May 31, 2023 • 14 mins
Did you know Australians go through 70 billion pieces of soft plastic every year? That’s almost 250 pieces of plastic every week, per person. We need to start saying no to problematic plastics. We're talking all things plastic free and sustainable living with community member Kylie Milne on our waste education podcast.
We encourage you to check out Kylie's Facebook Group - 'Less - Aspendale Gardens' for more tips on how you can live more sustainably.
Learn how you can live more sustainably at kingston.vic.gov.au/plastic-free
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(00:00):
The city of Kingston proudly acknowledges the Nerang people of the Coolin nation as the traditional owners and custodians of this land.
And we pay our respect to their elders past present and emerging.
We'd like to thank West Library for providing us with an acoustically treated space and quality equipment to record the trash talk podcast.
The studio is free for the Kingston community to use and available for bookings.
(00:27):
Welcome to Trash talk,
the world's trashiest podcast where we sort through your waste and recycling.
Hello,
everybody and welcome to the Trash Talk podcast.
(00:48):
My name is Chloe.
I'm the waste education officer at the city of Kingston.
And with me here is Kylie Milne,
a local resident passionate about zero waste living.
Perhaps we can start with you telling us a little bit about yourself.
Thanks Chloe and thanks so much for inviting me here today.
Um So,
yes,
I'm a resident of the city of Kingston and I've lived here my whole life.
That's where I went to primary school and high school.
(01:10):
And after those years of my lives,
I did a Bachelor of Science at Monash University um where I majored in immunology and biochemistry.
And I spent quite a few years in medical research after that.
And now I'm in the clinical trials industry and that's kind of my,
that's my profession,
I guess.
Summarized pretty briefly.
I've got a couple of kids now in primary school myself.
(01:31):
And,
yeah,
and I'm passionate about reducing the waste that our household produces.
Fabulous.
Sounds like you have quite,
um,
quite a background there.
Can you tell us why you're passionate about um waste and why?
What led you to become so passionate about this?
I guess there's a,
a few,
there were a few light bulb moments for me.
It's hard to pinpoint just one.
(01:52):
But certainly it was after having my second child that I started just noticing the amount of waste that was coming into our home and I started looking at the amount of waste that was in our red landfill bin and I started becoming a bit concerned thinking,
well,
if this is just us.
Um What about our street?
What about at the suburb level?
What about state and globally?
And you know,
how is this sustainable?
(02:14):
I,
I still remember having this one moment when I was standing in the laundry and I had this big pla empty drum,
plastic drum of,
you know,
earth friendly laundry liquid that I finished and I just stood there staring at it thinking,
how is this Earth friendly?
I don't even know if this is going to be recycled.
I'm not actually really sure what happens to this after I put this in the bin.
(02:35):
So I just started uh reading around,
um,
you know,
things that I could do to reduce my waste.
And I discovered zero waste living and in particular,
I discovered Bea Johnson's book,
uh Zero Waste Home.
And uh just the whole new world opened up to me.
And I just realized there were all of these things that I could be doing to reduce my waste.
Um,
and I started making a lot of changes fabulous.
(02:56):
And so have you got,
um,
was it difficult to get your family on board with the reduction of that waste or at least changing some lifestyle habits there?
Um,
there's definitely been a few challenges but I'm lucky that my husband's been very supportive.
Um,
but also I mostly,
especially in the early days focused on myself.
So I just focused on the waste that I was producing and,
(03:17):
and certainly my family's been on board with a lot of it but you have to kind of work in your circle of,
um,
in,
you know,
what you can control and what you can influence.
So,
um,
you know,
there are certainly some things that my husband still likes to buy that.
I would not,
I would not purchase myself for the waste factor,
but I have to let that go and appreciate that he's really supportive.
And overall we've made massive changes in our household.
(03:38):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah,
it's about,
um,
uh,
achievable steps,
isn't it?
Really?
And,
and everyone's got a different way of doing things and it sounds like your husband has one way you have another and you have to make what works a balance between the two within that.
Then I'm curious how you think or what you think around,
how we can get other people on board with reducing their waste or reducing their plastic consumption because we know plastic is a large part of,
(04:02):
of,
of our consumption just going into the supermarket,
we can see loads of items.
Um So what do you think we can do to try?
And I suppose what would be the best way to encourage others to reduce their own plastic waste?
I think um I think that's an excellent question and a really hard one because it's complex and I think there's not just one way or even one best way,
(04:22):
but I'm a firm believer that we just need more better examples in the community.
And I think that's what's inspired me to do what I'm doing to try to um you know,
form a community group and speak to the community about easy ways we can reduce waste.
Because when you're,
you know,
at the coffee shop with the school mums after school drop off and they're all getting their takeaway coffees in a throwaway cup,
(04:46):
you do the same because you're assimilating and you think that it's OK because other people are doing it.
Um,
when you buy a single packaged snacks for your kids.
Well,
everyone else is doing it.
It's on the supermarket shelf.
So it must be ok.
So I really believe that we need to educate and um those of us who are really making efforts,
I know that there are simple ways to reduce waste,
(05:06):
need to be stepping up and setting an example and trying to have conversations because,
and that's something I still struggle with is how to slot it in conversations.
It's not always easy to kind of to talk about waste.
A lot of people make throwaway conversations like,
oh,
isn't this bad that I've bought this with all this plastic?
But that's often just the end.
It's a,
it's a comment but there's no real that next level conversation where you discuss what could be done.
(05:30):
You know,
what,
how could you have refused that?
How could have you reduced what you bought?
How could it could have you opted for,
you know,
getting something second hand.
I think slowly though over the years,
I have seen people become a bit more aware and changing the habits that they have around,
especially using plastic unnecessarily.
But yeah,
I think education but also retailers need to take some responsibilities as well.
(05:55):
I would love to see cafes start to pop up and not,
not supply single use coffee cups.
For example,
there has to be,
I think an element of or certainly the dilemma can sometimes be that places like cafes want to see the demand for people going in there demanding the reusable or the or you know,
they get a discount if they bring their reusable,
(06:15):
keep cups and things.
So I know that there's a caveat there for cafes.
But um certainly there's a,
there's a place for them to,
to step up.
Um,
you mentioned a community group.
Is this something you,
you are part of or you started or tell us a bit more about this?
So I guess um my involvement on speaking about reducing household waste has evolved a bit over the years.
(06:36):
It started a lot with just me internally thinking about it and personally doing things and then it just didn't feel enough after a while.
I thought,
you know,
I felt that I saw our family's waste be reduced dramatically from the most simple changes that I'd made.
Not only that were we reducing our waste,
but I actually noticed I was happier.
(06:56):
I felt that I was living a life that was more aligned with my values.
And there was just a really nice simplicity that came with making some of these changes.
I feel like I want to do more because I wish I had have known about this earlier and I wish I could have been making these changes earlier and I want to talk to people about it and help other people do it because I think they'll benefit from it and the environment will benefit from it.
So I started a blog and then after a while I think when you're trying to do something yourself,
(07:21):
the motivation is hard.
You're always up against yourself.
And I thought um I often do my best thinking when I'm going for a walk and I went for a walk one evening and I just thought,
why don't I just start a community group?
I could get some people on board and they could help and we could motivate each other and surely that will accelerate some of the changes that I'm trying to make in the community.
So I went around sticking posters up wherever I could um looking for,
(07:45):
for other people who were keen to be involved in a,
in a community group aimed at promoting zero waste living.
And that's kind of how it started.
And I have had a bit of interest since then.
And as a result of even speaking to the community center about putting my poster up,
I was given an opportunity to recently give a talk to the community.
And even from that,
I've had lots of people come up and talk to me about wanting to do lots of different things uh with various local organizations and reducing their,
(08:10):
their personal waste as well.
Fabulous.
So is this the beginning journey of something potentially even greater at the larger community of other more like minded people?
I hope so.
Chloe I really do.
I hope,
yeah,
I hope it's the start of something that could be a lot bigger and,
you know,
it's funny and,
you know,
I want to find like minded people but I also want to find different minded people because I think I'm really big on that,
(08:35):
that these kind of actions to reduce our waste and help the environment don't belong to a certain kind of people that look a certain way or dress a certain way or do a certain thing?
It's for everyone.
So I want everyone to be involved and take an interest you no matter where they're from or who they are.
Yeah.
Brilliant to see where that goes.
And we'll look out for those community events happening within Kingston.
(08:55):
So,
talking about your family and your household,
um how have you and your family managed to reduce your plastic within your household?
And is there any particular item that you found particularly challenging to reduce?
00,
yeah.
It's a long list.
I can reel off a lot of the changes that we make.
Um,
some of them.
I kind of forget now because I've just been doing it for,
for quite a few years now.
(09:15):
But certainly when I started like,
you know,
I follow the five hours of zero waste living.
So firstly,
we refuse what we don't need and that's really where it starts.
That's what we need to be doing first.
And the great thing about that is,
you don't,
actually,
it's,
it's actually not doing something.
There's,
you're saving time and money.
So it's quite easy to do.
So,
I,
I think the biggest change we've made is just refusing,
(09:36):
um,
by just not buying things that we don't need.
So personally,
I avoid as much as possible,
any single use snacks or food.
You know,
if I'm going out,
I'll take a banana or a Mandarin or maybe some snacks that I got in a,
a free filter jar from the bulk store.
So I avoid,
you know,
single use packaging as much as possible.
(09:56):
Um You know,
leisure shopping,
we don't just go shopping for the sake of it.
Certainly,
whenever we consider that we need to make a new purchase for the house,
we consider if we really need it.
Um And if we decide we do,
we,
we try to purchase second hand now or borrow from family or friends,
but there's lots of things that,
that I no longer buy in terms of plastic.
(10:17):
I mean,
a lot of,
you know,
wonder creams and,
and you know,
deodorant that comes in plastic bottles and things in the bathroom.
I don't buy that anymore.
I just use olive oil for my face and I make my own deodorant,
for example,
out of apple cider,
vinegar and water,
you don't need a lot of products.
Um in the bathroom,
you can refill your shampoo bottle and condition a bottle at,
at bulk stores and buy unwrapped soap in the kitchen.
(10:40):
I mean,
when we do the grocery shop,
we try to stick to a list.
I get what I can from a bot store but it's not,
it's not always convenient.
It's all slightly out of the way to the,
go to the bulk store.
So what if I do go to a standard grocery store?
I'll just opt for loose weight,
um,
as much as possible.
You know,
I'll buy the whole pumpkin rather than the half in glad wrap and maybe just make some extra soup or extra roast pumpkin for various recipes.
(11:02):
But having said all that,
I think another part of your question was,
what's the hardest?
I do find the food packaging really still quite hard to get around.
That's quite tricky.
I'm sure you wouldn't be the only person that would say that to.
I know from my own experience.
Um Yeah,
food packaging sometimes is used in excess and it can be,
it can be quite difficult to avoid,
you know,
those necessary items you need to cook your meal for the day.
(11:25):
So it sounds like you're doing a lot and your family is doing a lot and I know we're all on a different journey when it comes to reducing our plastic waste and waste in general.
So I suppose if we simplify it a lot,
what do you think could be a top tip that we could give our listeners something simple?
And easy for them or something that you would certainly find simple and easy as a recommendation for people to reduce their plastic plastic waste.
(11:48):
I really dislike single use coffee cups.
As you probably noticed I would recommend definitely refusing those.
There's so many other alternatives to using them.
So you can sit in the cafe and have it in a mug or a cup.
You could bring your own mug.
A lot of cafes will just accept a mug or it doesn't have to be a fancy Keep Cup or similar brand.
Uh,
or just wait till you get home to have your coffee.
(12:11):
And then I think,
yeah,
just,
just single use disposable items.
I would recommend to take a look at there's loads of alternatives or actually some are just not,
not needed at all.
But if you're willing to kind of,
if you're happy to spend a few minutes,
sometimes you can just kind of take a step back and look at what you're using in your life and you can just do a little bit of print,
(12:31):
critical thinking,
step back and have a look about what and see what you're putting in the bin and maybe just target one thing to start with and do what,
what works for you and what's easy for you because you're right,
this can look different for everyone.
Um And what,
what is an easy change for me to make might not be easy for someone else.
It depends what needs you have in your life.
What your family situation is like,
(12:52):
there's a lot of factors,
but that's one of the things I love about making these changes is this kind of,
you can start anywhere,
you can start with one thing and then do something else the next month.
Um and just build from there,
you don't have to do,
it doesn't have to be difficult.
Yeah.
Thank you.
That's great.
Mentioning your community group again,
I wondered if you wanted to share.
Um If,
(13:13):
if uh people can get involved or get on board with that at all.
We Yeah,
we,
we hold a few throughout the year.
It's still taking shape a little bit,
but we,
we'll be holding regular cleanup events.
So head to the Facebook group and have a look for our next cleanup event in Aspen Gardens.
Great.
We'll keep our eyes peeled for that.
I'm gonna say a great big.
Thank you to Kylie for joining us on the trash talk podcast and for sharing everything there,
(13:34):
all the tips and the wisdom you have there.
And we look forward to seeing where your community group goes.
Thank you.
Thanks so much for having me,
Chloe.
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And we pay our respect to their elders past present and emerging.
We'd like to thank West Library for providing us with an acoustically treated space and quality equipment to record the trash talk podcast.
The studio is free for the Kingston community to use and available for bookings.
(00:27):
Welcome to Trash talk,
the world's trashiest podcast where we sort through your waste and recycling.
Hello,
everybody and welcome to the Trash Talk podcast.
(00:48):
My name is Chloe.
I'm the waste education officer at the city of Kingston.
And with me here is Kylie Milne,
a local resident passionate about zero waste living.
Perhaps we can start with you telling us a little bit about yourself.
Thanks Chloe and thanks so much for inviting me here today.
Um So,
yes,
I'm a resident of the city of Kingston and I've lived here my whole life.
That's where I went to primary school and high school.
(01:10):
And after those years of my lives,
I did a Bachelor of Science at Monash University um where I majored in immunology and biochemistry.
And I spent quite a few years in medical research after that.
And now I'm in the clinical trials industry and that's kind of my,
that's my profession,
I guess.
Summarized pretty briefly.
I've got a couple of kids now in primary school myself.
(01:31):
And,
yeah,
and I'm passionate about reducing the waste that our household produces.
Fabulous.
Sounds like you have quite,
um,
quite a background there.
Can you tell us why you're passionate about um waste and why?
What led you to become so passionate about this?
I guess there's a,
a few,
there were a few light bulb moments for me.
It's hard to pinpoint just one.
(01:52):
But certainly it was after having my second child that I started just noticing the amount of waste that was coming into our home and I started looking at the amount of waste that was in our red landfill bin and I started becoming a bit concerned thinking,
well,
if this is just us.
Um What about our street?
What about at the suburb level?
What about state and globally?
And you know,
how is this sustainable?
(02:14):
I,
I still remember having this one moment when I was standing in the laundry and I had this big pla empty drum,
plastic drum of,
you know,
earth friendly laundry liquid that I finished and I just stood there staring at it thinking,
how is this Earth friendly?
I don't even know if this is going to be recycled.
I'm not actually really sure what happens to this after I put this in the bin.
(02:35):
So I just started uh reading around,
um,
you know,
things that I could do to reduce my waste.
And I discovered zero waste living and in particular,
I discovered Bea Johnson's book,
uh Zero Waste Home.
And uh just the whole new world opened up to me.
And I just realized there were all of these things that I could be doing to reduce my waste.
Um,
and I started making a lot of changes fabulous.
(02:56):
And so have you got,
um,
was it difficult to get your family on board with the reduction of that waste or at least changing some lifestyle habits there?
Um,
there's definitely been a few challenges but I'm lucky that my husband's been very supportive.
Um,
but also I mostly,
especially in the early days focused on myself.
So I just focused on the waste that I was producing and,
(03:17):
and certainly my family's been on board with a lot of it but you have to kind of work in your circle of,
um,
in,
you know,
what you can control and what you can influence.
So,
um,
you know,
there are certainly some things that my husband still likes to buy that.
I would not,
I would not purchase myself for the waste factor,
but I have to let that go and appreciate that he's really supportive.
And overall we've made massive changes in our household.
(03:38):
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah,
it's about,
um,
uh,
achievable steps,
isn't it?
Really?
And,
and everyone's got a different way of doing things and it sounds like your husband has one way you have another and you have to make what works a balance between the two within that.
Then I'm curious how you think or what you think around,
how we can get other people on board with reducing their waste or reducing their plastic consumption because we know plastic is a large part of,
(04:02):
of,
of our consumption just going into the supermarket,
we can see loads of items.
Um So what do you think we can do to try?
And I suppose what would be the best way to encourage others to reduce their own plastic waste?
I think um I think that's an excellent question and a really hard one because it's complex and I think there's not just one way or even one best way,
(04:22):
but I'm a firm believer that we just need more better examples in the community.
And I think that's what's inspired me to do what I'm doing to try to um you know,
form a community group and speak to the community about easy ways we can reduce waste.
Because when you're,
you know,
at the coffee shop with the school mums after school drop off and they're all getting their takeaway coffees in a throwaway cup,
(04:46):
you do the same because you're assimilating and you think that it's OK because other people are doing it.
Um,
when you buy a single packaged snacks for your kids.
Well,
everyone else is doing it.
It's on the supermarket shelf.
So it must be ok.
So I really believe that we need to educate and um those of us who are really making efforts,
I know that there are simple ways to reduce waste,
(05:06):
need to be stepping up and setting an example and trying to have conversations because,
and that's something I still struggle with is how to slot it in conversations.
It's not always easy to kind of to talk about waste.
A lot of people make throwaway conversations like,
oh,
isn't this bad that I've bought this with all this plastic?
But that's often just the end.
It's a,
it's a comment but there's no real that next level conversation where you discuss what could be done.
(05:30):
You know,
what,
how could you have refused that?
How could have you reduced what you bought?
How could it could have you opted for,
you know,
getting something second hand.
I think slowly though over the years,
I have seen people become a bit more aware and changing the habits that they have around,
especially using plastic unnecessarily.
But yeah,
I think education but also retailers need to take some responsibilities as well.
(05:55):
I would love to see cafes start to pop up and not,
not supply single use coffee cups.
For example,
there has to be,
I think an element of or certainly the dilemma can sometimes be that places like cafes want to see the demand for people going in there demanding the reusable or the or you know,
they get a discount if they bring their reusable,
(06:15):
keep cups and things.
So I know that there's a caveat there for cafes.
But um certainly there's a,
there's a place for them to,
to step up.
Um,
you mentioned a community group.
Is this something you,
you are part of or you started or tell us a bit more about this?
So I guess um my involvement on speaking about reducing household waste has evolved a bit over the years.
(06:36):
It started a lot with just me internally thinking about it and personally doing things and then it just didn't feel enough after a while.
I thought,
you know,
I felt that I saw our family's waste be reduced dramatically from the most simple changes that I'd made.
Not only that were we reducing our waste,
but I actually noticed I was happier.
(06:56):
I felt that I was living a life that was more aligned with my values.
And there was just a really nice simplicity that came with making some of these changes.
I feel like I want to do more because I wish I had have known about this earlier and I wish I could have been making these changes earlier and I want to talk to people about it and help other people do it because I think they'll benefit from it and the environment will benefit from it.
So I started a blog and then after a while I think when you're trying to do something yourself,
(07:21):
the motivation is hard.
You're always up against yourself.
And I thought um I often do my best thinking when I'm going for a walk and I went for a walk one evening and I just thought,
why don't I just start a community group?
I could get some people on board and they could help and we could motivate each other and surely that will accelerate some of the changes that I'm trying to make in the community.
So I went around sticking posters up wherever I could um looking for,
(07:45):
for other people who were keen to be involved in a,
in a community group aimed at promoting zero waste living.
And that's kind of how it started.
And I have had a bit of interest since then.
And as a result of even speaking to the community center about putting my poster up,
I was given an opportunity to recently give a talk to the community.
And even from that,
I've had lots of people come up and talk to me about wanting to do lots of different things uh with various local organizations and reducing their,
(08:10):
their personal waste as well.
Fabulous.
So is this the beginning journey of something potentially even greater at the larger community of other more like minded people?
I hope so.
Chloe I really do.
I hope,
yeah,
I hope it's the start of something that could be a lot bigger and,
you know,
it's funny and,
you know,
I want to find like minded people but I also want to find different minded people because I think I'm really big on that,
(08:35):
that these kind of actions to reduce our waste and help the environment don't belong to a certain kind of people that look a certain way or dress a certain way or do a certain thing?
It's for everyone.
So I want everyone to be involved and take an interest you no matter where they're from or who they are.
Yeah.
Brilliant to see where that goes.
And we'll look out for those community events happening within Kingston.
(08:55):
So,
talking about your family and your household,
um how have you and your family managed to reduce your plastic within your household?
And is there any particular item that you found particularly challenging to reduce?
00,
yeah.
It's a long list.
I can reel off a lot of the changes that we make.
Um,
some of them.
I kind of forget now because I've just been doing it for,
for quite a few years now.
(09:15):
But certainly when I started like,
you know,
I follow the five hours of zero waste living.
So firstly,
we refuse what we don't need and that's really where it starts.
That's what we need to be doing first.
And the great thing about that is,
you don't,
actually,
it's,
it's actually not doing something.
There's,
you're saving time and money.
So it's quite easy to do.
So,
I,
I think the biggest change we've made is just refusing,
(09:36):
um,
by just not buying things that we don't need.
So personally,
I avoid as much as possible,
any single use snacks or food.
You know,
if I'm going out,
I'll take a banana or a Mandarin or maybe some snacks that I got in a,
a free filter jar from the bulk store.
So I avoid,
you know,
single use packaging as much as possible.
(09:56):
Um You know,
leisure shopping,
we don't just go shopping for the sake of it.
Certainly,
whenever we consider that we need to make a new purchase for the house,
we consider if we really need it.
Um And if we decide we do,
we,
we try to purchase second hand now or borrow from family or friends,
but there's lots of things that,
that I no longer buy in terms of plastic.
(10:17):
I mean,
a lot of,
you know,
wonder creams and,
and you know,
deodorant that comes in plastic bottles and things in the bathroom.
I don't buy that anymore.
I just use olive oil for my face and I make my own deodorant,
for example,
out of apple cider,
vinegar and water,
you don't need a lot of products.
Um in the bathroom,
you can refill your shampoo bottle and condition a bottle at,
at bulk stores and buy unwrapped soap in the kitchen.
(10:40):
I mean,
when we do the grocery shop,
we try to stick to a list.
I get what I can from a bot store but it's not,
it's not always convenient.
It's all slightly out of the way to the,
go to the bulk store.
So what if I do go to a standard grocery store?
I'll just opt for loose weight,
um,
as much as possible.
You know,
I'll buy the whole pumpkin rather than the half in glad wrap and maybe just make some extra soup or extra roast pumpkin for various recipes.
(11:02):
But having said all that,
I think another part of your question was,
what's the hardest?
I do find the food packaging really still quite hard to get around.
That's quite tricky.
I'm sure you wouldn't be the only person that would say that to.
I know from my own experience.
Um Yeah,
food packaging sometimes is used in excess and it can be,
it can be quite difficult to avoid,
you know,
those necessary items you need to cook your meal for the day.
(11:25):
So it sounds like you're doing a lot and your family is doing a lot and I know we're all on a different journey when it comes to reducing our plastic waste and waste in general.
So I suppose if we simplify it a lot,
what do you think could be a top tip that we could give our listeners something simple?
And easy for them or something that you would certainly find simple and easy as a recommendation for people to reduce their plastic plastic waste.
(11:48):
I really dislike single use coffee cups.
As you probably noticed I would recommend definitely refusing those.
There's so many other alternatives to using them.
So you can sit in the cafe and have it in a mug or a cup.
You could bring your own mug.
A lot of cafes will just accept a mug or it doesn't have to be a fancy Keep Cup or similar brand.
Uh,
or just wait till you get home to have your coffee.
(12:11):
And then I think,
yeah,
just,
just single use disposable items.
I would recommend to take a look at there's loads of alternatives or actually some are just not,
not needed at all.
But if you're willing to kind of,
if you're happy to spend a few minutes,
sometimes you can just kind of take a step back and look at what you're using in your life and you can just do a little bit of print,
(12:31):
critical thinking,
step back and have a look about what and see what you're putting in the bin and maybe just target one thing to start with and do what,
what works for you and what's easy for you because you're right,
this can look different for everyone.
Um And what,
what is an easy change for me to make might not be easy for someone else.
It depends what needs you have in your life.
What your family situation is like,
(12:52):
there's a lot of factors,
but that's one of the things I love about making these changes is this kind of,
you can start anywhere,
you can start with one thing and then do something else the next month.
Um and just build from there,
you don't have to do,
it doesn't have to be difficult.
Yeah.
Thank you.
That's great.
Mentioning your community group again,
I wondered if you wanted to share.
Um If,
(13:13):
if uh people can get involved or get on board with that at all.
We Yeah,
we,
we hold a few throughout the year.
It's still taking shape a little bit,
but we,
we'll be holding regular cleanup events.
So head to the Facebook group and have a look for our next cleanup event in Aspen Gardens.
Great.
We'll keep our eyes peeled for that.
I'm gonna say a great big.
Thank you to Kylie for joining us on the trash talk podcast and for sharing everything there,
(13:34):
all the tips and the wisdom you have there.
And we look forward to seeing where your community group goes.
Thank you.
Thanks so much for having me,
Chloe.
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