Healing With Time

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:05):
Multiple people in my family clean my father are veterans.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
Troops that have been to war and now they're.

Speaker 3 (00:11):
Back and think and be grateful for their service, sacrifice,
love for their country, just unselfishness, all that they do
for us.

Speaker 4 (00:19):
There are some people in this country who take extraordinary
steps to provide for the freedom and security.

Speaker 2 (00:25):
We forget that those people exist.

Speaker 1 (00:27):
We know them as the Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines,
and Coast Guard. They call themselves soldiers, seals, rangers, airmen, sailors,
devil dogs, and so much more. We call them fathers, brothers,
sons and husbands, mothers, daughters, sisters and wives. We call

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them friend and neighbor. These veterans answered the call. Now
we answer theirs, and they are the best our country
has to offer, and we love them. Today, we honor
them and we serve them. David Malsby is your host,

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and he welcomes you to this community of veterans. As
together we are building the road to.

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Speaking of veterans, we got a couple of veterans in
the studio with us today. Tyrone, you want to reintroduce
yourself to the world. You got to have you back,

(03:53):
by the way, Thank you, sir.

Speaker 5 (03:55):
I'm Tyrone Brown served in the US Army. I went
to Somalia ninety three. I am now a mentor at
the PTSD Foundation, and I just love what where I
came from and where I am now and serving veterans
is h I think I believe I found my purpose.

Speaker 3 (04:17):
Thank you, Larry.

Speaker 4 (04:20):
Yes, sir, I'm here from Alabama. Uh.

Speaker 3 (04:23):
We can hear it in this, We can hear it
in the voice. Yes, sir, go ahead with the cause.

Speaker 4 (04:27):
And Uh, Camp Hope has really been good to me.
I was looking for a place to go and seems
like home now I've been here a couple of months,
no complaints. Everything here is free for us to heal.
And I had a what branch did you serve in?
And I served in the US Army Vietnam?

Speaker 3 (04:48):
What years were you there?

Speaker 4 (04:50):
Nineteen sixty seven, six and eight. I fought in the offensive.
A lot of lives lost in that time of frame. Yeah,
and uh, a heavy ar terry. We killed a lot
of probably innocent people. That's one thing that I have
lived with throughout my life. As the fact of we

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were in a situation where that we could not win
the war. So we did our very best and we
came back. Some guys did not. So I think about
those that did not make it back. Sometimes they call
us the heroes, but to me, the heroes are the
guys didn't make it back.

Speaker 3 (05:32):
Sure, we'll get into a little bit of that story.
We're not the we're not the war story show, but
we'll get into a little bit of that. For many
who are going to listen to this, they're familiar at
least to some degree of the tet offensive, but probably
not much those who weren't alive during that time. And

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I was alive but young to know it and have
a clue what was going on. I remember, I remember
the Vietnam War to me as a kid was Walter
Cronkite on TV black and white and a map of Vietnam,
and they'd have some star or something on some particular
place of Vietnam that they were talking about that day,

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that it happened the day before. It's so much different
than what happened in the post nine to eleven and
then or we were watching it while it was happening Vietnam,
we were hearing about it the next day, and you're
hearing just bits and pieces. But anyway, we'll get into
a little bit of that and about what brought you
camp Hope. But big thank you to those who are

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supporters of the PTSD Foundation of America. We just came through,
of course a Memorial Day weekend. A lot of great
things happening around the organization, some things happening at Camp
Hope over the weekend that we're very grateful for. We
cannot do what we do without you. We certainly could
not serve our veterans at zero cost with out a
community that understands it takes more than a bumper sticker

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to support our troops. So for everyone who's a part
of that, a big thank you. I'd life for you
to take out your phone put in our crisis line
phone number. You may not need it, you may not
be a veteran, but you may run across somebody who
needs it, and then you're gonna wish you had it.
Eight seven seven seven one seven seventy eight seventy three.
It's a lot of sevens eight seven seven seven one

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seven seventy eight seventy three. Please put that in your phone.
You run across a veteran that's struggling, maybe you're the veteran,
Maybe you're a family member of the veteran who's struggling.
Here's what they need to know. When they call that number,
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seven seven seven one seven seventy eight seventy three. We're

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going to take a quick break and be right back
with more of Road to Hope.

Speaker 2 (07:48):
Radio, don't nails a foot.

Speaker 3 (08:18):
And we're walking back roade to Hope. Are you glad
to have you.

Speaker 5 (08:21):
Along, Tyrone?

Speaker 3 (08:24):
I think one of the cool things about our organization,
which on paper began two thousand and five, on mission,
it began two thousand and nine. But either way, Post
nine to eleven is was our beginning. A lot of
the Post nine to eleven nonprofits that stepped up to

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support our veterans support only the Post nine to eleven veterans,
and that's fine. I get it to understand why they
do it. But I think one of the great things
about what we do, and one of the powerful things
effective things in what we do is we have veterans
from every era of war. So you mentioned you served

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in Somalia, Larry's Vietnam. That war is war, trauma is trauma.
We never compare. Your trauma is your trauma. So that's
what it is. And you know, my trauma is worse
than yours. That's a stupid argument, right, But it's so

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important for people to understand. We do serve veterans of
every era of war, and most folks, if you ask
them to start delineating America's war as they skip over
Samoia for instance, Yes, Korea is known as the forgotten War.
How important is it to you to see, like when

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you were in the program and what year did you
come in? Okay, so three years ago when you came
into the program, how important was it as you went
through to see guys both who served previous to you
and post to you.

Speaker 5 (10:10):
It was actually wonderful. The thing that I noticed was this,
no matter where we had been, our trauma had so
many similarities, you know, and even mister Larry, like mister
the Vietnam vets that come, you know, I give them a.

Speaker 4 (10:27):
Lot of.

Speaker 5 (10:30):
I respect them so much because they suffered for longer.
You know, I've been I got out of the military
of ninety four and I came in twenty two, So
that's a less amount of time than what mister Larry
went to the war and then he came here. But
it just let me know that it didn't matter where
we came from. It didn't matter what warre we in.

(10:52):
The symptoms were the same, no matter what state we
came from or anything like that. Trauma is trauma regards nothing,
It will affect anyone. So yeah, that's what That's what
was great for me.

Speaker 3 (11:06):
Yeah, Larry, I'm sure for any veteran coming into camp hope.
You know, especially coming from out of state, You're going
to some place you've never been before, going to a
place when people you've never met before, not really sure
what you're in for. I mean, you can see the brochure,
you can see what's online and read all that. That's

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and that's all fine and good, but you don't really
know where you're going or who you're about to meet,
what you're about to walk into. But coming in as
a Vietnam vet, someone who's time in combat was more
than five decades ago, what was that like for you?

Speaker 4 (11:47):
Excuse me? The combat that I was involved in was
in sixty seven or sixty eight, And for a long
time after I came back home, no one really respected us.
We were forgotten. We were called baby killers by some
of the people. And it's not that they didn't really care.

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They didn't really know what we were doing, you know,
so no one really welcomed me back or really thanked
me so for my family. And so I worked and
raised a family and did pretty good. At times. I
would have some things that were haunting me. But the

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VA back then wasn't very much help to us, if any,
at that time when I came home in sixty eight.
So as time progressed, it took me. Well. I was
forty three years of age when I first got help
from the Vestre's administration. That was my hearing by little

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hearing loss and and then ten nights, so we were
As time grew on, they started taking care of us more,
and it took me about twenty five years to get
my one hundred percent disability because of PTSD. I had
been caring with me all these years, even though I

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realize how bad it was getting on me. But as
I retired in two thousand and eight, I have a
small farm that I worked with cattle and uh family
back home, and I did pretty good for a couple
three years, but then time got all the work done,
it started coming back. I had these nightmares, you might say,

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and I saw those guys a little BC as we
call them coming up on the back deck one night
and went out. It wasn't real. So as time grew on,
I started to get more help from the VA, and
they put me on meds and really helping me today
and I appreciate what to do today. They kept up

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for US vesters in needs. So I am so thankful
and so thankful for Camp Hope what they've done for
me as I came in from out of state, like
Pastor Moser said, and I have really been grateful. It
didn't take me too long to adjust because I have
done a lot of different things in my life. I've
taught classes and I've done a lot of different things,

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So I have fit right in I Hope and trying
to do the very best I can my stay here
at Camp Hope.

Speaker 3 (14:33):
When were you When were you diagnosed by the VA.

Speaker 4 (14:36):
I was diagnosed with the VA in about two thousand
and six. Is really having the PTSD. It took me
about twenty five years by going through thus the VFW
and American Legion helped me, and so it took that

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long for me to get what I really needed, started
seeing therapist and psychiatrists and the things that I need.
And now I am progressing well and trying to do
those things that make me heal, you know.

Speaker 3 (15:20):
Sure, well, of course I think it was nineteen eighty,
I believe within a year or two of when the
diagnosis of PTSD was officially a thing. And of course
it's not a new thing, it's just a new name.

(15:42):
People love to talk about the name. It should dropped
the d so because it's not a disorder. There used
to be thousand yards stare, all kinds of different things
that names that have been given to it, but very
similar issues, all recurrences or responses to war. And yes,

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I think it's very obvious to everybody who's paid any
kind of attention that the VA certainly dropped the ball
for our veterans coming home from Vietnam. But it's not
just the VA. The entire nation failed miserably because of
what was going on in America at the time. And

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I've talked to many Vietnam vets who have when they
came home, they made sure nobody knew they had ever
been there. They didn't want anybody to know that they
were there because of those things that you mentioned being
called baby killers.

Speaker 4 (16:44):
If I might say this, when I got out of
the military in sixty eight, about around April at Oakland
trash Fair Base. They told us we're probably best if
we put on Seville in clothes and not have her uniform.
All that was really a blow to be.

Speaker 3 (17:03):
No, no, no doubt. I mean, I one, I can't
imagine it. I mean I can pretend to imagine, but
I can't. I can't imagine what that must have been like.

Speaker 4 (17:11):
Were you drafted, yes, sir?

Speaker 3 (17:13):
Okay, so you know, first of all, you take some
eighteen year old kid or whatever and draft them, just
pluck them out of their life and train them up
for war and send them over to a jungle for
a year and expect them to come home and everything
be okay. There's just nothing about any of that that
makes sense. Which war doesn't make sense. There's no way
to make sense of war. I hate all the fallout

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of it. It's just there's so much tragedy, and there's
so many people that just seem like they just want
to go to war over everything. Like, man, somebody's making
money off it. I get it, But man, you are
destroying so so so many lives eight seven seven seven one, seven,
seventy eight, seventy three again, that's our Combat Trauma Crisis Line.
Our website's PTSD USA dot org for information both on

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Camp Hope and all of our support groups both for
veterans and for family.

Speaker 2 (18:02):
We'll be right back, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (18:21):
Welcome back, Roade to Hope Radio. David Malsby along with Tyrone,
United States Army veteran mentor at Camp Hope, the Interim
Housing Program the PTSD Foundation of America got Larry United
States Army Vietnam veteran Tyrone Somalia. I should have mentioned
that Larry United States Army Vietnam VET, both with PTSD

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Tyrone having come through the program at Camp Hope completing it,
and now I'm serving as a mentor in our program,
which is so cool. I just, I just I think
all those stories are just so inspiring, Like the struggle
you get through of you know, a battle itself and combat,
but then the struggle of coming home and dealing with
that for you know, like in Larry's instance, you're talking

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about five plus decades over you know, overcoming that, learning
how to work along with that and cope with that
and then help your fellow brother. That's just to me,
that's just such an inspiring story Larry again in Vietnam.

Speaker 2 (19:22):
Vet. Let's go back.

Speaker 3 (19:25):
When were you drafted?

Speaker 4 (19:28):
I was drafted in May of sixty six, nineteen sixty shicks.

Speaker 3 (19:33):
How old were you?

Speaker 4 (19:34):
Nineteen?

Speaker 3 (19:35):
Nineteen years old? And then where what city in Alabama?

Speaker 4 (19:40):
I was? I was actually grew up in at Tennessee,
you know, Okay, a little town called Pulaska, Tennessee. Yeah,
Giles County, just right on the Alabama northern border.

Speaker 3 (19:52):
So you're nineteen. I'm guessing you probably had an idea
it was probably coming well.

Speaker 4 (20:00):
I didn't have too much of an idea, but I
knew that.

Speaker 3 (20:03):
What were you doing?

Speaker 4 (20:04):
I was working as a sharkings over planned in Plashka, Tennessee.
Just had graduated high school and was working there and
got my draft notice and went to Nashville, Tennessee. There.
From there, I came back home and then I ended
up in Benning, Georgia for my military basic training.

Speaker 3 (20:28):
Do you remember how you felt when you got that
draft notice?

Speaker 4 (20:31):
I remember very well this one night. We got there
later in the afternoon, and we still had our civilian
clothes on, and I remember uh walking around that night,
had to pull a firewatch two o'clock in the morning,
I looked up and I said, what if I got
into You know, I was homesick, never been anywhere much
in my life other than maybe one hundred miles from home.

(20:55):
Grew up in really the countryside, farming, working to raising
cattle and milk and cows, just the things that life
at that time. It was pretty tough. You know. I
was born in nineteen forty seven, so if you think
back on that, it was just really different, different time.

Speaker 3 (21:19):
I'm a little I'm about twenty years younger than you are.
And yes, even that was a different time than from day.
Today is a very different world we're living in.

Speaker 4 (21:28):
I know this computers stuff we have. I'm way behind
on all that. So my son can do that for
me when I'm home, but I ain't got him around now,
so I make it pretty good.

Speaker 3 (21:40):
Yeah, I always kind of laugh at people's like man,
when I was in college, it was a IBM typewriter
and whiteout.

Speaker 4 (21:50):
I know that. I remember I went through a lot
of white out. I remember the white out from high school.

Speaker 3 (21:55):
Yeah, no such thing as a cell phone or backspace.

Speaker 4 (22:00):
Never had a cell phone.

Speaker 3 (22:01):
A very very different world.

Speaker 4 (22:03):
I remember our first phone we got on our first
TV in about nineteen sixty two, We've got a black
white TV. So times have really changed for me. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (22:16):
Okay, so you get drafted and it's like, what what's
going on? What's about to happen? You end up at
Fort Benning. When did you step foot into Vietnam?

Speaker 4 (22:27):
Okay, took the basic train at Fort Benning that I
in the In June of that same year, I went
to Fort Sill, Oklahoma, took a T and Fort Fort
Seill and we uh after Ai T we deacted. We
reactivated the first Brittagion twenty seventh Field Archarry, second Field

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Force in Vietnam. And there's one five or five artillery
guns which some may know or not know about it,
but anyway, we trained all those guns and we went
over a ship in the in the spring of that
year April May April to be exact, April fourteenth, and uh,
we sailed over by the USS General Walker, first time

(23:09):
that I've been on board ship and the last. So
we sailed bout eighteen days in Vietnam to get to
Vietnam and a port of Von Tau, Vietnam, and we
received our weapons there and carried them in the country
and built a base camp at a place called Fuloi, Vietnam.
And uh, what I mean by a base camp. We

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had to build up barriers, sandbash protect our ammunition and
powder that was involved in shooting a one five five
Arteria weapon and uh from there we uh, we were
over there during the time there was a lot of
stuff going on sixty seven or sixty eight. Uh, like

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brother Molty said, many people don't really know about the tent,
but that was that was when the North invaded the
South Vietnam using the viet Cong that were already there
and infiltrated cities and all this, and that that's when
we really we fired. I looked at some history on that.

(24:13):
Before the Tet Offensive, there were about nine hundred and
thirty something rounds fired for this twenty seventh Artier Group,
and then after during that it was like fifteen hundred
rounds fired during the Tet Offensive.

Speaker 3 (24:31):
Where were you What were you doing during tent? What
was your job on.

Speaker 4 (24:36):
The Artaria gun? Okay went over there as an assistant
gunner on the arterier weapon was the one five five
shellways ninety six pounds, So my job was assistant gunner.
I had to figure on the scope the elevation of
the bear was and I stayed that position for about

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six months and Vietnam then, Uh, one night we got
hit by mortars and rockets that hit a fire direction center,
wounded some of those guys pretty bad and hit our
number six gun. Six guns in an artillery battery, and
number six gun was hit. Two of the guys were hit.

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The round hit the powder bunker and it burned them
pretty bad on their legs. I never saw those two
guys again. They never come back. But uh, the very
next morning, as a as a E four in the
sixth slot where on a sleeve, I was put in
charge of that gun crew. I read that gun crew

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for about six months, and uh, I had to become
a man pretty quick. Uh. That's all it was. Running
that war was young people such as me, poor boys
from the country, poor guys from the inner cities, and
of course you had your life first. We called them
the enlisted men that had been there for several years,
that were had trained. They went with us, and then

(26:03):
as uh we progressed in our learning abilities, we were
put in various positions.

Speaker 3 (26:11):
You were there for a year, pretty sure year year. Okay,
so when you're done, you come home, coming home to
a nation that's really on fire. Uh, split in what
they believe about pretty much everything. Uh you go back
to Tennessee.

Speaker 4 (26:32):
Yeah, I was. I was living in Tennessee. So I
went back home to my mother and dad's place, and
I went back to work with the chacra rover plant briefly. Uh.
Then I I married this young lady that I had
known before Vietnam. But the marriage failed. It didn't last
less than a year. Uh. She decided she wanted to

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go back home to Dyersburg, Tennessee, where she was raised.
Her dad was there a job, and we thought we
should get married, but she just decided she wanted to
go back home. So for no reason, that marriage failed
pretty quick. So I continued to work in a soccer
roller plant, and I met my wife, Nancy. We've been

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married now for fifty five years, and so we've had
a good life together. She had a daughter when we
were married. I adopted Kimberdy and those kids, I say kids,
I'm seventy eight, the oldest was fifty eight. My son's
fifty four, and we have raised a family and done
well in life. I didn't realize until coming here how

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much I had it made at home, you know, not
mourning for anything. We've worked by nasty. We're secure. But
it had always been good ups and downs for this
and that. And the really reason I ended up here,
and my wife had had some disagreements, uh that day

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and my PTSD was working over pretty good, and uh,
I grabbed her brother arms and she had had a
broken help back last year, last say, last September, but
she was healed from that. But home healthcare worker or
nurse was coming to see her and he was looked

(28:30):
in the window and he exaggerated. I just was holding
a rist, he exaggerated, and Uh, I went to jail
for ten days. Uh. And then.

Speaker 3 (28:44):
We'll we'll we'll pick up on that here in just
a second. Give you a chance to catch your breath.

Speaker 4 (28:48):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (28:50):
Eight seven seven seven seven seventy eight seventy three is
our combat Trauma Crisis line. If you know someone, if
you are that's someone you've experienced something like what you're
hearing about right now, it's not the first eight seven
seven seven one seven seventy eight seventy three will be
right back. I know movies don't compare any shape war

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form to reality, but over the memorial. The day weekend
I watched I watched a movie. It was Vietnam related.
It was based on a true story of someone they
were that eventually did receive the Medal of Honor but
initially was denied that, and some who had served with

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that veteran with that individual fought for decades to get
that posthumously awarded to that individual. And they did a
pretty good job. I think of kind of showing just
how some of our Vietnam veterans, as you did, went

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through life. Larry got a job, got married, had a life,
but there was still that inner struggle of dealing with
what happened to them, what they did to others.

Speaker 2 (30:30):
War, and.

Speaker 3 (30:37):
So many try to just pack it away and you know,
kind of lock it up in a box, never to
be remembered again. And it's not really how it works.
We can be effective of that to some degree for
some period of time, but over time just doesn't happen.

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So you've been telling us the last few minutes about
what led you to Camp Hope, and some arguments and
someone over exaggerating what happened there, which is not unusual. Unfortunately,
ten days in jail, what happened after that.

Speaker 4 (31:17):
Okay, excuse me. After that at a Vietnam excuse me,
a VA person got me out of at jail and
she was looking for a program back home, so couldn't
find exactly what we needed. So she put me or
we went to a facility in Hostel, Alabama, and they

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helped me build my meds and I stayed there for
about fourteen days. Then after that, I stayed at a
motel for about fifteen days and this lady, same lady,
I found out or knew someone that knew about Camp Hope,
so we uh by doing that, some calls were made

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and uh first person I talked to here at Camp
Hope was doctor George, and uh he welcomed me on
the phone, and uh so I ended up coming here
on March twenty six of this year, and uh, I
couldn't ask for a better place to be to provide. Uh,

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I mean, they provide us with anything we need, you know, clothing, food, shelter.
I'm so thankful for that. The tat actually saved me
from probably doing the jail stint. Who knows if they
couldn't have found anything there. So here I am and
I'm so thankful.

Speaker 3 (32:49):
Do you remember day one.

Speaker 4 (32:52):
Yeah, I remember day one. I came in an afternoon
and I put all this stuff up and uh met
some of the staff the next day. I didn't do
much the first day, and of course here at Camp
Hope they do a lot of it's structured on prayer

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and the Bible, so I didn't have a Bible with me.
I got a Bible the next day and I've been
in my Bible ever since. And that's what it's all about,
to get my life back with the Lord. I was
baptized age twenty three, as I told doctor excuse me,
Pastor Moltis the other day at church. That part of

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the story. And so I just want to do the
program and to get back home to my family. That
should happen hopefully by the end of September.

Speaker 3 (33:48):
They're supportive of what's going on right now, sir. Your
family supportive of what's going on right now.

Speaker 4 (33:53):
Yeah, My family's very supportive. Before I left, I actually
made my son oraternity for me. But I have no
contact deal with my wife that they have put on
me out there. I had been talked to my wife
and over three months, and that's hurting me a lot.
So my son is working on that to try to

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say if we can cure that up, but hopefully it
can be. I don't know how long it's gonna be,
but I won't know my life and I won't talk
to her. So it's been a stressful.

Speaker 3 (34:29):
Oh, it would have to be. Yeah, having been at camp,
now let's see me a couple of months. You've seen
some of those stories come to pass and go both ways,
no doubt, some families where people would describe it as miracles,

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things that have happened that they didn't think could ever
possibly happen. And there's also those that they just can't
They just can't repair it, and that, you know, that's life,
that's just the way it goes. But when you see
that happen, when you see some of those things happen,
one of the guys getting to see his kids for

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the first time, and however long perhaps didn't get a
chance to see that, what does that do to you
when you watch that?

Speaker 4 (35:22):
I understand.

Speaker 3 (35:24):
So when you see, for instance, another guy in alphabet
and he hadn't seen his kids in three years, doesn't
think he's going to see his kids in three years,
but then his kids show up on Sunday for visitation.
When you see something like that, what does that do
to you?

Speaker 4 (35:41):
It makes me feel sad that I can't say my
wife and if they're about seven hundred something miles from
me and I'm not allowed to even talk to her.
The system somewhere is letting me tell you and my
wife even though I did act out of anger, I
didn't really hurt her, and this guy blows it out

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of proportion, and uh, it's just a ship a shamed
of what are you? Sister? Are our sister works as
far as.

Speaker 3 (36:14):
Right, And that's one of the reasons why we not
only run warrior groups, but we also run family groups.
Got to help the family understand what's going on. And
just like in that situation, I've seen it a thousand times.
It feels very personal, and certainly when it gets physical,
it feels very very personal. But that's not what it's
necessarily about. Tying you've seen it how many times? I mean,

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who knows?

Speaker 2 (36:39):
You know?

Speaker 3 (36:39):
You just at some point you can't keep track, right.

Speaker 5 (36:43):
So even even when I came to Camp Open twenty two,
I had no relationship with my two children. My son
is a corman, he was in the Navy. My daughter
he lives in Jacksonville, Florida. My daughter lives in Los Angeles, California.
When I came to Camp Hope had disappointed them so

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bad that I did not have a relationship at all. However,
God can do miracles. What I did was focus on me.
I didn't focus on anyone else's problems. I didn't focus
on what was what I felt was done to me.

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I focused on getting myself better. And it's amazing how
the one thing I did. I was telling mister mister
Larry when we were coming up here, I said, I
did one thing in my life. I surrendered to God,
and he did everything else for me. I did one thing.
I surrendered to him, and my children came back, and

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my family came back. And so I need mister Stovewall
to know he has this in his hands. Larry, hold on,
work on you. These things will get will get everything
we lost in more and it'll be such, it'll be
so much more better.

Speaker 4 (38:06):
Yes, I'm working on this right now, back into the studies,
and it's really helped me. I study every day. I
got a fashist. Every morning I read, and I'm studying
Matthew right now, trying to understand a lot of things.
I knew a lot of it. I've read the Bible
a lot in my life, but I'm really trying to comprehend.

Speaker 3 (38:28):
It now and grateful that you're here, Grateful that you're
doing the work. Unfortunately, our time is up. The clock
just doesn't have any kind of leeway to it. But
thank you Larry for sharing some of your stories. Very
very grateful, Tyrone. Always good to have you with us.

Speaker 4 (38:44):
I appreciate you Cape.

Speaker 3 (38:46):
Ptsdusa dot org for information not only on Camp Hope,
but also our warrior groups and our family groups. PTSD
USA dot org. Thank you for listening. Please share the
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