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AgQuip_Final:Waters Edge podcast acknowledges the traditional owners of country throughout the Murray-Darling
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AgQuip_Final:Basin and Australia and recognizes the continuing connection to lands, waters and community.
AgQuip_Final:We pay our respects to Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander cultures and to the elders
AgQuip_Final:past, present and emerging.
AgQuip_Final:Well, for this episode of Waters Edge we're coming to you from Ag Quippet, Gunnada, where
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AgQuip_Final:we've heard from hundreds of people over three days about issues in the basin affecting them.
AgQuip_Final:Welcome to Water's Edge.
AgQuip_Final:The Inspector General Troy Grant was here and he was able to speak to people
AgQuip_Final:directly about their concerns. Here's a bit of what you in the community had to say.
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AgQuip_Final:We're talking about a Murray-Darling Basin in Water and the fact that being an ex-Western
AgQuip_Final:and division person water is the most important part of life out there without water you just
AgQuip_Final:cannot survive.
AgQuip_Final:That goes not just for the rivers but it goes for underground water too.
AgQuip_Final:So I'm reluctant to support people that are irrigating crops with underground water but
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AgQuip_Final:as far as the Murray-Daling goes it should never have been left to the states to look after
AgQuip_Final:and administer it.
AgQuip_Final:should have been looked after right from the word go by the commonwealth as one person.
AgQuip_Final:So it's a balancing act, but they should be enough information between all the states
AgQuip_Final:and the Feds and the Murray-Dulling Basin Commission to be able to work out what the flows are
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AgQuip_Final:going to be within the river systems there.
AgQuip_Final:And the allocations need to be adjusted to those flows that are there, not what's held
AgQuip_Final:in the dams, adjusted to what's in the flow. They know what is in what's entering the system.
AgQuip_Final:They've got gauging stations all the way along the rivers. They know what's coming or they
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AgQuip_Final:should know and they need to let take advice from people that are lived on the rivers for
AgQuip_Final:a long, long, long time.
AgQuip_Final:You're passionate about the system. You know a ton about it from what you've just said
AgQuip_Final:there and your frustrated states run constitutionally because they won't refer all their
AgQuip_Final:powers to be run singly by the federal department or in a single entity. We've been created,
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AgQuip_Final:you said you've heard of us but you didn't understand what we do. So we've been created
AgQuip_Final:as an independent body to police or everyone responsible for that water management.
AgQuip_Final:What's your views on that? Do you think that's a good thing? Like an independent umpire
AgQuip_Final:an independent arbitrator, while we can't run the,
AgQuip_Final:and manage the river ourselves,
AgQuip_Final:we're now in the independent body
AgQuip_Final:that makes them all accountable.
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AgQuip_Final:And we've transparently put that information out
AgQuip_Final:to the public, is that something
AgQuip_Final:you think is a good thing going for it or what you use?
AgQuip_Final:- I think it is a good thing.
AgQuip_Final:Given, as long as the regulator looks at it
AgQuip_Final:in a broad view.
AgQuip_Final:- What I'm interested to know is how are you going to make,
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AgQuip_Final:How are you going to get cooperation with all this water management?
AgQuip_Final:You know, you've got different states, you've got New South Wales,
AgQuip_Final:Victoria, you've got South Australia and Queensland.
AgQuip_Final:How do you make all those governments cooperate to manage water better?
AgQuip_Final:That's what I'd like to know.
AgQuip_Final:And I know the government's heading queries and it goes on and on and on.
AgQuip_Final:But nothing concrete comes out.
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AgQuip_Final:And I respect the issues and the difficulties that, you know,
AgQuip_Final:they would be having with this pretty slightly now.
AgQuip_Final:How can they make it public?
AgQuip_Final:- You're the star of the show because we were established
AgQuip_Final:two years ago to exactly fix that.
AgQuip_Final:So we're the Inspector General Water Compliance
AgQuip_Final:from the Ari Dulling Basin and we police the Australian
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AgQuip_Final:government, which is the Water Division, the MDBA,
AgQuip_Final:the Commonwealth Environmental World of Holder,
AgQuip_Final:and then every state's jurisdiction.
AgQuip_Final:When we started up, we got a blade called
AgQuip_Final:Des Peers and did an audit basically,
AgQuip_Final:and he looked at how they all managed it individually,
AgQuip_Final:and then what was required to do exactly what you'll talk about how to get them together.
AgQuip_Final:Yes.
AgQuip_Final:So one of the recommendations you may was to create something called the Registry Leaders Forum
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AgQuip_Final:that I chair, so I'm independent, and I bring them all together, and we get them whether
AgQuip_Final:it's because there's a whole different components, there's the metering component, there's the
AgQuip_Final:enforcement, how many inspections they do, what sort of panel they hand out, decisions
AgQuip_Final:about.
AgQuip_Final:What are releases?
AgQuip_Final:It's state and federal, it's both.
AgQuip_Final:And that's part of the problem, it's so confusing, people get confused.
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AgQuip_Final:So ironically what people don't understand is before I started that meeting in 10 years
AgQuip_Final:the base and plan have been alive they've never met before.
AgQuip_Final:So that's why they haven't ever worked together.
AgQuip_Final:But since then we've produced a couple of things that they put in together so that you can
AgQuip_Final:see whether they're doing their job properly.
AgQuip_Final:One of them is called the metering report card.
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AgQuip_Final:So by 2025 they've all got to reach a certain coverage of meters, a quality of meeting
AgQuip_Final:and the information that comes from the meters in the reporting
AgQuip_Final:So is that legislated?
AgQuip_Final:It's part of the Morodalein Basin Plan, it's called the Compliance Pack
AgQuip_Final:Yeah, that's a legislative document
AgQuip_Final:So the compliance compact is...
AgQuip_Final:Because you've got to have, unfortunately, you've got to have a hammer
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AgQuip_Final:to hit them on the head with to make them comply
AgQuip_Final:Otherwise, it's a toothless tiger
AgQuip_Final:Who is that fellow yet?
AgQuip_Final:Mick Keildi, didn't he?
AgQuip_Final:Keildi?
AgQuip_Final:What did Keildi do?
AgQuip_Final:He had no power to really do anything
AgQuip_Final:So I replaced Mick Keildi and then they gave me the powers
AgQuip_Final:you're making the points 100% right.
AgQuip_Final:So Mick didn't have the powers.
AgQuip_Final:So on the 5th of August, two years ago,
AgQuip_Final:the powers came in, so we're two years old,
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AgQuip_Final:so it takes time to recruit people, get people up.
AgQuip_Final:So we just start and need our straps.
AgQuip_Final:So the metering and port cards out
AgQuip_Final:to get the states working together.
AgQuip_Final:And by the end of the year,
AgQuip_Final:we'll have a compliance reporting framework.
AgQuip_Final:So that you'll be able to read off our website
AgQuip_Final:and everyone will be able to read exactly
AgQuip_Final:what every state is doing
AgQuip_Final:and trying to do it more similar together
AgQuip_Final:and right across the base.
AgQuip_Final:And so it's not stable.
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AgQuip_Final:great interest and we're sure the best. Also joining the Inspector General here were two of our
AgQuip_Final:field officers. Gundawindi based officer Jess said the three days were really helpful and an
AgQuip_Final:important way for her to speak to some people she may have never met before. Jess what are some of
AgQuip_Final:the issues that people have been talking to you about the last few days? We've had a quite a few
AgQuip_Final:stakeholders drop in and talk to us about just trouble with getting compliant with their meters
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AgQuip_Final:so accessing a Julie-qualified person to install meters or repair meters,
AgQuip_Final:particularly in that sort of Namoi Guaida sort of New South Wales area of the Northern Basin.
AgQuip_Final:Some other issues are we're having state agent like lots of stakeholders coming in and talking
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AgQuip_Final:to us about how they're finding it very challenging to access information from state agencies
AgQuip_Final:like New South Wales Water, particularly around licensing. How do they get licensing?
AgQuip_Final:How do they apply for it? How do they check if they've done the right thing with processing
AgQuip_Final:paperwork? Most people are using the online tool, but again they're looking for feedback around whether
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AgQuip_Final:they've done that process correctly or not and are unable to do that. So we've had to refer quite a
AgQuip_Final:few across to or back to New South Wales Water and also to NRAR around those sort of licensing and
AgQuip_Final:compliance issues. And then what are you what where are you sort of seeing people
AgQuip_Final:coming from are they mostly from New South Wales? Yeah lots of people from New South Wales
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AgQuip_Final:so obviously lots of people from Gunnida, Narbray, Moree we've had quite a few from sort of the
AgQuip_Final:Lockland area down near Dubbo. Some from Correndi, Tamworth region so yeah very heavily
AgQuip_Final:New South Wales based with the stakeholders we've been speaking to over the last two days.
AgQuip_Final:And now that we're nearly wrapped up with day three, what will you do with all this information
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AgQuip_Final:and that you've gathered after talking to people?
AgQuip_Final:Yeah, so the information, the first process with, I guess, collating this information, we will
AgQuip_Final:have a meeting with our Assistant Director who can pass all of the intelligence into a report
AgQuip_Final:and we'll go through a detailed debrief of what the key themes were, what the key messages
AgQuip_Final:from stakeholders were. From that report, that information will be delivered directly
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AgQuip_Final:to the executive. Usually there will be a number of field reports that sort of go along
AgQuip_Final:with that as well as probably follow-up engagements. The Inspector General has been here for
AgQuip_Final:two days as well, so he'll probably have some value to add to that. And that information
AgQuip_Final:eventually, you know, in 12 months' time when we've compiled the field days that we've
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AgQuip_Final:set out to do this year, all of that information that will go towards supporting decision-making
AgQuip_Final:around next future work planning.
AgQuip_Final:So, people can rest assured knowing that the information they've shared with you will
AgQuip_Final:actually be put into something meaningful.
AgQuip_Final:Yeah, absolutely.
AgQuip_Final:Every bit of information that we get from stakeholders is uploaded onto a log in real time.
AgQuip_Final:So I might be speaking with a stakeholder.
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AgQuip_Final:I'll take their details.
AgQuip_Final:I'll either make an arrangement to have an engagement with them, you know, maybe in a week
AgQuip_Final:or Tuesday or whenever that sort of availability then works and then that
AgQuip_Final:data is put into a like a sort of kind of spreadsheet and I will send that
AgQuip_Final:directly to another team member via email immediately and she will
AgQuip_Final:upload that to the log so we don't have any lag with this with recording any of
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AgQuip_Final:this data and often if people have asked quite a few people have come in and
AgQuip_Final:said oh we don't have a contact for this person or we're not really sure
AgQuip_Final:about how to get this across the line or what agency is this with again and we have maybe
AgQuip_Final:it doesn't fall exactly in our remit but we've got that information. You just take
AgQuip_Final:their email, you quickly punch out an email and you send that directly to them so everything
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AgQuip_Final:is recorded and everything goes towards adding value to future work that we do.
AgQuip_Final:Well our quip is the second field day the IGWC has attended this year with some more on the
AgQuip_Final:calendar soon. Maggie is in charge of organising the IGWC's presence at Field Days.
AgQuip_Final:Maggie, can you tell us what goes into organising something like our quit?
AgQuip_Final:We get together with the field offices and chat over the biggest issues that are going to be
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AgQuip_Final:relevant to the area and we get some collateral together, a little bit of marketing giveaways for
AgQuip_Final:people. So what Field Days have we been to now and have we got any more planned coming up?
AgQuip_Final:Yeah, so earlier this month we were in Mali at the Mali machinery field days.
AgQuip_Final:That was our first one for the year.
AgQuip_Final:It was a great local event that brought in a lot of irrigators and dry land farmers.
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AgQuip_Final:So there was a lot of good engagements that came from that one.
AgQuip_Final:Obviously we're at Ag Quip at the moment in Ganada and again a lot of irrigators here,
AgQuip_Final:a lot of people who are from town as well.
AgQuip_Final:So it was always interesting to get people's different perspectives on the water issues.
AgQuip_Final:Next up we have Riveland in South Australia and then shortly after that we've got Henty
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AgQuip_Final:machinery field days.
AgQuip_Final:And what about next year are you already looking at planning events for next year now?
AgQuip_Final:We sure are.
AgQuip_Final:I imagine we'll be back at a couple of these field days but we're also looking into some
AgQuip_Final:of the bigger shows in the bigger areas as well as some of the more local grassroots events
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AgQuip_Final:and shows in some of the smaller communities as well.
AgQuip_Final:people can expect to see more of the Inspector General of Water Compliance.
AgQuip_Final:They certainly can.
AgQuip_Final:It was the 50th anniversary of Ag Quip and after a couple of years of it being delayed,
AgQuip_Final:it was good to see it back and bigger than ever before.
AgQuip_Final:The Inspector General was at the official opening congratulating everyone on their mammoth
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AgQuip_Final:efforts.
AgQuip_Final:So one more pleasure and privilege for us to be here as a supporter of the 50th Ag Quip.
AgQuip_Final:personal mates I've been coming to our equips since I was seven years old, back in 1977.
AgQuip_Final:And to be able to contribute to this wonderful celebration 50 years as a sponsor and supporter
AgQuip_Final:of this event as the Inspector General for Water Compliance for the Murray Darling Basin
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AgQuip_Final:is a wonderful opportunity that we're very appreciative of. So I'd like to extend my congratulations
AgQuip_Final:to the organizers from 50 years ago, you know, as Max Ellis on my left over here as well,
AgQuip_Final:a wonderful legend of this wonderful event in this region as well.
AgQuip_Final:This is such an important event for us to be able to engage with the community.
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AgQuip_Final:Tell us what we need to be doing to hold those government agencies to account, to make
AgQuip_Final:sure that water management across the basin is fair and equitable, is being managed on
AgQuip_Final:a level playing field and transparency and accountability about the spending of taxpayers
AgQuip_Final:money, some $13 billion of it, has been done for the right reasons in the right way.
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AgQuip_Final:And the scope of the amount of people that they come from across the basin is enormous.
AgQuip_Final:It's been really pleasantly surprised to learn throughout sites.
AgQuip_Final:How many people are coming from the Middorf Coast through the Hunter as well into this
AgQuip_Final:area.
AgQuip_Final:So it's been, it's been a wonderful draw card.
AgQuip_Final:It gets wonderful people together to see the very best on offer in the agricultural sector.
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AgQuip_Final:We'd also have those conversations to showcase what they do and make us a lot of available
AgQuip_Final:programme. We've been really reliant on to do our job. So on behalf of us, congratulations
AgQuip_Final:to the ACREC team. Well done. Very proud to be a supportive sponsor this year and have a wonderful
AgQuip_Final:way to go everyone. Thank you. Well now we're preparing for Rivalent and to Henty Field Base
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AgQuip_Final:later in the month. We look forward to seeing you there.
AgQuip_Final:Our field officers will be at the Ritalan Field Days on the 15th and 16th of September.
AgQuip_Final:Visitor said, "Site 236 on the corner of Central Boulevard and Second Street."
AgQuip_Final:And say good day.
AgQuip_Final:For those visiting the Hanty Machinery Field Days over the 19th, 20th and 21st of September,
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AgQuip_Final:make sure you call in and see us at Site 708 Block P.
AgQuip_Final:It'll be great to have a chat and hear from you.
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