November 23, 2024 • 43 mins
(Full Show) Not only was Donald Trump's victory a big win for Republicans, it was also a tragic loss for the mainstream media. After years of false narratives and lies, they were finally held accountable by the voter. In this special, Jesse Kelly mourns the end of the legacy press as we knew it and looks ahead to the future alongside Steve Krakauer, Breanna Morello and Matthew Peterson.
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
Let's celebrate something because this show, the theme of it
is going to be the media and how the media
is dead. The mainstream media is dead in this country,
and that is something to cheer about, to celebrate. And
let's just talk really quickly about why that is the case.
Why is the media dead?
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Why?
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Well, you know, we always talk about stress tests. People
have stress tests in their lives.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
You do, I do. Countries have stress tests.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
And what we saw repeatedly over the past few years
is the United States of America failing stress test after
stress test courtesy of the media. The media would run
to the cameras and say things like, COVID's going to
kill us all. You're not allowed to bury your mother,
your Grandma's going to die if you don't get your
tenth booster shot. Trust the science, you remember all the
(01:02):
COVID lies. And the American people, not all of us,
of course, probably not you, but the American people as
a whole.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Fell for it.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Well, okay, I better wear a mask on well, stand
six feet away from me.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
The American people fail for.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
It, and the media has done this time after time
after time after time. The Trump Russian collusion lies, the
Saint George Floyd Lies, where they all ran to the
camera and somehow promoted the very very false narrative that
black people are being hunted down and slaughtered in masks
in this country by rampaging police officers. And the country
failed then too Well, okay, I mean, I guess we
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don't need laws. We should let everyone out of jail.
Failure after failure after failure. But there was something else
happening while we were failing.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
You See, the point.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Of stress tests often is to figure out what you
need to improve on. If I decide to put myself
through a hard run, I'm gonna go run a mile
when I get home as fast as I can possibly
do it. And I get done running that my own,
I'm sucking wind. I feel like I'm about to pass out.
I checked my stop watch and I did the my
(02:07):
own about twenty minutes. Well, yes, that's a failure. That's
not good. It's failing a stress test. But what am
I What else is happening there? I failed? I failed miserably.
I'm also learning.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Wow, I gotta get back in JAPE. This isn't good enough.
I'm fat. I'm out of JAPE.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
I better improve the United States of America, after enduring
lie after lie after lie, slowly but surely decided to improve.
And what is that improvement? They decided to reject the media.
They decided that the things they see when they turn
on NBC, ABCCBSCNN, MSNBC, when they sit down and turn
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on these channels, the things they see are not bias.
They don't lean left, they're looking at outright lies. And
on the flip side, that's our side. On the flip side. See,
they got cocky because of the stress tests. You see,
they thought, hey, what if what if we tell him
(03:07):
a nasty chess cold is gonna kill a million people?
I would I wonder if they'll believe it? I wonder
can we get them to wear two masks? And they
did it, and we did, and they got cocky, and
they did stress tests after stress test, and they kept
being able to create this world of make believe and
they kept getting cocky. Soon they convinced themselves they could
do this with anything.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
And they tried so hard this election.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Do you remember, do you remember when Joe Biden a
week before the election, surprise surprise, put his foot in
his mouth and he said this.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
Just the other day, I speaker at his rally called
Puerto Rico a floating island of garbage. Well, let me
tell you something I don't. I don't know the Puerto
rican that I know or Puerto Rico where I'm in
my home state of Delaware. They're good, decent, honorable people.
The only garbage I see floating out there is your supporters.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Okay, so we all watched the video of it. Kind
of interesting.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Now the media we watched the video, remember the media scrambling,
knowing that would damage Kamala Harris's chances at winning the election.
They actually went to the TV, they went to their microphones,
and they tried to tell you what you just saw
didn't happen.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
Now, the White House says that Biden wasn't talking about
Trump's supporters.
Speaker 5 (04:27):
They even released a transcript last night where they inserted
an apostrophe in the word supporters.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
There's an apostrophe there. He's talking about his supporter, I mean,
the comedian. His comments.
Speaker 6 (04:38):
As someone who had a starter growing up, it's very
obvious to me if there's an apostrophe at the end
of supporters there. He was referring to be garbage viewed
by supporters, not simply the supporters themselves.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
So question is John's head of an apostrophe?
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Really it's a nothing murger. Joe Biden has never been
a big Arenas speaker.
Speaker 7 (04:54):
We are at a low point when it comes to
our political rhetoric, and I think we should point out
that that's been driven largely by.
Speaker 8 (05:01):
The last eight plus years of former President Trump.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
They just lie to your face because they think they can,
because they've always been able to do it, and it's worked,
and it didn't work this time, and it was fascinating.
There's a wonderful clip on CNN when they're talking about X,
which used to be Twitter.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
It's a social media thing.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Maybe you're already on it, but they're talking about X
and the American people in their trust in it, and
you can almost see it dawn on both of their
faces as they as they're.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Describing what happened.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
What they're describing is the American people are changing the
channel and they're getting their news elsewhere.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
It really gets at it. Look at this the party Ida.
Among those who regularly use X slash Twitter for news.
Back in twenty twenty two, sixty five percent of those
who regularly use Twitter slash ex for news or Democrats
just thirty one percent Republicans. Look at where we are today,
just a completely different picture. Now it's basically split between
Democrats at forty eight percent Republicans at forty seven percent.
(06:05):
And what I should note, mister Berman, is this now,
this new overall makeup matches the overall electorate far better.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
The American people failed some stress tests and they decided
to get back in shape. The mainstream media is dying,
and it's beautiful. All that hopefully made you very comfortable,
and I am right, and we have an amazing show
for you. Hang on, Remember what we were talking about
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before the election, how this was going to be a
real reveal, it was going to be a real stress
test for the country. And the stress tests, as we
described then, was this. The Kamala Harris campaign lied about everything.
They lied about every position she took, or she wouldn't
take positions. They're paying musicians to do concerts.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
It was just fake.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
It was the most fake thing I'd ever seen in
the media, was doing their standard Trump's hitler, Trump's hitler,
domes great, domes great. And what we said was it's
going to be a stress test to see if the
American people can now believe anything that if the system
just decides on whatever, that they can convince enough people
and they'll believe it. And we passed the stress test.
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We've failed many in recent years, but we passed this one.
Is this going to cause real change in the media.
Let's talk to Steve about this. Joining me now, author
of the book Uncovered and executive producer of The Megan
Kelly Show, My friend Steve Krakauer. Steve, you wrote a
piece shortly after the election talking about how the American
people rejected the media.
Speaker 6 (07:48):
What we say, Yeah, what an encouraging sign of just
how little power our gatekeepers that once had this level
of power. I called it zombie elites, These people that
had some degree of status and influence at some point,
the Washington Posts, the CNNs, the CBS News is and
(08:09):
now they're just wandering around still thinking that their elites,
not realizing that their power is dead.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
They are not trusted.
Speaker 6 (08:16):
And yes, we saw a wholesale rejection of this idea
that Trump is the spacistic dictator figure. We saw the
rejection of really all of the hyperbole, the hysteria that
we saw the American public, not just one particular group,
but pretty much every single demographic men and women, black, white,
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every the other other possible, young and old, left, right
and center. In terms of the geography of the country,
the biggest shift we saw in places like California and
New York and New Jersey and Illinois rural an urban,
massive rejection of the gatekeepers. And first and foremost there
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the corporate media, which has totally failed us for so long,
and now large percentages of the public see it, which
is great, Steve.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
The public's rejection of the media is obvious, but the
why is always the thing, And obviously there's no simple answer,
and there's no one thing.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
It was not one thing.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
But if you had to point to one or two
of the biggest things where the public finally figured out,
wait a minute, and I'm not sure if he is
a Nazi, wait a minute, that's probably a lot.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
What were the.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Things that really drain the last of the media's credibility
in this country?
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Yeah, I think there were a few major touchpoints.
Speaker 6 (09:35):
I think that the first one, which is always looming
over these last four years, is COVID. I mean, the
absolute failure not just by the media but by the scientifically,
by our government elite.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
That was a real big one because it affected people
in a.
Speaker 6 (09:47):
Very visceral way and they felt it and they continue
to feel. It's almost they don't even want to talk
about it. They're so pissed off about the people that
were in power. So I do think that that's a
big one. But if we just look at twenty twenty
four and how this year played out, I would point
to a few things. First of all, it is lawfare
was a massive failure on the part of the government
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establishment by you know, the FBI and the dj and
by the media that tried to spin us that there
was any real there there.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
It was completely rejected.
Speaker 6 (10:16):
And if the only trial that we saw was that
complete sham in New York City, that everyone who paid
any little.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
Bit of attention just saw that as a complete failure.
Speaker 6 (10:24):
A couple of two other things, the switch, the going
from Biden telling us that Biden's okay, so oh actually
he is. You know this this totally cognitive decline and
then just just snap your fingers and all of a
sudden comm with the nominee with no one voting for them.
I think that had a huge effect that I don't
think anyone really paid attention to on the left and
within the establishment. And then the third one I think
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was the assassination attempt which came right after that, where
this is a would have been and any objective, you know,
fair analysis by a media apparatus, the biggest story of
people's lifetimes it still is. I mean, I hope that
when the Trump administration takes in there we can actually
get to the bottom of what happened that day.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
This is an enormous story that we watched play out.
Speaker 6 (11:07):
There's great video, all reasons are there, and they buried
that thing because it was bad for them politically, and
I think people paid attention to that and said, wow,
first of all, amazing that he got up there and
shout at fight, fight Fight. That was a huge moment
for you know, politically and culturally. But also, why are
these people not covering this huge story? They must not
be like, you know, real good faith actors.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Yeah, no doubt about it.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Steve Trump did a ton of independent media, and I
realized Megan Kelly is not exactly independent because she's freaking
a company unto herself.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
But he did Megan Kelly.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
He was on every single podcast that was out there,
ones that you know, my dad, God rest his soul,
would never have heard of before.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
But Trump's doing them all. He is sitting down with
theo Von.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
We now find out he's going to be credentialing a
lot of these online influencers at such a dumb word
to sit in the press briefing room. Is this contribut
to the end of the mainstream media people were just
they've moved on. They've been lied to so much they
don't turn on NBC at night to get the headlines anymore.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 6 (12:11):
I think so, because it's not just that these people
are you know now they're on podcasts and on YouTube,
and that they once were in traditional outlets. It's a
totally different reframing of how media and how news and
information is consumed. There's there's an intimacy to podcasts in YouTube,
and it's not looking like Joe Rogan obviously, you know.
But a lot of has been made of Trump's appearance
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on Rogan, which I thought he did extremely well on
and obviously eventually led to a Joe Rogan endorsement in
that in that last final day before the election, which
who knows. I think that it had certainly some effect
on it. But Joe Rogan doesn't call what he does
an interview. He calls it a conversation. You got to
see Donald Trump in a way that you don't normally
see it. It felt personal and authentic. Now we know
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Kamala Harris couldn't do it. She didn't chose not to
do it because she is not able to be authentic.
There is no Kamala Harris is there. In fact, if anything,
she's almost thrived in more contentious settings. She was better
on Fox News with Brett Behar than she was with
Stephen Colbert. I mean, because she just cannot be herself.
But when you have someone like Donald Trump who knows
how to be themselves, he can go on Andrew Schultz
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like a comedian. He can go on Theo Vaughn, on
Joe Rogan, and he can move the needle. Because yes,
that is how people in all walks of life, particularly
young people, particularly young men, but all people now are
starting to adapt to this new way of consuming information
that is very different. And you know, the gatekeeper is
the old establishment, the crusty, old legacy press. They just
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don't aren't relevant anymore.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
Steve isn't a location problem for some of these people.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
I've long had this theory.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
I mean, it sounds a little bit ham fisted, but
where you live actually matters. And if you live, work
and worship in Washington, DC, or New York City or
one of these blue areas and you live that Ivory
Tower kind of life, great job, great college grade, all this,
and that that you simply you have no idea how
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out of touch you are. You have no idea how
normal Americans view you, and you end up talking down
to them.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Is that a problem for a lot of these people.
Speaker 6 (14:16):
I think is the biggest problem. You know, Jesse, you
and I are in Texas. But I was someone who
for most of my life about until about ten years ago,
lived in New York and New Jersey and was part
of these same you know, New York newsrooms. And it
took me getting out of that to really open my
eyes to what I was missing. And frankly, I think
geographic bias is a much more pernicious bias than political bias.
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A lot of these media outlets lean left, and you
can lean left and try to be fair, but if
you're someone who does not anchor your life in a
reality that most of America actually lives, in which I
think we want to talk about missing the story. People
miss the story that we're not as divided as they
were trying to make us have to be. Donald Trump,
there is no One of the things that people get
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wrong is that people think that you either love Donald
Trump or you hate Donald Trump.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
There's a lot of people that love Donald Trump. There's
a lot of people that hate Donald Trump.
Speaker 6 (15:05):
But there's a lot of people that just have mixed
feelings about him, don't really spend their life thinking about him.
Those people decided in twenty twenty four to vote for
him in large numbers, and that blew the corporate media's mind.
The people that spend their life in green rooms in
DC and in New York who have no idea that
there are people like that out there. So yes, I
think that they are totally missing the story about what's
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actually happening on the ground, not just in politics, but
in culture, in how people just live their daily lives
by just being so isolated in their own little bubbles.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
Steve MSNBC, Ah, we're gonna sell it, CNN, and we're
gonna lay off a bunch of top talent. Now, a
lot of people are convincing themselves that this is going
to be some sort of a right wing shift.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
I've moved to the center's shift.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
But these organizations have all tried this stuff before, and
the revolt from the communists inside the building is so
bad it fails every time.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Why is this time going to be any different? I
really don't think it is, you know.
Speaker 6 (16:02):
I was after twenty sixteen and Jesse I put together
a little proposal and I said, you know, I'm going
to call in all my favors. I went to CNN
the bosses there and CBS and ABC, even Fox News,
which you know spends a lot of their time up
in New York as well, and I said, people missed
the story Donald Trump want and no one thought he could.
Let's kind of, you know, maybe have some interest in
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learning about why that happened. And there was a little
bit of interest, you know, if you watch those channels.
There was maybe three months where they said, oh, let's
let's talk to some Trump voters and figure out why
they supported him. And then within three months it was gone.
So what happens this time, Maybe there's four or five months,
maybe six months, they're going to go right back to it.
These people are incapable of actually having introspection and humility
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being humble. If you are not able to be humble,
you will never be able to adjust and change for
the better, I would say, but change it all, you're
just going to continue doing what you're doing and continue
to be failing, which is what we've seen them do.
So no, I am not hopeful that they will make
the sort of necessary adjustments to regain the kind of
trust that is completely eroded over these last eight to
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ten years. But you know, they're going to talk a
good game for a couple of months, and then they're
going to go right back to not just hating Donald Trump,
but hating half the country, more than half the country
that ended up voting for him.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Yeah, that's why I stay so humble. Steve, thank you
so much, my friend. I appreciate you as always. We'll
be back. You know, we talk about the mainstream media
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and how they've done us wrong and sold a salve
automatically what pops into your head. CNN is probably a
big one, NBC, ABC and all that stuff's fair, and
we were on they're very, very evil. But we don't
really talk enough about the leftward lurch of Fox News
and I'm not here to indict everybody at Fox News.
I still have friends who were hosts at Fox News.
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But the organization itself, they are moving left, and they're
moving left quickly, and there's a lot behind that. Somebody
who knows a little bit about that is joining us now.
My friend hosted the Brianna Morello Show, Brianna Morello. Brianna,
you didn't always have the Brianna Morello Show at one
point in time. In fact, when we met, you worked
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at Fox News. Why aren't you there anymore?
Speaker 5 (18:28):
Well, isn't that interesting? Jesse? Yeah, we met actually when
I was working at Fox and then all of a
sudden I was kind of forced out of the company
because I refused to get the COVID jab and so
off I went. But it's not really a surprise. I
was working there in twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen, left for
a few years to work somewhere else, and then I
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came back and the person who was bringing me on
board was working for human resources, actually had their pronouns
and their email signature, and I thought, well, that's kind
of strange. It doesn't seem what the place you work
out if you wanted to include your pronouns. And then
before I knew it wasn't that that was strange, that
was the norm. And I was the one who was
now the I a strange one for even questioning that stuff.
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So Fox has completely shifted. When I first came out
and started talking about it, people were like, well, Tucker's there.
And then as soon as Tucker was as people were
likely Breanna, something might be going on over at Fox News.
And it was true. There was a lot going on
over at Fox.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
There was a lot going on over there at Fox.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
And yes, this is kind of one of those things
that you and I kind of we would know about
before everyone else did. The Tucker thing was the big
title wave that woke everybody up. But I've tried to
explain to people when friends of mine asked me, Hey,
what's going on?
Speaker 2 (19:45):
What's going on?
Speaker 1 (19:46):
There's new management at the top. The Fox News of
today is not the Fox News of nineteen ninety five
you used to watch, and that Fox.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
News is gone.
Speaker 5 (19:55):
Yeah, Yeah, it's really sad. I mean, I when I
first started there was easy for me to poke around
and kind of have just discussions with the top executives
over at Fox. They were very welcoming, and they were
very excited to talk to someone who was entry level,
just beginning off my career. And then it got kind
of weird. Those those executives, those producers that I once
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knew weren't there anymore, and the ones that were remaining
were very quiet about their political beliefs, and I didn't
understand it. Like, for an example, when I got the
email in regards to the vaccine issue, I called an
executive up and I had a conversation with him on
the phone, and I just naturally started crying because I
always wanted to work for Fox, and I knew that
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this was the red line that was going to get
me tossed because I knew in my head I wasn't
going to apply by filing an exemption or you know,
just kind of going along with it and being put
unpaid leave. I was going to go out and fight,
and so I was really upset that I knew this
was my way out. And one of the executives was
trying to well, I agree with you, Brietna. I agree
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with you, Brianna, but if you want to work here,
we all have to do it. He's like, I'm unvaccinated,
He's like, we're just going to deal with it. And
those are the people who are still there. They're the
ones who just kind of comply and don't really speak
up for themselves, and anyone else who does speak up
for themselves is gone. I mean, I was friendly with
a lot of individuals over at Fox who did leave.
They left quietly because they're like, well, we might want
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a job down the line, we might want to return,
and so they thought it was safe just to kind
of be quiet about it and leave quietly. I don't
think that's the best way to handle it. And it's
also worth noting too, there was a Foyer request that
was done by The Blaze a couple of years ago,
and it added all of the big outlets that took
money from HHS to push the vaccines onto the American people.
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Now we don't know the exact dollar amount, but over
one hundred million dollars who's advocated through legislation to go
to the media. But ultimately Fox was on that list
of media outlets that took that money to promote the jabs.
And I've reported it constantly. I mean, I was there
when certain interviews were edited where if you criticize the
vaccines or told people maybe just hold up forgetting it
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because you don't know the long term effects of all
of this. You actually got that interview the complete if
it was a pre tape deleted or that little clip
was cut out. Peter Navarro was the victim of that
when we had him one of the shows that I
booked for, and so just time and time again, it
was just a reminder that this wasn't the company that
I agreed to work for.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
A freak. It sucks.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Okay, well, now you have a show in fact, people
can watch you right here on the first How did
you get a show to watch us through this whole journey.
Speaker 5 (22:37):
Well, it's been quite interesting, right, So I've been going
through the process. I'm doing my own digging and doing
my own stories, and I just figured why not just
do this every single day? That would be fun, right,
So we started this show. It's a one hour show
every single day, and it's also featured on the First
TV on the weekends at seven pm Eastern Time. On Saturdays,
we kick it off and it's great. It's got all
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these people who were kind enough that I've known through
my Fox years. They're joining me. We have all these discussions.
I even do exclusive stories. You know, I was the
reporter who broke that story about Chelsea Gabbert being added
to a terror watchless heads up Fox News how that
story before I did. They refused to run it. They
didn't run it before I did. And I know this
because they verified it with my sources and they just
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decided how to run it. So that's the reason why
people tune into shows like mine, because we don't censor things.
I publish everything that I've made aware of that I
could prove is real, and the corporate media refused to
do that. So that's the alternative that you have these days.
You have the independent world or we're not afraid to
publish the truth, and then you have the corporate media world.
That's the reason why you guys want to tune in
every single day at seven pm Eastern time?
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Is that why people are tuning out? Is that why
they're there? They've moved on from this mainstream media thing.
The numbers are amazing.
Speaker 5 (23:49):
Isn't it crazy? I think one thousand percent? Right, we're
listening to the incoming administration say that they're going to
be open to giving podcasters and influencers potentially press credentials
to cover the White House, and I think it's because
they see the value in all of this. You know,
if we just had the corporate media coverage on President Trump,
he wouldn't have made his way back into the White House.
(24:10):
I think Americans are tuning out the cable world. They
know that the cable world is garbage. They lie, they
continue to lie. You know, I was just listening to
ABC News talk about Lakelann Riley and the conviction that
just came in for Lake for the person who did
murder the Legalalen who didn't murder Lakeland Riley, and they
made it seem political. They actually pinned it against President
President Donald Trump, saying that President Trump is the reason
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why there's so much toxic coverage in all this this situation,
rather than the people who let him in. I think
Americans see things like that, They've had enough, they're tapping out,
They're turning to independent outlets to tell them the truth.
And that's exactly what the rest of us are doing.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Brianna elon Musk, I'm very standoffish with really everybody, especially
politicians and billionaires and celebrities on the cynic by nature,
as you know, and so I don't worship anybody, Yeah,
but I'm impressed at this point in time, I was
very very cautious and I'm still cautious. But at this point,
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how do we not acknowledge that his purchase of Twitter,
which he then called X, which is still weird, but
his purchase of Twitter and giving people a platform there.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
It has been huge.
Speaker 5 (25:16):
He has been great for free speech, It really has been.
I mean, as an independent journalist, I am making great
money from X and I'm very thankful for that. I mean,
if it wasn't for Elon Musk, I'd be very eliminated
with the platforms like a broadcast on because of many
of you guys know at home, places like YouTube and
other platforms do censor and do as people who are
covering certain topics that are controversial. So the fact that
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Elon Musk purchase Twitter and is coming out saying, you know,
I'm going to allow these independent journalists to do whatever
they want to do, cover whatever they want to do,
and I'm not stepping in. It's really really important. You know,
we are in a fight between good and evil, and
if this latest election doesn't highlight that, I don't know
what else will for the American people. I mean, we
need all of the superheroes we can get. Right now,
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Elon Musk has become the rights George Sorows and he's
funding things that are really really important. It's not even
that he's political at this point. He's a common sense
kind of person and it has somehow made him a
popular figure on the right. And it's strange, but I
think it's what's waking up so many people because Elon Musk,
keep in mind, used to actually donate to the ACLU,
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and he was a big donor for them. Now all
of a sudden, he's woken up to realize the ACLU
doesn't actually support what it pretends to support, and he's
fighting and he's putting his own money where his mouth is.
The purchase of Twitter was actually massive, and I don't
know if we understand that fully yet. But I don't
think if Elon Musk didn't purchase Twitter and didn't push
for free speech like he did, if President Trump would
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have gotten his way back into the White House.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
How do we handle our responsibility going forward? I'll tell
you I try to be extremely careful about things. I've
made a mistake here and there, but not running things
not running with things that I can't verify are true.
I get the impression we should be careful with the
power we've been given now because just like the mainstream media,
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people will move on if we abuse it.
Speaker 5 (27:13):
Yeah. Yeah, well, I constantly will not publish a story
if I cannot prove it to be factually true. There's
a lot of defamation lawsuits that you have to be
cautious of. But you also don't want to discredit yourself.
As independent journalists, your income usually comes directly from your audience,
and so you don't want to abuse that trust because
once you do, they could just pull all their money
and then you'd have nothing. You wouldn't have a job,
and I think that's really important for folks to understand.
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So I'm constantly calling people, asking the uncomfortable questions and
vetting things. I get tips all the time. A lot
of those tips, I would say about probably eighty percent
of them don't really hold much in the way of
truth or you can't verify them, so you can't run them,
and you can't be afraid to do that. There's a
lot of ways to verify tips, and I've learned that
throughout my career as journalists. But for those of you
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at home, there's a lot of people also, and I
don't support all independent journalists because some of them aren't
actual journalists. I don't vet things. I'll hear something and
then they'll publish it online is if it's actually true.
I don't do that because I fear being sued for defamation.
That's a massive, massive legal flight to take up, and
so you have to be cautious. So I think the
rest of us should be okay with not publishing everything
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that we hear or see it first, because you don't
want to be on the wrong side of things. But
making phone calls, reaching out to both parties for comment
is the best way to avoid any of that because
once you give both sides the opportunity to tell you
if it's true or false, you could kind of make
your own make your own way from that, and that's
what I've always done. So I think that's really really
important for folks to understand follow journalists who actually reach
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out for comment.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
I've got a.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
Tip for you and everybody else, although you don't have
to reach out for comment. The pepperoni puffs that Little
Caesar's are unbelievable. It's one of the best kept secrets
in the country right now, and I highly recommend you
try them today today.
Speaker 5 (28:54):
If you can't, Rihanna, well, RFK might shut it down soon.
And I'm pretty sure Caesars isn't probably the best for us,
and so everyone should go out there and grab them now.
I'm a big fan of their stuff. Crust pizza. There's
something in there. It might be crack, but there's something
in it.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
Gosh, it's so freaking good. Now I'm starving. I'm gonna
let you go. I need to go eat.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
Brianna Morello, host of The Brionna Morello Show, thank you.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
I need to go eat some Pepperoni puffs and then
we'll talk to Matthew Peterson from The Blaze next. We
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have incredible options today, and I love that the mainstream
media hates it, but you me, we have options on
things we watch, things we can listen to. And while
I love the First, I'm a fan of others too,
big fan. Daily Wire does incredible stuff. The Blaze. I
just love The Blaze. I'm so impressed by the things
they do with The Blaze, And in fact, I want
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to talk to Matthew Peterson about that.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
He is the editor in chief of The Blaze.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
Matthew, you guys have something kind of big going on
right now, and it looks freaking cool. The man in
me is already in love with it. But I'm going
to hand it to you. You'll let you make the
pitch for it.
Speaker 7 (30:18):
Yeah. Well, look, I mean we're in this unique environment
right now where everyone's realizing what a lot of us
have said for years, which is that there's really no
value left anymore in mainstream media. On the other hand,
as good as these new outfits are, like what you're doing,
like what Daily Wire is doing, like what we're doing.
You know, look, what we're doing is good because it's
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new when we're trying to do something different, not because
we're doing the same thing the right has done, which
is generally sucked for a long time, as we all know.
So I don't know how many times I'm just so
excited to be part of this.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
I'm lucky.
Speaker 7 (30:50):
I don't know how many times I've talked to people
over the last twenty years really about creating a conservative,
you know, a right leaning or just non borg magazine,
and that just did all the things that had profiles
talked about, not politics, but like life, what's.
Speaker 8 (31:05):
Going on out there?
Speaker 7 (31:06):
Right, interesting descriptive stuff that's not just someone pontificating, no
op eds, no white papers, right, but just really interesting
content that grabs you and.
Speaker 8 (31:16):
In a in a beautiful format.
Speaker 7 (31:18):
And so we we created Frontier and you know, after
the election, we're all living in a new Frontier. I
couldn't be pleased that we started before then. And this
is the kind of thing that you can pick up
and read. And you know, I did an interview with
Glenn Beck in this for instance, and not not Glenn
Beck the media figure, you know, but Glenn Beck, the
guy who spends a lot of time saving American artifacts,
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right and is very concerned with American history and what
he does with that. Matt Tayebi wrote for us about
what it was like to walk into Elon's uh you know,
uh office, and and going too the Twitter Twitter offices
and create the Twitter files with Barry Wise and Michael Schellenberg.
You have reviews of whiskey restaurants. Uh, you know, the
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kind of normal stuff that just represents a holistic vision
of media. And so you know, this is a work
in progress, but zero to one we got this out
of the bag, and I think it hits the mark,
and I think if you check it out, you'll agree.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
I haven't gotten my hands on a physical copy of
one yet, and I'm gonna freaking nerd out on it.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
I like it.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
I'm a magazine guy, Matthew.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
Maybe I'm an old school guy. I'm a magazine guy.
I dig it. I'm totally in on it. Anyway, I'm back,
all right. So let's what's that. They're coming back.
Speaker 8 (32:30):
People want the physical thing again, you know they are.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
You know, physical books are coming back to I don't
know why we're going off on this, but now that
we're on it, I'm on it too. I used to
be and I still am when I travel a kindle guy,
right because you have all your stuff right there. But
me and my sons, you know, my boys are fifteen
and sixteen. My sons prefer physical books.
Speaker 4 (32:51):
Now.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
Really, I don't know what that is. Maybe there's something
cave Man and all of us. I don't know what
that is, but I like having a physical copy of something.
Speaker 7 (33:01):
Yeah, I think I think there's a snapback or a
correction to go back, not to get rid of everything digital,
but to grab onto things that are meaningful and physical.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
Yeah, all right, let's talk about the rise of the
independent media, and more specifically, let's talk about the rejection
of the mainstream media, because it was this last election, honestly,
as much as anything, it was a rejection of the
media that told everybody Trump's hitler forever, over and over
and over again, and then he goes out and wins
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the popular vote. What that is is the American people saying,
we don't believe you anymore.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
But what was it?
Speaker 1 (33:38):
And I know it was a series of things over
a long period of time, but if you had to
point to one or two things that were the thing
where the American people finally were all, you know, I'm
not listening anymore.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
What was it?
Speaker 7 (33:51):
So I would actually go back to the start, because
I think we can talk about the end, but I
think the beginning, right is when they really they really
themselves a whole.
Speaker 8 (34:01):
I would go right back to the.
Speaker 7 (34:03):
Russian collusion narrative from the very beginning, because they grabbed
onto that and did not let go. That was the
first big thing. Of course, they've been lying about stuff
for decades. When it came for Trump, came for Trump,
something was different and they grabbed onto this, this lie
that came from the government and major institutions and Obama
and friends on the way out, and they did not
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let go. And I remember thinking at the time, you know,
it's almost as if they have this spear and they're
coming to you know, just spear Trump with it, and
he grabs it and they won't let go of it.
So he uses the fact they won't let go of
it to turn it around and drive it through them.
And He's done this repeatedly. This has happened to them repeatedly.
They grabbed onto collusion, they wouldn't let it go. They
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were unrepentant. And then when you go through COVID, of course,
you know that's that's an enormous one that still people
are bleeding off of that one where they spout a
bunch of ridiculous stuff for political reasons, won't let go.
People's lives are impacted. I don't think there was a
tipping point of these things. I think it started with
them just just going in a one hundred percent way
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novack sies no back down against Trump, and those compounded
over time, and then I think what actually popped the balloon,
Jesse was when you saw what happened to the guy
on that faithful day this summer, right when when people
just saw the visuals of the assassination attempt and him
stand up and what his initial response was, and there
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was something viseral about that moment that just stuck with people.
Speaker 8 (35:32):
You know, they saw.
Speaker 7 (35:33):
This media aligned to them over time or they started
to become more unsure of it, and then you see
the guy and what he did in a world historical
moment that can't be faked.
Speaker 8 (35:42):
And I think it was over at that.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Point, Matthew.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
When we talk about how the how the media won't
back off, like you just mentioned, how they don't back off,
they just keep going of something small as they keep going.
The lack of humility I find fascinating. And obviously I'm
not pretend like I'm a humble person. Nobody, nobody watching
thinks that at all. So I'm not gonna act like
I'm some found of humility here. But I've had several
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things that I've screwed up in my life and periods
of my life that I've bottomed down, and they've been
my fault, and I've been able to look at myself
in the mirror and say, man, that's on you.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
You gotta you gotta get it cleaned up.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
You're you're drinking too much, You're you're not working out,
You're you're doing these things.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
No one in the media can do that.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
Nobody in the media can look in the mirror and say, hey,
maybe the lies without end, maybe we should back off
that that no one can.
Speaker 7 (36:35):
Uh no, you're right, they can't, because you know, the
rest of us can look in the mirror and self
reflect and.
Speaker 8 (36:41):
These people, maybe some of them as individuals can, but.
Speaker 7 (36:43):
There it's because their job, right, their job is not
to tell the truth. They're you know, you know how
I knew that Biden was going to have to step
aside because the New York Times came out and said so.
Speaker 8 (36:56):
Not because the New York Times is so powerful, but
because they.
Speaker 7 (36:59):
Would ever speak truth to actual power. They would never
get out in front of power. That's not their job.
Their job is to be the mouthpiece for power. So
you knew when they came out and said Biden should
step down. It wasn't a brave stand. There was a
powerful force that was behind this, and they were the
mouthpiece of it. So they're mouthpieces. They're like they're like PR.
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They're like salesmen. They're paid to go out and say
what they're going to say, and it's almost it's degrading
to the human person, you know, and Tucker talks about this,
he's right. To actually have to do this every day
and get paid to lie is just a disgraceful thing.
And I'm sure some of these people are like tortured.
Some of them are beyond you know, they don't even
care anymore. But it's not their job right to be humble,
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because they're not wrong in their mind. Their job is
to go out and say what they're supposed to say.
And at this point it's so obvious, right, it's bad PR,
it's bad sales, and that's why it's not working.
Speaker 1 (37:57):
Matthew, I want to go back to something you were
talking about about Glenn Beck in his preservation of History.
It's funny the last time I actually sat down with Glenn,
he had to pause our interview for a couple of
minutes because he was doing exactly that. It was a painting,
something to do with Washington. I forget exactly what it was,
but he was emphatic that he had to buy this
to save it. And you actually recently sat down with
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him and talked about how the people who write history
don't always do so accurately.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
Talk about that.
Speaker 7 (38:26):
Yeah, so, I mean, just first off, in case anyone's
been living under a rock, right, I mean, they need
to realize that this is what we've done in our
schools for a long time.
Speaker 8 (38:35):
We have sold a version of history in which we
lie about ourselves.
Speaker 7 (38:38):
It's one of the most bizarre things you can imagine
human civilization, But we've lied about ourselves, saying that we
are bad, we are intrinsically evil in some ways a nation.
Speaker 8 (38:46):
We've done that systematically.
Speaker 7 (38:48):
I mean, Howard Zinn's history books is common history books
were selling like hotcakes decades ago, and that influenced the
entire nation.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
So what you have now is.
Speaker 8 (38:57):
Precisely what we've seen in the last couple of years.
Speaker 2 (38:59):
This comes to fruition.
Speaker 7 (39:00):
People actually want to rip down physical manifestations of American
history and heroes. They want to take statues down and
melt them down and destroy the physical right remnants of
our actual history. And I think what Glenn recognizes and
really has pointed out to me in ways that I've
really learned from is just how story is so important
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right to memory and to describe who you are now
in the present. And the story for in history comes
from actual physical artifacts, right, you know, the actual copy
of the Federal's papers you can touch, or George Washington's
compass which.
Speaker 8 (39:38):
He has at the museum.
Speaker 7 (39:40):
And what they want to do is get rid of that,
so they really put it in the memory hole. And
you know, he tells a story about about one of
the bells of the Santa Maria and at an auction
a guy tries to buy it and the seller he
wins the auction, and he tries to actually take possession.
Speaker 8 (39:55):
Of the bell, and he's the guy selling it says,
what are you doing with this?
Speaker 7 (39:58):
He says, oh, I'm going to melt it down because
that represents colonialism, and I'm going to melt it down
and put him in some postmodern architecture.
Speaker 8 (40:04):
And the guy refused to sell it to him. I mean,
they're going back to erase it.
Speaker 7 (40:08):
So saving it, right means saving actual physical things representations
of the past that tell our story. And you know,
I think this is a really noble thing that Glenn
is doing here that more people should know about.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
Yeah, I do too.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
I should note I don't want to brag I've actually
held that compass. I stood right there with Glenn and
I held George Washington's compass and it was six.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
It's one of the coolest things ever.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
All Right, Matthew, one more time, I want you to tell.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
Us Frontier magazine. How do I get my hands on it?
Speaker 7 (40:37):
You want to go to the Blaze dot com slash
Frontier the Blaze slash Frontier. If you get there, you're
gonna find a few articles are free, but most of them,
you know, won't be released to the public.
Speaker 8 (40:50):
It's a print only sort of thing.
Speaker 7 (40:53):
If you're a subscriber, you can also see it on digital,
but we're not releasing all those articles to everyone. This
is a very special Sick quarterly you can put on
your coffee table and everyone will know that you and
it are awesome.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
I dig it.
Speaker 1 (41:09):
I'm so in Matthew. Thank you, brother, I appreciate you.
All Right, we have final thoughts next. Now let's finish
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this with some final thoughts on the mainstream media, because
you and I actually still have a role to play here.
Speaker 2 (41:39):
The mainstream media is not dead. It is dying. As
we just talked about. We laid out all the reasons.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
But it is not dead yet, and so there may
be opportunities for you to help them out, or should
I should say, to not.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
Hurt them anymore? Maybe your maybe.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
Your brother comes over and he says, some think about
something you saw on CNN.
Speaker 2 (42:03):
It is important for you and I to.
Speaker 1 (42:05):
Keep up the pressure and make sure every person in
the United States of America knows CNN is an evil
news network that lies about everything.
Speaker 2 (42:14):
So tell your brother that essentially the mainstream.
Speaker 1 (42:17):
Media they're in the middle of the pool and they're drowning,
and they're asking for help. Every single chance you get,
toss them a cinder block to ensure they sink to
the bottom of the pool. It could not possibly happen
to a more evil entity than the American media. I've
watched the American media and the things they've done. I've
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watched it kill people in this country. I've watched them
cause race riots. I've watched them lie after lie after lie.
Speaker 2 (42:45):
Don't have an ounce of sympathy for these people.
Speaker 1 (42:48):
Finish them off, Change the channel and tell your liberal
aunt Peggy everything she believes is a lie.
Speaker 2 (42:55):
All right, all right, we'll do it again.
Let's celebrate something because this show, the theme of it
is going to be the media and how the media
is dead. The mainstream media is dead in this country,
and that is something to cheer about, to celebrate. And
let's just talk really quickly about why that is the case.
Why is the media dead?
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Why?
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Well, you know, we always talk about stress tests. People
have stress tests in their lives.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
You do, I do. Countries have stress tests.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
And what we saw repeatedly over the past few years
is the United States of America failing stress test after
stress test courtesy of the media. The media would run
to the cameras and say things like, COVID's going to
kill us all. You're not allowed to bury your mother,
your Grandma's going to die if you don't get your
tenth booster shot. Trust the science, you remember all the
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COVID lies. And the American people, not all of us,
of course, probably not you, but the American people as
a whole.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Fell for it.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Well, okay, I better wear a mask on well, stand
six feet away from me.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
The American people fail for.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
It, and the media has done this time after time
after time after time. The Trump Russian collusion lies, the
Saint George Floyd Lies, where they all ran to the
camera and somehow promoted the very very false narrative that
black people are being hunted down and slaughtered in masks
in this country by rampaging police officers. And the country
failed then too Well, okay, I mean, I guess we
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don't need laws. We should let everyone out of jail.
Failure after failure after failure. But there was something else
happening while we were failing.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
You See, the point.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Of stress tests often is to figure out what you
need to improve on. If I decide to put myself
through a hard run, I'm gonna go run a mile
when I get home as fast as I can possibly
do it. And I get done running that my own,
I'm sucking wind. I feel like I'm about to pass out.
I checked my stop watch and I did the my
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own about twenty minutes. Well, yes, that's a failure. That's
not good. It's failing a stress test. But what am
I What else is happening there? I failed? I failed miserably.
I'm also learning.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Wow, I gotta get back in JAPE. This isn't good enough.
I'm fat. I'm out of JAPE.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
I better improve the United States of America, after enduring
lie after lie after lie, slowly but surely decided to improve.
And what is that improvement? They decided to reject the media.
They decided that the things they see when they turn
on NBC, ABCCBSCNN, MSNBC, when they sit down and turn
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on these channels, the things they see are not bias.
They don't lean left, they're looking at outright lies. And
on the flip side, that's our side. On the flip side. See,
they got cocky because of the stress tests. You see,
they thought, hey, what if what if we tell him
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a nasty chess cold is gonna kill a million people?
I would I wonder if they'll believe it? I wonder
can we get them to wear two masks? And they
did it, and we did, and they got cocky, and
they did stress tests after stress test, and they kept
being able to create this world of make believe and
they kept getting cocky. Soon they convinced themselves they could
do this with anything.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
And they tried so hard this election.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
Do you remember, do you remember when Joe Biden a
week before the election, surprise surprise, put his foot in
his mouth and he said this.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
Just the other day, I speaker at his rally called
Puerto Rico a floating island of garbage. Well, let me
tell you something I don't. I don't know the Puerto
rican that I know or Puerto Rico where I'm in
my home state of Delaware. They're good, decent, honorable people.
The only garbage I see floating out there is your supporters.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
Okay, so we all watched the video of it. Kind
of interesting.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Now the media we watched the video, remember the media scrambling,
knowing that would damage Kamala Harris's chances at winning the election.
They actually went to the TV, they went to their microphones,
and they tried to tell you what you just saw
didn't happen.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
Now, the White House says that Biden wasn't talking about
Trump's supporters.
Speaker 5 (04:27):
They even released a transcript last night where they inserted
an apostrophe in the word supporters.
Speaker 2 (04:34):
There's an apostrophe there. He's talking about his supporter, I mean,
the comedian. His comments.
Speaker 6 (04:38):
As someone who had a starter growing up, it's very
obvious to me if there's an apostrophe at the end
of supporters there. He was referring to be garbage viewed
by supporters, not simply the supporters themselves.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
So question is John's head of an apostrophe?
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Really it's a nothing murger. Joe Biden has never been
a big Arenas speaker.
Speaker 7 (04:54):
We are at a low point when it comes to
our political rhetoric, and I think we should point out
that that's been driven largely by.
Speaker 8 (05:01):
The last eight plus years of former President Trump.
Speaker 1 (05:08):
They just lie to your face because they think they can,
because they've always been able to do it, and it's worked,
and it didn't work this time, and it was fascinating.
There's a wonderful clip on CNN when they're talking about X,
which used to be Twitter.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
It's a social media thing.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Maybe you're already on it, but they're talking about X
and the American people in their trust in it, and
you can almost see it dawn on both of their
faces as they as they're.
Speaker 2 (05:32):
Describing what happened.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
What they're describing is the American people are changing the
channel and they're getting their news elsewhere.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
It really gets at it. Look at this the party Ida.
Among those who regularly use X slash Twitter for news.
Back in twenty twenty two, sixty five percent of those
who regularly use Twitter slash ex for news or Democrats
just thirty one percent Republicans. Look at where we are today,
just a completely different picture. Now it's basically split between
Democrats at forty eight percent Republicans at forty seven percent.
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And what I should note, mister Berman, is this now,
this new overall makeup matches the overall electorate far better.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
The American people failed some stress tests and they decided
to get back in shape. The mainstream media is dying,
and it's beautiful. All that hopefully made you very comfortable,
and I am right, and we have an amazing show
for you. Hang on, Remember what we were talking about
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before the election, how this was going to be a
real reveal, it was going to be a real stress
test for the country. And the stress tests, as we
described then, was this. The Kamala Harris campaign lied about everything.
They lied about every position she took, or she wouldn't
take positions. They're paying musicians to do concerts.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
It was just fake.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
It was the most fake thing I'd ever seen in
the media, was doing their standard Trump's hitler, Trump's hitler,
domes great, domes great. And what we said was it's
going to be a stress test to see if the
American people can now believe anything that if the system
just decides on whatever, that they can convince enough people
and they'll believe it. And we passed the stress test.
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We've failed many in recent years, but we passed this one.
Is this going to cause real change in the media.
Let's talk to Steve about this. Joining me now, author
of the book Uncovered and executive producer of The Megan
Kelly Show, My friend Steve Krakauer. Steve, you wrote a
piece shortly after the election talking about how the American
people rejected the media.
Speaker 6 (07:48):
What we say, Yeah, what an encouraging sign of just
how little power our gatekeepers that once had this level
of power. I called it zombie elites, These people that
had some degree of status and influence at some point,
the Washington Posts, the CNNs, the CBS News is and
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now they're just wandering around still thinking that their elites,
not realizing that their power is dead.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
They are not trusted.
Speaker 6 (08:16):
And yes, we saw a wholesale rejection of this idea
that Trump is the spacistic dictator figure. We saw the
rejection of really all of the hyperbole, the hysteria that
we saw the American public, not just one particular group,
but pretty much every single demographic men and women, black, white,
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every the other other possible, young and old, left, right
and center. In terms of the geography of the country,
the biggest shift we saw in places like California and
New York and New Jersey and Illinois rural an urban,
massive rejection of the gatekeepers. And first and foremost there
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the corporate media, which has totally failed us for so long,
and now large percentages of the public see it, which
is great, Steve.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
The public's rejection of the media is obvious, but the
why is always the thing, And obviously there's no simple answer,
and there's no one thing.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
It was not one thing.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
But if you had to point to one or two
of the biggest things where the public finally figured out,
wait a minute, and I'm not sure if he is
a Nazi, wait a minute, that's probably a lot.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
What were the.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Things that really drain the last of the media's credibility
in this country?
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Yeah, I think there were a few major touchpoints.
Speaker 6 (09:35):
I think that the first one, which is always looming
over these last four years, is COVID. I mean, the
absolute failure not just by the media but by the scientifically,
by our government elite.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
That was a real big one because it affected people
in a.
Speaker 6 (09:47):
Very visceral way and they felt it and they continue
to feel. It's almost they don't even want to talk
about it. They're so pissed off about the people that
were in power. So I do think that that's a
big one. But if we just look at twenty twenty
four and how this year played out, I would point
to a few things. First of all, it is lawfare
was a massive failure on the part of the government
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establishment by you know, the FBI and the dj and
by the media that tried to spin us that there
was any real there there.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
It was completely rejected.
Speaker 6 (10:16):
And if the only trial that we saw was that
complete sham in New York City, that everyone who paid
any little.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
Bit of attention just saw that as a complete failure.
Speaker 6 (10:24):
A couple of two other things, the switch, the going
from Biden telling us that Biden's okay, so oh actually
he is. You know this this totally cognitive decline and
then just just snap your fingers and all of a
sudden comm with the nominee with no one voting for them.
I think that had a huge effect that I don't
think anyone really paid attention to on the left and
within the establishment. And then the third one I think
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was the assassination attempt which came right after that, where
this is a would have been and any objective, you know,
fair analysis by a media apparatus, the biggest story of
people's lifetimes it still is. I mean, I hope that
when the Trump administration takes in there we can actually
get to the bottom of what happened that day.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
This is an enormous story that we watched play out.
Speaker 6 (11:07):
There's great video, all reasons are there, and they buried
that thing because it was bad for them politically, and
I think people paid attention to that and said, wow,
first of all, amazing that he got up there and
shout at fight, fight Fight. That was a huge moment
for you know, politically and culturally. But also, why are
these people not covering this huge story? They must not
be like, you know, real good faith actors.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Yeah, no doubt about it.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
Steve Trump did a ton of independent media, and I
realized Megan Kelly is not exactly independent because she's freaking
a company unto herself.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
But he did Megan Kelly.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
He was on every single podcast that was out there,
ones that you know, my dad, God rest his soul,
would never have heard of before.
Speaker 2 (11:48):
But Trump's doing them all. He is sitting down with
theo Von.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
We now find out he's going to be credentialing a
lot of these online influencers at such a dumb word
to sit in the press briefing room. Is this contribut
to the end of the mainstream media people were just
they've moved on. They've been lied to so much they
don't turn on NBC at night to get the headlines anymore.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
Yeah, I think so.
Speaker 6 (12:11):
I think so, because it's not just that these people
are you know now they're on podcasts and on YouTube,
and that they once were in traditional outlets. It's a
totally different reframing of how media and how news and
information is consumed. There's there's an intimacy to podcasts in YouTube,
and it's not looking like Joe Rogan obviously, you know.
But a lot of has been made of Trump's appearance
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on Rogan, which I thought he did extremely well on
and obviously eventually led to a Joe Rogan endorsement in
that in that last final day before the election, which
who knows. I think that it had certainly some effect
on it. But Joe Rogan doesn't call what he does
an interview. He calls it a conversation. You got to
see Donald Trump in a way that you don't normally
see it. It felt personal and authentic. Now we know
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Kamala Harris couldn't do it. She didn't chose not to
do it because she is not able to be authentic.
There is no Kamala Harris is there. In fact, if anything,
she's almost thrived in more contentious settings. She was better
on Fox News with Brett Behar than she was with
Stephen Colbert. I mean, because she just cannot be herself.
But when you have someone like Donald Trump who knows
how to be themselves, he can go on Andrew Schultz
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like a comedian. He can go on Theo Vaughn, on
Joe Rogan, and he can move the needle. Because yes,
that is how people in all walks of life, particularly
young people, particularly young men, but all people now are
starting to adapt to this new way of consuming information
that is very different. And you know, the gatekeeper is
the old establishment, the crusty, old legacy press. They just
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don't aren't relevant anymore.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
Steve isn't a location problem for some of these people.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
I've long had this theory.
Speaker 1 (13:45):
I mean, it sounds a little bit ham fisted, but
where you live actually matters. And if you live, work
and worship in Washington, DC, or New York City or
one of these blue areas and you live that Ivory
Tower kind of life, great job, great college grade, all this,
and that that you simply you have no idea how
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out of touch you are. You have no idea how
normal Americans view you, and you end up talking down
to them.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
Is that a problem for a lot of these people.
Speaker 6 (14:16):
I think is the biggest problem. You know, Jesse, you
and I are in Texas. But I was someone who
for most of my life about until about ten years ago,
lived in New York and New Jersey and was part
of these same you know, New York newsrooms. And it
took me getting out of that to really open my
eyes to what I was missing. And frankly, I think
geographic bias is a much more pernicious bias than political bias.
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A lot of these media outlets lean left, and you
can lean left and try to be fair, but if
you're someone who does not anchor your life in a
reality that most of America actually lives, in which I
think we want to talk about missing the story. People
miss the story that we're not as divided as they
were trying to make us have to be. Donald Trump,
there is no One of the things that people get
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wrong is that people think that you either love Donald
Trump or you hate Donald Trump.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
There's a lot of people that love Donald Trump. There's
a lot of people that hate Donald Trump.
Speaker 6 (15:05):
But there's a lot of people that just have mixed
feelings about him, don't really spend their life thinking about him.
Those people decided in twenty twenty four to vote for
him in large numbers, and that blew the corporate media's mind.
The people that spend their life in green rooms in
DC and in New York who have no idea that
there are people like that out there. So yes, I
think that they are totally missing the story about what's
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actually happening on the ground, not just in politics, but
in culture, in how people just live their daily lives
by just being so isolated in their own little bubbles.
Speaker 1 (15:37):
Steve MSNBC, Ah, we're gonna sell it, CNN, and we're
gonna lay off a bunch of top talent. Now, a
lot of people are convincing themselves that this is going
to be some sort of a right wing shift.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
I've moved to the center's shift.
Speaker 1 (15:50):
But these organizations have all tried this stuff before, and
the revolt from the communists inside the building is so
bad it fails every time.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Why is this time going to be any different? I
really don't think it is, you know.
Speaker 6 (16:02):
I was after twenty sixteen and Jesse I put together
a little proposal and I said, you know, I'm going
to call in all my favors. I went to CNN
the bosses there and CBS and ABC, even Fox News,
which you know spends a lot of their time up
in New York as well, and I said, people missed
the story Donald Trump want and no one thought he could.
Let's kind of, you know, maybe have some interest in
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learning about why that happened. And there was a little
bit of interest, you know, if you watch those channels.
There was maybe three months where they said, oh, let's
let's talk to some Trump voters and figure out why
they supported him. And then within three months it was gone.
So what happens this time, Maybe there's four or five months,
maybe six months, they're going to go right back to it.
These people are incapable of actually having introspection and humility
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being humble. If you are not able to be humble,
you will never be able to adjust and change for
the better, I would say, but change it all, you're
just going to continue doing what you're doing and continue
to be failing, which is what we've seen them do.
So no, I am not hopeful that they will make
the sort of necessary adjustments to regain the kind of
trust that is completely eroded over these last eight to
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ten years. But you know, they're going to talk a
good game for a couple of months, and then they're
going to go right back to not just hating Donald Trump,
but hating half the country, more than half the country
that ended up voting for him.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Yeah, that's why I stay so humble. Steve, thank you
so much, my friend. I appreciate you as always. We'll
be back. You know, we talk about the mainstream media
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and how they've done us wrong and sold a salve
automatically what pops into your head. CNN is probably a
big one, NBC, ABC and all that stuff's fair, and
we were on they're very, very evil. But we don't
really talk enough about the leftward lurch of Fox News
and I'm not here to indict everybody at Fox News.
I still have friends who were hosts at Fox News.
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But the organization itself, they are moving left, and they're
moving left quickly, and there's a lot behind that. Somebody
who knows a little bit about that is joining us now.
My friend hosted the Brianna Morello Show, Brianna Morello. Brianna,
you didn't always have the Brianna Morello Show at one
point in time. In fact, when we met, you worked
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at Fox News. Why aren't you there anymore?
Speaker 5 (18:28):
Well, isn't that interesting? Jesse? Yeah, we met actually when
I was working at Fox and then all of a
sudden I was kind of forced out of the company
because I refused to get the COVID jab and so
off I went. But it's not really a surprise. I
was working there in twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen, left for
a few years to work somewhere else, and then I
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came back and the person who was bringing me on
board was working for human resources, actually had their pronouns
and their email signature, and I thought, well, that's kind
of strange. It doesn't seem what the place you work
out if you wanted to include your pronouns. And then
before I knew it wasn't that that was strange, that
was the norm. And I was the one who was
now the I a strange one for even questioning that stuff.
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So Fox has completely shifted. When I first came out
and started talking about it, people were like, well, Tucker's there.
And then as soon as Tucker was as people were
likely Breanna, something might be going on over at Fox News.
And it was true. There was a lot going on
over at Fox.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
There was a lot going on over there at Fox.
Speaker 1 (19:31):
And yes, this is kind of one of those things
that you and I kind of we would know about
before everyone else did. The Tucker thing was the big
title wave that woke everybody up. But I've tried to
explain to people when friends of mine asked me, Hey,
what's going on?
Speaker 2 (19:45):
What's going on?
Speaker 1 (19:46):
There's new management at the top. The Fox News of
today is not the Fox News of nineteen ninety five
you used to watch, and that Fox.
Speaker 2 (19:53):
News is gone.
Speaker 5 (19:55):
Yeah, Yeah, it's really sad. I mean, I when I
first started there was easy for me to poke around
and kind of have just discussions with the top executives
over at Fox. They were very welcoming, and they were
very excited to talk to someone who was entry level,
just beginning off my career. And then it got kind
of weird. Those those executives, those producers that I once
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knew weren't there anymore, and the ones that were remaining
were very quiet about their political beliefs, and I didn't
understand it. Like, for an example, when I got the
email in regards to the vaccine issue, I called an
executive up and I had a conversation with him on
the phone, and I just naturally started crying because I
always wanted to work for Fox, and I knew that
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this was the red line that was going to get
me tossed because I knew in my head I wasn't
going to apply by filing an exemption or you know,
just kind of going along with it and being put
unpaid leave. I was going to go out and fight,
and so I was really upset that I knew this
was my way out. And one of the executives was
trying to well, I agree with you, Brietna. I agree
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with you, Brianna, but if you want to work here,
we all have to do it. He's like, I'm unvaccinated,
He's like, we're just going to deal with it. And
those are the people who are still there. They're the
ones who just kind of comply and don't really speak
up for themselves, and anyone else who does speak up
for themselves is gone. I mean, I was friendly with
a lot of individuals over at Fox who did leave.
They left quietly because they're like, well, we might want
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a job down the line, we might want to return,
and so they thought it was safe just to kind
of be quiet about it and leave quietly. I don't
think that's the best way to handle it. And it's
also worth noting too, there was a Foyer request that
was done by The Blaze a couple of years ago,
and it added all of the big outlets that took
money from HHS to push the vaccines onto the American people.
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Now we don't know the exact dollar amount, but over
one hundred million dollars who's advocated through legislation to go
to the media. But ultimately Fox was on that list
of media outlets that took that money to promote the jabs.
And I've reported it constantly. I mean, I was there
when certain interviews were edited where if you criticize the
vaccines or told people maybe just hold up forgetting it
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because you don't know the long term effects of all
of this. You actually got that interview the complete if
it was a pre tape deleted or that little clip
was cut out. Peter Navarro was the victim of that
when we had him one of the shows that I
booked for, and so just time and time again, it
was just a reminder that this wasn't the company that
I agreed to work for.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
A freak. It sucks.
Speaker 1 (22:26):
Okay, well, now you have a show in fact, people
can watch you right here on the first How did
you get a show to watch us through this whole journey.
Speaker 5 (22:37):
Well, it's been quite interesting, right, So I've been going
through the process. I'm doing my own digging and doing
my own stories, and I just figured why not just
do this every single day? That would be fun, right,
So we started this show. It's a one hour show
every single day, and it's also featured on the First
TV on the weekends at seven pm Eastern Time. On Saturdays,
we kick it off and it's great. It's got all
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these people who were kind enough that I've known through
my Fox years. They're joining me. We have all these discussions.
I even do exclusive stories. You know, I was the
reporter who broke that story about Chelsea Gabbert being added
to a terror watchless heads up Fox News how that
story before I did. They refused to run it. They
didn't run it before I did. And I know this
because they verified it with my sources and they just
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decided how to run it. So that's the reason why
people tune into shows like mine, because we don't censor things.
I publish everything that I've made aware of that I
could prove is real, and the corporate media refused to
do that. So that's the alternative that you have these days.
You have the independent world or we're not afraid to
publish the truth, and then you have the corporate media world.
That's the reason why you guys want to tune in
every single day at seven pm Eastern time?
Speaker 1 (23:40):
Is that why people are tuning out? Is that why
they're there? They've moved on from this mainstream media thing.
The numbers are amazing.
Speaker 5 (23:49):
Isn't it crazy? I think one thousand percent? Right, we're
listening to the incoming administration say that they're going to
be open to giving podcasters and influencers potentially press credentials
to cover the White House, and I think it's because
they see the value in all of this. You know,
if we just had the corporate media coverage on President Trump,
he wouldn't have made his way back into the White House.
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I think Americans are tuning out the cable world. They
know that the cable world is garbage. They lie, they
continue to lie. You know, I was just listening to
ABC News talk about Lakelann Riley and the conviction that
just came in for Lake for the person who did
murder the Legalalen who didn't murder Lakeland Riley, and they
made it seem political. They actually pinned it against President
President Donald Trump, saying that President Trump is the reason
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why there's so much toxic coverage in all this this situation,
rather than the people who let him in. I think
Americans see things like that, They've had enough, they're tapping out,
They're turning to independent outlets to tell them the truth.
And that's exactly what the rest of us are doing.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Brianna elon Musk, I'm very standoffish with really everybody, especially
politicians and billionaires and celebrities on the cynic by nature,
as you know, and so I don't worship anybody, Yeah,
but I'm impressed at this point in time, I was
very very cautious and I'm still cautious. But at this point,
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how do we not acknowledge that his purchase of Twitter,
which he then called X, which is still weird, but
his purchase of Twitter and giving people a platform there.
Speaker 2 (25:15):
It has been huge.
Speaker 5 (25:16):
He has been great for free speech, It really has been.
I mean, as an independent journalist, I am making great
money from X and I'm very thankful for that. I mean,
if it wasn't for Elon Musk, I'd be very eliminated
with the platforms like a broadcast on because of many
of you guys know at home, places like YouTube and
other platforms do censor and do as people who are
covering certain topics that are controversial. So the fact that
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Elon Musk purchase Twitter and is coming out saying, you know,
I'm going to allow these independent journalists to do whatever
they want to do, cover whatever they want to do,
and I'm not stepping in. It's really really important. You know,
we are in a fight between good and evil, and
if this latest election doesn't highlight that, I don't know
what else will for the American people. I mean, we
need all of the superheroes we can get. Right now,
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Elon Musk has become the rights George Sorows and he's
funding things that are really really important. It's not even
that he's political at this point. He's a common sense
kind of person and it has somehow made him a
popular figure on the right. And it's strange, but I
think it's what's waking up so many people because Elon Musk,
keep in mind, used to actually donate to the ACLU,
(26:24):
and he was a big donor for them. Now all
of a sudden, he's woken up to realize the ACLU
doesn't actually support what it pretends to support, and he's
fighting and he's putting his own money where his mouth is.
The purchase of Twitter was actually massive, and I don't
know if we understand that fully yet. But I don't
think if Elon Musk didn't purchase Twitter and didn't push
for free speech like he did, if President Trump would
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have gotten his way back into the White House.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
How do we handle our responsibility going forward? I'll tell
you I try to be extremely careful about things. I've
made a mistake here and there, but not running things
not running with things that I can't verify are true.
I get the impression we should be careful with the
power we've been given now because just like the mainstream media,
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people will move on if we abuse it.
Speaker 5 (27:13):
Yeah. Yeah, well, I constantly will not publish a story
if I cannot prove it to be factually true. There's
a lot of defamation lawsuits that you have to be
cautious of. But you also don't want to discredit yourself.
As independent journalists, your income usually comes directly from your audience,
and so you don't want to abuse that trust because
once you do, they could just pull all their money
and then you'd have nothing. You wouldn't have a job,
and I think that's really important for folks to understand.
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So I'm constantly calling people, asking the uncomfortable questions and
vetting things. I get tips all the time. A lot
of those tips, I would say about probably eighty percent
of them don't really hold much in the way of
truth or you can't verify them, so you can't run them,
and you can't be afraid to do that. There's a
lot of ways to verify tips, and I've learned that
throughout my career as journalists. But for those of you
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at home, there's a lot of people also, and I
don't support all independent journalists because some of them aren't
actual journalists. I don't vet things. I'll hear something and
then they'll publish it online is if it's actually true.
I don't do that because I fear being sued for defamation.
That's a massive, massive legal flight to take up, and
so you have to be cautious. So I think the
rest of us should be okay with not publishing everything
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that we hear or see it first, because you don't
want to be on the wrong side of things. But
making phone calls, reaching out to both parties for comment
is the best way to avoid any of that because
once you give both sides the opportunity to tell you
if it's true or false, you could kind of make
your own make your own way from that, and that's
what I've always done. So I think that's really really
important for folks to understand follow journalists who actually reach
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out for comment.
Speaker 2 (28:40):
I've got a.
Speaker 1 (28:40):
Tip for you and everybody else, although you don't have
to reach out for comment. The pepperoni puffs that Little
Caesar's are unbelievable. It's one of the best kept secrets
in the country right now, and I highly recommend you
try them today today.
Speaker 5 (28:54):
If you can't, Rihanna, well, RFK might shut it down soon.
And I'm pretty sure Caesars isn't probably the best for us,
and so everyone should go out there and grab them now.
I'm a big fan of their stuff. Crust pizza. There's
something in there. It might be crack, but there's something
in it.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
Gosh, it's so freaking good. Now I'm starving. I'm gonna
let you go. I need to go eat.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
Brianna Morello, host of The Brionna Morello Show, thank you.
Speaker 1 (29:18):
I need to go eat some Pepperoni puffs and then
we'll talk to Matthew Peterson from The Blaze next. We
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have incredible options today, and I love that the mainstream
media hates it, but you me, we have options on
things we watch, things we can listen to. And while
I love the First, I'm a fan of others too,
big fan. Daily Wire does incredible stuff. The Blaze. I
just love The Blaze. I'm so impressed by the things
they do with The Blaze, And in fact, I want
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to talk to Matthew Peterson about that.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
He is the editor in chief of The Blaze.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
Matthew, you guys have something kind of big going on
right now, and it looks freaking cool. The man in
me is already in love with it. But I'm going
to hand it to you. You'll let you make the
pitch for it.
Speaker 7 (30:18):
Yeah. Well, look, I mean we're in this unique environment
right now where everyone's realizing what a lot of us
have said for years, which is that there's really no
value left anymore in mainstream media. On the other hand,
as good as these new outfits are, like what you're doing,
like what Daily Wire is doing, like what we're doing.
You know, look, what we're doing is good because it's
(30:39):
new when we're trying to do something different, not because
we're doing the same thing the right has done, which
is generally sucked for a long time, as we all know.
So I don't know how many times I'm just so
excited to be part of this.
Speaker 2 (30:49):
I'm lucky.
Speaker 7 (30:50):
I don't know how many times I've talked to people
over the last twenty years really about creating a conservative,
you know, a right leaning or just non borg magazine,
and that just did all the things that had profiles
talked about, not politics, but like life, what's.
Speaker 8 (31:05):
Going on out there?
Speaker 7 (31:06):
Right, interesting descriptive stuff that's not just someone pontificating, no
op eds, no white papers, right, but just really interesting
content that grabs you and.
Speaker 8 (31:16):
In a in a beautiful format.
Speaker 7 (31:18):
And so we we created Frontier and you know, after
the election, we're all living in a new Frontier. I
couldn't be pleased that we started before then. And this
is the kind of thing that you can pick up
and read. And you know, I did an interview with
Glenn Beck in this for instance, and not not Glenn
Beck the media figure, you know, but Glenn Beck, the
guy who spends a lot of time saving American artifacts,
(31:38):
right and is very concerned with American history and what
he does with that. Matt Tayebi wrote for us about
what it was like to walk into Elon's uh you know,
uh office, and and going too the Twitter Twitter offices
and create the Twitter files with Barry Wise and Michael Schellenberg.
You have reviews of whiskey restaurants. Uh, you know, the
(31:59):
kind of normal stuff that just represents a holistic vision
of media. And so you know, this is a work
in progress, but zero to one we got this out
of the bag, and I think it hits the mark,
and I think if you check it out, you'll agree.
Speaker 2 (32:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
I haven't gotten my hands on a physical copy of
one yet, and I'm gonna freaking nerd out on it.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
I like it.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
I'm a magazine guy, Matthew.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
Maybe I'm an old school guy. I'm a magazine guy.
I dig it. I'm totally in on it. Anyway, I'm back,
all right. So let's what's that. They're coming back.
Speaker 8 (32:30):
People want the physical thing again, you know they are.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
You know, physical books are coming back to I don't
know why we're going off on this, but now that
we're on it, I'm on it too. I used to
be and I still am when I travel a kindle guy,
right because you have all your stuff right there. But
me and my sons, you know, my boys are fifteen
and sixteen. My sons prefer physical books.
Speaker 4 (32:51):
Now.
Speaker 1 (32:51):
Really, I don't know what that is. Maybe there's something
cave Man and all of us. I don't know what
that is, but I like having a physical copy of something.
Speaker 7 (33:01):
Yeah, I think I think there's a snapback or a
correction to go back, not to get rid of everything digital,
but to grab onto things that are meaningful and physical.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
Yeah, all right, let's talk about the rise of the
independent media, and more specifically, let's talk about the rejection
of the mainstream media, because it was this last election, honestly,
as much as anything, it was a rejection of the
media that told everybody Trump's hitler forever, over and over
and over again, and then he goes out and wins
(33:31):
the popular vote. What that is is the American people saying,
we don't believe you anymore.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
But what was it?
Speaker 1 (33:38):
And I know it was a series of things over
a long period of time, but if you had to
point to one or two things that were the thing
where the American people finally were all, you know, I'm
not listening anymore.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
What was it?
Speaker 7 (33:51):
So I would actually go back to the start, because
I think we can talk about the end, but I
think the beginning, right is when they really they really
themselves a whole.
Speaker 8 (34:01):
I would go right back to the.
Speaker 7 (34:03):
Russian collusion narrative from the very beginning, because they grabbed
onto that and did not let go. That was the
first big thing. Of course, they've been lying about stuff
for decades. When it came for Trump, came for Trump,
something was different and they grabbed onto this, this lie
that came from the government and major institutions and Obama
and friends on the way out, and they did not
(34:23):
let go. And I remember thinking at the time, you know,
it's almost as if they have this spear and they're
coming to you know, just spear Trump with it, and
he grabs it and they won't let go of it.
So he uses the fact they won't let go of
it to turn it around and drive it through them.
And He's done this repeatedly. This has happened to them repeatedly.
They grabbed onto collusion, they wouldn't let it go. They
(34:43):
were unrepentant. And then when you go through COVID, of course,
you know that's that's an enormous one that still people
are bleeding off of that one where they spout a
bunch of ridiculous stuff for political reasons, won't let go.
People's lives are impacted. I don't think there was a
tipping point of these things. I think it started with
them just just going in a one hundred percent way
(35:06):
novack sies no back down against Trump, and those compounded
over time, and then I think what actually popped the balloon,
Jesse was when you saw what happened to the guy
on that faithful day this summer, right when when people
just saw the visuals of the assassination attempt and him
stand up and what his initial response was, and there
(35:28):
was something viseral about that moment that just stuck with people.
Speaker 8 (35:32):
You know, they saw.
Speaker 7 (35:33):
This media aligned to them over time or they started
to become more unsure of it, and then you see
the guy and what he did in a world historical
moment that can't be faked.
Speaker 8 (35:42):
And I think it was over at that.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
Point, Matthew.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
When we talk about how the how the media won't
back off, like you just mentioned, how they don't back off,
they just keep going of something small as they keep going.
The lack of humility I find fascinating. And obviously I'm
not pretend like I'm a humble person. Nobody, nobody watching
thinks that at all. So I'm not gonna act like
I'm some found of humility here. But I've had several
(36:09):
things that I've screwed up in my life and periods
of my life that I've bottomed down, and they've been
my fault, and I've been able to look at myself
in the mirror and say, man, that's on you.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
You gotta you gotta get it cleaned up.
Speaker 1 (36:20):
You're you're drinking too much, You're you're not working out,
You're you're doing these things.
Speaker 2 (36:25):
No one in the media can do that.
Speaker 1 (36:27):
Nobody in the media can look in the mirror and say, hey,
maybe the lies without end, maybe we should back off
that that no one can.
Speaker 7 (36:35):
Uh no, you're right, they can't, because you know, the
rest of us can look in the mirror and self
reflect and.
Speaker 8 (36:41):
These people, maybe some of them as individuals can, but.
Speaker 7 (36:43):
There it's because their job, right, their job is not
to tell the truth. They're you know, you know how
I knew that Biden was going to have to step
aside because the New York Times came out and said so.
Speaker 8 (36:56):
Not because the New York Times is so powerful, but
because they.
Speaker 7 (36:59):
Would ever speak truth to actual power. They would never
get out in front of power. That's not their job.
Their job is to be the mouthpiece for power. So
you knew when they came out and said Biden should
step down. It wasn't a brave stand. There was a
powerful force that was behind this, and they were the
mouthpiece of it. So they're mouthpieces. They're like they're like PR.
(37:19):
They're like salesmen. They're paid to go out and say
what they're going to say, and it's almost it's degrading
to the human person, you know, and Tucker talks about this,
he's right. To actually have to do this every day
and get paid to lie is just a disgraceful thing.
And I'm sure some of these people are like tortured.
Some of them are beyond you know, they don't even
care anymore. But it's not their job right to be humble,
(37:42):
because they're not wrong in their mind. Their job is
to go out and say what they're supposed to say.
And at this point it's so obvious, right, it's bad PR,
it's bad sales, and that's why it's not working.
Speaker 1 (37:57):
Matthew, I want to go back to something you were
talking about about Glenn Beck in his preservation of History.
It's funny the last time I actually sat down with Glenn,
he had to pause our interview for a couple of
minutes because he was doing exactly that. It was a painting,
something to do with Washington. I forget exactly what it was,
but he was emphatic that he had to buy this
to save it. And you actually recently sat down with
(38:18):
him and talked about how the people who write history
don't always do so accurately.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
Talk about that.
Speaker 7 (38:26):
Yeah, so, I mean, just first off, in case anyone's
been living under a rock, right, I mean, they need
to realize that this is what we've done in our
schools for a long time.
Speaker 8 (38:35):
We have sold a version of history in which we
lie about ourselves.
Speaker 7 (38:38):
It's one of the most bizarre things you can imagine
human civilization, But we've lied about ourselves, saying that we
are bad, we are intrinsically evil in some ways a nation.
Speaker 8 (38:46):
We've done that systematically.
Speaker 7 (38:48):
I mean, Howard Zinn's history books is common history books
were selling like hotcakes decades ago, and that influenced the
entire nation.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
So what you have now is.
Speaker 8 (38:57):
Precisely what we've seen in the last couple of years.
Speaker 2 (38:59):
This comes to fruition.
Speaker 7 (39:00):
People actually want to rip down physical manifestations of American
history and heroes. They want to take statues down and
melt them down and destroy the physical right remnants of
our actual history. And I think what Glenn recognizes and
really has pointed out to me in ways that I've
really learned from is just how story is so important
(39:23):
right to memory and to describe who you are now
in the present. And the story for in history comes
from actual physical artifacts, right, you know, the actual copy
of the Federal's papers you can touch, or George Washington's
compass which.
Speaker 8 (39:38):
He has at the museum.
Speaker 7 (39:40):
And what they want to do is get rid of that,
so they really put it in the memory hole. And
you know, he tells a story about about one of
the bells of the Santa Maria and at an auction
a guy tries to buy it and the seller he
wins the auction, and he tries to actually take possession.
Speaker 8 (39:55):
Of the bell, and he's the guy selling it says,
what are you doing with this?
Speaker 7 (39:58):
He says, oh, I'm going to melt it down because
that represents colonialism, and I'm going to melt it down
and put him in some postmodern architecture.
Speaker 8 (40:04):
And the guy refused to sell it to him. I mean,
they're going back to erase it.
Speaker 7 (40:08):
So saving it, right means saving actual physical things representations
of the past that tell our story. And you know,
I think this is a really noble thing that Glenn
is doing here that more people should know about.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
Yeah, I do too.
Speaker 1 (40:21):
I should note I don't want to brag I've actually
held that compass. I stood right there with Glenn and
I held George Washington's compass and it was six.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
It's one of the coolest things ever.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
All Right, Matthew, one more time, I want you to tell.
Speaker 2 (40:33):
Us Frontier magazine. How do I get my hands on it?
Speaker 7 (40:37):
You want to go to the Blaze dot com slash
Frontier the Blaze slash Frontier. If you get there, you're
gonna find a few articles are free, but most of them,
you know, won't be released to the public.
Speaker 8 (40:50):
It's a print only sort of thing.
Speaker 7 (40:53):
If you're a subscriber, you can also see it on digital,
but we're not releasing all those articles to everyone. This
is a very special Sick quarterly you can put on
your coffee table and everyone will know that you and
it are awesome.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
I dig it.
Speaker 1 (41:09):
I'm so in Matthew. Thank you, brother, I appreciate you.
All Right, we have final thoughts next. Now let's finish
(41:32):
this with some final thoughts on the mainstream media, because
you and I actually still have a role to play here.
Speaker 2 (41:39):
The mainstream media is not dead. It is dying. As
we just talked about. We laid out all the reasons.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
But it is not dead yet, and so there may
be opportunities for you to help them out, or should
I should say, to not.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
Hurt them anymore? Maybe your maybe.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
Your brother comes over and he says, some think about
something you saw on CNN.
Speaker 2 (42:03):
It is important for you and I to.
Speaker 1 (42:05):
Keep up the pressure and make sure every person in
the United States of America knows CNN is an evil
news network that lies about everything.
Speaker 2 (42:14):
So tell your brother that essentially the mainstream.
Speaker 1 (42:17):
Media they're in the middle of the pool and they're drowning,
and they're asking for help. Every single chance you get,
toss them a cinder block to ensure they sink to
the bottom of the pool. It could not possibly happen
to a more evil entity than the American media. I've
watched the American media and the things they've done. I've
(42:37):
watched it kill people in this country. I've watched them
cause race riots. I've watched them lie after lie after lie.
Speaker 2 (42:45):
Don't have an ounce of sympathy for these people.
Speaker 1 (42:48):
Finish them off, Change the channel and tell your liberal
aunt Peggy everything she believes is a lie.
Speaker 2 (42:55):
All right, all right, we'll do it again.
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