Charlie Kirk Assassination

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Okay, First offener preakfaces.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
Obviously we have guests here, and I also want everybody
to know that I had a full show prepared and
tell everything that happened today. So we got the text
message that Charlie Kirk was murdered shot. I would even
go as far to say as assassinated. So to join
me today to give their thoughts on today's whatever happened.
You know that we're still trying to get details on,
not even taking in an account everything else that happened

(00:28):
this week, which was insane. So I had my brother,
the host of The Manual Fawn Show, also co host
of Random Pops with Manuel George. I've got Kate the
Duchess of New Jersey, host of Boomer Bunker podcast. She's
there on the bottom over there, depending on how to
look at this, probably bottom left.

Speaker 1 (00:46):
Bottom right.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
Jesse Razinsky, he's been on the show a few times.
Thank you Jesse for being here, host of the Jesse
Razinski Show. With that being said, I think this hit everybody.
I don't know, I don't know if everybody on a level,
but it definitely woke everybody up given the rhetoric and
everything that's been going on, lately, we can We definitely
can't ignore there hasn't been a narrative that's been pushed

(01:09):
by the medium, and even in the institutional educational organizations
right or the or the educational institutions themselves. Charlick Kirk
was in Utah doing what he does, which is basically
given speeches, allowing people to give their opinions and then
he would then debate them. But somebody thought it was
the right time to take him out for no other

(01:29):
reason than challenging narratives, and given his opinions, I don't
have a lot of detail, and given the fact that
we're doing this with all of you here, I'm not sure.
I'm going to do a lot of videos and clips.
I think everybody's seen everything. It's just a matter of, like,
you know, let's just discuss the event. Let's discuss what
might have led to this. I know it's a lot
of conjecture. We're going to be guessing because there's still

(01:50):
there's still a lot of details that need to come out. Right,
So I'm going to start with Jesse here because I
know I spoke to you earlier today and you had
a few things that.

Speaker 1 (01:59):
You digging up.

Speaker 2 (02:01):
But seriously, this is a this, this is something that's
a bit somber. It's to me, it's a confirmation of
the divide in America right now, the unfortunate divide. And
it's not, in my opinion, a divide that you know,
somebody wakes up, looks at your neighbor and go, screw
that person, fuck that guy, you know whatever. I think
it's just people being conditioned over time, you know, psychologically,

(02:24):
through as I said, and the messaging, the narrative, you know,
even even the words in print. You know, if you
see something enough you start to accept it. If I say,
for example, my brother Manuel, if there's a dog enough
times and you start to hear it every day, then
you're a good eventually say yeah, you know, the guy's
a dog. Just just the same playbook that the Nazis pulled,
correct And that's what they did over time, you know,

(02:45):
telling a lie enough and it becomes a truth. And
that's what we've been dealing with in America unfortunately, and
also in the UK. But we're gonna focus on the
events that happen here today. Jesse, what what if you
what if you found uncovered? And what are your thoughts
on what happened in regard to Charlie Kirk, and you
know what that means for America right now? I'm moving
forward because it seems like we're definitely a powder cake.

(03:06):
Feels to me like the bomb, you know, the fuse
on the bomb. It hasn't been lit, it's been cut
shorter and shorter, and we're at the point that just
the sparks just gonna make it blow.

Speaker 1 (03:13):
What do you think? You're right? Yeah, I mean there's
an easy one. You're right. I'm like, I mean, I
think it's a steaming pile of shit that's been brewing
for fifteen or so years. I don't know, it's on
ACTI duty even all the I mean, at least when

(03:35):
it got like crazy crazy, because at least, yeah, twenty
years ago, we could still find something to agree with
on people. Now it's just this ten This is a
brick wall. Yeah it sounds like one too, but uh,
you know that's I mean, I don't know. I finally

(03:56):
figured out, you know, got myself up to even do this,
but it's disgusting. I've seen a lot of people like
my buddy Larry, and he's even more miserable than me.
I know, that's hard to believe. But he compared it
to like the MLK, you know, Martin Luther King thing. Yeah,
my sister said it was right around it. And I
mean pretty much the word fascist and Nazi has been

(04:18):
getting flung around for ever many years now, and remember
we have to stop them at all costs. And well
today we figured that shit out, uh terribly, by the way.
And I don't know, I just seeing too much bullshit
back and forth. I don't know if you've been to me.

(04:39):
I sent you some of the stuff that I saw
while I was just trying to you know, Yeah, I
back inside of me to do this. Yeah. And I
also got a text message from my nephew.

Speaker 2 (04:48):
I'll reveal it too much about him because you know whatever,
But he was able to get a video of King
from the crowd and it, you know, you can see
the shot clear his day straight into the I mean it,
it was.

Speaker 1 (05:01):
It was a hit.

Speaker 2 (05:02):
It was an assassination. Period that was not something that
anyone about two to three hundred yards out, you know,
according to my nephew's estimate, and looking at the entry wound,
he was saying, yeah, that guy's there's no way he's alive.

Speaker 1 (05:14):
That was that was way too precise to just be
extremely random thing to be.

Speaker 2 (05:20):
Extremely precise right in the throat.

Speaker 1 (05:23):
And we don't need it to be.

Speaker 2 (05:26):
Yeah, so what do you think led to this? Anybody?
I mean, at this point, we can just start chiming in.
Doct you see how any words on this anything that
you think.

Speaker 1 (05:35):
You know?

Speaker 3 (05:37):
Jesse said, it's like that, you know, like that's that
you would also indicated it was like the the fuse
getting shorter and shorter. And I feel like that this
was is a catalyst. I'm very concerned about what's going
to happen the next few days. Ironic that this happened
right before nine to eleven tomorrow, you know, that's I.

Speaker 2 (05:59):
Mean, I didn't even register for me.

Speaker 1 (06:01):
I'd been.

Speaker 3 (06:03):
Yeah, so well I'm in Jersey, so it's kind of
it's it's close and it's you know, it's it's I
guess close to home, so to speak. But I think
that just people are so callous and it's just I
mean I found that I was just scrolled when I
heard about it, start scrolling right and the video just

(06:24):
I'm like, oh, what's this? And it just it was
that clear as day shot, which I was not happy
to see no warning, no nothing like don't play like
it auto played when it came up, and I was
not happy to see that.

Speaker 4 (06:39):
And it's heartbreaking.

Speaker 3 (06:41):
He's thirty one, like he's young, he's got family, young kids,
and it's just you know the fact that he's out
there and was it is an assassination. Someone deliberately shot him.
There's no oops my gun went off like MSNBC was
doing like maybe please don't even get me started.

Speaker 2 (06:59):
Reported that it was it was a supporter who was
shooting their gun off in celebration.

Speaker 4 (07:03):
Please, like gun owners don't know how to handle the gun.

Speaker 1 (07:08):
And beyond that, I.

Speaker 2 (07:09):
Also have like I I'm not going to post any
but just when I was gleaming some of the news
headlines and reading through like the BBC, I think CNN,
I'm not going to say that for sure, but I
know like the BBC they were calling right away they
had to say and even the Garden Guardian, you know,
Charlie Kirk Trump ally they had to throw.

Speaker 1 (07:27):
That in there.

Speaker 2 (07:27):
Of course, you know right away they how to politicize this.
Obviously it is political. It's a political hit. Yeah, clearly
was you know, nobody wants to wants to stand back
and accept what led to this and what fueled this fire,
which has been the division, hate and messaging. You know,
we can't talk about anything period. If you're conservative, you're

(07:47):
attacked for anything regardless, and you know right away you're
labeled a nut, chop afar right, a maga whatever, just
just for having, you know, a difference of opinion. And
a lot of times the Neil isn't even that freaking far.
It really isn't, you know. It's just just slight differences
and people these extremes like violence and death is exactly
where we have to go. I don't know, I don't

(08:10):
know what the future holds for us, you know, in
America right now. But you know, we're definitely on the
wrong path. I'm not sure how we're going to write
this at all.

Speaker 4 (08:18):
It's scary.

Speaker 1 (08:19):
It's very scary.

Speaker 3 (08:20):
It's frightening to see where how violent and I feel
like it's we've hit down this path and it's like
the stone rolling down the hill. It's just getting faster
and more aggressive and more angry, and like who's next?
What's the target? And I mean literally who's next?

Speaker 2 (08:38):
You know, well that is the question, Who is next?
And you know that, like I said, it's being politicized
like crazy. You know, right away out the gate, Charlie
never did anything anybody. He never threatened anybody physically, never
threatened him even in words, you know, talk to everyone.
You just challenge the narrative. You just try to get
people to think outside their bubble and their little you know,

(08:59):
safe space, as they don't like the fact that he
was you know, for you know, pro choice. He has
a picient opinions about you know, trans people, et cetera.
But everybody does. But doesn't mean he was calling for
the death of these people, you know. And and the
reaction now because where we've been pushed as a nation,
you know, give given all the rhetoric, call the political rhetoric,

(09:21):
it's just boiling over. And on top of that we
have the other things that's been happening. I would not
have to dive too deep into it, but like the
murder of the twenty three year old Ukrainian refugee on
the train and how that's being not just politicized but
being turned into you know, the catalyst of a race
war now and.

Speaker 1 (09:40):
You know we can go into the data on that.

Speaker 2 (09:41):
I mean, yeah, there's been an increase of black and
white crime and murder. But at the same time, you know,
who's pushing this narrative, who's really asking for us to
be divided based on race. I don't know if there's
a civil war coming or if there's just going to
be I don't know, a breakout of this in general,
you know, based on assumptions and finger pointing, A lot

(10:04):
of people feel like this might actually this action today
regarding Charlie Kirk is a you know, tipping point. I
don't I don't know how you guys feel about that.

Speaker 5 (10:12):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
Mandel, did you have any any time to dive into
any of this at Allgy, Did you glean anything, have
anything to add to this?

Speaker 5 (10:20):
Oh?

Speaker 6 (10:21):
What I was gonna say was that I was trying
to confirm if they actually caught the guy and like
who he was. But they say they have a guy,
but they won't say who he is or what is
a feeling, you know, any information whatsoever, which I kind
of find kind of strange because anytime it goes a
certain way, there's just a bible on whoever the hell

(10:44):
the shooter or it usually is. You know, it's like
kind of weird to me that they that this is happening.
But my thing with this is it took this many
attempted assassinations slash assassinations to get anybody with the Democratic
Party to even issue concondemnations on these things. Because when

(11:07):
something would happen, like with the healthcare guy, it was like, well,
this is an eye opener for healthcare, not necessarily if
that dude healthcare, good person or whatever. It's just those
types of things just really boggled with my mind. I
was like, oh, now, you guys here, we are five
to six attempts or assassinations in and now you guys

(11:27):
are going to say, you know, we should you know,
condemn this now, now it's time to actually come together.

Speaker 5 (11:34):
It just really it really irked me.

Speaker 6 (11:37):
And then I was kind of going through the other side,
you know, the pod Save Assholes and all those guys,
and Tommy Vetur is up there and he's trying to
basically equate every every shooting as an issue and not
addressing what just happened, just kind of dismissing it. And

(11:57):
then he's like, well, we really got to stop with
this rhetoric and pointing fingers at the other side and
it's like you were the one pointing fingers at the
other side, you and all your people, and all of
a sudden, now we have to take a break.

Speaker 5 (12:14):
You know, when you.

Speaker 6 (12:14):
Got your your Maxine Waters, you got your Chuck Schumers,
you got all these guys standing on the on Congress
and throwing a fit.

Speaker 5 (12:23):
Oh, we're gonna get you.

Speaker 6 (12:23):
We're gonna do this, We're gonna do that, you know,
and they had and they're like, it's okay because it's
not gonna lead to anything. And then when it does,
it's like they don't want to talk about it. So
it takes this many bodies to get you to notice it.
And that shit just really bothered me today. It wasn't
is the Is it a tragic thing for Charlie Kirk? Yes,
the whole thing is. It's all said, a wife and

(12:45):
two kids are gonna bury their father, their husband, you know,
all of that, and and that is tragic his entire legacy.
Turning point, you say, that whole thing is probably gonna
go under. No kid is gonna have the courage to
speak up in school anymore because they just ice the
guy or off the guy.

Speaker 5 (13:04):
How do you want to say it?

Speaker 6 (13:06):
And now the Democrats are going to come around and
start talking like this, Oh, Bernie Sanders has put up
a post.

Speaker 5 (13:12):
We got to stop this. It's like.

Speaker 2 (13:15):
I would almost to say, I would almost dare to say, man, like,
that's part of the plan, almost right, Like what you said.
You know, no one's gonna want to stand up and
speak now or fear of being killed for having, you know,
a conservative viewpointer just a different opinion outside of the
liberal group three think. I can't speak, excuse me for
a long day, but yeah, liberal group think and that

(13:38):
that's that's a problem, that really is a problem. I
I agree with you, man, I mean, it's it's all,
it's all true. And then you know, I saw a
post earlier today on social media, just multiple platforms, not
just stacks, where there's videos of people saying, oh, well,
Charlie was for Pro two A. Well guess what, here's
your Pro two A.

Speaker 1 (13:59):
Like, how do you I don't even conlate those two
issues and try try.

Speaker 2 (14:04):
Right, Yeah, I'm with Dutchess, like, come on, how are
you even making that an argument? How is that even
even any way for you to enforce that this was
a good thing, And there was people cheering for Charlie's death, like, oh,
Charlie Kirk died, Oh whatever, you know, he deserved it.

Speaker 4 (14:20):
A lot of people are cheering.

Speaker 6 (14:23):
There's a photo, uh, Yahoo News, some guy holding up
a cardboard sign basically saying Charlie Kirk died heart awesome.
And he's just standing in front of the tent. So
they already had people there being retarded.

Speaker 1 (14:38):
That's interesting.

Speaker 2 (14:40):
It's like there was it just really seemed like well,
it didn't seem like it was you can tell it
was a planned it.

Speaker 6 (14:47):
NBC was sitting there going, oh, wait, how are we
going to angle this? You know, because it's like, well,
this is Trump's uh, he's known him since he was eighteen,
he helped him, blah blah.

Speaker 5 (14:57):
So is Trump who is sad?

Speaker 6 (14:59):
Now?

Speaker 5 (15:00):
Is he going to turn more military on us? Is that?
That was the angle? And it was like, did you
just got hot?

Speaker 1 (15:06):
I read that? Actually right?

Speaker 4 (15:08):
That was not even cold.

Speaker 2 (15:09):
Yeah, this is going to be the trigger for jump
to Trump to justify sending a national guard to take
over America, basically, is what some people were saying.

Speaker 3 (15:18):
Yeah, basically they're using it. He's going to use it
as an excuse. I said, that's astounding it's astounding logic.
The man was literally speaking, He's using his First Amendment
right to speak. That's what he got shot for speaking.
That's all he did, that's all he ever did. And
people didn't like the words that came out of his
mouth and they shot him.

Speaker 1 (15:39):
I think I think he hit it the.

Speaker 4 (15:40):
MLK, Like anybody you disagree with, they just shoot you.
And that's.

Speaker 3 (15:45):
Outrageously unacceptable, Like why those words even have to come out,
Like you just disagree, you just go violent. You can
disagree with people, it's okay, that's the way we live.
You can't just be violent.

Speaker 1 (15:58):
You hit the nail on the head.

Speaker 2 (15:59):
I think it's what Charlie represented that that is the
I mean, outside of the lost of human life obviously,
but you know what he represented was was also the
other tragedy. It's it's the blatant silencing of an opposing
opinion of viewpoint. It's really just like you said, it's
an attack on free speech in general.

Speaker 4 (16:17):
It's a point.

Speaker 2 (16:19):
Yeah, absolutely, And I don't know, like I said, Look,
I'm gonna be honest, I wasn't an avid Charlie kirk fan.
I didn't listen to every little podcast and everything. It did,
but I respected him, and you know, whatever I did
watch you can't say that he was an intelligent person.
And he would always give people the benefit of the doubt.
He would give them the time to, hey, you know what,
convince me, Yeah, let me hear your viewpoint. He was

(16:41):
always willing to hear people out. Maybe he corrected people
and they didn't want to accept that, maybe there's a
fallacy in their argument or their way of thinking. But
you know, he never came at it from from from
a point of view of hatred or or trying to
deliberately make people look stupid. It was It's like, I'm
giving you the opportunity and that's all he did. All
he did was challenge narratives and open up conversation. I

(17:02):
don't know, just what do you think of What do
you think of what Charlie represented? And why what this
means for guys like us and Dallas, you know, who
are podcasters. We're in the media and we're trying to
do this thing and express ourselves and you know, just
just get the word out. How do you think this
is going to change a landscape for people like us?
I mean, I think it's going to make it. I mean,

(17:25):
I think it's a double edged sword. It's going to
make it more difficult because there's going to be a
lot less people that want to do it, but I
think it's gonna embolden more people that are doing it
to keep doing it. Yeah, I mean, I'm not going anywhere.

Speaker 1 (17:45):
Ever. I think it's going to, you know, be the
double edge where people are going to be people that
want to are going to be afraid to do it.
So you know that's going to hurt all of it obviously,
But I still think there's going to be no more
people that are going to be, you know, middle fingers
in the air going at it. I don't think, Yeah,
I think it's going to be one of yeah, those things,
but it's I don't know. I'm still trying to wrap

(18:07):
my head around the fact that I only did was
show up and talk right. Well, he'd never be I
don't want me. I never listened to his shows.

Speaker 2 (18:16):
You know.

Speaker 1 (18:16):
I just saw clips while I was bored at like
one o'clock in the morning, and I was saying, I
still got to post this reel and I didn't schedule it.
She's like coming to bed. I'm like in an hour.
You know this stuff would come across, and you know,
even with people yelling at him, and he just sat
there like okay, cool, and he stayed mellow and calm,
and yeah, he just talked. And the fact that that's

(18:37):
literally you know why we're here talking right now is
because you know, words have hurt your feelings, you know,
so much that we're now here again. I hate to
say the word again, but I mean it seems, yeah,
a common read in the last you know, de or

(19:00):
so where it's just you hurt their feelings with words.
Shots will be fired, cities will burn to the ground.
And the only thing that all of them have because
they've been so riled up to everything, and like you said,
you know you heard enough times it's just suddenly the
truth to them that you know, we're here and they
don't know how to respond with words. And when you

(19:23):
they don't have an argument. Most of the time, they
just have their babbling bullshit. That's what it is most
of the time. I mean, there's I mean the second
you immediately freak out. I mean, dear god, I was
even being like you when you were talking about how
you know, you go on threads sometimes like I was
having one of those the other day on Facebook, just
over nothing. Because the guy commented he was talking, I

(19:44):
don't even know what the hell we're talking about venezuela thing.
I was like, Okay, well, like I get it, but
read this mad one. Obama dropped like almost eleven thousand
bombs and drones just without drawn strikes, without need approval
and killed like thousands of innocent people in Afghanistan. That's
just Afghanistan. It doesn't count anywhere else. In their immediate

(20:06):
response was I'm protecting a pedophile. Like that's a cool argument.
You have a wonderful day, because that's what it immediately
turns into. It is just something like or not even
that when you just bring up like anything mass shooting,
school shooting, suicides, like you bring up the numbers and
it's just immediate, vile regurgitation of just pure bullshit for

(20:28):
lack of a better word. I mean, like, I know
some of the most miserable people in the world that
I served with. They're all horrifically disgusted at the fact
that you can't even talk about being worried right now,
and they're they'd make my like they make my misery
look pretty fairly mundane. But like everyone I know is
like except for like you know people on social media,

(20:49):
like I just sent you a thing. Well, we were
doing this because I saw someone post something and they
were like wishing you know, the bullet that struck Charlie
Kirk to have a pleasant day. Just kept going and
it was literally I'm like, are you I'm checking that? Yeah,
Like it's just like it's just right there, Like how

(21:12):
can you get that turn? Like it's just words, Like
no one's disagree, no one's being angry, no one's like
most of us are coming at you very calmly, like
you don't have to be such just diabolically just hateful. Yeah,
there's things I hate. I'm not going to go out
and make sure it doesn't exist anymore, you know, especially

(21:35):
for words.

Speaker 2 (21:37):
Words different, right, that's more like I disapprove of or
I'm not into this or whatever it is.

Speaker 1 (21:44):
I just don't like all the hate and.

Speaker 4 (21:46):
Bullshit because you can't have a discussion. That's nobody.

Speaker 1 (21:50):
We can't use words without you go going on the
like exploding. Yeah, there's no conversation, there's no reasoning, there's
no anything.

Speaker 3 (22:00):
You're just nuts, well orange man bad. So it doesn't
matter what you say.

Speaker 1 (22:06):
Zilla Hitler is the worst thing ever.

Speaker 4 (22:08):
And they wonder why this I forget that.

Speaker 1 (22:12):
Hey, we all are And I have the definition saved
on my phone just because I was bored, and it's amazing.
Fascist is narrative and who controls the media and buzzwords?

Speaker 4 (22:25):
It's me popping who's.

Speaker 1 (22:27):
Popping shots at people?

Speaker 2 (22:28):
And I want to touch on the day And because
you were talking about the facts and data how it
hurts people's feelings, which is true because you know, Jesse,
you and I have done that many times. Manuel, You're
really good at pulling all that stuff up. And we'll
do these we'll do these deep dives and we'll get
these arguments like I when Jesse was alluding to it earlier,
by the way Duchess is. I'll get into these debates

(22:51):
on social media. Sometimes I don't do it often, but
Threads is the worst.

Speaker 1 (22:55):
I don't know what it is.

Speaker 5 (22:56):
Threads.

Speaker 2 (22:56):
You say one thing and you sometimes I'm bored. I
was like, oh, engage here, I'll be a huckle berry.
Let's go and I'll just keep going and going and
going until they finally give up or I get tired.

Speaker 1 (23:06):
I'm like, I'm out of here. This is boring.

Speaker 2 (23:08):
But even when you hit him with facts data, man
and I just went to this on the last show.
We just did ourselves. It's like we had a response
from somebody and we literally like copy pasted what we
looked up like here it is just to prove it.
And the guy is still like, you guys are liars.
It's like they're so bought in the I don't know
if I want to say left. Well, that's what it is.
This whole thing's been politicized, like people who think opposite

(23:29):
of people like us, basically the left. They're so bought
into the to the group think of the narrative is
like they just will not accept being corrected or even
open minded to the fact that maybe their way of
thinking is wrong. I mean, if I'm corrected, I'll I'm
fine with it. Hey, I know something I didn't sure
I was the wrong thing. But what you said, Jesse's correct.

Speaker 1 (23:49):
You know.

Speaker 2 (23:49):
It's it's crazy that we live. We live in a
it seems like a hard left right. There's no center anymore.
It doesn't seem like seems like.

Speaker 1 (23:58):
That's going away.

Speaker 2 (23:59):
There's no there's no way to be neutral anymore. It's
like you have to absolutely pick a side. The other
thing I was gonna touch on, Jesse, is I hope
when you were just talking about like us podcasters, people
like us right here on this show currently, right these people. Uh,
you think that it will drive people to want to

(24:20):
do it more like, Okay, I can say that might
be a good thing, but you know, be a rebel
for the sake of being.

Speaker 1 (24:26):
A rebel, right rebel, yell whatever.

Speaker 2 (24:29):
But the concern I have is could this also drive
certain people to go too far to the right and
become that extremist that the left keeps warning your vidy about.
And then they could with their finger and go, see,
I told you, I told you these guys are dangerous, right.

Speaker 1 (24:46):
It's all a part of the plan. It's all a
big plan and a big book, probably some binders with
some page protectors. Yeah, sitting next to a extremely plausible man.

Speaker 3 (25:01):
I don't know, it's so ridiculous, but it's well, a
twelve pack of highlighters.

Speaker 1 (25:05):
Yeah, well, I can't forget them.

Speaker 2 (25:07):
If we pay attention whiteboards and stuff too, Yeah, if
we pay attention to've been warning us. I mean, how
many movies have we seen in the nineties and two thousands.
Like we look at it and we're like, oh, that's
a crazy story, and then all of a sudden, we
have you see it happen in real life. I think
that's it's not just coincidence. Huh, it's not just coincidence. No,

(25:28):
I think it's inspiring people, is what that is? I
can duplicate that maybe. I'm pretty sure I can do
that bank robbery just like that, but a little bit better.
So can we also say that's just an example of
psychological conditioning? You know, the power of suggestions got more
pull than we thought, right, Well, the more the more
that you uh, subversively suggest something and you get people

(25:50):
to buy into it and not even think about it,
but they can act on it because it's already in
their subconscious correct. So could that just be an example
of that what we're talking about earlier and how we
even got here It is through all this subversive messaging.
Our suggestions are very strong.

Speaker 3 (26:05):
There's lots of ways to get that though. I mean,
it's you see it through you figure through you know, entertainment,
so movies, television, whatever, books maybe, But then what I
think it is, and boy, I hate to say this
because I love it I think social media, it's so
easy to find people who think that way, and I
think that you know, you keep adding more and more

(26:26):
to it, and it just develops, and as tech has
gotten better, there's so many, so many more ways to
connect with people that agree with you, and that kind
of fuel that fire. And then now you have like
bands and groups of insane people. I mean, they're insane
to think like that and celebrate death of humans. You know,
that's crazy, and I think that feeds a lot of it,

(26:49):
and it's they're all grabbing bits from everything and it
just fuels It's again that rock that rolls downhill. It's
just it's fueling it, and it's just getting bigger and bigger.
And it's nowadays it's hard to escape. I'll say, news
whatever they report, but which isn't ever accurate, you know,
so you have to really search and find things. But
once you find your group, they stay there, you know,

(27:11):
which is why you have like all these all the protesters.
It's like the same people. They just bust them to
different places. They're all in their groups. So strengthen numbers,
and I think that's part of it.

Speaker 2 (27:23):
I agree, Yeah, it just gets reinforced number by number. Right,
the bigger the group, the easier it is to enforce.

Speaker 4 (27:30):
An echo chamber. It's just all they allfirm each other.

Speaker 1 (27:33):
That as well.

Speaker 2 (27:34):
Yeah, absolutely, you know, And that's that's social media these days.
I I've got an ex account office. We all do,
except for my brother who decided he's not doing anymore.
But what's what's crazy is the misinformation. And it's it's
a real thing, you know, because I subscribe to a

(27:54):
bunch of I guess it would consider like, oh, since
sites that will send me information ahead of time, like
I'll get news on what's on around the world on
different things before most people do. Well'm not the only
the guy that does. There's other people that do. But anyway,
I get these things and I can already see what's happening,
and then I'll see this post taken out of context
already right away to drive a certain message that they

(28:14):
want everybody to you know, agree on or say, oh,
you know, it could be anything from like oh yeah,
that wasn't Russian drones in that that were in Poland
over at Polish are space. It was it was actually
Ukrainian drunk. It's like, really, because I have the reports
and I have, you know, Polish Prime Minister and the
government confirming, and you know it's just crazy how it is.

(28:38):
You know, everything from from misinformation and geopolitics to racism,
which is which is nuts. The problem is is you know,
I'm gonna quote Dan Bongino here, we live in a
world of likes and clicks, like you know, it's all likes,
clicks and uh snapshots, right that that's what it is.
And and it's happened to us too, Like I don't
know if it's happened to you, Kate, I know it's

(28:58):
happened to Jesse, has happened to to Like you know,
we'll get clips out of our episodes and then people
just see that little thirty second snippet and just assume
that's everything that we're talking about. It's like, no, we
literally linked the entire episode, like you could see the
entire conversation, but you're taking this one little thirty second
clip as the gold standard or the end all be

(29:19):
all of what we're actually trying to say. No, we're
just trying to get you attention so that you could
then turn to the entire conversation and then you could
form your opinions based on the conclusions after you've actually
heard what we're talking about. So I think social media
has turned into something kind of dangerous, not gonna lie.
I mean, it seems like more people are only using
it now because it's a way to promote and get

(29:41):
the word out, especially for companies and marketing and things
like you know what we do with podcasting, And it's
just a it's a good, cheap, easy way to get
the word out, that is all it is. But it's
also a very dangerous narrative. So do you think that
what happened today is going to lead to possibly the
enforcement of limiting free speech and also enforcing laws that

(30:06):
might just like the UK, Oh wait a minute, that
post was hate speech.

Speaker 1 (30:10):
You can't say that.

Speaker 2 (30:11):
Now we're gonna have to live Yep, We're gonna live
in a nation of you know, living in between these
guidelines and like everything we say is gonna be one
of the within these blinders, and if it's outside of that,
we go to jail.

Speaker 1 (30:22):
Manuel go aheadway and you're already saying, yes.

Speaker 5 (30:25):
Yes, it will come on.

Speaker 6 (30:29):
You give the Democrats a lane, they're gonna take it.
They're going to pull the two thirty when they get
congressional control, and then they're going to start the laws,
they're going to start cracking. It's gonna happen. You know,
it's gonna happen. But I do want to turn the
car a little bit on something. I just want to

(30:49):
ask a question here, because the bulk of what Charlie
Kirk has been on recently has been transgenderism, as most
of the podcas cast the righties are.

Speaker 5 (31:02):
And do you think that.

Speaker 6 (31:05):
Because they want because transgenders, it appears that they just
they really want to matter and they want to exist.
Do you think that they're just taking they're taking this
way too far? Like there should be Ah, they got
to figure out a better way because they keep inciting
violence or as like the church.

Speaker 5 (31:26):
Shooting, shooting people.

Speaker 6 (31:28):
Now, could this possibly be someone from that community, a father,
or even someone who is a transgender that is pulling
the trigger on this stuff? Like I'm just curious, like
is it are are these guys even trying? I don't know,
maybe I'm not worrying it right, but it just it's

(31:49):
just are.

Speaker 2 (31:49):
You asking if this particular assassination attempt had.

Speaker 6 (31:54):
To in a general sense, like these guys are are
going straight to violence Okay, Like, now, why are they
not going the other way? Is this like a mental thing?
Maybe that's a better way it's in it? Is it mental?
Are they on too many drugs?

Speaker 1 (32:09):
I that one? But all that? All that? What are
the other two way in?

Speaker 2 (32:14):
First? You know, And I'm not trying to be funny.
I know this is a serious.

Speaker 6 (32:19):
Episode, but welcome to my version of the show where
I just have an incoherent question. It's gotten avenue, but
I haven't landed the planet.

Speaker 1 (32:26):
That's what we need.

Speaker 2 (32:27):
It gets It's fine. Look, now you're going to have
us talking about another topic, but also very related. Yeah,
very very subtle there, man, don't thank you. Did you
have anything on this topic? Touches at all?

Speaker 1 (32:41):
I know you.

Speaker 4 (32:42):
It's it's a difficult topic.

Speaker 3 (32:44):
I think it's the weird thing about it is it's
such weird, but it's it's such a tiny percentage of
our population that has caused utmost chaos, and I think
that a lot of them have gone to violent extreme measures.

(33:07):
I mean the path what you see with some of
the shootings coming up. The behavior is violent. If they're
young and they're getting all these drugs, that's not you
can't put that into children, you just can't. And I
know if someone truly believes they're in the wrong body,
I think, yeah, you have to get through your normal
growth cycles through as a child, and I think at

(33:30):
eighteen you get counseling. If that's the path you want
to go, then go. You can't flip that switch back.
And I think if there are people who were encouraged
very early to transition or get drugs because now it's
the easiest thing because now you can get all medical
coverage for it, so, you know, which I think is
kind of creepy that the medical field is encouraging it

(33:51):
because now they get paid. You know, back in the
old days, you had to do a lot of therapy
before you get that stuff, and now they're just flinging
it at kids because their moms say, yeah, he wants
to be a girl, you know. So so I guess
to wrap this all up, yeah, I think I think
there's some a lot of violence in that unfortunately, into
in that the I guess, the the TQ part of it,

(34:15):
you know, And and it's it's sad if someone truly
believes that, I'm all for it.

Speaker 4 (34:20):
I don't care like you do.

Speaker 3 (34:22):
You I'm happy if you're happy, but you have to
I think you have to be an adult. And I
think influencing people with a lot of drugs and their
brains are just not ready. I mean, lord, I grew
up with I'd raised two girls, so I mean hormones
are crazy at that age and throwing all kinds of
crazy stuff of meds and mixed up feelings.

Speaker 4 (34:43):
Not good, not good.

Speaker 5 (34:45):
Yeah, that's true, Jesse, what I would have done, Thank you.

Speaker 1 (34:50):
I'm following him. You had to open a house full
of all the women. What hormones are nuts? I had
to be the med of those siblings. Oh wait, wait
till your brain? Can you know? Your brain's too young
until what you're in, like your mid twenties, allegedly to
be able to you know fully, Yeah, grown in your

(35:12):
prefrontal cortex and all those things that I keep smashing
off of things, and I think it's caused much more
chaos than it's done any good in anything. Yeah, because
those drugs. Sorry, but there shouldn't be in people, let
alone people that are you know the size of my microphone?

Speaker 4 (35:31):
Little people?

Speaker 2 (35:32):
Yeah, leave them alone. You know what's crazy is to
me is we're all in agreeance and we're all kind
of going to sit like, I agree with both of you, man,
I know you think pretty similar, but we all agree like,
I don't think anybody cares if you truly, truly, truly

(35:55):
feel and believe that you are in the wrong body.
The problem is, as we all know, at least I
think so is, and I'm sure you guys all do too,
is introducing these ideas to young children who are not
yet developed and able to even understand the decisions they're making.

(36:15):
The child does not just wake up and go, I'm
a girl or a boy. You know, they have to
go through a maturation process. They have to go through
their hormonal changes, and after that they kind of settle
into what they are. So, you know, when you're about
seventeen eighteen, I can see where people are like, okay,
I know, o'kay or whatever, or you're already having these
inclinations of I feel I'm in the wrong body. And

(36:38):
then when you get in your twenties and you're old enough,
do what you got to do. But there's no way
anyone could convince me, ever ever in education, that we
need to be teaching these things to kinder gardeners or
third night ers. Or second graders, there's no reason to
even introduce that thought. And that's what it is. Introduction
of the introduction of these thoughts is with making these
children believe only because they want to please the adults.

(37:03):
They want to say, oh, I'm doing the right thing.
That is exactly what the problem is. And so Manuel,
when you're saying, you know, is this an issue because
Charlie Kirk was focusing on the trans issue for so long,
Yeah it is. I think this is a big part
of it. But you know this, this has been something
all conservatives have had an issue with. But a true
conservative doesn't really care. If that's who you truly feel

(37:26):
you are, we just don't believe it should be done
when you're a child. You know, a child again, a
child just because a child plays with a boy, for example,
plays with a doll when they're four or five, they
don't get They're not really even comprehended. They're like, oh,
this is my friend, this is whatever, you know, Let
let them go through their thing. They're not even there yet.

(37:46):
To them, it's a toy. They're not they're not thinking
of it at the level an adult is thinking of
that situation. Charlie Kirk probably did trigger that also given
you know, like you said earlier man on the trans shooter,
you know Minipolis, what happened there, and that was another
incident that got politicized for no reason.

Speaker 1 (38:04):
You know, Rosi o.

Speaker 2 (38:04):
Donald comes out and right away says, oh, this was
a mag of right wing light person. How the fuck
do you even get that out of all the reports.

Speaker 1 (38:13):
So if you look at the journals, rose o'donald's useless.

Speaker 2 (38:16):
She is you look through the shooters journals, everything is
outlined on how they felt they were. They were a
person that didn't feel themselves their place in the world.
They took out their angst and anger on the world
on children. And the reason I believe they did that,
I'm not a psychologists, but is because they that person
Robert Robin Westman, which was Robert, felt that they were

(38:37):
saving the children.

Speaker 1 (38:37):
From making the decisions that he.

Speaker 2 (38:39):
Had to make or she or whatever you want to
call them. And I think that's what happened there. You know,
they had the drawing of where he saw the reflection
of himself as a demon. So yeah, you know, and
going back to you said earlier man or your question was, yeah,
there is a mental instability I think in some of
these people, and I'm not saying it's widespread for everybody,
but as what Kate said earlier, Dutch is like these

(39:00):
these medications, you know, and I did a little bit
of research on this recently, and I know Jesse even
looking at this as well. You know, we're looking at
the ramping up of SSRIs being used, psychotropics and whatnot.
All of this, all of this happened during the two
thousands twenty to twenty twenty four, and within that time
period you could see the increase in doubling of school
shootings and whatnot. Now, as far as transhooters go, since

(39:22):
we could talk about that, there really hasn't been that
large of a number captured data yet to say one
way or the other that yes, there is a large
number of transhooters. But if really in our recent times,
you do start to see the correlation an increase between
trans people or people who don't want to identify as
a gender and shooters as of now, but still that

(39:43):
number does not outweigh the five hundred and seventy something
school shootings between twenty and twenty twenty four, but you
are starting to see an increase so I don't know, Manuel, Honestly,
this could have been a person who was trans, had
a child, I was trans, somebody. Maybe this was a
personal trigger by what Charlie was doing, and then it
just got exasperated by what happened with the shooting in Minneapolis,

(40:04):
and here we are. It's very plausible.

Speaker 1 (40:09):
I know that was a long wave to answer.

Speaker 2 (40:10):
Your question, but hey, I wanted to get everybody's input first,
you know, and make sure that you know, everybody had
a chance to speak on that.

Speaker 1 (40:17):
It was a good question, it really was.

Speaker 5 (40:19):
Well because it's been the last.

Speaker 6 (40:22):
Safe to say, last six, five or six of these
there's been a transgender link. Yes, so I'm wondering. That's
why I was like, I'm wondering, like, is this like
a drug drug? Too many drugs?

Speaker 1 (40:35):
Is this?

Speaker 6 (40:36):
These guys just want to matter and they're choosing the
dumbest way possible to, like you, try to get noticed.

Speaker 1 (40:43):
You know.

Speaker 6 (40:44):
It's like, it's just very puzzling to me that these
guys are this aggressive. So it's got to be there's
got to be some reason for it. That's kind of
I guess that's what I was getting at.

Speaker 2 (40:54):
Yeah, I mean, we'd have to dive into the psychology
of these individuals. But I mean, you know, lack of
place self of lack of acceptance, you know, confusion and
their decision and who they are. I mean that has
a lot to do with it.

Speaker 4 (41:06):
And when you're at similar profiles.

Speaker 2 (41:07):
Yeah, and if you're not getting the help right, the
mental health and whatnot, you're going to eventually explode and
take it out. It's like bottling in everything for let's
say twenty years, and that you have just had that
one person a moment that triggers whatever it is in you,
and all of a sudden, you just become this violent
gorilla out of nowhere. They start ripping everyone apart. And
I think that's a lot of what we're seeing right
now and why maybe we're seeing the increase and correlation

(41:31):
between a transperson and these murders. But I don't want
to make this conversation necessarily just targeting trans because that's
not my intention at all. But we can't ignore the
data either, So.

Speaker 4 (41:43):
I have another take on it.

Speaker 3 (41:45):
I feel like, again, growing up in the eighties, you know,
you dealt with it was bullying and that sort of thing.
Nobody at least that I knew of or at least
at that time, there wasn't really school shootings. Maybe never
heard about it. I don't recall it, but I feel like,
as as a GenEx generation, but say the further generations

(42:08):
after that, Millennials and then Gen Z's, I don't feel
like they understand how to process their feelings or work
things out like we. I don't want to make it
like generational, but I felt like we just kind of
had to work through stuff just as as that's kind
of how we did it. And then I felt like
maybe the pendulum has swung with parents where it was

(42:29):
almost too encouraging or it was too you know, the
participation trophies and all that. And I hate to bash
on that, but I feel like there's like a whole
generation that just can't handle things, you know, like my girl.

Speaker 4 (42:41):
I'll use my girls as an example.

Speaker 3 (42:43):
Sorry kids, but you know, got to the point where
I was like, oh, why don't you call an order
of pizza? They're like, well, I'll do it online. I'm
like why They like, we don't want to talk to people.
I'm like, just pick up your phone, use your phone.
They don't like communicating, and it was they used the
phone for everything. But so I feel like we had
to when growing up. If you wanted something done, you
had to talk to somebody and make it happen. Interactional nothing,

(43:06):
nothing was at your fingertips that they have to and
I think things are so easy to reach or do
or whatever that they just they don't talk, they don't process,
They just stay in their rooms, they stay on their phones.

Speaker 4 (43:17):
I hate it again.

Speaker 3 (43:18):
I'm not kicking social media because I love it for
the good that it is and the fun that it is,
but it's such an evil It has such an evil
side to it, and I feel maybe that's got a
lot to do with these kids just don't know what
to do. They can't process anything, and they just snap.
And I think, I think it's done. It's a whole
other thing.

Speaker 2 (43:34):
But that the lack of actual social and physical.

Speaker 4 (43:36):
Or interaction, none of that, none of that.

Speaker 2 (43:40):
And you know, you're speaking on a generational thing. You know,
I hate to pull the generational stuff. Officuse everyone was
like oh boom or this or that, like oh the
great you know we all did even we did. But
at the same at the same time, it's like there
is a clear difference between how we would grow up.
You know, we did, how have to be forced outside,

(44:01):
We did have to interact, We did have to work
things out in a social setting, which is part of
going up, just as you would in the animal kingdom
for example, you know, a pride of lions. I got
to figure out who's the alpha, who's gonna be the huntress, and.

Speaker 1 (44:13):
All of that. That stuff gets worked out.

Speaker 2 (44:15):
And if you if you're never in that situation, you're
avoiding it and being coddled and isolated, you're not going
to know how to deal with those feelings. So that
that's very plausible actually, So yeah, good, good point on that.

Speaker 1 (44:29):
Laughs at me about it all the time. We were
just laughing about it the other day. So like you're
from the generation that just had to figure it out,
Like yeah, guess what do you know? Figured everything out
with me like seven, I'm was like I don't know
what to do, Like huh, fuck it, I'll figure it out.
And then I'd sit there all day and guess what,

(44:49):
I figured it out and dealt with all that weird
stuff and the mess that I am today. But I'm
a useful menace. Might have I might have a little
bit of patience, lack of patience for people that can't
just stop for nine seconds and figure it out. But
I mean, I'll blame I'll blame the Marine Corps. That

(45:13):
takes nine seconds, You're taking up about five extra minutes
of my life. Go And then I get mad, like
what give me three minutes?

Speaker 5 (45:20):
What?

Speaker 1 (45:21):
I don't know, I'll figure it out. And then I do,
like why don't you show me? It's like, well, because
I have to be there and I have to do it,
and well you won't retain it anyway, you just yell
at me again. So when I just it was we
just had to figure, you know out. There wasn't a
million things to tell us how to do everything, so
we could just isolate and stare at our phone and
figure it out. We just had to go and do it.

Speaker 4 (45:43):
No Google, oh my no Google, no nothing.

Speaker 2 (45:47):
There's there's the other side to this though, guys, Okay,
we did have to figure it out, right. We can't
argue that there's the medication side of it, which is
been documented. If we can also say that there was
a lack of socialization and isolation that leads to the
type of people that are willing to commit these violent acts.
Here's the other side of this, though, who's enforcing this

(46:10):
or reinforcing it. It's the grown adults like us, right,
not necessarily us here as you know right now talking,
but are politicians who aren't even most of them in
aren't our generations. A lot of these people are in
like their seventies and eighties.

Speaker 4 (46:25):
Man, that's the greatest generation, right, But they're.

Speaker 2 (46:28):
Willingly going out and reinforcing this type of behavior, this isolation,
this coddling, this everyone gets a trophy bullshit.

Speaker 1 (46:36):
And so who do we hold accountable? Right? The parents?

Speaker 2 (46:42):
Now, you know, if you look at if you look
at the social economical situation we're especially the economical situation,
there is no such thing as a single parent that
earns everything that could pay for everything right now, it's
just thinking, man, and you get you know, Dutch, you
away on that manual. I know you can, but it's
just not that possible anymore, not really. And so everybody's busy,
everyone's working. Some parents don't even take the time to

(47:05):
deal with the child. They want to drop them off
at whatever care facility, shove them into sports if they
even do that anymore, keep them busy with whatever activities.
And then the actual parental interaction is extremely limited, so
I think parents, but they are also juggling having to
pay bills and keep a roof over kids heads. And

(47:25):
then you also get the reinforcement of our politicians and
everybody else, you know, putting these laws in a place
that are counterproductive to being a parent. So it's like, yeah, okay, correct,
I agree with I agree with all of you. By
the way, it's like, there's the isolation, there's a medication,
But then are we not to blame as well for
reinforcing these behaviors and these methods of raising and controlling

(47:49):
the children.

Speaker 3 (47:50):
To be a certain to be active, you have to
be an active parent. You can't and that's your job.
Like that, That's what I It frustrates me when I
go out. I'll go to lunch or go to dinner
and I see a table with mom, dad, kids, whatever,
and everybody's on their phones. Like and look, I'm on
my phone all the time.

Speaker 4 (48:09):
I love it. But my girls are grown out the door.
You know, I can do that.

Speaker 3 (48:12):
If I want to sit and ignore my husband and
he wants to ignore me for a little bit, that's fine.

Speaker 4 (48:16):
We're adults. We can deal with that.

Speaker 3 (48:18):
But you know, and again maybe it's just that moment,
but just that nobody's talking, you know, and and the
kids are watching the parents. The parents are on their phone,
like there's nobody's interacting. So the parents could be the
ones who've grown up with minimal interaction and now they're
not interacting. So now that's becoming the norm. That's the
society that's coming up, or people who don't know how

(48:41):
or choose not to interact. There's I see little kids
in the store with a tablet, moms shopping, kids on
the tablet, Like, are you kidding? You can't go to
the And again I'm not I don't want to judge
because I've certainly been there's times where I'm like, oh
my god, please just stop talking here, here's something you know,
And I get it, but I think maybe it's helpful
to talk to your child, even just opy things for littles.

Speaker 2 (49:02):
Well, what she said about being constantly on the phone,
and you know, their their tablets whatever, Like all they're
doing is consuming social media, watching TikTok and what's being
instagram whatever, all that crowd. Their brains are being programmed,
and maybe maybe that is a huge contributor to where
to why we're at where we are now. And it
just took the event of today for Charlie Kirk to

(49:25):
die for people to actually start talking about this, because
all of a sudden, everybody is talking about this suddenly,
like Manuel you said earlier, everyone suddenly cares. Now we
want to discuss it.

Speaker 5 (49:35):
How long will they care? Though?

Speaker 3 (49:37):
Exactly ten minutes till tomorrow where it's not but it's
true that the problem.

Speaker 5 (49:44):
Yeah, big o spread and then we'll bury it.

Speaker 3 (49:49):
Yeah, and nobody's talking about the school shooting today. There's
a school shooting today in Colorado.

Speaker 2 (49:55):
There was also an active shooter in if I got this,
I forgot there was a university active shooter also walking
Manue Kyle actually told me about. I forgot what university
it was, but there was another instant going on. Nothing happened,
but there was another active shooter that was spotted or
at least someone walking around there today.

Speaker 1 (50:14):
Yeah, you saw that.

Speaker 4 (50:15):
Crazy.

Speaker 1 (50:16):
I was all over the place today, but I suddenly
I got done doing a delivery and I told my
phone to get out of drive mode. And I looked
at it's like, you have seventy three notifications. I'm like, what, God, damn,
I hope I didn't but okay, no, my sister was
in there? What marines were in there? I'm like, okay,
but oh no, that's the oh no. Normally only people

(50:40):
that bothered me are telemarketers telling me that I can
get a good debt consolidation loan. Suddenly it's like you
got seventy three notifications. I'm like, oh no, And of
course it was just people sending me the video like
I needed to see that one hundred and forty seven times, right,
But yeah, I completely missed, like that was in my

(51:00):
own little world until I wasn't because my phone and
social media are just a tool to share things and
irritate every single person that I know, because they're like,
why do you keep sharing it all the time, Like, well,
why don't you share it?

Speaker 2 (51:12):
What?

Speaker 1 (51:13):
Booh? It gets upron of your people. You leave me alone,
I leave you alone, you know. But people don't see
it as like that kind of tool. People like and
I walk around the store all day. There's kids on
phones tablets. The kids that don't have ones are freaking
out and they see me just standing by them with
my cart, going.

Speaker 5 (51:32):
Like don't and.

Speaker 1 (51:33):
There's two little devils. I want to each children go
and just do it like I don't need to yell
at them. And Hannah, in her defense, tells me it's
like our generation like of parents that are just you know,
pushing that off. And she tells me, it's like, you know,
we had to figure everything out, so now you know,
we're just here you go because we yeah, we're doing

(51:56):
our own thing and doing all that, and there wasn't
a lot of you know, maybe it was just me.
I don't know, but she has a correlation and tells
me that's your generations parents, like, no, it's not like,
yeah it is, yeah it is, but it's not don't
blame my people even moment they might be kind of
our fault.

Speaker 2 (52:15):
So then here here's here's here's a question, probably the question,
I know, how do we move forward because apparently nobody
trusts legacy media. We were just discussing how people bury
their heads into their phones, their tablets, children right consuming
all of this, and we've already discussed that there is
a lot of misinformation out there and narrative is being

(52:39):
pushed to honestly program the people. I mean, this is
this is this is taken out of the Communist playbook.
By the way, It's it's something that Russia has used.
It's many communist nations have used to program people. I'm
not saying that's intentially what our government is doing, but
is there hope to do any of you think that
us as Americans and people are smart enough, hopefully still

(53:01):
intelligent enough to step back, look at all this and
realize they're being lied to that. No, I don't really
hate my neighbor who's black or brown or whatever color.
I don't hate trans people are gay people, you know. No,
I don't hate an opposing opinion because you know, you
believe in pro choice and someone else doesn't. Do you

(53:22):
think that Americans are smart enough to step back and
realize that, you know, we're all actually Americans. It takes
all of us and that spider differences. We can still
move forward. I mean because look, even in relationships and
even in marriages, even husbands and wives have differences. We're
not all locked step. We all have our own opinions
and views, but we learned to live together and get along.
So what do you all think is America ready for that?

Speaker 1 (53:44):
They have?

Speaker 5 (53:44):
They?

Speaker 1 (53:44):
Is this?

Speaker 2 (53:45):
Is this the event that forces people to step back
and actually call the bullshit?

Speaker 1 (53:52):
I mean, I don't know if it's the event. Man,
you're so hey. No one has to be a no.
It's not trying to have hope. But seriously, go ahead,
I think, yeah, go ahead. Whichever one wants no, go ahead.
He's cooler than me, so he goes.

Speaker 6 (54:12):
Damn all right, man, If if that's true, then I'll
be cool all the time. You have the I can't
my My answer to that is no, because we just thought.
We just we just mentioned how tomorrow is going to
go away because of nine to eleven. They're gonna have
the memorials and everything and we're going to forget about it.

(54:35):
And every politician got their points in today.

Speaker 5 (54:39):
You know, I mean it.

Speaker 6 (54:40):
It's gonna get buried, just like the Ukrainian girl that's
gonna get buried in a few more days. And we're
going to just go right back to making mistakes. That's
just where That's just where it is. And you know, I,
I personally think technology has killed society. We think it's
a good, but it turns.

Speaker 5 (54:58):
Out it's not.

Speaker 6 (54:59):
Because because I don't know how generations work. I don't
know what I am, but I think it's my son
would be the generation behind me. He's what is he
twenty twenty four would be whatever that, but he's a
zay anyway.

Speaker 1 (55:16):
I have one.

Speaker 6 (55:17):
That's why okay, so z okay, okay. So our generation
experience the parenting that we were talking about, where figure
it out. You're going to get a paddle upside the
head grounded. You're gonna get some you know, actual punishments.
This generation coming up behind us is like, I don't
like that. I hated it, so I'm not going to

(55:39):
give it to my kids. So now now you're gonna
be lesser than in lighter and whatever on that. And
then you've got a bunch of doctors with ideas every
parenting book that keeps coming out, it's like, you can't
if you hit them, or if you discipline them in
a hard way, you're you're steering them towards hatred of you,

(56:03):
or you're not you know, you're not teaching them anything
because they'll go right back to it. You have to
you have to talk to them, you have to negotiate,
You have to you know, get down on their level
if they're short, or you have to like basically what
was that wor coddle you know, hold them through, you know,
and then technology shows up and it's like the kids screaming.

(56:25):
It's easier to give them an iPhone than it is
to do your job as a parent. And then I
also think there are people that have made mistakes to
become parents and they shouldn't be parents anyway. But that's
just kind of I just feel like in thirty years,
idiocracy is going to be a real thing.

Speaker 2 (56:41):
Oh, that movie will be true. I'm waiting for the
gatorade on the grass.

Speaker 5 (56:47):
It's going to happen.

Speaker 6 (56:48):
I'm telling you and everybody, if you remember Wally, we're
gonna be fat guys and girls on a flat bed
with a headset and it's going to tell us.

Speaker 5 (56:59):
You know what's going on. You know, here's your your
happiness for the day or whatever.

Speaker 2 (57:04):
All right, so let me let me challenge that a bit.

Speaker 5 (57:07):
Now, leave the bleakness it leave it.

Speaker 1 (57:11):
No, I can't. I can't.

Speaker 5 (57:12):
I want this building burning.

Speaker 2 (57:14):
And on that, well, my question still stands.

Speaker 1 (57:18):
But but what I wanted to touch on.

Speaker 2 (57:20):
Is is the the idea or or or what you're
implying is that the parents don't want to deal like
our parents did it to us, so we don't want
to do it to our children. I'm not sure I
buy that.

Speaker 5 (57:33):
You're still we've talked about this, you're the same position.

Speaker 1 (57:38):
Hear me out on this.

Speaker 2 (57:39):
I don't think it was the parents, Okay, So who
drives the narrative for parents, if we really think about this,
the school systems, the school psychologists, right, all these new
books came out and how to teach the new generation
right through through how you handle the child in the classroom,

(57:59):
and then and that messaging gets sent to or taught
to the parents through counseling and other things like that.
I think that is what changed it. It wasn't one day,
you know, like let's say, duchess, you woke up or
manual and you guys were like, I didn't like how
I was raised, so therefore I'm not gonna do it
to my child. No, the school systems told you you

(58:20):
can't do X, Y and Z. And if you guys
think back to that when you put your younger children
in school, I know for a fact you had those conversations.
I know your kids came back and even parroted that narrative.

Speaker 6 (58:34):
So and I see a case, so the person getting
getting the heavy discipline and the spankings and whatever from
the mom and the dad.

Speaker 5 (58:45):
Is that that.

Speaker 6 (58:46):
Influence into not doing it doesn't exist.

Speaker 5 (58:50):
It's a school and the doctor.

Speaker 2 (58:53):
Yeah, it's it's the school psychologists who are set in
the standard on how you should raise and teach a
child and handle a child. For example, it's good throws
out there, I'm managing managing a Navy insult at a
at a junior high child there that I'm not sure
the condition, but basically it's at the point that even
in the school system and they and the parent can't

(59:15):
do anything either. This kid has an inclination that goes
He just goes crazy. When he sees ladders or anything
like that, he will run and escape. I got guys
on the lift trying to trying to pull wire and
change out a projector. These guys are like twenty something
fet in the air. This kid escapes, runs, tries to
climb up the damn scissor lift. All right, and guess
what happened. Nobody grabbed the child. Nobody would do anything.

(59:38):
They just try to corral them and be like, oh,
please come down, please do this, please do that. It
starts in the school systems because once you drop your
child off, that's that's where they're learning these things, and
that's when they take them back to you at the house,
and without even knowing it, you're falling in line. So
that's my theory, and that's what I.

Speaker 5 (59:58):
At least partially agree with my statement, sir. I feel better.

Speaker 1 (01:00:02):
Okay, So here's.

Speaker 2 (01:00:03):
I'm not saying you're wrong, But what what I'm saying is,
I think I think that's where it started for like
our generation we're having kids. I think somebody, some some
smart ass I call it is somewhere goes, hey, I'm
gonna change this. I'm gonna flip the script and now
I'm going to push this agenda and then it just
caught fire. But to your point me, oll yeah, okay, listen,
if you're getting if you're raised to where you're getting
beat by a cane every day because you can't do

(01:00:24):
anything right by your father, for example, then yeah, you're
not gonna do that to your kid, or you shouldn't.

Speaker 1 (01:00:29):
So I guess I agree with you on that one.

Speaker 5 (01:00:31):
Finally, victory, all right, But.

Speaker 1 (01:00:34):
Again, how do we move forward?

Speaker 2 (01:00:35):
Is America gonna be smart enough to pull back and
look at all of this and and and and try
to realize that we need to come together.

Speaker 3 (01:00:42):
Aside from hem, I'd like to hope it does, but
it's one of those I don't know how. I think
people just there's just there's tragic, horrific events every day,
and I think people are numb. This was graphic enough
where it could probably grab I think everybo but he's
probably seen the video. The fact that there was an

(01:01:02):
extremely close up video of that is very disturbing. H
And at this point, I'm sure everybody who has an
Internet connection has probably seen it.

Speaker 4 (01:01:14):
I would, I would.

Speaker 3 (01:01:16):
I don't want to speak for it, but I would
assume that maybe Charlie Kirk would be like, please learn
from this, because don't let it be in vain sort
of a thing. And again I'm not I was never
a huge Charlie Kirk fan, Like I didn't some of
his things. I agreed on a lot of them I
disagreed on certainly shouldn't be murdered for your beliefs, But

(01:01:37):
I would I would hope that something good can come
out of that, that this terrible thing that maybe you know,
don't You can't be afraid to speak your mind, no
matter what.

Speaker 6 (01:01:48):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:01:49):
As podcasters, that's it's a scary thought. You know, like
somebody just doesn't like what you say, They're going to
find you. They'll dox you, they'll look for you, you know,
make your life a live in hell. But I would
hope that people can, you like, somehow band together and
use this to to.

Speaker 4 (01:02:07):
Do better. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:02:10):
It may not happen immediately. It's gonna I think it's
gonna take time. But I think the people who followed
Charlie Kirk or agree with what he says, they need
to come together and they need to put up like
I don't think I'm not I didn't agree with everything
from Turning Point, but I think it shouldn't fail. I
think they should keep it going, and hopefully they can

(01:02:30):
because I think that would show people that it just
because Charlie's out here, we're not going to let this
go down.

Speaker 2 (01:02:36):
I agree with you, and I think Daniel, what you
said earlier, by the way, when you were talking about
the attempts, like it took so many attempts for people
to actually start talking about this. You know, how people
are and how they feel and what you just said,
uh tous just about you know, as podcasters like, can
we continue to speak of my especially conservative podcasters, and

(01:02:56):
I experienced some of that. I never got docs, but
you know when I when I had Bermoui on and
we're talking about Islam, it was like you would not
imagine the amount every day of hate messages I got
from anybody just for having a discussion about a political theology.
I can call it religion whatever they want. I can
give that another day with you guys if you want.
But you know, you can't seem to have an opinion

(01:03:18):
with certain extremist groups period. And I'm going to be
so bold to say I think the Left are just
an extremist group at this point, and I'm tired of
pulling my punches and being nice and trying to stay neutral.
And what I say, you know, at this point, nobody
else is. You know, someone's got to stand up and
call bullshit out for what it is. And if we're
never ever going to stand up and say no, that

(01:03:39):
is the wrong way to think of the wrong way
to do things, they're just gonna keep doing it and
then it just becomes normalized like it is now.

Speaker 4 (01:03:45):
That's normal. That's crazy, that is what's expected.

Speaker 3 (01:03:49):
Like you like you say something, You're like, well, I
know the Left's gonna come out with something wacky.

Speaker 2 (01:03:52):
Yeah, and like whier. You know everybody that was celebrating, Oh,
I can't. There's celebrating his death because he was this
evil person that just didn't agree with everything that you thought.

Speaker 4 (01:04:07):
Celebrating the death of a monster.

Speaker 2 (01:04:12):
Made no sense, made no sense. All right, I'm gonna
start wrapping this up. If you guys have anything else
to add, I don't want to keep you all too
much longer. I know you guys are both on the
East Coast, so.

Speaker 1 (01:04:24):
Time you guys to call it. But you know, if
you always have anything.

Speaker 6 (01:04:31):
Else, Jesse, you haven't. You haven't given us your positive
spin though.

Speaker 1 (01:04:37):
That I think to try to be the optimist in
all of this cluster fuck of pessimism that hopefully it
does because we've seen enough, you know, some turning with
you on a lot of things, and the some places
in that place that I used to call home of

(01:04:58):
New Jersey. No offense, Yeah it's not you, it's my
father's family. I understand they're those people, but I'm sorry,
you know, I just think that you know, we've seen changes,
and you have some districts that have been like blue
for you know, forever, and I'm going to take that

(01:05:21):
as hopefully the small little piece of positivity to go
you know, forward with everything that things did seem to be,
you know, turning in a what in the flying fuck
is going on? Direction? And I think, hopefully, as an optimist,

(01:05:42):
which I'm not, I hope for the best. I expect
it's going to be a complete shit show today prove that.
But I I mean, I at least hope that some
of those things that we saw lately, at least in
elections and places that should not be read at all,
that maybe you know this will you know, galvanize that
because I think a lot of people at least you know,

(01:06:04):
in the the middle that we don't have you know,
we really don't have it. But you know, like we
saw you know, some numbers and like independence and that
be like no, and they've you know, switched to the
other side and you didn't go for you know, look
at her numbers and you know, ship a couple of
months ago she got mould everywhere. A lot of people,

(01:06:26):
I hope, at least, you know, because they saw everything
that was happening, you know, switched over. And I hope
that you know this at least, you know, helps to
galvanize people keep going and you know that direction and stuff, yeah,
going after just headed towards disaster. Because again, the same
people that tell us that we shouldn't be able to

(01:06:47):
buy cigarettes till we're twenty one er saying you should
be able to transition when you're four, and you know,
that's absolutely better. And I think they've pushed enough stupid
ship that at least enough stuff starts to headed and
in a positive direction. With that Now, granted, is it
going to happen overnight. No, I'm fond believer this is

(01:07:08):
going to take a while to you know, get rid
of all of this just utter chaos and stupidity. But
you know, the optimist to me hopes that you know,
we're going to keep going in the right direction, that
this is going to know at least be a you know,
positive thing. And people now don't you know that they're

(01:07:29):
not afraid to speak out and you know, be like
that's some bullshit, you know, and that people you know,
keep doing the thing and the other things start turning around.
But it's so fucked up now it's going to take
you a while to spin it around. I mean, it
takes a long time to write the ship of the
people that are celebrating this right now, Like, I don't
think you can fix that, but you know you can

(01:07:53):
fix everyone else if you're celebrating that. I mean, sorry,
there's no help for you. I've been here enough crazy
like better crazy people in the middle of enough PTSD breakdowns,
and people are absolutely just having nuclear sized like attacks
on themselves in their brain, you know. But if you

(01:08:14):
can spin them around, I think you could spin around.
You know, you can help the people that aren't just Daddy,
But the people that celebrate this, they're they're gone. There's
no saving that. Sorry, there's my there's my pessimism. Those
people are fist fucked. There's no saving that. They're fou
bar than I am. With the study metal records like

(01:08:35):
six inches thick, what those people are. If you see
K E. D A G A I N today, they
prove that they are fucked again with that Marine Corps cadence.

Speaker 4 (01:08:48):
Well, midterms are coming, so I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:08:50):
I think that right, I think that the greatest thing
that I keep seeing is that dumb ship that you
guys deal with every day, the slick back hair in
the tan. He's going to be the greatest thing like
the people really.

Speaker 2 (01:09:03):
Don't even get a story, didn't.

Speaker 1 (01:09:05):
Like gum, Like there's not an absolute snowflakes chance in
hell that he's going to do anything like because he's
just the people have turned against the bat Ship just
because he takes her bat Ship up to like nine thousand.

Speaker 2 (01:09:19):
You're gonna trigger manual and we're gonna have a three
hour discussion news.

Speaker 1 (01:09:23):
But but I see him over there, He's like, I.

Speaker 6 (01:09:29):
Just know I got a little Here we go, Here
we go, ABC News blurb. Here the man hunt is on.
The person they were talking to is not the guy
Jesus of course.

Speaker 1 (01:09:41):
Oh I got yeah, I got all. I got a
lot of those.

Speaker 2 (01:09:45):
The last person they said was not the not the
one they originally arrested. There they said he was just distracting,
right or obstructing justice. Then then they had another person
of interest that they did arrest, and now they're saying
that that's not the person.

Speaker 5 (01:10:01):
No, so the manhunt is on.

Speaker 4 (01:10:03):
So Cash Patel said, we have him.

Speaker 5 (01:10:06):
Right, yeah, and then they talked to him and that's
not him.

Speaker 4 (01:10:10):
Why would you say, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:10:12):
I'm tired of hell, I'm tired of their nonsense. I
believe who was it, but they don't have them. And
then the AP minutes before that said that the FBI
says that they do have him. No one knows what
the hell is going on. That's the problem of this
actual thing. No one and you know don't know why

(01:10:34):
because everything sucks.

Speaker 2 (01:10:36):
This is the type of things where it makes you,
it makes you believe that these you know, conspiracis are real.
Let's just be honest, you know, stuff like this, because
like I'm not a conspiracy theorist. I'm just a theorist, right,
keep coming true? They know.

Speaker 3 (01:10:50):
That is how Charlie's setups are. Yeah, I mean they're
pretty pretty basic. For every campus, he has a few security,
they have some cops.

Speaker 1 (01:10:58):
And to everybody. I'm sure you guys all saw them
on social if you're looking everyone just talking, you know,
ship about like his security was lacking, Like well, he's
talking to people out of college campus. I mean, it's
not like on the President of the United States when
we're going he's got a gun. He's got a gun.
He's got a gun. Holy shit, he has a gun,
and the Secret Services sits there and stares at them
until you know, like he's talking to people on a

(01:11:20):
college campus, worry about someone popping his like, like, for
the love of Christ, this is America. You don't like it,
go the fuck home. Don't be a miserable I'm not
going to say any of the words because she is
here and well, she doesn't respect this. This has beautifully

(01:11:45):
sped me up because she's like, you look like you're
catatonic right now before I came on here and now
I'm going to record my stuff after this, which means
I'm gonna throw all I am alive. I don't know
if it's the cigars, the conversation, the beautiful street noodles
that I had, but I'm ready. But I just I
don't know, Like I don't like any of it. I

(01:12:06):
think it all stinks. And even if I have people
that I kind of trust, like at least in some
positions compared to where they've been in recent years, which
everyone just abs sucked because you know, they sucked under Obamas.
Why wouldn't they sucked the second time around? You know, Like,
I still I don't know. I think it's going to
be a couple of days before we get anything fucking

(01:12:28):
useful out of any of this, because so far I've
heard they've had the guy like three times, and it
turns out every single time they didn't have Dick.

Speaker 2 (01:12:39):
Let you know, it's starting all real, it really is.

Speaker 3 (01:12:42):
Already doesn't smell so bad.

Speaker 1 (01:12:45):
I got nothing, nothing pleasant that I can say right now. No,
now you got anything else?

Speaker 5 (01:12:52):
No, I gotta go back to being a parent with
a nine year old.

Speaker 2 (01:12:55):
Right, Let's let's start, let's start wrapping this, let's start
reving this up, you know. And all all I can
say right now is I think all you guys for
even you know, coming on. I know this was all
last minute. I just I just felt that we needed
people to discuss this, you know, like minded individuals, and
and this was something that you know, for me, it

(01:13:15):
was something to discussed because we're all podcasters' role in
this independent media space. And I got to say, you know, hey,
you know, obviously I don't know Charlie Dono's family, but
nobody wants to see his wife and child go through this.
And I just say, rest in peace, Charlie. And I
gotta I gotta say, I at least respect everything he
contributed as an independent media person, as well as what
he stood for in free speech, and we can't deny

(01:13:37):
that contribution whatsoever, and none of that was a reason
for him to be murdered or assassinated.

Speaker 1 (01:13:43):
Let's just call it what it is.

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