about four out of eight songsand the other Simon and Adam, right.
To kind of thing.
I'm sure that they'd all liketo write the equal amount,
but Ben just spends more time doing it.
He really likes to write out
how he'll always show me those songs,and we'll be way ahead of the game.
Him and I can play through this album.
Six songs like No Problem.
Wow. And that's so silly.
Yeah, because no one's hearing them.
(59:01):
No one's even hearing some of the songsoff of the album.
Five yet live, no one's even hearing,you know, we're way back here, right?
Genius. Right.
Our our release is all three albums agoor two albums ago,
and our forefront of our writingis all like album six.
So just like this dumb conundrum to beand where it's like, well,
I want to write morebecause writing more is fun.
And we could and I could get better atdrums and write even more extreme drums.
(59:24):
But I have to go back backwardsand record the thing that I did last year.
Yeah. Which is now coming out this year.
You know what I mean? It's liketotally fantasy thing for most artists.
You just keep making more songsand never release anything.
Yeah. Tough cycle.
Good. Yeah.
And then you're just like, fuck.
Like, I don't know, get this outor it's all for nothing.
Yeah, there's there are bandsthat have the opposite problem. Obviously.
(59:44):
They're like, well,we only have four songs.
We have to get togethersome more material to make our EP,
and then they release an EPbecause that's all they have.
Or, you know, it's just crazy.
And then they're like, And they're like,okay, that's good for a year.
We're trying to trim it down
because we don't want to inundate peoplewith so much right now.
No, that's cool man.
Okay, well,that's just my own personal shit.
But hella no. That's dope. Wrap it up.
Thanks for listeningto this very chaotic podcast.
(01:00:05):
You guys really flew around,as we always are.
Yeah, yeah, that was fun.
And, stay tuned for the opportunity.
So, what's going on?
I don't know. Tons to the brand.
Yeah. Automatons.
And that's all I got on the brain,man. No.
It's good.
Been,January's been slow with, some stuff,
so I've been able to do a little bitmore podcast and such.
(01:00:26):
But other than that,just keeping busy, you know, working.
Sounds like you're up to no good.
This could be a sad answer.
What do you been doing? Hanging. Chilling.
Little bit of
your weirdsince trying to create an automaton
in your bedroom these,like, years and shit all over the ground.
And yeah, I got actually a whole countrybear jamboree in the backyard
(01:00:47):
that's going to be coming out2026 as well.
With the release of the tour firesign on your front lawn.
You're advertising for Pen Island.
Yeah. An island. Yeah. Coming in 2026.
Yeah, it's a large sign,so stay tuned for that.
Anyways, thank you for listening.We love you all.
And these are my these are my these are mythese are my these are my fruit. So.
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