With Love And Justice For All

With Love And Justice For All

As founders of project_SANCTUS, Rev. Kelly Isola and Rev. Ogun Holder are committed to creating a safe, brave, online space to be our holiest selves together. This includes addressing the one thing that affects all of us, that has been responsible for much of the pain, inequality, and injustice in our country: systemic racism. On WITH LOVE AND JUSTICE FOR ALL Kelly and Ogun have conversations around embodied antiracism, dismantling oppression, fostering liberation, and the special challenges that arise for spiritual seekers. Join them in this challenging spiritual work of healing and transformation, and create a world of love, justice and liberation. Learn more at projectsanctus.com

Episodes

October 14, 2025 62 mins

The church has many faces: sanctuary, prophet, enabler, revolutionary. Rev Kelly and Rev Ogun discuss the ways church is, and should be, showing up for today. Rev Kelly also reflects on moderating a discussion with John Pavlovitz, a former youth pastor and author, known for his social and political writings from a liberal Christian perspective. 

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By calling God "Love" are we misunderstanding a spiritual principle and using it as an excuse to spiritually bypass? Rev Kelly and Rev Ogun discuss how the spiritual principle of LOVE is too often conflated with the comfort of emotional love, and why it leads to silence and inaction.

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** SAVE THE DATES ** Our final book club selection of the year SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND HATE by John Fugelsang will take place via Zoom on Th...

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September 23, 2025 56 mins

Revs Kelly & Ogun break down why, if you're a movement for love and inclusion, it's not a good idea to learn strategies from hate organizations.

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The Body Is Not An Apology offers radical self-love as the balm to heal the wounds inflicted by these violent systems. World-renowned activist and poet Sonya Renee Taylor invites us to reconnect with the radical origins of our minds and bodies and celebrate our collective, endurin...

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September 16, 2025 67 mins

Revs Kelly & Ogun discuss Charlie Kirk's murder, various reactions to it, and the struggle spiritual seekers are having as they try to live in the tension between empathy for a gun violence victim who also happened to be a vile bigot.

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So much has happened in the last few days, and there aren't many safe spaces to process. If there was ever a week to participate in an Antiracism Affinity Group, THIS IS THE WEEK! Join o...

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August 28, 2025 56 mins

In a recent interview, Democrat Rep Jamie Raskin challenged listeners to compare the Bill of Rights with the 10 Commandments. Rev Kelly accepted. 

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If your body holds the wound, it also holds the way through. WHAT IT TAKES TO HEAL: HOW TRANSFORMING OURSELVES CAN CHANGE THE WORLD isn’t a self-help book. It’s a call to reclaim your who...

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August 5, 2025 51 mins

Revs Kelly & Ogun explore the importance of rituals in justice work, and give a preview of their upcoming learning pod. 

Discover more about project_SANCTUS and make a donation at https://projectsanctus.com/

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If your body holds the wound, it also holds the way through. WHAT IT TAKES TO HEAL: HOW TRANSFORMING OURSELVES CAN CHANGE THE WORLD isn’t a self-help book. It’s a call to reclaim your wholeness in a broken world.

Joi...

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July 22, 2025 72 mins

Rev Kelly and Rev Ogun share their thoughts about the Mehdi Hasan vs 20 Far-Right Conservatives debate, why some our clergy still struggle with addressing current issues directly, and how playing to both sides is not in alignment with our spiritual principles.

To learn more about project_SANTCUS, our upcoming events, and to make a donation visit projectsanctus.com

Join our free book club discussion on The Right to Sex: Feminism in ...

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Many of us are grieving the state of the world, our unrealized liberation dreams, and the justice work we did over the years. Rev Kelly & Rev Ogun talk about navigating this grief, and share rituals that can help us along the way.

To learn more about project_SANTCUS and to make a donation visit projectsanctus.com

Join our free book club discussion on The Right to Sex: Feminism in the Twenty-First Century by Amia Srinivasan. Thu...

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July 8, 2025 55 mins

Rev. Kelly and Rev. Ogun discuss the relationship many spiritual seekers have with the word and idea of resistance, as well as the complexities of making a decision to flee the country in the face of oppression. 

To learn more about project_SANTCUS and to make a donation visit projectsanctus.com

Join our free book club discussion on The Right to Sex: Feminism in the Twenty-First Century by Amia Srinivasan. Thur, Jul 27, 7:30pm ET o...

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July 1, 2025 58 mins

Rev Kelly & Rev Ogun return for a 5th season with a recap of their time off and inspiration for the work ahead in these dark times.

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May 1, 2025 51 mins

Recording on May 1st (International Workers Day) Revs Kelly & Ogun draw parallels between celebrating the struggles and rights of laborers and the Gaelic spring pagan festival of Beltane.

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April 24, 2025 46 mins

Revs Kelly & Ogun talk about the death of Pope Francis, his papacy, and how we might be more religious than we think.

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Revs Kelly & Ogun view the Easter story and Jesus' life from a paradigm of revolution against Empire. 

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April 8, 2025 65 mins

Rev Kelly recounts her "Hands Off!" demonstration experience and discusses with Rev Ogun how our paradigm of freedom determines our attitude and action around justice.

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Revs Kelly & Ogun continue their discussion about lent with a focus on joy, justice, reinvention, and finding comfort in unmade plans.

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As we explore what Lent means for us today, we discuss loss, grief, and lamenting as a healing spiritual practice.

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March 5, 2025 47 mins

Revs Kelly and Ogun explore the potentially debilitating impact of shame, while also acknowledging that it may serve a useful purpose in justice work.

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February 19, 2025 49 mins

Revs Kelly & Ogun talk about prophetic spirituality as a path to clarity of conviction and commitment to justice.

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February 11, 2025 51 mins

Our unconscious beliefs and practices shape our language, and that language shapes our communities. Language matters, who we listen to matters, deepening our awareness of the ways we are tangled in systems of oppression such as racism, sexism, white supremacy, patriarchy, and capitalism matters.

On this episode Revs Kelly & Ogun take a look at contemplative practices that can help us see more clearly and cultivate our commitmen...

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Revs Kelly & Ogun talk about the challenges of cultivating belonging without othering those who would seek to inflict harm and death through isolationist policies.

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Sign up for our zoon book club discussion of BELONGING WITHOUT OTHERING on Feb 27, 7:30pm ET at projectsanctus.com/846-book-club

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