February 25, 2021 • 41 mins
Down in a tunnel with no light, no gun, and a whole lot of angry VC
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Today because we are going to viet Nam. Oh we're
going to other places too. There is there's a jaw
dropping pull out there about the issues voters care about,
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the issues you care about, versus the issues the communists
care about. And you know, I'm always going off about
this national divorce thing that we need to have. Man,
is my point reinforced today. We'll get to that. You
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civil war that's making people uncomfortable. I'll tell you why.
It's a great thing. We have a stripper protest, not
even making that up. But first, let's go back to
nineteen sixty nine. We are in Vietnam, and here is
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the situation on the ground. We now have Richard Nixon,
this president, newly elected President Nixon, tricky dick. He is
in a situation and not a great situation at all.
And this is this is pre scandal and all that stuff.
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The Vietnam situation was simply a nightmare. It was a
nightmare for LBJ. It was a nightmare for Nixon. It
had already been going on a while, it was gonna
go on a while after this, And really the story
of Vietnam. The true story if you want to understand Vietnam,
even though we're not doing the war as a whole today,
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you can never do that is it's a story of commitment.
Differences in commitment. That's what it was. The North Vietnamese
had a certain level of commitment, the South Vietnamese had
a certain level of commitment. The American soldier had a
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certain level of commitment. The politicians had a certain level
of commitment back home, the American public had a certain
level of commitment. And that's going to come into play here.
And here's the thing about that certain level of commitment
all those people had. It was all different. It was
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all different. Everybody was not pulling the same direction in
this war. And this was this was how we were
conducting it. We because there was a guerrilla force, remember,
the Vietcong in NVA were two different things. I know,
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if you're a Vietnam freak, which you might be, you're
probably rolling your eyes and saying thank you, Captain obvious.
But I realize a lot of people don't know this stuff.
The ENVA, the North Vietnamese Army was simply that the
North Vietnamese regular army. They were up North. They were
a regular force, you know, artillery, so on and so forth.
The Vietcong were something else entirely. The Vietcong were in
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South Vietnam. They were the guerrilla force. They were the
one people think about all the time, the man in
the black pajamas, spider holes and tunnels and things, the
booby traps and torture and all that. That was the
viet Cong, the more untrained, more poor guerrilla force, but
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fears fighters who'd really just got done doing it. To
the French experience, these were these were not idiots at all.
So when we got to Vietnam, and remember this is
our war on communism. We're trying to stop the spread
of communism. We get to Vietnam and look, we're here
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to stop communism, right, We're here to help South Vietnam
hold off the dirty commies in North Vietnam. That's what
we're here for. Shouldn't be a problem. It shouldn't be
a problem, shouldn't except half half of South Vietnam didn't
want to hold off the commies in North Vietnam. And
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the American people for a lot of different reasons, they
simply were not willing to sacrifice American lives on any
kind of a grand scale for Vietnam. Prior to Vietnam,
Americans didn't know where Vietnam was period. They just said, no,
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it was that something you don't care about foreign policy.
That's why I don't talk that much about it. And
I'll be honest, I'm the same way. I mean, I'll
hit the hit, I'll hit the big ones like like always,
all hit the big ones. But people care about their
own backyard. You don't care about what's going on in Qatar.
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I had Dave Reboy, my good buddy Dave Reboy, on
my TV show last night, and he just wrote this
fascinating book about Qatar and the Islamist influence here in
America coming from Katara, and it was totally fascinating. But
I had to say, Dave, how many people even know
where this place is? He said, oh, none. Did you
find Katar on a map? I even looked it up yesterday.
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I'm not sure if you handed me a blank map
I could find it exactly. Again, it's the fact Americans
didn't care about Vietnam. And if we're going to go
to Vietnam, it's gonna be oh, okay, let's go. Let's
go slap around some tiny Asian dudes. This will be easy.
I'm fine with being there as long as I mean,
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nobody gets hurt but them, and then our guys start
getting hurt because you see, there were various levels of
commitment the communists in North Vietnam. We're very very committed.
They were very very committed, and there's simply not as
we have found out for twenty years now in Afghanistan,
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there's not a way to casually walk into someone else's
homeland and assert your authority. Either you go in with
some force all the way, or you don't go in
at all. We've had this talk a thousand times on
the show. I'll repeat it a thousand more times. When
you're defending your homeland, you fight differently than when you're
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walking into somebody else's. If you're standing on the sidewalk
and there's a dude with a machete in front of you,
and he once passed you and behind you is really nothing.
How hard are you going to fight that guy? And
maybe you will, maybe you won't, so you can go
buy it's fine. If that same situation happens and your
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wife and kids are behind you, you're going to fight
until you die when you're defending your homeland. That's how
you fight. And so we decided we were simply going
to start stacking bodies and grade the war that way.
It became a war of well what are the death counts? Well, well,
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we kill way more of them than they killed of us.
And that was another way they were One they were
calling that a win in the war. And two that's
how they were selling it to an American public who
didn't want our guys coming home torn to bits like that.
And our guys, this is why it takes me off
so bad. Our guys over there who fought were lions,
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absolute lions, all the way committed, all the way committed.
Their commanders weren't. The politicians weren't. We just sold them
down the river. And so it becomes a war like
I said, of well, yeah we lost, We lost fifty
guys today, but we killed three hundred of them. Look
at that, we're winning. But when you're in a war
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like that against communists, communists don't stop, and communists don't
quit until you make them quit. And this is what
we were running into. The Communists would take over an
area and filtrade in an area, attack a certain area,
and we would because we were the far superior fighting
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for us. Don't ever let anyone tell you otherwise. I
look to every time we got in a big fight.
We were kicking a crap out of them. So we
would move into that area and bomb it and napom
it and send our highly trained dudes in and we'd
smack them around and clear out the area. Only they
didn't quit. They just move areas, that's all. They just
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move areas. So now that brings us to where we
are now in the story. It's nineteen sixty nine. What's
happening is the ho Chi Minh trail is a problem.
And I know you've probably heard of the ho Chi
Minh trail. I need you to understand this. It wasn't
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a trail. What was the ho Chi Minh trail. Well,
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it's a good thing. I will explain that in just
a few But first, the Ho Chi Minh trail, it
wasn't a trail. It wasn't even multiple trails. Well it was,
but here's what it was. It was simply away. The
North would haul gear and men down south to fight
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the Americans. If you look at Vietnam, there are countries
bordering Vietnam, like Laos and the North Vietnamese, because we
weren't supposed to be attacking Laos, would duck into Laos
and hump down the Laos side and then pop their
way into South Vietnam and attack us. That was the
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Ho Chi Minh Trail, and what happened was we would
find it in the places we could. They would usually
haul at night because during the day they knew was death.
Those Vietnamese would usually just only move anywhere at night
because we would bomb the heck out of him during
the day, and eventually we would find whatever trail they
were using, we would bomb it, and then the North Vietnamese,
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remember these are communist people, would simply order their citizens
to rebuild it somewhere else or sometimes right there, and
they would rebuild it as fast as we could blow
the dagon thing up, and we start having major problems
in a place called the Ashaw Valley. Don't worry about
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remembering the name of these names are tough to remember.
All you need to know about the Ashaw Valley is
you can picture North Vietnam right, and you can picture
South Vietnam. The Ashaw Valley was in the north western
part of South Vietnam. And it was exactly what I
was just telling you about. It was a place where
the Ho Chi Minh Trail came out of Laos and
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popped into South Vietnam, and the North Vietnamese were moving
in there in mass. They were stacking up forces there,
pushing people around there. And we decided we were going
to do something called Operation Apache Snow. And the operation
was simply, let's go to the Ashaw Valley and crush
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the North Vietnamese there. And you need to understand the
desperation on behalf of the American generals and politicians too.
By nineteen sixty nine, I mean not that it was
are popular, but by nineteen sixty nine, this war is very,
very very unpopular. And this is in America. Keep in
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mind that had only ever known wins, and I mean
huge cool wins too. This is the Think how many
people were alive during World War Two. We're still alive
during Vietnam. Think about think about what it would have
been like to be an American alive in World War Two.
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Opening up the newspaper every day about a battle in
Ewo Jima and the Battle of the Bulge and American
victory and the glorious victories you've been part of, and
even Korea. You go take on nine trillion Chinese people
in North Korea and win. It's a great win. The
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Americans had only ever known things like that. And we
get to Vietnam and there aren't big wins because the
North Vietnamese won't let you have big wins. They tried
some of that early on, Wow, we'll take on these Americans,
and we kept just stomping them into the ground. So
now they would just melt away. And you never ever,
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ever as a general, as a politician, you never got
to step up to the microphone and tell the American people,
look at this big win, what's a win? But you
killed a couple hundred North Vietnamese. That's not gonna wake
any American now. It's not gonna get anybody cheering. They
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thought they could get a big win out of here.
Only the North Vietnamese were very, very very good at
some things. And one of the things they were very
good at, like I just said, was melting away, no
need to take us on. But they were also good
at recognizing an opportunity. And there was a hill in
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the Ashau valley and go look at it. To this day,
from what I understand, I think it's a tourist attraction
to this day called Hill nine three seven. And this
large hill with various fingers coming out the top of it,
double triple canopy jungle was simply a natural fortress. And
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the North Vietnamese recognized, Okay, the Americans are coming. They're
coming to this hill no doubt, because it was the
best position to have in all the valley. What if
we don't retreat this time, what if we've maked this
thing a fortress and try to murder as many Americans
as we possibly can here. And so they begin, and
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when the Vietnamese dug in, it was fascinating, mainly because
of their spider holes and their tunnel systems. You know
what a bunker is. I don't have to explain to
you what a bunker is. A spider hole is simply
a hole in the ground. But you'd call it four
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feet deep if you want. That's probably fair. Sometimes less
than that, because the Vietnamese were so small, well, I
guess are so small, and a Vietnamese soldier or store
a couple of them would crouch down in this spider hole.
It's completely hidden, it is camouflaged well, you would walk
by it, you'd walk over it a thousand times without
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knowing it was there. They wait until the Americans are
distracted by something else. Pop out of the spider hole,
Pop pop pop, either take a couple shots at him
of the sniper rifle or a machine gun, oftentimes hitting
one of our guys, sometimes killing one of our guys,
then dropping right back in, closing the top of the hole.
And you don't even know where they came from. It
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simply came from nowhere. It was a nightmare. And that
that wasn't even the worst of it. The worst of
it were the tunnels. I have done a show a
long time ago. I'll do other ones in the future
about the tunnel rats with the Vietnamese tunnels. But the
Vietnamese tunnels were absolutely horrific, horror terrific. They couldn't hardly
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find any of the tunnel rats, the guys we sent
down into the tunnels, you know, to kill these guys.
They couldn't hardly find any of them who would speak
about it after the war. That's why there aren't many
stories about it. You couldn't find anyone to speak about it.
I want you, I want you to picture this moment
because real Americans went through this, and I want you
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to picture this. There's a hole in the ground, it
leads down into a tunnel. You as an American, have
to go down and clear that tunnel out because you
think it's a long, intricate tunnel system. And they were
intricate systems. And when I say intricate, I mean this one.
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They were curved. Don't think you're gonna go down and
look down a hall. They were curved specifically so we
couldn't see down them, so we couldn't shoot down them.
Otherwise you just point a machine gun down there and
spray the whole dagun thing down. They were elaborate. There
were sleeping quarters in them, underground, hospitals underground. There were
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booby traps, and yes, the most horrific Indiana Jones booby
traps you can imagine, and they were real. We're talking
the kind that have a deadly poisonous snake putting a
nail through its tail, having it sit there on a
board that would fall down if you came around it.
Now you have a poisonous snake snapping at everything. Guys,
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died like this. Even worse booby traps than that too,
even worse presents than that. I guess I should call it,
because that's what a lot of the North Vietnamese called them.
They would have little pits for people with the little
pungy sticks on them. You would be crawling. You wouldn't
see that it was a giveaway floor. It would give away.
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They would drop poisonous spiders on top of you. They'd
keep God know, Chris has got the shivers over there.
They would drop a little trip wires with grenades in there.
And do you have any idea what it would do
to the human body to set off a grenade in
a tiny little tunnel and you're sitting there right by it?
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You're gone? And wait, the tunnels actually get worse than that.
I have a story that's gonna be a bit gruesome,
but you need to hear it, and then we'll finish
our tail. Hang on. No word in the English language
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Oh yes, we have a stripper protest. Oh get them, ladies.
I'll go into that a little while. But first, back
to the tunnels. I told you this is going to
be a gruesome story. It is a real story. I
tell you this story so you will have a new
level of respect for the Americans who went down into
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these tunnels. Understand, when you went down into the tunnel,
oftentimes you did not even bring a flashlight with you.
Why they can see the flashlight too. Oftentimes you would
bring a special pistol, a lower caliber pistol, because a
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higher caliber caliber would blow out your ear drums. There
were some tunnel rats who did not believe in bringing
a pistol at all. Yes, I'm being serious. There are
men who went down into dark tunnels with booby traps
everywhere with nothing but a knife. That is, that is
a level of bravery, that is, that's not human. I
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don't know how people did that. And maybe that's just
because I'm not a big claustrophobic on my shoulders, guy,
I don't know how they did that. And the tunnels
not only already told you they had sleeping quarters in hospitals,
the tunnels had levels to them. That's right. You can
go down a tunnel and it'll have another hole or
a door that'll take you down to another level. Or
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you'll keep going and you'll see a door above you
that will go up to another level. And they were
always trying to make your life miserable and kill you.
And there is one story from this tunnel rat book
I read, and the story was this, two Americans went
down the one of them was going up through one
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of those doors, and apparently this was a trick the
Vietnamese would do quite often. There was a viet Cong
guerrilla up above the level. He was on the level
above the American pops his head through to look. The
Vietnamese dude stabs him in the throat with a bamboo stick,
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but then doesn't pull the stick out, doesn't finish him off,
leaves him there because now there's a stick in his
neck and he can't pull his head back down through
the hole, and there's not enough room for his friend
to get by him and remove the stick to pull
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his head back down through the hole. That's right. You
want to picture the worst experience in the history of mankind,
be stabbed in the neck in the pit black with
no way to get out, in a Vietnamese tunnel. I
told you that, so you understood. It was understood. These
tunnels were a living hell, and the Vietnamese were masters
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at them, and they had them dug in all over
Hill nine thirty seven. And because our politicians didn't have
any idea what they were doing, they decided there was
a humane way to fight the jungle communists. They stopped
letting Americans use flamethrowers in the tunnels. Yeah, it's bad.
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And remember the tunnels were curved anyway, so you couldn't
use grenades, you couldn't use machine guns. It's simply you
wouldn't get enough blast out of it. Either you flamethrow
them or nothing. It was bad. So we get to
this hill and we start fighting our way up the
hill through the double and triple canopy jungle, and we're
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getting a lot of a lot of the little gorilla attacks,
little snipers shot here. Like I said, I pop out
of the spider holes, a little brief contact there. But
we don't have a good idea of how many Vietnamese
are there. Remember this is double and triple canopy jungle.
You can't just magically snap your fingers and know how
many people were in an area. You have to see
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them either on the ground or by air, and we
couldn't do either of those things. We think this is
only going to take a couple of days to take
this hill, except it didn't. We're fighting our way up
and fighting our way up and it's not that bad,
but it's very slow going because of the jungle, and
you have to make sure you clear out every tunnel
and bunker you come to because you can't let these
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people pop up behind you, which the Vietnamese would often do.
And then one night you see Communists have always been
and are currently very very very good at propaganda making
a statement, pushing out some kind of message. They just
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always are. You know what they did one night after
we're there for a few days, we still think there
are only a few Nva here in this place. One
night at the same time, they decided to light a
bunch of camp fires on the mountain. And here we
are at the bottom of the hill and we look
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up and there are three concentric rings going up the mountain,
of fires all the way around the top. Tell me
that wouldn't be the creepiest thing you've ever seen in
your life. And now the Americans know they're dug in.
And they weren't just dug in up there. The North
Vietnamese were committed to making us die here. They dug
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in with their best troops, their crack troops, and we
were only a mile from the Laos border. They kept
bringing in more troops as the fighting then began. Having
been in the jungle, I've never fought in the jungle before,
but I've been in it, Triple Nip Jungle in Thailand
in peace time with nobody trying to kill you one.
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The jungle can kill you two. It's creepy in peace
time in an ally country doing practice we're just practicing
out there, basic training. The jungle is creepy. You can't see.
You just can't see. Everything's so dense and think you
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can't make anything out. Its stinks too, because the sun
doesn't get all the way down to dry out all
the stuff that falls on the ground, so it's always
animals and leaves and stuff rotting on the floor. It's stinks.
I'll never forget about it. Stinks. We start having to
fight our way through the top. We are napalming them, artillery,
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We're doing everything we can, but they're dug in as
much as humanly possible, and they're not doing what they
normally did, which is pulled back. They're reinforcing. They're killing us.
This is in case any of this sounds familiar. This
is actually known as Hamburger Hill because one guy on
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the ground said they're chopping us into Hamburger here, and
he actually put up a sign that said Hamburger Hill
and stuck it on a tree, and that's actually what
it's known as. Now. They made a movie about it.
I never saw it. I heard it was good. I
don't know. I can't testify to that. But we fought
our way through the jungle and fought our way through
the jungle. And as we're inching forward and some of
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the front line units are taking seventy percent casualties, we're
inching ford and inching ford and inching forward. One of
the main things, and this will always stay with me
if you look into the Battle of Hamburger Hill, one
of the main things that stuck with me was the
huge concern of the American generals, on top of the
loss of life of their guys, was the reporters. We
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had report orders with US, reporters with US, and reporters
are sitting there watching every single American body bag that
comes out with a look of joy on their face,
probably not all the time, but with a look of
joy on their face of oh, this is going to
really make people mad when I report on this back home,
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stoking the flames and stoking the flames and stoking the flames.
And why because the American public was not committed to
winning this war, and the reporters knew it. And I'm
not blaming the American public for that either, but that
is a fact. The truth is it took us ten days,
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ten days to take Hill nine thirty seven Hamburger Hill.
We took it, lost all these guys, thankfully killed more
of them than of us. And then less than two
weeks later we abandon the hill. And I said in
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the beginning, the Vietnam War was about commitment. The North
Vietnamese were committed all the way. The Vietcong were committed
all the way. Our guys on the ground committed all
the way. But you know why there's only one Vietnam. Now.
I'll tell you why in just a second, and then
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The Vietnam War was a question about commitment, and the
truth is this, we weren't as a nation committed to
winning it. They were all the way committed to winning it.
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And we did our guys who went over there and
fought in it a disservice by sending them. There is
not an easy, halfhearted, half in way to defeat communists.
There's not. It's never been done. Their mentality is too aggressive,
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too dominating. They're never going to wake up one day
and say hi, I've had enough. That's not how they think.
That's not how they operate. If you're going to fight
it halfhearted, don't fight it at all. We got this
voicemail and I'll tell you I've been brewing on it
because he brings up some great points and I'll hear
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you know what, play it, Chris Jesse, good morning. Listen
to one of your episodes and you were talking about
using different products. I mean, not the products but you know,
not supporting companies that support communism, et cetera. You had
a woman on talking about the same thing. It was
the neuro Show that being said, who do you suggest
we get our internet through or your cell phone service through?
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But you know, talk across some last night exposing a
D and G one of the company that I worked
for and companies that I have worked for. All my
managers have been left wing nutsos and you know they
hide it, but they don't have to hide it. Now.
I have no idea what list of you know, internet providers.
You know, we unsubscribed from Disney plus we don't do Netflix,
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but I can't fling my Amazon Prime. You know, I'm
I'm kind of out there. I mean I was, you know,
I cancel cable back in the early you know, through
dollars at eight two dollar nine. So I'm an earlier adopter,
which a lot of times means I end up getting
short end of the stick. But it would be nice
if us all like a list of companies on your website. Anyway,
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I love your show. First of all, thank you for
the call, Thank you for the voicemail eight seven seven
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It's Thursday, that is tomorrow. We're gonna have a blast.
But as far as getting up a list of companies,
I actually love that idea. I love putting together a
list of companies and putting it on the website, not
necessarily a list where you shouldn't go. Already read off
that long list the other day. Here's a list of
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companies you can trust. I love the idea of it.
Here's something that holds me back from it. The second
I put up a list of companies, I am making
those companies a target for the leftists, for the communists.
As soon as I put up the list, then these
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companies who probably just want to be left alone. You know,
they may not even be hardcore right wing companies. They
may just want to be left alone. Once I put
up the list, the communists come for them. That's how
it works. What these guys haven't bowed at the communist
altar yet, no, So let me brew on that. But
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like I said, there's not a halfhearted way to do this.
This is a war of commitment. How committed are you?
Here's how committed they are. This is a poll. This
is the top concerns, top concerns of Republicans versus Democrats.
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And understand, when I say democrats, I'm talking about the
communists today because we don't have many Democrats left except
for the older ones. But I saw these numbers come
out on what people actually care about in the different parties,
and boy, do we need a national divorce. Here are
the issues that Republicans care about, according to this latest poll.
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Most concerned illegal immigration, lack of police support, high taxes,
liberal bias in the mainstream media, general moral decline of
the country, socialism, antifa, violence, and China. There are more
on there, but those in general are the top ones
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Republicans are concerned about. Hear me, High taxes, immigrations are
on and so forth. Now these are the ones Democrats
are concerned about. And then let me ask you, are
we going to get this band back together? Here's the
Democrat list. Their number one concern Donald Trump's supporters. Their
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number two concern white nationalism. Their number three concern systemic racism,
four gun violence, five Americans lacking health coverage and six
domestic terrorism, seven's police brutality. Why do we live in
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the same country? I really mean that, But you know,
it's a consistent thing. I talk about, why are we
doing this? Why are we doing this? And it's not
as if I'm pro divorced or something like that in
your own personal life. I don't judge anybody whatever, But
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this is the husband wants to live in the suburbs
and go to work every day and manage his money well,
and the wife wants to travel the world while doing heroine.
We're two different people. We don't have slight opposites. You know.
While we could work on this, there's no middle ground there.
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There's no middle ground there. Hang on, I'm not done.
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should have opened the show with the song Fortunate Sun
Today because we are going to viet Nam. Oh we're
going to other places too. There is there's a jaw
dropping pull out there about the issues voters care about,
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the issues you care about, versus the issues the communists
care about. And you know, I'm always going off about
this national divorce thing that we need to have. Man,
is my point reinforced today. We'll get to that. You
can hear it right there. I do my own sound
effects for the show. You get to that. The GOP
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civil war that's making people uncomfortable. I'll tell you why.
It's a great thing. We have a stripper protest, not
even making that up. But first, let's go back to
nineteen sixty nine. We are in Vietnam, and here is
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the situation on the ground. We now have Richard Nixon,
this president, newly elected President Nixon, tricky dick. He is
in a situation and not a great situation at all.
And this is this is pre scandal and all that stuff.
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The Vietnam situation was simply a nightmare. It was a
nightmare for LBJ. It was a nightmare for Nixon. It
had already been going on a while, it was gonna
go on a while after this, And really the story
of Vietnam. The true story if you want to understand Vietnam,
even though we're not doing the war as a whole today,
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you can never do that is it's a story of commitment.
Differences in commitment. That's what it was. The North Vietnamese
had a certain level of commitment, the South Vietnamese had
a certain level of commitment. The American soldier had a
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certain level of commitment. The politicians had a certain level
of commitment back home, the American public had a certain
level of commitment. And that's going to come into play here.
And here's the thing about that certain level of commitment
all those people had. It was all different. It was
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all different. Everybody was not pulling the same direction in
this war. And this was this was how we were
conducting it. We because there was a guerrilla force, remember,
the Vietcong in NVA were two different things. I know,
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if you're a Vietnam freak, which you might be, you're
probably rolling your eyes and saying thank you, Captain obvious.
But I realize a lot of people don't know this stuff.
The ENVA, the North Vietnamese Army was simply that the
North Vietnamese regular army. They were up North. They were
a regular force, you know, artillery, so on and so forth.
The Vietcong were something else entirely. The Vietcong were in
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South Vietnam. They were the guerrilla force. They were the
one people think about all the time, the man in
the black pajamas, spider holes and tunnels and things, the
booby traps and torture and all that. That was the
viet Cong, the more untrained, more poor guerrilla force, but
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fears fighters who'd really just got done doing it. To
the French experience, these were these were not idiots at all.
So when we got to Vietnam, and remember this is
our war on communism. We're trying to stop the spread
of communism. We get to Vietnam and look, we're here
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to stop communism, right, We're here to help South Vietnam
hold off the dirty commies in North Vietnam. That's what
we're here for. Shouldn't be a problem. It shouldn't be
a problem, shouldn't except half half of South Vietnam didn't
want to hold off the commies in North Vietnam. And
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the American people for a lot of different reasons, they
simply were not willing to sacrifice American lives on any
kind of a grand scale for Vietnam. Prior to Vietnam,
Americans didn't know where Vietnam was period. They just said, no,
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it was that something you don't care about foreign policy.
That's why I don't talk that much about it. And
I'll be honest, I'm the same way. I mean, I'll
hit the hit, I'll hit the big ones like like always,
all hit the big ones. But people care about their
own backyard. You don't care about what's going on in Qatar.
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I had Dave Reboy, my good buddy Dave Reboy, on
my TV show last night, and he just wrote this
fascinating book about Qatar and the Islamist influence here in
America coming from Katara, and it was totally fascinating. But
I had to say, Dave, how many people even know
where this place is? He said, oh, none. Did you
find Katar on a map? I even looked it up yesterday.
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I'm not sure if you handed me a blank map
I could find it exactly. Again, it's the fact Americans
didn't care about Vietnam. And if we're going to go
to Vietnam, it's gonna be oh, okay, let's go. Let's
go slap around some tiny Asian dudes. This will be easy.
I'm fine with being there as long as I mean,
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nobody gets hurt but them, and then our guys start
getting hurt because you see, there were various levels of
commitment the communists in North Vietnam. We're very very committed.
They were very very committed, and there's simply not as
we have found out for twenty years now in Afghanistan,
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there's not a way to casually walk into someone else's
homeland and assert your authority. Either you go in with
some force all the way, or you don't go in
at all. We've had this talk a thousand times on
the show. I'll repeat it a thousand more times. When
you're defending your homeland, you fight differently than when you're
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walking into somebody else's. If you're standing on the sidewalk
and there's a dude with a machete in front of you,
and he once passed you and behind you is really nothing.
How hard are you going to fight that guy? And
maybe you will, maybe you won't, so you can go
buy it's fine. If that same situation happens and your
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wife and kids are behind you, you're going to fight
until you die when you're defending your homeland. That's how
you fight. And so we decided we were simply going
to start stacking bodies and grade the war that way.
It became a war of well what are the death counts? Well, well,
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we kill way more of them than they killed of us.
And that was another way they were One they were
calling that a win in the war. And two that's
how they were selling it to an American public who
didn't want our guys coming home torn to bits like that.
And our guys, this is why it takes me off
so bad. Our guys over there who fought were lions,
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absolute lions, all the way committed, all the way committed.
Their commanders weren't. The politicians weren't. We just sold them
down the river. And so it becomes a war like
I said, of well, yeah we lost, We lost fifty
guys today, but we killed three hundred of them. Look
at that, we're winning. But when you're in a war
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like that against communists, communists don't stop, and communists don't
quit until you make them quit. And this is what
we were running into. The Communists would take over an
area and filtrade in an area, attack a certain area,
and we would because we were the far superior fighting
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for us. Don't ever let anyone tell you otherwise. I
look to every time we got in a big fight.
We were kicking a crap out of them. So we
would move into that area and bomb it and napom
it and send our highly trained dudes in and we'd
smack them around and clear out the area. Only they
didn't quit. They just move areas, that's all. They just
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move areas. So now that brings us to where we
are now in the story. It's nineteen sixty nine. What's
happening is the ho Chi Minh trail is a problem.
And I know you've probably heard of the ho Chi
Minh trail. I need you to understand this. It wasn't
(10:22):
a trail. What was the ho Chi Minh trail. Well,
I'll break that down for you in a second. And wow,
these poll numbers on what the different sides care about. Yikes.
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it's a good thing. I will explain that in just
a few But first, the Ho Chi Minh trail, it
wasn't a trail. It wasn't even multiple trails. Well it was,
but here's what it was. It was simply away. The
North would haul gear and men down south to fight
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the Americans. If you look at Vietnam, there are countries
bordering Vietnam, like Laos and the North Vietnamese, because we
weren't supposed to be attacking Laos, would duck into Laos
and hump down the Laos side and then pop their
way into South Vietnam and attack us. That was the
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Ho Chi Minh Trail, and what happened was we would
find it in the places we could. They would usually
haul at night because during the day they knew was death.
Those Vietnamese would usually just only move anywhere at night
because we would bomb the heck out of him during
the day, and eventually we would find whatever trail they
were using, we would bomb it, and then the North Vietnamese,
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remember these are communist people, would simply order their citizens
to rebuild it somewhere else or sometimes right there, and
they would rebuild it as fast as we could blow
the dagon thing up, and we start having major problems
in a place called the Ashaw Valley. Don't worry about
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remembering the name of these names are tough to remember.
All you need to know about the Ashaw Valley is
you can picture North Vietnam right, and you can picture
South Vietnam. The Ashaw Valley was in the north western
part of South Vietnam. And it was exactly what I
was just telling you about. It was a place where
the Ho Chi Minh Trail came out of Laos and
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popped into South Vietnam, and the North Vietnamese were moving
in there in mass. They were stacking up forces there,
pushing people around there. And we decided we were going
to do something called Operation Apache Snow. And the operation
was simply, let's go to the Ashaw Valley and crush
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the North Vietnamese there. And you need to understand the
desperation on behalf of the American generals and politicians too.
By nineteen sixty nine, I mean not that it was
are popular, but by nineteen sixty nine, this war is very,
very very unpopular. And this is in America. Keep in
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mind that had only ever known wins, and I mean
huge cool wins too. This is the Think how many
people were alive during World War Two. We're still alive
during Vietnam. Think about think about what it would have
been like to be an American alive in World War Two.
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Opening up the newspaper every day about a battle in
Ewo Jima and the Battle of the Bulge and American
victory and the glorious victories you've been part of, and
even Korea. You go take on nine trillion Chinese people
in North Korea and win. It's a great win. The
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Americans had only ever known things like that. And we
get to Vietnam and there aren't big wins because the
North Vietnamese won't let you have big wins. They tried
some of that early on, Wow, we'll take on these Americans,
and we kept just stomping them into the ground. So
now they would just melt away. And you never ever,
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ever as a general, as a politician, you never got
to step up to the microphone and tell the American people,
look at this big win, what's a win? But you
killed a couple hundred North Vietnamese. That's not gonna wake
any American now. It's not gonna get anybody cheering. They
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thought they could get a big win out of here.
Only the North Vietnamese were very, very very good at
some things. And one of the things they were very
good at, like I just said, was melting away, no
need to take us on. But they were also good
at recognizing an opportunity. And there was a hill in
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the Ashau valley and go look at it. To this day,
from what I understand, I think it's a tourist attraction
to this day called Hill nine three seven. And this
large hill with various fingers coming out the top of it,
double triple canopy jungle was simply a natural fortress. And
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the North Vietnamese recognized, Okay, the Americans are coming. They're
coming to this hill no doubt, because it was the
best position to have in all the valley. What if
we don't retreat this time, what if we've maked this
thing a fortress and try to murder as many Americans
as we possibly can here. And so they begin, and
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when the Vietnamese dug in, it was fascinating, mainly because
of their spider holes and their tunnel systems. You know
what a bunker is. I don't have to explain to
you what a bunker is. A spider hole is simply
a hole in the ground. But you'd call it four
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feet deep if you want. That's probably fair. Sometimes less
than that, because the Vietnamese were so small, well, I
guess are so small, and a Vietnamese soldier or store
a couple of them would crouch down in this spider hole.
It's completely hidden, it is camouflaged well, you would walk
by it, you'd walk over it a thousand times without
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knowing it was there. They wait until the Americans are
distracted by something else. Pop out of the spider hole,
Pop pop pop, either take a couple shots at him
of the sniper rifle or a machine gun, oftentimes hitting
one of our guys, sometimes killing one of our guys,
then dropping right back in, closing the top of the hole.
And you don't even know where they came from. It
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simply came from nowhere. It was a nightmare. And that
that wasn't even the worst of it. The worst of
it were the tunnels. I have done a show a
long time ago. I'll do other ones in the future
about the tunnel rats with the Vietnamese tunnels. But the
Vietnamese tunnels were absolutely horrific, horror terrific. They couldn't hardly
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find any of the tunnel rats, the guys we sent
down into the tunnels, you know, to kill these guys.
They couldn't hardly find any of them who would speak
about it after the war. That's why there aren't many
stories about it. You couldn't find anyone to speak about it.
I want you, I want you to picture this moment
because real Americans went through this, and I want you
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to picture this. There's a hole in the ground, it
leads down into a tunnel. You as an American, have
to go down and clear that tunnel out because you
think it's a long, intricate tunnel system. And they were
intricate systems. And when I say intricate, I mean this one.
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They were curved. Don't think you're gonna go down and
look down a hall. They were curved specifically so we
couldn't see down them, so we couldn't shoot down them.
Otherwise you just point a machine gun down there and
spray the whole dagun thing down. They were elaborate. There
were sleeping quarters in them, underground, hospitals underground. There were
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booby traps, and yes, the most horrific Indiana Jones booby
traps you can imagine, and they were real. We're talking
the kind that have a deadly poisonous snake putting a
nail through its tail, having it sit there on a
board that would fall down if you came around it.
Now you have a poisonous snake snapping at everything. Guys,
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died like this. Even worse booby traps than that too,
even worse presents than that. I guess I should call it,
because that's what a lot of the North Vietnamese called them.
They would have little pits for people with the little
pungy sticks on them. You would be crawling. You wouldn't
see that it was a giveaway floor. It would give away.
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They would drop poisonous spiders on top of you. They'd
keep God know, Chris has got the shivers over there.
They would drop a little trip wires with grenades in there.
And do you have any idea what it would do
to the human body to set off a grenade in
a tiny little tunnel and you're sitting there right by it?
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You're gone? And wait, the tunnels actually get worse than that.
I have a story that's gonna be a bit gruesome,
but you need to hear it, and then we'll finish
our tail. Hang on. No word in the English language
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Oh yes, we have a stripper protest. Oh get them, ladies.
I'll go into that a little while. But first, back
to the tunnels. I told you this is going to
be a gruesome story. It is a real story. I
tell you this story so you will have a new
level of respect for the Americans who went down into
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these tunnels. Understand, when you went down into the tunnel,
oftentimes you did not even bring a flashlight with you.
Why they can see the flashlight too. Oftentimes you would
bring a special pistol, a lower caliber pistol, because a
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higher caliber caliber would blow out your ear drums. There
were some tunnel rats who did not believe in bringing
a pistol at all. Yes, I'm being serious. There are
men who went down into dark tunnels with booby traps
everywhere with nothing but a knife. That is, that is
a level of bravery, that is, that's not human. I
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don't know how people did that. And maybe that's just
because I'm not a big claustrophobic on my shoulders, guy,
I don't know how they did that. And the tunnels
not only already told you they had sleeping quarters in hospitals,
the tunnels had levels to them. That's right. You can
go down a tunnel and it'll have another hole or
a door that'll take you down to another level. Or
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you'll keep going and you'll see a door above you
that will go up to another level. And they were
always trying to make your life miserable and kill you.
And there is one story from this tunnel rat book
I read, and the story was this, two Americans went
down the one of them was going up through one
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of those doors, and apparently this was a trick the
Vietnamese would do quite often. There was a viet Cong
guerrilla up above the level. He was on the level
above the American pops his head through to look. The
Vietnamese dude stabs him in the throat with a bamboo stick,
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but then doesn't pull the stick out, doesn't finish him off,
leaves him there because now there's a stick in his
neck and he can't pull his head back down through
the hole, and there's not enough room for his friend
to get by him and remove the stick to pull
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his head back down through the hole. That's right. You
want to picture the worst experience in the history of mankind,
be stabbed in the neck in the pit black with
no way to get out, in a Vietnamese tunnel. I
told you that, so you understood. It was understood. These
tunnels were a living hell, and the Vietnamese were masters
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at them, and they had them dug in all over
Hill nine thirty seven. And because our politicians didn't have
any idea what they were doing, they decided there was
a humane way to fight the jungle communists. They stopped
letting Americans use flamethrowers in the tunnels. Yeah, it's bad.
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And remember the tunnels were curved anyway, so you couldn't
use grenades, you couldn't use machine guns. It's simply you
wouldn't get enough blast out of it. Either you flamethrow
them or nothing. It was bad. So we get to
this hill and we start fighting our way up the
hill through the double and triple canopy jungle, and we're
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getting a lot of a lot of the little gorilla attacks,
little snipers shot here. Like I said, I pop out
of the spider holes, a little brief contact there. But
we don't have a good idea of how many Vietnamese
are there. Remember this is double and triple canopy jungle.
You can't just magically snap your fingers and know how
many people were in an area. You have to see
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them either on the ground or by air, and we
couldn't do either of those things. We think this is
only going to take a couple of days to take
this hill, except it didn't. We're fighting our way up
and fighting our way up and it's not that bad,
but it's very slow going because of the jungle, and
you have to make sure you clear out every tunnel
and bunker you come to because you can't let these
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people pop up behind you, which the Vietnamese would often do.
And then one night you see Communists have always been
and are currently very very very good at propaganda making
a statement, pushing out some kind of message. They just
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always are. You know what they did one night after
we're there for a few days, we still think there
are only a few Nva here in this place. One
night at the same time, they decided to light a
bunch of camp fires on the mountain. And here we
are at the bottom of the hill and we look
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up and there are three concentric rings going up the mountain,
of fires all the way around the top. Tell me
that wouldn't be the creepiest thing you've ever seen in
your life. And now the Americans know they're dug in.
And they weren't just dug in up there. The North
Vietnamese were committed to making us die here. They dug
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in with their best troops, their crack troops, and we
were only a mile from the Laos border. They kept
bringing in more troops as the fighting then began. Having
been in the jungle, I've never fought in the jungle before,
but I've been in it, Triple Nip Jungle in Thailand
in peace time with nobody trying to kill you one.
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The jungle can kill you two. It's creepy in peace
time in an ally country doing practice we're just practicing
out there, basic training. The jungle is creepy. You can't see.
You just can't see. Everything's so dense and think you
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can't make anything out. Its stinks too, because the sun
doesn't get all the way down to dry out all
the stuff that falls on the ground, so it's always
animals and leaves and stuff rotting on the floor. It's stinks.
I'll never forget about it. Stinks. We start having to
fight our way through the top. We are napalming them, artillery,
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We're doing everything we can, but they're dug in as
much as humanly possible, and they're not doing what they
normally did, which is pulled back. They're reinforcing. They're killing us.
This is in case any of this sounds familiar. This
is actually known as Hamburger Hill because one guy on
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the ground said they're chopping us into Hamburger here, and
he actually put up a sign that said Hamburger Hill
and stuck it on a tree, and that's actually what
it's known as. Now. They made a movie about it.
I never saw it. I heard it was good. I
don't know. I can't testify to that. But we fought
our way through the jungle and fought our way through
the jungle. And as we're inching forward and some of
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the front line units are taking seventy percent casualties, we're
inching ford and inching ford and inching forward. One of
the main things, and this will always stay with me
if you look into the Battle of Hamburger Hill, one
of the main things that stuck with me was the
huge concern of the American generals, on top of the
loss of life of their guys, was the reporters. We
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had report orders with US, reporters with US, and reporters
are sitting there watching every single American body bag that
comes out with a look of joy on their face,
probably not all the time, but with a look of
joy on their face of oh, this is going to
really make people mad when I report on this back home,
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stoking the flames and stoking the flames and stoking the flames.
And why because the American public was not committed to
winning this war, and the reporters knew it. And I'm
not blaming the American public for that either, but that
is a fact. The truth is it took us ten days,
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ten days to take Hill nine thirty seven Hamburger Hill.
We took it, lost all these guys, thankfully killed more
of them than of us. And then less than two
weeks later we abandon the hill. And I said in
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the beginning, the Vietnam War was about commitment. The North
Vietnamese were committed all the way. The Vietcong were committed
all the way. Our guys on the ground committed all
the way. But you know why there's only one Vietnam. Now.
I'll tell you why in just a second, and then
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we'll get to these poll numbers of wild Ham Jesse Kelly.
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seven four three seven three Jesse at Jesse kellyshow dot com.
The Vietnam War was a question about commitment, and the
truth is this, we weren't as a nation committed to
winning it. They were all the way committed to winning it.
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And we did our guys who went over there and
fought in it a disservice by sending them. There is
not an easy, halfhearted, half in way to defeat communists.
There's not. It's never been done. Their mentality is too aggressive,
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too dominating. They're never going to wake up one day
and say hi, I've had enough. That's not how they think.
That's not how they operate. If you're going to fight
it halfhearted, don't fight it at all. We got this
voicemail and I'll tell you I've been brewing on it
because he brings up some great points and I'll hear
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you know what, play it, Chris Jesse, good morning. Listen
to one of your episodes and you were talking about
using different products. I mean, not the products but you know,
not supporting companies that support communism, et cetera. You had
a woman on talking about the same thing. It was
the neuro Show that being said, who do you suggest
we get our internet through or your cell phone service through?
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But you know, talk across some last night exposing a
D and G one of the company that I worked
for and companies that I have worked for. All my
managers have been left wing nutsos and you know they
hide it, but they don't have to hide it. Now.
I have no idea what list of you know, internet providers.
You know, we unsubscribed from Disney plus we don't do Netflix,
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but I can't fling my Amazon Prime. You know, I'm
I'm kind of out there. I mean I was, you know,
I cancel cable back in the early you know, through
dollars at eight two dollar nine. So I'm an earlier adopter,
which a lot of times means I end up getting
short end of the stick. But it would be nice
if us all like a list of companies on your website. Anyway,
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I love your show. First of all, thank you for
the call, Thank you for the voicemail eight seven seven
three seven seven four three seven three. You can call
live or leave a voice. That's fine. Jesse at Jesse
Kelly Show dot com. Send your love, send your hate,
send your death threats, send your ask doctor. Jesse questions.
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It's Thursday, that is tomorrow. We're gonna have a blast.
But as far as getting up a list of companies,
I actually love that idea. I love putting together a
list of companies and putting it on the website, not
necessarily a list where you shouldn't go. Already read off
that long list the other day. Here's a list of
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companies you can trust. I love the idea of it.
Here's something that holds me back from it. The second
I put up a list of companies, I am making
those companies a target for the leftists, for the communists.
As soon as I put up the list, then these
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companies who probably just want to be left alone. You know,
they may not even be hardcore right wing companies. They
may just want to be left alone. Once I put
up the list, the communists come for them. That's how
it works. What these guys haven't bowed at the communist
altar yet, no, So let me brew on that. But
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like I said, there's not a halfhearted way to do this.
This is a war of commitment. How committed are you?
Here's how committed they are. This is a poll. This
is the top concerns, top concerns of Republicans versus Democrats.
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And understand, when I say democrats, I'm talking about the
communists today because we don't have many Democrats left except
for the older ones. But I saw these numbers come
out on what people actually care about in the different parties,
and boy, do we need a national divorce. Here are
the issues that Republicans care about, according to this latest poll.
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Most concerned illegal immigration, lack of police support, high taxes,
liberal bias in the mainstream media, general moral decline of
the country, socialism, antifa, violence, and China. There are more
on there, but those in general are the top ones
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Republicans are concerned about. Hear me, High taxes, immigrations are
on and so forth. Now these are the ones Democrats
are concerned about. And then let me ask you, are
we going to get this band back together? Here's the
Democrat list. Their number one concern Donald Trump's supporters. Their
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number two concern white nationalism. Their number three concern systemic racism,
four gun violence, five Americans lacking health coverage and six
domestic terrorism, seven's police brutality. Why do we live in
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the same country? I really mean that, But you know,
it's a consistent thing. I talk about, why are we
doing this? Why are we doing this? And it's not
as if I'm pro divorced or something like that in
your own personal life. I don't judge anybody whatever, But
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this is the husband wants to live in the suburbs
and go to work every day and manage his money well,
and the wife wants to travel the world while doing heroine.
We're two different people. We don't have slight opposites. You know.
While we could work on this, there's no middle ground there.
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There's no middle ground there. Hang on, I'm not done.
You don't have to dip forever. You know that, right.
You don't have to smoke forever. And the reason I
say it like that is I have been that guy.
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I've been that guy I dipped for so long. And
what would happen is I would decide I'm gonna quit.
It's bad for me. I'm gonna quit. I'm a man,
I don't need any help. I'm just gonna quit cold Turkey,
and I would fail time and time and time again.
I tried things like the patch I didn't work, gum
of sunflower seeds I tried at all. It's just a
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