Mind Over Matter

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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Multiple people in my family clean my father, are veterans,
troops that have been to war and now they're back.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
And think and be grateful for their service, sacrifice, love
for their country, just unselfishness, all that they do for us.

Speaker 3 (00:18):
There are some people in this country who take extraordinary
steps to provide for the freedom and security.

Speaker 2 (00:25):
We forget that those people exist.

Speaker 1 (00:27):
We know them as the Army, Navy, Air Force, Marines,
and Coast Guard. They call themselves soldiers, seals, rangers, airmen, sailors, devil.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
Dogs, and so much more.

Speaker 1 (00:41):
We call them fathers, brothers, sons and husbands, mothers, daughters,
sisters and wives. We call them friend and neighbor. These
veterans answered the call, now we answer theirs. They are
the best our country has to offer, and we love them. Today,

(01:05):
we honor them and we serve them. David Malsby is
your host, and he welcomes you to this community of veterans,
as together we are building the road to hope and.

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in here with us. Today i've Got max Back reintroduce, yourself.
Sir my name Is Robert, McLean but he called Me

(03:56):
mac at the. Camp i'm a lead mentor At Camp,
hope and we bought a new individual here this week
to go ahead and share this life story very. Cool
and you SERVED.

Speaker 5 (04:07):
I served in The Gold war Era Panami. Army, Yes i'm,
sorry eighty second. Airborn all, right very, Cool all up
to you, now grand.

Speaker 2 (04:16):
Introduction my name Is Patrick fisher From Leake, City. TEXAS
i served in The United States army The cavalry from
twenty nine to twenty. Twenty and you. DEPLOYED i Deployed, Afghanistan,
iraq And South.

Speaker 4 (04:35):
Korea, Okay so from Leak, City so that is not
familiar in The houston, area just a short little. Drive, yeah,
yeah so in the, area Greater houston. Area so why'd
you why'd you decide to join the?

Speaker 2 (04:51):
Army kind of got out of high school and didn't
re have a plan and ended up kind, of uh
ended up being the best thing for me to go
to the. Army and ONCE i got, IN I i

(05:14):
knew that that's WHAT i was made. For?

Speaker 4 (05:18):
Gotcha so high school? Anything? Yeah you like the star athlete?
There high?

Speaker 2 (05:26):
SCHOOL i was on the wrestling. Team, oh, okay they're,
good and uh that definitely got me. Prepared uh, Physically
i've been physically active all my life rate, baseball, soccer, UH,
bmx bike racing did that for a. While that was

(05:47):
a lot of fun and, yeah being joining the, army
it was like all the physical stuff was pretty. Easy.

Speaker 4 (05:59):
Yeah never messed with the. WRESTLER i JUST i learned
that very early. Life my youngest brother is seven years
older THAN i, am and he was all state In
oklahoma and he loved to practice on. Me it never
ended well for me. Ever. Uh, yeah never missed with a.
Wrestler so why the army is opposed to anything?

Speaker 2 (06:19):
Else, well, yeah just my father took me to the
recruiter AND i was in there talking with, them AND
i think there was a moment WHERE i seen A
navy recruiter outside and she was, like, yeah you can
join The navy. Seals, Uh AND i was you, KNOW

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i thought about, it BUT i didn't want. TO i
wanted to do. SOMETHING i wanted to be on the.
GROUND i wanted to you, know A navy seal sounded pretty,
cool BUT i didn't want to not make it and
then be on a. Boat. YEAH i ended up in The.
CAVALRY i ended up going To basic where my dad Went,
basic and that was kind of. Cool whenever he came

(07:04):
and visited, ME i was able to show him where
the the old barracks. Was, uh it was actually the
same barracks in the movie. Stripes, yeah that's WHERE i
did some training out. There that's where he was. At
uh so that was kind of. Cool, yeah. Absolutely.

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Speaker 2 (08:10):
Radio glad to have you.

Speaker 4 (08:11):
Along, uh got a couple of combat vets in. Here,
mac how you?

Speaker 2 (08:16):
In?

Speaker 5 (08:18):
Yeah, Ok i'm, sorry can you hear?

Speaker 4 (08:20):
It there we?

Speaker 3 (08:21):
Go, okay here we.

Speaker 5 (08:21):
Go oh, Yeah i've been well. Started thank you for
asking just uh taking in this nice winter that's supposed to.

Speaker 4 (08:27):
Be but he's just. Nice what this winter you used
to get this stuff? Together you? Know, uh it's eighty
degrees or something about eighty.

Speaker 5 (08:37):
Supposed to be once a, time. Sir what it's supposed
to be. Winter I'm i'm from you, Know east. Cold,
yeah snows for.

Speaker 4 (08:45):
Postcards, okay so, yeah, yeah that's why you're gonna HAVE mani, right,
yeah let's just no thank. YOU i don't want to shovel,
it scrape it off the windshield.

Speaker 3 (08:54):
Or just a little.

Speaker 4 (08:56):
SIDEWALK i don't know what You're oh NO i. DO
i got to do that WHEN i was a, Kid,
like no, more thank?

Speaker 2 (09:02):
You what?

Speaker 4 (09:02):
Correction THEN i miss it and you're free to miss. It, Okay,
yes that's completely.

Speaker 5 (09:08):
Fine i'll send you a letter from post From. Alaska,
nope only In. July, Beautiful, yes absolutely.

Speaker 4 (09:17):
Stunning. Yeah. Absolutely how long have you been in the, army, Mat.

Speaker 5 (09:22):
I've been going on twenty, years twenty plus two.

Speaker 4 (09:27):
Thousand you look back on it, now all these years,
later how do you feel about your time in The.
ARMY i enjoyed. IT i really enjoyed, myself even a bad.

Speaker 5 (09:41):
Time so good in a sense because you grew, up you,
know it helped me grow up, anywhere coming from WHERE
i come. From so but NOW i see a lot
of damage that was done THAT i still harbored. Today
AND i should have, known because my father went through

(10:01):
the same thing when he got out Of, vietnam out
the military, then and he showed a lot of damaged
then as me being a kid to watch, it so
it pretty much effected, me affects anybody, thing.

Speaker 4 (10:14):
Difinitely. Yeah you, know through the years of doing what we,
do met an awful lot of the children and our,
adults but the children Of vietnam, vets and that was
prior to the diagnosis OF. Ptsd they didn't use that
term back. Then it's not a new, issue but the new.

(10:38):
Terminology but we know from Our vietnam veteran population when
they came, home they were struggling big. Time and one
because of the political ongoings in the nation at that
time and all the rioting and all that stuff that

(10:59):
came along With. VIETNAM a lot of the guys when
they came home didn't want anybody to know that they'd,
served and sure didn't go to THE, va and THE
va wasn't any help even if they did. Go they
just they had no clue what to do with those.
Guys and so we have this SECONDARY, ptsd which is
an actual. Diagnosis but, many AS i talked to many

(11:24):
now adult children Of vietnam. Vets now that they've heard
the TERM ptsd and have kind of become familiar with
what it actually is and what it looks, like they
look back and, say that's exactly what was going on
in my. Home your, story that's very much my. Story
and any thing about announce being. Addressed well because my,

(11:45):
father oh my, god AND i emulated, that you, Know
and NOW i learned to respect my father a little
bit more to understand what he was going, through and
that's why he had a problem reintegrating with family and
so AND i see myself in this error. Too my
mother to this day never agreed with the. Military reason

(12:05):
why is the same? Thing And i'm third generation and
she could see her baby, son you know it's that.
Way so, yeah But i'm glad it's being addressed.

Speaker 3 (12:12):
Now.

Speaker 4 (12:13):
Sure you, know in The vietnam era, one THE va
wasn't tracking suicides at. ALL i don't think they did
that till two thousand and two thousand and. One somewhere
in there they started trying to track. It so when
you start looking at statistics, data what do we know

(12:36):
about The vietnam veteran? Population and it's impossible to get
even a consensus on what's believed to be the suicide
rate amongst Our vietnam. Vets and, again if you're not
even trying to track it from we supposedly began ur

(12:59):
and volve military militarily in nineteen sixty, five so if
you go sixty five to seventy, three they weren't tracking it.
Then then they didn't track it from seventy three TILL
i think it was two, thousand so there's another twenty something,
years so you got over thirty years of you, know

(13:22):
men and women we were, losing but there was no
tracking of, it so there was no way to go.
BACK i, mean there is a, WAY i, guess but
it would be nigh. Impossible and then tracking it from
that point to. This but when you look back on
the fifty plus years of what that would be and
now sixty since the beginning of our involvement militarily In,

(13:46):
vietnam there's no way to. Know so WHEN i started
looking it up on The google machine trying to figure it,
out it's so varied on what people assume to be the,
number but one of the numbers THAT i saw that

(14:06):
it's difficult to shock me anymore because we've been doing
this long enough and this heard so many stories it's
hard to shock. Me but one report THAT i saw
it was staggering to. Me and it stated that amongst
The vietnam veteran, population they believe the number to be

(14:30):
eight to ten times the number of men who were
killed in. Action so that's fifty eight thousand roughly that
were killed In. Vietnam if the eight to ten number is,
right that's a half a million people That i've never

(14:55):
heard anything like. That WHAT i had heard was probably
eight to nine years. Old there was some talk at
the time there have been two hundred and fifty thousand
who had committed. Suicide was still as that's four to, one,
yeah but eight and ten to one that that's THAT'S

(15:20):
i don't even know what to say about.

Speaker 2 (15:21):
That what is it to? Say?

Speaker 4 (15:25):
Really and you, know It's, vietnam, right you just you
just hear the, word and you, know all these images
come to. Mind AND i was just a, KID i
mean a child when this was going, on and really
ALL i remember of it at the, time this was
the later part Of. Vietnam it was JUST i Remember

(15:47):
Walter cronkite and THE Cbs Evening news and there'd being a,
map you, know as of the, background and you talk
about what was had gone on the day before In
vietnam and then the, protests WHICH i again i'm a.
CHILD i had no comprehension of what that was all
about or what was going on at the. Time but

(16:08):
you look back at it now through the lens of,
history and you see what happened In vietnam and so
many involved in drug use while they were. There then
what happened when they came, home being spat, on called
baby killers and all this nonsense that happened when they came. Home,

(16:34):
like that's trauma on Top we got layered. Trauma now
they're packing trauma on top of trauma on top of.
Trauma and it's no. Wonder whatever the number, IS i don't,
know And i'm not in a fight with anybody. Ever
what the number, IS i know it's. High but whatever
the number, is it's inexcusable what our nation did and

(16:56):
what our nation did not, do and how we did
not take care of people like your. Dad it's so.

Speaker 5 (17:04):
Unfortunate and think about. IT i remember taking my, dad,
well all, right my mother taking my dad back to
the airport when he's going to do a, service second
tour In, vietnam and he was spitting that him before
he got on the, plane just when we had to
walk on the tarmat to get to the, plane and
the actually spit on. Him as a, KID i couldn't understand,
that you. Know and then AS i grow, OLDER i.

(17:25):
See so it was harder WHEN i went through the
service BECAUSE i didn't expect people period be. Sure it's
like NOW i grew up into that, mindset this can
happen to.

Speaker 4 (17:34):
Me so he did a second. Tour he did a
Second that's rare error there for The vietnam. Guys. Man all,
right we don't take a quick newsbreak for those of
you listening ON. Kprc when we come, back we'll get
jumped back into the story With patrick and hear about
his time in the military and coming back. Home so
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Reconnect we have to ask the question where Was? God
because it's a question that's one of the most natural
questions you ask of any kind of. Trauma how does
how does this? Happen if there's A? God so we
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who's come through the, program Like mac turned around helping
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and help change the trajectory of their. Life and at
the end of the, day that's what we're looking to.
Do we want to put you on a better. Path
So patrick must talk just a minute about your. Time
you Were Afghanistan. Interacks so you got to visit both, Countries,

(20:31):
yes neither, one by the, way on my bucket, list
just so you, know not not PLACES i can particularly
care to go.

Speaker 2 (20:37):
See, yeah there's a lot of a lot of, Sand
iraq and. Desert afghanistan was a little bit, different had
more trees and kind of mountains and. Water BUT i don't,
KNOW i didn't really mind. IT i kind OF i

(20:58):
really enjoyed it WHENEVER i was. There what we were, doing, uh,
well a lot of times we did we did ko
like key leader. Engagements we would go out to the
Local afghan Or iraq army and police and we'd speak

(21:21):
with them and train them, up train them, up and
we would, go you, know we would go in a
convoy with them and be a part of their mission
and vice. Versa we take them with us and kind
of just partner partner with. Them and uh sometimes we

(21:44):
would you, know go to go to their place and
eat and uh talk to the people and really try to,
help you, know just help help them as much as we.
Could and. Uh, yeah In iraq we had we had

(22:09):
a partnership with The peshmrga they Were Kurdish Kurdish army
and then The Iraqi, army and we would go out
and do patrols with a platoon of both of.

Speaker 4 (22:21):
Them.

Speaker 2 (22:23):
Uh and that was pretty cool being able to work
and you, know sometimes we would if we were doing
a foot, patrol we would go with you, know soldiers
from The kurdish side and The iraqi side BECAUSE i
guess they were sort of at. Odds they didn't like each.

(22:46):
OTHER i Think saddam pushed out The kurdish people and
weren't very nice to, them but we were allies with,
them and uh it was interesting being able to work
with both of them and kind of see how that played.
Out and there was a time where we get a

(23:08):
phone call from THE peschemrga there was something going. On
we get out there and there was a whole they
Had Iraqi army CAPTURED peschemrga lieutenant and so they come
and had their headquarters surrounded and we show up and
kind of keep them from blowing each other. Up and, uh, yeah.

Speaker 4 (23:37):
Gotcha obviously your camp. Hope so there's A ptsd diagnosis
in there. Somewhere, yes is that basically stem from a?
Event multiple? Events the whole? Shebang where did that come?

Speaker 2 (23:55):
From? Yeah the whole? Shebang, uh pretty. MUCH i remember
coming home From iraq on mid tour leave and just feeling,
overly you, know guarded about, everything, watchful, like oh, man you,

(24:17):
KNOW i have to check check all the corners and
check you, know make sure that, UH i don't, know,
guess looking for the enemy EVERYWHERE i. Went and, uh,
yeah years, later BEFORE i started getting out of the,

(24:40):
MILITARY i realized WHAT ptsd, was AND i started learning about,
it AND i was, like, wow a lot of these
Things i've, experienced you, know, Firsthand AND i never, thought,
OH i HAVE ptsd UNTIL i started really learning about.
It and. Mhm the MORE i learned, it the more

(25:02):
it helped me realize the effects of it and what
it kind of what it, did and how to uh
move move past it WHERE i can WHERE i. Could,
so so like you went looking for the answers a little, Bit,

(25:29):
Yeah i've ALWAYS i Mean i've always been a person
to look for the answers and every. Everything. Uh but
WHENEVER i, did, YEAH i, was, HEY i found, something you,
KNOW i found a piece of information that benefited.

Speaker 4 (25:48):
Me, well when you when you started realizing that seeing
that that, information did you go to THE via or
what did you?

Speaker 2 (25:56):
DO i was ACTUALLY i was in the army AND
i had kind of gotten to a point WHERE i
was severely stressed AND i was going to and uh

(26:18):
at that time WHERE i was, at they called it behavioral.
HEALTH uh talked to psychiatrists and, YEAH i was. STRESSED
i was stressed about it the whole.

Speaker 4 (26:32):
Time so did they diagnose you or was it? Later?

Speaker 2 (26:37):
Yes they WHENEVER i was going through THAT i was
diagnosed WITH ptsd and that was AS i was getting
out of the. Military SO i MEAN i had a
like a medical discharged.

Speaker 4 (26:52):
As as you go to THE va when you got
out of The.

Speaker 2 (26:54):
Army EVENTUALLY i. DID i got h, SERVICE i got
service connected BEFORE i got out or WHILE i was getting.
Out that was an option they gave. Me and, YEAH
i wasn't REALLY i wasn't really prepared for. IT i
had all these appointments AND i was during twenty TWENTY

(27:19):
covid and all, that and it was, LIKE i don't,
know it was kind of. Wild it was like you
got to come to these appointments and do all these,
things but we're only gonna be at work for you,
know two days a week or something or you. Know
it was like a lot of stuff was. Canceled and but,

(27:43):
YEAH i went to one appointment at the hospital On
Fort riley and it was like A va representative and
the guy was, Like, hey what has all hurt on
you since you've been in the. Army SO i had
that moment right just to think about, it and was, like,

(28:04):
wow you, know eleven and a half years all right old,
on let me. Think and then that was My that
was the point WHERE i got you, know service. Connected
get in, out, okay, yeah all, right just uh ask
everybody to get your phone. Out put this phone number
in your. Phone it is our Combat Trauma support. Line

(28:26):
you can call. ANYTIME a combat veteran's going to answer the.
Phone eight seven seven seven one seven seventy eight seventy.
Three you may think you'll never need, it but you
may come across somebody who might need. It please put
this in your phone eight seven seven seven one seven
seventy eight seventy. THREE a combat vet is going to
answer the. Phone all, Right we're gonna take a clue

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break of right back with more Of road To Hope
radio and were welcome back to The road To Hope
radio talking with the mac AND I States army That

(29:11):
patrick AND I States army That.

Speaker 4 (29:14):
Patrick caun talk about getting in the medical. Discharge when
was that while youre was? That? Okay so you're out
in twenty, twenty which, obviously, uh just getting out of the,
army which you've been in for how long.

Speaker 2 (29:33):
Eleven, years seven, months twenty two.

Speaker 4 (29:35):
Days, yeah so that's basically all you knew is you,
know someone growing up into manhood that's all you knew
was the, army, right and you're jumping out and what
IT i mean that in and of itself is one.
Thing adding it in the middle OF covid that's a
whole nother.

Speaker 2 (29:54):
Deal, yeah it. Was it was. Strange the whole, world you, know,
changes AND i had it was having a, kid you,
know AS i was getting, out throw that in there
and figure out. Life it was kind of LIKE i

(30:15):
had a class on acceptance. Earlier that kind of made
me think about you, know it was really hard to. Accept.
Uh life was. Different, uh you, KNOW i had to
be a different. Person it was kind of, like, uh
getting getting trained to be a, civilian almost like going

(30:39):
going to war with no with no. Training uh it's
like they trained us up go to, war but coming,
out it's like getting out going to war with no. Training. Uh,
YEAH i wasn't.

Speaker 4 (30:54):
Prepared and one of the worst things really ABOUT code
was the whole isolation. Thing one of the tailtale. Signs
one of the hey you're in deep trouble WITH ptsd
has proven to be the. Isolation. Uh once someone gets

(31:16):
into the point of, isolating there's there should be red
flags sirens going off everywhere. Everybody somebody needs to step.
In they're going to become a statistic on the isolation
things they once you're, there it's a very dark. Place
so you're coming out of the, military then you're going
into a situation where just trying to learn how to

(31:40):
live life as an adult and where you're not being
told everything and supplied everything.

Speaker 1 (31:47):
And.

Speaker 4 (31:47):
Isolate like that's about as bad of a concoction that
you CAN i can think. Of so you've been. Diagnosed
we haven't talked about, this but you also have traumatic brain.
Injurgues all, right, yeah, right so there's a lot going,
on right what what would You what did you? Do

(32:11):
how did you try to?

Speaker 2 (32:12):
COPE i just try to do the BEST i BEST
i could WHERE i was, at and uh get help
WHERE i. Could AND i don't, KNOW i was still
in the, mindset uh you, know a different, mindset and uh,

(32:38):
YEAH i JUST i kind of made made some friends
WHERE i was, at and, they you, know weren't the,
best uh probably the best influences in some. Cases and uh,
yeah it seemed LIKE i was helping every everybody else

(32:59):
and what they were. Doing AND i would go work
for different people and try to you, KNOW i was, like,
WELL i need, work you, KNOW i need to go figure,
out you, know some, skills and you, KNOW i kind
of took. It it was, like, well even IF i
don't get, paid you, Know i'll still go work and.
Learn and, yeah that was really. EXHAUSTING i was always

(33:25):
behind or not able to catch up on the bills
or having to you, know skip a, bill AND i,
know just kind of everything slowly eroded.

Speaker 4 (33:35):
Away did you eventually go to THE va?

Speaker 2 (33:39):
Eventually? Yes why why'd you do?

Speaker 3 (33:43):
That?

Speaker 2 (33:45):
Well my. Parents my parents came and helped me big.
Time but whenever they, did they brought me back here
to south Of, Houston League, city AND i felt LIKE
i still had unfinished things in the, world you. KNOW i.

(34:06):
WAS i was in a, relationship AND i didn't realize
yet that WHAT i was doing wasn't. WORKING i THOUGHT
i could still go back out there and make everything.
Right and eventually it was LIKE i was, homeless, hungry,
uh been in jail a few times and kind of

(34:29):
had my had to have my rights taken away really
and at that point it was either walk back into
the town WHERE i was at on foot or go
to THE. Va AND i went to THE va and
checked in and went, yeah they went, like uh it

(34:49):
was this was In, Topeka kansas and went to the
psych ward and then from, there, uh they made a.
Recommendation DID i go to a program Called? Startup this
was In Kansas. City SO i went to that and
it was really. GOOD i started feeling better and then

(35:10):
from THERE i went to a domicillary and THEN i
got my own. Place AFTER i got out of, there
Hud vash helped me get an apartment and THEN i
was able to GET i got custody of my son

(35:31):
by doing, that AND i was kind of in a
point then where in my HEAD i was, like, OH
i need to be. WORKING i need to be. Working
but it's worked out to. Be you, Know i'm medically
retired And i've gotten more out of going and getting

(35:56):
help and being a part of this. Program how did
you hear about this? PROGRAM i think from The Debate Medical. Center,
yeah my stepmom and my father had found this the
information for the. Program and when did you get? Here november,

(36:21):
fifth twenty twenty, Four SO.

Speaker 4 (36:26):
I been here for a few. Months. Now what what's
changing for? You if? Anything hopefully something's. Changing, Well i've.

Speaker 2 (36:41):
Kind of learned a lot more about. Religion kind of
brought me back to my, faith kind of learning to
deal with some of the things that bother. Me, uh

(37:02):
some of the things that BEFORE i might not have
even known what they. Were but those, things you, know,
unchecked eventually turn into anger and some of this that's
one of the Things i've been dealing. With. Uh learning
some coping, skills doing some deep breathing and, meditation practicing,

(37:29):
gratitude practicing positive, affirmations and learning to communicate, better be
more assertive and.

Speaker 4 (37:45):
Your famous and in contact with You baylor And.

Speaker 2 (37:47):
Kemp, yes, yeah my dad brings my son to see
me every. Weekend.

Speaker 4 (37:55):
Fantastic, well keep keep keep doing the. WORK i know
it can be very frustrating of. Times keep doing the.
Work the end, Result, well you'll be glad you. Did
AM i, Right, mike you did? It oh, yes, SIR
i am tore grateful to Have you didn't like it for,
us but well you know who. Would it's a lot of. Work,

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