Blake Fischer - The Homeless Conservative - World Ablaze with George Fontes

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Bush. All right, welcome back around to Blaze's audience today.
I have Blake Fish with me. He's homeless. It's sterrifically
homeless anyway, metaphorically. Yeah, also the Homeless Conservative podcast. And
from what I can tell, from what I can find,

(00:21):
you've been at this for is it two years or
is a little longer?

Speaker 2 (00:24):
A little longer, but basically two years? Yeah, I started
a couple summers ago.

Speaker 1 (00:28):
Okay. I was wondering about that because when I was
listening to your show and looking at kind of what
you're doing, we're a little similar, except I use a
lot more colorful language than you do. From what I notice, Yeah,
you're a lot more reserved than I am when it
comes to that.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
It's because I know my mom listens, and I know
she'll get onto me if I know. I mean, it's
also just sort of my personality. I guess I mostly
curse at myself in real life, not at other people.

Speaker 1 (00:53):
I hear you, Why don't you explain? Because the reason
I want you to explain why you conser yourself homeless
because I believe, uh, where you're at right now represents
a lot of America. To be quite honest, I feel
I feel like a lot of people don't believe they're
necessarily like right or left. Necessarily they have like a
leaning right, maybe a proclivity towards certain beliefs or certain

(01:15):
ways of living, but not necessarily like all the way
over the fence anymore. And then that's kind of my take.
I wonder what led you to where you're at now?
It will?

Speaker 2 (01:25):
I mean, so, I've been interested in politics for a
really long time. I would say I'm a political junkie,
and I have been for much longer than normal people are.
And I do it, and I'm I would not suggest
most people pay as close attention as I do. I
don't think it would actually be healthy if everyone did.
I don't think everyone needs to. And so it's not

(01:47):
especially if you, especially if you don't like put some
guardrails up to like things that I'm not going to
read because they're just going to make me furious all
the time.

Speaker 1 (01:55):
Stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:55):
So, you know, I've always been interested in stuff, but
I've always been really interested in the ideas and principles.
And I spent my teens and twenties, you know, arguing
with friends, and I spent my twenties in a band.
So pre iPhone, you had a lot of time to
just like be in the car talking with people. Right,
So I had these kind of discussions with friends all
the time that I disagreed with. It was never not

(02:19):
civil like. It was always like I was a friends
a musician. Most of my friends are more liberal than
I am. Just the nature of that, right, the arts
and stuff. I live in Oklahoma, the reddest state in
the country. If you're looking at like the last three
elections have been every single county went Republican. So there's
not much, you know, that's very much. You are in

(02:41):
one of those two worlds, and there is maybe less
of the middle thing you were talking about as far
as the nuance there. But the point is I can
have these conversations with anyone. And then I felt like
Donald Trump came along, and he's he's a symptom of
the problem, but not sort of escalated under him to
where the Republican Party specifically stopped being about ideas and

(03:03):
it started being about whatever he said and that might
change day to day, and we were abandoning things that
I really cared about, like I think the Constitution is
the thing that matters, and if it's not that way
in the Constitution and we're doing it a different way
and it's not working.

Speaker 1 (03:19):
Well.

Speaker 2 (03:19):
It's like, well, maybe we should do it the way
that the Constitution says we'd do it. And so I
don't like the executive branch getting more and more powerful
all the time, and the parties just conceding that power
to them from Congress, which is supposed to be the
more powerful branch. Like by every they're not co equal,
Like Congress has way more powers written in the Constitution
than either of the other branches, and they just like

(03:42):
over decades and decades, I mean really it's going back
one hundred years, they've just slowly capitulated that. And I
felt like it really ramped up with Trump specifically, and
I could just see the writing on the walls of like,
this does not end well, because all this does is
give someone else permission to do the bad thing, and
then because they do the bad thing, Replicans come back
and go, well, Biden did the bad thing, and so

(04:03):
it just keeps getting worse and worse and worse. And
at the same time that that was happening, where I
was just worried about some of the procedural and institutional
things that were going on under Trump, that I could
be like, even if I agree with him on the
principle here that we're talking about, like I would be like,
for example, I would say, I am not in this,

(04:26):
I'm not really in the middle. I'm very conservative. But
that definition is changed completely, Like now the definition of
conservative is do you are you maga?

Speaker 1 (04:38):
Are?

Speaker 2 (04:39):
Do you support every single thing that Trump says, even
if it's different than the thing you said yesterday. Conservative
is saying I think the Constitution matters, and I think
that the institutions do matter, and I do think that
we're blowing all this up for no reason. And that
just became out of like I did not. I'm still
a Republican. I've not left the Republican Party, but the
Republican Party doesn't want anything to do with me. I mean,

(05:01):
I'm told all the time I get more hate from
Republicans than I do from Democrats.

Speaker 1 (05:05):
Because they.

Speaker 2 (05:09):
Just see the disloyalty and say, well, that's it, that's
what being a conservative means now, And I just go,
I don't think that's true, and I don't think that
should be how we think of politics at all. I
do not like cult of personality stuff and that's what
politics has completely become. And then, like I said, this
is not solely a Trump issue. I had massive problems

(05:30):
with the Democrats idolized and made Obama a sort of
messiah figure within their party, and the country kind of
went crazy for some of that stuff. That just was
he got a Nobel Peace Prize without doing anything. There
was some weird messianic stuff going on with Obama too.
This is not a just a Trump problem. It's just

(05:51):
that I am more comfortable saying I'm going to call
up my side because I think there's plenty of stuff
going on the reason I started the podcast. Plenty of
stuff where I is calling out the left. And if
you turned on well I did this one time. I
loved late night television as kids stuff. I love Letterman,
I love Craig First and several of them, but I

(06:14):
hadn't watched it a long time. It's just not that
interesting to me. And as much as I like politics,
I don't want my entertainment at night to be all
about politics. And that's what all the shows had come about.
But when Greg Gupfield took over, like he was winning
the ratings in the late night War on Fox News
and I never watched the show, and I was just like, oh,
I'm kind of interested in seeing that's interesting, right, It's
at least interesting that more people are watching that on

(06:36):
cable than they're watching the CBS late show that's been
there for thirty years. And all these kind of staples,
and Wilbert's show and his on the same night, you
would not have known that the same things that they
would not You could not tell they were recorded the
same day because this is during the Biden minister and
you could tell, like Colbert's about Democrats Biden, even though

(06:59):
some of it's so plainly easy to make the joke about,
and you're supposed to be a comedy show. Same thing
on the other thing, nothing bad about Trump, nothing bad
about MAGA, nothing bad about Republicans. And I just was like,
this is not good for America. This is not good
for Americans. It's not good for an informed citizenry. And
I feel better about being like, look, I am full

(07:20):
on most of the issues. If we actually sat down
and said, like, how do you feel about picket free
markets or you know, free speech or you know, pick
your thing, gun rights, whatever the thing is, we probably
agree on those things, except that most Republicans have abandoned
those things. They're loyal to Donald Trump, and especially the
leaders in the Republican Party have done that.

Speaker 1 (07:41):
Because they have to.

Speaker 2 (07:43):
They're bullied, they're threatened, and I just it really bothers
me when people pretend to believe something that they don't.
I think there's nothing worse than that, and in politics,
it's just not necessary. And so I wanted to start
this thing be like, hey, I think there's a lot
of people that I agree. I think there's a lot
of people that feel the same way as I do.
Probably they feel like neither party really defines them. Well, well,

(08:07):
because those parties have demanded and the Democrats do this too,
where they've demanded you have to be with us on
book boop and then there's a big long list of
things that you have to agree with them on. And
so there are no pro life Democrats anymore, there are
no pro choice Republicans anymore, there are no Secondmendment Democrats. Guys,

(08:28):
Republican you know, it's like, you pick those big issues
that we've been fighting about for a long time, but
it's gotten even more am minuition than that. Every single
thing that happens every day becomes are you pro this
or against it? It's my least favorite question, are you
pro Israeli into it? I'm like, you can't boil down
a giant geog like geopolitical situation into are you for
it or you against it? Because it's turning versus them,

(08:49):
It's turning everything into they are evil, they are the
bad guys, And I'm just like, that is not the
way to do politics. I can call out bad ideas.
I think we're supposed to keep politicisians in check no
matter which party they're from, Like, we are the people
to hire and fire them. This is not Oh, they're
on my team and therefore I defend their actions and

(09:11):
I attack the other guy. But that's what politics has
become for almost everyone else. I do think most of
those people in the middle checked oubt entirely, and they're
not paying any attention because it's exhausting and because it
is really gross. I mean, like most people don't want
to pay to it because I can see why you
would just be like, this is gross. Why would I

(09:32):
want to lie? So I'm trying to do something that
is reasonable and brings facts that told us the other
thing that's missing in today's confidence is like, if we
can't agree on the basic facts first, then it's going
to be really hard for us to move forward. And
I just believe that we can have polack conversations with
people where we disagree and still be friendly at the end.

Speaker 1 (09:52):
Gotcha. Okay, it's a.

Speaker 2 (09:54):
Long winded way to say where I got here. I'm
just I'm this last couple of weeks specifically has been
like really overwhelming for me as far as some of
the gross behavior.

Speaker 1 (10:03):
Oh, I guess I'm gonna pause for a second because
we're having a lot of dropouts with you coming in
for some reason, I got a lot of audio, so
I'm just past for a second that we're going to
go right back. Okay, right, So, uh, before I had
to tighten up a few things, you were talking about
how gross everything has been lately, and I I still

(10:24):
after everything you said, though, I still believe that you're
you're representing more of how people feel now because with
everything's happened. You're right, like, the Conservative Party is not
so much the Conservative Party that we know. It's it's
really become the you know, it's almost like you have
to be a cheerleader for the team. Is the way
I see it, and no matter what, you got to
go for your team like it's it. And that's the

(10:46):
same on both sides. By the way I see that,
no matter what, you just got to back them, and
we're trying to push them over the line to gain points.
And it's just it's become so petty and more about
who gets the win rather than who's really representing the
people I believe, And that's what I've been seeing as
far as events go, I mean, are are we are
we pointing towards like for example, everybody knows the whole

(11:08):
thing happened with Charlie Kirk horrible. As much as much
as that was horrendous, what I'm in is my opinion,
what I find horrendous is House becomes so politicized. You know,
he was a podcaster that challenged narratives, whether he believed
and what he said or agree with him regardless. He
was just kind of doing what you and I do
on our shows. We're just trying to get people to

(11:29):
talk and think about things. And there was no there
was no need for that, but you know, I saw
kind of what was going on. I didn't watch it
because I didn't want to I just felt by then
I was kind of checked out with everything going on
with his memorial, I mean, ten hours long. It was
it was a service, it was a sermon, it was
a Christian concert, and then there was a there was
a little bit of remembrance, and then it looked like

(11:50):
a WWE event. So I feel sorry for Erica by
the way, because I don't. I don't. I think she
really wanted to honor her husband, but it looked like
it got turned into something a little bit more. Yeah,
but it did bring people together, whether good or bad,
whoever you want to look at it. I'm sure most
Democrats look at it as bad. But what is your
thoughts on how that is affecting us moving forward? Because

(12:12):
I'm sure that's a big part of it. Of course
we get to deal politics letter because that's kind of
like my thing. I love. Oh, I've talked about that
stuff for sure. You know.

Speaker 2 (12:20):
The what's interesting about Charlie Kirk is that, like I didn't.
First of all, I'm not in the demographic. I'm forty two.
He's talking to college kids, so I'm not supposed to
be probably watching Charlie Kirk all the time. It's just,
you know, there are demographics here. It is it is
a money thing. You know, there are people that you
know then they know their audience, and to some degree

(12:43):
that's okay. To some degree, it's good to know, Like
my audience is you know, conservatives in Middle America or
it's you know, like that's fine. Like now, I think
too often in politics we've gotten into this audience capture
kind of thing where Fox News can't say it like
they're already dwindling viewership because the cable news is just
getting older and older and older. And to a degree,

(13:06):
like Stephen Colbert has the same problem, Jimmy Kimmel has
the same problem. Like they're like the I think Colbert's
average age was like sixty two the average, which means
all those people are dying. And like your audience is
just slowly disappearing, and so I get that, like you're
desperate to keep it and stuff, and what you end
up doing is compromising what you believe and you say
things you don't believe to keep the audience around. I

(13:28):
see this happening with the conspiracies that go on on
the left and the right all the time. It's like
once that's the audience that encourages you with the racism
that goes on on both sides. Like it's like once you,
once you sort of like get a taste of that,
your audience is not willing to have anything else. And
so to me, there's just so much of that that's

(13:49):
been going on specifically over the last ten years, like
really bad. You've got people that ten years ago, I'd
say I agree with like a lot of stuff. I
think they write great stuff. I think they say great stuff.
Tucker Carlson is a smart guy. I know he is,
and yet it's UNRECOGNI his Tucker Carlson today is unrecognizable
from twenty years ago. Yes, yes, in principle, in ideals,

(14:11):
in everything, and I only can look at that and go,
that's for money, Like there's just I don't believe anything
else other than this for money. Jade Vance has been
four different people in the eight years we've known of him.
You know, it's like which people are, like, do you
like jd Vance? I'm like, which version of jd Vance?
I don't know. We've had four different versions in eight years,
and so I don't trust that when people are not consistent.

(14:34):
And so going back to the like the Troy kirk
thing is like, he's not someone that I loved, Like,
I didn't like some of his style. I thought he
had given up some of his principles that he believed
in ten years ago to jump on the populis bandwagon
that had become the Republican Party and to make more
money and to have more influence. And you know what,
this is not me trying to like say he did

(14:55):
like he still did amazing things. He went out there
and talked to people who disagreed with him, which most
people are not willing to do. Frankly, like most people
are scared to death of actually having a half scared
a confrontation. They're scared of confrontation. They're scared that they
don't The truth is most people are not well informed
enough to really be spouting the things that they are
on the internet, be it professionally or otherwise, and they

(15:18):
know that if they actually had to talk to someone.
And I run into this more with liberals than I
do with conservatives, because the entire culture, for my entire life,
I'm inundated with the culture of the left. It's in Hollywood,
it's in TV, it's in movies, it's in every magazine
it's in most of the media. It's like there's that
bias that's there, and it's been there my whole life,
and so I know how to deal with it. But

(15:39):
I'll talk to a progressive that literally has never talked
to another conservative in their life. They've never heard the argument,
they've never considered it, and they don't even know the
basic facts. Like I literally had a friend that once
I thought you could just walk into Walmart and buy
a gun. I was like, no, you have to pass
a background check. He did not know you had to
pass a background check, And I was like, well, I

(16:00):
can see why you'd be upset about that, but it's
your fault that you didn't know that, you know what
I mean, Like I have the access to the same
information you do. We all have the Internet. It's made
us all dumber somehow, even though we have access to
all the information in the world. So when it came
to the Charlie Kirk assassination, the first thing, I mean,
I've been I've been sounding alarm bells for the entire

(16:21):
time I've had this podcast and even before that with
friends and stuff that this is escalating, like it's it's
getting worse and worse and worse in the sense that
you know, rattle off all the near assassinations that we
had that were we called assassination attempts, and we had.
It just came out this week that the guy that
was outside Brett Kavanaugh's house had a plan to assassinate

(16:42):
three of the justices. We obviously had like someone breaking
the Nancy Pelosi's house and attack Paul Pelosi with a hammer.
We had January sixth. We have Black Lives Matter riots,
we have the Minnesota lawmakers that were targeted for assassination.
We had like just like thing after things, and most
of them, fortunately were unsuccessful. The Minnesota ones were successful

(17:03):
asassination at tempts because their state lawmakers. I don't think
they had the impact. And that was on a holiday
weekend or something too, I think it was July fourth
or something, so I think it kind of got.

Speaker 1 (17:12):
They unfortunately weren't a world renowned name, so people kind
of like they recognized them, but unfortunately they didn't get
the attention they deserved.

Speaker 2 (17:20):
It kind of got swept up in a news cycle,
which is unfortunate, and it seemed more like and here's
the other thing, is that for the most part, I mean,
Joshapiro's house gets fire bombed on passover, like what is
clearly an anti Semitic attack, and we just, like what
seems like happened with everyone every time we missed, like
dodged the bullet, you know, metaphorically and actually in Donald

(17:44):
Trump's case, you know, I feel like it gave people
an excuse to feel like it wasn't that big of
a deal that it almost happened and so and then
also it gave a permission that said, first of all,
no one ever claimed any responsibility when it was their
side that did it. And what I kept saying over
and over again is like every time one of those
things happened, I was like, this is an opportunity for that,

(18:08):
you know, if if the violence came from the left,
for the leaders on the left to say, you know what,
we've probably contributed to this by me calling Donald Trump
the worst threat to the you know, like calling him
fascists or calling a hitler, or maybe Joe Biden should
have looked in the mirror and said and come out
and on public and said, you know what. In twenty twelve,

(18:29):
I told a group of black people that Mitt Romney
was going to put them back in chains if he
got elected and that was wrong.

Speaker 1 (18:35):
He said a lot of things in his career, He.

Speaker 2 (18:36):
Said a lot of things right and like and Donald Trump, obviously,
I thought maybe we could get a change of heart
from him when he almost gets assassinated, to be like,
maybe I've been contributing to some of this rhetoric true,
and yet every single time it happened, we got zero
remorse from the side that should claim some responsibility. And
this is not me trying to say that the left

(18:57):
is responsible for when a single crazy person and tries
to kill someone on the right. However, those people are
absolutely influenced by the rhetoric that happens all the time.
And when you tell people over and over again that
they have no agency at all to control anything. So
elections don't matter because they're stolen. We don't even admit

(19:18):
we lose anymore. We just say the other side stole
the election. So we're adding distrust to the election the
electoral system, and Democrats and Republicans have both done that.
It goes all the way back to George W. Bush
where Democrats doing it. And then Hillary Clinton calls Donald
Trump an illegitimate president in twenty sixteen, she kind of
does some of that stuff. Donald Trump takes it to
another level in twenty twenty for sure, And so, okay,

(19:41):
elections can't be trusted. Your politicians can't be trusted Republicans,
you know, if you're a Democrats, like, well, the Supreme
Court is like corrupt. They're in the tank for Donald Trump. Well,
so you tell people every single way of your civic duty,
you can't do anything about it because it's all controlled,
or like, let's really go to the real the thing
that's happening on the right and the left now everything

(20:02):
is the Jews, Like everything is blamed on like the
Jews are in nefarious control of everything now, and so
what do you think is going to happen? Some people
are going to go the only option I have is
to use violence to stop that from happening. And most
of the time they're disturbed. Like the Paul Pelosi attack,

(20:22):
that guy's disturbed. The Congressional baseball shooting is a little
bit of that. The Gabby Gifford one is definitely like
that guy is insane. He thought Grammar was controlling his
mind or something. These are people that are susceptible to
the violent kind of stuff, and I have some real
I have some theories about most of the problems with
the kind of violence like that. But then Charlie Kirk

(20:43):
comes along and it's like that guy was not crazy.
I'm not seeing any indication that he was not in
his right mind. He absolutely was influenced by the left
ideology then, and yet the left still can't own it.
They're trying to pretend this guy's maga or something. And
I just go, there's not been a more clear cut
case of someone like we've got the text messages he said,

(21:05):
I'm doing this because some some hate you just.

Speaker 1 (21:08):
Can't negotiate with.

Speaker 2 (21:10):
And and then you look at poles on like what
are our feelings on free speech? And most people think
that the First Amendment goes too far in protecting free
speech and and and like, yeah, you're gonna get violence.
And what I hoped was maybe this will finally wake
people up, because I don't I'm expecting the word attempt
after assassination, and yet this time it was just assassination.

(21:31):
Like he's dead.

Speaker 1 (21:33):
We hope, okay, we hope to wake people up, and
we and we also hoped it would unite people, but
it literally didn't. It just drove the divide, you know,
even wider. The wedge was much much greater now. So
I was I was hoping that regardless of party, people
could look at this and say, holy shit, like what

(21:54):
just happened. That's not what happened. Everybody got more fanatical.
And look what you just spoke about. It is what
I've been talking about for quite some time as well.
I don't think this is a mistake. You know, these messages,
this rhetoric is very intentional. It's absolutely psychological conditioning, period,
no matter how you want to slice it. Yeah, and
it is a very book out of the communist playbook.

(22:15):
Literally like literally is as the Germans would say in
the Nazis, you know, when the Nazis were in power.
You know, say a lie enough and it becomes the truth.
And both sides, by the way, like are doing this.
It's not just the Democrat Party. It was primarily before
started with Obama, the Democrat Party, but it's it's no

(22:36):
longer that. It's not both sides just poking the bear
on either side. And we got to also understand that
the average person is very their minds are malleable, they're susceptible.
And it's not not because I'm saying they're stupid. It's
just they're bombarded with all this information. You got social media,
got legacy media, got radio, you got freaking podcasters, you
got influencers all toning the line to make a dollar.

(22:57):
Kind of going back to what you said earlier, how
like you said about Charlie Kirk. Not not, and I'm
not bashing him either, but you know, some of these
people eventually they go, hey, you know I can make
more money, pay earn some dollars from my family, et cetera,
and they start to go with what works right, they
just keep going down that road, and we see that.
So the responsibility falls on i think, not just the

(23:18):
left or the right, but everybody to recognize this, like
we need to disconnect, step back and actually see what
the hell's going on before we engage and step back in.
And the other thing with all of this, where I'm
going to go with this is also how right away
everybody wants to not, like you said, not accept responsibility.
For example, the person who killed Charlie Kirk, Yeah, he
wasn't a psychotic person by definition necessarily, but he did

(23:41):
get radicalized and The problem we have is we are
seeing this in our education system, also in higher education.
I mean when you have literal videos of you know, instructors,
people with PhDs. We're talking, We're talking about professor sitting
down literally telling their students we need to take down America.
Communism is bad. We could argue that could be, but whatever,
I'm a comment not communists. I'm in capitalism. Sorry, I

(24:04):
don't know, I've end up a while, but you know,
capitalism bad, take down America. And yet they're benefiting off
the systems that are lining their pockets. Right, some of
these professor's making you know, one hundred and fifty to
two hundred thousand dollars a year. Insane. I don't I'm
not sure where they're coming from. So we can't ignore
that either. There's correlation now, and people want to ignore it.

(24:27):
They want to ignore it and they want to just keep,
like you said, blaming the right the left. This is extreme,
but you're right. Trump did not help what this is.
I'm gonna be honest. I like Trump when he first
came into the scene because at first he was literally
saying what people were thinking, but he doubled down, tripled
down while troupled. He just kept going and he doesn't
know when to pull back. And now it's at the point.

(24:48):
I don't know. I think he likes hearing his own voice,
and uh, you know, we just had he just addressed
the UN today and it was like he was given
a magas speech, you know, something that he would give
to his his on base, telling the world leaders how
great he is and how many wars he stopped. Everything
he's doing. Yep. But here we are with France and

(25:08):
we've got the UK and almost most Europeans nations are
out in right now trying to recognize the state of
Palestine and UK went so far as from what I
read earlier, it might be wrong though that they're even
trying to change the address for the Embassy of Israel
to just say po box whatever number of Palestine.

Speaker 2 (25:29):
As if they can get in there. Yeah, exactly, So
they're not allowed in there. I mean, I'm also won't
let them in there.

Speaker 1 (25:35):
It's crazy. I don't know how we're gonna write this,
I really don't. So again, I think the responsibility is
going to fall on people like us. Maybe to be honest,
we're going to you know, people like you telling the
truth people like us in the research and trying to
get the word out. And I'm not always right. I
mean no, I.

Speaker 2 (25:50):
Mean either, Like I think the thing that I really
always wanted to do is like I'm never gonna lie,
and I'm not going to I'm not gonna say something
I don't believe, especially because I just feel like there's
plenty of that going around, right, And you're absolutely right
up with a lie thing. I mean, yeah, I was.

(26:11):
There is a the violence thing. I think the left
has a bigger problem with embracing violence. They're the ones
that have said, like speech is violence and violence is speech,
Like that's not that's so wildly incoherent and anti American,
Like it's actually anti American because like you either like
the First Amendment is either the greatest like I think
it's the greatest thing ever. I think it's the reason

(26:32):
this country works. I think that you.

Speaker 1 (26:34):
Have to have it.

Speaker 2 (26:35):
And the left has been more anti that traditionally than
the right. They have, yes, and especially when it comes
to labeling things hate speech and stuff. You know, but
then Charlie Kirk gets assassinated and the Attorney General is
out there saying there's free speech, and then there's hate speech,
and it's like, no, you are supposed to be the

(26:56):
top lawyer in the country and you should know that
it's not true. And Charlie Kirk himself would have argued
with you about that. He said, absolutely not. There's no
such thing as hate speech in this country and the
Supreme Court.

Speaker 1 (27:10):
So do not do you think that not there is
never a case for something is literally classified as hate speech.

Speaker 2 (27:16):
I just do not think that there should. I mean
there is not and there should not ever be a
legal definition of hate speech because at that point you
are not you are saying certain ideas are illegal. And
the Supreme Court. Look, the most famous Supreme Court First
Amendment cases are dealing with Nazis in the Ku Klux Klan,

(27:39):
which I think everyone would agree almost everyone would agree
are bad people and they're evil, and like we would
all say, they're reprehensible, they're terrible, ugly, gross, just everything.

Speaker 1 (27:51):
We hate about, like the bad side of speech.

Speaker 2 (27:56):
And yet the Supreme Court said, yeah, but like, why
would we let the government decide which speech is bad
or not? Because once you open that door, what it
turns into is eventually again, let's think about the things
that if Donald Trump could snap his fingers, which he's
tried to do this, by the way, he's still trying
to do this right now, and could say certain speech
is hateful. You know, what do you think right now

(28:19):
he's trying to do it. He's saying, if you talk
bad about me. He said this to ABC the other day.
He said they were asking him something about you know,
I can't remember the Jimmy Kimmel thing or whatever, and
he was like, well, what about you guys. You guys
do a lot of hate speech towards me, and you
say a lot of hateful things about me. Maybe we
should take away your broadcast license. So, for Donald Trump,
what hate speech means is someone said something mean about him.
By the way, sometimes it's true. It's like yeah, and

(28:42):
so that if you let the government decide what is
hateful and what is not. Donald Trump right now would say,
if you say something bad about him, that's hate speech.
And if we say the government gets classify which is
hateful and what's not, Donald Trump gets to decide what
hate speech is. Right, if it's Democrats that were you,
they might say, if you say I believe in there's
only two genders you that might be hate speech, and

(29:04):
we can throw you and for saying that it is.

Speaker 1 (29:09):
But so let's just pick up yeah again, and look,
you know, I was gonna add something. I was gonna say, everybody,
we're having technical difficulties and it's what it is. And
with spies together, Blake said a lot of great stuff,
but where you left off was when you were talking
about where the government will be able to decide what
is free speech? And yeah, you know, that's where we

(29:30):
left off. And you're you're absolutely right, You're you're also saying,
how you know the way Trump is acting like you
can't He's he's basically saying whatever is not is hate
speech is really just whatever's criticizing him, to be honest,
like you can't criticize someone without them now saying oh
that's hateful. I can't have that. Now. What's interesting is

(29:52):
I was gonna put this, I was gonna try to
interject with this, but I'm gonna say the date today,
which is September twenty third, twenty twenty five, because today
Google just admitted that the Biden administration was having them
literally cancel accounts and monitor people's content.

Speaker 2 (30:10):
And they were doing it based on misinformation, which is
just another way to say, we get to decide what
truth is and what it isn't.

Speaker 1 (30:16):
Also, Blake, what's interesting since you were just talking about
all of this is California is getting closer. I think.
Let me look, I was trying to look this up
earlier when you were talking SB seven seven to one,
I believe. Let me confirm that, and I haven't heard
about that a SB seven seven one. So this is
an interesting one. This is going down the road probably

(30:37):
very similar to what's happening in the UK. Now. Now,
part of what they're saying in here, just kind of paraphrasing,
is that California, if you do anything. Now, what they're
gonna do is whole social media platform is responsible, not
going after the individual, but basically if anything that's out
there that is considered to be hateful speech, and of
course anything that is directed towards what is mostly marginalized

(31:00):
communities is what they're saying, and then they go further
to define it as you know, each against LGBTQ communities
of course minorities, and then there's other language. You should
look that up. I guarantee, I guarantee it'll be a
great episode for you to have. But on the surface,
and this is the problem with the government. You know,

(31:21):
you give them a little, they never give it back, right,
So on the surface, you're like, wow, this makes a
lot of sense, like people shouldn't be saying those things
about these people, but you also can see where they
manipulate this and they can control everything that you say.
And then also you're being thrown to jail, just like
they're doing in the UK right now, people are being
arrested for tweets. Yeah. Crazy, and I'm afraid we might

(31:42):
be going down that road.

Speaker 2 (31:43):
I think we are. I think it's weird because again
I don't want to do any Oh.

Speaker 1 (31:51):
No, listen, We're good right now. Apologize. I was just
I was just listening to and I was like agree.
It's like, yeah, you know, but look like I'm gonna
tell you right now on this show, you can say
whatever you whatever is on your mind. There's there's You're
not gonna fend any of my audience.

Speaker 2 (32:06):
I don't I don't hold back. I think that go
for it. I think that the problem with all those
built First of all, I want to say that I
think everyone has the best of intentions. I think that's
the other thing that's really wrong with the politics right
now is that we assume the other side has ill intent. Now,
sometimes I think that's the case. I think I think
Donald Trump cares about his self. I think he cares
about his own wealth, his hi, his reputation. I don't

(32:29):
really think he cares about anyone else. And I did
not watch the memorial service for Troy Kirk because I
thought I just knew it would make my blood boil.
And but I know from what I read the next
day is like he made it about himself. It wasn't
about trus Kirk. It was a campaign rally for him.
And he even to say the stuff that he said
were like you can tell. He went on prompter and
he said like, you know, you don't hate your enemies,

(32:50):
and he was like, actually, that's where I disagree with Charlie.
I I hate I hate my opponents, I hate my enemies.
And you're like, man, do you realize how I mean,
let's get in to a different layer of it. Just
forget about the politics. Forget about the fact that this
guy's like you're you're talking to the widow of someone
who got assassinated, and the videos that I mean, it's

(33:11):
just awful. It's absolutely terrible thing about what she and
her kids are gonna have to deal with for forever,
for that being what happened to their dad. And it's
so terrible. And he did this at the White House too.
After the assassination, he started talking about like the remodel
at the White House and stuff. It's just like he
he does not have an He does not care about

(33:32):
anyone else. And you can like Donald Trump, you can
support his policies, you can say he's a better choice
than Kamala Harris. I cannot deal with people that defend
him on that. I'm like, well, no, but you don't know.
And I'm like, no, I know. A guy got assassinated
he claims to be really close to and he's talking
about how they're redecorating the White House. Right, he doesn't
really care about Charlie Kirk.

Speaker 1 (33:53):
I think there's two things there. I think one, you're
right or could be right. Two he also made me
an individual that just cannot handle loss or or handle
uh you know those anything that is overwhelming to the
degree where it does require you to be emotionally invested.
I think he wants to avoid it. I'm want to

(34:14):
make an excuse for him, but he seems like that
kind of person where he just doesn't want to he
doesn't want to address it. He tries to deflect basically,
oh for sure, which.

Speaker 2 (34:22):
Is but I don't even think it's yeah, it is,
and I just think it's not. It's not Sincere, I
think it's it's not. Again, you go back to his assassination.
If he sticks to the speech that's the first thirty
minutes of like, that's a that's one of the better
that's going to be a speech that everyone remembers forever,
Like it's literally going to be like one of the
things that can be in the history books. Because he

(34:44):
nearly gets assassinated, he comes out there. If he if
he did that and stuck the prompter, it would have
been great. And stead he went for an hour longer
than that and just started turning into it the greatest
hits of the campaigns. This is why I like, I'm not
going all the way down this road. But there are
there are things that Republicans need to be concerned about
with his age and cognitive ability that I think he

(35:04):
is not the same Trump he was four years ago
or eight years ago, Like he is getting older, and
his mind is not working the same way it did
eight years ago. And I don't want to be in
the party that does the same thing that they did
with Joe Biden, where they just pretend it's not happening.

Speaker 1 (35:18):
True.

Speaker 2 (35:18):
I think that we got to be really honest about that.
So I'm not I'm not saying let's blame that on everything.
He's got dementia. I'm not like the Democrats again started
the whole thing. He's dead a couple of weeknds ago.
It's ridiculous and.

Speaker 1 (35:28):
Well as it is ridiculous and funny, but you know,
not maybe not far off. I mean, he's not the
same person who knows that. Look, he's this is I
want you to know. I'm kind of really on the
same pages with Trump. So what I'm gonna say is this,
he knows this his last term, so he hasn't I'm
just gonna say he doesn't give a fuck. Oh no, yeah,
that's he knows. He knows it's that's it. He's gonna

(35:50):
do whatever we can push the envelope. Yep. And I
think with him doing this that the stress and the
weight of everything coming down. I don't believe that, you know, hereingews.
He get push back. He knews good blowback, but the
fact that not everybody is buying in hook line syncer
like they used to, I think is an issue for him.
It is definitely a big roadblock. You know. The Charlie

(36:10):
Kirk thing made it look like large a large part
of the population believes in Trump himself, but a lot
of them were just they're really to memorialize Charlie And
then it got turned into a damn Trump rally.

Speaker 2 (36:22):
Right because he has to that that is the only way.
Everything for him is currency. It's either is it actually
making me actual money transactional or is it make me
look better? Every that is everything with him, and there
is no There is no sacrificial thing with him. Everything
is selfish. Everything has how does this benefit me? And

(36:43):
I think it's foolish that any Republican thinks that they're
in his good graces. He will throw any one of
them under the bus. And he has done this over
and over again. That's why people are like, when people
are like jd Vance is going to be the next president,
I'm like, there's not a chance jad Vance gets out
of this four years without getting stabbed in the back
by Donald Trump. It's just not going to happen because
he does it with absolutely everyone and he's not going

(37:05):
to change at eighty like eighty, No, he's only getting
more into the thing. And so I'm like, that's just
a realistic I'm not.

Speaker 1 (37:12):
So who does already look to though, because a lot
of people think jd. Vance should be great to carry
it on. Yeah, but you're right, I don't think he
comes out of this unscathe. Yeah, he's going to eventually
be taking He's going to be the scapegoat, I think
on a lot of things eventually, just like he's been
throwing his own administration under the bus and then goes
back and says, oh, they're wonderful people.

Speaker 2 (37:32):
Yeah, there's a couple of reasons I don't think Jady
Vance can be it. Mostly historically, we're always wrong about
this two or three years out. We've talked about Scott Walker,
we talked about Rick Perry, we talked about Hillary Clinton
multiple times. We've talked about all sorts of people that
don't even sniff the nomination. And that's even when we're
like two years out. So there's that vice presidents don't

(37:52):
have a great track record. It's like they're four four
of twelve or something that run the resident. It's pretty low,
not very many, especially if they didn't inherit it vi
an assassination or something. And even those people tend to
lose reelection, and so you know, it's not like just
just those facts would be enough to go. I don't
think that it's a given that he's the guy, But

(38:15):
then you compound it with like he's gonna have to
figure out how to run for First of all, I
don't think Trump's economic policies are gonna work. I think
that the only saving grace for Trump is that the
Supreme Court says he can't implement tariff's the way he
wants to, and he can't do it anymore. I think
that's the only because Congress isn't going to stop him,
even when Congress could thwart him for his own good.

(38:36):
Like the Matt Gates nomination for Attorney General was a
thing where I'm glad, like I can't mind he's my
senator as one of them who's the most one of
the most maggot people ever and he was just like
I serve with that guy in the house and he
is the worst human. I mean, it's Basically, he's the
worst human being. I will not vote yes for him.
And you know what, I'm not saying Pam Bonnie's a
lot better, but she's you know, I have a lot

(38:57):
of problems with Pam Bonnie more and character and all
sorts of reasons she's better than Matt Gates. Now, I
think Donald Trump all he really wants is a sick
of fans and a yes man that says, you know,
he says, here's what I want to do. I want
you to go after my enemies, and they say yes, sir, right,
And so he's gonna get that either way with either one.

Speaker 1 (39:12):
Of those people.

Speaker 2 (39:12):
But I think, you know, Republicans helped Donald Trump save
him from himself by not giving him Matt Gates. But
they're not doing that with tariffs, and I terriffs. I
don't think tariff's when used this way work. I think
that you look back to the last election, everyone was
mad about inflation happening. Tariffs are going to make the
prices of things go higher, and you can't argue with

(39:33):
you can't convince people, Fox News, no amount of MAGA
like brainwashing can convince people that stuff is not more
expensive than it.

Speaker 1 (39:43):
Was oh it is. It is absolutely anymore.

Speaker 2 (39:46):
And I don't think it's actually happened more even so
much because we got these like ninety we got these
like pauses on Liberation Day and stuff, and we're only
just now seeing those tariffs really kick in. So you're
not gonna really but like around Christmas time, we are
going to see your and to see suply problems. You
will see prices if nothing changes, and I think that
that will be of albatross around JD. Vance's neck and

(40:08):
he's going to have to try to figure out how
do I thread the needle where I say what Donald
Trump did didn't work while he's still president and can
get on television and bad mouth be for saying that
because presidents in the past like George W. Bush was
not very popular when he left office and Republicans were like,
it actually does not help me to have you come

(40:28):
campaign with me. You know what George W. Bush is like,
I get it, like no problem, Like I'm not upset
about it, I'm not hurt. Donald Trump cannot do that
like he, like JD. Vance, will not be able to say, hey,
I need you to like dial it back a little
bit because Donald Trump didn't care about the Republican Party.
He does not actually care what happened. He wants to
the star. In fact, I think Donald Trump will not

(40:50):
relinquish control of the Republican Party. I think that what
will happen is Donald Trump will crown someone that's and
so if it is jd Vance, if it's that's who
he decides to put his weight by, it will be
Jade Vance. But it might be Eric Trump, it might
be Melania.

Speaker 1 (41:05):
Yeah, but your statement about him crowning someone is probably
the truth, but no different than what happened with Obama. True,
Ohama's been the king of the Democrat Party for years,
and that that's the problem they're having right now. They
don't know who's going to replace Obama.

Speaker 2 (41:22):
Yeah, I will say the difference there is that Obama
I don't think wants to be anymore.

Speaker 1 (41:27):
It's just I'm agreeing. I was just gonna say that, Yeah,
no one has person.

Speaker 2 (41:32):
Yeah, because he wanted to, Like when the Joe Biden
thing happened last summer, he wanted I mean, I think
he wanted there to be a primary and stuff, but
he was trying to pull those strings behind the scenes.
So he wasn't the guy saying what needed to happen.
And I think that's admirable. But he is and because,
like you, the Republicans are in trouble for sure. If
if Donald Trump died tomorrow, it would be a mess,

(41:54):
because I think all these factions that are coalescing around
Donald Trump, if they no longer have that threat from
Donald Trump, You're going to see the nationalists. You're going
to see the racist You're going to see the true conservatives,
see the Reaganites. There's gonna be some inviting. The Democrats.
I don't know what their answer is right now.

Speaker 1 (42:14):
I mean, I think that party's lost at the moment.
They have an opportunity to get their shit together, to
be quite honest, and really show people what they can be,
because I think the old Democrat Party, when you know,
back in the nineties, et cetera, I thought that was
a whole different party. To me. Back then, they represent
the people a lot more, actually were the part of
the people. But they got away from that once they

(42:36):
got a taste of power, in my opinion, and then
it became the party of the stars and the elite,
and they totally forgot where they came from. And yeah,
but it's psychical, right, it happens. You know, the Conservative
Party was that and then now look at them. Now
they're getting used to what they have and now they're
being freaking over the top and elaborate and now themselves

(42:56):
becoming elitists. It's the problem we have is gosh, damn,
I just wish our elected officials. And it starts in Congress,
in the House, in the Senate actually just represent the
damn people. And and just you know, part I think
party politics has to go out the window. It's never
going to happen. I know, I have a different view

(43:18):
on that.

Speaker 2 (43:19):
So what I think the problem is, I think you're
right to a degree in the sense that like you're right,
but I mean, look Donald Trump's campaign, that Republican convention
was essentially Bill Clinton's convention in nineteen ninety two or
ninety six. Yeah, like they're not that different on like,
pick any issue. Donald Trump has abandoned the pro life cause,
he's abandoned fiscal responsibility.

Speaker 1 (43:41):
He's never claimed to be a Republican anyway.

Speaker 2 (43:42):
He's never claimed to be conservative. He says it out loud,
so so he's already kind of a Clinton Democrat anyway.
That's that's who he really is.

Speaker 1 (43:51):
Now.

Speaker 2 (43:51):
I think that there's another Bill Clinton was a much
smarter politician, like in the sense that he just like
he saw where but for the most part, Bill Clinton
saw where the country was going and then and then said, yeah,
let's go there. He picked seventy thirty issues and went
with the seventy percent. I think what happened, And I like,

(44:12):
I pay a lot of attention to this because I
am like, how do you solve the problem? I think
you've got to figure out what caused the problem to
really be able to solve it. So, like, where do
we think this stemmed from? And I think I am
definitely on board with I think this starts with First
of all, it starts with you know, wood Rowlilson and FDR,
with the executive branch trying to control everything, trying to

(44:35):
throw like basically I'm the superiity branch.

Speaker 1 (44:38):
What I say goes.

Speaker 2 (44:39):
I think that's where it kind of starts, the sort
of imperial presidency, and then I think it just keeps
ramping up for the next eighty years and or one
hundred years in the case of going back to wood
Row Wilson. Then I think the problem is primaries. I
think that when the parties gave up the ability to
pick who they're going to run, inevitably, where that's going
to lead is you're going to get fringier and further

(45:02):
to the extremes of your party, and you've opened up
single issue groups to control the narrative instead of the party,
so the party no longer gets to decide what the
party represents. You're always gonna have changes. I mean, like
a a Probagan party and the Democratic Party are going
to change over time because the issues are going to change.

(45:22):
And like Democratic there's all sorts of things are gonna change,
and that's normal. But what's not normal is that they've
totally flipped on things. And it's more so because they
look at the numbers and go, well, if we is
so a primary. It's just like people don't show up
in primaries. I don't totally quote me on the math
on this, but the twenty sixteen election, which is the

(45:45):
last time we actually had open primaries on both sides,
you didn't have an incumbent in either way. That was like,
if you do the math on how many people picked
Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump, it's like four percent of
the population because you can't county the states after Trump
nails it. So it's like if you're you know, after
sometimes they wrap this up on Super Tuesday and so

(46:06):
half the state's primary votes don't count.

Speaker 1 (46:08):
It's just like totally worthless.

Speaker 2 (46:11):
I don't believe in twenty sixteen for a second, if
the parties had like overwhelming control over this, they would
have let Bernie Sanders, who's not a Democrat, caucuses of
the Democrats and Donald Trump, who's not really a Republican.

Speaker 1 (46:23):
Bernie was a more popular representative.

Speaker 2 (46:26):
Right, be their leader, like, be the leaders of the party.
They would go no, no, no, like we have a litmus test.
Like I think it would even be good for the
parties to say, for example, we're not going to let
anyone run for president that hasn't been a congressman or
a senator or governor or something like that, like you
just to gatekeep the sort of celebrity nonsense that I
think we're heading towards now. And so I actually want

(46:46):
to give the parties more power. I think that we
stripped that away with campaign finance reform. We basically said
you can't you can't do donations. But the Supreme Court
says and says in United says, well, you can't restrict
it's restricting speech if you say that people can't donate to.

Speaker 1 (47:02):
Like packs.

Speaker 2 (47:03):
Essentially.

Speaker 1 (47:04):
Okay, so I get what you're saying, but let's strip
it down even more to the root of the root
of the issue. If we're talking about where we are
now in modern times, the root of the issue is
we got away from common sense and honestly family values.
I'm not being the ultra conservative guy you're saying. They

(47:24):
did get away from all that and we went down
this rabbit hole of love. Who you want to have love,
be the sex you think you are, a gender whatever.
And I'm not I'm not here hating on anybody, but
those things did lead to where we're at because most
people did not agree with it. And I'm not I'm
not advocating for someone can't live the way they want
to live. It's just nobody felt like that message needed

(47:44):
to be forced on the throats every single day they
woke up. You couldn't have an opinion, and you were
chastised for it, and then you were canceled. Now I'm
not I'm not that tif for tad guy, because that
doesn't get us anywhere. But let's go back further. I
think the root of the problem is that serving in
Congress was never supposed to be a career move true, period, true.
And in the nineteen seventies is when you started seeing

(48:07):
a drastic increase in salaries. It was never like that.
It used to be like a stipend. It was like, okay,
here's a little stipend or bonus for you serving just
a you know, basic necessities whatever it was. And then
the seventies when you started seeing salaries going I think
it was somewhere between sixties and seventy thousand a year.
And then here we are, now we're at one hundred
and seventy five or one hundred and seventy seven thousand
a year. And then you find you take that and

(48:28):
then also we got to look at well, if you're
only making this much money, why are you coming out
the other end of multimillionaire as well?

Speaker 2 (48:34):
No, that is, I mean, that is a gigantic problem.

Speaker 1 (48:37):
But a serving two years for one year also and
you get full medical for life and retirement on top
of that.

Speaker 2 (48:44):
Now there's all sorts of bad incentem structures there. I
still think what it goes down to, though, is that
the real So the reason I think the left capitulated
to the far extreme progressive wing of their party that
does not even represent a majority of their party, much
as the majority of the country right is because once once,
packs can get unlimited money, but parties and candidates can't.

(49:06):
Who do you have to go to for money?

Speaker 1 (49:08):
Packs?

Speaker 2 (49:09):
What do packs care about? Single issues? Planned Parenthood only
cares about abortion access and nothing else. In our only
cares about gun right, Second Amendment stuff and nothing else,
And picket go down the list. Most packs are single issue.
There are not a lot of family value packs. There
are not. I mean there are ones that like my

(49:29):
but they're all like it's like where the free speech pack?
Where the this pack? Where the you know, like And
that's where you have to get the money. And you
have to get people fired up enough to go to
a runoff in August for a primary so that no
one's interested in voting it. And so the only people
you can get to show up in those situations are

(49:49):
the crazy people. That is who votes in primary elections
is for the most part, it's very fringe like, way
more politically active. They're junkies like me. They're probably not
as informed though, because they're in echo chambers because they're
on the far wing of their party, and that's how
you get really bad candidates. And then what happens to
the rest of us is November comes around and we're like,

(50:11):
these two idiots are the choices we have. And it's
because we let a system happen over decades that says, Okay,
four percent of your party is going to get a
pick who runs in November, and I just think that's
People are like, well, it's undemocratic to not have primaries.
I'm like, no, no, no, there's nothing in the constitution that
says that parties have to They can pick their candidates

(50:32):
in smoke field rooms. They could do it via a
raffle if they want to. I don't really actually care,
but I would love the parties to actually have some
more ownership of the people they pick. And I think
it would work because I think part of the reason
the Democrats are in such a bad position right now
is because they're crowning of Kamala Harris. First of all,
they're cover up with the Joe Biden stuffy pissed off

(50:54):
a lot of people, not just Republicans like my Democratic.
I do not have a Democratic friend that that defends
what happened as far as what Joe Biden did and
the people around him and the Democratic Party, and they
like they were lied to. Now I think there's some
there's you have agency to find the same stuff I did.
It was not a shock when he went down in

(51:16):
flames in that debate because for years I had been going,
this guy's not okay, like, and this isn't me saying
I mean, obviously I disagree with him on stuff, but like,
he's not okay. He cannot be the president. And I
thought his choice of Kamala Harris was so that's what
really that was a strike. I might have voted for
him in twenty twenty based on my dislike of Trump,

(51:36):
my distrust of Trump at that point, except that when
he pick Kamala Harris, I go, he is not taking
the fact that he's old very seriously because he picked
the least qualified VP candidate of all his options because
and he said it out loud, because she was a
black woman. Well, and I just go like, that's not
a good reason to pick someone. That's exactly it's not
a good reason to pick someone. And it's not fair

(51:57):
to her either, because it gives her no chance.

Speaker 1 (51:59):
Actually effect to what we were talking about earlier about
how we got here. You know that the Democrat Party,
then they don't they're not seeing it that way now.
But then it was all about virtual virtue singing, and
they thought they had a pulse on what the people
believed in and wanted, and they were just so far
off the mark they couldn't see it. I see.

Speaker 2 (52:20):
I don't think that's what really happened. I think they
were pressured by the far extreme wings of their party.

Speaker 3 (52:25):
You have to do right, I'm going to get there. Yeah, yeah,
and you're right as well. So but we let's go
back to what we're talking about with narratives, rhetoric, psychological conditioning.

Speaker 1 (52:36):
Right. Maybe they didn't believe this, maybe they were pressured
by their donors, as we're saying, but it was enough
messaging every day out there, whether they believed in it
or not, they were saying it, people were buying into it.
And then at that point you can't just you can't
just put the brakes on, right, it is just going
to it's just not going to like I'm not stopping

(52:56):
within ten feet anymore, because now I need a distance
of a thousand feet to make work, and they were
just too close to the wall. So now the other
thing is I agree with you and you kind of
touched on it. But maybe what we need to do
is I think, listen, we need to get rid of lobbyists.
To be honest, I mean, it should be more public, right,
I think they should have meetings where they can go

(53:18):
in front of all the representatives or whichever representative the room,
so that it's more public and everyone has a right
to hear it at the same time, and they can
they can state their case, what they're there for, et cetera,
and then they can decide what they want to do
from there. I don't believe they should be able to
donate and going back to serving in Congress, to me,
it should be at the most two terms two year

(53:40):
term each four years are out. There's no way you
should be able to get in and be there for
thirty forty sixty years and still have influence. And the
only reason they are doing this is because they're getting
power and they're getting money. If we could take that
away from take those the centers away, maybe that can
help curb some of the corruption.

Speaker 2 (53:58):
So now The only thing that weird about that is
that the money thing is absolutely happening. Like, yeah, I
haven't read the book yet, but I'm totally forgetting the
title of it. But a guy wrote a book last
year and it's just all about how, you know, how
they get rich, and it's like it's across the boards.

Speaker 1 (54:15):
It's not speaking engagement in book deals. We know.

Speaker 2 (54:17):
And but the power part is interesting because I don't
think Congress is interested in power. They're interested in keeping
their seat, but they're not exercising their powers.

Speaker 1 (54:29):
Is there no power in keeping that seat? Because I
mean it's all about influence though.

Speaker 2 (54:36):
Yes, no, I actually don't think it is anymore because
if it was about influence at all, more Republicans would
push back on Trump, and more Democrats would push back
on Biden, like they did stuff that was against their
interest in keeping their seats, even like if you were
really interested in having the power, like well, here's two examples, Okay,

(54:57):
I think that like future thinking Democrat, the future thinking
Democrats and Republicans had opportunities to take back the reigns
of Congress and make themselves seem a little bit more
legitimate and throw their weight around and I would say
with Trump, it's obviously his impeachment and removal. Republican in Congress. Actually,
they didn't want the uncomfortableness of the death threats they
were getting, which is insane to me. Also, by the way,

(55:19):
that's totally that's warping. The death threats that people's families
are getting in Congress is it's not something that you
should have to worry about, and all that on. It
be something people have to worry about. But now people
are leaving Congress. Most of the people that are leaving
Congress are going, you know, I'm a politician. I signed
up for this. My family did not, though, and so
I can't do and so that's a that's a really

(55:40):
bad part of it. But they had They basically chose
to not piss off the crowd and do the easy
thing because they just thought it would take care of himself.
They just thought, well, no, surely, after January sixth, no
one's gonna put Donald Trump in power again. And so
they didn't do the thing that they should have done.
And I think Democrats did the same thing with Joe Biden.
Like Dean Phillips is the only Democrat with any credibility

(56:03):
to me, because there's no way everyone didn't see what
was going on, and they lied to us, and they
lied to themselves, and they lied to party and all
this stuff. And then on top of that, when his
behavior was bad, like for example, him the preemptive pardons,
especially for his family, I think democrat if you wanted to,
if you were, if you were a House Republican, I
mean a House Democrat at the end of his term,

(56:26):
I think it would have been wise to bring up
articles of impeachment against him so that you were consistent
about it. And when you're running for president in twenty
twenty eight, you get to go to Pete boodhaj Edge
and Kamala Harris and everyone else that wasn't on board
with it and go so you're okay with President's giving
pardons their family because you know Donald Trump's going to
do that in a couple of months, right, and you're
not going to have a leg to stand on. And

(56:47):
so I think there have been opportunities in just the
past four years where they had such an obvious like
the country would be with them, Like no one felt
good about those pardons, no one, like J six people
are now making excuses for it. And stuff, But like
you had, those are seventy thirty issues for the most
part when they happened, and you could have gotten on

(57:07):
the board in something popular, and instead you chose to
capitulate to Joe Biden or to Donald Trump. And so
to me, it's like in Congress right now, could take
like I think most Republicans in Congress know that the
tariffs are a bad idea, and yet they won't put
their foot down and say we're taking away these powers
from the president. They know the way he's using the FCC.

(57:28):
I think it's a great opportunity to like mothball some
of these things. I don't think the FCC should exist.
I don't think it. I think we've given way too
much power to the federal government.

Speaker 1 (57:38):
That time is coming gone.

Speaker 2 (57:40):
Yeah, yeah, and you know so I'm with you on
I just don't think those are the the biggest problems
with Congress. I think the biggest problem with Congress they're
not willing to pas. They don't want to pass laws anymore.
They don't want to have to do that work.

Speaker 1 (57:56):
So it's as I've said, and I've heard you say
it yourself. As a team sport, right, yeah, now, if
they're what they're doing is in my mind, keeping power.
Look if you have if you're able to keep your seat,
you keep the influence, you keep control of Congress to
do what keep your party in power. As far as
far as you said about Trump and Biden, I completely

(58:18):
agree with you. I I think there was an opportunity
to do something on either side that could have spoke
volumes for the people. But let's be honest at that time,
who were the choices? Well, right, but on either side.

Speaker 2 (58:31):
But in both those situations, they don't even have elections
coming up for two years, like they just got elected.
Like it's like like everything about it is primed for
you doing the right thing. You don't have an election
coming up, you don't have a hard vote thing. It's
just like, do the right thing, And they can't even
do it in those situations.

Speaker 1 (58:48):
I just think there's no But they're just saying in general,
I'll talk about like presidential choices at the time, like oh, Trump,
it made sense because he had that momentum already. He
was already saying, oh the election was stolen, I'm coming back,
I'm gonna take this. Yeah. The thing with Biden, it
was like who else did your choice. Hillary wasn't gonna
get it. Everybody else was too young and too new

(59:08):
to the party yet to really you know, take it on.
So Biden was yeah, But don't you think don't you.

Speaker 2 (59:13):
Think in twenty twenty two, after the midterms, especially when
Democrats did better than anyone thought they would in those midterms,
don't you think that if Joe Biden, like, just think
about this alternate history, Joe Biden comes out and says, look,
you elected me to be you elected me to not
be Donald Trump, because you know, that's what America wanted.
They did not want Donald Trump. They wanted someone else.
They wanted to return to normalcy, and that's why they

(59:34):
picked me over all the progressive nonsense in the Democratic primary.
Like he could come out and say all this right,
and so look what I've done so far. Now, at
that point, he'd already done the Afghanistan woodraw, which was
a disaster, and I mean that really his poll numbers
never recovered after that, So he's already he should have
seen that. But again, both these people have really fragile egos,

(59:56):
and I think that they are. I think everyone around
them lies to them too. I don't it's because they
demand that. And so Biden, I think, really believe he
is more popular than he really was, just like Trump thinks.
He doesn't believe any bad poles, only believes the good
stuff and people. No one's going to bring him bad news.
No one wants to bring Trump bad news. But if
Biden would to come out and said I did, I'm
not Trump, I've and here's what I'm going to do.

(01:00:19):
I'm not going to run in twenty twenty four, and
I want there to be a robust debate in the
Democratic Party for who takes over the reins. But I
said I was going to be a bridge builder, and
I'm going to be a bridge in the next generation.
And so I'm doing that. I'm saying, right now, go
for it. Democrats, figure this out, and I will. I'll
support whoever the Democratic Party chooses, you know, like through

(01:00:40):
a normal primary process. If at the same time he
chose to say, hey, remember how much we were scared
of Donald Trump and him abusing the powers that we've
given the executive branch. Instead of abusing those powers myself,
I want Congress to take some of those powers back.
And here's the thing. Don't like Joe Biden was set
up to be that he was a Senator for forever,

(01:01:02):
like he cares about that institution. I believe that Joe
Biden cares about the institute of the Senate. And I
don't think I don't think he want like I think
he was not tricked, but I think the people around
him wanted to steal that power. But I mean, I
think he very.

Speaker 1 (01:01:16):
Much still looked.

Speaker 2 (01:01:17):
Obama owes a lot of credit to Joe Biden actually
knowing how to go to Capitol Hill and make deals happen,
and Obama was not good at that, and so I
think he actually owes Joe Biden's some credit, even though
I don't think Joe Biden's a particularly great politician or
you know, I only ever has been. But if he
would have come out and said that and then said, hey, Congress,
I want you to take away the executive branch's ability
to do this and this and this and all the

(01:01:38):
things that Trump abused and instead of abusing them myself.
But no one, like everyone wants more power than they have.

Speaker 1 (01:01:46):
Yeah, everything you're saying is right, but you know you're
talking more about political strategy right for either side at
this point, versus what people recognize them doing. You know, look,
the premptive parton thing was that was at the end
of Biden. It didn't even matter at that point. But
what stuck out to me with what happened to Biden
was how he handled if kass In. For one, then

(01:02:07):
the Ukraine Russia war. You can see where that went
because they chose not to get involved or doing anything,
put their foot down when they could have. And then
we can't even ignore the her tapes, the interviews where
actual business associates and family members admitted to what they
were doing, and then that somehow went away and never
anything ever happened.

Speaker 2 (01:02:27):
Well, and we got told Robert hur was, you know,
he got dragged through the mud, and like he's totally vindicated.
And I don't hear a lot of apologies from the
press that like where's the accountability.

Speaker 1 (01:02:39):
Yeah, no, they're saying, let's go off for an old
and old guy. But I mean something.

Speaker 2 (01:02:43):
I think the biggest the problem though, is that, well,
first of all, I think Donald Trump and Joe Biden
are a lot more similar than they are different. I
think they both have fragile egos. I think that intellectually,
you know, I think there's a lot of there's and honestly,
they both do not give a crap about the Constitution whatsoever.
Joe Biden over and over again tried to forget student debt,
even though Supreme Court kept coming back and be like,
you don't.

Speaker 1 (01:03:03):
Have power to do that.

Speaker 2 (01:03:04):
Congress does, right, and Donald Trump does the same thing.
It's like my way or the highway. And I think
there's this weird thing where when people get in power
either party. For most of my life now, especially since
twenty ten, i'd say is we've got to do everything.
We got to cram everything into these next two years
because we're never going to get another chance again. It's like,

(01:03:25):
even when they're in power, they act like the party
that's out of power. And I think that clearly when
you have twenty twelve, twenty sixteen, twenty twenty, twenty twenty
four four elections in a row, that we keep just
going nope, nope, nope, nope, we're just going back and forth,
that says that people are not like they're going, let's
give these other guys. We're really just firing one person.
It's just that we have to hire. We only have

(01:03:45):
one higher option.

Speaker 1 (01:03:47):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:03:47):
Every time this happens when it comes to the president specifically.

Speaker 1 (01:03:51):
That's kind of what my poem was earlier, is exactly
what you just said. You just said it better than
I did. Yeah, it's just like they don't have it.
It's like what choice do we have?

Speaker 2 (01:03:58):
And that's where I go, Okay, we've got to move
backwards from that, and we got to say, first of all,
the president's not that important. We've got to go back
to the president being properly in the president's role. And
we just moved so far away from what Article two
of the Constitution says, and Congress has advocated so much
of their power to the executive brandch like that has
to get back in order. That will, unfortunately take a

(01:04:21):
president and a Speaker of the House that are willing
to do it of the same party. We can't even
get a president that does the right thing. Like I said,
Joe Biden could have said, I want Congress to take
back their power. If they didn't at that point, he
can be like I tried, and Congress wouldn't do it.
You know what I mean? Right, But you you're going
to need end like Congress is all sorts of I mean,
we could spend weeks talking about what you're on Congress,

(01:04:42):
because it's not just the stuff you're talking about, it's
also just the process of how it works. It's all
top down leadership. There's no committee stuff bubbling up like
we're not allowing like basically no one has any power.
All you do when you go to Congress is fundraise
for years. You don't ever get to write a bill.
You probably don't get a vote on a bill. I mean,
Congress has passed three bill I think since Donald Trump
can president. It's been eight or nine months.

Speaker 1 (01:05:03):
And the pork man, I mean, come on, can we
on some of these? Can we have them single subject bills?
Can we do that?

Speaker 2 (01:05:10):
Can I give you another unpopular opinion that I was.
I was swayed on. I used to be similar. I
was like, this is a waste. It would be it's
basically pennies on the dollar if you take all the pork,
if you actually put more pork and stuff to get
people to compromise in the sense that like that's because that's.

Speaker 1 (01:05:27):
What that's all it is.

Speaker 2 (01:05:29):
Why And the point is like if you could get like,
for example, like a real plan to fix the national debt,
like I'll give you all the pork, you want because
it's like pennies on the dollars on what we'll say.

Speaker 1 (01:05:41):
I get it, I get it. But like when we
were talking about back when they were trying to tie
together locking down our borders and then giving Ukraine X
amount of millions of billions and then tying to trying
those together. You know, yeah, it's important, but they should
have been separate issues.

Speaker 2 (01:05:58):
But I think the problem is you'll never get a
call loungerst that votes on single issue stuff. It's like
they can't be seen to have voted no on the thing.
And that's why they don't bring stuff to the floor
at all anymore. They don't even want to have to
vote no on the thing. You're right, huh, you know,
And so like there's so many processes that are wrong
with and there's some there's some really interesting ways I've

(01:06:19):
been SaaS is someone I really like, who was the
senator from Nebraska. He's not anymore, but he's had some
he wrote I think is Washington Post Times. I can't
remember it, like a whole article about like here's some
things I would change about the Senate that don't require
it's like just rule changes. Literally, we don't have to
like get an amendment or anything. It's like, I think
they should live together. I think we should literally have
like congressional dorms of sort where you're actually spending time

(01:06:40):
with these people and stuff like that. They're just all
these things that were like and and so you know,
it's like my problem is that everyone, like everyone excuses
the behavior on their side. No one's ever upset about
the corruption or the or the power grabs or the
unconstitutionality or even the violent excuse me of violence, Like

(01:07:03):
no one ever calls that on their side, because it's
not just a team sport. It's become a religion for
a lot of people, Like this has replaced religion as
people's really like people didn't leave religion, they just found
another one. And the other one is now And you
think about it, like look at like the messianic stuff,
like I said, with Obama and Trump, and it's it's creepy.

(01:07:23):
Like I'm a Christian and it thoroughly grosses me out
because I'm like, Jesus does not you know, Jesus does
not need Donald Trump to save him. Like that's not
like you're not really you don't really believe in Christianity
if you think that, like if Donald Trump's not elected,
that like Christians are going to be murdered in the
streets or something like that. Like you're just not like

(01:07:44):
you don't really have a faith in God. You have
faith in Donald Trump and you think Donald Trump like
God needs Donald Trump or something. And it's the same thing,
Like I said, the same kind of stuff happens on
the left. They just replaced with it again. How you
talked about the the sort of the way the left
talked about the stuff that like you can't if you
say there's only two genders, you are hateful. Again, this

(01:08:06):
is something that ten years ago everyone would agreed on.
You've literally you've been like, why are you asking me
a question? Is this a trick question? They've been trying
to figure out what the what the angle is. Yeah,
there's two genders, like no one would have said otherwise. Right, right,
and again, I want people to be able to live.
I think what's great about America is that you get
to do you got to live the life you want
to leave leap you know, that's the beauty of it

(01:08:27):
is that and that's why people come here, and that's
why it's it's I love that part of America that
like people get to come here and like my I
mentioned my my wife's grandparents, like our great grandparents moved
here when they were pregnant with their grandpa from Italy.
You know, almost everyone has some story like that, unless
you're just native American. I guess like almost everyone came

(01:08:47):
here from somewhere else.

Speaker 1 (01:08:48):
Yeah, And I like that.

Speaker 2 (01:08:50):
It's like most it's like people got to go make
a different life. And I think that's also for I
think there will be people that do it in a
way that I disagree with, and I'm also love what
I love. America's like different states can do a different way,
different cities can do a different way, Like if we
don't have this uniform thing, you can't do that with
three hundred and thirty million people. And the problem is
the left specifically got into a situation where they were

(01:09:13):
pressured by their progressive wing or whatever, but they also
turned everything to a moralistic thing. Everything was black and white.
It was you are either on our side or your evil. Yeah,
there was no that was exactly it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:09:24):
Yeah, And they did that worse than the Republicans did
and ever have, in my opinion, and they're still doing it,
and they're not learning from their mistake. It's like the
trans stuff is such a funny thing to me, because like,
why are you still arguing for guys to be in
women's sports? Like we can talk about like you could
say that I want, Like we could have all sorts
of disagreements about like the details of what should children

(01:09:48):
be given hormone? Should we have surgeries?

Speaker 1 (01:09:50):
Is it wrong?

Speaker 2 (01:09:50):
Can adults be transgender? Should they be in women's bathrooms?
We can have all these discussions. I don't see how
anyone is still defending the sports thing because it's so
like voters are just like that's crazy. Caitlyn Jenner says
it's crazy. Who was an Olympic athlete and says that's insane.
If you have people that used to be men who
now identifies women competing against women, it's not safe for women.

(01:10:13):
It's anti women, it's anti feminism. It's like all the
stuff you're undoing, all the stuff that feminists try to do,
but like they have to go along with it because
otherwise you're ostracized.

Speaker 1 (01:10:21):
I I agree with you out Blake, what's okay? I
didn't think where you go talking about this? But yeah,
I didn't talk. But since we're talking about it, my
thing is this, I don't believe we should be celebrating
sexual preference. We should be celebrating humans, and whatever I
tell you is that they do in their achievements. The

(01:10:43):
other thing is, I don't care what anybody says. If
you want to be trans and you want to have
that surgery when you become an adult and you're out
of high school and you believe that's what you are,
go for it. Go for it.

Speaker 2 (01:10:53):
I don't think it'll make you happy most of the time.
Like I don't think it's the silver roll that a
lot of people are on the left are claiming it
is for you.

Speaker 1 (01:11:00):
Being though they're an adult at that point. Yep. My
problem is you can't convince me a kindergartener decides one
day they're a different sex. No, someone put that there. Yep,
period totally agree.

Speaker 2 (01:11:14):
It's a I would just have this conversation with some
friends because we know someone that it's like they're two
or three year old, and I just go there is
that is or celebrities that have two transgender kids, like
you know, statistically that is an impossibility, right that idea?

(01:11:34):
That is the well and what my theory on that,
by the way, and by the way, this is also
my theory for I kind of mentioned this at the
top of the show, like most of the crazies, the
right is trying to paint this thing is like and
I don't think they're totally wrong, but again, they're not
coming at it from the right. I don't think they're
saying it.

Speaker 1 (01:11:51):
The right way. Their approach the right.

Speaker 2 (01:11:53):
Their approach there right now is saying that, like, look
at all these shooters and violent people that were transgender,
and they're not wrong about it, and the left does
need to own it.

Speaker 1 (01:12:01):
The left.

Speaker 2 (01:12:02):
I love how like New York Times apporp twenty paragraphs
in before they mention any of this stuff, they're they're
they're never using pronouns. They're trying to like dance around.
We're not going to mention anything because they don't want
to admit it. I think the problem the right is
saying transgenderism causes this thing. I actually think they've got
that backwards. I think that most disturbed people or crazy

(01:12:23):
people are influenced by the culture around them. And this
is something we've been constantly talking about in the culture
for a decade now or so, and on top of that,
it's not just that we're constantly talking about it. We
like we celebrate people that transition. Now if they detransition
and change their mind, they're vilified by the way. Again,

(01:12:44):
I don't really believe in people's choice to do stuff
if you vilify the people that transition and want to
talk about it, if you call them bigots and they
actually live the experience. And so I think what it's
become is most people the left has embraced victimhood as
a legitimate thing to be proud of. And they've done
this with race, and they've done this with all sorts

(01:13:06):
of things race sexuality. Again, sexuality is the least interesting
part of anyone's personality in my opinion. It's just like
it's just not interesting to me. I don't sit around
and talk about people's like sexual preferences.

Speaker 1 (01:13:19):
Don't wake up and that's top of mind.

Speaker 2 (01:13:21):
Like, yeah, it's just not important to me, and it
but it became the most important thing. And it also
is a I've got to outdo the next weirdest thing.
So I mean, it was like gay people just want
to get married, and then it's like, well, now we
got that, so what do we do next, well transgender
people or like we should be able to have fifty
different genders or we should like it just like to me,

(01:13:42):
But the victimhood thing, it's a great way for white people,
white middle class, upper class people to end up being
a victim. And so if there if their kid is trans,
it's a way for them to be in a victim
class if they're you know, and we've seen this with
all sorts of things. You've seen people fake this. You've
seen people, you know, like fake being black. You know,
we've seen that happen multiple fake being minority. Elizabeth Warren

(01:14:07):
did it by pretending to be Native American for example.
Like I'm just saying, like people are they it's hard
when you have this guilt, when the left is like
inundated people with this, like America is bad. White people
are bad. If you're not poor, you're bad. Everything about
you is evil. People are going to be desperate to

(01:14:27):
find something that makes them accepted in a group. And
I think that is I think it's a social contagion
because like I'm not saying it, there are legitimate cases
of it, absolutely, but they're much more rare. Like you
just look at the numbers and you look at the
social influence of it and how it's hav any more
like transgenderism, Like the true medical thing that used to

(01:14:48):
happen was exclusively with like two or three year old boys,
and it was very very tiny percentages of people. It
never I mean, don't quote me on never. All the
stuff I've ever seen said it was almost never documented
with the little girls wanting to come boys, But it's
women transition to men.

Speaker 1 (01:15:07):
I have something parallel in terms of theory about this
because when you brought up transgender and then you know
obviously where people are relating that to school shooters. Now,
one of those shows I did, I did recently, but
my recall, I got to have the data in front
of you it, so I may be wrong on some
of these numbers, but I just did. Okay, so five

(01:15:28):
hundred and seventy four school shootings, right, I think it
was between ninety nine and twenty twenty four or ninety
something somewhere in there. Five hundred and seventy four. A
lot of people fail to realize or recognize that most
school shootings are actually done by students, not necessarily adults.
Within that same period of times, when there was an
increase in medicating your child with SSR rise and other antidepressants.

(01:15:54):
The correlation and rise is there, and you can see
I can send this to you later if you want
what I found, I'll send Yeah. Also within that time,
when as you got closer to twenty twenty four, then
I'm not gonna say that, but there's anyway there's a
period of time years where you start to see the
emergence of the transgender school shooter. So I agree that

(01:16:18):
it's people who are easily influenced, but we also got
to also look at what also led to them to
be easily influenced, Because when you're when you're under medications
and you're told that you're depressed and you need something
to be proud of and something that represents you, and
then you're getting this rhetoric and narrative to shoved down
your throat, and then you start to believe, well, maybe
I'm not who I am, I'm really this person instead.

(01:16:39):
And I'm not trying to make excuses, but I'm just
saying that we can see a correlation between medications and
then the narrative of find your true self, whoever you are,
right within children, and then we see the rise in
correlation in shootings at schools, which again primarily by students.

(01:17:01):
It's not necessarily adults. Some of them have happened by
adults for the most part.

Speaker 2 (01:17:05):
Yeah, overwhelmingly, it's a lot.

Speaker 1 (01:17:06):
Of people ignore that. They ignore that, well, it was
a child who actually shot other children.

Speaker 2 (01:17:13):
Yeah, I've got a simpler explanation.

Speaker 1 (01:17:15):
Sure.

Speaker 2 (01:17:17):
I think the data absolutely shows that the media is
the problem. The problem is we glorify schools and and
that's my thing with the transgenderism. So we've glorified transgenderism.
And if you are are like every school shooter is
not mentally ill. I don't like that we just jumped
straight to mental illness and jump straight to mental health.

(01:17:38):
I'm like, no, no, no, no, some like this person was
just evil, like now sometimes they are like you, like,
you can see the you can see the prescriptions, you
can see the mental health.

Speaker 1 (01:17:46):
Like.

Speaker 2 (01:17:46):
But the the way, the best way I heard it
put was like, if you are a crazy person, let's
say you're schizophrenic or something like that, and you're in America,
you might think you're Jesus because we're still a pretty
Christian culture and stuff, and like that's gonna you're gonna
You're going to pick up the things that are in
your culture. But if you're crazy in India, you're not
going to think you're Jesus, because that's not that's not

(01:18:09):
in the culture. So, you know, you look at the number,
especially these school shooters that like were trans and then
weren't trands. Especially, you go, that's such a clear social
contagion kind of thing, like they picked up on that.
And then all you have to do is look at
the and I don't love I don't I really don't
like saying their names. I don't like giving them any
more notoriety and than they desire. Because this Minnesota one

(01:18:32):
that just happened, so obvious, what's going on? He wrote
the names of a bunch of other school shooters on
the magazines Malcom Gladwell really great to get to that actually,
and so yeah, and so that like to me, And
I've seen some studies that say basically every school shooter
gets about seventy five million dollars in free press afterwards,
especially if they die in the process, because we're trying

(01:18:53):
to without having that person to talk to at all
or get more information from, we just have to scour
their online presence and their social media and their manifestos,
and we get to theorize on what happens and what
happens you get like a situation in South Carolina where
on a school shooting. But was that North Carolina? South Carolina?
The guy that went to the black church and killed

(01:19:13):
a bunch of people, right, I won't recall. I think
it was North Carolina. I can't. Yeah, one of Carolina's
And you know he has this like racist website that
hates black people. I bet no one had ever been
to the website before and now it's on CNN. Well,
what do you think happens in that situation? More people
see that stuff, more people want influenced by it, people
want the notoriety, and over and over again. In these manifestos,

(01:19:35):
these last several ones specifically, they are literally talking about
the reason I did this is because I looked up
to these other people that did it and the notoriety
they got, and the media won't stop talking about it.
They know to do it with suicides, but they won't
do it with shootings.

Speaker 1 (01:19:49):
I think that's the case for some of these people
for sure, because you're always going to have copycatch and
always have people who are like into this serial killer culture. Now,
that's some of it, and we could also argue that
that is also that is also a trade of someone
who might be mentally ill. But I don't believe, as
you said earlier, that everything is mental illness. For example,

(01:20:10):
we just saw talk about just happened with the Catholic
school shooting. You just brought up. Yeah, that person if
you look, if you look through the if you look
through his journal, if you look to that person's journal
and you read everything that was going on, is drawing
of himself looking looking in the mirror, looking like a
demon or devil looking back at him. That was someone
who didn't feel that they were accepted. They didn't they

(01:20:33):
couldn't find their place in the world. They felt at
a place, they had nowhere to go, nowhere to talk to.
I think in a lot of cases that that's what
happens with some of these children or some of these
people that made become trans I don't think they're insane, no,
I just I just think that they don't know where
they where they belong. They don't, they don't. They thought
they were going to find their tribe and their people,
but then they ended up isolated they have they have

(01:20:53):
to find out that they can't trust anybody, They don't
feel like they could talk to anybody. All of this
kids bottled up and eventually they just feel like the
whole worlds against them. And then what's their solution. Fuck it,
I'm going to kill these people or in the case
of the Minneapoli shoot or what I thought, is he
specifically or sheet not trying to miss general.

Speaker 2 (01:21:11):
But it's too complicated again because I went back and forth,
and so I'm just like he exactly, and you don't person,
don't get the benefit of me saying you're pronoun you
want when you want kids. By the way, too, that's
just the other thing I don't care.

Speaker 1 (01:21:22):
I understood, but that person targeted children specifically because I
this is me theorizing'm a psychologists, but didn't want them
to make the decision that he was forced to, Like
he chose to become translated. He's probably trying to save
them from that. So I know I've been reading into this,
but when I read through everything, it really was like,
this is a person who's out of place, didn't feel
they belonged, patting over to turn and thought they were

(01:21:45):
doing something good by saving the children by doing that,
and yeah, that that is I mean, but there's so
much of.

Speaker 2 (01:21:49):
His stuff that talked about like how the true heroes
were the ones that killed as many as possible and
obviously kids are easy to kill it and like and
he was, you know, like it, Like I also think
that we don't.

Speaker 1 (01:21:59):
I think there's I think there's a lot of cope too,
though I think that was a lot of that was
him or her or whatever trying to justify what they
wanted to do.

Speaker 2 (01:22:09):
Yeah, And I think I also just think there's an
explanation of evil a lot of times too. I mean
I think that people like some people are just that
there's evil, like there's no there's no way you can
like there is no way to explain away killing kids.

Speaker 1 (01:22:22):
Will Oh no no no, that's not what I'm trying
to do.

Speaker 2 (01:22:24):
No no, no, no, I know you're not. I'm just saying
what I don't want to.

Speaker 1 (01:22:26):
Get to the root of it basically, right, I'm trying
to find out, like what is causing this, Like can't
can't we got to figure that out.

Speaker 2 (01:22:32):
Right, But when people go we need better mental health care,
I go, maybe, but that's not what prevented this from
being stopped. True, this guy with this person just evil
and they were very influenced by all of the media
talking about mass shooters all the time. And and the
reason I know that is because he told us, you
know what I mean, he literally like wrote their names

(01:22:52):
on it. And then you see like the Charlie Cooks
Kirk's Assassin Rights does the same thing. He writes on
the bullets rights on the magazines, and you go, that's
another version of like that was influenced by that last
guy just a few weeks ago that the he the
Trenick kirkis hasen made this up in a week. We
literally decided within a week to do this.

Speaker 1 (01:23:13):
We are a culture that normalized violence. I had this
discussion with the guest previously, literally and it's like it's
become normalized. And when you're looking at social media, it's
like entertainment for people. It is. They no longer look
at it and feel appalled by it. They're just like, oh,
you know, he should have done this to the guy,
or maybe he should have pulled the trigger, or they're
just they're just cheering on, you know, cheering it on

(01:23:34):
getting blown up by you know, a rocket or whatever
it is. I'm just and I will say, you know
what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:23:40):
Yeah, I will say Democrats did a pretty good job
with the Charlie Kirk reaction, like elected Democrats and people
in power and stuff, like most of them said all
the right things, including some celebrities that I mean, like,
I don't know if you heard, like the Jamie Lair
Curtis thing. She was like in teams on a podcast
talking about recently. Yeah, like right in the aftermath of it,
and it was, you know, I know she's like me,
She's like, I know, she's super liberal. I know she

(01:24:01):
disagrees with Truy kirkr and everything, but she was just
heartbroken by the fact that this guy was murdered for
talking and he's got kids and a wife and like
so dehumanizing when we cheer on violence. And I think
so in one way that reaction was like somewhat a
relief compared to like Luigi Mangoni situation, where there are

(01:24:23):
literally people still like like selling T shirts and they're
like again, like idolizing this guy. And you saw it
happen with the guy that went into the office. He
thought it was the NFL office he's on the wrong floor.
He ends up killing an executive at Black Rock, and
people are like, good right, because you don't like the
company she works for. You think that this mother deserved
to be murdered, and like that inhumane thing is like,

(01:24:46):
I don't know that we can come back from that.
And I thought maybe it, you know, I thought it
might be able to get dialed back with the Charlie
Kirk stuff. And it's been so disheartening to see Republicans
take advantage of it. Like I said, I think that
whole oral service is it's a sham for everything. I
don't think it was honoring to his wife. I don't
think it was honoring to him. I don't think it was.

(01:25:07):
I think it was about Donald Trump and Republicans, and
it's I've seen all sorts of Facebook stuff where people
are like, this is what we do and this is
what black people do. Is black lives matter? I mean,
I love you know, and I'm like, man, like you're
using it as like a bragadocious way. It's not honored.
Like I think Charlie Kirk would be appalled by Donald
Trump saying I like to hate my enemies instead, like

(01:25:28):
I said, like to his widow like, I mean, well,
but he was not, it's not and and and then
seeing Republicans defend it as a joke, I just I laughed.
So I love it when he's on. I love that
he's honest, and I'm like that, yes, it's honest, but
like it's so wildly inappropriate in the fact that we
don't have the humanity to even see. I hope she's

(01:25:51):
the one hope I have, Like she could be the
person that comes out and been like, how dare you.
I don't think she will, And I don't think.

Speaker 1 (01:25:58):
It's I think she feels a pressure. I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:26:00):
Yeah, I don't think it's her responsibility. I think the
people that are anyone pressuring her to do anything right
now is wrong. In my opinion, I would never pressure
her to do anything.

Speaker 1 (01:26:08):
Well, that's what I think happened. Like I think I
think Republican Party, or at least a party of Trump,
saw this as an opportunity, absolutely, and they put the
pressure on her to turn this into what it was.
I don't think this is what she really wanted.

Speaker 2 (01:26:19):
No, and I totally agree, But she could be the
person that comes out and says, hey, I'm the person
that was really affected by this, And what I don't
want is republic likel call out Republicans that are taking
advantage of it. Call out Republicans for saying Charlie Kirk
would have been furious at the idea of Trump's SCC
chair threatening to take away people's broadcast license because they

(01:26:40):
said something bad about either even Charlie or Donald Trump,
like Charlie did not like I disagreed with him a
lot of stuff. I absolutely believe that he believed in
free speech in a way that he did not want
to silence his critics. I've never seen any evidence that
he wanted to do that, and I would love to
see her step up and do that. I don't expect
her too if she doesn't, because she's the victim here.

(01:27:05):
But that's kind of my last Like or Spencer Cox,
the governor of Utah, said all the right things in
the wake of it, and he was really like proof
like what a leader should be. But guess who he
got a call from right after he said those remarks
that were like, this is an attack on free speech,
and this is an attack on all of us. Donald
Trump calls him and says, you know, they want to

(01:27:27):
kill us right, Like, Trump's furious that Spencer, like he
didn't get up there and use it as an opportunity
to bash the left. And and while he called out
the stuff, he laid out the facts and he said
the left isn't he talked about the embrace of violence
and stuff, And unfortunately, I feel like people like him
have no future in this party. I hope I'm wrong
about that. I want to be optimistic, but it's very

(01:27:49):
hard to look at what will happen in twenty twenty
eight and and see there's a silver lining somewhere. And
I also don't think Democrats are going to have it
together either. I think it's like, no, they're not going
to have to go, and so I don't. I just
don't have a lot of hope that we will. It's
going to take leaders that actually stand up and say, like,
this is the right thing to do, even if it
cost me power, even if it cost me popularity.

Speaker 1 (01:28:11):
Okay, but we're being hopeful because we you and I
both said that in different ways, and I think you
and I both agree there. But unfortunately we know no
one's going to want to give up the power for example, right, Yeah,
I'm with you.

Speaker 2 (01:28:28):
And maybe someone will and maybe we will demand that
at some point. Maybe I want to do something.

Speaker 1 (01:28:32):
Yeah, because I think on this issue, you're correct. I
think we both are in a grants, we just came
at it from different angles, but I'm with you on it.
I think you're correct. But what I want to do,
I want to circle back a bit because it's kind
of come up here and there through our discussion. Okay,
when we're talking about school shootings, we're talking about shootings

(01:28:53):
in general. I got to go to the guns, and
it kind of came up a little bit in the
beginning of our conversation, but we didn't really grab onto it.
So I'm going to that's do it, because, like you said,
in California, California, no matter where you go, you can't
just walk into a Walmart and just buy a gun. Correct.
So the whole bullshit about everybody's saying we need common
sense gun laws, it's it's my favorite term. Oh good,

(01:29:15):
But do we not already have the process? Yeah, thoughts,
I'm sure.

Speaker 2 (01:29:22):
Well, Okay, the simplest version of the gun control debate
that I have with almost everyone that brings this up
to me is, first of all, we have a lot
of common sense laws that we don't enforce right now. So,
for example, you lie on a background check, you're fellon.
You're not supposed to have a gun. You lie on
the background check, we have a literally a form with
your signature on it that says you're allowed to buy
a gun, and that you knew you weren't supposed to do.

(01:29:44):
You know how often we prosecute that, like zero point
two percent of the time. I'm going to mess up
the numbers here. It was something like there was one
year where there were I want to say there were
like one hundred. It might not have been one year,
might have been a series of years. There was like
one hundred thousand forms that they knew that like felons
had tried to like buy guns or whatever. They investigated
like twelve hundred of them and prosecuted like two of them.

(01:30:09):
Hunter Biden got railroaded with his thing because they really
they never prosecute people for lying on that gun for him,
And so that's where I'm like, that's selective prosecution when
you say, oh, we're gonna apply this gun law that
we don't apply to anyone else straw purchases or another
one where if like if if I buy a gun,
because I know I'm allowed to buy a gun and
I felt the background check, but really I'm just buying it.

(01:30:31):
And then you're gonna give me the money and you're
not allowed to have a gun, and I'm just passing
it along to you. That's a straw purchase. Do you
know how often we prosecute that? Almost never, because do
you know who most of the people that do straw
purchases are. It's like girlfriends and moms and relatives of
gang bangers, like and so, we don't want to prosecute
moms and girlfriends, right and so. And the only times

(01:30:51):
we've done is like the San Bernardino shooting, that was
one where there was a straw purchase, and like these
were obviously like not even Americans weren't allowed to have guns.
He kind of knew they were going to do it
for a terrorist attack. That's the last prosecution I've heard
of of a straw purchase. And we'll also get one
for the New York one. It was his boss's straw purchase.
But they did go after the parent I forgot, which

(01:31:11):
yes they did. Yeah, And that is a situation where again,
you know what I'm talking about. But that's a novel law,
that's actually a new that's a fairly new law.

Speaker 1 (01:31:21):
Red flag laws. We have red flag laws.

Speaker 2 (01:31:23):
They don't. They've not prevented a single shooting that we
know of. Now, I know that's a little hard to disprove,
but like Minnesota has red flag laws, it didn't help
in this case because it still requires someone to go
to law enforcement. Beyond that, the church shooting that happened
in Texas was a.

Speaker 1 (01:31:37):
Navy a guy.

Speaker 2 (01:31:39):
That guy kicked out of the Navy for beating his
wife and was supposed to not be on the registry
and the Navy just somehow messed up the paperwork and
never put him in the NIXT system. So yeah, he
wouldn't have passed the background check if the Navy did
their job right. So again government ineptitude.

Speaker 1 (01:31:54):
But so so there's there's okay, but there's there's gun
laws in place. You can't just walk into purchase. You know,
you just said that. You just said that, and you're right,
but they don't investigate the the times where people circumvent willingly.
But what also is not being spoken of, And I
actually went over this with a XDE agent that I

(01:32:16):
had here and we talked. No one's talking about the
amount of black market guns that are sold but purchased
legally kind of from actual gun shops by cartels doing
what you said earlier, Mom's girlfriends, brothers, whoever, going purchasing
these weapons going back to the cartels and then flood

(01:32:37):
in the streets in the black market. So even even
though we have these alls to control people from illegally
buying them from legal gun dealers, we're not stopping the
cartels from circumvanced system by having the brother, cousin, aunt,
uncle that does not have a record from being influenced
and forced to buy these weapons and pumping them back

(01:32:59):
into the streets.

Speaker 2 (01:33:00):
Well, and most of them are stolen too. I mean
that's the other thing. It's like ninety percent of gun
jews and crimes are stolen. So it's like, well, there's
a problem there. I think the solution that is so
obvious and I don't understand why it's not happening, is
like you just take violent crime very very seriously. If
someone gets arrested with a gun that's not supposed to

(01:33:21):
have a gun. I am not normally for mandatory minimums,
but I think that's one where I am. I'm like,
if we've said you're not allowed to have a gun
and you have one, like specifically you're a felon that's
not supposed to have a gun, right and you have one,
You're going to jail period, Like no, and you can't
plee it down, you can't do anything. It's like three years,
five whatever it is. We pick the You will definitely

(01:33:42):
go to jail if you get caught, if you use
it in a violent crime, if you're robbing a liquor store,
if you threaten your wife with it, if you whatever.
Like we don't take domestic abuse seriously, and most violence escalates.
Most people don't just snap and murder someone. They threaten
someone and then they build it actually physically hurt someone,
and we just keep giving it a pass. And it

(01:34:02):
doesn't help that on the political side, we give it
a pass when it's on our side or the left
doesn't want to. Like the truth is black people like
talk about DC because Trump did the whole National Guard stuff.
We look at a crime in DC, it's all in
two wards. They know that it's about five hundred people.
They know the names of that cause most of the
crimes in the city. People get arrested over and over

(01:34:24):
and over and again. You've got a DA that's not
willing to prosecute because they're worried it looks like I
don't care about black people. Well, gets who the victims are.
They're also black people. So ninety six percent of the
victims of violent gun violence, specifically in DC, ninety six
percent of them are black. You are not protecting or
caring about black people if you don't arrest the people

(01:34:45):
that are shooting black people. They happen to also be black.
But like every black resident of DC that's not a
criminal would love for the people that are murdering their
children to be in jail. And that's the problem is
we keep playing this game of life. Well, we've got
to defund the police or the left is saying like, oh,
well you can't, we can't have desperate outcomes. Well, look,

(01:35:06):
I don't know all the sociological reasons that that some
young black men choose crime more than other races, but
they're also like disproportionately the victims of those crimes, like
the if you are fifteen to thirty years old and
you're a black male in the United States or sorry,
in DC specifically, you have the same chance of dying

(01:35:28):
that our soldiers did in Iraq and Afghanistan. That is
the percentages that we're playing with. You're literally asking these
people to grow up in war zones and you're and
the only the only we don't have some enemy that
we're trying to fight.

Speaker 1 (01:35:42):
You could lock those people up the second you catch.

Speaker 2 (01:35:44):
Them with a gun. We do not take violence. You
said we're a violent country.

Speaker 1 (01:35:48):
We are.

Speaker 2 (01:35:48):
We're gonna be more violent than every country we've even
wore one hundred years ago, two hundred years ago. But
we don't take violent crime seriously until it escalates to murder,
and even then we excuse it sometimes. And so to me,
all you would have to do is like make criminals
understand that if they do something illegal and they have
a gun illegally, they are definitely going to jail. Increase

(01:36:09):
the chance of it happening. You don't have to increase
the sentences. The sentences could even be lower. But if
you increase the chance, like they know if they get caught,
they're going to jail and they're not going to be
this revolving door, I think you will see a reduce,
a reduction in gun violence. And I also think you
have to do that with school shooters too. I think
you have to increase the chances that they're going to

(01:36:29):
get shot before they get a chance to kill a
bunch of people. And going back to the manifesto of
the Minnesota shooter, he was calling the guy in Indianapolis
basically a punk because and several other ones that went
into a place that got shot by a concealed carry holder,
and he's basically saying like they're losers. Well, I mean,
that's a great way to influence people to not do it.
You might get shot by someone.

Speaker 1 (01:36:51):
So oversimplified obviously, but no, that's over sumplification because if
first place, I would give it if people, if people
are not getting punished appropriately for the misdeeds, then of
course there's never gonna be a there's never gonna be
a correction of the action. Right now, as far as

(01:37:12):
gun violence goes, now we're talking about gun violence, it's
it's disproportionate in terms of how it's being presented to
everybody because they just look at the problem being the gun.
Right But I could put the gun on my desk,
never look at it, and it's not going to do anything,
it will never hurt you. I'm just saying, and I
know people think that's an asshole way of saying it,
but it's true. The the thing that you were talking

(01:37:34):
about earlier that the people in DC. It's kind of
the point that a cop doesn't want to do anything,
or a DA or whatever because they don't want to
be the d being racist. Correct.

Speaker 2 (01:37:45):
And by the way, it's not even the DA in
d C. It's the US Attorney's Office, so d yeah,
the president has a direct line to tell that person
what to do and to not do it.

Speaker 1 (01:37:54):
But even just using a DA's example in other cities
like talking about Chicago, Oakland, wherever, but you're right, yeah,
in DC, it's actually the president. It's like right there,
like they have they have control. Uh So. The the
problem though is with the with people like you're talking
about the black community, but it could be anything. It
could be the Hispanic community, it could be the Chinese,
it could be the mom community which has a huge

(01:38:15):
gang problem as well. You get born into this area
and it's hard for to get out, Like they're influenced
by opportunity that they don't have. They see fast money,
which looks like fast money ayway, and then what you
were saying earlier about the media, it's like rap music, videos,
everything else glorifying this behavior. You've got people like basketball

(01:38:35):
players glorifying this showing them what you know, they're giant
chains and they're and whatever it is they have that
they're just glorifying.

Speaker 2 (01:38:42):
Like John Moran is a great example of like why
you are not like, you're not inner city, you didn't
grow up poor like right like, and yet you're like
you're like buying into that gun gangster culture when you're
like you're a million I.

Speaker 1 (01:38:54):
Mean, players ended up getting getting a residor charge for having,
you know, carry a gun or even murdering people in
a club, and it's crazy that they're buying into. So
it's something that we have changed. It's a cultural change
that has to happen.

Speaker 2 (01:39:08):
And I think you've got to look at every single
one of those kind of crimes differently, because suicides are
two thirds of gun deaths, I know, and the same
thing that works for solving gang violence isn't going to
solve suicides, isn't going to solve mass shootings, isn't going
to solve domestic violence. And you have to look at
all of them as individual Like we just look at
the big number and go, it's guns because that's the

(01:39:31):
only common denominator.

Speaker 1 (01:39:32):
And what you said is quick because like a lot
of people don't even realize that Gundest's a leading cause
is actually suicides. People don't even realize that.

Speaker 2 (01:39:38):
Yeah, And that's what I don't like about a lot
of the statistics on guns is that they're wildly misinforming people.
It's not that they're lies, it's that they're Like, if
you don't mention that two thirds of gun deaths are suicides,
you're not really wanting to tackle the problem. You just
don't like guns, because I just think you tackle those
two totally different ways. I think something like a three
day waiting period my cause suicides to go down. Am

(01:40:02):
I not? I don't know. And I also don't think
that's an infringement on anyone's Second Amendment rights as long
as you had a carve out for if someone was
truly scared of, like in a domestic violent situation or
something like that, you could have exceptions to that. I
would think of that sort of like a red flag thing.
But it's like you've got different solutions for different problems right, right,
But most people aren't having honest conversations.

Speaker 1 (01:40:21):
About a gang violence thing with guns. So in your opinion,
there's no right or wrong because none of us are qualified.
I don't think maybe you are. I don't know. I'm
not qualified, but I mean, I don't know if I
am either. We'll say, what is a solution of changing
the culture, you know, to where that that is no
longer glorified? Like obviously you know it's helping to create

(01:40:43):
a pathway to opportunities to where they don't feel they
have turned to that yep, But how well I think
we how do we break that cycle?

Speaker 2 (01:40:51):
I think the punishment part is an important part of
it because you have to and like I said at
there are varying degrees of that. If you catch a
fifteen year old with a gun, I'm not saying we
throw them in jail, even necessarily, like, but like, there
needs to be an intervention of some sort there. And
the other biggest problem is, I mean, some of the

(01:41:11):
that Malcolm Gladwell article I mentioned was I think it
was in the New Yorker. It's from a long time ago,
but it was talking about the contagion of school shootings.
And what they found is like when they could discover
that someone was like being you know, like I said,
we see red flags all the time where we go,
Like I mean, I've known people around like I will

(01:41:31):
not be surprised if I find out at some point,
like if I turn on the news and they've murdered someone,
like I just I think they give me the creeps
or whatever it might be, or those situations they're drawing
stuff or whatever. Like that's the point to intervene and
not to like scare them, just to be like, hey,
like I'm seeing this behavior. I'm seeing it's you know,
are you upset about something like what? Like that is

(01:41:53):
when you have to intervene. And unfortunately there's not a
sexy law that can do that.

Speaker 1 (01:41:57):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:41:58):
That is like case by case that it does take
like people talking about it, it takes people taking the
escalation to violence seriously. A lot of the more disturbed
school shooters did stuff like shot animals before, or shot
pellet guns at people, or did some sort of violent
activity before it rose to the level of like someone
actually getting hurt. Some of the shooters have done things

(01:42:20):
like discharged a weapon or like brandished a weapon like
those are things where like, no, we got to take
that more seriously. Like I'm a gun owner. I carry
a gun, but like, I do not like gun owners
being irresponsible because.

Speaker 1 (01:42:32):
Where's the intervention though, Is it just law enforcement or
out of the parents?

Speaker 2 (01:42:37):
I think, well, I think parents are a much bigger
part of conversation than we ever talked about. But again,
the left doesn't like to believe that you need two parents.
I even just read an article yesterday trying to sort
of debunk that like two parent households are better because
they were like, well, but if you look at the
first of all, they lied about some of the statistics.
They were claiming half of black children are in two

(01:42:57):
parent households, it's forty two percent. I'm not saying you're
c but I'm it's a little different. And they're like, well,
even when you compare for that, they have worse outcomes
than white kids in two parent households. And I go, Okay,
that could be true, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't
encourage two parent households. Like it's like, all the data
shows that kids are much better off in two parent households,

(01:43:18):
And that is not to say that if you are divorced,
you are a bad person, or you know, especially you're
an abusive relationship, or their abusing, Like there are all
sorts of reasons, but it's just that you are giving
your kid a disadvantage. Like that's just part of it. Now,
kids are resilient, and there's all I know so many
people that had terrible childhoods and have turned out to

(01:43:41):
be wonderful people. They're not murdering, they're not violent, they're
not any of those things. And but it's because other
people stepped up. The government can't do that. The government
cannot love your kid. The government cannot love them right.
The government cannot even really I don't think the government
can really protect you from bad parenting until it like rises.

Speaker 1 (01:43:59):
To the level of abuse.

Speaker 2 (01:44:01):
And so it's something that we can arrest a parent
for or take kids away from the parents. It's drug addiction,
it's abuse, it's like all these kind of things. Like
the state I think should step in in those situations.
And but you cannot make people be good parents with
some government program. Now you can try to encourage. I
think we should encourage I mean, for lots of reasons

(01:44:22):
that we could get into. I think we need a
higher birth rate because we're just not replacing ourselves. Even
I mean there's all sorts of economic and all sorts
of reasons for.

Speaker 1 (01:44:29):
That too, But that's true. That's a true statement, Like.

Speaker 2 (01:44:31):
We need more kids that have two parents that love
them and they know support them. And I just see
the like it's not anecdotal evidence like in the evidence
shows like two parent households, those kids fare better in
every way, in academics, in career, in money made over
their lifetime, in all sorts of ways. They do better

(01:44:54):
across races. Now, like I said, there's still disparity there,
but like then you go to the next level and
you say, Okay, well, like that's one level, what's the
next level? Well maybe there is. I mean, honestly, I
think the biggest problem with a lot of it is
I think there's a lot of like soft racism of
like these sort of low expectations of black kids. It's
like that's a thing. You're right, California's graduating kids that

(01:45:16):
can't read. That's not that kid's fault.

Speaker 1 (01:45:19):
That's not helping the kid either.

Speaker 2 (01:45:20):
The state failed him by saying, well, we've got to
pass him along, we got to keep him moving along
or else we look bad. And like if he doesn't
do if we don't cheat these test scores to get
him graduated, we get less funding or whatever. And like
the motivations are all so perverse. And but like the
state failed that kid. If you graduate from high school
in California, who has more a higher GDP than basically

(01:45:43):
all but like four countries in the world. I think,
like if it was his own country, right in that.

Speaker 1 (01:45:48):
State in the world or something like that, the school.

Speaker 2 (01:45:51):
Is graduating people that can't read, and they're getting to
college and college professors. They're even getting to college. That's
what's crazy. They're like going to college and then like
someone realizes they can't read.

Speaker 1 (01:46:00):
I've seen it. I can't. I'm all saying too much,
but I'll just say I've seen it. I know.

Speaker 2 (01:46:05):
And so what bothers me about the race stuff specifically
so much is that the Democratic Party I think has
just taken advantage of having the black vote and just
and just been like, well, we just have that in
the bag, and like, but what have they done for
black people? Like they said black lives matter, and they
put black things on their Instagram profiles, and.

Speaker 1 (01:46:22):
They say a lot of stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:46:24):
But I don't see a lot of actions making black
people's lives better by the Democratic Party. I really don't.
I mean, and I don't think Republicans have I think
Republicans are too stupid or you know, Donald Trump is
a good example of someone who just thought he had
to be racist to be a Republican. That's just what
he assumed, which is also crazy. I don't think most
Republicans are racist. I think there are more now than

(01:46:45):
there were eight years ago. I think it's more towards
Jews than black people. But I think it's there's there's
all this animosity, and I just think that, you know,
Donald Trump sort of too. I mean, he increased his
vote in every demographic other than white college educated women women.
That's the only that's the only demographic that he lost
vote on from twenty that's true twenty to twenty twenty four.

(01:47:08):
And so I mean he did expand that a little bit.
I don't think it's as I think Republicans are kind
of like celebrating a little early that they like have
that in the bag for forever. I mean, I think
Democrats had some reason to believe that sort of demographic
was destiny in some of the way, but I think
they were they ended up being wrong, but they didn't.
I don't think they were crazy to think. But like it,

(01:47:29):
these people in the bag forever.

Speaker 1 (01:47:31):
Because at some point you could only lead them around
like you only you can only lead them by a
carrot for so long until you actually let them have
the damn care. You got to do something for them, yeah,
you know.

Speaker 2 (01:47:41):
And the other thing I don't like is that I
think democrats a they talk down to black people all
the time. I'm just I'm specifically picking that minority group
just because they are so disproportionately affected by crime and
by poverty and by violence, and and like they it
just this, it's a fact, they just are. But I
think of them as the victims of that stuff when

(01:48:02):
you you know, because there are more black victims than
there are perpetrators of those crimes. Like if some gangbanger
shoots another kid, like even if that person goes to jail,
that kind of affects them. But like the victim, it's
like their family and their neighborhood and maybe the store
closes because it's too dangerous to be in, and now

(01:48:22):
these people have to travel further and their stuff gets
more expensive because people are breaking into it. There's all
these factors that happen that I don't see that the
Democratic card has like offered a lot of real good
solutions for even down to like with abortion stuff, planned
parenthood puts people puts planned parenthood places in poor black
neighborhoods more than they put them in other places. And

(01:48:43):
you just go, why, Like that's what is Are you
helping black people or are you helping exterminate black people?
Because I mean that's how I look at it. I'm like,
there's been more black babies aborted than born, and so
I go, your population would increase if that didn't happen.
I think most of them are fooled in believing they
don't have another choice other than that because.

Speaker 1 (01:49:03):
They might not, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:49:04):
And I just think that, like all of those things combined,
show me a Democratic party that has taken advantage of
having black people, including trying to tell black people what
they even when they disagree with them, they tell them
they're wrong. So voter ID is a great example. Democrats
say it's racist, right, It's like eighty percent of black
people say, yeah, we're for voter ID. We think it's

(01:49:24):
a good idea. Why would you check again, you're expecting
black people to not be what smart enough to go
get an ID Like.

Speaker 1 (01:49:32):
That's racist, that's like, that's prejudice. Yeah, look, a lot
of what you said goes back to what we were
kind of saying earlier about how do we change the culture. Right,
let's say on the black community. We're just talking by
the way, everybody were just talking about because it came
up with the gun violence.

Speaker 2 (01:49:47):
I just can't Yeah, and like I said, they are
victims of zero on everybody.

Speaker 1 (01:49:52):
Listen, what you said is correct about the Democrat Party
when it came to the black demographic. They say that
they're for them, they're for the black demographic, but they
haven't offered solutions. Like if they're offering solutions, they would
have created opportunity from so they wouldn't have to be
reliant in this on this vicious circle of violence and
where they think that that's the only option for them

(01:50:14):
to get ahead and earn whatever money they think they
can get through violence, right and crime. That's the big
thing I see is they're not creating a real opportunity
and they also have gotten away to what we were
discussing earlier. The family unit, letting parents have control and
feeling like they have a support to be able to
nurture their children. Yeah, to raise them correctly. That's not

(01:50:35):
there the two things that Democrat Party failed to do
with the black community.

Speaker 2 (01:50:42):
And look at what happened when Barack Obama, as president
in the United States, as the first black president of
the United States, calls out black fatherlessness as being a problem,
like there should be no one more appropriate for that.
And what does Jesse Jackson do. He goes on TV
and on a hot mic says he wants to cut
his balls off. He can't believe he's said that. You
don't really care. Again, like like it just shows that

(01:51:05):
it's a grift, Like even even Jesse Jackson's it's a
race hustle. And because otherwise you would go, like to me,
I had this hope that like it would be great
to have like a black leader. And and like there
have been other ones that have done this kind of
thing and they normally get, you know, kind of crucified
for it. So why would they go out on a

(01:51:26):
limb and say that when it's and and again it's
interesting to in that situation, was Jesse Jackson who's also black.
So I'll always give them that. Most of the time,
it's white people telling black people how to think, and
that if they don't think the same way they do,
their the problem. Whether that's photo I D laws or
pick pick anything, pick a police. Defund the police is

(01:51:46):
another one. It's like they got all on this, like
Black Lives Matter, defund the police, and most black people
in those communities were not saying defund the police. They
were going, uh, we would like more police, Like we
live in this every day. You get a you get
a like from your ivory tower. Uh, tell us how
to live, Like, we're the ones, like whose kids are
getting murdered, We're the we're the ones who deal with
this crime. We're the deal with like like and so,

(01:52:08):
and you're telling us the solutions. We should just get
rid of all police. Like you're not even asking us
what we want from this, and like that's what infuriates me,
and I know it's.

Speaker 1 (01:52:16):
It's let's let's circle this back. So basically, after everything's
said and done, we we don't really have a gun problem.
We have a cultural problem. We have we have we
have a problem in culture and community that needs to
be addressed.

Speaker 2 (01:52:33):
Yeah, really, yeah, I mean I think we do have
a violence problem that gets escalated because guns are such
an easy way to commit violence.

Speaker 1 (01:52:41):
Okay, does that make sense? Like, no, it does, but
it contributes to here. Here's here's my here's my slight pushback. So,
all things equal and considered, UK, you're not supposed to
have a gun. If you look at the murder rates,
if you take suicides away, et cetera, and you look
at the actual murder rates of the country per capita,
we're not that far apart.

Speaker 2 (01:53:03):
No, But when you when you pull in all violent crime,
it's it is and it always has been for the
history of our entire nation. Like we are a more
rebellious and more I understand.

Speaker 1 (01:53:12):
But when if you look at the murder rates and
I don't know what they are now, this is when
I this was, I mean, I don't forgot when I
did this, But when you look at it, they were
not that far apart. If you're looking at population per
capita U case, there was there was a huge amount
of stabbing deaths, and then where there wasn't stabbings in
other countries, it was by any other means. And my

(01:53:33):
point being, Blake is crazy We'll find a way to
be crazy. Period. They're gonna if if they're if they're
intent on killing and their intent on causing havoc and
and you know, committing crimes, they will do it. They
will find a way to do it.

Speaker 2 (01:53:48):
Right, look at people driving like vehicles in crowds of
people and stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:53:52):
Now, the guns make a statement because they're pretty finite.
I mean, it's well, and there's a there.

Speaker 2 (01:54:01):
Is the I mean again, another thing with it, going
back to the contagion thing, is it's a media problem
in the sense that like when it's an arr it
seems so much scarier, like and and most of people
I know that are ignorant on guns, and not because
they're stupid, just because like they don't own them. They
don't want to, And that's fine, Like I don't. It's
totally right to do whatever you want to. When I

(01:54:22):
actually explain what the differences are between like an ar
and the rifle, well not really them, maybe not the
right host bolt action, but so but my point is like,
and then you look at the actual stats, like do
you know how many people are murdered by all rifles
in the country. It's uh, it's less than it's less
than two percent of all the murders in mostly in
the countries as opposed to handguns and shotguns. And honestly,

(01:54:45):
more people are murdered by fists than they are by
rifles in the United States every year. So but like
most people, you know, most people don't because it's just
not like that's not sexy. No one, like, no one
is scared, Like the local news is always going to run.
Someone got shot over, someone got beat up, even if
they got murdered with those hands. If someone choked someone

(01:55:06):
to death, which happened like by all, also happens more
often then than murders by long guns.

Speaker 1 (01:55:12):
I don't know how much more scary is that though,
when you think about the commitment of actually killing someone
with your bare hands, I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:55:17):
Right, And that's the other problem is yeah, so that's
where like guns do. Like the one thing I will
give the caveat is that guns do make it a
lot easier to have a well, I'm a huge Batman fan,
and she probably gets by the Batman stuff behind me
the Dark Knight quote of like you know him liking
to stab people because it's like so personal, right, and

(01:55:38):
like there's something like creepy to that, because it's true,
like it would take Like I don't know if I
could shoot someone if my life life was in danger.
I think it would still be a lot harder to
stab someone. For me, I think it would be that
feels a lot more real than firing a gun at someone.

Speaker 1 (01:55:53):
It's more connected to it. Right, it's you physically, you know,
having to plunge that instrument versus you're from Afar and
plowing a trigger and then you got to yep, projectile
doing it for you.

Speaker 2 (01:56:02):
Yeah, and so like to that degree, I would say, yeah,
it makes stuff a little bit easier. But at the
same time, and there's four hundred million of them in
the United States too, the crazy right, but the the
like again that doesn't We have got lots of things
that can kill us, you know, and most of them
do more than those guns do. And really, and the

(01:56:25):
other problem is, like I said, we're looking at we
like most people have an outsized idea of how often
school shootings happening. Like I don't think we should do
school shooter drills in schools because kids are more likely
literally statistically more likely to die walking to school than
they are to ever be in a school shooting, not
die in a school shooting, like be at a school
where a school shooting happens, like it's just like it

(01:56:45):
doesn't really happen. And even the number you rattled off
earlier that includes like the school resource officer accidentally discharging
his weapon on the school girls, they count that as
school shooting, it's really only like a hundred something. I
don't have the exact number. I'm going to try to
pull it out, but it's only like one hundred and
something since nineteen eighty when you actually look at mass
casually events.

Speaker 1 (01:57:06):
The thing with the school shootings too, is like they
already look okay, schools are really looked like prisons right now.
They really do. They're all fenced off, they're guarded. High
schools have police officers.

Speaker 2 (01:57:17):
I mean, my daughter has to go through a metal
detector in middle school at a small school. It's not
it's crazy and still to think and still to think
what we were talking about earlier, that pretty much the majority,
if not ninety, so I don't know the exact percentage,
but it is committed by other students. So who you're
telling what the plan is if a school shooter comes
into the building crazy. I also go you're telegraphing what

(01:57:40):
to like there should that just it's a bad plan,
you know what I mean. And I also think.

Speaker 1 (01:57:45):
It's traumatizing kids because they you know, after they do
a drill, they're going home thinking, hey, mom, am I
going to die? Like what's really talking about?

Speaker 2 (01:57:52):
And so I think of it like seat belts. I
tell my kids to put their seat belts in the car,
not because I think we're I don't tell them, hey,
we might get in a fiery car crash and you'll
die if you don't have a seatbelt on. I don't
say that every time I get in the car. It's like,
if we get in a wreck, it's the safest possible
situation is for you to be in a seatbelt or
car seat or whatever the situation is. I don't want

(01:58:13):
you to be scared of getting in a car every
time you get in a car. And the way we
talk about school shootings, you've got people that literally have
this anxiety that it's going to happen to them and
it's just not statistically very likely to And I'm not
saying I'm not doing that to downplay the tragedy of
it happening. But it does have an outsized level of fear,
which also includes that notoriety influences more people to do it.

Speaker 1 (01:58:36):
That's a reason it normalizes it and normalizes the idea
of it. Right.

Speaker 2 (01:58:40):
It basically says, this happens all the time, there's nothing
you can do about it. And I think that that
is such a bad mentality, and I think the right
has done a little bit too much of I think
there are really obvious solutions to even solving school shooting stuff.
I think it's like the best one. I've read a
blog called hand Wavering free Gatory, which you can imagine
and is right up my alley as far as all
you talks about. It's like the things people freak out

(01:59:01):
about but are really not worth freaking out about. And
specifically he talks about how look, why would you not?
Like I did the math on this, It would cost
something like less than a billion dollars I think, or
something a year. It's not very much money when you're
looking at the federal budget. You just put like an
ex marine at every high school in America, like in

(01:59:22):
the full things with the ar like at the door,
like do you think anyone's gonna go to that? School, No, no,
because they know they're gonna get sniped immediately by the
guy that's better trained than them. And it's like, doesn't
cost that much money. And then but the real every
time I bring that up to someone that's like more
just totally anti gun, they're like, we shouldn't have to,

(01:59:44):
and then they get into a moral thing. I'm like, okay,
like great, be on your soapbox and talk about that.
I think another pretty good solution would be if I
had control, if I was a school district, I would
have a news conference and I would have press releases
and all this stuff about we're training teachers, they're going
to carry guns. You're not going to know who they are.
But like, we're gonna have a sign outside that doesn't
say it's a gun free zone. We're gonna say we

(02:00:05):
have armed teachers here. You're not allowed to bring a
gun in, but there are armed teachers here. I don't
think you'd even have to train one teacher. I think
if you've literally had the press conference and pretended to
do it, your school would no longer be on the
list of places people would go shoot up like there
are and like it sounds like a really silly solution,
but like I think it's a real solution. You just
like look at the manifestos and again, why why could

(02:00:27):
we not hire National Guard or ex military people people
will be trust to just like go do it. And
I think that you could. I think you would see
a draft. I think if like perfect. First of all,
it's a perfect thing for Donald Trump to do. It's
right up as AALI loves using the military for things
that we kind of have qualms about. Like I said,
make it ex people like make it former Marines. They're

(02:00:47):
not like they're really just the resource officer. They're just
not the fat guy that can't be a real cop.
They're like, and pay them, well, pay them eighty I
think I did the math on if you paid them
eighty thousand dollars a year, which is pretty pretty good
amount of money for sitting at a school right basically
being a security officer. Make it a hundred thousand.

Speaker 1 (02:01:02):
Do you think we're having like full fatigues and everything too.

Speaker 2 (02:01:04):
Yep, I'm saying, like the full on the whole, the uniform,
the ar, all the best stuff chapstick over here, like
all of it, like make it look like I went
to my sister in law. I just graduated from the
Naval Academy and we went to a graduation where Jade
Vance was speaking. Can you imagine what the security was

(02:01:25):
like to get in the First of all, it was
wildly disorganized because they probably fired everyone. They did it
the year before, so it took us three hours to
get in the stadium and anyway, but like you knew
like they were and this is a place they guard
all the time because it's you know, it's the stadium
that the president or vice president speaks that every year
at this graduation. They should know how to do this.
But yeah, everyone there is like in full on, Like

(02:01:46):
no one's messing around. You don't have any like fat
cops there like with their right their little revolver, and
like everyone was like full gear. And I'm just saying
there's a seriousness that people take. And like what I like,
I said I don't like is the pushback from people
that are really anti gun is that they're just like,
we shouldn't have to do that, we shouldn't have to
fortify our schools. I'm like, I agree, I wish we

(02:02:08):
were in a world where we didn't have to do this.
But wouldn't you rather do the thing that prevents it
from happening, than have the moral high ground of kids
not having to see a gun on campus. First of all,
I don't think like everyone already has the like resource officers,
they're just poorly trained, they're not.

Speaker 1 (02:02:25):
But we we still have to we still have to
address the issue of the majority of school shooters being
you know, carried out by other students.

Speaker 2 (02:02:33):
Yeah, okay, at Max, there have been one hundred and
ninety one active school shooter incidents at K twelve since
nineteen eighty. That's like active shooter, you know, like it's indiscriminate.

Speaker 1 (02:02:42):
It's just about actually deliberate mass shootings versus.

Speaker 2 (02:02:46):
In those there. And keep in mind I wrote this
this is probably a year old, so there might be
a couple more than that that. Of those since nineteen eighty,
one hundred and forty eight student fatalities and four hundred
and fifty wounded. That is not when people call it
an epidemic. Like I said, more kids have died walking
to school and that amount of time, more kids have
died in the car rides on the way to school.
More kids have died like there are also more kids

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of death probably died drowning I imagine, I mean like
way more, you know, and like swimming pools are the
most dangerous thing that we have around everywhere, and like
more people die of accidental drowning than almost anything. It's
like small kids and older adults generally. But and again
we go, how could we make that better? Well, most
state laws now have a thing. It's like building, you
got to put a fence around it where a kid

(02:03:29):
can't get into it. Like there's some really just smart
things that you can go. That's an easy thing to
prevent a kid from falling in a pool. And I
look at school shootings the same way where I go,
And that's why I say the media is to blame
no one. Everyone would overestimate that number. If I pulled
one hundred people on the street, everyone would think there'd
been more than one hundred and ninety one shootings. And
everyone would think that more than one hundred and forty

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eight kids have died and more than four and fifty
and been wounded. And I'm not saying all of those
aren't tragedies. None of those should have ever happened. But
there are like forty other problems that are more important.
But I think this is just such an like I said,
put armed guards outside, you're done, and make them be
people that are already really well trained militarily. And E said,
I think it's something that's right up Donald Trump's alley.

(02:04:13):
I think it would be actually a great thing to try,
like just get the states to go in. Like here's
what I think would happened. The realistic version of this
is Donald Trump gets all the Red state Republicans to
have the National Guard.

Speaker 1 (02:04:25):
Do that.

Speaker 2 (02:04:26):
You just post one guy out of every high school.
What I think you would see is a real time
experiment where shootings would go down in those Red states
and they'd go and they'd stay the same or whatever
in the Blue states. More than likely, you know, and
I would be I would bet money that that's the
result of it, is that you do not see a
school shooting at a place that has an armed like

(02:04:47):
military guy outside. So I don't know if that's too inelegant.

Speaker 1 (02:04:52):
But no, no, no, no, we covered a lot of ground here.
I don't know if we have time. It's up to
you going to see if we can go overseas for
a bit and get your opinion. I'm okay, so let's go.
Let's go overseas now because domestically we're a mess. We've
got ideas, but hopefully, you know, hopefully some of these
get implemented. That'd be great. So let's talk about what's

(02:05:15):
going on with a lot of the European countries that
are recognizing the state of Palestine. I don't know how
you feel about that situation in general. Oh, I've got
lots of opinion. Yeah, okay, but it is very interesting. Yeah,
how everyone is completely anti Israel, anti semi as well
or anti Semitic. We've seen an increase of that in
the United States, and and I'm not I'll just hear

(02:05:38):
you out. We'll see where this goes. But what are
your thoughts there.

Speaker 2 (02:05:43):
When it comes to the I mean, first of all,
I think geopolitical stuff and wars are I mean, wars
are bad, right, Like there's there's no version of a
war that's good. They're certainly like righteous wars. But like
the things that happen in World War Two for US

(02:06:03):
and our allies to save the world essentially, like are
not like there's a lot of death. You've got like
tens of millions, was it sixty to eighty million people?
Or in World War two nothing good, nothing good, and
yet like so now everything is amplified by like the Internet,
like we just we are much more aware of what's
going on because we were getting like minute by minute

(02:06:23):
or hour by.

Speaker 1 (02:06:24):
Hour or day by day sort of updates.

Speaker 2 (02:06:25):
So I think war feels heavier, Like I think there's
a lot of people that have this perception that this
is this like, well, no, we saw it with the
Iraq and Afghanistan wars too. People were saying, like, it's
the new viet think.

Speaker 1 (02:06:38):
That's where it started was back then.

Speaker 2 (02:06:39):
And you're like, I mean it's like a tiny percentage
of the people that were wounded or killed in Vietnam
as you know, it's like three thousand versus eighty thousand.
I mean, it's just like a wild difference in the numbers,
and you just go like it's not the same thing.

Speaker 1 (02:06:54):
But I think we always the first time was up
upfront and personal, like yes, every time we turned on
the TV and it was just constant twenty every night.

Speaker 2 (02:07:01):
And the first time we had that really was the
Gulf War, which was just like super quick in the
nineties because really Vietnam was like news real, I mean,
it was like him and.

Speaker 1 (02:07:12):
Then it was started with the golf War. The wars
in Iraq is what really what started all of this.

Speaker 2 (02:07:18):
It became you can literally broadcast it in real time.
There were correspondents for cable news live on the air
as things are blowing up behind them, and that was
just not a thing we had before. No fast forward
to now what you end up with, I think is
so basically we over were feeling the weight of it,
and we oversimplify everything because again now everything is are

(02:07:39):
you pro this or you're anti this? Everything's black and white,
and war is just not black and white. It just
isn't it can't be what bothers me about the pro
Palestine stuff or the is most of it is rooted
in anti Semitism. And I don't even think most people
realize they're being anti Semitic when they say some of
the things from the River to the sea is racist.

(02:08:02):
You're saying that you want to I mean, like Hamas's
explicit charter was we want to kill Jews everywhere they
are in the world. Okay, So that is the that's
the organization we're dealing with. And the people in Gaza
elected these people in two thousand and six and then
they immediately took over everything, murdered any opposition, never had
elections again. But they were elected. I mean these people

(02:08:23):
were elected by the people in Gaza. And in Gaza
and the West Bank children are taught that the best
thing you can do is murder a Jew, and they
teach them how to slit jewe throats, and like, there
is an indoctrination that's happening that we will not change
for generations, even if you, even if you could snap,
Donald Trump could snap his fingers. And in the conflict

(02:08:44):
this one, there will not be two state solution tomorrow.
There will not be because there are a significant portion
of people who are pouce to any and either Gaza
or West Bank truly believe that they've got to kill
all the Jews. That is a fact and there's just
no getting around that. Not like, are they also victims

(02:09:04):
of Hamas? Absolutely they are, because Hamas does not care
about them at all. Hamas uses them as a tool
to get They know how the Western press works and
they've been playing us like a fiddle for decades, and
they know that they can use civilians as human shields.
They know that they can hide weapons, they can commit
war crimes over and over and over and over again,

(02:09:26):
and as long as it results in civilians dying, the
Western press will use it as a way to point
that Israel is trying to kill all the Palestinians instead
of like understanding that what's happening is that Hamas wants
those civilian casualties and the best exit. There are so
many good examples of this, but the one I point

(02:09:47):
to a lot is Madi Tali I think is his name.
He's at the Free Press now, he was at AP
and he there's a clip of him on Instagram, like
to give him the speech, and he's basically saying like, look,
I think I was the first person to change an
article because of a threat from Hamas. Like basically I
had a source inside of Gaza As a great reporter
came to this information, and basically the information was Hamas

(02:10:09):
is dressing up as civilians. This is in two thousand
and eight. They're dressing as civilians so that when they
get killed, they're counting them as civilians. And not only that,
like obviously the enemy can't tell who's who, and you
know they're all this deception going on. Well, that person
ends up calling and be like you got to take
that out because you know the underlying story is Hamas
has figured out who I am and they're threatening to
kill me and my family if you don't change that.

(02:10:31):
And he petitioned the AP at the time, who he
worked for, to at least put a note in the
article that like, we have changed this article to comply
with hamas propaganda, like it's fair at least say what happened,
We'll take the thing out, and they wouldn't do it.
So that's been going on since two thousand and eight.
That was only two years after Hamas came in power.
They absolutely know how to do this stuff. There were

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people on the left celebrating October seventh before Israel did anything.
So don't tell me this is about Israel's actions. Don't
tell me this is about Israel's like missteps in the war,
things that we don't agree with. There are plenty of
people in Israel that disagree with bbing that nowho. They
don't like him, they don't think he's leading this war. Well,
they blame him for October seventh in the first place.
And I would never say that that those people in

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Israel are anti Semitic. You know that doesn't fly. But
I do think a lot of people on the left
hide behind this. No, I'm not anti Semitic, I'm anti Zionists,
which again I was just like, so you just don't
think Jews should have a place to live, right and
so anyway, the point is we're never really having the
fair conversation because people will accuse Israel of a genocide
or recognize let's just take the recognization of the Palestinian

(02:11:36):
state that we just saw a bunch of European countries
do how do you think that benefits the people in
Gaza or West Bank. You're legitimizing their terrorist overlords, right,
I mean, because we both agree that they're led by lunatics.
I mean I think anyone that doesn't agree with that,
I go, you are then an anti semi because if
you don't think people that say they want to eliminate

(02:11:57):
all Jews everywhere they are in the world, if you
think they're okay to lead the country, you are legitimate.
You're legitimizing Hamas. And they're trying to say, yeah, but
Hamas has to go, Well, you're but they're they're in
the state right now, you know what I mean? Like,
so you've got to say we want there to be
a Palestinian state. I have no problem with saying that.
I have no problem with people saying there should be

(02:12:18):
two state solutions whatever. There's all the solutions that are
out there, and I would love to see the Palestinian
people raise up and say they don't they aren't gonna
take this from Hamas anymore, but they're not very capable
of doing it. And then you also just look at
this is not an Arab versus Jew thing either, because
people are always like, oh, Israel's blocking blah blah blah.
I'm like, okay, you know they share a border with
Egypt too, Why is Egypt close their border. It's because

(02:12:42):
they're scared of Hamas and they're scared of terrorist attack
happening on their area. And they've been through this, right,
And so I go, okay, this is not as simple
as Jew versus Arab because this is Egypt, Arab majority Gaza,
and they in Egypt doesn't trust Hamas or or Gazans.
It's so so much more complicated, and I just find
that there's almost nowhere having a nuanced conversation about it.

(02:13:04):
I do not think Israel has done everything right. It
would be impossible for anyone to in any kind of
war situation. No one has. We didn't do it right.
But the thing I point to all the time is
that when you look at the civilian to combat ratio
of killings in Gaza, specifically this entire time for almost
two years now, it's like one point five to one,

(02:13:25):
like ours was like nine to one in Afghanistan or
something in Iraq and stuff. It's unheard of in urban warfare.
It's literally something that militarys are studying because they're like,
how did you pull this off? They've dropped more bombs
than they've killed people in well, so does that mean
they're bad shots? Like if you're trying to do a genocide,
you could just kill everyone, like Israel has the power

(02:13:47):
to do it. They're telegraphing their moods, they're dropping leaflets,
they're they're announcing stuff. Part of the reason they've had
the levels so much of the Gaza strip is because
they will move people out of an area and then
they go start searching house by house for tunnels and
what they were finding is like bombs, Like they're rigged
to kill. Well, so, do you think the ideas should
send soldiers in to their death to search a place known.

(02:14:10):
They're sending drones in now and once they see it
trip wired up, they just blow the whole building. They
literally just call in a missile. They blow the whole
thing up because it's not worth losing more lives. But
they've got to find Hamas, and so they're just blowing
like that's why they're leveling buildings. They're not doing it
for fund Seas. They're doing it because Hamas already rigged
the buildings to blow if they walk into them. They're

(02:14:30):
booby driving stuff. Hamas has committed every war crime there is,
and yet no one talks about them.

Speaker 1 (02:14:35):
You've also got a situation where you have a captured people,
so southern border Egypt doesn't want them, right, no other
nation their nation state will take Palestinian.

Speaker 2 (02:14:48):
Refugees, no other Arab country will.

Speaker 1 (02:14:50):
And yet you can't go in and conduct your insurgencies
to take out and target Hamas. So the only criticism
maybe is well, how come Israel can't filter through the
people who are not amass and good people?

Speaker 2 (02:15:04):
And you knows is making that very very hard. They're
hiding amongst those people at every creed.

Speaker 1 (02:15:11):
So you've got all these Arab nations not wanted to
take them in. And then the other thing that has
been so ignored and convoluted and a bunch of bullshit
is everyone's talking about the history of the land that
goes back and it's always been Palestinian, which is like
I've had so many conversations with various people on this blake,
and it's it's just it's tiring, it really is.

Speaker 2 (02:15:33):
Yeah, But I mean I again, you go, okay, the yeah,
I'll forgive the ignorance for people that aren't Christian or Jewish,
but I find it hard to believe that they don't
know that history of the Jews, not just like the
history of the ancient Bible stuff like I mean, these
guys were slaves in Egypt and stuff like that, and

(02:15:54):
it's a promise land. And even if you don't want
to buy that stuff, I mean, there's historical accuracy to
that that you know, you have to believe some of it.
And then but like, like, okay, we don't have to
go back three thousand years. We can go back to
the nineteen thirties where they were ran out of every
European country. And so I go, okay, where do you
want to do, and I go, has Israel ever started

(02:16:16):
a conflict?

Speaker 1 (02:16:18):
No, they have not. You even go before third nineteen,
there's go to what nineteen seventeen?

Speaker 2 (02:16:24):
Right, yeah, but I mean Israel's not a nation till
nineteen thirty seven, so you like what I mean, a
state or something.

Speaker 1 (02:16:29):
But yeah, as far as the people that became displaced, yes,
Ottoman Empire, and then the people who claim to be
Palestinians of the land and have heritage were people who
sided with the Ottoman Empire to help them push out
the Jewish people who became displaced. All there was always
a Jewish presence. So I pretty sure it sounds like
you and I know enough on this, and you can

(02:16:51):
even go back further the tribes of Judah that became
the Jewish people, even going further than that, you know.

Speaker 2 (02:16:58):
And also show me any tear in the entire world
that has been the same group of people the entire time. Oh,
you can't even find one that's lasted for thousands of years.
I mean, like the China's fighting with people about their land.
I mean, like Russia is doing the same. Like this
is a normal thing. It's not been normal for our lifetime.
Because post World War Two, we said, no one is

(02:17:20):
doing this conquest for territory anymore, and we're gonna make
sure it doesn't happen. And not that it's not happened
at all since then, but like you you don't get
a Germany trying to take over the world. You don't
get like that kind of thing happening since then. And
what people forget is that in every every war, the aggressor,
if they go in and try to fight someone and

(02:17:41):
they lose that war, territory is almost always something they
have to give up. And Germany had to do it
for a while. I mean, like obviously the Soviet Union
had to break up, even though that's not even like
the lost the they lost the Cold War or whatever,
but Germany had to do it. You know, you had
a split thing at Berlin Wall and all that kind
of stuff. Japan had to, you know, relegate a lot

(02:18:04):
of power and stuff like that, and we said we're
gonna build these nations back up. We didn't have to
do that, like we were the exception to the rule.
Most of the time, when you win a war, you
just go like you're ours now, Like that's what happens
when you get attacked and then you win that war?
Is that you And that's what is like all of
the territory Israel has ever taken or expanded has been
after they were attacked by not normally even just one nation.

(02:18:26):
It was like multiple nations around them, and they win
the war and then they go, Yeah, the consequence for
that is you know, like that should there should be
get Like we talked about gun violence, there should be
consequences for invading another country. I hope that Russia has
consequences for having done it. I think they already have
some in just the amount of people that have been

(02:18:48):
wounded or killed, will you know, And so there there
are consequences to starting a war. And for some reason,
and I think it's anti Semitism, none of those rules
apply to Israel. So we have we apply at different
standard Israel than we do to every other country in
the world, any other country they got attacked. I don't
believe for a second if cartels in Mexico. Let's just

(02:19:09):
pretend the cartels totally had control of Mexico. I mean,
I think that's not that far off. Okay, yeah, say,
I'm not sure how much that's pretended. But like they
don't have a Hamas level of control over stuff. But
let's just pretend they did and they came across our
border and murdered I think the math would be thirty
thousand people in Texas.

Speaker 1 (02:19:26):
Like, if you're looking proportionally.

Speaker 2 (02:19:28):
You do you really think that, like anyone would blame
us for going into Mexico and just bombing the absolute
crap out of the cartels. No, I mean, no one.

Speaker 1 (02:19:39):
We've already proven what we would do if we can
we were Yeah, world War.

Speaker 2 (02:19:43):
Two, that's what happens. We get bombed in Japan, and
that's even relatively small smaller number than got killed of
Israel's population on October.

Speaker 1 (02:19:52):
So the thing is what the Middle East has been
in constant conflict forever, all over or well not over,
but under the guys of control of a holy land
or under the guys of religion. That's what it's always
been about. Yeah, but today's conflicts if if we're looking,
we're looking at extreme extremist Islamist or extreme Islamist or

(02:20:16):
using their religion of Islam, not even not even the
true faith. They're they're using the extreme side of that
to try to gain support, subjugate people, and all they
really are doing is using it to be vicious dictorial rulers, authoritarians.
I mean, that's all they want is power and money.

Speaker 2 (02:20:36):
And that's even some other religious aspect, that's even between
different versions of those Islamic express you know. And and
so now I have more hope about the Middle East
than I have in a while, in a sense that
like I'm going to give Donald Trump the credit in
that the AVERYM records were like a legitimately legitimate thing
I did not think was possible. And I think what

(02:20:58):
has slowly happened is that more Arab countries don't want
to be, you know, in the like constantly turmoil of
the Middle East. I think they realize, like they're like
economic there are economic benefits to not allowing terrorism to
happen and to protecting your people and let people flourish.
And you're slowly starting to see more people disassociate from Iran.

(02:21:21):
Iran is obviously the gigantic thing that we've not even
we've never mentioned Iran. But Iran is absolutely stoking all
of this, like they support them off, they smart.

Speaker 1 (02:21:29):
They like I know, they use they fund all these
serist organizations and use them as their proxy so that
they are not directly involved and say, hey, you know
it wasn't me, we didn't do it.

Speaker 2 (02:21:40):
But I think like the combination of the Abraham Accords
that had a few nations come on this and start
supporting it. And then you see during this conflict, you
see nations like Jordan and stuff like swatting missiles and
drones out of the air because they're in their airspace
and they're like, hey, you're in ours airspace. They never
they would have done that twenty years ago. So I
see that, and then I see more people like Egypt
really like it's like I don't want The thing is,

(02:22:03):
more and more people are wanting to be allies with
Israel in the sense that like we want to trade,
like we want to like we don't want this, Like
you're seeing that happen more and more. Well, I think
the thing.

Speaker 1 (02:22:13):
That is when when Israel when they launched that that
attack to kill those five Hamas leaders right and guitar
they were, Qatar was not happy about them invading their
airspace and violating their sovereignty by doing that. But at
the same time, after they had their emergency meeting, the

(02:22:33):
Arab Islamis nations everybody was mad. They called on Donald
Trump even saying, hey, you have leverage over Israel, can
you please rein them in like, but none of them
attacked Israel. I think on one side, they probably realized,
like Hamas, Yes, is a problem. We need to find
a solution. I think I think personally that a lot
of the Arab nations that you were just speaking of,

(02:22:53):
I think they want to modernize and move forward and
are getting tired they do of being held back by
this constant bickering bullshit. But they even have a hard
time getting getting a handle on these extremists because like
you're literally fighting some guerrilla warfare within their.

Speaker 2 (02:23:10):
And it's evil. Again. It's like people that are willing
to it's very hard to stop people that are willing
to kill themselves to kill other people. It's very hard
to stop that.

Speaker 1 (02:23:18):
Fanatics. They're just fanatics.

Speaker 2 (02:23:19):
They're fanatics, and and so like that is the part
where I go all of that. It's like I have
more hope than I have in the sense that there's
some more normalized relations. You look at, like no one
defended Iran in any of this stuff. Iran didn't even
really retaliate. They kind of like threw things is Reel's way.
But they knew it wasn't gonna work.

Speaker 1 (02:23:36):
No, they knew. So so let's get back to the
European nation. Let's just specifically Starmer and Macron. I like,
what do you think of these people that are calling
for this recognization of statehood? Now here's here's the thing
you touched on a bit when when you were talking
about recognizing them as a state. But the problem is
if they if they do this, then now it literally

(02:23:57):
becomes a conflict between legitimized recognized states or nations. Right,
so now is it considered a legitimate war between two states?

Speaker 2 (02:24:07):
That's what I don't think they're thinking of the consequences
of this. I don't think they I don't think they've
really thought about what it means for them. I think
it's virtue signaling, is what it is. Right, you mentioned
that earlier, and it's basically like I'm signaling to And
first of all, I have this conversation with lots of
people fairly often because I think so much of it
is anti Semitic, And like I said, I don't think
most of the time they realize they're really being anti semitic.

(02:24:29):
They just don't even understand what they're saying. They're just
parroting what they heard. And I think it's understandable for
people to be really upset about seeing people like civilians
and kids dying, Like I think that that's a totally
normal reaction to be outraged about it. I just don't
feel like I felt the I just I feel like,
specifically that October seventh didn't get the press coverage, that

(02:24:51):
anything that the IDF does wrong be a mistake or
bad behavior, Like I think both those things happen, and
I don't see like what I saw after October seventh
was a bunch of people cheering on women getting like
raped and then murdered and doing it in front of

(02:25:12):
their friends, and watching their friends die, and killing parents
in front of kids and kids in front of parents.
Like the barbarism of what Hamas did that day.

Speaker 1 (02:25:22):
Should have.

Speaker 2 (02:25:25):
Should have been the thing that like totally did them in.
Now they knew what they were doing by pulling hostages in.
They had this plan all along, They knew what the
goal was is to entrench Israel into this long thing,
because Israel will like look worse and worse the longer
it goes on, and the and they control everything. They
control the Ministry of Health, they control any any press

(02:25:46):
in there is controlled by them. They don't let anyone in,
so no one really knows what's going on. So it
like and for whatever reason, our Western journalists choose to
believe Hamas over anyone else. And and I think that
speaks to the anti Semitism of it.

Speaker 1 (02:26:02):
Like I said, I can't better criticized for the response
before they even responded, they were.

Speaker 2 (02:26:10):
Yeah, they weren't criticized for the response they were. People
were cheering it on while while people were still being
raped and murdered in Israel, while it was happening, and
and cheering it on and going like this is what's
turn it into oppressors versus oppressed. Again, that's a left
problem is everything is about who's the victim and who's
the who's the person victimizing, who's the oppressor, who's the oppressed,

(02:26:34):
who is the settler, who is the like you know,
they've turned this whole thing into like everyone's evil, America's evil.
And again they've been indoctrinated to believe that anytime there's
a power dynamic that's different, that the person that has
more power is evil and the person has less power
is good and that is just flawed. That that is

(02:26:54):
not if someone's abusing their power, but like again the
oppressor in this case, and so we excuse it, and
they did. I mean, like you saw on college campuses,
you saw on the progressive left.

Speaker 1 (02:27:07):
You saw a.

Speaker 2 (02:27:11):
Celebration, not just like a I think sometimes people have
to be violent to get rid of their oppressor. It
was like a celebration. And I just go when you're
when it's always Jews that you're celebrating dying, there's a problem,
you know, like you're not calling out China's oppression of Wigers,

(02:27:31):
You're not calling out like you know.

Speaker 1 (02:27:34):
You're thinking a lot of what I'm already thinking one
before I say it's fun.

Speaker 2 (02:27:37):
Right, there are actual genocides happening all over the world,
and yet the one we talk about is the alleged
one that Israel is like they're the worst at genocide
anyone's ever been. Well, if they're trying to kill all
the Palestinians, because they could drop one bomb tomorrow and before.

Speaker 1 (02:27:48):
Well they could. But let's talk about two things. First,
let's go back a statement from River to see you. Yeah,
I find it ironic that people are criticizing Israel for
genociding people when they literally could do it within seven
to ten days now. From the River to the Sea
literally means genociding Jews, like getting rid of them all.

(02:28:09):
And Amasa has literally said like you, like you stated
earlier that they want to eliminate all Jews here.

Speaker 2 (02:28:15):
Everywhere in the world, not just in the links. They
should document like all of them. We want them eradicate it.
And I think it's really important that people understand that,
because I don't think that that is being The New
York Times does not mention that.

Speaker 1 (02:28:27):
Let's let's let's let's talk about this other situation about
recognizing the Palestinian statehood. Now we have we have an
issue in the or they have an issue in the
UK with mass immigration of people that are unchecked and unvetted.
You just saw what happened. I was here today or
yesterday in Italy right that uprising and riot over the

(02:28:48):
Italian government not wanting to recognize the Palestinian state. So
they had this giant riot with everybody on the streets
holding Palestinian flags. The UK is having these issues right now.
France has always had an issue with all of US.
So now if they're all going to recognize them, they
already have all of these people who support Palestine who

(02:29:08):
are obviously Arab from those regions. I'm sorry, but they
just infiltrated you. And now that after you recognize the
Palestine state, now they have even more of a reason
to turn on you and claim your land for Palestine.

Speaker 2 (02:29:24):
And again I think it's a pay off.

Speaker 1 (02:29:26):
On that, but I kind of see it. I mean,
it seems like this has been there's been a long
term plan that's been put in place, and they have
been using and actually doing for quite some time. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:29:40):
The thing is, I don't even think it's well, there's
several things going on there the.

Speaker 1 (02:29:46):
There's a lot, There's a whole lot. Yeah, and it's
not just about Palestine.

Speaker 2 (02:29:51):
So what's interesting about all of this is that I
would put people in two different buckets. If you have
fled to another country, like not saying great things about
your country, probably you at least thought wherever you went to,
like I said, a lot of refugee kind of situations.
You got people from Syria, You've got people from all
these war torn areas of the Middle East because of

(02:30:13):
these conflicts that have been going on often between two
different versions of Arabs. Right, Like what happened in Syria
is like nothing to do with Jews, right it? Like
it or like not nothing, because I mean obviously there's
an American and I mean there's there's things, and that's
and that's where that's where I can't get with the
right and the left now that like everything is explained

(02:30:34):
by Jews or nefariously controlling everything, you know, like that's
just where everything goes eventually now And but like in
those situations like Syria, you cannot blame the Jews for Syria.
You cannot blame the Jews for Iraq, Iran, like any
of these places where people are being legitimately oppressed by
the people that are in power, that like really just
do that so that they can oppress people, Like the
goal is power and oppression and and money and all

(02:30:56):
the things that go along with it, or just religious
fervor whatever it might be. But these people have fled
those places to go to other countries. And I would
be willing to bet I've not seen any polls that
say this, but I'd be willing to bet most of
them are not immediately in a situation where they feel
like they're going to defend their home country that they
fled and be against the country that has accepted them, right,

(02:31:18):
I would just think that for the most part, that's
not how it's going to work. I'm not going to
say they're going to like but what I think happens
is that there are bad seeds in those groups of people,
just like everyone else. I don't think it's all of them.
I don't even know if it's a high percentage of it.
I don't know the numbers, but I do know that
like in Britain, there have been a bunch of gang
rapes essentially by like refugees from specifically, like.

Speaker 1 (02:31:44):
A lot of it isiable.

Speaker 2 (02:31:47):
And then what happens is that, like the there's been
massive covers the covers of that because like the politicians
can't talk about it, and it's not for fear of
being attacked necessarily from those communities. It's from being called
racist by the sort of what And so to me,
it's like they're capitulating to there's a bunch of people
defending a group of people unnecessarily because they're worried it's

(02:32:11):
racist to call out rapist. Doesn't matter what their skin
color is and to me, that's the rape thing specifically,
is like such a thing where it's like similar to
the Palestinian statehood kind of thing in the sense there's
pressure to do that. But like that's such a good
example of like we've got verifile evidence that, like the
police didn't pursue it, politicians didn't pursue it. Newspapers tried

(02:32:33):
to cover it up and pretend it wasn't happening, because
everyone was so scared of being called racist, right, and
that's really where the pressure came from, like from my
understanding of it, and maybe that was coming from those communities,
but it doesn't seem like that Like electorally that doesn't
work out. They're not a majority, Like they can cause
a bunch of noise and stuff, but it's that there's

(02:32:54):
a bunch of Britons and there's a bunch of French people,
and there's a bunch of Americans that are buying into
that narrai. It's like I am related to people that
that are that have bought into the anti Semitic stuff,
and they're all in on the like essentially into Semitism
of like from the to the Sea and Palestine are
the good guys and the bad guys. Again, everything's black

(02:33:14):
and white. And that's unfortunately because they're on TikTok and
that's where they get their news, and and China has
no interest in throwing pro Israel stuff in our address.

Speaker 1 (02:33:22):
Let's address something though. I agree with you, true refugees
don't have a problem with Okay, what I'm seeing a
problem with is there This is obviously to me organized
because if you see what's going on in the UK.

Speaker 2 (02:33:41):
Some of it is Yeah, for sure, you are.

Speaker 1 (02:33:43):
You are seeing where now they're trying to push their there.
It's not going to probably happen soon. I don't know,
but sharial law in some areas you have complete communities
that are completely just Muslim. You have Muslims that are
in uh the becoming mayor is a becoming I don't.
I'm not sure the complete political structre. But anyway they're in. Yeah,

(02:34:07):
but but not just not just that, but other other positions.
They're pressuring the police. If you look at Ireland, the
people of Ireland aren't very they're not very happy with
what's been happening.

Speaker 2 (02:34:16):
And they're super into Semitic.

Speaker 1 (02:34:18):
Now, if this this is my this is gonna be
my point, Like, if it was all about refugees and
it wasn't about some kind of planned operation with Palestine,
then why aren't these refugees going there and standing up
for a free democratic Syriah. No one's going and saying

(02:34:38):
I want to free democratic Somalia, I want a free
democratic Syria, or you know, whatever it is. It's all
free Palestine. It's all Palestine, Palestine, Palestine.

Speaker 2 (02:34:49):
I think most of that is the anti Semitism, like
I do like the it's is and I think that
when you get to all those other conflicts, Israel is
not the primary, like one of two sides on it.
And so it just like they can't blame like the
Jews are going to get blamed for everything if they
can get blamed for it, and so you can't blame
them for Syria. You can't blame them for Afghanistan. You can't.

(02:35:10):
But you know what I mean, Like it's like you
can't and so it's just an inconvenient conversation at that.

Speaker 1 (02:35:15):
About the African refugees though that are that are from
Islama States as well, there's much pretty far removed from
that those.

Speaker 2 (02:35:23):
Conflicts, but it's sort of the same situation there. It's
like most people are not talking about those conflicts like that.
That is not something that gets brought up ever. To me,
is like the some alience stuff or or or even
like Pakistan India stuff, like unless it deals with Jews.
And like I said, I go, okay, what's like you'd
say it's a power dynamic? Well, how is that not

(02:35:43):
with Indian and Pakistan? Like there's a power dynamic there too.
India is much more powerful than Pakistan.

Speaker 1 (02:35:48):
Is like got a long history though those two countries.

Speaker 2 (02:35:50):
I know, And like that's the problem is that there's
a lot there's a lot of history and all this stuff.
I also just don't think it's realistic to have a
I think it's a very rose or glasses and optimistic
to think that like this is not something that humans
are going to deal with always, like we fight over
stupid stuff. It's like you look at like speaking of genocides,

(02:36:12):
it's like uh Rwanda, you know, like that that was
like they were trying to find a racial difference between
each other and it was totally arbitrary and it was
it was a genocide and and it's like, well that
doesn't make any sense to us, and it's because humans
are fallen and evil and like we will find the

(02:36:34):
thing that makes a difference between us, and we will
we will kill each other for it. And that Sometimes
that's race, sometimes that's religion. Sometimes it's like we want
that land and you've got it. Sometimes it's resources. Sometimes
it is h just I think we need a we
need an enemy, and so especially people in power have
to do that. So like Hamas needs the Jews to

(02:36:55):
be their enemy because otherwise they can't demand the control
and the things they do. They're the they're not citizens.
It's not the right way to say it, but like
they're subjects essentially, and so I mean I think that's like,
it's not that I don't think it's sincere. I do
think Hamas legitimately hates Jews. I think that they've indoctrinated it.
And it's like you've got, like I said, when you

(02:37:16):
start doing that with kids at you know, from the
youngest age, you're brainwashing them into thinking a group of
people are evil based on their religion or where they
live or whatever the situation is. And we're doing that
in America with the indoctrination, the left indoctrination and stuff
that you talked about. It's like you're telling kids from
a very early age that America is a bad place.
There's nothing to be proud of. If you're white, you

(02:37:38):
are guilty of like you're like they were literally teachers
during the whole blacks like matter of stuff that we're like, well,
what about me, I'm mixed raced. Well you're an oppressor.
If you've got any white in you, you're the bad guy. Well, like,
what does that do to a kid when you tell
them they're a bad person because of the color of
their skin. Again, it's just like like that is that
has happened throughout human history.

Speaker 1 (02:37:57):
But peop will continue. The Jews is is like you said,
everyone says they control America and and they're the real
reason why all of these conflicts are having around the world.
But think about it. Are the Are the Jews or
Israel behind the enslavement of Congolese and the Congo because
of the cobalt mines right now? Are they responsible for

(02:38:18):
what's going on as Somalia like you mentioned earlier. Are
they responsible for what's happening between Pakistan and India which
has been going on for years.

Speaker 2 (02:38:26):
I've had some conversations about this with people where I'm like, I'm.

Speaker 1 (02:38:28):
Gabo, what's going on in the Paul is that the Jews.

Speaker 2 (02:38:30):
Fault, right, But like, the thing is what I often
get people to admit, especially if they're like very conspiratorial,
and it's not that I think that there's no such
thing as they're fun and like I'm like all about
like look into it. But like once you buy into
any conspiracy theory that says nefarious thing happened and it

(02:38:50):
didn't happen the way we thought it happened, that there
were a group of people that planned that thing to happen.
So Oakham City bombing, nine to eleven, right, Iraq war,
pick it, Pick any October seventh, like, pick anything, Charlie
Kirk's assassination, Donald Trump's near assassination, anything where someone goes,
this is not true. What really happened is there's a

(02:39:11):
group of people that did this. So I start talking
to these people, and what happens every time, And this
is why I think it's really dangerous in America right now.
But I think this happens everywhere. It's just that and
the Jews have been the most popular end game of
this because what happens is I had like a three
hour conversation with the guy about nine to eleven on
nine to eleven because it was it was fun. We
went back and forth and stuff, and I'm generally interested.

(02:39:33):
I'm like, I want to see why you think that
this was an inside job. Tell give me the evidence.
I'll rebut it with my evidence and stuff. And it
was a great conversation. But in that conversation, what I
kept going to is like, Okay, let's just say you're right,
how many people do you think it would take to
pull that off?

Speaker 1 (02:39:47):
Thousands?

Speaker 2 (02:39:48):
Right? Okay, so thousands of people kept a secret. Let's
say that that's possible. I don't think it is. I
think the government's very bad at everything they do. I
find it very hard on the government could do that,
right moon Landing. You think four hundred thousand people kept
that a secret and Russia never wanted to find out
and all these kind of things. Okay, So then I go, okay,
so let's say that happened. Same thing with let's say
the Jews killed Charlie Kirk, which, by the way, that

(02:40:09):
was the most disgusting part about his memorial service is
Tucker Carlson getting up there and blaming Jews for it
in a wink wink, nudge nudge. Yeah. They The fact
that they allowed him on stage is proof that it
wasn't about Charlie Kirk because like he's been the one
spouting these conspiracy theories that Eric his wife is it
makes me furious anyway, The point.

Speaker 1 (02:40:27):
Is all between him and canisans man.

Speaker 2 (02:40:29):
I mean, right, so when you get on that role,
if I say, okay, so that's true. Do those people
control everything in our government?

Speaker 1 (02:40:35):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (02:40:35):
Okay, why is our government so bad at everything? The
next place you go is, well, that's on purpose. They're
the shadow government. They're really good at stuff, but they
put people in apt their in appt they can't do stuff,
so they can control them like puppets. Okay, let's say
that's the case. So do you think those people also
control Russia? Because wouldn't it be in Russia and China's
interest to discover that George Bush did nine to eleven

(02:40:55):
and then they would, like you know, they would send
that everywhere, right, because that would be and then so
then the next place someone goes is well, no, they
probably to some degree. They control every country in the world.
Once you get to that point, there's no one you
can say that does that other than the Jews. I've
never heard it explained as anyone else other than Jews.
And like I said, all like you pull on any

(02:41:17):
one of those threads that the world is flat, that
nine to eleven was an inside job that Oklahoma City,
And I said, I think all of these things. Sometimes
we get a story that's not the entire story. Normally
it's because governments are embarrassed about their failures. So I
think that some of the Saudi stuff in nine to
eleven is more better explained by probably having a conversation
with them that goes like, we don't have an interest

(02:41:38):
in going to war with you guys, but if you
if you are even remotely involved in something similar to
this again, we will absolutely blow you off the face
of the earth. I think that probably happened Oka City bombing.
We got too focused on one person. We didn't like
to look at some of these other things. We didn't
like to really talk about the white nationalist stuff that
was going on that influenced him. We just said, like,
we've got our guy, we've got the conviction. We don't

(02:41:59):
want to bring in any sort of extra things. That
are gonna maybe make prosecution hard. Law enforcement gets tunnel vision.
There's mistakes that happen in all of these things. I'm
not saying that, like the government is never lying to us.
Government lies to us all the time, which is why
I don't trust them. But anytime you start saying there's
an nefarious group of people that control it, it always
ends up being Jews. And then you star have to
start going, Okay, so two point three percent of the

(02:42:21):
country is Jewish and you think they control everything. You
think they're tricking us into supporting Israel. You think they're
tricking us into supporting Ukraine if you're on that side,
or you think they're into Russia if you're on the
other side. Like I said, Hitler blamed Jews for both
communism and capitalism.

Speaker 1 (02:42:40):
And it's like even convenient escape though, just even bringing
back to the Middle East, you're talking about like a
dot on the map compared to I mean, how many
Muslim countries? Was it sixty or seventy something? Is that correct? Oh?

Speaker 2 (02:42:55):
How many there are total?

Speaker 1 (02:42:56):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (02:42:56):
Yeah, I don't know, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (02:42:57):
I think it was somewhere in that number serials. And
you got Israel, right, and they're the problem.

Speaker 2 (02:43:04):
And by the way, it's not just about Jew versus Arab,
it's also like democracy versus oh, I get it. There's
all sorts of other things there, and there's.

Speaker 1 (02:43:12):
Using it as an example of like how how how
was this small dot like the ire of the world
like there, and they've.

Speaker 2 (02:43:18):
Got and they've goateed everyone into attacking them first so
that they can fight back and win territory. Why would
they not just attack people if they're just an the
farious group.

Speaker 1 (02:43:26):
I've I've only had some issues with Israel to the
point that there are times where I think that they're
using the US as an excuse to do certain things,
in my opinion, because you know, we're always backing them,
and we are we are like right, they're standing behind them,
you know. And one of the examples I've used was
what they did with Qatar right recently. They would have

(02:43:49):
never done that if if because they put the US
in the middle. And this is where this is my
only this is my criticism of Israel, not Jews, but Israel, and.

Speaker 2 (02:43:57):
It's and it's totally fair. You can Abs.

Speaker 1 (02:44:00):
Qatar is supposed to be one of our allies and
they've been named one of our greatest allies that is
not a NATO nation, not not like Israel.

Speaker 2 (02:44:08):
But they're playing both sides all the time. But we
know that and it's part of it.

Speaker 1 (02:44:12):
The reality is they also host our largest military base
in the Middle East. It is sent calm Israel does
this piss is Qatar off guitar calls on the US
or Donald Trump to reign in Israel see the situation.
It's like, I get it. I get what Israel is doing,
but like, did you did you think about, like what
would happen if.

Speaker 2 (02:44:32):
Here's but here's what bothers. Well, it's kind of it's
a double edged stort. I'm going I totally get what
you're saying. Like they're they're like, because we've got their back,
they're willing to do things that maybe they wouldn't otherwise. However, again,
this is double edged sword. I think Donald Trump in
Republicans in America has I think we've changed the course

(02:44:55):
of the world for a very long time. You go
back to World War Two and you basically said America
was that country for eighty years. What we said went
and we were maybe kind of bullies about it sometime,
but like when we when someone was our ally, we
defended them and when they were our enemy. And so
like the point was people needed to be scared of

(02:45:16):
America in not in a they didn't want to mess
with us. Does that make sense? Like if we said
we had someone's back, we generally proved that we had
people's back.

Speaker 1 (02:45:26):
So the Golf War is a.

Speaker 2 (02:45:27):
Great example of that of saying like, no, we're not
going to stand for that, and then they did it. Yeah,
And and what I think we've squandered is now the
whole world knows that we don't have like the people
who we call our allies, we don't actually have their
back most of the time. And so what I think
really happened is I think Israel actually used to be

(02:45:49):
more like clearing everything with the US, and then Joe Biden.
I don't think it started just under Joe Biden, but
I just know that, like October seventh happens. And so
it's just it's a lot more in focus than it
has been for a while. You know, he is dragging
his feet on stuff, on a lot of things, and
he's saying, don't do anything, don't go into Rafa, don't

(02:46:10):
attack Hesbela, don't like and everything that he told them
not to do, they did anyway, because I think that
they saw that like it's our survival. It's not about
like what will make the US happy. It's like these
people are trying to eliminate us, and we're taught like
we can't. We're not doing that anymore. And so in
a way, it's almost like America's weakness allows Israel to

(02:46:30):
do whatever they want now because like we can't rain
them in. I mean, to some degree, maybe we can.
But I think the problem is like we told them
no on all that stuff, and if they would have
listened to us, Iran would not be in the position
they are Hesblah would not be almost eliminated. Hamas would
not be in the position like even the Houthis. I mean,
they've done a better job against the Huthies than we have,

(02:46:51):
and they were attacking our ships. So in some ways,
I think America went from being the people that were like, hey,
we've got these people's back. You don't met don't test it,
don't don't. But Obama says he puts a red line
with Syria and lets him cross it, And I think
slowly what Europe and everyone has realized is that America

(02:47:12):
doesn't really have its allies backs, which is why I
think Donald Trump just hopes it'll work out that they
don't turn to other people. But they're like smaller countries
have like they're gonna get pushed around by bigger countries
and they're gonna have to capitulate to someone that's gonna
be Rusher or China now and if they and in
Europe doesn't trust us. By the way, speaking of JD Vance,

(02:47:33):
is the next nominee, Like that Signal Chat proved more
than anything that like that is the real JD. Vance.
He actually hates Europe and doesn't want to do anything
that could help them. That was a situation. Remember the
whole signal Gate thing was about like he was just
pissed that, like, oh, I just hate that we're bailing
out Europe again. Once you know that that's true and
that that is like a fact of the Republican Party,

(02:47:55):
you are going to go, We've got a find for ourselves.
And I think that what happens now is that really
Israel has decided we are actually the only people that
have our interest at heart.

Speaker 1 (02:48:04):
America doesn't I get you, I get you what I'm
what I what I'm thinking is this, look Israel. I
think Israel's a right to do whatever the hell they want,
but that that certain situation is like when you're jeopardizing
the largest military base in the area that the US
that's ours, and then we're at the same time here

(02:48:26):
to support you, kind of jeopardizes that right. And so
I'm not saying in any other case like Israel couldn't
do whatever they wanted, because we would noone tells us no.
But now let's go to Europe. Though, what you're saying
about what jade Van said, yes, wrong, should that should
not have been made public. But a lot of that

(02:48:47):
was driven by the sentiment that, hey, the US is
paying into NATO and doing all of this, and we're
getting called to help you out with the Russia Ukraine situations,
Like at what point are you guys not going to
stand up and do something?

Speaker 2 (02:49:00):
Yeah, we have essentially subsidized their welfare state.

Speaker 1 (02:49:03):
I think that's what I'm not saying is right, by
the way, but I have that is true where a
lot that came from that is true. Seventy five percent
NATO was always paid by the United States of America.

Speaker 2 (02:49:12):
I don't know if it but yeah, well but here's
the here's the word.

Speaker 1 (02:49:15):
The problem is the Russia. The Russian.

Speaker 2 (02:49:20):
First of all, we're the only country that NATO's ever
the Article five thing of defending a NATO nation. The
only country that's ever called for that is US. Yeah,
for nine, we're the only ones. So we've never had
to bail out any of those countries. Actually, now, we
were actually hitting the budgetary what we all agreed we
were going to do whatever it was two point five percent.

Speaker 1 (02:49:41):
I mean it's changed two point five yeah. Uh.

Speaker 2 (02:49:44):
There are a bunch of countries that said, we don't
have to do that. We'd rather spend that on everyone
having healthcare, and the US will just let us get
away with that for forever. Donald Trump came and said no.
And first of all, some of that started changing by
him just making the threats of like we're not gonna
have your back now. I don't love his style, but
some of it worked, you know. But what really worked
was Russia invading Ukraine. Like you know, Poland's doing like

(02:50:06):
seven percent now because you know they're not like this
is not a drill anymore.

Speaker 1 (02:50:11):
They're going like around on there, I'll tell you at all.

Speaker 2 (02:50:15):
And and and so what it took was of the
real world events of Russia invading another European country to realize,
oh yeah, we've seen this before, we know where this goes,
and and and everyone not stop and everyone stepped it up.
So as far as I know, there is no European
country that's not going well beyond two point five percent.

(02:50:36):
But Germany is now talking about doing but stuff.

Speaker 1 (02:50:40):
Right like that, Maybe now that wasn't the case before,
right right that that that was the thing. And I
think that's what led to why Jdvance said, I'm not
I'm not excusing you, you know, right, but look here
the vice president of the United States. But at the
same time, everybody in America felt that way.

Speaker 2 (02:50:58):
But why not take the advantage of the win of saying, like,
thank you all for getting on board. It sucks that
I've been telling you this for years and it took
Russia invading a neighboring you know what I mean, That's
what I'm saying, Like that was said, yeah, but I
mean I think it needed to be more like like,
I'm all for the carrot and stick stuff. I'm all

(02:51:18):
for saying, like I said, throwing our weight around, Like
I think the world is a better place when America
throws it to weight around for the right things, for
democracies and for the things we believe in. Uh because
I think for the most part, historically they've been the
right things. I think free speech is the right thing.
I think jd Vance was correct to go over there
and call out all the European countries for their like

(02:51:41):
incredibly illiberal views on speech. Now, I think I have
no problem with that, But I also think you could
be like I would have done that speech differently. What
I would have said is like, we've been harping on
you guys for years to spend the appropriate military budgets
that you agreed to so that we'd have your back,
and we appreciate that you had our back. After nine
to eleven, it took Russia invading Ukraine for you to
realize that you need to get your act togethers and

(02:52:02):
thank you for doing that. Now i'd like you to
do that with free speech too, Like, I don't think
you realize how dangerous this road is you're going down.
But the truth is Jade Vance doesn't actually care about
free speech. He makes that speech, but then he's not
saying anything about the Trump administration trying to stop speech,
and so it just feels insincere to me. I think
America's best when we're throwing our weight around, but in

(02:52:22):
a way that says, this is better for everyone if
we all the reason NATO went eighty years without I
mean until nine to eleven, which wasn't even attack from
another country. It's a terrorist organization, you know, It's something
we couldn't have dreamed up in nineteen forty five. But like,
when that happens, we're the ones that get go, hey,

(02:52:43):
come come join U, join us, and like, but also
I don't believe for a second we wouldn't have had
any of those people's backs if it would have happened too,
which is why I think we prevented a World War
three from happening.

Speaker 1 (02:52:53):
I think in the end, I think, in the end,
if this situation with Russia really pops off, I think
we will have their back, you know, I know, I
know I think we will too. Yeah, and I think
right now there's a lot of doubt, but when push
comes to shove, you know we're going to get in there.
The whole thing with that Rush Ukraine situation, and there's
a lot I don't know, if we have a lot

(02:53:14):
of time to go into it. But the reality is
this is World War III was the threat. They did
not want to go to war with a very capable
nuclear nation period. Now they're they're they're getting they're getting
ground down slowly over time because of the resilience of
the Ukraine Ukrainian army or military and and even though.

Speaker 2 (02:53:34):
It's saw coming exactly. I mean, everyone thought that thing
would be over in two weeks, and and I think
Putin thought it would be over in two weeks. I
obviously did not go according to plan.

Speaker 1 (02:53:45):
But all because of the threat of a nuclear war
is why nobody got involved. And but but everybody was
crying for us, let's just be quite honest about to
go over there and handle the situation. It's like, wait
a minute, this is in your backyard, United Kingdom in France.

Speaker 2 (02:53:59):
Which is why they did step up. I mean, that's
why like mess around it. They should have stopped it
from the get go. Yeah, I don't know. I think
you have to go back to like two thousand and
eight to really stop this invasion of Ukraine from having
Like I said, I think I think this was a
failure under Bush Obama and Biden it actually did not

(02:54:20):
happen under Trump the first time. Like Trump, that's fair,
like he gets to claim and I'm the only president
in the last twenty years that Russia hasn't invaded your
career to some degree. And again, now this is more
complicated because obviously you're talking about two nuclear powers. But
what has bothered me about our positioning in foreign affairs

(02:54:42):
has been everything has been about worrying of escalation. And
so even with Iran, like everything everything that Joe Biden
did with regard to the Israel and Hamas stuff is
was like, We're worried about poking Iran, and I'm like,
Ira should be scared of poking us, like it should.

(02:55:02):
Now Russia is different. They've got nuclear weapons and Putin's crazy.
Probably again though they should be as scared of our
nuclear deterrent as we are of Theirs, and they should
be scared of NATO. But the truth, I mean, like,
like you know who loves NATO, like not having each
other's backs. China and Russia like they're super happy about it. Well,
so they know it's a legitimate force that could stop.

Speaker 1 (02:55:25):
Let's let's talk about that dynamic though, because you brought
up Iran. Russia isn't just that they're the nuclear power.
You got to you gotta look at Russia. And I
don't know how much they'll back them. But allegedly China
is an ally ally now North Korea is an ally right.
North Korea actually sent troops and at some point China

(02:55:48):
did say that they had Russia's back, and then they
renigged on it. Right, Iran has a relationship with Russia
as well. Now, the thing that is not in Iran's
favorite is that Russia will ever be able to back
them because they cannot fight on two different fronts. They
just can't. Right now, they're not in that position.

Speaker 2 (02:56:06):
But it turns out they weren't as good at fighting
on one fronts.

Speaker 1 (02:56:09):
No, I mean Afghanistan, right, and then they got pushed
back by by the rebels that were trained by well
our people. But the the thing with Iran is is
they support Russia. Russia or the Soviet Union supports Iran,
and that that goes way back that history. So a
lot of people don't even realize that these these relationships

(02:56:29):
were already in place. So I think with Iran that
is one thing to think about, right. There is if
will Russia actually step up and side with Iran to
help fight if it came down to it, I don't
think so.

Speaker 2 (02:56:42):
I don't think any of them would. North Korea is
the exception to that.

Speaker 1 (02:56:45):
I think he's just ready to do. I don't know
he's he's he's wanting to prove something, He's just waiting.

Speaker 2 (02:56:51):
I think that the problem the card. Yeah, like obviously
Russia did not Putin would not have invaded if he
could have seen the future. Yeah, yeah, I think that
it first of all exposed to think no, and I don't,
and I don't think he knows. I think what's so

(02:57:12):
stupid about it is that like we're just not good
enough to take advantage of the fact that I think
Russia wants out of this, but they also have to
be able to save face. It's like they almost need,
like us to stop it in some sort of way
where they can just blame us for it and not
really have to take the loss.

Speaker 1 (02:57:29):
I don't know how you think they also are. Putin
was relying on China to be more of an ally
on stepping up and really getting involved and then happen.

Speaker 2 (02:57:37):
I think they thought it wouldn't have to happen, first
of all, But I also think that they do. Think
I mean, my favorite way to refer to them as
the Axis of assholes, because that's really what it is.
But it's not a real alliance. Like you just look
at China's trajectory and Russia and like what their stated
goals are, and they're in conflict with each other. Like
China wants to control the world, so does Russia.

Speaker 1 (02:57:58):
They can't both, you know, no, no they can't, but
they do need each other for now.

Speaker 2 (02:58:04):
Right now they do. Yeah, so it's a convenience thing,
and so that can change very quickly. Like I think
that I think China what they love about this, if
I had to guess, is that they they got to
see a preview of what would happen if they invaded Tauan.
You know, they get to see, like maybe maybe we're
overestimating our military capability, Maybe maybe NATO's not as weak

(02:58:27):
as we thought it was. Like I think they love
I think China benefits immensely from Russia being the so
of course they're encouraging them to do it, you know
what I mean. It's like if it doesn't go well,
it doesn't really affect us.

Speaker 1 (02:58:37):
Like China's definitely collecting data. But the only problem with
that is they haven't found anything out yet because nobody
has directly got involved yet. Yeah, but I mean they.

Speaker 2 (02:58:50):
Have found some I think they've learned some things. I
think they've learned. I think they've probably taken a look
at their Like first of all, there's a huge problem
in dictatorships where you're not real problems are not bubbling
up because if people are scared to be murdered, if
they cause a problem, like in Russia and China, right,
like it's not very likely that it's like a low

(02:59:11):
level like everyone is basically faking it and pretending like
that's why I like their tanks like literally just got
stuck in the mud. They no one had ever flagged that, well,
these things are not made to go into the mud.
And like instead of raising that flag up to say, hey,
actually there's a problem with this plan, mister putin that
you have because you're dead, you're getting thrown out of
a window. And like Russia does it in a way

(02:59:33):
that is very like everyone falls out of a window.
Like it's public. It's like they it's like they're bragging
about they're bragging about if you go not even just
go against us, you're just like you're not good at
what you do. We will throw you out of a
window and kill you, you know, And so that's like
that you're not going to have a very well functioning
government for the most part when that happens. No, And

(02:59:56):
I think China maybe is learning from some of that
of like that maybe we're overestimating some of our military capabilities.
Maybe we're underestimating Taiwan. Maybe we're like in Taiwan, like geographically,
is that actually even more complicated than Ukraine as far
as there's a lot of really natural there's some really
interesting articles about like why it would be so hard

(03:00:17):
for China to invade they'd see it coming. There's all
these there's all these situations where Taiwan. Like, I'm not
saying China's not planning ahead. I just think that both
of them have an outsized view of their capabilities, and
so I think China's learning from that. And I also
think China is happy to let Russia be the guinea pigs.
I think they can be allies, but they don't really
need Russia for anything. They are buying oil.

Speaker 1 (03:00:38):
But I also think that China if they see anything
from this is that if they wanted to do anything,
they pretty much stand on their own, like who's your ally,
because even even if it's like a North Korea, it's
it's already been proven that their own troops turned till
and run once they've got to taste of freedom and
get in the outside world.

Speaker 2 (03:00:57):
Yeah, because who's fighting something like who's fighting someone else's
war for territory at this point?

Speaker 1 (03:01:03):
Like I mean, yeah, twenty twenty five, are are we
still doing this fight? Like that's so stupid to me.

Speaker 2 (03:01:08):
Like even in World War Two, it wasn't like Japan
and Germany were really allies, you know what I mean.
It's not that they were there, just like two empires
that were trying to expand their empires at the same time.
It wasn't like like one of them was gonna win
out in that fight at some point. Now, I mean,

(03:01:30):
I think the most interesting Trump theory that I totally
buy and it makes all the sense in the world
is like and I'll try to find it in scient
to you. Basically, it's like explaining how growing up in
like New York sort of more mob controlled New York.
It's like he thinks of the world, the way of
like the way the mob works. It's like you have
your area and I have my area, and as long

(03:01:52):
as we don't piss on each other, right, you get
to do your thing. I get to do my thing,
and like we demand respect from the bottom up of
our thing. And that's why he's always villifying his friends
like he doesn't ever you know, it's like he talks more.
He talks more crap on all those European countries than
he does on Russia than he does on China. He's
done more, like he's done more actions with tariffs, like

(03:02:13):
China is the one country that we need to actually
do some trade changes with because they're taking unfair advantage
of us. But he's not going after China with tariffs.
He's going after like in he's going after Israel. Israel
has a higher tariff than or Brazil, or he's going
after like it's just whoever pisses him off, whoever's like

(03:02:34):
insufficiently loyal to him. But it's because he thinks he
gets to decide what happens in this hemisphere. Russia gets
to decide what happens in their area, China gets to
happen do what they do in their area, and I
think to some degree kind of feels not the exact
same way about Iran, because there's the Israel connection there
and so that's more complicated. But he doesn't have an
ally he likes better in Russia's region or China's region

(03:02:56):
of power, and so he's like, yeah, I like the
tough guy thing. Let them do what they want to do.
I don't really care. I don't think that's a good
way to organize the world. That can't happen without spillover
in Like we thought that going into World War Two,
we thought we can stay out of this. This is
not our fight. And I'm not saying that was even
wrong to say at the time, especially when we we

(03:03:17):
we get the benefit of looking back at history, and
you know, they didn't know the Holocaust was happening, Like
they did not have news reporters on the ground in
real time with satellite links. Like it's just more complicated
the way information moved. I believe that if we knew
more like we knew what we knew now, I think
we would have gotten in or whatever. I think the
American people would have potentially demanded it, but different war,

(03:03:39):
for sure, different war, for sure, but you get attacked
at Pearl Harbor and it's like, all right, we're in this.
It's like you know, and then it's like and then
once you start realizing what's going on, it's like, no,
we've got to push back. We got to make sure
this never happens again. Like so everything that happens after
we enter World War two is like, we've got to
make sure that empires don't try to expand territorially and
murder people in the process.

Speaker 1 (03:04:00):
US and I think the lines are drawn at this point,
like we we don't need to be going back to
the ancient days of you know, which ruler has the
bigger dick, and I'm going to take this territory because
I think I just need to expand.

Speaker 2 (03:04:12):
And I mean, you'll say that except that Donald Trump
wants to take Greenland and wants to bully Canada and
Mexico more than he told China, you know what I mean,
Like we are we are allowed.

Speaker 1 (03:04:24):
To be fair. The US did offered to buy Greenland
years ago. I forgot what the amount.

Speaker 2 (03:04:28):
Was, which I think would have been a great plan.
I actually think it's a good like it's a good
we shouldn't talk about invading Greenland.

Speaker 1 (03:04:37):
You know, you know he's trolling half the time. Like
I know, I know that you don't like him, and
I don't agree with everything he says or does either,
But you also got to recognize the troll in him.

Speaker 2 (03:04:46):
Right, But do you think you'll get what you want
when you do that?

Speaker 1 (03:04:49):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (03:04:51):
You know what I mean? Like, I don't I like it?

Speaker 1 (03:04:53):
For example, I could agree, I'm not going to agree
with the fact that he would, but there's just a
side of him that he just likes to antagonize and
poke the barons. I think you're totally right.

Speaker 2 (03:05:05):
I think most of the stuff, it's like we're most
of the stuff we talked about on a daily basis
is distraction, and he has distraction. However, I think the
other thing he does that's dangerous is he throws something
out as a joke true, and then judges the reaction
based on saying if it's a joke or not. And
once anyone starts going like, yeah, we should invade Greenland,
or yes we should teariff canaon in Mexico more than

(03:05:27):
we do China, then he goes, all right, I can
roll with this because it's like it's a way to
throw a trial balloon out there.

Speaker 1 (03:05:33):
And he's stressed tests class. That's exactly what he does.

Speaker 2 (03:05:36):
That's what he's doing every single time. He's stress testing.
And and the problem is we've got a feedback loop
where the Republican Party has said everything he says we
have to agree with and so he gets that act
get now, Sometimes people push back, Like some of the
hate speech stuff that Pambondi did last week was like
Charlie Kirk would would have absolutely argued with you that
there's free speech and then there's hate speech like that's

(03:05:57):
like totally not true, and like so he got pushed
back from the right for that, and again they just
get to go like, well I misspoke or it was
a joke or I'm just t you know, right, And
so I don't love that, Like that is always the fallback.
I'd rather just be like say what you mean, mean
what you say right in like Greenland could be a
good strategy, but like offer to be Like what I
want to do is work with Denmark to like I

(03:06:19):
want to have that territory for And here's the reasons
why I think we're scared of Russia and I think
it's a ge like like list the reasons, like make
the case. But when you joke about invading, you just
sound like Russia, and you just sound like China. You
just sound like a ron, You just sound like North
Korea's you know. So we think we're different. I think
we think we're more civilized, and I think the I

(03:06:41):
guess I'll sort of close with this. My overall view
of politics and the difference between conservatives and liberals is
that I come from the conservatives. I believe that people
are inherently bad. I think that we're flawed. I think
that people will pursue power if there's not a check
against it, Like these are all things that I just
think are human nature, and so I want a system

(03:07:01):
that blocks that from happening to the best of its ability.
And I just I think that we think we're better
than people one hundred years ago, a thousand years ago,
pick the time. And I don't think we are. I
think that in a lot of ways we are, Like
things are better, We've got technology, like people live longer,

(03:07:21):
people are like fewer people are starving, people are fewer
people are in poverty, Like there's all sorts of good
things about the world today. But when it comes to
the human.

Speaker 1 (03:07:29):
Heart and power and.

Speaker 2 (03:07:34):
Just all that stuff, I don't think we're really any
different when you look at what's going on in the
Middle East, when you look at what's happening with Russia
and Ukraine, you look at China, you look at even
just us and the way we've turned politics into an
US versus them and let's get all the power we
can and violence is okay against my enemy because they're evil.
I don't think we've really evolved as much as we
think we have. And I think that until we say,

(03:07:57):
like I think Americans, because that's the only people I'm
talk abo like us as voters, until we say, actually,
I don't want someone like I don't trust the government
to have control over what free speech is. I don't
trust unchecked power. I don't trust like Congress just relegating
all of their power to the executive branch, even when

(03:08:19):
it's someone in there that I like. I think until
that changes, until we actually change our view in humanation
and stop trusting people in power in like without question,
that we will like keep slipping down the slope. I think,
in combination with we don't have a World War two
style crisis that will wake us up. And I keep

(03:08:41):
thinking things will be that. I thought COVID might be
the thing that makes us go like, oh, here's just
a virus, Like no one's the bad guy. And as
soon I mean, we can blame, like we can talk
about like where did it come from, like labla theory
all this kind of stuff, and talk about like there
might be blame to go around. But like we went
in camps. It was like instead of going, hey, we

(03:09:02):
could actually like save lives, we could do things the
right way. We should look at data, we should got science.
We just went into our camps and said I'm on
side this and you're onside that, and we are enemies.

Speaker 1 (03:09:12):
And it was like humans are going to always be
human play period exactly. You're always gonna take an opportunity.
You can't. You can't ever no matter how how many
years we've been on Earth, it may have evolved as
as as a people, for some reason, we can't stamp
out jealousy, the desire for power, money really any whatever

(03:09:33):
whatever that currency may be.

Speaker 2 (03:09:35):
And like and like I mentioned, I'm a Christian, so
I mean I find all of this in like spiritual
like I mean I think that really it goes down
to it's like it's it's the deadly sins. I mean,
it's like.

Speaker 1 (03:09:44):
It's envy, it is it's lust, its.

Speaker 2 (03:09:47):
Power, it's like it's all the things that we've been
struggling with for the entirety of human existence. And when
you know, when we don't, I think it's like that happens.
But not only are we not willing to well, we're
willing to call things evil that I don't think are
really evil, and then but we don't really call out
real evil when it's there. It's a weird juxtaposition of

(03:10:12):
being able to believe, like on the left, that America
is evil and there's no redeeming of it because of slavery,
but at the same time, like every person deserves, like
is a good person. I'm like, well, those two things
can't really exist at the same time, like all people
can't be inherently good, and like our entire country and

(03:10:34):
everyone that's ever lived in it that's white is evil.
Like you can't have both those things right. But I
don't think most people have wrestled with the contradiction there.

Speaker 1 (03:10:44):
It's like the devil could be right in front of
you and you wouldn't recognize them.

Speaker 2 (03:10:49):
Oh absolutely, And I think that's the case a lot
of the times now. And it's not even that you
wouldn't recognize them, and it's now you would celebrate them
like that too, frankly, which is what I think is
the case if you celebrate someone murdering someone. Ever, like,
there's very few people on this earth that I would
celebrate their death, and most of them are those people

(03:11:09):
that are oppressing you know, entire countries full of people
or or evil or they're terrorists or they're you know,
they're like they are evil, and I think that they were.

Speaker 1 (03:11:18):
Obvious problem or blight to humanity.

Speaker 2 (03:11:21):
I mean, it has right, but even then, I'd rather
see Putin overthrown by his own people. And like that's
what I like.

Speaker 1 (03:11:29):
The solution is always the people need to stand up.

Speaker 2 (03:11:34):
It is that that gets really really hard. And I
do think those countries are I think those leaders are
scared of their people. I mean, there's a billion Chinese people.
There's no way the government is not scared of those people. Really,
it doesn't even take a majority of them to have
a real threat on your you know, like you could

(03:11:55):
not we we always talk like the common thing is
always like, well you can camp again. Everyone thought Russia
would just go in there and crush Ukraine. It turns
out then when people are willing to fight for their country,
it's like they're scrappy. We we had a real tough
time fighting, you know, a bunch of people in caves
in Iraq and Afghanistan rootimentry weapons, Like we had the

(03:12:16):
best best technology in the world as far as that
stuff goes, and we are having trouble trying to figure
out how to like stop roadside bombs from killing our
like I D S and stuff like. It is all right, military,
MIT's not always all cracked up to be?

Speaker 1 (03:12:30):
Is all right? Where's the bright spot? How are we
going to fix all this? Man, we've been We've been
going for for a long hours. I've been bad at this.
I need to start. Fine, man, you're fine. I have
no problem talking for a long time. And I think
I think about two to three hours easy.

Speaker 2 (03:12:47):
I think the bright spot, if there is one, it's
not You're not gonna like the bright spot. I do
think that in a real crisis, people can wake up
and realize that and just totally change. I mean, I like,
I don't think it takes. I think there's some ways
that we need to do gradual change, but like convincing

(03:13:08):
people that we should change the way we elect like
do primaries, Like I don't have a real like I
think that that's a problem, but I also think it's
unrealistic to think that that's going to go away. I
think the same thing with the congressional stuff. It's like,
I think all that stuff you said is true, but
I think it's going to be hard to convince Congress
to vote for their own pay cuts and job you
know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (03:13:27):
And so.

Speaker 2 (03:13:29):
But I do go like what has worked in the past,
and unfortunately, the thing that works in the past is is,
you know, we get attacked by Japan at Pearl Harbor,
and it wakes us up to understanding that like, oh,
this is real and this is not just something that's
happening somewhere else that we feel like it's not our
thing to deal with, and people stepped up. It's not

(03:13:51):
just that we got into World War two, it's that
like we sent off all our men to fight for
other countries.

Speaker 1 (03:13:56):
Essentially.

Speaker 2 (03:13:56):
I mean, like, I know, we got attacked by Japan
and we really but like the europe stuff, had nothing,
I mean, nothing to do with this. We just kind
of said like, okay, we got to fight this war
on two fronts and help our friends out right, the
women go to work, we change factories from cars to weapons.
I mean, like it was a the whole nation got
behind that thing. I think nine to eleven was kind

(03:14:18):
of one of those things.

Speaker 1 (03:14:19):
Isn't it sad that conflict like wars are the only
thing that unite us as a people?

Speaker 2 (03:14:25):
Yeah, it is.

Speaker 1 (03:14:25):
Is there not any other reason?

Speaker 2 (03:14:28):
Well, I mean I do think that at some point
things can get bad, and I mean I think the
fiscal crisis could also do the same thing, you know,
great depression, and I think we're heading towards something like
that with the debt we have. It's just it's unsustainable.
At some point that will a matter of time collapse

(03:14:49):
and that will that can be the thing I said,
I don't see any way that it's like we just
slowly figured out because you mentioned you mentioned going in
all all in on the lies earlier, and it's worked
very well for Donald Trump. It's just like a say
it over and over and over again till people believe it.
Democrats instead of saying we could be a different kind

(03:15:11):
of party. It's very obvious that they've just learned from
that and they're just going to start doing that like
that's the new thing. It's like, and so I think
the lesson learned is a bad lesson. And I think,
you know, I think what people really want is authentic
people to be their leaders. I think both parties have
not figured that out. I think that if they just
figured out, like if we run real honest people, even

(03:15:34):
if they have some opinions that rub people the wrong way,
they're going to be refreshed by the honesty or whatever.

Speaker 1 (03:15:38):
It's like.

Speaker 2 (03:15:39):
I think people like Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump because
they were so authentic. I'm not saying they tell the
truth all the time, but I think they're authentically themselves.
They're not changing their accent. Donald Trump keeps the suit
on at McDonald's, like he's not getting on a flannel
shirt to pretend he's a farmer. He's not going on
a fake duck hunt or something. It's not him.

Speaker 1 (03:15:57):
He just won't do it.

Speaker 2 (03:15:58):
Bernie Sanders doesn't do it either. Think that's what attracted
people to those politicians. But I just don't see a
I don't see a way that we don't have some
sort of crisis that gets us there. I hope it's
not a war, but wars are traditionally the things that
that do galvanize people. But it could be, like nothing else,

(03:16:18):
it could be an economic crisis. I mean, I think
that's something that makes people wake up and demand stuff.
We've seen that around the world. I think that there
is a degree of like wanting to better. I think
the one thing that I would say, I don't really
I'm not big into the populist like America first stuff,
because I think most of it is is is has

(03:16:41):
the seeds of racism underneath it, and they pretend it's
not there, but it's really by we don't like that
white people aren't like for the most part. That's where again,
we just keep pulling the thread. That's where we always
end up being. But I do think there's value in saying, like,
I think we need to better defind what an American is,
and that's hard to do. And half of the country,
the sort of party that is capitulated to the progressive

(03:17:04):
wing that says there's nothing redemptive about this country, can't
say can't define Americanism because they say it's evil, and
the right side says, you know, it's a bunch of
stuff that doesn't really matter. Like I think that I'm
a Christian. I don't think that we need like I
don't need the Ten Commandments to be in schools for
me to have security in the idea that like you

(03:17:26):
can be a Christian in this country, like we're not persecuted.
The people that are pretending that Christians are being persecuted
in this country are insane. Now, they're really actually you
want to see where they're getting persecuted. It's like China.
It's also where they're growing the most. So I'm just
like that kind of stuff bothers me. But like neither
side will really define what Americanism is. So the right
is saying, you know, literally, I think did Jad Advance

(03:17:48):
tweet this out? I might be wrong about someone put
a thing out the other day. It is pretty prominent.
It was kind of like, here's the levels of Americanism.
And it's like, you know, if your ancestors came here
in the fifteen hundreds, you're sixty, obviously you're more American
than someone that came here last you know, you're you're you're,
you're a second generation American, And it's basically this way

(03:18:08):
to say, here's this hierarchy of who's more American than other.

Speaker 1 (03:18:11):
And I'm like that you're talking about talking about now,
and it's.

Speaker 2 (03:18:15):
Very much a white nationalist. It's like it's wrapped up
in we're pretending we're not being racist. But I think
the better thing to define Americanism is, like, we believe in, first,
in free speech. If you come here, uh, if you
want to come here and we vet you and you
don't believe in free speech, we're gonna say no. If
you think you can shout down other people or you
can use violence to shut down people, no, we're not

(03:18:36):
interested in having you here. We believe in voting, we
believe in democracy, we believe in in federalism. Whatever we're
going to like, we need to define that better. And
I think the Constitution does a great job at defining this.

Speaker 1 (03:18:49):
We're just gonna fine, we just don't stick to it.

Speaker 2 (03:18:52):
Yeah, But I think that's the problem is that, like,
if you ask what does it mean to be American
to one hundred people right now, you might at one
hundred different.

Speaker 1 (03:19:00):
Answers just because they don't know.

Speaker 2 (03:19:02):
And I think I think Britain is going through that too.
I think that France is going through that. I think
a lot of countries are going through that. And I
don't believe that we somehow made assimilation a bad.

Speaker 1 (03:19:14):
You know, honestly, we don't even we don't even know
how to define our culture.

Speaker 2 (03:19:17):
Let's just be honest, right, And it's because you it
doesn't happen. But like I said, it needs to be broad.
Like I said, we believe in free speech, and if
you don't believe in free speech, we don't want you
here in America. Like that should be that's the litmus test.
It shouldn't be your skin color, your religion. But like
you know what I mean. And and but there are
people on the right that want it to be and

(03:19:37):
there are people on the left that say the exact
same thing. They're just like the white people are the
bad people, you know what I mean. It's it's no
different Like anytime we say someone's skin color is the
thing that defines them, primarily it's racist. It doesn't matter
if you're saying it's good or bad. It's it's you know.
And so to me, I think there's like we need
to have a national discussion of like what does that mean?

(03:19:57):
Because I think we do need to think about like
I want immigrants in this country, but I want to
be selective about it, like I don't want someone coming
to this country that hates this country.

Speaker 1 (03:20:06):
Yeah, but I don't care that immigrants are here because
we all were at some point. I mean, you could
trace almost to anyone's family. It's whether or not they
are adding value yep, and assimilating period, just as I
would be expected to if I move to another country. Yep.
And we do have a culture. It's not a white culture,
a black culture, amazing culture. It's actually an amalgamation of all.

(03:20:28):
But I think what happened is there is an American
way of life, but all these other cultures and immigrants
came in and they added value and made it something
unique exactly. And that's the thing. It's like, we need
to get back to preserving that. You know, similar one
who doesn't believe in free speech, as you said, right
to come in and just bulldoze that and then totally
wipe it off the face of the earth and just

(03:20:49):
start something anew because they just don't like America. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:20:52):
And I think that there's a there's a radicalization in
grouping around people that are just like you. And that
is whether you've got like Muslim communities that are maybe
like like we have in in in Minnesota, there's quite
a bit of that, or you have in London kind
of right now. Sometimes that's white conservatives, sometimes that's black liberals.

(03:21:16):
I mean, like anytime you get with a group of
people that all look and act and think exactly and
you know, exactly like you, extremism, Like it's like social
science sows that, like you're gonna get more extreme opinions
that come out of that and more extreme examples. And
I don't know how to force people to live by
each other. But that's why I think cities are great,
is because cities naturally don't let you not bump into

(03:21:41):
people you don't.

Speaker 1 (03:21:41):
Like you live in New York City, opportunities will always
always be either blake because when you when you immigrate,
you want to be around people that you're familiar with
speak the same language, Like they can learn English, but
they're always to be fluent in their native tongue. Yeah,
So I get why that happens, and I don't have
a problem with that. There's always gonna be subcommunities, but to.

Speaker 2 (03:22:00):
Me, it should always it should be doing this, it
should be spreading out. So like my my wife I mentioned,
is Italian or family came over here obviously like they
lived in really Italian those kind of things, like when
all Italians were coming over here and they were being
discriminated against and stuff. They lived in these little groups
of you know people that they were like when. But
then they also started influencing the culture. Not by like
demanding that they influenced the culture. It's like they started

(03:22:22):
making like everything we think of it as Italian food.
They didn't have an alien at the time because they
were too poor. They didn't have meat, they didn't have
meat balls getting meat here because finally they like had
the life where they could like cook with better ingredients,
and like I mean, they influenced and so like their
influence happened. You know, I think of it because I
just love Italian food, like very food, Like same thing

(03:22:43):
with Mexican stuff. It is like I love like Mexican
food talk like all that kind of stuff I love.
I love different.

Speaker 1 (03:22:49):
Cultures, like different that's different than cultures who isolate and
create their own communities for the sake of not wanting
to integrate.

Speaker 2 (03:22:58):
Isolation is the problem is when you don't try to
move out and you don't let people in, that is
always a problem. And like that's always going to take
decades too, by the way, it's time we're going to
take like that can't happen over the course of a
couple of years. But you know, I think of it
like we have I don't know if it's like what
we I mean, I know we do. We have like
a very high percentage of Asian Americans in Oklahoma because

(03:23:20):
we were just one of the places during the Vietnam
War and stuff that were just like come on, I
guess I don't really know how it happened or whatever,
but like we have an amazing Asian district and amazing restaurants.
They're like on I mean, like John Mulaney talked about
like an Asian grocery store because you know, Earbien months
from here or whatever, and they're married and like on
on the Tonight show. You know what I mean. It's like,

(03:23:42):
but that like they did it by like the and
and also there's a degree of like we welcome and
they wanted to be here, and they like want their
kids to educated, and they want their like I even
look back at that and I go every I went
to school with a lot of a lot of Vietnamese
people who like whose parents came here and then they
were born American citizens. All of them had like an
Asian name and an American name. Like all of those
parents that gave them a we're going to give you

(03:24:04):
an American name too, because they wanted their kid to
like they knew that this was it was going to
be different. That's hard to do with kids that would
I've never had to do that. I've never had to
like take my kids to another country and be okay
with like letting them become the definition of that country
and abandon you know, because like that's a that's a

(03:24:25):
scary thing to do.

Speaker 1 (03:24:27):
Well. A lot of a lot of cultures did that
when they immigrated within a certain time. Because even my
my dad's side, when they came over, they're from the
Azores and they're all Portuguese, and when they have kids
like me being one of those kids that generation, they
intentionally want them to speak English only didn't even teach
Portuguese for whatever reason, which they should have.

Speaker 2 (03:24:46):
Now I don't I don't love like that we eliminated
German as a language. It's just because of World War
two and stuff, like we did some stuff. We've done
a lot of stuff in America that I don't like
the way we did that, but I got that's what
I want. It's like like Asian immigrants are perfect example
of like they are thriving because they come here for
a better opportunity for their kids, and they make sure
that that happens by by like making sure their kids

(03:25:09):
get educated and making sure that they're you know, it's
like they've done a good job. And that's and by
the way, that's like across the bord ation, that's Indian,
that's Vietnamese, that's Japanese, like any like any immigrants, it's
mostly you know, the it's not a lot of Japanese
immigrants because Japan wasn't, you know, like bad in the
seventies and eighties or something like that. You know, but
you know, venam India, you've got all these immigrants that

(03:25:32):
like they to me, do it the right way in
the sense that like their goal is like I think
I can make a better life for myself there that
the land of opportunity. There's all these things that I
can do there that I can't do here. And I
want better for my kids. Everyone wants better for their kids.
And like, I don't think black people get enough credit
for Like what drives me crazy about anyone that tries

(03:25:53):
to pretend that like black people are this problem is
that like they've been Americans for longer than you have,
probably if you're white. Yeah, like your ancestors came here
in the nineteen hundreds and there's came here in the
fourteen I've learned sixteen hundreds or whatever. Sometimes and I'm
not saying that makes them more American than you. It
just bothers me that we discount like so often. And
like I said, I'm just picking on the right because

(03:26:16):
I think that's where most of the racism towards black
people is. And like I said, it's not normally that
they would say they don't, like they would never associate
with black people. They probably have black friends, but they
still think of them in this like monoculture. And that's
the other thing we do too much, is just like
try to pretend to all black people are the same,
or all Hispanic people are the same, or all white
people they're same.

Speaker 1 (03:26:34):
It's like, OK, I think that that also depends on
the individual, like how you grew up, you know, I
because when I grew up, I wasn't I was not
in an all white area necessarily. I was like all
my friends from Mexican and black. Yeah, I just have
a different experience, for sure.

Speaker 2 (03:26:50):
But even when you don't have even if you don't
have experience with those people, like what you should want
to do is have experience with and sometimes that's not possible.
Like there's just not a big that I I know,
like three Jewish.

Speaker 1 (03:27:03):
Fears on both sides, though it's not it's not just
white people for example, some on both sides because because
that message has been driven for so many years that
we hate each other. Well again, by the way, don't
you're suspicious You're like, well, I don't know, I've heard
you know well, And.

Speaker 2 (03:27:18):
Keep in mind also something that's like biological is.

Speaker 1 (03:27:21):
Like you.

Speaker 2 (03:27:23):
Know, scientifically, I can't tell the difference between other races
as much as and the same thing with me. I
had a teacher with the substitute on time that was
Korean or something, and uh, you know it's a bunch
of musicians like me, we got long hair, and like
he was there for like you know, the like two
weeks or something, someone's on their honeymoon or something, and
so he kept taking a role and he'd like get
his confusing. He's like, oh, yeah, white people look the

(03:27:44):
same to me. And we thought it was so funny
because the truth is it's like we do to them
just like they doesn't. And that doesn't mean a racist.
It's literally a biological thing in your brain. However, Uh, Like,
my favorite story ever is of the guy and I
always forget his name, musician and he he basically started
like trying to convert Couclux clan members.

Speaker 1 (03:28:05):
It's a shame that I forgot his name you're talking about.

Speaker 2 (03:28:08):
Uh, I'm gonna find it because it's but it's so
amazing because he basically decided, like I'm going to just
have conversations these people. I'm gonna invite them to Yeah.
I was just not I can't remember his name, but
he literally would just have these people over for dinner,
like viehmaily racist people that say he you know, like
and he has the hoods of all the people he converted.

(03:28:29):
And the game was yeah, probably I didn't see it,
but I mean to me, that is like.

Speaker 1 (03:28:35):
I just brought them because I might have triggered his name,
I forget. But yeah, that was a great story.

Speaker 2 (03:28:39):
The reason what's so wonderful about that is like he
had every like I would have discounted all those people,
like I would not have wanted I would not have
invited those people to dinner, Like I am definitely like
a justice guy where I'm like, nope, you've got an
evil opinion about something, and I'm I'm discounting you completely.
And the thing is, we're not just doing that with
stuff like racism. We're doing that with you voted for

(03:29:01):
Donald Trump. I'm I'm done with you. You voted for
Kamala Harris, I'm done with you.

Speaker 1 (03:29:06):
You.

Speaker 2 (03:29:06):
You know, we're doing that with everything, And so we're
isolating where we're like only going to be around people
that we think like and look like. And I think
his example is better. It's like, no, and now I
think that's an extreme example. I'm not saying everyone should
invite racists over for dinner like that's fine, Like it
would be crazy, but it was.

Speaker 1 (03:29:22):
It was. It was a great great example of going
out and really really you know, taking a situation head
on and and just saying, you know, what I know,
I know what I heard, I know what's out there.
I'm going to take all this push that bullshit aside
and I'm going to make these people talk to me,
and I'm going to find out why they feel the
way they do.

Speaker 2 (03:29:41):
And what happened every time. I mean, I don't know
if there's actually every time, but according to the most
of them, yeah, is that like like all of a sudden,
they're like having a conversation with a black person for
the first time in their life, and they realized that, wait,
we're a lot alike, like you love your family, I
love my family, like we have a lot of the

(03:30:02):
same value like well, and eventually just the scales fall
off your eyes and you realize this is silly. And
I have found that with political conversations, like I don't
ever no one ends up I'm not just gonna say
no one ends up hating me. But I feel like
every time I have even a very like, very passionate
argument with someone about something that I like strongly believe
they're wrong on, like I think we can do that

(03:30:24):
in America without vilifying the other side or thinking they're evil.
Like I go into thinking like I think that a
lot of the progressive ideas are looney tunes. But I
do I don't think it's because they want to destroy America. Well,
I think they have genuine I think underneath it they
have good intentions. Now, like good intentions don't matter at
all to me, because I've seen the horrors that come

(03:30:47):
out of good intentions sometimes, Like and I've.

Speaker 1 (03:30:50):
Had I've had the situation you're talking about before, because
even you know, on my show, it's easy, it's easy
on even some of my earlier stuff for people to
pay me as being some maga guy. Yeah, and then
we get to talking and it's like they will come
at me a certain way, and then by the end
it's like they realize it's not what I am, you know.
And and again I don't know, I'm really sure what
I am anyway. I know I'm conservative, but I think

(03:31:11):
I'm more like you. I'm not, I think, kind of
homeless in that.

Speaker 2 (03:31:14):
You got to treat people as individuals. We're not very
good at that, as zooming out to a country of
three hundred and thirty million people and being able to
talk as people as individuals, because that's really hard. It's abstract.
It's too hard to think and so like them. So
we lump everyone together and then we blame you know,
if one person does something bad from that crew, we
say that applies to all of them. Republicans are doing
that with transgenders right now. Again statistically, yeah, maybe there's

(03:31:38):
been eight trans shooters, but like even then, like, let's
just look at the pattern. Most of them have been white, young,
and male.

Speaker 1 (03:31:44):
Does that mean right? Like, so what does that mean? Right?
You know?

Speaker 2 (03:31:47):
So it's like do we have to like, no, we
don't have to do that. We can say that person
behave badly, or we can even say that like we
think that some of the ideology influenced it. I think
that's even totally fair to say true. But to try
to say, like Donald Trump wants to take guns rights
away from all transgender people, you know, and like good
for the NRA for being like, nope, we actually think
that's not legal. You cannot take someone's Second Amendment rights

(03:32:09):
away because they're transgender.

Speaker 1 (03:32:11):
Let's let's wrap this up.

Speaker 2 (03:32:12):
Yeah, it sounds good because I've hear it went way
too long.

Speaker 1 (03:32:15):
No, no, it's it's it's fine. But you know, here's
to talking things out and coming up with ideas and
hopefully somebody hears some of these ideas, mostly from you,
by the way, and implements these as solutions. But uh, yeah,
you know, I have a feeling I'm going to be
staying in touch with you, and I love to I
need to have you on mind too. Yeah, I'd happy.

Speaker 2 (03:32:36):
I would love to have you on some time and
we'll try to narrow the discussion because I try to
keep minds an hour because I just most people don't
want to hear me for any longer than that. But
I got to start giving myself a hard out, maybe
because otherwise I'll just talk about this stuff forever because
I think it matters.

Speaker 1 (03:32:51):
That's all right, man, Well thank you. I'm sure, like
I said, I know, I'm going to be talking to it. Yeah, yeah,
for sure. Of course, everybody please check out blakes podcast
Homeless Conservative, correct the Homeless Conservative.

Speaker 2 (03:33:04):
So that's on any of the podcast things, YouTube everywhere.
You know how the internet works, The Homeless Conservative.

Speaker 1 (03:33:10):
I should come out if you could listen to my show,
you could listen to Blake's for sure. It's easy enough,
all right, appreciate it tas your content field intention devils
higher redemption.

Speaker 2 (03:33:26):
Hug stands on my get

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