Is America headed for a Civil War? Jesse Kelly investigates as Anti-ICE protests get worse and worse. This comes as the DOJ just launched a criminal probe into a former FBI and CIA director. Miranda Devine of the Pod Force One podcast joins Jesse Kelly to discuss. Also hear from Professor William Jacobson on a series of wins for the right coming from the Supreme Court. Plus, Salena Zito reflects on the one-year anniversary of what happened in Butler, Pennsylvania.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
I have a warning for you that may very well
affect you and your loved ones. We'll talk about that
in a moment. Is James Comy actually going to prison?
Color me skeptical on that. Selena Zito joins us to
talk about the Trump assassination attempt, All that and more
coming up. I'm right, okay, before we get into my
(00:29):
warning to you and how we need to possibly make
some adjustments going forward, you and I, I'm talking about
us personally. I want to discuss something we've talked about
at length before. But you kind of have to understand
this concept to understand what we're facing right now. Communism
in general, it is a revolutionary religion. Remember, it is
(00:54):
very much a religion. It's not an ideology. It's not
a political party. It's a religion. And it's revolutionary. It
is revolting against everything that exists, all the standing institutions,
standing governments, standing countries. The communists believe it all must
be burnt down. So they are fighting a revolution. You
(01:14):
may be voting or caring about this tax issue or
border issue. They're fighting a revolution. That's a difference in
the mentality and now it always this exists today in America,
It existed in Cambodia, in China, and East Germany in
the Soviet Union. Now and always, there are two different
kinds of communists, two different divisions. If you will, they
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work together, but there are two different divisions. There are
elite communists and there are street communists. The elite communists
generally aren't true believers. They care about power. They're politicians
and judges and police chiefs and generals. They're the elite
of society, wealthy people, billionaires, and they want to burn
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things down because it helps them make money and gain power.
That's one division. Then there's the street division elites streets.
The streets are the rabbit animals you see gluing themselves
to highways, Black Lives Matter protests, lgbtqdmon stuff where they're
waving their penis in your daughter's face. The street animals,
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they're the ones on the streets, usually mentally ill, usually paid, organized,
always violent. They are the ones who vandalize, who murder,
who assault, and they are primed to do this. They
are standing army, and they are the true believers. So
how do they work together? Well, the elites find things
they want destroyed because it benefits them, and so they signal.
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Sometimes they say it out right, sometimes it's vague. They
signal to the streets, hey, here's a guy, be sure
nice if somebody hurt him, and the street animals hear
those marching orders, and they march forward, and they heard him.
The arrangement is how did they stay out of jail?
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The elites provide legal protection for the streets to do
the evil. Communism has always worked that way, will always
work that way, and works that way right now in
the United States of America. And that brings me to
what we have going on here. I'm not going to
insult your intelligence and act like you haven't seen endless
(03:28):
amounts of street communism in this country. No matter how
old you are, eight or eighty eight, you've seen these
animals in the streets doing what they do for a
long time. They'll burn down a city block, and now
they'll kill somebody and vandalize and do those things. I
got that. You got that right now. There is an escalation,
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an escalation that I have not seen in my lifetime.
I understand this kind of escalation has existed before. I
don't want to say it hasn't. There used to be
a big organized group the weather underground. We're talking nail bombs,
killing cops, that kind of a thing. So it has
existed before in this country, but not in my lifetime.
They're getting more organized, they're getting more violent. You may
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have laughed off. I kind of laughed off. Some dirtball
showed up at an ice facility in Texas and got capped.
He showed up, decided to get in a shootout with
some studs and bore TAC. Those are the swap team
for Border Patrol. Got killed and we were all like, ahaha,
I got crazy lost a haha, What an idiot. But
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that was how it ended. What was attempted was very serious.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
At the Prairie Land Ice Attention Center in Alvaredo, Texas,
ten to twelve individuals dressed in black military style clothing
began shooting fireworks and engaging in acts of vandalism at
the facility, and this was part of an organized attack. Today,
my office has charged ten individuals with three counts of
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attempted murder of a federal officer. Each of the ten
are also charged with three counts of discharging a firearm
in relation to a crime of violence. Each of these
defendants faces a mandatory prison term of ten years and
up to life in prison. It was a planned ambush
with the intent to kill ICE Corrections officers. Make no mistake,
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this was not a so called peaceful protest. It was
indeed an ambush.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
It was an ambush plan, poorly planned, poorly executed. By
the grace of God. But this was not a few
freaks on the streets of Portland throwing bricks through a
window or even shooting someone in the head, with all
things they've done. This was a terrorist cell that made
operations and plans to kill federal law enforcement officers. Why
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would they do such a thing? Tom Holman? Tom Holman
explained exactly why.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
Who were these suspects who were fired, who actually fired
the shots and were later arrested.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Who were they?
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Tom?
Speaker 4 (06:21):
Look, there are a typical protesters that go from protest
to the criminals. The attack on ICE officers, you've covered
them many times, is up nearly seven hundred percent. Now
we were talking five hundred percent a couple weeks ago.
Speaker 5 (06:33):
So continues. The rhetica against the men and women of
ICE is skyrocketing, especially by members of Congress. We have senators,
we have Congress people that compare Ice to the Nazis,
compare Ice to races, and it just continues. So the
public thinks, well, but member of Congress can't attack Ice,
White can't wait, So the rhetoric has to stop.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
The rhetoric. What is rhetoric from Democrat elites, the elite communists,
It's orders, it's marching orders. Remember famously, Chuck Schumer got
up and said Justice Kavanaugh would reap the whirlwind. About
five minutes afterwards, some psychopathic street communists flew from California
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with the gun ready to execute Reret Kavana outside of
his house. Democrat rhetoric isn't rhetoric. It's interpreted by the
street animals in this country as orders, marching orders. There
there's the bad guy, there's your target, Go kill, destroy,
And as they get more and more desperate, which they
(07:39):
are right now, the rhetoric will and is increasing, and
therefore the violence will and is increasing.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Rhetoric like this, according to Axius Summer Evening, being told
they need to be more willing to go out there
and get shot when fighting. That was a direct quote,
get shot when fighting back against some of Trump's policies.
One House Democrat saying quote, and I'll read it to you.
Our own base is telling us that what we're doing
(08:08):
is not good enough. There needs to be blood to
grab the attention of the press and the public. How
do you respond to that, leader, Jeffries, Are Democrats not
meeting them? Not doing enough to fight these developments?
Speaker 6 (08:23):
What we are in a more is more environment in
terms of the unprecedented assault on the American way of
life and our country than has been launched by Donald
Trump and compliant House Republicans.
Speaker 7 (08:34):
This president has unleashed a war on our own people
in our communities.
Speaker 8 (08:38):
It is terrorizing our communities. They are not going after criminals,
They're going after anybody that is brown, that looks like me,
that can't pass as what they say as a typical American.
Speaker 9 (08:49):
They're going to arrest me for doing my job. I mean,
as mayor, my number one responsibility is to keep Angelino safe. Now,
it never dawned on me that I would have to
worry about keeping Angelino safe from my own government.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
You heard that, You heard a lot of different things
in their lives, all kinds of distortions, things like that,
talking points. But the mentally ill street communists sitting at
home with nothing to live for a drug addiction. A
bunch of violent turbo freak friends probably came from a
broken home. That freak sitting at home. Here's democrats and
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media people speak like that, and the freak sitting at
home interprets that as marching orders to kill. That is
simply a fact. And the rhetoric is increasing now, the
violence is increasing. Now to my warning to you, before
I let you go and we'll move on, we're gonna
talk James Comey, going to prison, things like that. They
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just organized and planned an ambush on an ice facility
to kill federal officers. It didn't work out well, because
getting in a gunfight with people who shoot guns more
often than you do oftentimes doesn't work out that well.
But they're not going to stop. They're not going to
stop being mentally ill. Violent democrats are not going to
tone down their rhetoric. I don't care how many times
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you or I call for it. This is now going
to increase from here. Organized planned street violence and the
animals who commit this kind of violence are going to
move on from hard targets like Boordtach and they're going
to come to your church. They're going to come to
your child's school. That Little League game you're going to
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this Saturday, No big deal. Someone grabbed the beer. They're
going to come there. They're going to find soft targets
where they can hurt the people they want to hurt.
They're not going to accept failure forever. This is not
to get you to hide or even be afraid or
stay in your home. This is to let you know
to keep your eyes open, carry if you can, and
(11:03):
be ready to protect yourself because organized street communism in
this country is going to increase from here. All that
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(12:27):
of my favorites, Miranda Divine. Her pod Force one podcast
is going gangbusters, maybe because she keeps getting people like
Donald Trump and JD. Vance and now the chief of
staff Susie Wilds on there joining me now is the
great Miranda Divine. Okay, Miranda Susie Wiles now inside people, Look,
you're gonna know who Susie Wilds is. Obviously people watch
(12:48):
this show are but a lot of people don't really
understand who she is, where she came from, what's her role.
Tell me about her.
Speaker 8 (12:55):
Sudie Wilde is the most powerful woman in the world.
That's what Donald Trump calls her, and it's actually true.
She's his chief of staff. She's a very sort of
private and retiring person. Donald Trump also calls her the
Ice Maiden. But I found her to be incredibly warm.
I've met her a few times now. She doesn't like
(13:17):
to do interviews and she thinks that that's not her role.
And so you know, it was a great honor that
she agreed to do podforst one with us. And she's
just a fascinating study because she's worked in republic and politics.
You know most of her career, she took ten years off.
(13:38):
She's a mum to bring up her two kids. She's
also the daughter of Pat Summerle, who, of course is
the legendary sports caster who really kind of, she said,
pioneered the sort of network sports romances that he had
with a couple of including Madden and just the most
(14:01):
superb professional in that ilk. And she's a little like him.
I think he was very instrumental in her life, and
she talks about that. She talks about the fact that
he was an alcoholic at the end of his career,
and that it was a letter that she wrote to
her father when her mother organized an intervention. That letter
(14:23):
that Susie Wilds wrote, which was pretty sharp, pretty truthful,
and pretty hurtful to him, that was what made him
turn the corner. And that's what he had said and
achieved sobriety for the next thirty years. So she's used
in that family to her mother bringing order to chaos,
which you get from addiction in the family, and she
(14:45):
herself has brought order to the chaos that is the
White House that always is, but particularly when you have
a disruptor like Donald Trump. So she really makes the
trains run on time, is what she says. But she
also makes or that she takes care of all the
problems that come up and manages all the staff and
all the cabinet, so that Donald Trump, in her words,
(15:08):
has thinking time and the ability to do his job
without worrying about all the penny ante stuff that he
did in his first term.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Marina, it sounds to me like she's the one who
gets the credit for the difference in white houses, because
the first time, it's just not deniable. It was such
a disaster. Every day it's a new leak, they're hiring
a new moron. It was just awful, day after day
after day of that. And this time there's none of it.
(15:40):
It's day and night. It's a black and white difference.
Is that, Susie Wilde?
Speaker 8 (15:46):
I think so, although I did put that to her.
She is also someone who has one of the great
virtues of humility, but she does not accept that. What
she says is that Donald Trump is a very different
person from what he was in his first term, and
she attributes that to the fact that, I mean, when
he first came to Washington, he had only been there
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a few years. A few times. He was a businessman.
He didn't have the right group of people around him,
and he was sabotaged from the get go with the
Russia hoax, with you know, Barack Obama's henchman, James Komi
and John Brennan and James Clapper. So that was the
difficult situation for him. Then she said he had the
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four years in between of being in exile where he
could look back on the mistakes he made in the
first term and also see how badly, you know, the
country would go downhill with a bad president like Joe Biden,
and then he came in with a much better team.
And yes, Susie Whils, she wouldn't really attribute it to herself,
(16:50):
but she is just such an organized person, such a
calm person. She doesn't speak much, but when she speaks,
her words really carry him what people listen to her.
Donald Trump listens to her. He asks for her advice.
She's very sage and she looks She comes across as
a very to me warm and motherly and grandmotherly person.
(17:12):
That is the way she acts to her staff. The
people lots the youngest staff is around her. But when
she needs to be she is mean and Donald Trump
calls her rough and tough because she doesn't like to
be like that, but she is very capable of going
toe to toe with adversaries. You talked to me about
Rohn de Santis, who tried to destroy her career and
(17:33):
make sure she never got a job again. He was
her nemesis and she became his. And so you wouldn't
want to be on the wrong side of Susie Wilds.
But I think it takes a lot to get on
her wrong side. She's a pretty pleasant, normal, balanced human being.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
Let me shift gears here and let's talk about John
Brennan and James call me. I don't get me wrong
to hear there is a criminal investigation, but the old
means cynic in me. Miranda kind of scoffed and has
blown the whole thing off, And honestly, I'm still blowing
the whole thing off. I don't think we ever see
these kinds of people behind bars, But I'm thrilled if
(18:15):
I turn out to be wrong. Tell me how legitial
this is.
Speaker 8 (18:19):
Yeah, Look, I share your cynicism. I think we've all
been up and down with a lot of hope for
a lot of investigations, a lot of accountability that's never
come over the last four years plus. So of course,
you know, we have to be cynical, but in this
particular case, I hold out some hope. John Ratcliffe, the
(18:42):
CIA Director, ordered this review, which was declassified last week,
into that bogus intelligence community assessment that John Brennan drove
on the orders of Barack Obama with Jim Coming and
Jim Clapper, that basically was the beginning of the Russia
Gate hoax, and it was about Trump Russia collusion. After
(19:04):
the two year Muller investigation, it was found that there
was no Trump Russia collusion. But this intelligence community assessment
was built around the Steel dossier, which was totally made
up fiction by a British spy, Christopher Steele's former British spy,
just made up garbage about ridiculous, salacious tales about Donald
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Trump that weren't true. And John Brennan forced that Steel
dossier into this intelligence community assessment, which, as his own
analyst said, would discredit the entire thing. And that's what
it did. And so John Brennan's always said lied and said,
oh no, he didn't push the Steele dossier into the
(19:49):
intelligence He didn't know anything about the Steele dossier. Oh,
I don't know how it got there and it wasn't
used anyway as what he said, Well, we now know
from his own words from an email that John Brennan
wrote himself to his own analysts who were pushing back
on using the Steel dossier, that he forced them he said,
you have to use this. That was part of the
(20:10):
declassified report, the review that John Ratcliffe released last week,
and that forms the basis I believe of a perjury
charge against Hit or perjury referral. It's not a charge yet,
but certainly the FBI has had referred to it from
the CIA these allegations about both John Brennan and Jim Comey.
(20:34):
Now the statute of limitations will have run out. It's
five years for perjury. It will have run out on
the initial lies that he told in testimony to Congress.
But he is also John Brennan testified behind closed doors
to the Durham investigation, and also I believe to James
(20:55):
Comber's investigations into Joe Biden. So you know, you can
assume that he would have told the same lies that
he was telling in public for many years and that
he testified to in Congress before that. No, he didn't
know about the No, the steel dos here was not
used in that assessment, and no, he had nothing to
(21:15):
do with any referral to it. The steel dos here
was not just used as an annex in that assessment.
It was used in the main body. And so it
did discredit the whole thing. It did damage not just
to Donald Trump, but to America's national security. And so
certainly John Brennan and Jim Comi should be prosecuted. Let's
(21:37):
hope that that will happen. At the moment, it's in
the hands of the FBI and Cash Pattel, and I
think the clock is ticking down on the Statute of Limitations.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
It is pod force one. Go listen to Miranda interview
all the most powerful people while I talk about pizza
on my show. Miranda, thank you so much. I appreciate it.
What did the Supreme Court do? Did they say Donald
Trump can fire all the federal employees. No, now that's
not what they said. But they did do something good.
(22:11):
We'll talk to Bill about that in a moment. Before
we talked to Bill, let me talk to you about
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be honest. I never used to. I'm not proud of that.
But when I was younger, I just whatever, don't care
(22:34):
who cares, Just give me what I want. I'm baiden.
China doesn't matter to me. And I remember older guys
would school me about that, ah, and I'd blow it off,
you know, but it really does matter. And it's really
cool when a company like pure Talk they hire Americans.
All these cell phone companies, Veris and At and T
T Mobile, all of them. They'll go shopping around the planet,
(22:58):
find that cheap labor. And then when you get a
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be back. You know. It's almost impossible to fire federal employees,
or at least traditionally it has been, and it may
sound like not a big deal, But it's a gigantic deal.
The people you elect will get into office and the
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federal workforce can oftentimes completely defy them. And you can't
fire these dagon people. They're like leeches. Is that about
to change? I don't know. Supreme Court just decided something.
We better ask Bill Jacobson about that. Joining me now,
founder of Legal Insurrection, Cornell University law professor Bill Jacobs said, Okay, Bill,
what is this decision? What does it mean?
Speaker 10 (24:06):
So the Supreme Court granted a stay, which means put
a hold on an injunction from Federal District Court in California,
which prevented the federal government from moving forward under a
Trump executive order which called on I think it was
nineteen different departments to develop plans for large scale layoffs.
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So the district court stopped them from even planning to
do anything. Which went up to the Ninth Circuit Court
of Appeals, which refused to grant a stay pending appeal.
They then took it up to the Supreme Court, and
the Supreme Court eight to one, with Kitanji Brown Jackson
dissented in a fairly fiery descent, dissenting and granted a stay,
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and there's many reasons why they granted the stay. But
what we can discern from the short opinion, well as
the opinion of Justice Soda Mayor who agreed with them,
is what is the court below doing? All the executive
order says is start planning. The executive order didn't lay
anybody off. So if Federal District Court judge stopped them
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from even planning and therefore enjoined plans which didn't even
yet exist, and the Supreme Court said no, we're not
going to allow that to happen. This lower court order
has stayed, they can move forward with the planning.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Okay, so there aren't going to be mass layoffs as
of right now. All this said is you can start
planning for mass layoffs. Just to make sure I have
that correct.
Speaker 10 (25:42):
That's right. And Kanji Brown Jackson dissented from that go ahead.
She dissented from it totally.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
You said it was You said it was a fiery descent.
Speaker 10 (25:56):
Why because she used a lot of the sort of
language is used before, very accusatory towards her colleagues, very
accusatory towards the court at ignoring what she called the
reality on the ground. I mean she literally used a term.
If I didn't quote it precisely, it was very close
to that the district court judge knows better what's happening
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on the ground, which is of course just an absurd assertion.
And she's done that before, and the Court is once
again ignoring, you know, the rights of different citizens, etc.
And so it was just very accusatory towards the majority,
towards the court. And one thing that's interesting is that
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it was also in a sense accusatory against the two
other liberals, because both Kagan and Sodamayor voted with the majority,
and Kagan wrote a separate decision which clearly was directed
towards Justice Jackson and said, look, basically, you don't seem
to understand we don't even have a plan to rule on.
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All the executive order did is say they could create
a plan. Once we have that plan, then we can
rule on whether it's lawful or not. Maybe it is,
maybe it isn't. So she felt the need. You know
a lot of people use the expression explain this to
me like I'm a fifth grader. Okay, that's what Justice
Soda Mayor did for Justice Jackson. She explained it to
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her like she was a fifth grader in very simple terms.
That apparently Justice Jackson to the end was unable to
grasp because she continued with her ten page descent, which
really was not grounded in anything. And this is what
we're seeing a lot from her. She gets very accusatory
towards people who disagree with her. She gets very nasty
(27:49):
towards them in her descents. And we saw a couple
of weeks ago, I think I discussed it on your show,
how Amy Coney Barrett lashed out at her basically said,
all the thing, this was different case. This was the
so called birthright citizenship case that you know, all the
things Justice Jackson is saying in her dissent are contrary
to two hundred years of constitutional law. And now Sodamayer
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had to say something similar, a little kinder, but it
basically was, Okay, Justice Jackson, I'm going to explain this
to you, like you're a fifth grader. Here's why we
need to grant the stay. And so that's what's really
astounding is that none of the other justices eight including
two liberal justices, really don't seem to have a lot
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of respect for Justice Jackson.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
Okay, Bill obviously you are much more wired into the
law school realm than I am. It's not that I
think lawyers or judges are automatically brilliant, but my sister
went through law school, had to pass the bar in
several different states. The amount of research and writing and things,
it was astounding, the amount of information she had to
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hoover up in order to move forward with that career.
How does someone rise to a Supreme Court justice who
apparently is so dumb even fellow liberals are marveling at
what she doesn't know.
Speaker 10 (29:14):
Yeah, that is astounding. She is a social justice warrior.
It's coming through in her writings very clearly. Whenever people say, well,
is critical race theory ever going to infect the court system?
I said, if you want to read how critical race
theory is infecting the system, now read Justice Jackson's dissent
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in the affirmative action case. It was a total political verbiage,
total anything you might hear in the social justice course
in college. And so I think it's a combination of
her being having the right politics for Democrats to get ahead.
And President Biden at the time said why he was
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picking her. He picked her because he wanted a black
woman on the court. He wanted that first. There's no
question she would not have been selected but for that
racial jerry man during by President Biden. So that's how
she got ahead. She got a head through favoritism. She
got a head through being a social justice warrior. She's
(30:16):
not a stupid person. I didn't mean to suggest that,
but she obviously lets her politics influence her legal analysis.
Remember in the birthright citizenship case, she criticized the court
for getting hung up on all this quote legalese close quote.
Well wait a second, that's your job as a judge.
(30:37):
You're supposed to get hung up on legalese. Okay, So
I think the main problem with her is that she's
not the brightest bulb in the theater. But she's not
a stupid person. But she got ahead through being a
social justice warrior.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
Show all right, let's shift gears. I do want to
ask this before I get to Thomas and Alito and
retirement things. Why was there an injunction at all? I
thought we got rid of that with the last Supreme
Court decision.
Speaker 10 (31:09):
Well, this was an injunction against a particular executive order,
so I'm not sure it really would have fallen under
the so called universal injunction sort of problem that the
Supreme Court dealt with. It really just enjoyed the government
from implementing a particular executive order. Whether it would have
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had a different outcome post Supreme Court decision, I don't know,
but I don't think it would have made a difference here.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
All right, shifting gears here. I love Alito, I love
Thomas as anybody with the brain does, but father time
is unfeated. Are there whispers about potential retirements. I'm not
even saying I'm trying to shove them out the door
because I love those men, but we don't want a
Democrat to replace them, and that's always a possibility. What's
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the rumor mill saying?
Speaker 10 (32:06):
Yeah, I think there were. I'm not sure if there
are rumors or thoughts. People are expecting that one or
both of them will retire on a timing that would
allow Trump to name a replacement. That may not happen.
And the most famous case of it not happening is
Ruth Bader Ginsburg, who hung on just a little bit
(32:28):
too long and Trump got to name her replacement. And
so that's hanging over everybody. We don't want Alido or
Thomas to go Ginsburg here. But they're both seemingly in
good shape. They're certainly in good mental shape, as was Ginsburg.
There would be a real loss to the court to
lose either one of them. But they have to be
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conscious that they don't want some future Democrat president to
name their replacement. They do not want the equivalent of
a Justice Jackson to replace them, some social justice warrior.
And those are the types of judges Biden has appointed
to the lower courts. So it's the expectation that they
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will retire, more so than the rumor that they're making
plans to retire.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
Bill as always, I appreciate you, sir. Come back. All right,
there's an anniversary we're forgetting about. We shouldn't be. Selna Zeita,
wonderful journalist, joins us next to discuss it.
Speaker 11 (33:38):
Hang on, if you want to really see something that said,
take a look at what happened out.
Speaker 10 (34:01):
Wait.
Speaker 8 (34:02):
Wait, I know.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
Such an unbelievable moment, wasn't it. I was almost a
year ago, July thirteenth, twenty twenty four. I feel like
that moment should have lasted longer. Maybe maybe we don't
live in that society anymore. I'm not complaining. I'm not
doing the back in my day thing, but maybe there's
just too much information, too many new scandals. But I
(34:45):
really feel like that one should have lasted a little
longer in the memory bank. Joining me now, my friend,
wonderful author writer Selena Zito, wrote the book on that day.
You really should be picking up called butler. Selena. Again,
I don't want to be Grandpa Jesse, but I feel
like we do forget about some huge stories really fast.
(35:09):
Now is that a what is that a social media thing?
Speaker 7 (35:13):
Well? I pushed back on that, and you know, with
a nuanced reason, and it did last. It still lasted.
It just didn't last in the legacy media in the
way that it should have and handled properly that way.
But that left a mark on all of us. It
(35:33):
not only changed the course of that campaign. It not
only changed that man and the conversations that I've had
with him that day and days after, but it also
completely changed the America's trust in the media. What little
was left was gone immediately, and so that lived on
(35:55):
in a way that is very different than we traditionally
think things will linger in the American in our culture.
But mark my words, I mean that's part of why
this entire book was written. That has not that moment
hasn't left us, and it still hasn't.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
Selena, you said it changed the man in significant ways.
You've spent tons of time with President Trump explained.
Speaker 7 (36:23):
So the President called me the next morning. If people
people will find out when they read the book. Then
he called me the next morning. I was only four
feet away, and there was a bunch of reasons comical
and not comical that I was standing there. But he
called me the next morning, crack of dawn in the morning,
and he's like, Selena, are you okay? My daughter who
took the photo for the book cover the book, is
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your daughter?
Speaker 8 (36:46):
Okay?
Speaker 7 (36:47):
And g I'm really sorry. We didn't do that interview,
which I thought was a little bit funny considering he'd
been shot and he was thinking about me and an interview.
But there we had some very profound conversations. He called
me seven times that day. We talked a lot, and
(37:08):
I gave him a lot of space to talk. I
didn't push him, I didn't press him. Sometimes I didn't
say anything at all, And even anybody knows me, that's
not something I usually do. I'm always talking and I
just let him work through it. And he kept saying
to me, why did I turn my head? I never
(37:28):
turned my head. Why did I bring that chart down?
And as he's having this conversation with me, he says,
was that God? And he answers his own question. He said, yeah,
that was God, and that was the hand of God,
which is what he eventually says several times, and he says,
I believe I have a different purpose now if I
(37:52):
am lucky enough to become president again, I have a
different purpose because I was saved in that moment, and
I was saved for that purpose. And I think it's
important for your listeners to know this is that people
have all these assumption as to why he said fight, fight, fight.
They think it has to do with vanity, not at all.
(38:13):
It has to do with the projection of the American presidency.
He said, in that moment, I was not Donald Trump.
I was the president. I had been the president of
the United States. I might likely be the president again.
It was incumbent on me. It was my obligation to
show strength. I could not let the country falter in
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that moment because it could happen. People behind me could
have panied, people in front of me could have paned,
people in the country could have panicked. They needed to
know that the country had grit, that it still retained
its exceptionalism, and that we continue on. And I thought
that was not only powerful in that moment, but it
(38:55):
became sort of the resounding theme throughout that camp pain,
but also every day in this presidency. It is very
different than twenty seventeen, very very different. This is a
man who knows he was saved for a reason, and
this is a man who believes there is a purpose
that for him being saved, and he needs to live
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up to that no matter what the political consequences are.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
Selena, you said that was the last of the American
public's trust in the media. Can you explain that. Look,
I don't need any help to hate the media anymore
than I already do. But they didn't take the shots.
What do you mean?
Speaker 7 (39:38):
So if you remember, and again we are loaded on
with tons of information, the first couple stories that came
out said that there was a disruption and there was
an incident, and then they said, then for a couple
of days it was there. He was hit by glass.
He wasn't hit by a bullet right, and and people
(40:00):
could see with their own eyes that none of that
was true. And so that right there, it was sort
of like you know, the Wizard of Oz and the
curtain was peeled back. They've already been leading up to
distrusting the media because the media kept saying that Joe
Biden was fine, it was great, and then they're saying,
(40:22):
and Donald Trump really wasn't hurt that bad, He's fine,
And it was a it was a clash of moments,
a clash of significance that no matter what the media
said after that moment, it was ultimately dismissed by the
(40:44):
American public because it was what happened was right in
front of them, and they stubbornly dug in their heels
to say it didn't.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
Happen, Selena, Why don't we know more about the shooter?
That's the part that bothers me the most. The man
carried out a successful assassination attempt of the almost Republican
nominee for president. If Donald Trump doesn't turn his head,
donald Trump is dead. That assassination attempt was planned and executed.
(41:15):
Really well, yeah, really was.
Speaker 7 (41:19):
You know the problem with Thomas Matthew Crooks is multi layered.
First of all, this young man was a loaner. Now,
there are a lot of loaners out there that leave
a ton of breadcrumbs, defined right, They leave evidence everywhere
because they take that energy of loneliness and pour it
(41:40):
into writing or things they put on social media. He
did not do that, and that was the challenge. That
is the challenge in trying to understand what happened. It
doesn't help that his parents lawyered up, so there's no
ability to question and there's no ability to press. And
(42:02):
I think you had an administration in the Biden administration
that wasn't willing to push on this incident. They just
went through the motions. Now, I suspect that's probably very
different now as I understand it. There has been vigorous
looking into it. But you know, it could also be
(42:24):
as simple as this was a kid who got mocked
and made fun of in high school for being terrible
for trying out for the rifle team, and he was
going to go show everyone that he wasn't terrible. It
could be that simple. I'm not saying it is, but
we can't discount that that might exactly be.
Speaker 8 (42:43):
What it is.
Speaker 1 (42:44):
Selina thank you so much. Go beg soon, all right,
we'll be back. All right. It is time to lighten
the mood. And I'm still I still have Independence Day
(43:06):
hanging on me. Now, maybe that's just the fireworks smell,
but it's all over me. Freedom America. These dudes know
how to do freedom. What. That's beautiful. I'll see them
(43:44):
all
I have a warning for you that may very well
affect you and your loved ones. We'll talk about that
in a moment. Is James Comy actually going to prison?
Color me skeptical on that. Selena Zito joins us to
talk about the Trump assassination attempt, All that and more
coming up. I'm right, okay, before we get into my
(00:29):
warning to you and how we need to possibly make
some adjustments going forward, you and I, I'm talking about
us personally. I want to discuss something we've talked about
at length before. But you kind of have to understand
this concept to understand what we're facing right now. Communism
in general, it is a revolutionary religion. Remember, it is
(00:54):
very much a religion. It's not an ideology. It's not
a political party. It's a religion. And it's revolutionary. It
is revolting against everything that exists, all the standing institutions,
standing governments, standing countries. The communists believe it all must
be burnt down. So they are fighting a revolution. You
(01:14):
may be voting or caring about this tax issue or
border issue. They're fighting a revolution. That's a difference in
the mentality and now it always this exists today in America,
It existed in Cambodia, in China, and East Germany in
the Soviet Union. Now and always, there are two different
kinds of communists, two different divisions. If you will, they
(01:39):
work together, but there are two different divisions. There are
elite communists and there are street communists. The elite communists
generally aren't true believers. They care about power. They're politicians
and judges and police chiefs and generals. They're the elite
of society, wealthy people, billionaires, and they want to burn
(02:03):
things down because it helps them make money and gain power.
That's one division. Then there's the street division elites streets.
The streets are the rabbit animals you see gluing themselves
to highways, Black Lives Matter protests, lgbtqdmon stuff where they're
waving their penis in your daughter's face. The street animals,
(02:24):
they're the ones on the streets, usually mentally ill, usually paid, organized,
always violent. They are the ones who vandalize, who murder,
who assault, and they are primed to do this. They
are standing army, and they are the true believers. So
how do they work together? Well, the elites find things
they want destroyed because it benefits them, and so they signal.
(02:47):
Sometimes they say it out right, sometimes it's vague. They
signal to the streets, hey, here's a guy, be sure
nice if somebody hurt him, and the street animals hear
those marching orders, and they march forward, and they heard him.
The arrangement is how did they stay out of jail?
(03:07):
The elites provide legal protection for the streets to do
the evil. Communism has always worked that way, will always
work that way, and works that way right now in
the United States of America. And that brings me to
what we have going on here. I'm not going to
insult your intelligence and act like you haven't seen endless
(03:28):
amounts of street communism in this country. No matter how
old you are, eight or eighty eight, you've seen these
animals in the streets doing what they do for a
long time. They'll burn down a city block, and now
they'll kill somebody and vandalize and do those things. I
got that. You got that right now. There is an escalation,
(03:49):
an escalation that I have not seen in my lifetime.
I understand this kind of escalation has existed before. I
don't want to say it hasn't. There used to be
a big organized group the weather underground. We're talking nail bombs,
killing cops, that kind of a thing. So it has
existed before in this country, but not in my lifetime.
They're getting more organized, they're getting more violent. You may
(04:12):
have laughed off. I kind of laughed off. Some dirtball
showed up at an ice facility in Texas and got capped.
He showed up, decided to get in a shootout with
some studs and bore TAC. Those are the swap team
for Border Patrol. Got killed and we were all like, ahaha,
I got crazy lost a haha, What an idiot. But
(04:34):
that was how it ended. What was attempted was very serious.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
At the Prairie Land Ice Attention Center in Alvaredo, Texas,
ten to twelve individuals dressed in black military style clothing
began shooting fireworks and engaging in acts of vandalism at
the facility, and this was part of an organized attack. Today,
my office has charged ten individuals with three counts of
(05:05):
attempted murder of a federal officer. Each of the ten
are also charged with three counts of discharging a firearm
in relation to a crime of violence. Each of these
defendants faces a mandatory prison term of ten years and
up to life in prison. It was a planned ambush
with the intent to kill ICE Corrections officers. Make no mistake,
(05:30):
this was not a so called peaceful protest. It was
indeed an ambush.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
It was an ambush plan, poorly planned, poorly executed. By
the grace of God. But this was not a few
freaks on the streets of Portland throwing bricks through a
window or even shooting someone in the head, with all
things they've done. This was a terrorist cell that made
operations and plans to kill federal law enforcement officers. Why
(06:07):
would they do such a thing? Tom Holman? Tom Holman
explained exactly why.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
Who were these suspects who were fired, who actually fired
the shots and were later arrested.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Who were they?
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Tom?
Speaker 4 (06:21):
Look, there are a typical protesters that go from protest
to the criminals. The attack on ICE officers, you've covered
them many times, is up nearly seven hundred percent. Now
we were talking five hundred percent a couple weeks ago.
Speaker 5 (06:33):
So continues. The rhetica against the men and women of
ICE is skyrocketing, especially by members of Congress. We have senators,
we have Congress people that compare Ice to the Nazis,
compare Ice to races, and it just continues. So the
public thinks, well, but member of Congress can't attack Ice,
White can't wait, So the rhetoric has to stop.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
The rhetoric. What is rhetoric from Democrat elites, the elite communists,
It's orders, it's marching orders. Remember famously, Chuck Schumer got
up and said Justice Kavanaugh would reap the whirlwind. About
five minutes afterwards, some psychopathic street communists flew from California
(07:17):
with the gun ready to execute Reret Kavana outside of
his house. Democrat rhetoric isn't rhetoric. It's interpreted by the
street animals in this country as orders, marching orders. There
there's the bad guy, there's your target, Go kill, destroy,
And as they get more and more desperate, which they
(07:39):
are right now, the rhetoric will and is increasing, and
therefore the violence will and is increasing.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Rhetoric like this, according to Axius Summer Evening, being told
they need to be more willing to go out there
and get shot when fighting. That was a direct quote,
get shot when fighting back against some of Trump's policies.
One House Democrat saying quote, and I'll read it to you.
Our own base is telling us that what we're doing
(08:08):
is not good enough. There needs to be blood to
grab the attention of the press and the public. How
do you respond to that, leader, Jeffries, Are Democrats not
meeting them? Not doing enough to fight these developments?
Speaker 6 (08:23):
What we are in a more is more environment in
terms of the unprecedented assault on the American way of
life and our country than has been launched by Donald
Trump and compliant House Republicans.
Speaker 7 (08:34):
This president has unleashed a war on our own people
in our communities.
Speaker 8 (08:38):
It is terrorizing our communities. They are not going after criminals,
They're going after anybody that is brown, that looks like me,
that can't pass as what they say as a typical American.
Speaker 9 (08:49):
They're going to arrest me for doing my job. I mean,
as mayor, my number one responsibility is to keep Angelino safe. Now,
it never dawned on me that I would have to
worry about keeping Angelino safe from my own government.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
You heard that, You heard a lot of different things
in their lives, all kinds of distortions, things like that,
talking points. But the mentally ill street communists sitting at
home with nothing to live for a drug addiction. A
bunch of violent turbo freak friends probably came from a
broken home. That freak sitting at home. Here's democrats and
(09:31):
media people speak like that, and the freak sitting at
home interprets that as marching orders to kill. That is
simply a fact. And the rhetoric is increasing now, the
violence is increasing. Now to my warning to you, before
I let you go and we'll move on, we're gonna
talk James Comey, going to prison, things like that. They
(09:54):
just organized and planned an ambush on an ice facility
to kill federal officers. It didn't work out well, because
getting in a gunfight with people who shoot guns more
often than you do oftentimes doesn't work out that well.
But they're not going to stop. They're not going to
stop being mentally ill. Violent democrats are not going to
tone down their rhetoric. I don't care how many times
(10:16):
you or I call for it. This is now going
to increase from here. Organized planned street violence and the
animals who commit this kind of violence are going to
move on from hard targets like Boordtach and they're going
to come to your church. They're going to come to
your child's school. That Little League game you're going to
(10:39):
this Saturday, No big deal. Someone grabbed the beer. They're
going to come there. They're going to find soft targets
where they can hurt the people they want to hurt.
They're not going to accept failure forever. This is not
to get you to hide or even be afraid or
stay in your home. This is to let you know
to keep your eyes open, carry if you can, and
(11:03):
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(12:27):
of my favorites, Miranda Divine. Her pod Force one podcast
is going gangbusters, maybe because she keeps getting people like
Donald Trump and JD. Vance and now the chief of
staff Susie Wilds on there joining me now is the
great Miranda Divine. Okay, Miranda Susie Wiles now inside people, Look,
you're gonna know who Susie Wilds is. Obviously people watch
(12:48):
this show are but a lot of people don't really
understand who she is, where she came from, what's her role.
Tell me about her.
Speaker 8 (12:55):
Sudie Wilde is the most powerful woman in the world.
That's what Donald Trump calls her, and it's actually true.
She's his chief of staff. She's a very sort of
private and retiring person. Donald Trump also calls her the
Ice Maiden. But I found her to be incredibly warm.
I've met her a few times now. She doesn't like
(13:17):
to do interviews and she thinks that that's not her role.
And so you know, it was a great honor that
she agreed to do podforst one with us. And she's
just a fascinating study because she's worked in republic and politics.
You know most of her career, she took ten years off.
(13:38):
She's a mum to bring up her two kids. She's
also the daughter of Pat Summerle, who, of course is
the legendary sports caster who really kind of, she said,
pioneered the sort of network sports romances that he had
with a couple of including Madden and just the most
(14:01):
superb professional in that ilk. And she's a little like him.
I think he was very instrumental in her life, and
she talks about that. She talks about the fact that
he was an alcoholic at the end of his career,
and that it was a letter that she wrote to
her father when her mother organized an intervention. That letter
(14:23):
that Susie Wilds wrote, which was pretty sharp, pretty truthful,
and pretty hurtful to him, that was what made him
turn the corner. And that's what he had said and
achieved sobriety for the next thirty years. So she's used
in that family to her mother bringing order to chaos,
which you get from addiction in the family, and she
(14:45):
herself has brought order to the chaos that is the
White House that always is, but particularly when you have
a disruptor like Donald Trump. So she really makes the
trains run on time, is what she says. But she
also makes or that she takes care of all the
problems that come up and manages all the staff and
all the cabinet, so that Donald Trump, in her words,
(15:08):
has thinking time and the ability to do his job
without worrying about all the penny ante stuff that he
did in his first term.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
Marina, it sounds to me like she's the one who
gets the credit for the difference in white houses, because
the first time, it's just not deniable. It was such
a disaster. Every day it's a new leak, they're hiring
a new moron. It was just awful, day after day
after day of that. And this time there's none of it.
(15:40):
It's day and night. It's a black and white difference.
Is that, Susie Wilde?
Speaker 8 (15:46):
I think so, although I did put that to her.
She is also someone who has one of the great
virtues of humility, but she does not accept that. What
she says is that Donald Trump is a very different
person from what he was in his first term, and
she attributes that to the fact that, I mean, when
he first came to Washington, he had only been there
(16:07):
a few years. A few times. He was a businessman.
He didn't have the right group of people around him,
and he was sabotaged from the get go with the
Russia hoax, with you know, Barack Obama's henchman, James Komi
and John Brennan and James Clapper. So that was the
difficult situation for him. Then she said he had the
(16:29):
four years in between of being in exile where he
could look back on the mistakes he made in the
first term and also see how badly, you know, the
country would go downhill with a bad president like Joe Biden,
and then he came in with a much better team.
And yes, Susie Whils, she wouldn't really attribute it to herself,
(16:50):
but she is just such an organized person, such a
calm person. She doesn't speak much, but when she speaks,
her words really carry him what people listen to her.
Donald Trump listens to her. He asks for her advice.
She's very sage and she looks She comes across as
a very to me warm and motherly and grandmotherly person.
(17:12):
That is the way she acts to her staff. The
people lots the youngest staff is around her. But when
she needs to be she is mean and Donald Trump
calls her rough and tough because she doesn't like to
be like that, but she is very capable of going
toe to toe with adversaries. You talked to me about
Rohn de Santis, who tried to destroy her career and
(17:33):
make sure she never got a job again. He was
her nemesis and she became his. And so you wouldn't
want to be on the wrong side of Susie Wilds.
But I think it takes a lot to get on
her wrong side. She's a pretty pleasant, normal, balanced human being.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
Let me shift gears here and let's talk about John
Brennan and James call me. I don't get me wrong
to hear there is a criminal investigation, but the old
means cynic in me. Miranda kind of scoffed and has
blown the whole thing off, And honestly, I'm still blowing
the whole thing off. I don't think we ever see
these kinds of people behind bars, But I'm thrilled if
(18:15):
I turn out to be wrong. Tell me how legitial
this is.
Speaker 8 (18:19):
Yeah, Look, I share your cynicism. I think we've all
been up and down with a lot of hope for
a lot of investigations, a lot of accountability that's never
come over the last four years plus. So of course,
you know, we have to be cynical, but in this
particular case, I hold out some hope. John Ratcliffe, the
(18:42):
CIA Director, ordered this review, which was declassified last week,
into that bogus intelligence community assessment that John Brennan drove
on the orders of Barack Obama with Jim Coming and
Jim Clapper, that basically was the beginning of the Russia
Gate hoax, and it was about Trump Russia collusion. After
(19:04):
the two year Muller investigation, it was found that there
was no Trump Russia collusion. But this intelligence community assessment
was built around the Steel dossier, which was totally made
up fiction by a British spy, Christopher Steele's former British spy,
just made up garbage about ridiculous, salacious tales about Donald
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Trump that weren't true. And John Brennan forced that Steel
dossier into this intelligence community assessment, which, as his own
analyst said, would discredit the entire thing. And that's what
it did. And so John Brennan's always said lied and said,
oh no, he didn't push the Steele dossier into the
(19:49):
intelligence He didn't know anything about the Steele dossier. Oh,
I don't know how it got there and it wasn't
used anyway as what he said, Well, we now know
from his own words from an email that John Brennan
wrote himself to his own analysts who were pushing back
on using the Steel dossier, that he forced them he said,
you have to use this. That was part of the
(20:10):
declassified report, the review that John Ratcliffe released last week,
and that forms the basis I believe of a perjury
charge against Hit or perjury referral. It's not a charge yet,
but certainly the FBI has had referred to it from
the CIA these allegations about both John Brennan and Jim Comey.
(20:34):
Now the statute of limitations will have run out. It's
five years for perjury. It will have run out on
the initial lies that he told in testimony to Congress.
But he is also John Brennan testified behind closed doors
to the Durham investigation, and also I believe to James
(20:55):
Comber's investigations into Joe Biden. So you know, you can
assume that he would have told the same lies that
he was telling in public for many years and that
he testified to in Congress before that. No, he didn't
know about the No, the steel dos here was not
used in that assessment, and no, he had nothing to
(21:15):
do with any referral to it. The steel dos here
was not just used as an annex in that assessment.
It was used in the main body. And so it
did discredit the whole thing. It did damage not just
to Donald Trump, but to America's national security. And so
certainly John Brennan and Jim Comi should be prosecuted. Let's
(21:37):
hope that that will happen. At the moment, it's in
the hands of the FBI and Cash Pattel, and I
think the clock is ticking down on the Statute of Limitations.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
It is pod force one. Go listen to Miranda interview
all the most powerful people while I talk about pizza
on my show. Miranda, thank you so much. I appreciate it.
What did the Supreme Court do? Did they say Donald
Trump can fire all the federal employees. No, now that's
not what they said. But they did do something good.
(22:11):
We'll talk to Bill about that in a moment. Before
we talked to Bill, let me talk to you about
something that's pure, pure talk. See what I did there, anyway,
don't you appreciate companies that hire American I do. I'll
be honest. I never used to. I'm not proud of that.
But when I was younger, I just whatever, don't care
(22:34):
who cares, Just give me what I want. I'm baiden.
China doesn't matter to me. And I remember older guys
would school me about that, ah, and I'd blow it off,
you know, but it really does matter. And it's really
cool when a company like pure Talk they hire Americans.
All these cell phone companies, Veris and At and T
T Mobile, all of them. They'll go shopping around the planet,
(22:58):
find that cheap labor. And then when you get a
hold of somebody there, you can't understand them. They can't
understand you. It's frustrating you're screaming at the phone. Not
Pure Talk led by a Vietnam veteran America means enough
to Pure Talk that they hire Americans. They'll also save
you money on your sales service. They also make it
easy to switch pure talk dot com slash jessetv. We'll
(23:22):
be back. You know. It's almost impossible to fire federal employees,
or at least traditionally it has been, and it may
sound like not a big deal, But it's a gigantic deal.
The people you elect will get into office and the
(23:44):
federal workforce can oftentimes completely defy them. And you can't
fire these dagon people. They're like leeches. Is that about
to change? I don't know. Supreme Court just decided something.
We better ask Bill Jacobson about that. Joining me now,
founder of Legal Insurrection, Cornell University law professor Bill Jacobs said, Okay, Bill,
what is this decision? What does it mean?
Speaker 10 (24:06):
So the Supreme Court granted a stay, which means put
a hold on an injunction from Federal District Court in California,
which prevented the federal government from moving forward under a
Trump executive order which called on I think it was
nineteen different departments to develop plans for large scale layoffs.
(24:28):
So the district court stopped them from even planning to
do anything. Which went up to the Ninth Circuit Court
of Appeals, which refused to grant a stay pending appeal.
They then took it up to the Supreme Court, and
the Supreme Court eight to one, with Kitanji Brown Jackson
dissented in a fairly fiery descent, dissenting and granted a stay,
(24:53):
and there's many reasons why they granted the stay. But
what we can discern from the short opinion, well as
the opinion of Justice Soda Mayor who agreed with them,
is what is the court below doing? All the executive
order says is start planning. The executive order didn't lay
anybody off. So if Federal District Court judge stopped them
(25:15):
from even planning and therefore enjoined plans which didn't even
yet exist, and the Supreme Court said no, we're not
going to allow that to happen. This lower court order
has stayed, they can move forward with the planning.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Okay, so there aren't going to be mass layoffs as
of right now. All this said is you can start
planning for mass layoffs. Just to make sure I have
that correct.
Speaker 10 (25:42):
That's right. And Kanji Brown Jackson dissented from that go ahead.
She dissented from it totally.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
You said it was You said it was a fiery descent.
Speaker 10 (25:56):
Why because she used a lot of the sort of
language is used before, very accusatory towards her colleagues, very
accusatory towards the court at ignoring what she called the
reality on the ground. I mean she literally used a term.
If I didn't quote it precisely, it was very close
to that the district court judge knows better what's happening
(26:17):
on the ground, which is of course just an absurd assertion.
And she's done that before, and the Court is once
again ignoring, you know, the rights of different citizens, etc.
And so it was just very accusatory towards the majority,
towards the court. And one thing that's interesting is that
(26:39):
it was also in a sense accusatory against the two
other liberals, because both Kagan and Sodamayor voted with the majority,
and Kagan wrote a separate decision which clearly was directed
towards Justice Jackson and said, look, basically, you don't seem
to understand we don't even have a plan to rule on.
(27:02):
All the executive order did is say they could create
a plan. Once we have that plan, then we can
rule on whether it's lawful or not. Maybe it is,
maybe it isn't. So she felt the need. You know
a lot of people use the expression explain this to
me like I'm a fifth grader. Okay, that's what Justice
Soda Mayor did for Justice Jackson. She explained it to
(27:26):
her like she was a fifth grader in very simple terms.
That apparently Justice Jackson to the end was unable to
grasp because she continued with her ten page descent, which
really was not grounded in anything. And this is what
we're seeing a lot from her. She gets very accusatory
towards people who disagree with her. She gets very nasty
(27:49):
towards them in her descents. And we saw a couple
of weeks ago, I think I discussed it on your show,
how Amy Coney Barrett lashed out at her basically said,
all the thing, this was different case. This was the
so called birthright citizenship case that you know, all the
things Justice Jackson is saying in her dissent are contrary
to two hundred years of constitutional law. And now Sodamayer
(28:13):
had to say something similar, a little kinder, but it
basically was, Okay, Justice Jackson, I'm going to explain this
to you, like you're a fifth grader. Here's why we
need to grant the stay. And so that's what's really
astounding is that none of the other justices eight including
two liberal justices, really don't seem to have a lot
(28:34):
of respect for Justice Jackson.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
Okay, Bill obviously you are much more wired into the
law school realm than I am. It's not that I
think lawyers or judges are automatically brilliant, but my sister
went through law school, had to pass the bar in
several different states. The amount of research and writing and things,
it was astounding, the amount of information she had to
(29:00):
hoover up in order to move forward with that career.
How does someone rise to a Supreme Court justice who
apparently is so dumb even fellow liberals are marveling at
what she doesn't know.
Speaker 10 (29:14):
Yeah, that is astounding. She is a social justice warrior.
It's coming through in her writings very clearly. Whenever people say, well,
is critical race theory ever going to infect the court system?
I said, if you want to read how critical race
theory is infecting the system, now read Justice Jackson's dissent
(29:35):
in the affirmative action case. It was a total political verbiage,
total anything you might hear in the social justice course
in college. And so I think it's a combination of
her being having the right politics for Democrats to get ahead.
And President Biden at the time said why he was
(29:56):
picking her. He picked her because he wanted a black
woman on the court. He wanted that first. There's no
question she would not have been selected but for that
racial jerry man during by President Biden. So that's how
she got ahead. She got a head through favoritism. She
got a head through being a social justice warrior. She's
(30:16):
not a stupid person. I didn't mean to suggest that,
but she obviously lets her politics influence her legal analysis.
Remember in the birthright citizenship case, she criticized the court
for getting hung up on all this quote legalese close quote.
Well wait a second, that's your job as a judge.
(30:37):
You're supposed to get hung up on legalese. Okay, So
I think the main problem with her is that she's
not the brightest bulb in the theater. But she's not
a stupid person. But she got ahead through being a
social justice warrior.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
Show all right, let's shift gears. I do want to
ask this before I get to Thomas and Alito and
retirement things. Why was there an injunction at all? I
thought we got rid of that with the last Supreme
Court decision.
Speaker 10 (31:09):
Well, this was an injunction against a particular executive order,
so I'm not sure it really would have fallen under
the so called universal injunction sort of problem that the
Supreme Court dealt with. It really just enjoyed the government
from implementing a particular executive order. Whether it would have
(31:32):
had a different outcome post Supreme Court decision, I don't know,
but I don't think it would have made a difference here.
Speaker 1 (31:43):
All right, shifting gears here. I love Alito, I love
Thomas as anybody with the brain does, but father time
is unfeated. Are there whispers about potential retirements. I'm not
even saying I'm trying to shove them out the door
because I love those men, but we don't want a
Democrat to replace them, and that's always a possibility. What's
(32:04):
the rumor mill saying?
Speaker 10 (32:06):
Yeah, I think there were. I'm not sure if there
are rumors or thoughts. People are expecting that one or
both of them will retire on a timing that would
allow Trump to name a replacement. That may not happen.
And the most famous case of it not happening is
Ruth Bader Ginsburg, who hung on just a little bit
(32:28):
too long and Trump got to name her replacement. And
so that's hanging over everybody. We don't want Alido or
Thomas to go Ginsburg here. But they're both seemingly in
good shape. They're certainly in good mental shape, as was Ginsburg.
There would be a real loss to the court to
lose either one of them. But they have to be
(32:51):
conscious that they don't want some future Democrat president to
name their replacement. They do not want the equivalent of
a Justice Jackson to replace them, some social justice warrior.
And those are the types of judges Biden has appointed
to the lower courts. So it's the expectation that they
(33:12):
will retire, more so than the rumor that they're making
plans to retire.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
Bill as always, I appreciate you, sir. Come back. All right,
there's an anniversary we're forgetting about. We shouldn't be. Selna Zeita,
wonderful journalist, joins us next to discuss it.
Speaker 11 (33:38):
Hang on, if you want to really see something that said,
take a look at what happened out.
Speaker 10 (34:01):
Wait.
Speaker 8 (34:02):
Wait, I know.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
Such an unbelievable moment, wasn't it. I was almost a
year ago, July thirteenth, twenty twenty four. I feel like
that moment should have lasted longer. Maybe maybe we don't
live in that society anymore. I'm not complaining. I'm not
doing the back in my day thing, but maybe there's
just too much information, too many new scandals. But I
(34:45):
really feel like that one should have lasted a little
longer in the memory bank. Joining me now, my friend,
wonderful author writer Selena Zito, wrote the book on that day.
You really should be picking up called butler. Selena. Again,
I don't want to be Grandpa Jesse, but I feel
like we do forget about some huge stories really fast.
(35:09):
Now is that a what is that a social media thing?
Speaker 7 (35:13):
Well? I pushed back on that, and you know, with
a nuanced reason, and it did last. It still lasted.
It just didn't last in the legacy media in the
way that it should have and handled properly that way.
But that left a mark on all of us. It
(35:33):
not only changed the course of that campaign. It not
only changed that man and the conversations that I've had
with him that day and days after, but it also
completely changed the America's trust in the media. What little
was left was gone immediately, and so that lived on
(35:55):
in a way that is very different than we traditionally
think things will linger in the American in our culture.
But mark my words, I mean that's part of why
this entire book was written. That has not that moment
hasn't left us, and it still hasn't.
Speaker 1 (36:15):
Selena, you said it changed the man in significant ways.
You've spent tons of time with President Trump explained.
Speaker 7 (36:23):
So the President called me the next morning. If people
people will find out when they read the book. Then
he called me the next morning. I was only four
feet away, and there was a bunch of reasons comical
and not comical that I was standing there. But he
called me the next morning, crack of dawn in the morning,
and he's like, Selena, are you okay? My daughter who
took the photo for the book cover the book, is
(36:46):
your daughter?
Speaker 8 (36:46):
Okay?
Speaker 7 (36:47):
And g I'm really sorry. We didn't do that interview,
which I thought was a little bit funny considering he'd
been shot and he was thinking about me and an interview.
But there we had some very profound conversations. He called
me seven times that day. We talked a lot, and
(37:08):
I gave him a lot of space to talk. I
didn't push him, I didn't press him. Sometimes I didn't
say anything at all, And even anybody knows me, that's
not something I usually do. I'm always talking and I
just let him work through it. And he kept saying
to me, why did I turn my head? I never
(37:28):
turned my head. Why did I bring that chart down?
And as he's having this conversation with me, he says,
was that God? And he answers his own question. He said, yeah,
that was God, and that was the hand of God,
which is what he eventually says several times, and he says,
I believe I have a different purpose now if I
(37:52):
am lucky enough to become president again, I have a
different purpose because I was saved in that moment, and
I was saved for that purpose. And I think it's
important for your listeners to know this is that people
have all these assumption as to why he said fight, fight, fight.
They think it has to do with vanity, not at all.
(38:13):
It has to do with the projection of the American presidency.
He said, in that moment, I was not Donald Trump.
I was the president. I had been the president of
the United States. I might likely be the president again.
It was incumbent on me. It was my obligation to
show strength. I could not let the country falter in
(38:34):
that moment because it could happen. People behind me could
have panied, people in front of me could have paned,
people in the country could have panicked. They needed to
know that the country had grit, that it still retained
its exceptionalism, and that we continue on. And I thought
that was not only powerful in that moment, but it
(38:55):
became sort of the resounding theme throughout that camp pain,
but also every day in this presidency. It is very
different than twenty seventeen, very very different. This is a
man who knows he was saved for a reason, and
this is a man who believes there is a purpose
that for him being saved, and he needs to live
(39:18):
up to that no matter what the political consequences are.
Speaker 1 (39:25):
Selena, you said that was the last of the American
public's trust in the media. Can you explain that. Look,
I don't need any help to hate the media anymore
than I already do. But they didn't take the shots.
What do you mean?
Speaker 7 (39:38):
So if you remember, and again we are loaded on
with tons of information, the first couple stories that came
out said that there was a disruption and there was
an incident, and then they said, then for a couple
of days it was there. He was hit by glass.
He wasn't hit by a bullet right, and and people
(40:00):
could see with their own eyes that none of that
was true. And so that right there, it was sort
of like you know, the Wizard of Oz and the
curtain was peeled back. They've already been leading up to
distrusting the media because the media kept saying that Joe
Biden was fine, it was great, and then they're saying,
(40:22):
and Donald Trump really wasn't hurt that bad, He's fine,
And it was a it was a clash of moments,
a clash of significance that no matter what the media
said after that moment, it was ultimately dismissed by the
(40:44):
American public because it was what happened was right in
front of them, and they stubbornly dug in their heels
to say it didn't.
Speaker 1 (40:52):
Happen, Selena, Why don't we know more about the shooter?
That's the part that bothers me the most. The man
carried out a successful assassination attempt of the almost Republican
nominee for president. If Donald Trump doesn't turn his head,
donald Trump is dead. That assassination attempt was planned and executed.
(41:15):
Really well, yeah, really was.
Speaker 7 (41:19):
You know the problem with Thomas Matthew Crooks is multi layered.
First of all, this young man was a loaner. Now,
there are a lot of loaners out there that leave
a ton of breadcrumbs, defined right, They leave evidence everywhere
because they take that energy of loneliness and pour it
(41:40):
into writing or things they put on social media. He
did not do that, and that was the challenge. That
is the challenge in trying to understand what happened. It
doesn't help that his parents lawyered up, so there's no
ability to question and there's no ability to press. And
(42:02):
I think you had an administration in the Biden administration
that wasn't willing to push on this incident. They just
went through the motions. Now, I suspect that's probably very
different now as I understand it. There has been vigorous
looking into it. But you know, it could also be
(42:24):
as simple as this was a kid who got mocked
and made fun of in high school for being terrible
for trying out for the rifle team, and he was
going to go show everyone that he wasn't terrible. It
could be that simple. I'm not saying it is, but
we can't discount that that might exactly be.
Speaker 8 (42:43):
What it is.
Speaker 1 (42:44):
Selina thank you so much. Go beg soon, all right,
we'll be back. All right. It is time to lighten
the mood. And I'm still I still have Independence Day
(43:06):
hanging on me. Now, maybe that's just the fireworks smell,
but it's all over me. Freedom America. These dudes know
how to do freedom. What. That's beautiful. I'll see them
(43:44):
all
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