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(00:00):
Yo, Dan. What up?
Yo, dude, there's a man on the rise again.
I cut you off by surprise.
Cut me off by surprise.Yeah. What's up dude?
How are you doing?
Just been hectic. Busy?
I think that's how we startevery single podcast.
Let's just be like, yo, man. Yo, so busy.
Just like a chicken with my dick cut offor whatever the saying is.
Yeah, yeah.
(00:21):
They need they be running around.
So, yeah,
I guess not that busychecking with their day cut off.
Wouldn't be that busy.
Not with the hands, no.
Or the. We can start this podcast again.
Yeah. Start over. That'd be fine.
Let's go. All right. How are you?
I'm well. Man, how are you doing? I'mgood. Busy, I heard.
(00:42):
Yeah, busy.
Okay, cool.
Well, you're busybecause you work two jobs and are moving.
Yeah.
All the stuff that. Oh, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, all theall the fun stuff that people do in a day,
you know, the BCL.
Not that I can go intotoo much detail about it,
but I've been extra busy
at the liquor store because we'repacking us wine and sending it back.
(01:03):
Oh, sure.
Yeah.So I send it back to the manufacturers.
Yeah, to the agents? Yep.
Cause they tear it goes back.
Son of a bitch. Yeah.
It's actually an interesting system.
Because there's a lot of people.
The common thing that I hear at the storeis people being like, why would you.
Why would you send itback? You've already paid for it.
(01:23):
And that's true.
So it's like kind of just hurting usbecause it's like,
why don't you just sell itand then not order anymore? Then
then send it back because.
Because they own it or whatever.
It's now like it's there.Yeah. Okay. Yeah.
Well, apparently, which I workedat the liquor store, the government
liquor store here in Canada,for ten years.
(01:44):
I didn't realize that
apparently government
liquor stores don't pay for the productuntil it goes over the till.
It's on the agent.
Interesting.
So we send it back to them,and it's their problem.
Wow. Yeah.
So they are, like,almost like like they're renting space.
Or store to store their productand then hopefully it sells.
And then the liquor storetakes their like margin or whatever.
(02:07):
Correct. Yeah.
Essentially that's how it works.
The rest of it goes back to the company
and all the millions of dollars of taxesthat it really is actually.
Right.
So I was thinking like
I like everybody else, everybody elsesince this whole thing started happening.
Yeah. Is this right?
Like basically a two,six starts out about $3 of worth.
And then with all the taxes and variouslike things that end up on it,
it ends up at like $30maybe in the States, I don't know.
(02:30):
I think I think the reasonthat it's expensive anyway,
I mean likebecause I can see wholesale price. Yeah.
So that's what we get or that'swhat restaurants get it for.
And then there's obviously retail price.
Our margins are typically 20 to 30%.
Yeah. Of course.
So you're giving awayA26 is like the details here man.
Yeah.
You can't go into detail.
But here's the exact sales numbers.
(02:52):
Shit. They're going to get me.
Yeah. I'm like. Oh, man. Yeah.You tricked me.
You'd only have one job. Yeah. Fuck, yeah.
Oh, I'll radio will pay.
We were just talking about that.
Yeah. It's okay. It's old mine out there.
This is just.
Yeah. You got to work13 jobs the year 2050.
You work 13 jobsjust to pay for a one studio apartment.
Dude, multiple streams of income.
Yeah.
(03:13):
When you can clone yourselfand send out a versions of yourself
to do, like, different jobs.
He said it. He said the topic of today,
everybody talks about it.
Come on. It's the topic of every day now.
Yeah, pretty much.
But, on this podcast,I think we're going to wait.
Hold on.
Hi. Welcome, everybody.
Thank you very much for listening.
(03:34):
Let's
talk about today
like a deer.
The headlights. Wait.
Okay. Set loading bar. Loading bar.
The I has an updated in my head drums.
Okay, now we start.
Hell, yeah. Okay. Thanks for joining us.
What do you got planned, man?
I just got some cool, late breaking
new concepts about.
(03:57):
I is in the forefront, people.
I'm on the forefront. I'm even.
I'm a front. I'm in front of the I.
You think he's busy at workand moving and stuff,
but really he's on the forefrontjust trying to keep humans relevant.
Sorry, I thought that.Yeah, my cross to bear. I feel you.
Look, we look to you for our salvation.
That's your service.
I think I said this on the last podcastthat that somebody said I looked like,
(04:22):
what the hell I do call it.
What was Isaiah?
What's the people that go aroundspreading the good word to the prophet?
Yeah.
Or like, man,
whatever. It doesn't matter.
Something something biblical.
Shepherd or like, shepherd's pie.
Yeah, yeah.
Somebody heard pie.
(04:43):
That's the pie I was talking about.
Anyway, you look like a shepherd's pie.
That's what he told you?
Yeah, and it was quite offended,and I punched him in the stomach.
So, yeah,
I've got the story of how I.
Have you heard of, buddy Boo Boo?
Yeah.
The turning test.
(05:04):
Like the WW two turning test.
Turning test? Yes.
Maybe it's,
it was basically,I'll get into what the test is,
but it was something developed in
World War twoby a guy named Alan turning, to test
how well computers can, disguiseas humans.
(05:26):
It's not like Turing
not turning.
Same as Alan Turing.
I know you're right.
Okay. You,
It's a.
Do you know what I'm talking about? Yes.
But, No, you're, No.
(05:47):
Tell the other people.
Okay, so tell this to anybodywho might not know about the Turing test.
One step forward, two steps back, as I do.
For the for humankind. Yeah.
Okay. I'm here for you.
Yeah, yeah, yeah,the Turing test, Alan Turing.
So the the intimidation game.
Yeah. Yes.
So how?
Well, computers can intimidate
(06:08):
human people.
And anyways, AI is apparently just beat it
doesn't know.
So I'll get into that. That's that'sthe thing that I brought to the table.
I also use ChatGPTfor the very first time.
Yeah I know that's kind of old news,but I threw some.
Not for you, not for me.
Your experience is now correct.
And I threw some cool stuff in there.And then,
I want to share what it popped up withbecause it's always updating.
(06:31):
What were you what do you got for us?
Well,I was just trying to fight, honestly.
I had something sent to me, and, Yeah, find it now.
But I do have a couple things.
Like how confident I was.
Want.
No, no. You're wrong.
No turning into shirts. Yeah.
Fuck, yeah.
(06:53):
Well, I had a couple things.
It was like,there were a couple of, like,
fun facts or whateverthat I was going to kick it off.
They're kind of funny that I just heardrecently that, Play-Doh was used as what?
First,when it first was invented. Adhesive.
Adhesive?Yeah. Like to stick things together?
Yeah, it's a good guess,I guess. And you're kind of right.
But it's more for, like, they were.
It was for cleaning, like coalsoot off of walls and stuff.
(07:15):
And then kids, just like the poor kids,had fun with it and like, hey,
yeah, like that's a million itemsthat always play with this thing. Yes.
And well, as, yeah, as cleaner energybasically came into, popularity
and there was less coal soot everywherefor everybody to, like,
roll it on their walls and like, clean offbecause it would adhere to the coal.
Yeah. And pull it off of your wall.
(07:36):
They, they
basically were like, hey, what do we haveall this stuff we make or whatever.
So they manufactured,they had to change it
a little bit of the ingredientsor whatever
to have it be a little bit more malleable,not be so flaky and fall apart.
The kids want to play with it.
They don't want to do like fall apart.
So they had to change the recipea little bit.
But one of the funny things I heardwas that they, like, had
to manufacture the scentlike they created that it.
(07:58):
Oh wow.
Like, you know, right away when I Play-Dohof course
everybody knows like wow, okay.But they created that.
That's like a little industrialmade up of some stuff. Yeah.
Totally.Yeah. And it's made and it was. Yes.
Because yeah.
I don't know, it's just funny so that youwould know of the scent of it and stuff.
It's geniuses.
Yeah.
But anyway, that was one thing.
And then a question
added to that, the etch-a-sketchwas also some kind of accident as well.
(08:21):
But anyway, I don't know whetherit was actually soot inside of it. Yes.
Soot.
Back then they wanted to try to do thatand turned into children's toys.
Yeah.
Sorry. Play-Doh.
It was called
it was obviously not called Play-Doh,and it was being used to clean sets.
A good I don't know, I don't rememberwhat it was called, actually.
That's a really good, question.
Yeah. We'll get back to you.We got this thing called Play-Doh.
(08:42):
It's used for cleaning soot,but not for playing with.
Oh, you think of giving ita different name, then?
No. Yeah.
My name is John Play-Doh.
So, yeah, I know, thank you.
And sorry.
What we'll we'll come back to it is.
Okay.
Well, that'll keep the, the viewers, thelisteners, the listeners on their seat.
(09:03):
They'll have something to come backto called a cliffhanger.
Okay, but I you want to hang our cliff.
Sorry, I just I found something
about what I was looking forbecause the original thing is missing.
For some reason,
I don't know why I can't find it, but,I just found enough about it,
and I was just going to talk about a guywho just did the,
beat the world recordfor longest filibuster.
(09:25):
And cause some good trouble.
Necessary trouble
to redeem the soul of our nation.
I want you to redeem.
Sorry. What is filibustering again?
Okay, filibustering is scatting,Bada bada bing bing doody.
I'm going to Google.
(09:45):
I'm a Scatman.
Do you feel.
like, keep talking. Oh, yeah. Sure.
I suppose you could include some scatin the middle of your filibustering
just right.
If you really, really made the contextapparent, you know?
Okay,sometimes the cityscape is like stupidity.
Yeah.
You know what I'm saying?Just like trying to.
And then if you can justify why you saidthat your speech could continue phoning
(10:08):
it in is a few people at the right moment,but you also might gain a few others.
Hey. Yeah.
Anyway, he's trying to convince you
that filibustering, he's going onand on, he's basically making the speech.
He's delaying on purpose by talking a lotbecause everybody has to listen.
I have to hear them out.
So he's delaying so that a bill doesn'tget passed by just talking and talking
and talking and keeping your speechgoing for over 25 hours.
(10:31):
Holy fuck.
This guy stood and spoketo a room of people who probably came
and went and went to have dinnerwith their families and came back.
He's still talking like this. Crazy.
Is this DonaldJ. Trump? You know, you think
he's probably got like your fifth?
It's like, we got to convict this guy.
Yeah, yeah.
But if the clock turns to tomorrow,he's scot free.
(10:52):
Yeah.Nobody knows anymore about long speeches.
Yeah, but anyway, who is this guy?
His name's Cory Booker.
And a cool thing about him is that he,he was basically just protesting
the government in general right now,
speaking out against the current stateof things and whatnot.
He is, African American gentleman.
(11:13):
And the cool thing about thatis that the previous person that he beat,
was someone who was protestingthe civil rights movement.
So, like the 50s and 60s,there was somebody who had, like a 24 hour
margin, this motherfucker that's 24 hours
speaking bastard who, like, spokeagainst the civil rights movement for 24.
(11:34):
We need slaves.
Yeah, dude. Like,how am I supposed to do my laundry?
Oh my God, bro, like, what am I do?
You've said in 24 hoursthat say all kinds of crazy shit
just to start scatting like,maybe I cool the state of the condition?
And so it's my intuition.I don't know why. It makes me crazy. And
might as well be that dude.
Jesus Christ, just the most hatespewed in one go that anyone's ever done.
(11:59):
Like just 24 hours of wantingthe civil rights movement to not work.
But then a black man comes along anddestroys that one with 25 hours of speech.
Good for him.
Straight up like, yeah.
So yeah, that's. Yeah.
So 25 hours, 25 hours and five minutes,
surpassing the previous, longest recordedspeech in Senate history.
(12:19):
Yeah. And sorry, one more time.
What was he trying to accomplish?
He was just he was protesting.
I think there was a bill that he wastrying to delay, having happened.
I can't remember what, but it was like,
I think it's just the stateof how things are going.
He's trying to pump the brakesand get attention.
And basicallybecause he's a he's a Democrat, I believe.
Right. So he's trying to like,
(12:41):
do whatever we can withthe power of speech to delay this madness.
And like, this unraveling of their entiregovernment is what it seems like.
It's going on. Okay, okay.
You know, I think anyway,I as much as I could gather, I couldn't
I, I don't think there's anything specificthat he was like
this in this in particularthat he talked about for 25 hours.
But I'm pretty sure that he includeda lot of specifics in 25 hours.
(13:03):
There's I was thinking like, man,that's just how long it took for him
to, like, rattle off all the thingshe was unhappy about, about Trump with.
Yeah.
Just like, I mean, this this guy had totalk for 25 hours to get through it all.
Like a lot of ammunition.
Holy shit. Like, damn. Who knows? ThoughI don't know what it was.
I would love to see, like,you know, obviously not all of it,
but let's get stonedand watch the whole thing.
(13:23):
Watch, five times speed and just tryto, like, get something out of it.
Like, holy crap, he be bustin.
Yeah, I don't know.
I don't I don't know.
All right.
That's a fun fact. Cool. And it's.
Yeah. Poetic justice I like it.
Put it. Yeah. The power of words. Yeah.
Any more fun facts for us?
No. Just unfun ones. No.
(13:43):
That's it for now. That's it for now.
Go ahead. You go.That was all I wanted to talk about.
It's really cool that that, just recordjust got broken
and no lesstaken back from a hateful bastard.
Yeah, I have the guy's name here,but I don't even want to say it.
I mean, the hateful bastard guy. Yeah,the previous guy.
I'll just call him. Hateful bathroombe forgotten. Yeah.
In the dust.
Okay, so then we're gonna move onto the thing that I was
(14:05):
kind of half teasing, half explaining,like I always do in the beginning.
And I'm not going to go into it. I'mgonna go into an hour to talk about it.
Then I go into it.But it's such a tease, dude.
Fucking. You can't call me blue,but everybody on the hook.
Yeah. What?
I never, I never,
I can never stain one like I never,
(14:27):
I never,
Yeah.
Sick.
Yeah.
I never touched.
Okay.
So at the beginning, this is the meat.
The potatoes of what I had.
It's the Turing test.
As I've been.
You're just updated on. Yeah.
So terrifying.
(14:48):
Study reveals
AI robots have passed Turing testand are now indistinguishable from humans.
I just starting tests.
It's not about intimidation.It's about imitation.
That's what I meant.
Okay, now I understand.
Dude. I'm just like, you suck it as fuck.
I was thing, I was like,they passed the intimidation test.
This is not good.
This.
We're afraid of it now.
(15:09):
Yeah, I mean, I think we've been afraid.
Starring Ben Affleck.
The intimidation test. Yeah.
Our test. Fuck, dude.
I'm just like, wait, you know,you need to sleep. Go.
Don't let anybody in, like, five hours.
Don't let anyone tell you you can have apodcast, even if your words ain't so good.
Yeah.
All right, so, this is an articlefrom the New York Post.
(15:30):
The AI impersonation is complete.
The dystopian lesson is every sci fi moviefrom Terminator to Ex Machina.
Not gonna
whatever.
What have you.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Tomato, tomato appear to be coming true.
Artificial intelligence has becomeso sophisticated
that bots are no longer discerniblefrom their human counterparts.
Per a concerning preprint studyconducted by scientists
(15:52):
at the University of Californiain San Diego.
So this is a quote.
People were no better than chanceat distinguishing humans from GPT 4.5.
And then another model which is in text
rate like, are like taps on the shoulder.
I was the robot the whole time.
Oh, God, it's the doctor.
(16:13):
This is a scientist, concluded headauthor Cameron Jones, a researcher.
The researchers set out to see us AI bots,which are programed to parrot
human speech patterns,could pass the iconic Turing test.
So the Turing test, originally calledThe Imitation
Game, is a test of a machine's abilityto exhibit intelligent behavior equivalent
(16:33):
to that of a human, determiningif a machine's output
is indistinguishablefrom a human in a text based conversation.
So yes, text based.
Alan Mathison Turing
was born in 1912 and died
in 1954,the same year my great grandmother
(16:53):
and the yearthe Titanic sank 1906 and sunk sunk.
Alex,
that ship is sinking.
Yeah.
Anyways, he was a highly influentialin the development
of the theoretical computer science,
providing a formalization of the conceptsof algorithm and computation.
But the Turing machine,
(17:14):
which could be considered a modelof a general purpose computer.
Turing is widely considered to be thefather of theoretical computer science.
And then I just know, oh, man,you can go down a whole fucking rabbit
hole of this guy.
But yeah, I was just like 1912 to 1954.
He wasn't that old. What happened?
So on June 8th, 1954, at his house
in Wilmslow, trains housekeeper found himdead.
(17:36):
A postmortem was held that eveningwhich determined that he had died
that previous day at age 41 with cyanidepoisoning cited as the cause of death.
When his body was discovered,an apple a half eaten beside his bed,
and although the apple was not testedfor cyanide, it was speculated that
this was the meansby which Terry had consumed a fatal dose,
so ate some apple seeds and died.
(17:57):
He fucking Snow white it.
Now you have to eat
so many apple seeds to get old enoughcyanide for apple seeds, I'm pretty sure.
I'm. I'mpretty sure somebody fucking injected him.
He's smart.Yeah, some World War Two people.
Somebody didn't want himmaking fucking eye robots.
I don't know.
Yeah, that can compete with, dictators.
Yeah.
(18:18):
I haven't watched the the movie, but I'massuming that's what it's about anyways.
Yeah. Cyanide apple.
Pretty crazy, right?
Okay, so developed by British WWEtwo codebreaker and computer scientist,
this tech
essential exam gaugesthe intelligence of machines
by determining if their digital discourse
could be differentiatedfrom that of a human.
(18:38):
If they can't tell the difference,the machine is passed to administer, said
Turing test.
The enlist 126 undergraduate studentsfrom the University
of California, San Diego, and 158people from online data pool prolific.
These participants were instructedto have five minute, simultaneous online
exchanges with a robot and a humanto see if they could spot the deception,
(18:59):
with the kicker being thatthey didn't know which was which.
Meanwhile, the humanand AI respondents were tasked with
convincing their interrogatorthat they were human.
Yeah, how the hell would you know?
They're already doing thison the internet.
It's like the dead internet theorythat internet.
They're right. It's all basically robots.
Yeah, except YouTube, which is not evenwhen all they say is like emoji.
(19:19):
Emoji, or when they say fire emojiand like, yes or something like that.
It's like, how do you know if it'ssomebody's grandma or if it's like an AI?
It's probably a bot.
But yeah, you just assume it's a bot.
I mean, like, there eitherI think there's
they're able to confuse boomers,that's for sure.
At the very least. Yeah.
But at the same time, they,
(19:41):
we we are confused, but we don't know
whether it's a person or notwhen there's only like three words there.
It could have been anyone. True.
How do you know it's the same text.
It's the it's just the username.
Usually if it's a bunch of like, numbersand letters or like, okay.
And if it's just like yo fireemoji 100, 100, you're killing it.
It's clever.
If it's an actual clever name,then you know, it's a human to
(20:01):
the only way that you would ever knownow. Yeah.
Because just something spewing outfucking randomly generated usernames.
Yeah. Bob 14111661.
Yeah.
I guessthey've been doing that for years, so.
But apparently they just passed
with a scientific study.
Researchers found that when promptedto adopt a human like persona, GPT
(20:22):
4.5 was judgedto be the human 73% of the time.
Dang, that's pretty good.
It's more human than human. Yeah.
Thanks for zombie. You know you man.
Thank you man.
I'm giving you man I'm here man.
Thank you man.
This was significantly more often
(20:43):
than interrogator selectedthe real human participant.
And of course, more than enoughto pass the test, per the study.
But then there's this other
AI model called Lama 3.1,which stands for some big and long.
Is it like three hours or something?
It's a two hours. Yeah.
Lama is 3.1, I guess.
So, yeah.
This something weird. Fucked up. Weird.Yeah.
(21:03):
With the same prompt was judgedto be the human 56% of the time.
While not significantly less
than its human brethren,they still achieved a passing grade.
Finally, the baseline model Eliza
failed after deceiving the witnessjust 23% of the time.
Well,
so. Wow.
Yeah. So basically that's.
(21:25):
Yeah, that's a good point.
Because I guess I don't knowif using ChatGPT
for the first time today conversationsI have with it,
knowing obviously that it'sI had you learn anything,
I, I learned some stuff that we're goingto get into after our break, but,
it if it was just like an it,
(21:47):
like a help bot for, like,I know Adobe or something like that.
I would be, like, convincedthat it could be a person, a real person,
you know what I mean? But essentially now.
You know,like any time you're getting help online
tech space, it's just some bot.
It's like, my name is Sanji and it's doodoo doo doo doo doo doo doo.
It gives you a bunch of answersand stuff like that.
And do you think you could discern me?
(22:07):
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Get over here!
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Bada bada bing bada bing dirty.
To Google.
I'm a Scatman.
Feel.
You only got a standing.
And I don't know.
Yo, yo, that
(33:14):
God of the.
breathe.
They're so secure. With your insecurity.
Perfect world.
(33:34):
The piety I swat crotch may bother me.
Some say I touch hearts, thoughnot every time you see a mic.
You just say no. Say no. Right? It hurts
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When it's your turn to do
an old timey narration,
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Oh. Oh. Oh.
(44:04):
But it also didn't even do it for long.
It's just a ratio.
Yeah. 0 to 16 right now.
Yeah 5.5.
It has something weird.
Like it makes noises at you.
If you don't have your hands
on the steering wheel or something,there's like some make sure you're alert.
You're not like passing out it.
I mean, it shows in itlike, on the screen at one point
when somebody braked hard at aat a yellow light.
(44:25):
Yeah.
In front of us,it showed like a red car on the screen
and like, showed like,hey, you got to stop him, you know?
So it probably not.
So like, this is the thing.
I was kind of sick in a lot of ways.
These are very coolthings that it can automate for us.
It can make us.
It can amp us up as as a speciesif we do it right.
But this is the scary thing,is that all of these science fiction
(44:45):
writers have been predicting things
that are clearly going to happenand that are going on. Right?
You know, the rich getting richer,the poor are getting poorer.
There's getting to be like slums downbelow and like mega corporations above,
and the middle class is disappearingin a scary way.
Yeah, rights are disappearingin a scary way.
It's getting like RoboCop out there.
And I'm like, this is not.
Yeah, kidding, man.
(45:06):
We're really approaching
the future much quickerthan anyone really anticipated, I think.
And it's looking a little bit scarierthan we thought.
You know, it's lookingbleak in a lot of ways.
And that's kind ofwhat cyberpunk dystopia is like, right.
And it's kind of heading towardsthat, unfortunately. So,
you know, when we hop out in
the car says like Sentry Mode activated,it's like, that's dude.
(45:27):
Hilarious.
But also, yeah, know it'sbut also like, damn, dude.
Like we are, we are approachingfast and well, Mark Zuckerberg has like
some thousand square foot,
underground bunker
and it's and it's like they asked him,it's like, oh, what is it?
He's like, oh, it's just something,just a small little something.
It's just a it's just why wouldn't youI guess. Yeah.
(45:47):
And then they're like,well what are you preparing for anything.
Yeah.
Oh our pizza's here.
It's pastel pizza. Pizza pizzas.
Those are blue, in fact. Yeah. Moly.
Thank you so much for the pizza.
That's fun to green pizza.
But yeah.
So anyways, they all the billionairesare buying underground bunkers.
(46:07):
I'm just saying.
Is that not what it'll,of course is sketchy,
but like,when you're at that level of money
and other people at thatlevel of money are doing this thing.
Yeah.
Well, I need to have a bunker and mine'sgoing to have crazy shit.
I'll have a company in it andI'll have a little, you know, I need it.
They do ship. Eventually.It'll be spaceships.
(46:27):
Pretty soon we're going to see those,like, way sooner than we think.
Probably. Yeah.
There are going to be privately ownedspacecraft,
and each billionaire will have to competewith other billionaires.
Do you have a spacecraft?
Can yours make it to the moon?
Well, but like I can to Mars 20 years.
Yeah.
Next 20 years for buildingour spacecraft are going to be a thing
like space yachts,you know, like just like space cruisers.
(46:49):
Just like rap video shot in space on aon a spaceship.
I don't know, years you rented that.
Yeah. Hahahahaha.
So I like posing with,like, their air tubes.
Like, outside of it. Like
fucking poser.
Yeah. That's the tree on the moon here.
Zero.
Give.
Oh easy moneydoctor J. It's just got like.
(47:10):
Yeah spaceship.
That's crazy.
But like,
so if you looked at like a graph of,like the building structure, it's like.
So building upeverybody, we're building up.
You obviously I've heard that term.
It keeps building up as inlike we're running out of space.
People can't have houses anymore.
So we have to build like condos.
So building building up.So not true either.
(47:30):
Oh, well, it's okay,I guess. You know what it's like in here.
I should say a lot of room here
in cities and cities are less importantnow, though.
Yeah, because anything's like AI
and working from homeand the communications the way they are.
We don't need to gather in a cityand go building up as much
we can spread out more and we should.
But that's here.
Well and and Japan,I was going to say places like Japan,
(47:51):
they literally are running out of room.
It's well, no room population's going up.
Obviously. We only have so much space.You can build stuff.
So and then also just in China from,from an investment standpoint,
why would you have one acrewith one house on it
when you can have one acre
with a duplex on it or a quad plex on itand rent it out to four people
or one, right?
That's what I mean by that.
It's a capitalist thingmore than it is actually a space thing.
(48:13):
Yeah.
So like and then butthen they're building down into the Earth.
But if the Earth explodes and ends,why would you want to be in the earth
explodes and endswell, doesn't matter where you are.
I guess you're just toast.Yeah. You're in space or toast.
If the earth is destroyed.
Also, it's not like you can be like, well,good thing we're up here.
Yeah,with all of what we have up here on Mars.
I forgot my phone charger.
(48:34):
Like, if the Earth was to explode,that Mars would also get,
like, rained with bullshit and destroyed.
Also, like, I don't think that it'sgoing to be, I think anyway, I don't know.
Yeah, maybe so. And then, but.
And then I guess like the next level.
So anyway, it's build up, build down,build way up is what I'm trying to say.
We should build down to that crazy pocketof water under the with the green people.
(48:54):
Yeah. Green people.
I think there's probably a lot more scary
things under therethan whatever people did.
The Green Giant making vegetables.
Yeah, this is under there.
Yeah. Making vegetables.You just make it vegetables.
Now, what do you think about this? Yeah.Holy crap.
Your mind is a fantastic place.
The subterranean, ocean sized glob.
You think there's this? The what?Pops to your mind. You.
(49:14):
You carve a little too deep.All you hear is.
Ho ho ho! Green Dragons.
Oh, oh, hold dry.
And that would be so freaky.
Just from the depths of, like,like, 20,000 until he says Green Giant.
Then I'd be, like, delighted.Oh it's here.
Oh, I'd be like,oh, God, green corn in these mountains.
(49:35):
Yeah. Well, your jingle terrifying.
Yeah. He's just down there,man, I'm telling you.
But yeah, the ghost that loads you into,like, false sense of security. Why?
Like singing jingles.
Do you think some kind of weird detanglerfish that actually, like,
never mind being.
No, actually is going to say never mindbeing buried alive.
Buried alive is fucking terrifying.That's the worst.
That is the worst. I'll be able to move.
(49:56):
Okay.
But like, a third is like,imagine just digging deep in and hearing
just like a voice in a pit of darknessthat there shouldn't be.
I don't know, dependson the voice. Depends what they say.
Because I'd be just like, oh, shit. Hey.
What's up?I like to talk to you, whoever you are.
Are you an entity?
Are you a subterranean person?
Yeah, I'm too interested.
But then all the moviesI've watched Hollywood to go on a podcast.
(50:20):
These are my friends.
20,000 Leagues under the water.
Yeah. Or.
But it's going to be a monsterin Hollywood.
I think it's going to be a monsterkind of lure.
I want to talk to monster, dude.
Siren call is what they callhumans are trash. Humans are monsters.
I will just another monster,I guess. So, yeah.
It's just say, what's up?
Yeah. You're a Lady Gaga fan.I think that's what she calls her.
It's literally just her fanbasethat wants to eat.
(50:41):
What are you talking with, LadyGaga, fan base or little monsters?
So anyways,
I don't know. I'm just a fan of Lady Gaga.
We're learning shit. Yeah,I like Lady Gaga. Yeah. She's cool.
She's a beast.
Yeah, she's she's she's a B she's she'sshe's got like people who are upbeat.
Yeah. And a voice.
It's nicewhen you take sips at the same time.
So there's nobody talking breaks.
(51:02):
There doesn't need to be someone talkingall the time.
We can just sit here in silenceand just be comfortable.
Just ruffling my mustache.
Yeah, we're all friends here.
These are my friends,so we should be comfortable in silence.
We just be quiet.
Yeah. A moment was just nothing to say,you know?
Yeah, yeah,I know there's just filling space.
So bustin to that, what that is.
That's what I learned today.
(51:23):
Anyways, I listen to a podcast about it.
Fill the fill the busterthat's like this a sick rap name.
Oh, this has to be somebody's filibuster.
Is that not some?
I don't know, that'd be other.
Being a buster is not good
being a bus.
Oh, to being a buster is not.Yeah. No. Yeah.
You want to be a buster in the 90s?
Well, and I ever I, you know.
(51:43):
Okay. In 2000, I guess. Yeah.
You never want to be buster.Okay. We're rounding up to the end here.
Is there anything you want to wrap upwith?
Oh, no.
Just Darth Vader, exhale.
And, dude, I'm trying to breathe normally.
Oh, okay, I went I was excited,I don't know if I already mentioned,
but I went up mountain.
Listen, yesterdayI haven't been hiking in, like,
(52:03):
I can't even remember when the last timeI went hiking.
Yeah, I was going to die and I managedto just crush out Man Mountain.
Listen, with no real problem.
I'm not even that mountain.
Listen,that's on the side of the Gold stream.
Yeah, yeah, dude, that one's intense.I did that.
The most intense one I can think of.
Yeah, I did it in skinny jeans. It's not.
Yeah, I didn't realize that mountainwas going to be that intense a serious.
(52:25):
Yeah. And then, dude,I was like, the skinny jeans.
That's it.
It was like,so you have to, like, step up.
Yeah, all the time.
I, I just felt likemy pants were gonna rip, and it was.
I just ripped them.
Yeah, I should have just said I shouldjust turn them into fucking shorts.
And. Yeah,I should have just took them off.
Honestly.
Honestly,Pantless film was a little bit nicer.
Haha. Sounds like an. But.
(52:47):
So, how what happenedwith, the, the hike?
Well, I mean, I just didn't suck,I didn't die.
Oh, that's nice, that's good. Yeah.That's why you're here.
Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's a beautiful hike.
I we also made it down, like,right before it started
Pissing Rain, which felt like just lucky.It was good.
When I went, I saw some daunting clouds.
When I was at the very, very top.
And I think it started spritzingwhen we were halfway down.
(53:10):
And then it was like, pretty, pretty bad.
And you see crazy motherfuckers going upwhen that's happening.
Wouldn't you call that?
No. If you made it all the way out there,I don't know,
some people just aren't afraid of rain.I'm trying not to be afraid of rain.
It's probably slimbecause it was muddy. Too.
Careful for sure. Yeah.
I mean, it was wet anyway.
Yeah, having to be careful.
Actually, one of the only reasonsthat I probably survived
(53:32):
was that my friend had hurt his kneebefore and was like, sort of
had been nursing a, an injuryafter a while or whatever.
So he had to like take a couple moments
or whatever to, like,not fuck his knee up or whatever.
So, so he like a couple upand going really careful on the way down
and stuff, just being super to not likefuck it up again or whatever.
So I always two made it so that I didn't.
It's not likehe was like running ahead of me, right?
(53:53):
Yeah. You know B lining upwith two active hikers.
Well and I that'swell he's he's crushes it like he's good.
It was actually.
What can you remember camI don't remember cam.
Oh I forgot about cam
okay.
It was with him. Yeah. Him and his go.
Come on. One time they got a few.
It maybe I could ask how.
We'll see.
But that was herefolks. He's coming on. Yeah. No.
(54:14):
Yeah. Cam.
And that's what I call James Cameron.
You call him cam tastic.
Yeah.
James Cameron is actually coming on a shownext week, so that's awesome.
James Cameron is going to talkabout the underwater club.
Yeah I know I'm so well water club I'mon a I'm on a middle name basis with him.
Yeah I don't call him James.
I don't call him Ron. I call him cam.
See what I did there? God damn it.
(54:34):
We got to get Dylanus to go back to sleep.
Yeah, we got a little bittoo early for this one.
Yeah, I got to go back to sleep. Pestopizzas, everybody.
Pasta, pizza.We appreciate you coming here.
Well, I want to
shout out fucking New York again.
Missouri with us and Missouri there.
Missouri and New York.
(54:54):
And, what was the other one?
It was Missouri. It was the two battlers.
It was Missouri and New York,I think. Yeah.
That's right. How are they doing?
They are still Estonia.
Where's that is that's in Europe.
That's that's good.
I'm actually likeI know exactly where it is,
but I'm pretty sure it's like New Greece.
Oh Florida is on the map now. Too slow.
(55:16):
But Missouri is definitely kickingthe most butt.
Nice, dude. Thanks, Missouri.Thanks to Florida.
And in Estonia, man, to me,what do they speak in Estonia?
Estonian.
Is that a real language? Yeah. Okay.
Yeah. You you look it up.That's your homework.
Okay.
We're going to find out about the.
Give it to me all in Estonian and read it.
Thank you, Estonia listeners,for teaching Dylan that you guys exist.
(55:41):
That's awesome.
No. He knows.
Oh, God.
Yeah.
Black and white boy. Okay, cool.
We learned a lot about AI.We learned a lot about ourselves.
We learned the real name of the guyfrom B2 wasn't turning.
It's Turing.
I know you guys also still knowthat already.
Yeah. Yes. And, thanks for being here.
These are my.
These are my these my my my love.
(56:01):
You guys. By.
I, I,
Yo, Dan. What up?
Yo, dude, there's a man on the rise again.
I cut you off by surprise.
Cut me off by surprise.Yeah. What's up dude?
How are you doing?
Just been hectic. Busy?
I think that's how we startevery single podcast.
Let's just be like, yo, man. Yo, so busy.
Just like a chicken with my dick cut offor whatever the saying is.
Yeah, yeah.
(00:21):
They need they be running around.
So, yeah,
I guess not that busychecking with their day cut off.
Wouldn't be that busy.
Not with the hands, no.
Or the. We can start this podcast again.
Yeah. Start over. That'd be fine.
Let's go. All right. How are you?
I'm well. Man, how are you doing? I'mgood. Busy, I heard.
(00:42):
Yeah, busy.
Okay, cool.
Well, you're busybecause you work two jobs and are moving.
Yeah.
All the stuff that. Oh, yeah.
Yeah, yeah, all theall the fun stuff that people do in a day,
you know, the BCL.
Not that I can go intotoo much detail about it,
but I've been extra busy
at the liquor store because we'repacking us wine and sending it back.
(01:03):
Oh, sure.
Yeah.So I send it back to the manufacturers.
Yeah, to the agents? Yep.
Cause they tear it goes back.
Son of a bitch. Yeah.
It's actually an interesting system.
Because there's a lot of people.
The common thing that I hear at the storeis people being like, why would you.
Why would you send itback? You've already paid for it.
(01:23):
And that's true.
So it's like kind of just hurting usbecause it's like,
why don't you just sell itand then not order anymore? Then
then send it back because.
Because they own it or whatever.
It's now like it's there.Yeah. Okay. Yeah.
Well, apparently, which I workedat the liquor store, the government
liquor store here in Canada,for ten years.
(01:44):
I didn't realize that
apparently government
liquor stores don't pay for the productuntil it goes over the till.
It's on the agent.
Interesting.
So we send it back to them,and it's their problem.
Wow. Yeah.
So they are, like,almost like like they're renting space.
Or store to store their productand then hopefully it sells.
And then the liquor storetakes their like margin or whatever.
(02:07):
Correct. Yeah.
Essentially that's how it works.
The rest of it goes back to the company
and all the millions of dollars of taxesthat it really is actually.
Right.
So I was thinking like
I like everybody else, everybody elsesince this whole thing started happening.
Yeah. Is this right?
Like basically a two,six starts out about $3 of worth.
And then with all the taxes and variouslike things that end up on it,
it ends up at like $30maybe in the States, I don't know.
(02:30):
I think I think the reasonthat it's expensive anyway,
I mean likebecause I can see wholesale price. Yeah.
So that's what we get or that'swhat restaurants get it for.
And then there's obviously retail price.
Our margins are typically 20 to 30%.
Yeah. Of course.
So you're giving awayA26 is like the details here man.
Yeah.
You can't go into detail.
But here's the exact sales numbers.
(02:52):
Shit. They're going to get me.
Yeah. I'm like. Oh, man. Yeah.You tricked me.
You'd only have one job. Yeah. Fuck, yeah.
Oh, I'll radio will pay.
We were just talking about that.
Yeah. It's okay. It's old mine out there.
This is just.
Yeah. You got to work13 jobs the year 2050.
You work 13 jobsjust to pay for a one studio apartment.
Dude, multiple streams of income.
Yeah.
(03:13):
When you can clone yourselfand send out a versions of yourself
to do, like, different jobs.
He said it. He said the topic of today,
everybody talks about it.
Come on. It's the topic of every day now.
Yeah, pretty much.
But, on this podcast,I think we're going to wait.
Hold on.
Hi. Welcome, everybody.
Thank you very much for listening.
(03:34):
Let's
talk about today
like a deer.
The headlights. Wait.
Okay. Set loading bar. Loading bar.
The I has an updated in my head drums.
Okay, now we start.
Hell, yeah. Okay. Thanks for joining us.
What do you got planned, man?
I just got some cool, late breaking
new concepts about.
(03:57):
I is in the forefront, people.
I'm on the forefront. I'm even.
I'm a front. I'm in front of the I.
You think he's busy at workand moving and stuff,
but really he's on the forefrontjust trying to keep humans relevant.
Sorry, I thought that.Yeah, my cross to bear. I feel you.
Look, we look to you for our salvation.
That's your service.
I think I said this on the last podcastthat that somebody said I looked like,
(04:22):
what the hell I do call it.
What was Isaiah?
What's the people that go aroundspreading the good word to the prophet?
Yeah.
Or like, man,
whatever. It doesn't matter.
Something something biblical.
Shepherd or like, shepherd's pie.
Yeah, yeah.
Somebody heard pie.
(04:43):
That's the pie I was talking about.
Anyway, you look like a shepherd's pie.
That's what he told you?
Yeah, and it was quite offended,and I punched him in the stomach.
So, yeah,
I've got the story of how I.
Have you heard of, buddy Boo Boo?
Yeah.
The turning test.
(05:04):
Like the WW two turning test.
Turning test? Yes.
Maybe it's,
it was basically,I'll get into what the test is,
but it was something developed in
World War twoby a guy named Alan turning, to test
how well computers can, disguiseas humans.
(05:26):
It's not like Turing
not turning.
Same as Alan Turing.
I know you're right.
Okay. You,
It's a.
Do you know what I'm talking about? Yes.
But, No, you're, No.
(05:47):
Tell the other people.
Okay, so tell this to anybodywho might not know about the Turing test.
One step forward, two steps back, as I do.
For the for humankind. Yeah.
Okay. I'm here for you.
Yeah, yeah, yeah,the Turing test, Alan Turing.
So the the intimidation game.
Yeah. Yes.
So how?
Well, computers can intimidate
(06:08):
human people.
And anyways, AI is apparently just beat it
doesn't know.
So I'll get into that. That's that'sthe thing that I brought to the table.
I also use ChatGPTfor the very first time.
Yeah I know that's kind of old news,but I threw some.
Not for you, not for me.
Your experience is now correct.
And I threw some cool stuff in there.And then,
I want to share what it popped up withbecause it's always updating.
(06:31):
What were you what do you got for us?
Well,I was just trying to fight, honestly.
I had something sent to me, and, Yeah, find it now.
But I do have a couple things.
Like how confident I was.
Want.
No, no. You're wrong.
No turning into shirts. Yeah.
Fuck, yeah.
(06:53):
Well, I had a couple things.
It was like,there were a couple of, like,
fun facts or whateverthat I was going to kick it off.
They're kind of funny that I just heardrecently that, Play-Doh was used as what?
First,when it first was invented. Adhesive.
Adhesive?Yeah. Like to stick things together?
Yeah, it's a good guess,I guess. And you're kind of right.
But it's more for, like, they were.
It was for cleaning, like coalsoot off of walls and stuff.
(07:15):
And then kids, just like the poor kids,had fun with it and like, hey,
yeah, like that's a million itemsthat always play with this thing. Yes.
And well, as, yeah, as cleaner energybasically came into, popularity
and there was less coal soot everywherefor everybody to, like,
roll it on their walls and like, clean offbecause it would adhere to the coal.
Yeah. And pull it off of your wall.
(07:36):
They, they
basically were like, hey, what do we haveall this stuff we make or whatever.
So they manufactured,they had to change it
a little bit of the ingredientsor whatever
to have it be a little bit more malleable,not be so flaky and fall apart.
The kids want to play with it.
They don't want to do like fall apart.
So they had to change the recipea little bit.
But one of the funny things I heardwas that they, like, had
to manufacture the scentlike they created that it.
(07:58):
Oh wow.
Like, you know, right away when I Play-Dohof course
everybody knows like wow, okay.But they created that.
That's like a little industrialmade up of some stuff. Yeah.
Totally.Yeah. And it's made and it was. Yes.
Because yeah.
I don't know, it's just funny so that youwould know of the scent of it and stuff.
It's geniuses.
Yeah.
But anyway, that was one thing.
And then a question
added to that, the etch-a-sketchwas also some kind of accident as well.
(08:21):
But anyway, I don't know whetherit was actually soot inside of it. Yes.
Soot.
Back then they wanted to try to do thatand turned into children's toys.
Yeah.
Sorry. Play-Doh.
It was called
it was obviously not called Play-Doh,and it was being used to clean sets.
A good I don't know, I don't rememberwhat it was called, actually.
That's a really good, question.
Yeah. We'll get back to you.We got this thing called Play-Doh.
(08:42):
It's used for cleaning soot,but not for playing with.
Oh, you think of giving ita different name, then?
No. Yeah.
My name is John Play-Doh.
So, yeah, I know, thank you.
And sorry.
What we'll we'll come back to it is.
Okay.
Well, that'll keep the, the viewers, thelisteners, the listeners on their seat.
(09:03):
They'll have something to come backto called a cliffhanger.
Okay, but I you want to hang our cliff.
Sorry, I just I found something
about what I was looking forbecause the original thing is missing.
For some reason,
I don't know why I can't find it, but,I just found enough about it,
and I was just going to talk about a guywho just did the,
beat the world recordfor longest filibuster.
(09:25):
And cause some good trouble.
Necessary trouble
to redeem the soul of our nation.
I want you to redeem.
Sorry. What is filibustering again?
Okay, filibustering is scatting,Bada bada bing bing doody.
I'm going to Google.
(09:45):
I'm a Scatman.
Do you feel.
like, keep talking. Oh, yeah. Sure.
I suppose you could include some scatin the middle of your filibustering
just right.
If you really, really made the contextapparent, you know?
Okay,sometimes the cityscape is like stupidity.
Yeah.
You know what I'm saying?Just like trying to.
And then if you can justify why you saidthat your speech could continue phoning
(10:08):
it in is a few people at the right moment,but you also might gain a few others.
Hey. Yeah.
Anyway, he's trying to convince you
that filibustering, he's going onand on, he's basically making the speech.
He's delaying on purpose by talking a lotbecause everybody has to listen.
I have to hear them out.
So he's delaying so that a bill doesn'tget passed by just talking and talking
and talking and keeping your speechgoing for over 25 hours.
(10:31):
Holy fuck.
This guy stood and spoketo a room of people who probably came
and went and went to have dinnerwith their families and came back.
He's still talking like this. Crazy.
Is this DonaldJ. Trump? You know, you think
he's probably got like your fifth?
It's like, we got to convict this guy.
Yeah, yeah.
But if the clock turns to tomorrow,he's scot free.
(10:52):
Yeah.Nobody knows anymore about long speeches.
Yeah, but anyway, who is this guy?
His name's Cory Booker.
And a cool thing about him is that he,he was basically just protesting
the government in general right now,
speaking out against the current stateof things and whatnot.
He is, African American gentleman.
(11:13):
And the cool thing about thatis that the previous person that he beat,
was someone who was protestingthe civil rights movement.
So, like the 50s and 60s,there was somebody who had, like a 24 hour
margin, this motherfucker that's 24 hours
speaking bastard who, like, spokeagainst the civil rights movement for 24.
(11:34):
We need slaves.
Yeah, dude. Like,how am I supposed to do my laundry?
Oh my God, bro, like, what am I do?
You've said in 24 hoursthat say all kinds of crazy shit
just to start scatting like,maybe I cool the state of the condition?
And so it's my intuition.I don't know why. It makes me crazy. And
might as well be that dude.
Jesus Christ, just the most hatespewed in one go that anyone's ever done.
(11:59):
Like just 24 hours of wantingthe civil rights movement to not work.
But then a black man comes along anddestroys that one with 25 hours of speech.
Good for him.
Straight up like, yeah.
So yeah, that's. Yeah.
So 25 hours, 25 hours and five minutes,
surpassing the previous, longest recordedspeech in Senate history.
(12:19):
Yeah. And sorry, one more time.
What was he trying to accomplish?
He was just he was protesting.
I think there was a bill that he wastrying to delay, having happened.
I can't remember what, but it was like,
I think it's just the stateof how things are going.
He's trying to pump the brakesand get attention.
And basicallybecause he's a he's a Democrat, I believe.
Right. So he's trying to like,
(12:41):
do whatever we can withthe power of speech to delay this madness.
And like, this unraveling of their entiregovernment is what it seems like.
It's going on. Okay, okay.
You know, I think anyway,I as much as I could gather, I couldn't
I, I don't think there's anything specificthat he was like
this in this in particularthat he talked about for 25 hours.
But I'm pretty sure that he includeda lot of specifics in 25 hours.
(13:03):
There's I was thinking like, man,that's just how long it took for him
to, like, rattle off all the thingshe was unhappy about, about Trump with.
Yeah.
Just like, I mean, this this guy had totalk for 25 hours to get through it all.
Like a lot of ammunition.
Holy shit. Like, damn. Who knows? ThoughI don't know what it was.
I would love to see, like,you know, obviously not all of it,
but let's get stonedand watch the whole thing.
(13:23):
Watch, five times speed and just tryto, like, get something out of it.
Like, holy crap, he be bustin.
Yeah, I don't know.
I don't I don't know.
All right.
That's a fun fact. Cool. And it's.
Yeah. Poetic justice I like it.
Put it. Yeah. The power of words. Yeah.
Any more fun facts for us?
No. Just unfun ones. No.
(13:43):
That's it for now. That's it for now.
Go ahead. You go.That was all I wanted to talk about.
It's really cool that that, just recordjust got broken
and no lesstaken back from a hateful bastard.
Yeah, I have the guy's name here,but I don't even want to say it.
I mean, the hateful bastard guy. Yeah,the previous guy.
I'll just call him. Hateful bathroombe forgotten. Yeah.
In the dust.
Okay, so then we're gonna move onto the thing that I was
(14:05):
kind of half teasing, half explaining,like I always do in the beginning.
And I'm not going to go into it. I'mgonna go into an hour to talk about it.
Then I go into it.But it's such a tease, dude.
Fucking. You can't call me blue,but everybody on the hook.
Yeah. What?
I never, I never,
I can never stain one like I never,
(14:27):
I never,
Yeah.
Sick.
Yeah.
I never touched.
Okay.
So at the beginning, this is the meat.
The potatoes of what I had.
It's the Turing test.
As I've been.
You're just updated on. Yeah.
So terrifying.
(14:48):
Study reveals
AI robots have passed Turing testand are now indistinguishable from humans.
I just starting tests.
It's not about intimidation.It's about imitation.
That's what I meant.
Okay, now I understand.
Dude. I'm just like, you suck it as fuck.
I was thing, I was like,they passed the intimidation test.
This is not good.
This.
We're afraid of it now.
(15:09):
Yeah, I mean, I think we've been afraid.
Starring Ben Affleck.
The intimidation test. Yeah.
Our test. Fuck, dude.
I'm just like, wait, you know,you need to sleep. Go.
Don't let anybody in, like, five hours.
Don't let anyone tell you you can have apodcast, even if your words ain't so good.
Yeah.
All right, so, this is an articlefrom the New York Post.
(15:30):
The AI impersonation is complete.
The dystopian lesson is every sci fi moviefrom Terminator to Ex Machina.
Not gonna
whatever.
What have you.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Tomato, tomato appear to be coming true.
Artificial intelligence has becomeso sophisticated
that bots are no longer discerniblefrom their human counterparts.
Per a concerning preprint studyconducted by scientists
(15:52):
at the University of Californiain San Diego.
So this is a quote.
People were no better than chanceat distinguishing humans from GPT 4.5.
And then another model which is in text
rate like, are like taps on the shoulder.
I was the robot the whole time.
Oh, God, it's the doctor.
(16:13):
This is a scientist, concluded headauthor Cameron Jones, a researcher.
The researchers set out to see us AI bots,which are programed to parrot
human speech patterns,could pass the iconic Turing test.
So the Turing test, originally calledThe Imitation
Game, is a test of a machine's abilityto exhibit intelligent behavior equivalent
(16:33):
to that of a human, determiningif a machine's output
is indistinguishablefrom a human in a text based conversation.
So yes, text based.
Alan Mathison Turing
was born in 1912 and died
in 1954,the same year my great grandmother
(16:53):
and the yearthe Titanic sank 1906 and sunk sunk.
Alex,
that ship is sinking.
Yeah.
Anyways, he was a highly influentialin the development
of the theoretical computer science,
providing a formalization of the conceptsof algorithm and computation.
But the Turing machine,
(17:14):
which could be considered a modelof a general purpose computer.
Turing is widely considered to be thefather of theoretical computer science.
And then I just know, oh, man,you can go down a whole fucking rabbit
hole of this guy.
But yeah, I was just like 1912 to 1954.
He wasn't that old. What happened?
So on June 8th, 1954, at his house
in Wilmslow, trains housekeeper found himdead.
(17:36):
A postmortem was held that eveningwhich determined that he had died
that previous day at age 41 with cyanidepoisoning cited as the cause of death.
When his body was discovered,an apple a half eaten beside his bed,
and although the apple was not testedfor cyanide, it was speculated that
this was the meansby which Terry had consumed a fatal dose,
so ate some apple seeds and died.
(17:57):
He fucking Snow white it.
Now you have to eat
so many apple seeds to get old enoughcyanide for apple seeds, I'm pretty sure.
I'm. I'mpretty sure somebody fucking injected him.
He's smart.Yeah, some World War Two people.
Somebody didn't want himmaking fucking eye robots.
I don't know.
Yeah, that can compete with, dictators.
Yeah.
(18:18):
I haven't watched the the movie, but I'massuming that's what it's about anyways.
Yeah. Cyanide apple.
Pretty crazy, right?
Okay, so developed by British WWEtwo codebreaker and computer scientist,
this tech
essential exam gaugesthe intelligence of machines
by determining if their digital discourse
could be differentiatedfrom that of a human.
(18:38):
If they can't tell the difference,the machine is passed to administer, said
Turing test.
The enlist 126 undergraduate studentsfrom the University
of California, San Diego, and 158people from online data pool prolific.
These participants were instructedto have five minute, simultaneous online
exchanges with a robot and a humanto see if they could spot the deception,
(18:59):
with the kicker being thatthey didn't know which was which.
Meanwhile, the humanand AI respondents were tasked with
convincing their interrogatorthat they were human.
Yeah, how the hell would you know?
They're already doing thison the internet.
It's like the dead internet theorythat internet.
They're right. It's all basically robots.
Yeah, except YouTube, which is not evenwhen all they say is like emoji.
(19:19):
Emoji, or when they say fire emojiand like, yes or something like that.
It's like, how do you know if it'ssomebody's grandma or if it's like an AI?
It's probably a bot.
But yeah, you just assume it's a bot.
I mean, like, there eitherI think there's
they're able to confuse boomers,that's for sure.
At the very least. Yeah.
But at the same time, they,
(19:41):
we we are confused, but we don't know
whether it's a person or notwhen there's only like three words there.
It could have been anyone. True.
How do you know it's the same text.
It's the it's just the username.
Usually if it's a bunch of like, numbersand letters or like, okay.
And if it's just like yo fireemoji 100, 100, you're killing it.
It's clever.
If it's an actual clever name,then you know, it's a human to
(20:01):
the only way that you would ever knownow. Yeah.
Because just something spewing outfucking randomly generated usernames.
Yeah. Bob 14111661.
Yeah.
I guessthey've been doing that for years, so.
But apparently they just passed
with a scientific study.
Researchers found that when promptedto adopt a human like persona, GPT
(20:22):
4.5 was judgedto be the human 73% of the time.
Dang, that's pretty good.
It's more human than human. Yeah.
Thanks for zombie. You know you man.
Thank you man.
I'm giving you man I'm here man.
Thank you man.
This was significantly more often
(20:43):
than interrogator selectedthe real human participant.
And of course, more than enoughto pass the test, per the study.
But then there's this other
AI model called Lama 3.1,which stands for some big and long.
Is it like three hours or something?
It's a two hours. Yeah.
Lama is 3.1, I guess.
So, yeah.
This something weird. Fucked up. Weird.Yeah.
(21:03):
With the same prompt was judgedto be the human 56% of the time.
While not significantly less
than its human brethren,they still achieved a passing grade.
Finally, the baseline model Eliza
failed after deceiving the witnessjust 23% of the time.
Well,
so. Wow.
Yeah. So basically that's.
(21:25):
Yeah, that's a good point.
Because I guess I don't knowif using ChatGPT
for the first time today conversationsI have with it,
knowing obviously that it'sI had you learn anything,
I, I learned some stuff that we're goingto get into after our break, but,
it if it was just like an it,
(21:47):
like a help bot for, like,I know Adobe or something like that.
I would be, like, convincedthat it could be a person, a real person,
you know what I mean? But essentially now.
You know,like any time you're getting help online
tech space, it's just some bot.
It's like, my name is Sanji and it's doodoo doo doo doo doo doo doo.
It gives you a bunch of answersand stuff like that.
And do you think you could discern me?
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Yo, yo, that
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breathe.
They're so secure. With your insecurity.
Perfect world.
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The piety I swat crotch may bother me.
Some say I touch hearts, thoughnot every time you see a mic.
You just say no. Say no. Right? It hurts
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(44:04):
But it also didn't even do it for long.
It's just a ratio.
Yeah. 0 to 16 right now.
Yeah 5.5.
It has something weird.
Like it makes noises at you.
If you don't have your hands
on the steering wheel or something,there's like some make sure you're alert.
You're not like passing out it.
I mean, it shows in itlike, on the screen at one point
when somebody braked hard at aat a yellow light.
(44:25):
Yeah.
In front of us,it showed like a red car on the screen
and like, showed like,hey, you got to stop him, you know?
So it probably not.
So like, this is the thing.
I was kind of sick in a lot of ways.
These are very coolthings that it can automate for us.
It can make us.
It can amp us up as as a speciesif we do it right.
But this is the scary thing,is that all of these science fiction
(44:45):
writers have been predicting things
that are clearly going to happenand that are going on. Right?
You know, the rich getting richer,the poor are getting poorer.
There's getting to be like slums downbelow and like mega corporations above,
and the middle class is disappearingin a scary way.
Yeah, rights are disappearingin a scary way.
It's getting like RoboCop out there.
And I'm like, this is not.
Yeah, kidding, man.
(45:06):
We're really approaching
the future much quickerthan anyone really anticipated, I think.
And it's looking a little bit scarierthan we thought.
You know, it's lookingbleak in a lot of ways.
And that's kind ofwhat cyberpunk dystopia is like, right.
And it's kind of heading towardsthat, unfortunately. So,
you know, when we hop out in
the car says like Sentry Mode activated,it's like, that's dude.
(45:27):
Hilarious.
But also, yeah, know it'sbut also like, damn, dude.
Like we are, we are approachingfast and well, Mark Zuckerberg has like
some thousand square foot,
underground bunker
and it's and it's like they asked him,it's like, oh, what is it?
He's like, oh, it's just something,just a small little something.
It's just a it's just why wouldn't youI guess. Yeah.
(45:47):
And then they're like,well what are you preparing for anything.
Yeah.
Oh our pizza's here.
It's pastel pizza. Pizza pizzas.
Those are blue, in fact. Yeah. Moly.
Thank you so much for the pizza.
That's fun to green pizza.
But yeah.
So anyways, they all the billionairesare buying underground bunkers.
(46:07):
I'm just saying.
Is that not what it'll,of course is sketchy,
but like,when you're at that level of money
and other people at thatlevel of money are doing this thing.
Yeah.
Well, I need to have a bunker and mine'sgoing to have crazy shit.
I'll have a company in it andI'll have a little, you know, I need it.
They do ship. Eventually.It'll be spaceships.
(46:27):
Pretty soon we're going to see those,like, way sooner than we think.
Probably. Yeah.
There are going to be privately ownedspacecraft,
and each billionaire will have to competewith other billionaires.
Do you have a spacecraft?
Can yours make it to the moon?
Well, but like I can to Mars 20 years.
Yeah.
Next 20 years for buildingour spacecraft are going to be a thing
like space yachts,you know, like just like space cruisers.
(46:49):
Just like rap video shot in space on aon a spaceship.
I don't know, years you rented that.
Yeah. Hahahahaha.
So I like posing with,like, their air tubes.
Like, outside of it. Like
fucking poser.
Yeah. That's the tree on the moon here.
Zero.
Give.
Oh easy moneydoctor J. It's just got like.
(47:10):
Yeah spaceship.
That's crazy.
But like,
so if you looked at like a graph of,like the building structure, it's like.
So building upeverybody, we're building up.
You obviously I've heard that term.
It keeps building up as inlike we're running out of space.
People can't have houses anymore.
So we have to build like condos.
So building building up.So not true either.
(47:30):
Oh, well, it's okay,I guess. You know what it's like in here.
I should say a lot of room here
in cities and cities are less importantnow, though.
Yeah, because anything's like AI
and working from homeand the communications the way they are.
We don't need to gather in a cityand go building up as much
we can spread out more and we should.
But that's here.
Well and and Japan,I was going to say places like Japan,
(47:51):
they literally are running out of room.
It's well, no room population's going up.
Obviously. We only have so much space.You can build stuff.
So and then also just in China from,from an investment standpoint,
why would you have one acrewith one house on it
when you can have one acre
with a duplex on it or a quad plex on itand rent it out to four people
or one, right?
That's what I mean by that.
It's a capitalist thingmore than it is actually a space thing.
(48:13):
Yeah.
So like and then butthen they're building down into the Earth.
But if the Earth explodes and ends,why would you want to be in the earth
explodes and endswell, doesn't matter where you are.
I guess you're just toast.Yeah. You're in space or toast.
If the earth is destroyed.
Also, it's not like you can be like, well,good thing we're up here.
Yeah,with all of what we have up here on Mars.
I forgot my phone charger.
(48:34):
Like, if the Earth was to explode,that Mars would also get,
like, rained with bullshit and destroyed.
Also, like, I don't think that it'sgoing to be, I think anyway, I don't know.
Yeah, maybe so. And then, but.
And then I guess like the next level.
So anyway, it's build up, build down,build way up is what I'm trying to say.
We should build down to that crazy pocketof water under the with the green people.
(48:54):
Yeah. Green people.
I think there's probably a lot more scary
things under therethan whatever people did.
The Green Giant making vegetables.
Yeah, this is under there.
Yeah. Making vegetables.You just make it vegetables.
Now, what do you think about this? Yeah.Holy crap.
Your mind is a fantastic place.
The subterranean, ocean sized glob.
You think there's this? The what?Pops to your mind. You.
(49:14):
You carve a little too deep.All you hear is.
Ho ho ho! Green Dragons.
Oh, oh, hold dry.
And that would be so freaky.
Just from the depths of, like,like, 20,000 until he says Green Giant.
Then I'd be, like, delighted.Oh it's here.
Oh, I'd be like,oh, God, green corn in these mountains.
(49:35):
Yeah. Well, your jingle terrifying.
Yeah. He's just down there,man, I'm telling you.
But yeah, the ghost that loads you into,like, false sense of security. Why?
Like singing jingles.
Do you think some kind of weird detanglerfish that actually, like,
never mind being.
No, actually is going to say never mindbeing buried alive.
Buried alive is fucking terrifying.That's the worst.
That is the worst. I'll be able to move.
(49:56):
Okay.
But like, a third is like,imagine just digging deep in and hearing
just like a voice in a pit of darknessthat there shouldn't be.
I don't know, dependson the voice. Depends what they say.
Because I'd be just like, oh, shit. Hey.
What's up?I like to talk to you, whoever you are.
Are you an entity?
Are you a subterranean person?
Yeah, I'm too interested.
But then all the moviesI've watched Hollywood to go on a podcast.
(50:20):
These are my friends.
20,000 Leagues under the water.
Yeah. Or.
But it's going to be a monsterin Hollywood.
I think it's going to be a monsterkind of lure.
I want to talk to monster, dude.
Siren call is what they callhumans are trash. Humans are monsters.
I will just another monster,I guess. So, yeah.
It's just say, what's up?
Yeah. You're a Lady Gaga fan.I think that's what she calls her.
It's literally just her fanbasethat wants to eat.
(50:41):
What are you talking with, LadyGaga, fan base or little monsters?
So anyways,
I don't know. I'm just a fan of Lady Gaga.
We're learning shit. Yeah,I like Lady Gaga. Yeah. She's cool.
She's a beast.
Yeah, she's she's she's a B she's she'sshe's got like people who are upbeat.
Yeah. And a voice.
It's nicewhen you take sips at the same time.
So there's nobody talking breaks.
(51:02):
There doesn't need to be someone talkingall the time.
We can just sit here in silenceand just be comfortable.
Just ruffling my mustache.
Yeah, we're all friends here.
These are my friends,so we should be comfortable in silence.
We just be quiet.
Yeah. A moment was just nothing to say,you know?
Yeah, yeah,I know there's just filling space.
So bustin to that, what that is.
That's what I learned today.
(51:23):
Anyways, I listen to a podcast about it.
Fill the fill the busterthat's like this a sick rap name.
Oh, this has to be somebody's filibuster.
Is that not some?
I don't know, that'd be other.
Being a buster is not good
being a bus.
Oh, to being a buster is not.Yeah. No. Yeah.
You want to be a buster in the 90s?
Well, and I ever I, you know.
(51:43):
Okay. In 2000, I guess. Yeah.
You never want to be buster.Okay. We're rounding up to the end here.
Is there anything you want to wrap upwith?
Oh, no.
Just Darth Vader, exhale.
And, dude, I'm trying to breathe normally.
Oh, okay, I went I was excited,I don't know if I already mentioned,
but I went up mountain.
Listen, yesterdayI haven't been hiking in, like,
(52:03):
I can't even remember when the last timeI went hiking.
Yeah, I was going to die and I managedto just crush out Man Mountain.
Listen, with no real problem.
I'm not even that mountain.
Listen,that's on the side of the Gold stream.
Yeah, yeah, dude, that one's intense.I did that.
The most intense one I can think of.
Yeah, I did it in skinny jeans. It's not.
Yeah, I didn't realize that mountainwas going to be that intense a serious.
(52:25):
Yeah. And then, dude,I was like, the skinny jeans.
That's it.
It was like,so you have to, like, step up.
Yeah, all the time.
I, I just felt likemy pants were gonna rip, and it was.
I just ripped them.
Yeah, I should have just said I shouldjust turn them into fucking shorts.
And. Yeah,I should have just took them off.
Honestly.
Honestly,Pantless film was a little bit nicer.
Haha. Sounds like an. But.
(52:47):
So, how what happenedwith, the, the hike?
Well, I mean, I just didn't suck,I didn't die.
Oh, that's nice, that's good. Yeah.That's why you're here.
Yeah, yeah. I mean, it's a beautiful hike.
I we also made it down, like,right before it started
Pissing Rain, which felt like just lucky.It was good.
When I went, I saw some daunting clouds.
When I was at the very, very top.
And I think it started spritzingwhen we were halfway down.
(53:10):
And then it was like, pretty, pretty bad.
And you see crazy motherfuckers going upwhen that's happening.
Wouldn't you call that?
No. If you made it all the way out there,I don't know,
some people just aren't afraid of rain.I'm trying not to be afraid of rain.
It's probably slimbecause it was muddy. Too.
Careful for sure. Yeah.
I mean, it was wet anyway.
Yeah, having to be careful.
Actually, one of the only reasonsthat I probably survived
(53:32):
was that my friend had hurt his kneebefore and was like, sort of
had been nursing a, an injuryafter a while or whatever.
So he had to like take a couple moments
or whatever to, like,not fuck his knee up or whatever.
So, so he like a couple upand going really careful on the way down
and stuff, just being super to not likefuck it up again or whatever.
So I always two made it so that I didn't.
It's not likehe was like running ahead of me, right?
(53:53):
Yeah. You know B lining upwith two active hikers.
Well and I that'swell he's he's crushes it like he's good.
It was actually.
What can you remember camI don't remember cam.
Oh I forgot about cam
okay.
It was with him. Yeah. Him and his go.
Come on. One time they got a few.
It maybe I could ask how.
We'll see.
But that was herefolks. He's coming on. Yeah. No.
(54:14):
Yeah. Cam.
And that's what I call James Cameron.
You call him cam tastic.
Yeah.
James Cameron is actually coming on a shownext week, so that's awesome.
James Cameron is going to talkabout the underwater club.
Yeah I know I'm so well water club I'mon a I'm on a middle name basis with him.
Yeah I don't call him James.
I don't call him Ron. I call him cam.
See what I did there? God damn it.
(54:34):
We got to get Dylanus to go back to sleep.
Yeah, we got a little bittoo early for this one.
Yeah, I got to go back to sleep. Pestopizzas, everybody.
Pasta, pizza.We appreciate you coming here.
Well, I want to
shout out fucking New York again.
Missouri with us and Missouri there.
Missouri and New York.
(54:54):
And, what was the other one?
It was Missouri. It was the two battlers.
It was Missouri and New York,I think. Yeah.
That's right. How are they doing?
They are still Estonia.
Where's that is that's in Europe.
That's that's good.
I'm actually likeI know exactly where it is,
but I'm pretty sure it's like New Greece.
Oh Florida is on the map now. Too slow.
(55:16):
But Missouri is definitely kickingthe most butt.
Nice, dude. Thanks, Missouri.Thanks to Florida.
And in Estonia, man, to me,what do they speak in Estonia?
Estonian.
Is that a real language? Yeah. Okay.
Yeah. You you look it up.That's your homework.
Okay.
We're going to find out about the.
Give it to me all in Estonian and read it.
Thank you, Estonia listeners,for teaching Dylan that you guys exist.
(55:41):
That's awesome.
No. He knows.
Oh, God.
Yeah.
Black and white boy. Okay, cool.
We learned a lot about AI.We learned a lot about ourselves.
We learned the real name of the guyfrom B2 wasn't turning.
It's Turing.
I know you guys also still knowthat already.
Yeah. Yes. And, thanks for being here.
These are my.
These are my these my my my love.
(56:01):
You guys. By.
I, I,
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