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Turn it this on.
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Here we go.
Babyface joining us.
Alright.
Let's see here.
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I'm rolling.
I'm rolling.
So and Walter's having some technicaldifficulties joining us, so let me see if I can
actually start the stream over here.
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It looks like it should be rolling through tothe folks out there.
Just give me a second while I double checkthat.
And
alright.
Walt, can you hear me?
I don't know if he can hear or not.
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Hold on, Walt.
Don't, do anything yet.
Okay.
Yes.
Jade Rue says we're live.
Okay.
Let's see.
We we should be feeding through to the folksout there right now.
Hold on.
Let me make sure that I'm I'm playing thisthing.
Okay.
Alright.
Eric, you can hear me.
Right?
Yes, sir.
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I can.
Okay.
Babyface p, you got you you're getting me loudand clear?
Alright.
Cool.
I think I've got to assign Walter before okay.
Yeah.
He's in the Walter's gonna be in the Green Roomuntil I get going here.
Alright.
Let me hit the button and we'll start going.
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We should be live.
Hold on a second.
I gotta put some screens up on here.
There we go.
We should be live feeding out to the folksright now in the YouTube world.
Walt, can you hear us?
Oh, he's muted.
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Walter is somehow yeah.
Walter's muted, but I think everyone else canhear us, so that's how it goes whenever
whenever there's a guest.
Last week, everything was fine.
It was just the three of us.
Whenever there's a guest, what will happen willhappen.
Alright.
So we are live.
Eric, I think this is your first time notthink.
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I know this is your first time on the show.
So we've we've got Eric who is the CEO, EricJacobson, who's the CEO of, the new Bushmaster
Firearms.
So we do this thing called jazz hands, Eric.
Doesn't matter how
I can
do it.
You know, it doesn't matter how macho you are.
We're taking it back from the terrorist.
There you go.
I hope you guys have your big girl panties onbecause we are live.
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This is episode let me see.
I gotta remind myself.
1,073 of the Who Move My Freedom podcast.
Like I said, my guest is Eric Jacobson of thenew Bushmaster firearms, and we're gonna be
talking about their 22 a r c or ARC, as Patrickis gonna remind me probably a bunch of times.
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22 ARC pistol that they have out.
I don't think that's the full name either.
So welcome to everyone out there.
Eric, welcome.
Babyface, welcome.
Walter, welcome when you can figure out what'sgoing on while your microphone is muted.
Yeah.
So at some point, Walter will figure it out.
And what's up to everyone who's out there?
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How's everyone doing?
Good.
There you go.
Walter says Walter says he's doing good.
Everyone's out there.
You guys, let us know if you have questions forEric.
Just start putting them in the chat now.
Shout out to everyone who's out there joiningus.
As you guys come in, smash the thumbs up.
I see the jade grouse out there.
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C.
Bolas is out there, ready, shooting gallery,Annie as well.
And, you know, we will we'll take the commentsand questions and stuff after we get through
just the the basic part of the intro here.
I wanna start on Eric, and, let's let's go tohim.
Eric, welcome to the show, man.
First time.
Yes.
Thank you for having me.
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Oh, you're you're very welcome.
And, if you wanna explain to the people, just,like, tell the folks out there, you know, who
you are, how you came to be the CEO ofBushmaster Firearms.
Well, so I'll start with Bushmaster.
We purchased the Bushmaster brand, out ofbankruptcy bankruptcy in in twenty twenty
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twenty.
So we've been operating out of Minden actually,we were in Carson City, Nevada for a period of
time, but now we're in Minden, Nevada, a veryred state.
And, we're we're going back to our roots withthe Bushmaster brand.
You know, back in the day, Bushmaster was oneof the ABCs and really was an industry leader.
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And and that's what we believe the brand to bethe brand to be.
Excuse me.
So we are are going back to that Wyndhamoriginal quality and back to what Bushmaster
stood for in the product, and that's what we'reproducing today.
Myself, I served four years as a United StatesMarine after the marine corps.
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I I got into this position in October notOctober.
Sorry.
June 2023 and have been operating as CEO eversince then.
So just a little bit more than two
Oh, okay.
Awesome.
Awesome.
And Eric was telling me, before we started,Patrick, and before you joined, that he met me
when he was, like, in high school or something.
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Did.
And not to lose relationships, but Mhmm.
One of the directors for our company is adirector for another company that Hank was
doing a video for and I happen to work for thatcompany at that time.
Mhmm.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Are we allowed to talk about said company orwe're not supposed to talk about it?
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They're
sponsor, aren't they?
Yes.
They are a sponsor, so they would they'll beshowing up here.
But yeah.
So that was, when I was visiting the factory,at Franklin Armory.
And, how old were you back then?
Because I feel really old now.
So I'm trying to
I believe I was 17 or 18.
Right now, I'm 25.
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Wow.
Okay.
Yeah.
And and just for the viewers, I I was a triggerbuilder.
I wasn't operating firearms.
So
Oh, okay.
Well, I mean, you know, there's nothing in inNevada, how every time that someone's on from
Nevada, we have to go through this.
What's the proper way of saying Nevada?
Is it Nevada or Nevada?
It's Nevada.
And if you say Nevada, I'm gonna lose mytemper.
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Oh, so it's it's Nevada.
Nevada.
Nevada.
Okay.
There you go.
Alright.
Cool.
Yeah.
You know, I remember visiting at that time and,like, I think you you were saying it had
something to do with the AK trigger back then?
You know, I I I can't recall.
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It was such a long time ago.
They at the time, they had a lot of innovationgoing on.
Mhmm.
So I won't speak on that, but, we recoveredsomething new.
I I recall.
Okay.
Alright.
Alright.
Awesome.
And then I never met you at SHOT Show becauseI've been at SHOT Show a bunch.
I'm assuming you didn't get to come out to SHOTShow?
No.
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Well, at that point, no.
But for Bushmaster, yeah, we've we've gone outseveral times.
In fact, the last two, three years, I I've beenleading the SHOT Show, show.
So
Okay.
Cool.
Yeah.
You know, it's too bad that we, can't actuallycommunicate with Walter right now because for
years, Safety Harbor Firearms was right acrossfrom said Franklin Armouries, you know.
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And then even, I think, because Walt I thinkhow many years has it been, Patrick, that
Walt's not doing SHOT Show?
Two years?
Two or three?
Yeah.
Two or three.
So at some point, I think I remember him beingthere and then Bushmaster was right across as
well.
Because you guys are typically very close inbooth spacing.
Right?
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Yeah.
In the LE Room.
Yeah.
Yeah.
In the yes.
In LE.
So and maybe I need to get Lola, can youconsult with Walter and see what's going on
over there?
He's he's got a he's got a young in the house.
I should be able to help him.
Oh.
No?
Yeah.
Walter's saying no.
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Yeah.
So I'll see if I can get, if I can get Lola tohelp out there.
Patrick, any questions here before we get in?
I know there'll be questions from from thefolks in the audience.
oh, boy.
For somebody in the audience to ask it becauseI I that's rude of
me to just You don't wanna start trouble.
Everybody knows what the question is, and I'mgonna let the audience ask it.
And you don't wanna be
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j grouse question.
J grouse says Walter needs to get a whiteboard.
Yeah.
Alright.
So let's see.
We'll see Okay.
It looks like Lola's calling him over there.
Alright.
So the big thing we are here to talk about,Jay, and we could talk about whatever you want
to, whatever the folks want to, whatever peoplewanna talk about.
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But we are here to talk about the I have itright here.
The the Bushmaster 22 arc pistol.
I think what's the actual name of this?
Because I was looking it up.
I think it's got a longer name.
Right?
It is the V Radicator, so it's part of our VRadicator series, and it is the 22 r pistol.
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Oh,
okay.
There you go.
And I can give you guys oh, let's see.
I'll try to go full screen here so we can get abigger look at or a better look at it here as
we get into it.
And there is a video that has, been turned ontoday with myself, babyface p, Walter, all of
us shooting this gun right here.
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And actually, this is all thanks to babyface,by the way.
I don't know if Babyface wants to tell thestory of how this video came to be.
But I needed we can't get into specifics, but Ineeded something for one of my rifles.
They had it.
And because of that Uh-huh.
The relationship flourished.
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Right.
Right.
Yeah.
So, you know and I think it's a good thing.
Do you have some opinions?
Let me take myself off of the screen here inthe background.
Sorry about that.
Do you have some opinions you wanna share withpeople, babyface?
On what?
On the gun.
You shot the gun.
It it it's it's interesting.
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It shoots very flat.
It's not what I would create, but it is, aninteresting flat little shooting coyote gun is
what I would probably call it.
Oh, okay.
And, Eric, how did the gun come to be?
How did this gun come to be?
What's the, you know, what's the whole impetusbehind on
the head.
So it's it's a part of our, V Radicator series.
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It's, it's designed for varmint hunting.
It's a it's a pistol that you could still reachout to 500 yards, you know, with the all the
creature comforts of a pistol.
And now being a you know, with my Marine Corpshistory, you know, being a marksman, having the
comforts of a pistol and being able to hit yourtarget extremely accurately from a distance is
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is is cool.
And and quite frankly, ours is the cheapest onthe market.
With an MSRP let me pull it up here.
Yeah.
So this is up on the websites as of right now.
Right?
It should be.
We we are announcing this today.
So Oh, okay.
It will if not, it will will be soon.
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But we're just a little north of $1,100 at$11.54 95.
So
Okay.
It is a Bushmaster.
It is reliable, and it this gun really isaccurate, and it's a joy to shoot.
Mhmm.
Yeah.
I think that's a better number than I thoughtit was gonna be.
Right, Patrick?
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I I don't know what
you're know.
In the video in the video, we were talkingabout it, and there was a discussion, like, you
know, exactly what's it gonna be.
I think we were saying it's gonna be a lot moreexpensive than that.
So I'm I'm glad to say sure.
Yeah.
We weren't exactly sure.
At the time we were making this video, this gunwas not out yet.
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Right?
So what we got was, like, a t and e, but gunsare out now.
Right?
They are out in stores, etcetera?
We will be shipping September 1.
So preorders are out now.
Okay.
Preorders.
Okay.
Okay.
Yeah.
Oh, okay.
So so the the gun stores out there, if peopleare looking for it, they'll be winding up in
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the gun store soon?
Yes.
Sure.
You know, the best way to get all theinformation on the firearm is just to visit
bushmaster.com.
We have all the specs and information.
Any any question you could ask, the answer isthere.
Okay.
Awesome.
Let's see.
Okay.
I'm trying to get Walter back in here.
Let's see.
Walt, can you hear us now?
Can you talk?
Nope.
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He's still you are muted for some reason.
Something that you have is muted on your end,Walt.
He's probably not muted.
He probably has the wrong microphone input orsomething.
Yeah.
He's probably got the
Well, his headset's working because he can hearus.
Yeah.
He can hear us.
We just can't before I could hear him when hefirst came in, I could hear him.
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So, yeah, I think he changed the settings onhis microphone.
Microphone.
That's what's going on there.
One more thing.
Touch base on that MSRP.
Not to name names.
But Mhmm.
From what I have been able to research, we'rethe cheapest pistol in this caliber on the
market.
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
Tony, any of the arcs tend to be fairlyexpensive.
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Yeah.
So so I think one of the things we we shouldprobably talk about is where does this caliber
even come in.
I think I've got, you guys were nice enough tosend us some ammo, which is nice, you know, so
we can actually shoot it up.
And, some we've got the Hornady match here.
So where does this ammo come into play?
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Let's talk about that.
Let's start that here.
There you
go.
You know, I I think the coyote realm is aperfect, example of the testament to this
caliber.
Hornady developed the caliber just recently, Iwanna say a year or two ago.
And, you know, it's very flat, very, you know,high ballistic coefficient.
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I saw a YouTube video of a guy putting a moosedown with this caliber.
Granted, he shot it three times, and he wasprobably a 100 yards away.
Mhmm.
But, you know, when you're after when you'rehunting hunting after, you know, varmint or
maybe something a little bit bigger, whichadmittedly, this this pistol is designed for
coyotes, not hogs.
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Sorry.
Groundhogs.
Something to that nature.
It it's not what it's not the energy that that,you know, kills the animal.
It's it's momentum.
Mhmm.
So this this caliber has a lot of that and isvery accurate.
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
Sorry.
I'm I'm trying to look up the guns right now.
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So let me see.
I'm trying to I'm under the V Radicators.
I'm try it's listed on the website, you said.
Right?
Yes, sir.
Okay.
Or will be at the end of this podcast.
Oh, okay.
Alright.
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I'm not sure it's exactly up there quite yetfor for, or at least I'm looking if you can,
send me a send me a link to it if you have one.
Because I'm looking here on the website.
I can't, I can't
actually has some great data around this.
Let me see if I can shoot that.
It's not on the website quite yet or at leastit's not in the vRadicator
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Yeah.
Subsection.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Fumble on our
Yeah.
Lola Strange wants to know if ARC is also anacronym.
Or
Advanced Rifle Cartridge, I believe.
Again, it's a new caliber.
So
Yeah.
Mhmm.
Say that again?
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Advanced Rifle Kit.
Let me check.
Okay.
Let
me double check.
Let me double check.
I believe it's yeah.
It's
I think
it's cartridge.
It's a yeah.
Yeah.
And it it's a hornety it's a hornety thing.
Yeah.
So the big thing for me when we were making thevideo for anyone looking at that video is that
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you'll probably hear me a couple of times inthe video saying 20 I think what was I saying,
Patrick?
22 ACR?
ACR or ARC.
Yeah.
I think I was first, I'm dyslexic, so that'sone.
And I blame you guys for you know, you there issuch a thing associated with Bushmaster, you
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know, as the ACR.
Not that's not a segue, but, you know, there issuch a thing.
And my brain takes all those things and putsthem together.
So yeah.
And I know Patrick kept saying, okay.
It's 22 ARC.
So that's why I think Lola is asking about thatif it's an acronym, not an acronym.
So there you
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it is advanced rifle cartridge.
Okay.
Boom.
There you go.
And how long has it been around?
Again, you know,
I'm sorry.
It's something like less two years.
I I thought it was fairly due caliber.
Yeah.
It's less than it's less than 10.
I don't know if it's less than five, but it'sit's the the what I from what I understand,
it's it's one of the ideas that Hornady isrunning with to take what normally would be a
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three zero eight size cartridge and try toshrink it into a AR 15 size caliber.
So you can use it in standard magazines.
So I believe this one they're trying to matchor it might be six mil arc might be the one
that they're trying to match twenty two twofifty, and I think the 22 arc is another one of
those larger calibers that they're tryingshrink down.
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Mhmm.
Yeah.
Jade Grews ask Jade Grews says, I've neverheard of 22 ARC.
Can you use regular 22 LR in a 22
ARC?
Could not even close to the same Yeah.
It's pretty massive.
Yeah.
Yeah.
22 arc is a big, big caliber.
Yeah.
I mean, I don't have any, 20 twos right athand, but, yeah, it's a big bullet.
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It uses a six five Grindle magazine just togive you a size comparison.
Yeah.
So this would this would be closest to six fiveGrindle.
What are we saying here?
Like, neck down or
two fifty.
It's a it's kind of the replacement of thatround.
It's a more
This one is the twenty two two fifty.
Right?
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That looks like 22 arc.
Yeah.
Yeah.
22 arc 22 arc is they're aiming to get it to betwenty two two fifty, and I think six
millimeter arc is a slightly different thing.
Okay.
Yeah.
And the
first I heard about it was two years ago.
For my recollection, it might have been out,sooner than that, but that's that's what I
recall.
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Yeah.
So I think from us shooting it, like, you know,my opinion is that, it's actually pretty cool.
I'm guessing at this point, it's very expensivebecause this stuff we were shooting is not
like, you know, range ammo or anything likethat.
So it's kind of expensive, but very flatshooting Mhmm.
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Very low recoil, you know, even in a shorterbarrel gun like the pistol that we were
shooting.
Yeah.
It's a very, interesting caliber.
I I like the high ballistic coefficient it has.
Yeah.
Being a shooting right, not rifle.
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Sorry.
Pistol.
It It you hit your target accurately and andbeing able to, you know, hit your target at a
distance again, with the creature comforts of apistol is is pretty cool in my
opinion.
Mhmm.
Yeah.
I think the only well so, like, the negativethat we saw in the beginning when we first got
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it out here and we were shooting it is there'sa big old muzzle.
This thing right here.
You know?
There's a
break on the end.
Yeah.
This break right here is bodacious.
It works.
It does work.
Yeah.
It's Oh, yeah.
Don't stand next to it.
Yeah.
Very low recoil and all that kind of stuff,but, yeah, it was, you know, it was, moving
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some air right there.
I mean, it's pretty painful.
And once we we got, we got the Muda two outhere and put that on this, it was
awesome.
It down.
Yeah.
I actually have a Muted two out here, and beingthat it's a 22 caliber, and I it works with the
the 22 r.
So something I'm gonna show your viewers
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is Okay.
Hold on.
Let me go full screen on you here.
Go.
I'll I'll close it.
Twenty seconds, by the way.
Oh, yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
We might have to, take this over into yeah.
We'll take it over into the next section here.
Yeah.
I know it's a little crazy here right now.
You know, we're still trying to figure outwhat's the technical difficulties going
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Alright.
We are back.
Sorry about that, Eric.
No.
No.
All good.
All good.
Go ahead.
Yeah.
So go for it.
Mhmm.
With the meter too, you know, this made out ofInconel six twenty five.
They're three d printed.
You got just about, 12 and a half ounces, soit's a fairly considerably light can.
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Your MSRP on this is just north of $600, socost effective.
This thing is durable.
Tell you what.
It is a fully auto rated can, and the nicething about it is it's gonna take me a second
to unscrew it, but, I wanted to show yourviewers that you can service these baffles and,
obviously, cleaning, which is a part ofservice, you know, very efficiently and easily.
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Let me get you guys a look at the inside.
Told you it'd take
me a second.
Oh, you're good.
Anyway, there we go.
Boom.
That's what it looks like.
And here are your baffles.
So very practical, Ken.
You got a direct thread, hookup.
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So it's it's pretty simple, prettystraightforward, pretty cost effective, and
pretty durable.
And that's kinda what we do at Bushmaster.
We offer that, practical, reliable product.
That's gonna be that middle of the road interms of price point.
But Mhmm.
You know, you're gonna get that Bushmasterreliability with our products.
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Oh, okay.
Yeah.
I I thought the can was pretty cool.
We put it on a machine gun.
It worked
it worked fine.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It worked cool.
Worked better than fine.
I shouldn't say fine.
It actually worked really well.
Yeah.
And it wasn't heavy, and it is was superdurable.
So it was it was good.
It was really, really good.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And I that's, I know, is on the website ifanyone's looking for the Muda two, you know,
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that you can definitely find that out there.
So I think it made a huge difference on thegun.
Getting rid of the blastiness big deal.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It made a huge difference.
And, are you planning is this just gonna be inpistol form, Eric, or are you putting this, if
Walter could actually communicate with us rightnow, he would be asking about, you know, longer
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barrel, etcetera.
So I'll ask that question for him.
I cannot confirm or deny that a rifle in thiscaliber will be
brought to market.
Okay.
Okay.
Cool.
Yeah.
We I think we were all impressed by it.
You know, I know Walter was looking atdifferent And you don't have to, you know, you
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don't obviously have to buy a Bushmaster, butI'm sure Eric will be happy if you did.
But there are other people building these gunsout there.
Right?
In this caliber?
Yeah.
I I thought you can get some, like, 22 arcbarrels Mhmm.
Because all you need basically is an AR andstuff like that.
Or no.
You haven't seen anyone else build it.
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No.
I have.
Okay.
And that's kinda why we we started with thispistol.
Now we came out with a 300 blackout and a fivefive six that's in our bravo Zulu series.
Those are also pistols.
Mhmm.
So that's kinda where we came out with a 22 arcas well in the v radicator series.
Mhmm.
And, really, you know, we we wanted tospearhead at least the pistol series in the AR
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market of this category, because I I have yetto see any pistol in this caliber cheaper.
Now I'm sure your viewers might find something.
And if so, great.
I I'd love to see that.
But if not, you know, again, we're we're thecheapest I've seen out there.
Not cheapest.
Most cost effective,
I should say.
Okay.
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Yeah.
To put to put the whole put the whole thingtogether.
Night Train wants to know if Hornady is theonly manufacturer of 22 ARC, or do other
companies make that caliber?
From what I know, it is just Hornady.
I'm not sure if any other manufacturers have orammo manufacturers have, started to look into
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it, but, I know that Hornady developed theirballisticians developed the caliber, so it
really has been their baby from day one.
Mhmm.
Okay.
Okay.
Yeah.
Here.
I'm just trying to track and see if there's anyother things.
So what's the with the at Bushmaster, you know,what is the rollout plan before we get into
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other stuff here?
I'm you know, there may be other questions, youknow, coming in for people out there about
this.
But what's the rollout plan of products?
Like, how do you see this?
What's the vision of how you guys put thingsout?
Well, we have really just been going back tothat Wyndham original quality.
Mhmm.
We we offer a lifetime warranty on our on ourproducts.
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So just getting the brand rec or we have thebrand recognition, but letting people know that
we're we're in business.
We're we're manufacturing.
When we started this journey, a lot of peoplethought that Bushmaster went down with
Remington.
That is not the case.
We, like I said, are operating in Minden,Nevada, and we manufacture.
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You can visit our website.
We we are definitely scaling up the bigger prodproducts and and projects.
That being said, you know, just just gettingthe the brand, awareness out there for for
Bushmaster.
We we make, you know, a a various calibers.
We have all the way up from a 50 BMG down to,you know, five five six, 300 blackout.
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We we have four fifty Bushmaster.
Really, any rifle that you could need forwhether it be hunting, know, and various other
categories, for ripe for for what you wouldpurchase a rifle.
So that being said, there are projects that I'mI am not at liberty to speak on right now, and
(28:19):
I'm I'm sure we'll we'll kinda get into thatlater.
However, you know, just really focusing on thatquality, which is what Bushmaster was done.
Okay.
So, I mean, I guess we might as well just getinto it now, I think.
How much can you talk about when you know, Idon't know if you want to talk about this or
not, so let me know.
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But when, when you guys got your hands onBushmaster, what did you actually get?
Can I ask you that question?
You know, did you just get the, you know, howcan I say it, the the the rights to the name
Bushmaster?
Was there any, you know, proprietaryinformation, any patents or anything that came
(29:05):
along with that that we could discuss?
Well, there there are some things that I'llI'll have to kinda get to around.
But Mhmm.
We we do have we purchased the IP.
So it was a IP purchase of the Bushmaster brandand certain trademarks and and registered
trademarks.
(29:26):
What was the other half of your question?
I'm sorry.
I'm driving right here.
Well, I mean, so, like, when you got thecompany, I'm I'm curious about, you know, what
came along with it.
So was it just, you know, just the name or yougot some some kind of, IPs, like because
there's always questions out there about thereal, I I I don't know how to put it, but the
(29:46):
real fancy stuff that folks are looking for.
Right?
Some some of what we got lying around here, youknow, I was kind of waiting to jump into that
after maybe Walter and Patrick got somequestions and stuff like that out here.
But let's say, you know, like, okay.
I've got
Just ask it.
Yeah.
I got a arm pistol here, for example.
Where is
the Bushmaster ACR?
(30:07):
You know?
God.
I'm waiting for someone to jump in.
Jake is just gonna beat around the bush forseven years.
I'm I'm, like, looking for it,
and he's not coming.
Anyway
Yeah.
Yeah.
ACR is not a dead platform.
And and I know, your viewers and many otherviewers and fans of the ACR are waiting for
those days.
I I can tell you it's not a dead platform, andthat is at all I'm, you know, at liberty to
(30:30):
speak on right now.
Okay.
But it it we're aware, and and we understandthe the the desire for that product.
And, you know, in any feedback of of yourviewers and any viewers
Mhmm.
Comment down below.
Let us know.
You know, we listen to our customers.
We care about our customers.
That's why we produce quality product.
(30:52):
So Yeah.
So baby face p for the people listening onaudio, baby face p is holding up an ACR right
now.
You know, I'll try to get a more close-up lookat that here.
Actually, let me see.
I'll just go I'll just go full screen tobabyface right now.
Let's do that so he could show off.
(31:13):
I know you guys have one for sale, Eric.
Oh, yeah.
Or more than one.
You got technically yeah.
Well, I think you have this listed on the sitesomewhere or something similar.
Yeah.
And these are gen one b mags, which go alongwith it perfectly.
(31:36):
Okay.
There you go.
Tell us about your your ACR here, Patrick.
This one came from old school Bushmaster inWyndham, and it's serial number 928.
So it is a very, very old version of the ACR.
It has as far as I can tell, it's gone throughrefurbishment a couple times because they did
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have a couple recalls.
Old Bushmaster had some recalls on thesethings.
I do believe it took on all of those, but,yeah, there's some things that I would love to
see done with this because I do really, reallylike my ACR, and everything about them is just
extremely expensive.
Is that is that come by.
Right.
Is that the only thing that you're waiting for?
Or the the On Bushmaster?
(32:19):
Yeah.
I'd love to see an arm pistol because I doactually want an arm pistol.
If you guys are planning on doing the armpistol.
I don't know.
Don't know if that's in the books.
But I'd I I actually do want an arm pistol asgoofy as it is.
It's an interesting piece of history.
I'll tell
you that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's cool.
It's weird.
It's not gonna sell to every person on themarket, and it's probably gonna be a little
(32:40):
expensive, but I want it just because it'sweird.
Well, I'll I'll plug them.
Mhmm.
I believe there's a manufacturer making one.
I'm trying to remember.
Oh, is it old twin.
Yeah.
Other bullion.
Yes.
Yeah.
Quid manufacturing.
Yeah.
Hydra.
Hydra.
Yes.
Yeah.
Yeah.
(33:00):
And for anyone who's interested here,
I'll go They're probably gonna fill that niche,which is where it's at.
There are things on this that if they if partsand pieces trickle back to the market, it would
be a big deal.
Be this being the first thing.
The stock.
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If somebody if somebody brought this back tothe market because I know the company that
makes it still probably has the plans to makeit.
Like, they have the blueprints.
Because this is from Magpul.
The stock itself is is one of the Magpulthings.
These things are now fetching enormous money onthe secondary market because everybody thought
that it was, like, the best stock ever made.
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And then for whatever reason, will just decidedto stop producing it.
I think when when Remington and everything elsekinda took a poo.
But small stuff like that, bringing some ofthat stuff to the market first would be
fantastic.
Yeah.
Hold on a second.
I'm I'm trying to yeah.
Okay.
Walter Walter, you're in the green room for asecond.
(34:04):
So, yeah, here's the arm pistol, which I don'tknow if you have to necessarily come back with
this, but maybe something in the spirit ofthis.
Right?
If that makes
or the
the rifle.
Well, you know, in
the spirit of Bushmaster and Bushmasteroriginals Mhmm.
I we did come out with the
(34:24):
I'm gonna grab real quick.
Hold on.
I'm gonna go full screen on you right now.
So we went back again, going back to Wyndhamoriginal quality.
We brought back the a two, which I know there'sa crowd out there for.
The cool thing about this rifle just from ageneral, you know, view is you can't hack these
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sights.
These sights are fixed iron sights, and no EMPis going to take them out.
So it's a very practical.
You're you know, m 16.
This is the x m 15 a two.
And we kept this this rifle as period correctas we could.
Now, of course, you got the a two carry handle.
You got the chrome line bolt and the chromeline barrel.
(35:09):
Mhmm.
And you have the non f mark front sight.
So, again, we took every step possible to makethis firearm as period correct as we could.
And, you know, when you when you shoot one ofthese, it's it's just like shooting a piece of
history.
In fact, I had marched with one of these in theMarine Corps.
Believe it or not, the Marine Corps does notget rid of anything.
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They're they get all the handicapped from allthe other branches.
So it's just a drill rifle.
However, it had an a two.
So there's a little bit nostalgic, feel that ithas for even a guy as young as me.
Now I'm sure there's more out there that havemore experience with this firearm and this
platform.
But, you know, this is one of the, you know,retro rifles, if you will, that we brought back
(35:53):
out.
Oh, okay.
So this is available right now?
Yes, sir.
Okay.
And what would this be, going for right now onthe website, let's say?
Just I apologize.
I You can you
can just ballpark it.
Just a little bit north of a thousand dollars.
Okay.
Okay.
I mean, that's that's reasonable.
Right, Patrick?
Because, like, we've seen some similar
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a twos?
Yeah.
A twos got really popular, like, a year and ahalf ago, building a twos.
And the upper assemblies, the rear sight upperreceivers are very expensive.
Like, if you wanna build yours out, theythey're they're pretty expensive.
So, yeah, it's not a bad price.
Yeah.
I mean, we've seen I know, like, put some stuffout and some other people, so it can go it can
(36:39):
go way over that.
So that's great.
You know?
And I think there definitely is a market forthat.
I I you know, I think there's also the folkswho just want the weird stuff.
So do you think, like,
with That's that's us.
So that's the problem with this.
This is all of us are a r 15 to out.
We want the weird stuff.
Yeah.
I can speak for all three of us.
Yeah.
Being a marine.
(37:00):
Right?
Being a marine, Eric, do you think that makesyou just a little bit more practical than the
people out there who, you know, who have thewho are screaming like, you know, give me an
ACR.
Give me
an arm
pistol.
And there's some other things, you know, in theBushmaster line that people might be looking
for.
People like variety.
(37:21):
There's nothing wrong with that.
Mhmm.
Practicality, there's different uses foreverything.
I know that arm pistol was used was it Vietnamas a pilot, You know, as the Mhmm.
The firearm pilots would use if they go down oractually, no.
I believe it was designed to shoot out of thethe the helicopter.
I don't know what you would call that.
(37:41):
I built
the cockpit.
Is it was it for helicopters in a cockpit orwas it for aircraft?
Do you know about pretty sure it was not I'mpretty sure it was not used much because it
wasn't really effective.
Yeah.
Know, it's not very practical.
No.
But that that was its intent
(38:01):
Right.
With the design.
Mhmm.
You know, so there's different uses.
You know?
We got the the V Radicator 22 arc to loop itback to that.
This is gonna be your your easy, maneuverablearmy hunting gun.
You know, you could have in a UTB and, youknow, as a farmer or something, you can have it
in a UTB.
And, oh, there's a coyote.
Thank.
(38:22):
You know?
500 yards that way.
You still again get all that that nice light,features of a pistol.
Yeah.
I think, you know, we we get into this whenpeople talk about bullpups versus ARs, let's
say, for example.
I mean, ARs are just super practical.
Right?
You can just do so much.
(38:42):
You can get a pistol version.
You can do shorter barrels, longer barrels.
You can do all kinds of cool things with them,but, you know, sometimes as a gun guy, when
you're just out here for a while doing doingthis stuff, you know, you just want sometimes
to yeah.
You wanna scratch that crazy itch if that makesany kind of sense out there.
(39:05):
And I think I I don't know.
I think it would be cool to see some of thatstuff come back.
I don't I don't wanna hurt like, torture youabout it, but I think that's what a lot of
people dream about out there when they thinkabout Bushmaster.
Although, I'm sure even before Bushmaster wasselling more of the more practical things and
and way more successful with the practicalthings.
(39:29):
Yeah.
No.
And and we totally, you know, hear our our ourcustomers or past customers' concerns and and
and wants for what products they they wanna seecome out.
And, you know, I ACR wasn't not under ourownership, but under prior ownership, wasn't
released properly.
Okay.
And that is not something that at least Iintend to do.
(39:52):
Okay.
So I I probably said too much already.
Mhmm.
But, you know, it's not a dead platform.
I'm just gonna lean on that.
Yeah.
No.
No.
No.
No.
No.
No.
I mean, I'm glad you came on to talk about it.
I know it's not easy to come on and talk aboutthings that aren't out yet and, you know, and
people's frustrations and stuff like that.
Is there I don't know if you could talk aboutthis.
(40:13):
Is, because Patrick just alluded to it, youknow, is there any Magpul cooperation with any
potential things, or is that, like, I think,
you know,
cannot be talked about?
I'm gonna sidestep on that one, I
just Okay.
Impactful.
Yeah.
Mhmm.
(40:34):
Okay.
And and and I think a lot of times this is thisis me saying this.
Right?
A lot of times, it's easier to do the stuffthat you can mill out versus the things that
are gonna need molds and things like that.
You know?
And and I see a lot of that going on in theindustry now.
(40:56):
It's just more efficient, faster to get thingsout there even to prototype, stuff that you can
mill out versus things that necessitate molds,and molds are very expensive.
They they are, most definitely.
Again, you know, we we just wanted to come outthe bat just bringing a quality AR 15, you know
(41:17):
Mhmm.
Just like we did back in the day.
And that's what we're doing currently now.
Mhmm.
And that's step one.
And, you know, as we, dive into other projects,I can say more at that time.
But, you know, for the ACR, again, it's an ideaplatform, and we brought the VA 50 back.
(41:37):
Mhmm.
Mhmm.
That one is really cool.
I'd love to give that one a try sometime.
That's a it's a neat it's a neat gun.
You can't beat it for MSRP of 6 to $800.
A magazine bed bolt action, and it it's it'svery comparable on the recoil.
I'm a bigger guy.
Mhmm.
So it's speaking too, being a bigger guy, youfeel more recoil.
(42:01):
However, it's very, you know, well balanced inin just every nature of that rifle.
Mhmm.
Yeah.
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Yeah.
At this point, Walter should just come in onhis phone.
You know what I mean?
It would be it would
be It would just work so much easier right now.
I He needs a remote desktop app set up on hiscomputer so I I can
log in?
So you can log in there?
It would take us more time than anything.
(43:06):
Yeah.
At this right now, at this moment.
Can I can he hear us?
I think he can hear us if he just jumped on hisphone, if he just took his phone and went
through that link.
You know, I don't think he has anything thereto hold his phone up, though, but you know?
God gave you hands for a reason.
Yeah.
You know?
Because oh, I think he just dropped out, somaybe he's gonna do that.
(43:27):
Alright.
Patrick, do you have some questions, comments,or anything like that you wanna make here?
No.
No.
I I I want to see the ACR come back.
I wanna see again, we are this the people onthis podcast are a Mhmm.
AR 15 out.
The AR 15 market is like Mhmm.
(43:47):
Everybody makes one.
I wanna see unique stuff.
And Bushmaster had some really cool stuff backin the day.
So that's what I would love to see.
Yeah.
Shout out to everyone in the chat, by the way.
I see Chris B is back there in the chat.
What's the in the chat.
What's
up?
What kind of what price point does it take tobuy a three d printer that prints something
(44:10):
like the Muuto?
What does that machine run?
Oh, okay.
Good question.
Inconel.
Inconel printer.
To to three d print Inconel, like Yeah.
Are we talking, like, a million and a half, orare we talking, like, 10 mil?
Like, what is that kind of machinery cost?
It is quite expensive.
And just because of that, actually, I'm gonnahave to, refrain from answering.
(44:32):
I apologize.
Yeah.
Because there's, technical secrets regardingthis product.
Oh.
But, again, you know, that's that's kinda howit it comes to comes to be.
You know, it's a very durable product.
I think you guys can contest to its durability.
I believe you mentioned shooting it on a fullauto.
Mhmm.
It so, again, a lifetime warranty.
(44:54):
If you shoot 10,000 rounds through it, we willwarranty.
We will we will make sure you get a suppressorfor what?
Yeah.
So I don't know if you guys have shown Icertainly haven't done it, like, a factory tour
of Bushmaster yet.
Have you done that?
Is there any
We just recently moved to a new factory or newfacility rather.
Okay.
So like I said, we're in Minden now.
(45:15):
Mhmm.
So we haven't done that yet.
It's on the table if you ever wanna come by.
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
We we probably need to do that.
And are you saying that the, that the yourthree d printer let's see if we got Walter.
He's definitely not muted now.
Me.
Me.
Me.
Me.
Me.
Me.
(45:36):
Me.
Okay.
You hear me?
Yeah.
There you go.
He's he's here.
Yeah.
So it is this a is this not a off the shelf,machine, the three d printer?
Again, I'm sorry.
It's it's
Okay.
I kinda gotta keep close to my chest.
Alright.
But it's a pretty cool device.
(45:57):
Yeah.
So if we came to do a factory tour, we wouldnot be seeing it anyway.
Unfortunately not.
Oh, okay.
Alright.
Alright.
Well, it's worth asking.
It's worth asking.
By the way, so here's something that I wonder alot.
Let me see if I could show can you see thislogo in here?
Do you ever get this question?
What happened to that logo?
(46:19):
The arm pistol logo?
Yeah.
Well, logos go through, you know, rebranding.
And Mhmm.
That actually had happened before ourownership.
Right.
And now it's the m four.
Yeah.
I should know this.
Mhmm.
Yeah.
It's a it's no longer an arm pistol.
Oh, okay.
(46:39):
So, you know, I I love it.
So I think that that obviously makes it, like,very classic, right, for the or for the folks
out there.
You know, this is this is now frozen in time,basically.
That's what we're saying.
Right?
You'll never you'll never ever see
I just wanna have this one.
It's
the the arm pistol logo ever again.
(47:03):
But that doesn't mean there won't be cool logoscoming out.
Cool.
I
don't know.
Walter thinks that doesn't really matter topeople.
I don't know.
Maybe I'm just silly.
But
Well Yeah.
You know, the with the the difference in thethe firearm, no longer the arm pistol, It's got
a slightly different illustration of snake aswell.
(47:25):
Mhmm.
Again, the or ownership.
Yeah.
Okay.
Okay.
Walt, you haven't been able to talk for awhile.
Do you have anything to say to yourself?
Maybe that's a good thing.
Yeah.
You didn't you didn't hear all my expletivestrying to figure that out then.
Oh, I could tell there was some cursing goingon.
(47:47):
I pushed every button and selected everyswitch.
It happens.
It happens, man.
If something could go wrong, it's gonna gowrong.
I've never had that happen ever ever.
I know.
Did you I know.
Did you go as far as just restarting yourcomputer?
And I know that sounds
retarded, but
okay.
That didn't work either.
Okay.
Yeah.
(48:07):
It didn't fix it.
Well, when he first when when Walter say thatagain, Eric.
I was just saying unplug it, replug it.
Yeah.
It's an average.
When Walter first came on, I could hear himtotally fine.
He just couldn't hear me.
Yeah.
And then
Yeah.
And then I think he could hear us, but hismicrophone wasn't connected.
(48:27):
Yeah.
I could hear everything everything was saying.
I'd I'd Yeah.
And you're you're saying, no.
You probably changed something.
I was like, I didn't
say the damn thing.
Come on.
If I had a strangle button, I would've try toI'll press the let's see.
Strangle some sense into Walter Button.
You you
you and you see how much
I use this this phone for the stuff.
(48:49):
Like, this is like this is so this is soprimitive.
Yeah.
Like a savage.
Like a savage.
Like a savage.
Yeah.
Did you have any questions?
Yeah.
Did you have any questions, comments, oranything?
What what
was the inspiration behind the art, thechoosing of the ARC caliber?
Is there a is there a purpose like California,or is there a is there some other meaning we
(49:15):
don't know of or something like that?
Or
No.
It it's a pretty straightforward firearm.
I I just, again, me being a marine liking tonot have to carry a big gun.
I carried a machine gun in the marine corps.
So not having to carry a big gun, but beingable to accurately hit your target from a
distance.
That was the aspect behind it.
(49:36):
And, you know, giving something a little bitmore maneuverable for, like, that farmer that,
again, is, you know, patrolling his ranch andsees a a coyote that eats getting rid
of it.
Yeah.
And that's a big need.
Right?
Coyotes, hogs.
It's a big thing.
Mhmm.
Mhmm.
Absolutely.
(49:56):
Yeah.
And it could work just as effectively on adeer.
Right.
Both the the both the ARC calibers reallyexcel, though, when you throw a little longer
barrel on them.
That's where they're really, really good whenthe twenty, twenty four inch barrel, then they
really cook from what I from what I readafterwards.
(50:19):
So so, yeah, I I get the compactness thing, butI always get these I make 50 caliber uppers.
And when I make short barrel 50 caliber uppers,people say, well, you don't get all the all the
ballistic performance out of a short barrel.
And it's like, well, you know, it all dependson what you want, I guess.
(50:39):
Right?
So or what you're trying to achieve.
So that's why I was you know, I was like, asokay.
So when I looked at the at the ARC calibers, Iwas like, wow.
These things are really cooking if you run itrun the barrel a little bit longer.
So and accuracy has improved too, by the way.
So that's what I that's my
Well, you're right.
We we actually I'll I'll be transparent.
(51:01):
We're gonna come out with a rifle here verysoon.
We let this, pistol, go forward with the otherpistols we announced.
I like I mentioned, we have a 300 blackout anda five five six pistol that we just launched
today as well.
And, the rifle, like you said, is is definitelygetting a lot more ballistics, performance out
(51:22):
of that that longer barrel.
It's gonna it's gonna be an easy thousand yarddrive.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's all.
Yeah.
And, I mean, I don't
I didn't I didn't know if it was a a a thechoice had something to do with getting into
California maybe because I know you guys tryyour darndest to do anything you possibly can
to bust the bust the Californian's balls overthere.
(51:45):
At least at least Franklin Armory does.
So Yeah.
Yep.
Jay is always thinking of how he can facilitatefreedom for sure.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So I just thought to myself, the pushmasterball buster coming soon.
You
better.
You better.
He's gonna
(52:06):
treat my
dad.
I
don't even wanna treat my dad.
Office.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Oh, by the way, I I this is totally left fieldhere.
Have you seen this?
Have you seen this?
Yeah.
Hey.
We didn't make those, man.
Because I know Magpul got into a fit when theysaw that.
(52:26):
Oh, really?
I mean Uh-oh.
Oh, okay.
Make them.
But, you know, yeah, I've done an interestingbatch.
Yeah.
I mean, I I if you don't have any, I know aguy.
But
You don't know anybody that's gonna talk aboutit while we're on this podcast.
(52:48):
Patrick is not trying to have, Magpul or anyoneelse come looking for him.
So here's the thing I was gonna say.
So even though we had the pistol, if you lookat the the video evidences there, we were
freestanding, and we were hitting I think, allthat stuff was about a 100 yards It's 100
yards.
It's a 100.
Yeah.
Downrange.
And we were free standing and we were hittingthose very expensive ketchup bottles.
(53:12):
I was list I was looking at the video today.
I could hear myself and I was like, why didn'tsomeone slap me or something and tell me to
shut up while we were recording?
Because I could hear myself complaining in thebackground that I had to pay, like, $3 for a
ketchup bottle.
But we
were hitting we
were hitting them.
My first shot with that with that with thatpistol, I smacked the ketchup bottle.
(53:36):
So Yeah.
Yeah.
It's, I think it's, like go ahead.
Mhmm.
You know who had to clean that mess up, though?
You?
The deer?
Yeah.
The empty the empty soda bottles and the emptyketchup bottles?
Oh.
We left it all.
Yep.
Oh, sorry.
I thought that maybe, like, some hogs will comedown there and eat the ketchup or something.
(53:58):
Oh, there there wasn't nothing left in thebottles.
That was all gone.
The critters ate all that stuff.
Yeah.
But Yeah.
You guys in Florida.
Right?
What was that?
You're in Florida.
Right?
Yeah.
Mhmm.
Yeah.
You guys got a lot of hogs down there?
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
Yeah?
That's interesting.
I you always hear about Texas, so I
never knew.
We got them we got them too.
(54:18):
Yeah.
There's a lot in Florida.
I don't see them on my property, but they havebeen seen on Walter's place.
Not that long ago,
we were
driving the the main four forty one next to thehouse, and there was a pack of them just Mhmm.
On the side of house because they they knewnobody was gonna mess with them sitting over
there.
So
Yeah.
I see them around here where I live all thetime, but I've seen coyote.
(54:39):
I've seen fox even on my property.
So And squirrels and squirrels.
A lot of squirrels.
A lot of squirrels.
I was I was you know, I've talked to Eric aboutthis, you know, offline.
But, yeah, I think this I think this cartridgewould pretty much frappe a squirrel.
Yeah.
(54:59):
There won't be much left.
And and with the the the rifle we're gonna comeout with, which I I got a spare details on how
that's gonna look and what specs that's gonnahappen.
But the rifle we're gonna come out with, youknow, just like our other V Raticator series or
rifles in the series, you know, you got a lotof guys that like to to sit up and put a table
up and just lay loose on some groundgroundhogs.
(55:22):
So it's gonna be similar to the other, youknow, rifles in its caliber or in its category
rather.
Keep in mind, this is a pistol.
But the other rifles in the in the category,and it's gonna it's gonna be a a fun, almost
DMR like rifle.
Mhmm.
Yeah.
I mean, I could see myself.
(55:43):
I mean, even right here.
Look.
It's right here.
I could see myself.
You know?
I should have.
I need to put a a camera on here and justfrappe a squirrel.
It will disappear.
You know, just for the hell of it.
Because sometimes they annoy me that much.
World flavored mist will be what
Right.
Basically what you see.
So I wouldn't feel I wouldn't you know, I wouldfeel confident, like, if I was riding around or
(56:05):
something and I saw a hog that I wanted to takedown or I saw a coyote or something, I would
feel confident to do it in there.
But, you know, I understand, like, the desirethat Walter is expressing to see something
longer.
Barrel, that's coming out.
You guys will see that.
Oh, yeah.
That's that's inevitable.
Yeah.
(56:26):
It'll
happen.
A lot like the like the guys out west shootingprey dogs, they cap those damn prey dogs at at
some serious distances sometimes too.
So yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's good fun.
It's good fun to take out those kind of things.
You know?
Even it's like me shoot I've been shootingsquirrels with 22.
(56:48):
That's probably the worst thing.
22 is so it's dirty.
You know?
It's always like
squirrels forever.
Yes.
I know.
It's been killing squirrels for a long time,but it's also not very reliable.
You know, I've tried all kinds of different 22.
Right now, I'm just using bucket of bullets,which admittedly bucket of bullets is not the
(57:10):
best 22 in the world, but 22 is just verydirty.
I'm shooting it suppressed.
Something's always getting jammed up, and thesquirrels are just running, like, laughing at
me, you know, because the gun's jammed.
That's annoying.
Something like this, you know you're gettingthem.
You know?
Like, if you're shooting a squirrel and hestops and looks back at you, with this, he's
(57:32):
getting caught right there when he looks back.
With a 22 I think he just laughs at me and runsoff while I'm trying to, like, jack that 22 out
of there.
I think I think that's operator air.
Oh, jeez.
Mhmm.
I don't know.
I mean, you know, it's rimfire.
So Wait.
I think I think you need a mark 19.
(57:52):
That's what you need.
Yeah.
That's right.
Okay.
We'll bring out the MG 42 when it's done, andwe'll take care of squirrels that way.
Oh, no.
Yeah.
Have
you has Bushmaster done any 22 ARs yet, Eric?
So under our ownership, no.
We we have not realm
(58:14):
into the
two realm just yet
at this Okay.
Okay.
Yeah.
That'll be interesting.
That'll be interesting, to to see.
Alright.
Any other questions about that or some otherBushmaster stuff you wanna know about, Walter,
since it's your time now, Walt?
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Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
I I yeah.
My time.
I'm holding this stupid phone up in the
air.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I don't know if you got to really focus on theconversation we were having when we were trying
to see what we can pry out of Eric about
How much?
Yeah.
(58:54):
No.
He's yeah.
I can tell that he's related to Jay, man,because Jay, if he doesn't wanna tell you
something, good luck.
Yeah.
Try to be nice about it, at least.
Yeah.
Although, I appreciate it.
I appreciate it.
I I touched that poster that you guys both,lust over today.
(59:15):
Oh, oh, the, mas what is it?
It's the original Masada poster.
Right?
Yeah.
Yes.
The original Magpul Masada poster.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Did you when you went to SHOT Show this year,did you get to see Bushmaster's 50 that they
have over there?
I didn't really get to
Yeah.
I've I've seen it.
That that's that design's been around for quitea while.
(59:38):
It's went through different hands.
Mhmm.
Ending up right now in Bushmaster's hands.
But yeah.
Mhmm.
It's a yeah.
I'm familiar with it.
Yep.
Oh, okay.
Okay.
Yeah.
That was the pool of the archive and and just,you know, bringing a cost effective 50 cal back
into the market.
Mhmm.
Mhmm.
Yeah.
(01:00:00):
Maybe we have to t and e that, Walter, and, youknow, and
Oh, I mean, you know, that's that's that'sYeah.
You know?
You you
You know you know something you know somethingabout fifties, Walt.
So you know?
Plus, you've got a 50 you've got a 50suppressor.
You're the only guy I know that has any 50suppressors out.
Well, I don't know if Bushmaster's making a 50suppressor.
(01:00:22):
That's probably a good question.
Okay.
Not not at this moment, but it's somethingwe're thinking about.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I mean
I've got a couple of 50 suppressors, actually.
I got three of them, actually.
So
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
I mean,
that's a lot manufacturers.
Yeah.
When Bushmaster makes one of those out ofInconel, that's a lot of Inconel.
(01:00:43):
Well, the one that I have from liberty istitanium in Inconel.
So
Oh, okay.
Yeah.
It it's so light, though, for what it is.
I mean, you you know, you make this out oftitanium.
I I don't know exactly what the weight wouldbe, but for what it is, it's, it it's pretty
pretty light and really durable.
Oh my goodness.
I actually tried to cut one of these in halfdirect
(01:01:05):
Mhmm.
And I I struggled.
I'll just say that.
We we did that in a, for a a demo purpose onlyjust so customers could see the baffles and how
Inconel's what?
Really high nickel content?
Is that what makes Inconel good?
I am not an engineer, but
I I think it has, like, a crazy high chromiumand nickel content.
That's why it's so tough.
(01:01:26):
And, yeah, it'll burn through if you try to usemechanical means to cut that in half, it'll
burn through all of blades.
You know, water jet.
You have to use, like, a water jet, basically.
Mhmm.
But, you know, it disperses heat fantasticallytoo.
Mhmm.
And with the Cerakote, it helps.
Yep.
Mhmm.
Yeah.
So, is there is there any new stuff that mightbe coming out we could talk about, or you just
(01:01:49):
don't discuss any of the new things coming outuntil they're out?
We usually keep our cards close to the chestbefore we are ready to launch, but I will let
your viewers know September 15, this rightright here.
Okay.
Hold on one sec.
Let me
Great.
Yep.
Go for it.
This is a clear magazine and a clear weapon,just so everyone is aware.
(01:02:14):
Mhmm.
But it looks better with the magazine.
So they will have the opportunity to, win thisgiveaway.
This is gonna be our ORC Coyote or co CoyoteORC.
We teamed up with, b five on this where theygave us the sock mod furniture and then the AMG
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(01:02:35):
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I sense I sense that Walter is over theretrying to stack some books on top of on top of
his of his phone.
You made a
surprise.
Sorry about that, Eric.
That was my bad.
Go for it.
Yeah.
(01:03:38):
Okay.
Yeah.
No.
So long story short, this is a a giveaway riflethat we will be announcing the winner on
September 15.
So if you're not signed up for our email, gosign up.
Mhmm.
And it's just gonna require your email for thegiveaway and your contact info.
If you're from California, I apologize.
This is not going to be eligible for state orNew York or any other other state of that
(01:04:02):
nature.
Yeah.
Vote better if you're from those states.
And it's no disrespect to whoever lives inthose states.
You know, this is just a little bit example of,you know, we've been getting into the and
whatnot and, coming out with something a littlebit different, and, we're doing a giveaway.
So, for those interested, go to bushmaster.comand, sign up for our email because we will be
(01:04:25):
announcing this soon.
You're getting the first sneak peek at this.
We haven't announced this anywhere.
So Okay.
Cool.
Go to our website and, sign up.
Alright.
Awesome.
Thanks for showing that off.
We'll we'll, maybe try to remind the folks ofthat here later before, you know, before we get
out, to to check that out.
(01:04:46):
Any comments on that from you guys?
It's cool.
It's cool.
Yeah.
I like I like the b fives, stocks and stuff.
The sock mods?
Yeah.
Mhmm.
Yeah.
I I And I haven't I haven't I haven't meaningto get some of that to try it out, but I just
(01:05:07):
haven't got around to it.
So
You know, it's a a very comfortable furniturefor sure.
Yeah.
Now let me, let me do this before I even forgetbecause, I don't know if we show this in the
top, but I don't know and I don't know if yousaw this, Eric, but I'm gonna show off.
Here's the logo for I change these every day.
(01:05:27):
Now, yeah, I put a lot of work into this, and Icustomized the logos that we do, and in honor
of you coming up so usually, Walter is aneagle, that right there.
See that stoic eagle?
And I'm usually represented by a skull with amohawk on it, and baby face is usually a
scruffy dog.
But in honor of you coming on, we've got thearm pistol, aforementioned, and I guess it
(01:05:55):
kinda looks like a Bushmaster snake.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's a let's just pretend it's a Bushmaster,snake there if it doesn't look that, yeah,
exact thing.
But there you go.
Funny.
We were talking about the original logo forBushmaster.
Mhmm.
And it had a rattler on it on the back, on thetail.
(01:06:15):
Yeah.
This one looks like I think don't have that.
Oh, okay.
They're gonna
do this like that.
Yeah.
This one here that I was showing does have arattler.
It's crazy.
Right?
Mhmm.
Yeah.
Yeah.
The actual Bushmaster snake does not have that.
Yeah.
It doesn't have a rattler.
Yeah.
So They didn't have
yeah.
So I I I get it.
But you know?
I mean, you know, made by gun guys.
(01:06:37):
You know?
Sure looks cool.
Yeah.
Someone doing that logo back in the day.
How old is that thing?
That probably goes back to, what, theseventies, Walter?
1977.
Was when Bushmaster started.
So Yeah.
Fifty two years.
Yeah.
So some artist was like, you know, this isgonna look more menacing.
(01:07:00):
Put a rattler on there.
This is one of those special hybrid Bushmasterrattler type things.
I think, where's Bush I have to go look up, seewhere the Bushmaster snake was from in the
first place.
I think it's from, like, South America, I wannasay.
Bushmaster?
The Bushmaster snake.
(01:07:22):
Yeah.
It's a it's a
rattlesnake, isn't it?
Not sure.
Wait.
The Bushmaster?
Is it venomous?
I'm gonna
say might be from it might be from Vietnam.
Really?
Anyways.
Hold on.
Let me see if I can find it on Wikipedia.
Hold on.
I make guns.
(01:07:42):
I don't know a whole lot about stuff.
It's it's both the weirdest stuff right now.
Yeah.
No.
It's all good.
Yeah.
Hold on.
Here we go.
Lachesis genus.
That's I think I'm pronouncing it right.
Do you know that's the right snake?
Lachesis genus is known commonly as theBushmasters.
(01:08:06):
It's a genus of pit vipers in the family Oh.
Viperidae member species are found forested inareas of the Neotropics.
The generic name refers to one of the threefates, Lachesis in Greek mythology.
So there you go.
So that's where that comes from.
(01:08:27):
Where is Neurotropic?
Yeah.
Yeah.
No.
It's in the Where
the hell is the Neurotropics?
That's the question.
Yeah.
It looks like South America in this thing.
Looks like Mexico, South America.
You're also Muda is a snake.
I didn't know that either.
I didn't realize that that's where that camefrom.
Yeah.
I try
to keep it on, Brad.
Oh, well, Florida I wonder why the the southernpart of Florida is in there.
(01:08:52):
I wonder if that's natural.
Or
and no.
I was gonna say
you guys got a lot
of things down there.
Are you are you in the southern part?
I'm ignorant, so I
don't know if that's We're
all in North oh, well, we're North WaltersCentral.
Yeah.
Yeah.
You guys got a bunch of pythons down there fromwhat I recall.
Yes.
We do.
Yeah.
Yeah.
(01:09:13):
Yeah.
I actually saw there was a lady that that wasthe first woman to ever win the Python catch
and kill and competition.
Did you guys see that?
I did.
Yeah.
I did.
So that's interesting.
Hank sent it
to us.
You sent it to us.
Oh, yeah.
Alright.
There you go.
Yeah.
(01:09:33):
I'll tell you what, man.
Mino like it as snakes.
I like snakes in when they're names of guns,but I'm not really big.
Yeah.
Nevada has a lot of snakes, I wanna say.
Killing me, man.
It's Nevada.
Oh, damn.
Nevada.
Nevada.
Yeah.
I could never Nevada.
(01:09:55):
Oh, you're gonna actually get me to nerd outbecause I I I really like lizards and like,
growing up when I was a kid.
So I actually know all the lizards in thisarea.
We have these these big old things calledChuckwallis, and they're, like, biggest North
American lizard.
They're that big, and they they bloat up whenyou try to catch them.
Wait.
Hold on.
It's called a chuckwalla?
A chuckwalla.
But not not to keep it you know, take theconversation dead lizard.
(01:10:18):
But Oh, no.
That's No.
Let's talk about lizards.
This is interesting.
Boom.
Chuck Wallace.
Patrick, got Desert iguanas, goober tails,
see No.
I'm I'm geeking out
of all of
this type of stuff.
That's wild.
That looks Chuck looks like it would make agreat holster or Probably.
Like a wallet or some yeah.
Boots.
Where where
(01:10:40):
are you guys exactly?
What what's
Do know where Lake Tahoe is?
Yes.
I've been there.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's my backyard.
I'm right down there.
Okay.
Under the last So
you are you are
touching California, basically?
Heavenly, the resort is in my county.
South Lake Tahoe is also partially in mycounty.
(01:11:02):
Do you guys have those pigs out there,javelinas?
No.
We don't.
So it's it's funny you mentioned that because,you know, we're we're really in a forested
area.
We're not we're we're kind of in a train.
Okay.
So it it's you got mountains that, like Job'sPeak is really close to us, which is a big
climbing mountain for a lot of folk.
(01:11:24):
And and that's a lot of pine trees, and thenyou kinda get in the valley, and it's pine nut
trees.
And it turns into a little bit more desertterrain.
Yeah.
It's actually yeah.
It's actually pretty beautiful out there.
The last time I'm trying I I think the lasttime I drove out there When the No.
(01:11:45):
No.
No.
That's not the last time I drove out.
I remember driving out there one time comingout of California, and I was like coming down
this beautiful winding, road that comes down,you know, and, comes down into like Minden, And
then the first thing you see when you actuallycome off that mountain is just farms in there.
They're beautiful.
(01:12:06):
You know?
It's a Canada country.
Sure.
Yeah.
It's very, very nice out there, but I I thinkthat you guys got a lot of the the tech people
moved out there.
And
Oh, did that ruin that whole area for y'all?
You know, we had a lot of Californians moveover here because they figured out they can
(01:12:27):
work remotely.
And they're like, oh, I love Tahoe.
Why not just go live next to Tahoe?
So, like, for houses, for instance, thatdefinitely went up.
Yeah.
But they have not ruined the area.
We we live in a really, really cool county,actually.
So, like, they don't know As
long as they don't bring up politics.
(01:12:48):
No.
But you could tell the way they drive theirtransplants, that's what we call them.
Mhmm.
You know?
If they came from California, they they drive alittle different.
Yeah.
And this is not this is not gun related, but Iseem to remember a lot of the people, over at
let's say, on the on the other side at,Franklin Armory, there's a lot of motorcycle
(01:13:09):
riders over there.
Like, I know Jay rides and everyone's son.
Yeah.
You ride too.
Okay.
Yeah.
These dudes, they they love motorcycles.
Mhmm.
We didn't address it, but Jay happens to be myfather, if if that was not clear Yeah.
By the last name.
So let me
I could just tell from the way you talk, man.
You talk exactly like Jay, obviously.
(01:13:30):
Before you before
anyone calls
him that,
it's legacy.
The legacy.
Yeah.
That's I see Walter.
Is he trying to flex on us?
Yeah.
Walt yeah.
Walter Walter is show hold on a second.
Let me see here.
Let me go full screen and go to Walter here.
Go ahead, Walt.
What are you showing off here?
(01:13:51):
Well, since I'm since I'm on this phone, I canwalk around with it, and I'm not I'm not stuck
out.
If I walked out in the backyard and Mhmm.
You know, and then
Yeah.
Are you looking for some Chuckwalla's outthere?
I thought Chuckwalla's were shoes all thistime.
I've never heard the phrase before, the termbefore.
Yeah.
(01:14:11):
Native American.
Native Oh,
okay.
If it's if it's not a brand of shoes, it shouldbe a brand of shoes.
So let me just own brand.
Yeah.
I thought Chuck Wallace was a brand of shoes,but, yeah.
You know?
I thought
it was a get I thought it was I thought it wasa game show host.
(01:14:34):
Okay.
too.
That too.
Yeah.
So I think when, you know, in the beginning ofthe show, Eric was talking about, you know, his
background and stuff like that.
So and how and you're 25 years old, Eric?
Yes, sir.
Yeah.
Probably very young for a CEO in the gun world.
(01:14:56):
You know, I I feel like it's young for a CEO inany world, but Mhmm.
I I'd like to think I'm a little bit moremature for my age.
Mhmm.
You know, growing up, immediately going intothe marine corps at 17, you grow up quick.
So and something that I I was privy to that nota lot of people get the opportunity is Mhmm.
(01:15:18):
You know, growing up at the gun table or at thedinner table rather, talking about guns, and
and just the whole industry.
So I've I've been blessed to have thatexperience.
So what what the same thing.
Yeah.
What was the how did you wind up, you know,going into the marines at 17?
Was Jay in the marines?
(01:15:39):
I don't I can't remember.
Ironically, and he doesn't claim, any you know,like, to be one of those guys that, you know,
oh, I almost joined.
Uh-huh.
However, he was thinking about joining themarine corps when he was probably my age, and
he did not because of my mother.
(01:16:00):
He met my mother at the time and knew he wouldhave to cut ties, with her if he if he decided
to go that route.
Because Jay's pretty intelligent.
He he would probably be, like, one of thoseguys on a sub who he just babysits nukes.
Mhmm.
But he didn't go in.
Marine Corps still got their body.
For me, I decided to go in just because, I I Ilove the camaraderie that the Marine Corps has,
(01:16:24):
and it was the only branch that would offer atitle.
And I'm very egotistical, so I wanted to saymarine on my gravestone.
Oh, okay.
And and and it was just, you know, I collegewasn't the thing for me right out of out of
high school.
So Mhmm.
I wanted to go be a warrior.
Ironically, not to get into my Marine Corpspast too much, but ironically, I get in, and I
(01:16:50):
sign up from the recruiter station to be amachine gun, an o three thirty one.
Okay.
And what happened is I got injured, and I hadan issue with my foot.
They had to go and do surgery, reconstruct it.
At that time, they wanted to kick me out.
They wanted to tell me that, hey.
You're not fit for service.
(01:17:10):
And I said, pound sand.
I signed a four year contract.
I'm doing this.
Mhmm.
And so I I I go in, and, basically, they stickme behind a desk.
And I'm dealing with generals and and, youknow, helping them do their travel plans or
something stupid.
I did get a lot of opportunity to do sometraining.
I unfortunately, we never deployed because ofCOVID.
(01:17:32):
I was I was in around COVID, and that justcanceled everything.
But I remember right You're
only 25, so, yeah, you you got the, like, shitend of a lot of sticks.
Yeah.
You were 25.
Like, my kid you're the same age as my kids,but you were 25 in the marines during COVID.
Yeah.
I'm taking you for a ride here, gentlemen.
It gets better.
Mhmm.
I I actually remember training.
(01:17:53):
They call it TAD, temporary additional duty.
We had green berets, attached to our unit.
Mhmm.
And I was stationed in good old Twenty NinePalms, California
Oh.
For three years.
You know what?
It's not a great spot.
I'm just gonna say it.
So doing a training up with them and and andplaying up for, and they taught me how to build
(01:18:17):
IDs and stuff and really do some of that highspeed, low drag stuff.
Mhmm.
Awesome.
Awesome training.
Right before then, they come in and say, nomore deployment.
That's that's not gonna happen.
So there was a chance for deployment afterthat.
There it was.
So I go on throughout my career and being amarine, and and Biden's in charge, and he
(01:18:38):
mandates the COVID vaccine.
Well, for religious reasons, I decided not toget the COVID vaccine.
Mhmm.
Okay.
And I had a religious exemption.
I did all the bought it for a year.
And, you know, whoever wants it, hey.
Mhmm.
Do your thing, man.
I'm not against it.
But for me, religiously
Seriously, good good on you because there waslike, my wife my wife's a nurse, and she
(01:19:01):
the hospital tried to pressure her into itforever.
And I
was like, lady, if we have to, we're gonna doan exempt religious exemption.
It's not that big of a deal.
Mhmm.
And I'm glad I'm glad she did because have atwo year old who is in good, healthy, happy
shape, and I think part of it is because shedidn't get any vaccines.
I'll keep my personal opinions aside, butyou're onto something there.
(01:19:26):
Long story short,
you know,
getting to the end of my I'm only doing my fouryears, and I'm getting out.
Like, I loved it, but it was it was a chapterof my life, and I was ready to close.
So four months before I I I I unfortunately gotbooted out of the Marine Corps, they they
that's what their decision was.
I I refused it.
They came back.
(01:19:46):
They denied my exemption.
I submitted a packet this thick with data and,like, Freedom and Information Act, like, just a
bunch of documents saying, hey.
You're violating my rights here.
And Absolutely.
In the Pentagon.
My CEO had to travel to the Pentagon, like, aweek before I got notified I was get booted.
(01:20:09):
I'm pretty sure it was me.
I can't confirm it, but I'm pretty sure I wasthe stick in the mud that he had to or the
better analogy would be the the tallest nailthat he had to hammer.
Mhmm.
Only guy on the base to refuse the vaccine.
There was three of us.
The other two caved in.
I think one of them was actually female, so Ishould correct my statement.
But I didn't cave in, and I I stood on myreligious beliefs because I'm a I like to
(01:20:33):
believe I'm a man of integrity.
And
That's a huge deal.
The pressure was enormous for people who wereYeah.
I remember hearing about
of things?
Yeah.
Armed services members that were going throughthat, including marines.
Yeah.
You know?
You know, Marine Corps is a great organization,and I don't mean to throw dirt on anybody, but
my unit did not handle it the best way.
(01:20:55):
And, you know, I I expected more, if I'm beinghonest.
But Mhmm.
You know, I told them, you know, hey.
You can't make me do this.
I'm not going to do this.
And I'm currently in the process of getting myd d two fourteen updated because they they gave
me general under honorable.
Mhmm.
Which keep in mind, it let me serve fourmonths, and I'm out.
And you could just forget about me.
(01:21:16):
But, no, they had to make an example.
Yep.
No.
Yeah.
That doesn't surprise me at all.
Yeah.
There was a you know, it it's a differentscenario, but I think that same thing was
happening even here in Florida, and we'resupposed to be a red state.
Lola was Lola was doing vaccines from the verybeginning, you know, and never never got it,
(01:21:37):
but the hospital kept putting pressure on her.
And eventually, they told her, you know, eitheryou're gonna have to quit or every single day,
we're gonna test you and we're gonna make youwear a badge that says that you're not
vaccinated.
They literally gave
you the whole thing for everybody.
Like?
The
the I I said the same thing wrong.
Having to wear a special badge, doesn't thatsound like a Hitler thing?
(01:22:01):
Think so.
I agree with you.
Marley Marley's Jewish.
Her mom's Jewish.
And I was like, you should make a stinker out.
This will be really funny.
Yeah.
They work won't know what to say.
Yeah.
They work at the same exact place.
And she asked me about it, and I was like, I'mgood you know, whatever you wanna do.
If you you know, I believe if if you wannaquit, then Don't worry.
You know, quit quit and walk away from it orwhatever you want to do.
(01:22:22):
Been a that would have been a monsterdiscrimination lawsuit.
Sorry.
I think it still can be because they basicallypressured her into getting it, And then a few
weeks later, DeSantis came out and said that noone can be pressured into getting it.
You know?
People
the data speaks for itself.
It's all
done now.
Yeah.
And at that point, she had already gotten it.
(01:22:44):
Yeah.
COVID vaccine, they we're nothing but guineapig shots.
So Yeah.
Don't care what what you've heard.
That was straight up guinea pig stuff.
Yeah.
I don't think yeah.
I mean, I agree with you all.
Mhmm.
Go for it.
Had no idea they had no idea what they weredoing.
None.
Zero.
So Yeah.
Was all it was all about the it was all aboutthe shekels.
(01:23:07):
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I think a lot of it was about control as well,you know, politics wise.
Even So for example, there were people indifferent organizations that just thought this
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Alright.
Sorry about that.
I totally missed that one once again.
You know, and one of the things I would say,like, my kids are in Eric's, you know, age
category.
I'm not trying to flex on you or anything likethat, Eric.
(01:24:14):
I'm just a old dude.
You know?
But my kids, I think I I think the the gen whatgeneration do we put those, like
They're Gen Zs, aren't they?
Gen Z?
Gen Z.
I think a lot of Gen Z believe the governmentfor whatever reason.
So people my age didn't don't believe thegovernment.
But my kids believe the government up untilCOVID.
(01:24:36):
Now they don't believe shit from thegovernment.
Hey.
And what about the ones it's my body.
It's my body.
And they all lined up for the shots.
Every single one of these.
My body.
My body.
And they all lined up to get pricked.
Those people are still claiming it's theirbody.
So
was it was a bizarre time.
Your body, not your decision.
(01:24:57):
Yes.
Yeah.
So I probably said it not your
I would I you know, I would like to see that wethat we have some pushback on that.
I'm not sure if it's gonna even even in a statelike Florida, I'm not sure that it's gonna
happen.
Because they think
never it'll they'll never be able to pull itoff again.
They they cook their own they cook their ownpot or dig their own grave on that one.
(01:25:17):
They won't be able to push it off
on the East anymore.
Mhmm.
Everybody everybody's a lot wiser now.
And if you're not, then go get pricked.
But I
I do see Gen z breaking up a little bit,though.
Mhmm.
You know?
Because for me again, I'm not trying to say I'mall that in a bag of potato chips, but I I like
to think I got a good work ethic instilled intome by the Marine Corps.
(01:25:41):
And, gosh, it's so easy to win nowadays.
Mhmm.
You just gotta have good work ethic.
Yeah.
Go ahead, Patrick.
It's yeah.
It's it's true.
It is true.
Would mean that more.
Yeah.
I think that's been the case for a long time,but, yes, I think this is the thing that
happened for a lot for a generation of peopleyounger than 30 years old that show that maybe
(01:26:07):
will show them that.
You know?
But it's always been that, I think, in America,and it will and it will probably always be
that.
Every generation needs a wake up call to lookat the government and be
like, nah.
I don't trust you at all.
Not even a little.
Mhmm.
Yeah.
And then they also just need to see because Iknow being a older dude, when the whole thing
(01:26:28):
was going down, I was like, this isn't gonnalast forever.
Why are people acting like this is the end ofthe world?
The world is gonna keep spinning no matter whatwe do.
It's very interesting.
Hank, if it would have been a real pandemic, areal crisis, people would have died on the
streets.
Nobody nobody was dying on the streets.
(01:26:49):
No one was the homeless the funny part is thehomeless with with the worst hygiene and the
worst this suffered the least from COVID.
It's a fact.
Mhmm.
I guess I guess if you eat dirt and live in thedirt, COVID doesn't affect you
as much.
Makes you strong.
Yeah.
Well, you know, why aren't
(01:27:10):
we I thought I thought I thought go ahead.
You're saying, I'm sorry.
Go ahead.
Yeah.
Go ahead.
Finish, Walton, then we'll then Eric.
Mhmm.
When yeah.
When COVID all started, I thought that all theall the homeless types had all been they'd all
they'd all fucking drop dead.
Right?
Well, that wasn't the case in this country.
They Mhmm.
The the the the nut jobs and the ones living onthe street, you're not gonna get you're not
(01:27:33):
gonna get a needle in their ass.
There's no way.
And and they did just fine.
Mhmm.
So we figure that one out.
That's good point.
For sure.
Yeah.
You know, there's a lot of things, though, thatgo into just overall health, you know, staying
in shape, proper vitamin.
You know?
I think I read a study that seventy percent ofpeople that got COVID, you know, in the
(01:27:54):
hospitals in the early early days of COVID,they were most mostly all of them lacking
vitamin D, which is
Yes.
Well
fighting Hundred percent.
Mhmm.
And again, there was there was a just
wanna make sure that's clear.
Mhmm.
There was a couple there was a couple realsimple COVID cures, you know, the the
(01:28:14):
ivermectin and and and vitamin d and stuff likethat, but that didn't make anybody any money.
It didn't make anybody any any millions andbillions of dollars, so they they didn't they
that stuff was that was witch that waswitchcraft.
That stuff doesn't work, and that's the and andand and people fell for that narrative instead
of saying, hey.
Give me the freaking give me the the malariadrug that opens up my cells for the vitamin the
(01:28:40):
zinc to get in, which zinc is another thingtoo.
And, boom.
But no.
They do sit in Europe, and it works fine.
So I got a story I didn't mention, when I wasexiting the Marine Corps.
This is about three days before I officiallygot my d d c 14 and left.
We check out of certain places on base.
(01:29:00):
One of those places was what we call PMO.
And you have to let them know that, you know,hey.
I'm taking these vehicles off base.
Well, I had, like, three motorcycles and atruck at at the time, so I had to give him my
license plate info and whatnot.
So I'm giving this guy the information.
He sees my paperwork, sees them getting booted,doesn't see why.
(01:29:21):
So he out of curiosity, he asked me, hey.
Why are you getting what what what are youwhat'd you do?
And I'm like, I didn't do anything.
That's the funny thing.
I just didn't get the shot.
Mhmm.
And he sits there and looks for a second, pullsout a box of 10 different medication.
Mhmm.
He says, I have to take this for the rest of mylife.
They don't know what's wrong with This happenedtwenty four hours after I got the second shot,
(01:29:43):
the booster.
Mhmm.
And that kinda put my mind at ease.
You know?
And, hey.
I get I get vaccines.
You know, that's a whole different story, butthat one in particular was
No.
I could tell you there's a lot of people nowthat have lots of different side effects.
I think, you know, I think me included, youknow, there's there's things.
(01:30:06):
I mean, I I don't know if I wanna get, like,all deep into it, but I think anyone who and I
wound up like, when Lola got the shot, youknow, be to stay working there, I was like, you
know what?
You know, I'm I'm your I'm your husband.
I'll I'll, you know, I'll I'll go down that warpath with you, whatever, and and take it.
(01:30:27):
So I did it.
Now, I'm gonna tell you there's Patrick, you'reyou're muted.
There's weird so there's this weird thingthat's been happening to me since then, where
just out of nowhere, parts of my face will justblow up.
And I thought, okay.
That's just me or some weird thing that, youknow, maybe comes with age or whatever.
And Lola was telling me she has another friendthat lives in a completely different part of
(01:30:50):
Florida that had the same exact, reaction thatafter she got the shot, now she's allergic to
something she doesn't know, and she'll just,like Parts parts of her face will just blow up
for no reason.
You know, like you Like, you're, having anallergic reaction.
So And that's happened to me, like, three orfour times.
(01:31:12):
You're having you're having a you're having anallergic reaction to that shit they shoved in
you.
Yeah.
I But you're having a harder reaction to it.
At at the time, I was like, quit.
They're they're one, they're not gonna fire youbecause there's a nursing shortage.
And two, if you don't wanna do it, quit.
Mhmm.
I made enough money at the time.
Was like, we can we'll survive.
There's no problem at all.
You can come live at home all day and be bored.
(01:31:33):
And she stuck it out and then finally told himto shove it and is happy.
But she was on the fence pretty hard about it.
Mhmm.
My now But I very much was, like, just justquit.
Mhmm.
At the time, again, my my now wife, at the timewe were dating, she was working for the state,
and she had a similar situation.
(01:31:53):
I'm like, don't do it.
I mean, okay if Mhmm.
You you can get a job elsewhere.
And, thankfully, she didn't.
But Yeah.
We we kinda went on the tangent of of vaccinesand stuff.
I I didn't wanna go too far down
that road.
Oh, no.
That's alright.
We go on tangents all the time.
What so tell me other like, outside of pushmaster stuff, you know, what stuff in the gun
(01:32:14):
world is exciting you or Patrick or Walter canjump in?
I'll see if there's questions and stuff likethat from the folks out there.
Any exciting things happening in the gun worldfor you, Eric?
You know, stuff that you're looking at otherthan, you know, what you do.
We'll we'll see what happens with NFA.
Mhmm.
There's some stuff that I know that I can'tspeak on, but we'll we'll do some we'll we'll
(01:32:40):
have a reaction and a good reaction.
Mhmm.
Gosh.
I don't wanna say anything I shouldn't.
Yeah.
We'll see what happens with pedicle.
That's that's something I'm that's an area I'mexcited about.
Yeah.
Definitely don't get in trouble on our behalf.
Yeah.
We're we're not we're not we're not gonna tellanyone, though.
It's just being
Well, not not in okay.
So We're not so forget that we're going outlive.
(01:33:03):
Yeah.
For forget about your work and all what's goingon there.
What things outside of your work that you seeoutside in gun stuff that you go, oh, that's
cool.
I'm like, that's cool.
You know, I mean, you know, because I I makeyou know, I see cool stuff all the time that I
don't make.
So Yeah.
What are you buying that's not made byBushmaster or even Franklin Omry?
(01:33:26):
Or are you willing to No.
Are you not willing to admit?
Blameless.
Yeah.
I know.
I'm probably I'm gonna be very transparenttransparent.
What is the I'm trying to remember the modelthere.
Canic SF or gosh.
It's escaping.
I just I just bought it.
I just transferred one of those for a customer.
Actually, I I did the $44.73 for one of thosefor a customer, and he should be picking it up
(01:33:50):
tomorrow or actually
What is it?
This the race Canic?
New.
It's really nice.
Sorry.
TP9SF.
That's what it is.
Okay.
Yep.
I think that's what it is.
Die hard.
But, you know, I I got a good deal on it, and,I actually like the trigger on it.
It's not American made like Bushmaster, but,you know, to have a, a handgun that, you know,
(01:34:16):
I hope to never use it.
I'll just Is it the t p nine SFX?
S f.
Not the the S f, but, yes.
Not the x?
Not the x.
No.
I I to again, never use it, in in self defense.
But if they have to take a gun for evidence,that's okay.
You can take that one.
(01:34:37):
I had somebody ask me the other day because Ihave some post samples here.
And one of my somebody was here the other dayand like, oh, you should use those as self
defense.
And I was like, bitch, you won't think I'mgonna leave an m p 40 to be used?
Like, the cops are gonna take it and stick itin an evidence locker.
Are y'all retarded?
I'm not doing that.
I have a cheap a r 15 in the it's cheap.
I have an old Colt in the closet.
(01:34:58):
If the cops wanna take that and throw it in anevidence locker, done.
They can have it.
But you I'm not giving up expensive guns.
This all depends you're in Florida, so you'regonna you're gonna get here.
They take your gun and seek it in evidence fora while.
Yeah.
There's a, there's a I think we talked aboutthis on the podcast a long time ago.
There was a guy who, his new girlfriend, her exboyfriend was stalking her, and I think that
(01:35:24):
they went to a hotel and the ex boyfriend foundthem over there, but the guy had What was it?
I think he had a Steyr Ogg bullpup.
And the ex the ex boyfriend smashed his way inthrough the window, and when he came in the
window, the guy, like, you know, one one shot,yeah, took him out.
(01:35:44):
Yeah.
I mean, he he got his he got his gun back.
Yeah.
Self defense.
They didn't even, press charges.
They just like, yep.
Here you go.
So it depends where you're
at.
Yeah.
I hope to never use it in some Yep.
But it's fun it's fun to think.
You know?
And Mhmm.
Something I I just I could scratch it, and it'snot a Kimber.
(01:36:05):
You know?
It's it's not nothing I gotta worry about.
So
Uh-oh.
Did you just say it last
time?
Well,
I think he meant, like, it's not expensive.
It's not expensive.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Kimber makes good products.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's what I think he meant.
It's not expensive.
I have a Kimber revolver, which Okay.
I I have a Kimber revolver, which I love myKimber revolver.
(01:36:26):
Patrick hates it because, you know Each It'sit's a shorty.
It's a snub nose.
Oh, Walter's got Walter's got the high point.
That's his
There you go.
Yeah.
It's not expensive.
Sponsored, Joe.
We're afraid.
Yes.
Of course.
You know, High Point sponsors us.
I think, you know, they make a good gun forthe, you know, for the money, for the prices.
(01:36:48):
But this, yeah, this is, like, $3.99 orsomething from what I yeah.
Look at that.
$3.99.
And that's Yeah.
You
know, a little cheap.
That's retail.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Very interesting.
Very interesting.
I was shocked with the trigger and, you know,every now and then again, I I I don't love that
it's not it's Turkish.
(01:37:09):
Mhmm.
So it's not US 100% US made.
But, you know, the trigger was alright, andMhmm.
It's fun to shoot.
So Yeah.
They work.
They work really well.
Yeah.
You plan Like, I'm in the same boat.
I prefer to buy an American made product, butit it works.
They work.
Yeah.
And not to the other
Oh, hey.
Stop stop it, Patrick.
Stop that bullshit.
(01:37:31):
You're you then then sell sell me that m p 40then if you prefer an American made product.
It's American made.
What are you talking about?
Think it's myself in the garage.
He made it.
He just made it.
I made it in the garage myself.
It's American made.
Stop making excuses.
Stop making excuses.
Walter is just trying to
get you to
Walter is just trying to get you to sell himthe m p 40, Patrick.
(01:37:53):
Yeah.
I I can't afford Patrick's m p 40.
So
Walter has one that we just needed.
We're I
have one.
Yeah.
It's a
big deal.
Yeah.
So I
I'm working the m g 40 two's next.
It's real
I always love the people.
I always get off with I love the people say, Idon't even buy American.
(01:38:14):
I said, well, here's a Luger.
You don't want it?
Oh, well well, that that's not the same.
I I
See, I'm not discriminating when it comes toguns.
I'm not discriminating when it comes to guns.
I I take all guns in equally.
Yes.
All guns are beautiful.
Yeah.
You know?
Yes.
Okay.
I can't think of a country that I would say noto a gun from that.
(01:38:37):
What country what country would you say no to agun, Eric?
I can.
They make some counterfeit Bushmaster firearmsin The Philippines.
We call them.
Do they really?
They do
But you
know what?
Still, they're getting produced now?
Yeah.
They make them by
hand.
(01:38:57):
Yeah.
That's the Filipinos do that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's like poor poor poor Jigal which thatthat's how they make their money.
I get it.
You know?
I'm not gonna lie.
I would own some of those.
There have been some that come into thecountry.
Like Now I gotta look this up.
Philippines.
There there are some handmade colts and thingslike that that have have somehow gotten into
(01:39:19):
the country.
I would totally own something like that justbecause they're bizarre.
They they
do they do all that same they do all that sameall that same stuff in Pakistan and
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
I kinda that stuff too.
And all
that stuff.
Yeah.
They're they're equal opportunity I watched.
Popular, so
Yeah.
You need to you guys, Bushmaster should do avideo where you, go to The Philippines
(01:39:43):
Bushmaster?
And stand up and look at a guy making aBushmaster thing and go, sir?
Just don't tell him.
Just don't say anything.
You you don't tell him who
you are.
Just go
just go look at him.
Yeah.
And they'll they'll find you strung up in
the bay they'll find you strung up in
the bad out That's what we'll
find out.
I'm
too with them and be, so they can if they canhaul me, sure.
(01:40:05):
The the you get sliced and diced so fast insome of these places, man.
Oh, maybe.
Yeah.
Won't waste no they won't waste no bullets onyou.
They'll pull out their they'll pull out theirknife that they make over there, and slice you
up.
That's what
Yeah.
Yeah.
Have you what kind of what kind of Bushmastershave you seen made like this, Eric?
(01:40:25):
You know, I've in fact, I I don't know if theseones were made in The Philippines, but I've
responded to ATF agents be like, no.
We didn't make that.
I'm pretty sure
that's Interesting.
So this is so this has happened recently?
Yeah.
And I don't wanna divulge too many details
just because I'm there
was an investigation on it.
(01:40:46):
But Right.
Yeah.
Recently, you know, I I I noticed it, and they,you know, kinda matched.
They did a good job on it, to be honest.
But I knew what I manufacture, and, it wasthere's a lot of detail off.
So I was able to tip them and say, hey.
I think you got a counterfeit.
Yeah.
I didn't think there was a big counterfeittrade in guns.
(01:41:08):
Wow.
I know, like, watches and handbags and stufflike
here. That.
That.
There's there's
no big counterfeit trade here in guns.
They don't make it into the country very often?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
Mexico is good at the words.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
They don't make it into The States too often,but Mhmm.
Like oh god.
What was the one I was just thinking?
Oh, no.
I would love
to get my hands on one of those Kyber Passclear Glocks.
(01:41:32):
They're using, like, a clear mold to make a agen Glock 19 or 17.
Super cool.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Look up clear Glock.
It'll come up.
And they're making them be able just like Glock17.
I'm gonna smell what you search.
Okay?
You'll get something else.
Yeah.
That's why I just hit the search.
(01:41:53):
That's why I just hit the They Okay.
They brought some brought some
of the
Pakistani man.
That's why I hit the surge.
Yeah.
Pakistani.
There you go.
There you go.
Look at that.
How cool is that?
Eric, you might be mad, but if I actually sawthis out there, I would
He doesn't know Gluck.
He doesn't care.
(01:42:13):
I got a Gluck on me right now.
That's
right.
Are you guys is Bushmaster ever thinking ofmaking obviously, you know, the the new '20 two
ARC is a pistol, but you ever thought of makingany pistols?
Yeah.
Handguns, you're saying?
Yes.
Handguns.
Yes, sir.
You
know, I think Bushmaster has really excelled inthe a r 15.
(01:42:36):
I mean, that's where our lineage comes from.
But as the the brand grows, you know, keep inmind, we're a new company.
We're the we're a legacy brand, but we've beenoperating for five years now.
It's about four almost six years.
So we're a new company.
So as the the machine keeps on rolling and wegrow and proceed Mhmm.
(01:42:57):
We're going to come out with new products.
Now if one's a
pistol, we'll
we'll have to chew on that for a bit because,again, going back to where AR fifteens.
But, you know, new products, they drive thisindustry.
So I can promise you that we are always gonnabe vigilant in terms of what can we offer that
(01:43:18):
is new and exciting.
Okay.
Alright.
I think, baby Chromie v over there is askingabout when Guns?
Yeah.
When the bush yes.
What, dad?
Let's see the guns.
Guns.
Guns, Chromie.
Where?
My way
to to push faster.
That's what he's saying.
Guns, Chromic.
(01:43:39):
Guns.
Have you on it.
If you don't have one yet, go get you one.
These are these these are guns.
Guns.
Yes.
Guns.
We're making sure he knows all the his firstwords of guns.
There you go.
I see.
See.
Yeah.
What's the first
weapon taking rule?
Are ready to go take a bath?
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Bye.
Yeah.
Bye.
Wave.
Bye.
Bye bye.
Are you guys interested?
No.
I'm just kidding.
Bye bye.
Have you are you and the, and the wife workingon delivering some grandbabies to Jay?
(01:44:52):
What's you know?
Well, we just got married in June.
Okay.
Yeah.
It's
funny you're asking that because my dad, Jay,tells me I give it a year and won't be
expecting.
You know?
Good.
That's right.
Great.
So, yeah, it's it's, we're we're thinking aboutit and planning it as much as we can.
And it's kinda one of those things you just do.
(01:45:12):
But Yeah.
Eventually.
Oh, okay.
Alright.
Alright.
Awesome.
It's the best thing we did.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And that one right there, he's gonna be a gunguy.
He's a well, he's a gun guy already, I'll behonest with you.
Yeah.
Yeah.
He's already working in the shop.
Yeah.
That's well, maybe not that young, but, youknow, as Franklin Armory was being developed, I
(01:45:35):
did a lot of that.
Yeah.
Mhmm.
Like, the axes and stuff.
I wouldn't touch guns.
I just wanna clear.
Sure.
Right.
Sure.
Sure.
That one there, I make
him pick up screws.
And the other day, had him I forgot.
He he wants to come in.
So if I'm working in the shop, he wants to comein and help.
I'll I'll set him up on the workbench.
(01:45:56):
And the other day, had him holding screws.
He's got really good fine motor skills.
So I'll tell him, like, pick up the screw,he'll put it in the hole, and I'll tighten down
whatever we're working on.
But he likes it.
He really enjoys being out in the garage withme.
Nice.
Yeah.
You can't keep him out of anything.
Mhmm.
Yeah.
So That
that was your son.
Right?
Mhmm.
Yep.
Okay.
(01:46:16):
I was gonna say because before, I I was gonnasay good father and son activity.
I didn't wanna say that if it was yourdaughter.
Oh.
No.
No.
It's a son.
That's a that's a little boy.
He's got jet blonde blonde blonde hair.
Oh, I was gonna say that Babyface is actuallybabysitting my kid over there.
That's babyface.
Yeah.
That's Hank's kid.
That little that little blonde blue eyed.
(01:46:36):
The little Aryan the little Aryan boy that
we just showed off was was Hank's
kid.
Yes.
I I'm a tell you, I would be a lot skinnierthan I am right now if I had to deal with him
running around, man.
He is no joke.
My my mom's in town for a couple of days andMhmm.
It takes a lot of stress off letting her helpinstead of me trying to follow through
(01:47:00):
constantly or Marley taking over.
Mhmm.
Yeah.
Well, so I don't know if this is out of boundsfor me to ask, but as the CEO of Bushmaster,
what kinda nice machine guns you guys, youknow, have in the in the old corporate safe
over there.
You
know?
Gotta be some
nice stuff.
(01:47:21):
Yeah.
Kinda like turn my
camera, though, because there's some in there Ican't show the public.
Oh, okay.
Alright.
Alright.
So we're gonna we're gonna see some stuff.
Yeah.
You could turn away for a second for the sakeof us seeing Here.
I'll do good Please.
Yeah.
Give me a second.
Oh, you're gonna actually put you're gonna putsomething on the can
oh, boy.
(01:47:41):
Getting censored.
This is a first for the podcast.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's going into the sink.
One of the full auto, ACRs.
Have you have you had your hands on a on a one?
You need to you need
okay. To get
To get Hold on.
Let me go full let me go full screen.
Hold on one second.
(01:48:02):
Let me switch over here and go full screen.
That way Walter even can get to take a break.
Woah.
Some
so Mhmm.
That that I wanna make sure that's clear.
Yeah.
It's just something I built out.
Actually, I had one of my, armors do it becausethat's that's what you get to do when you're
the boss.
But, this is what happens if we have anintrusion.
(01:48:22):
I have this.
So Mhmm.
And it's a little same thing as kinda what Iwas showing you guys.
Mhmm.
But, you know, a little bit of a combination ofof what Bushmaster has to offer.
Little suppressor integrated handguard.
Is that, is that the Muda two that's in there,or that's a different can?
Okay.
So you got okay.
(01:48:43):
So you got a handguard that can actually fitunder there.
That's cool.
Well, that could fit under Yeah.
Is that a regular handguard that could fitunder?
I don't think so.
This is actually not our handguard.
Mhmm.
But it it worked out with the suppressor, so II kinda did it that way.
Mhmm.
But, you know, the rifle is this is, one of ourmachine guns.
(01:49:04):
Or so sorry.
No.
This is not machine gun.
However, this is, just one of our demo gunsthat I turned into a, office defense gun if I
need
it.
Mhmm.
Okay.
Very cool.
Yeah.
Nothing super special, but it works for thatpurpose.
Alright.
Very nice.
Are you putting the little blue tape back onthere again?
(01:49:24):
Are you gonna show us some more stuff?
Or
right there.
In in my office, unfortunately, I'm limited byspace.
I'd bring a BA 50 in here.
I know we talked about it, but
Right.
Going depth on that.
Mhmm.
But, no, it's a that's a cool rifle too, Ithink.
You guys are just waiting for me to pop an ACRout of that.
Yeah.
I mean, it would be nice.
(01:49:45):
You know?
I mean, you you look like you want to do it,Eric.
You know?
You know, I wish I could, but, it's not
We're not we would never we would never putpeer pressure on you for any reason.
You know?
We're just not those kinds of people that wouldall of a sudden start showing off old school
(01:50:05):
Bushmasters expecting, maybe.
You know?
Oh, Walter's showing up.
Look.
Walter looks like he's I don't even know whatround that is.
You
guys, when when you bought the IP forBushmaster, did you get any data with it?
Like, if I were to give you a serial number,are you able to look when it was manufactured,
(01:50:27):
or is that all gone?
Good question.
Curious because No.
It's a good question.
That's a great question.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So we we collected some data.
My director operations, he is a total, like,geek.
Like, I like guns, but this guy, like, goesengineer geek.
(01:50:48):
And Mhmm.
He collected some data along with, some other,you know, information we were able to
And what's his name and his phone number so wecan call him whenever we need to.
Jesus Christ.
Gents, I'm just asking.
You can give it to us offline.
You know?
You don't have to give it to us right now whilewe're live on air, but, you know, might be a
nice resource.
(01:51:09):
Chris.
Okay.
He's a he's a
great guy.
Mhmm.
He he knew a lot of lot of Bushmaster history.
And, you know, he compiled some information,again, with along with, some other information
you received from, just, you know, ownershipfrom prior owners.
Again, I wasn't in charge this time, so I'm not100% sure.
(01:51:29):
However Mhmm.
We have some information.
So, it's a hit or miss type deal.
We if you have, like, a l, we could probablytell you if it's pre or post band, like this
serial number starting with an l.
Mhmm.
Other information like what we currentlyproduce, and, obviously, we we have that
information.
If you go to I think it's bush so, obviously,bushmaster.com.
(01:51:49):
But if you go to the support help deskfrequently asked questions, serial numbers.
You guys familiar with what with what thecarbon 15
was?
Yeah.
Yeah.
Could be?
Mhmm.
Walt Walt's got one.
Right?
Yeah.
I thought Walt had a carbon 15 somewhere.
Yeah.
(01:52:10):
Because he's because he's hand holding, I thinkhe can't necessarily take I don't know if he
has it over there.
I'm hands free right now, but it's it's it'ssome place I have to dig it out.
So Oh, okay.
Okay.
Yeah.
We get a lot of customers asking questions, youknow, because they pick up an old Bushmaster.
Mhmm.
You know, there's if you can look where it wasmanufactured, that really tells you a a large
(01:52:33):
part of when it was made.
So, like, Alien, New York was from 2011 to02/2014.
Mhmm.
Huntsville, Alabama or sorry.
Might have got there.
Huntsville, Alabama, 2014 to 02/2019.
So, you know, there's certain tidbits ofinformation that would help us kinda figure out
at least a gauge of where and when it wascreated.
(01:52:55):
But, unfortunately, we didn't get data.
Like, hey.
Here's what was manufactured.
It was just Nightpaper, so we just got rightsto the brand.
That's a shame.
All all the
Is she the
All the info on all the info on pre ban stuff'sout on the Internet.
Yeah.
But every now and you get a customer that's
That's that's the cutoff the the cutoff dateson Okay.
(01:53:20):
Go, Walt.
Dates on serial numbers and stuff.
That's all out there on the Internet.
Yeah.
The ACR stuff is is crazy because it'sRemington and Bushmaster at the time didn't
release hardly any.
So, like, nobody in the public at least knowshow many ACRs were actually even produced.
There's only kinda guesses on the Internet,but, like, nobody really knows for sure.
(01:53:42):
Mhmm.
Yeah.
I mean but and it's not a bad idea to make adatabase even though that might exist already
on the Internet.
It's not a bad idea.
I don't know if Bushmaster the new Bushmasterwants to get into all of that.
I don't know what the legal ramifications oranything.
Are you guys doing any kind of repairs forpeople, or are you referring them somewhere
else?
(01:54:04):
Well, you know, if obviously, we warranty ourproduct.
So if there's an issue, which rarely there is,however, human error
is still a
still
a thing.
Mhmm.
We obviously warranty them.
We we definitely can.
I mean, if someone's got a older Bushmasterthat needs work, we're happy to do that for a
fee.
But Mhmm.
We usually try not to touch firearms that wedidn't manufacture for liability reasons.
(01:54:28):
Mhmm.
Yeah.
Okay.
Okay.
Yeah.
I mean, I I guess that side of it is just athing that maybe will be better served by the
community.
I don't know.
But,
push master that's not working correctly?
ChromeVandium arm.
Just send it my way.
I'll get you I'll get you fixed up.
That's what I'm
saying.
Right.
(01:54:48):
Think like Patrick,
you I
have the opportunity like that.
Yes.
That's right.
I have that, like, the this is an interestingone.
I have that, what is it?
The stoner 63 out there made by Robinson Arms.
That's one that's gonna be a huge pain in thebutt, but I'm gonna get it fixed for the guy
eventually.
Mhmm.
(01:55:09):
Yeah.
I think, what about parts?
Is that, like you know, do do you get a lot ofrequests for replacement parts and things like
that?
Or you know?
We do.
And there's some things unfortunately, we justdon't manufacture anymore, so we can't replace.
But, I mean, we we sell parts.
We carry parts.
(01:55:29):
And any mil spec parts, we definitely have.
And magazines are well, that's more of acommodity and not a part.
But, yeah, just your basic AR 15 parts.
We sell kits and and whatnot, and, we alwaystry to help out the customer.
If there's a part that they can't get from us,we try to get them a very solid contact or or
(01:55:53):
maybe gumbroke or something has it.
We find it and send that information their way.
Mhmm.
Yeah.
I mean, I think there's a big I think that'swhy you you see so many, you know, questions
and comments about it because for whateverreason, Bushmaster I don't know.
Maybe Walter understands why.
Because I came I came late into the game.
I came into the game around 2013 2012, 2013ish, but Bushmaster has a name.
(01:56:20):
I mean, it's I don't know if I don't think Iwould've put it above Colt, but it's really
close.
Right?
Bushmaster Bushmaster was as far as Iunderstood it, back in the day, Bushmaster was
the everyday man's AR 15.
Like, if you wanted something, it was eitherBushmaster, DPMS, or Colt was really all you
could get.
(01:56:40):
Olympic.
Olympic, which Olympic was was rough.
Well Yeah.
I don't think I've ever come across an Olympicarms ever.
I have worked I've had worked
on one That's you haven't been around thatlong.
That's why you
I I worked on one, and it was a real turd.
That that one in particular was was of thegeneration when was real shit.
(01:57:01):
It just it just depends.
I mean, I've seen I'll be honest with you.
I've seen old Bushmaster stuff where theanodizing wasn't that great on it.
But that was kind of the what what thing is Imean, old Bushmaster, not not not not Freedom
Group, not not an old old Bushmaster.
Master.
Mhmm.
So, you know, it just it just depends.
You know?
Everybody has a everybody has expectations thateverything older is better Mhmm.
(01:57:26):
Necessarily what still.
Yeah.
Well, I mean
It really it really came down to it like, itreally came down to you either bought a Colt or
you bought one of the other brands, andBushmaster was, like, the top of those other
brands at the time.
Yeah.
The whole reason No.
No.
Nothing Yeah.
Nothing nothing wrong with them.
I mean, I used to get the catalogs and did amail order, all that stuff.
(01:57:47):
You know?
That that thing called mail order, like a likea rotary phone.
Yeah.
You know?
So, Eric, they had that back in the days, theold dudes.
Like, you know, that's we actually used to,like, see things in in the in what they call
the catalogs, and then
you People could actually write people couldactually write their name in person.
(01:58:09):
They could actually write their name
in person.
Yeah.
You actually put money in the mail.
You put it like you put a check a money order.
They could actually fill out they couldactually fill out a check.
Wow.
It's still so I will I will fully say that itbeing so Eric, I'm 36.
I'm a little bit older than you, but not bymuch.
(01:58:30):
The idea of like mailing a check off, and thena couple weeks from
Isn't that weird to you guys?
That has to be weird.
Come on.
Show up.
It is very weird to me.
Like, don't get tracking.
You don't get to know when it's come, what dayit's gonna be here.
It's just like, I hope they got a check, and Ihope it'll show up.
Well, you you know what, though?
(01:58:51):
I mean, you didn't have people stealingeverybody's money.
You didn't have people stealing everybody'sidentity.
You didn't have you didn't have three quartersof scams that go on now back then.
Yeah.
And the the American the American let me justsay this.
The American the US post office used to be goodin the olden days.
(01:59:11):
Made I I made lots.
I can't even tell you how much money I made offof a a three or four line shotgun news ad with
a PO box.
I I you you'd be surprised how much
showed up.
Yeah.
I made probably I've made probably a few$100,000.
So and it was so simple, you know, but now it'sit's it it still is simple, but it's a
(01:59:36):
different type of simple.
I I And, you know, what happens if what whathappens if the interweb goes down?
I had a customer drop off two cigs and a and ahigh power that he wanted some work done on.
And then two days later, I got a text like,hey, man.
I'm gonna be in town this week.
Do you think you're gonna have it ready for me?
And I was but I haven't even opened the boxesyet.
They're still sitting in the safe.
(01:59:56):
I'll let you know if they're ready.
Like
Mhmm.
Every everybody thinks everybody thinkseverybody's Amazon.
You know?
And and and and the real world is not Amazon,to be honest with you.
I mean, it's not.
Yeah.
Eric, when you were in the marines, did theyteach you how to use a thing that people used
to call the telephone?
Did they make you probably had to use youprobably had to use it once or twice.
(02:00:21):
Telephone.
Yes.
No.
No.
No.
It actually had a
cord telephone.
It actually had
a cord
corded telephone.
Yes.
Yeah.
I think I think Okay.
I still have a landline, by the way.
I think my parents still have a landline.
I believe they do.
It never gets answered, but it's like anemergency purpose landline.
(02:00:44):
Mhmm.
We got a ranch in lot landline there too.
Say that again, Eric.
Oh, I'm sorry.
We have a ranch in California, where I was justthere this past weekend doing some deer
hunting.
I'm a lifetime hunter for California.
Mhmm.
And thank god we have a landline because it'sso remote.
Yep.
You don't get cell service, and you're an hourand a half from the nearest hospital.
(02:01:07):
So if something happens and that that's fromthe house.
Mhmm.
And Yeah.
We're usually out in the woods, like, 10 milesdeep.
So
No.
There's still places in America people have tohave old school stuff like that, like a
landline and you know?
Well, there's things called alarms and stufflike that, Hank.
Okay.
Were we were talking today about That's true.
(02:01:27):
That's true?
Yeah.
I Hank, I don't know if you sent this to us ornot, but AOL is is winding down their dial up
service finally.
Really?
Like like, this end of this year or something,the the AOL dial up will be gone forever.
Really?
Wow.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's still
it's still available.
You could
This AOL I I know I know there's still AOLmail.
(02:01:49):
Right?
Or what is it called?
Yeah.
So they they have a website and you can stillget a domain, like an email address from them.
Mhmm.
But there are people who still somewhere inthis country pay for a modem dial up AOL
subscription.
Mhmm.
And they basically telling them like, it'sover.
We're done.
Yeah.
It's done.
It's over.
No more.
Well, actually, I saw this, there's a lot ofthings saying that younger folks I know we're,
(02:02:14):
like, teasing Eric a little bit, but theyounger people are going back to analog.
So, you know, like, my son moved out our olderson moved to California, and he's going back to
analog.
He's been buying CDs and DVDs and stuff likethat.
It's nostalgic.
It's nostalgic.
It's only that.
(02:02:34):
Why didn't
you Here's a big problem with and, Hank, you'veprobably seen this.
The movie comes out, there's a certainsoundtrack or there's certain things, and then
it gets rereleased on a streaming service andthey make changes to it.
And it's not the original content.
Yeah.
And you can't get the original movie that youwanted to see without the modifications unless
you have the DVD.
(02:02:55):
Yeah.
Or he would he said they they completely takeaway certain movies, for example, and
you cannot Yeah.
There's stuff you can't get
What about this scam?
That you buy a movie online.
You don't physically own anything.
You don't own.
You don't physically own a damn thing.
Yep.
And they can remove
any of So what happen what happens if they getrid of all that?
(02:03:16):
Well, oh my god.
My movies are gone.
It's like you physically don't own anything.
You know?
It's like
Yeah.
I think, Eric, you were trying to saysomething.
What were you saying, Eric?
Oh, I was gonna say, you know, might be,highlighting Walt a little bit here, but, you
know, they had records back in the day.
We still have a record player, and people buythem.
Yeah.
(02:03:36):
So there is a nostalgic sense to it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
In Walter in Walter's time, they had, like, aspecial bird that came down on the record
player, you know, as it was going around.
It put its beak on the
Always always always the wise ass.
He was a small jab.
He poked you, man.
(02:03:57):
I you know, one thing I've noticed one thingI've noticed with all the plastic pistols,
polymer, whatever you wanna call it, there'sbeen a I think there's been a resurgence in in
interest in a completely metal gun.
Oh, I love them.
I I I think a lot of a a lot of younglings alot of younger folks never before you know,
(02:04:18):
they they never touched a whole metal gun.
It's always been like a Glock or something likethat.
Yeah.
You got ten seconds.
You get get your hands on a Smith and Wesson,it's, like, sixty nine zero six and it's all
metal, it's like it's like, oh my god.
The lights come on.
Boom.
Mhmm.
Yeah.
Yeah.
The I worked on the other day, I worked on afifty nine zero four for a customer, and it's
(02:04:40):
just like, this thing feels really good in thehand.
I don't I don't own one, and maybe I shouldpick one up.
Yeah.
Yeah.
What?
Real quick.
We were talking about the carbon 15.
And, Walt, it sounds like, Walt, you own one ortwo?
I have one.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I don't know if anyone's told you don't cleanit with again, not manufactured by us prior
(02:05:02):
Bushmaster, but, keep oil away from it becauseit will just get or like a solve sorry.
Wrong way.
Keep, like, a solvent away from it because theoil in the plastic gets absorbed by it, and it
makes it brittle.
Oh, really?
Okay.
So, like
No hoppies don't use hoppies number nine
it.
Yeah.
I was thinking oil the other way.
(02:05:23):
No.
It gets absorbed by the plastic or the polymerrather and makes it brittle and it breaks,
obviously.
But Oh, really?
It works.
No.
No.
Had had heard that.
Hadn't heard that.
Okay.
Walt Walt got his from a from what?
Century u fix them for, like, nothing at all?
Yeah.
Well, it was, like, 3 something, and I said,damn.
(02:05:44):
A a carbon 15 for 300 and something bucks?
So I remember back in the day when those gunscame out, they were expensive.
There was nothing cheap about them.
And and so I picked it up, and I I had to do alittle messing with it, but thing runs great.
If you like if you like the seven inch barrel,they are.
You know?
It's Yeah.
Weird stuff.
(02:06:04):
Yeah.
I think it looks good.
Oh, no.
It's it's fun to shoot.
It's just it's just, you know, it's just it'sjust brutal.
I like Mhmm.
Each gun has a purpose.
Yes.
Yeah.
And that was the per the purpose of the carbon15 pistol was to beat the ban.
That's what the purpose of the carbon 15 pistolwas.
(02:06:26):
Yeah.
Mhmm.
And they did it.
So Yeah.
Listen.
I think
somewhere here.
Yeah.
You're you're good.
I you know, we definitely hit the 09:00 hour.
I think we harassed Eric for this entire time.
I had a good time.
I had a good time.
I hope you did, Eric.
Oh, look what I found.
Oh.
It it really Oh, boy.
(02:06:50):
Hang on a second.
I gotta pick this thing up for this.
Yeah.
Hold on.
Walt's finger, really.
Walt's showing off the Walt's showing off thegun.
If I can go the right way.
Because this
is ass backwards with his phone.
Here we go.
Yeah.
There you go.
There you go.
Yeah.
So I had to put my own buffer tube on the backthat we make, but aside from that, it's all
(02:07:13):
it's all a band gun.
So yep.
Yeah.
Yep.
Basically, it looks a lot like a bones gun,like what they used to call bones, you know,
stripped down, which is cool.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
Well, because no.
The weirdest thing, during the ban, youcouldn't have a handguard on a gun this small.
You couldn't have a handguard on an AR pistolbecause it was too scary.
(02:07:36):
So they just left it off.
And the and the muzzle brake doesn't havethreads.
It attaches like an air tool.
Yeah.
With the with the the the fitting, you push acertain way and it pops off.
So, you know, every every time they throw anobstacle up, somebody comes up with a better
idea.
So.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Carbon 15.
Now did did we ask did we ask Eric when,Bushmaster is making carbon fifteens again?
(02:07:59):
Just for the for the just to be official on therecord.
Gosh.
I wanna say some stuff, but I can't.
It's it's all good, man.
You know, we've thought about it.
Okay?
And it's it's an interesting project.
And and that's all I can say.
You know, we're not gonna tease too much, andwe're gonna make sure we got our products,
(02:08:22):
working and and and everything squared awaybefore we let the world know.
So
Yeah.
But we're working on stuff, and that'simportant.
So if I can leave the viewers with anything,it's that.
Yeah.
I think you guys are being responsible with it.
I understand that.
I would rather see Bushmaster as a namecontinue to exist in the world.
And then, you know, even if it takes time forus to get some of those cool thing or if we
(02:08:45):
never get them.
If we never get them, you had them at onepoint, and you can always collect and enjoy and
treasure those, but, you know, yeah, that'sjust the way of life.
But I think you've been very fair, and I knowI've had a good time hanging out with you here.
I hope you'll, like, come back on and hang outwith the folks or show us things as things you
(02:09:07):
know, as new things come out and all that kindof stuff.
Maybe even, you know, if you get a chance, comedown to, jolly old Florida over here, do some
shooting with us.
You know?
I don't know if we can all come up to Nevada.
Nevada.
You know?
But, if I could arrange it, I would do it justso we can get into your safe and shoot some
(02:09:28):
machine guns.
You know?
But
Yeah.
Well, if you're from the area, we'll have tofacilitate it.
And, likewise, I appreciate the invite downthere.
Yeah.
Absolutely.
So here's what I'm gonna do.
One, I wanna thank the audience for hanging outwith us.
If you guys have questions and all that kind ofstuff, you know, I'll I'll get from Eric how
you can reach out and communicate with them, aswell as we're we're gonna get that here from
(02:09:51):
Walter and Patrick also.
So just let me know, but big thanks foreveryone for for hanging out here with us.
Don't forget, we do have the video on the 22ARC pistol from Bushmaster.
It's on YouTube.
It got turned on around, like, 01:30, I think,this afternoon, so you guys can go check it
(02:10:11):
out.
We had a good time shooting it.
Some good info in there, I think.
So let me start with, I'll I'll come to youlast, Eric.
I'll start with actually Patrick so far asletting the folks know how to follow you and
all that kind of stuff.
Chrome, Vandium Arms, if you are looking to getsome work done, we are backed up a little bit.
(02:10:34):
It is getting busy, but, I can always make roomfor any more projects you got.
Send them my way.
Give me an email or a call.
We are full on Cerakoading now.
Picked up a new oven over the weekend, so weare we are taking on cerakote projects.
Beyond that, baby face p on YouTube, babyunderscore face p on Instagram.
I do have a Stenmark five that's gonna getworked on here soon.
(02:10:58):
I just don't know when.
We're going on vacation next week, so I don'tknow if when we get started.
I'll probably start it on that.
Yeah.
And that, by the way, that, cerakoating ovenwas officially delivered by electrons through a
Cybertruck.
Worked great.
That was good.
Yeah.
Okay.
Walt?
Yes.
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Safety of our Firearms, Facebook, Instagram,YouTube, the good old fashioned telephone.
If you look on the website, there's a telephonenumber.
Don't be scared of telephone.
You get a lot of things done a lot faster witha telephone.
A lot faster.
Yeah.
And a very real person to.
Yeah.
Very real person will answer that phone.
Yeah.
Don't don't get mad if you write me a threeparagraph thing and I answer yes and no.
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Yeah.
I don't have time for all of it all
day long.
Mhmm.
And then there's Sten Parts, stenparts.com, thewebsite.
And once again, telephone order is the best wayto do it.
One of the best ways.
And then there's different racing.
I do mini bikes too, Eric, like off road typemini bikes.
So there's different racing, and I've beenputting some new content up there, getting
ready to get my one of my bikes back up allcompletely finished, and then I'm gonna be
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selling some mini bikes if anybody's lookingfor something.
So, anyways, that's it.
Very cool.
I think Eric was probably riding bikes beforehe could probably walk knowing the family he
grew up in.
I was doing flat track at three years old.
Yeah.
There you go.
Oh, wow.
Alright.
That's easy.
Mini Motto.
Mini Super Mottoes.
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I I Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah.
We race Mini Super Mottoes.
Sorry.
I'm getting delayed.
I keep talking over you.
But
That's alright.
Super Mottoes.
So cool.
Very cool.
Like I said, man, it was it was great havingyou here.
I forgot to ask you about, like, you know, ifyou guys are working on some, Bushmaster
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apparel and paraphernalia, stuff like Yeah.
Some swag, you know, some Bushmaster magazines,all that kind of stuff.
Maybe we'll you know, if you we probably don'thave a lot of time to get into that, but, you
know, maybe next time when you come on, we'llget into it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And, you know, I'd just like to say thank youvery much for the opportunity to come on, and
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it's been awesome and a lot of fun.
If I can tell your viewers where to check usout, so we're at, bushmaster.com, Instagram,
YouTube, Facebook, all that.
So, again, like, Walt said, if you guys, pickup a phone, we'll we'll pick up, and it's not a
not a robot or AI.
So, yeah, check us out, and, love to hear whatyou'd like to see next from Bushmaster.
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Awesome.
Awesome.
Alright.
Thanks, everyone.
Eric, stay right there.
Let me go through ending this right now.
We'll see you guys next Monday.
Big thanks to everyone for hanging out with us.
We're out of here.
See you.
Peace.
Let me hit the