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This is a Jesse Kelly show. It is the Jesse
Kelly Show. Let's have some fun on a Friday. You
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We're gonna talk some Gavin Newsom here. Someone wants to
talk about the Libs being right about so many wars?
Are we going to see another crusade in our lifetime?
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Internal polling? How does it work? No, that's not about
Kamala Harris. Someone's angry about how I treat Chris. Should
we label Trainny's as terrorists? All that food history, so
much more coming up tonight on the world famous Jesse
Kelly Show. I want to begin here, Jesse. How many
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independents do you think will be won over by Gavin
Newsom's high school drama performances as he pretends to be
a tough guy and lie about not being a dirty
coming All right, I know we all because you're a
political person and I'm a political person, we get way
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too ahead of ourselves thinking about coming elections. It's not
because you're dumb or I'm dumb. Elections matter. They're a
big deal. It matters for what it means for our country.
And anybody who tries to plan ahead or try to
map things out, thinks about the midterms that are coming up,
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thinks about twenty twenty eight. What's gonna happen. We're gonna win,
We're gonna lose? What what's gonna happen? So there are
a couple things I try not to do. First, I
try to never get too cocky, too confident, and I
try to never get too down no chance. Now. I
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do not always succeed at that, and I'm sure you
don't either. Sometimes I think to myself, Man, these dirty
Democrats are so stupid and crazy and unpopular. They are
never winning again. We are going, you know what, We're
gonna win. We're gonna win more seats in the House
of Representatives in the midterms, and then in twenty twenty
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eight we're gonna win, and then we'll win again in
twenty thirty two. We're just gonna keep winning forever. And
of course that could happen. It absolutely could happen. But
I'm not convinced of it, and look on the flip side,
you look at maybe some approval numbers, or maybe they
do something dumb we don't like. You start to get
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down and out, Oh my gosh, we're gonna get We're
gonna get crucified in the midterms, like the ruling party
always does. We're gonna lose a bunch of seats and
the midterms will lose the House. They're gonna impeach Donald
Trump every other day. Then we're gonna lose. In twenty
thirty two. Cavin Newsom super talented. It might be JB. Pritzker.
Oh my gosh, the world it's coming to an end.
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I don't necessarily think that's gonna happen either, but I
don't know. And there's another thing I do, or at
least try to do, that I routinely fail at. Sometimes
I succeed, but sometimes lots of times I fail at,
and that is trying to understand the mind of independent
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swing voters who vote for Republican one cycle, than Democrat
next and Republican the next. And they are almost impossible.
In fact, I would venture to say they are impossible
to understand. And if you want a great example of this,
think about this. Think about this, Think about what we'll
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make it about presidential campaigns. Think about how much money
it takes to run for president. Now it's one to
two billion dollars for a presidential campaign. Now one to
two billion dollars. Where do you spend that money? Obviously
a lot of it's going to go to staff. You're
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gonna need an office here and a chief of staff
and consultant. That a lot of it's gonna go to that.
Of course, basic campaign infrastructure stuff. You need Macca hats
and bumper stickers, and that's obviously yeah, But your aim
for that money is not at you or me. I
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I can tell you right now. I hate to give
the game away, but I'm not voting for a Democrat
in the midterms, and I'm not voting for one in
twenty twenty eight. I'm assuming, unless you're hate listening to me,
I'm assuming you're right there with me. Maybe I'll get
mad at the Republicans. Maybe I'll sit out a local
election or something like that, but I'm not penciling in
the name of a Democrat. I already know, and your
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liberal aunt Peggy, she knows too. She's sitting at home
as we speak, watching the view, petting her cats, snorting xanax,
and she knows exactly who she's not going to vote
for in twenty twenty eight. She knows, I know, you know,
everyone knows. It's those flippy floppies in the middle, the people.
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And maybe you are one of these people, or used
to be. Because that does happen. You'll be a person
who goes whichever way the wind blows for a while,
and then eventually you'll be convinced that one side's evil
on the other side's good. But these people, I've talked
to many of them. I voted for Barack Obama twice
and then I got super mad about that, and so
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I went and voted for Trump. But I didn't like
this so that that Trump did or said. So then
I went and voted for Biden, but then I'm mad
at him. So now, what what do you believe in?
What drives you to the polls? What are your central issue?
The billions of dollars raised in a presidential campaign are
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aimed always at those people, those votes, because that's what
wins elections in critical swing states. Let me give the
game away for twenty twenty eight. California is going to
vote blue. They'll vote Democrat. All those electoral college votes
are going to go to the Democrat. Let me go
ahead and take it one step further. Alabama's going to
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vote red. They're going to vote Republican. But you know
what it is, We've talked about it. It's not just Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Michigan.
It's the swing voters in those states, Arizona, there are
others in North Carolina, the swing voters in swing states.
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Billions of dollars for a presidential campaign will be aimed
at grabbing not that many people. You're aimed at the
person who can be swayed by this issue or that issue,
or this attack or this billions of dollars for them,
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and still all that research, all those polls, all that money,
all those experts, political experts, and there's not anyone on
either side who can nail down for you specifically what
wins those people over. Nobody can Gavin newsom me I
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despise him. If I had to guess, Now this is
just a guess, and this is right now. We're in
the year twenty twenty five, it's not even September yet,
I would guess that his inauthenticity. I don't even know
if that's a word, but his lack of authenticity is
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going to kill him. Trump gets away with things that
other people in politics don't get away with and have
never gotten away with, because it's authentically him. Trump does
things and says things. Even if you are the most
maga person in the world, he doesn't says things that
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make you go, oh gosh, what are you doing? Of
course he does. Trump. Uh, remember when Trump said he
was he hated McCain and McCain hated him. And remember
when Trump said maybe the worst thing he's ever said, Hey,
it was captured. I like people who weren't captured. To
this day, I've never talked even people who hate McCain.
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I've never talked to a Trump fan who loved that.
All of them were all, Oh, that's not a good
thing to say, but you forgave him and let it
go because Trump is authentic. Authentic. Gavin Newsom is the
opposite of that. Gavin Newsom was essentially created in a
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political lab to seize power political power in California. A
wealthy billionaire family in California groomed and really created him.
He's pretty much a robot. Now he's actually not a communist,
a born and bred communist. He just he's been programmed
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to speak like one and governed like one, because that's
how you seize political power. In California. Gavin Newsom has
been a political robot for so long that I don't know,
to be honest with you, I don't know if Gavin
Newsom believes anything, believes in anything. He's just a robot
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design to grab power and then use that power to
hand out favors to his friends and smash the enemies
of his friends. But lots of time people can see
through that. Sometimes they can't. Will the independence in twenty
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twenty eight reject that I don't know. I don't know.
I would say, yeah, hopefully, but who knows. All right,
let's talk about wars. Someone wants to talk about the
Libs being right about wars. I want to talk to
you about capitalism, the greatness of it. It's not fully understood,
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even by many people on the right, because it's not
necessarily taught all that eloquently in schools. It's understandable they
get a little syllabus should try to churn and burn
through the different economic systems. Would you like to know
why free markets work. Why did they work? It doesn't
make sense. No one's controlling it. Why do they work?
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Hillsdale College will teach you. They have a seven lecture
understanding Capitalism course. I've read Milton Friedman. I've read a
bunch of things about capitalism and free markets. I learned
so much, so much. You can do this when you drive.
That's when I did it. To be honest with you,
I drive and turn these on. Hillsdale has more than
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forty online courses for free. Do it this weekend. You
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dot edu slash Jesse Hillsdale dot edu slash Jesse. We'll
be back. He doesn't care if you believe them, but
he's right, Jesse Kelly. It is the Jesse Kelly Show
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on a fantastic, fantastic Friday, and as doctor Jesse Friday.
Before we go back into the questions, there's so many
and it's gonna be so much fun. I just have
to give you a little personal a little update on me.
I try to always improve myself in various ways. I
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don't always succeed at that, of course, but always try
to get a little better, a little smarter, a little
more in shape, a little eat a little better. The
Lord knows I need help with that. As you know,
I'm not a big car mechanic guy. I can change
the oh in my car, and I am unbelievably fast
at changing attire, I might point out, and I put
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in my own windshield washer fluid. What. Don't shake your head, Chris.
I have decided, after what happened today, that I'm probably
going to begin digging into the mechanic world. Here's what happened.
For a couple of weeks now, I've had this terrible
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rattle in my car when I drive. It's doing this
Z that thing. It's terrible. Today lost my temper started
punching the dashboard. Rattle's gone. What, Chris. I feel like
I maybe have the magic touch. What, Chris? What? It's
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not because I broke off the part that was rattling, Chris.
It's because I have the magic touch. Whatever it is,
I can't explain it. These skills are god given. I
don't want to take credit. All glory goes to Jesus,
but I'm clearly talented in this area. And I'll be
keeping you updated as as I travel my mechanical journey
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from now on. Hey, Jesse Bronco, this guy says, one
glaring flaw in the whatever someone's ideology. The Libs slash
communists have been right about all these wars since nineteen
fifty six, Vietnam, the Middle East. They've all been a
crime against every twenty year old kid we sent over
there to die. Even Pat Tillman said so before his
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own army killed him and covered it up. None of
these wars has ever kept America safe ever. Okay, so
I'm not sure if you are a veteran of one
of these wars or not. You sound like you probably are.
People who drop that kind of level of bitterness about
these conflicts are usually ones who have had to participate
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in them. And as you well know, I have participated
in one. I was in the Iraq invasion, you know,
when we were digging through those weapons of mass destruction,
that kind of thing. I am not going to sit
here and justify this war or that war. The military
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industrial complex is very real. Also, the change in mindset
in America after World War Two is very real. People
look human beings, human beings. You will have trauma in
your life. That is part of life. There will be
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sad things, scary things, terrible things that will happen to you,
and you are going to feel the effects of that.
It'll affect your mind for a while, if not the
rest of your life. It will. That's how human beings are.
When we go through something terrible, it just affects us.
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If you've ever been in a terrible car accident, God forbid,
or seen one, or please God forbid, lost someone in one,
you have a different view of road safety than someone
who hasn't. That's human nature. World War Two, which every
guy in half the women love, especially once you cross
the age of forty. We love it because it was
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gigantic and horrific and fascinating, and there are demons and angels,
there are heroes and that I mean, there's heroes, and
there's Hitler, right, and it made things so clear in
so many ways. Those are the bad guys, those are
the good guys. And it was global and everyone participate.
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It was just a wild, wild thing, and we all
talk about it. Myself, I talk about it all the time.
I do all kinds of history on it. When I
do history shows for us where we sit now in
the year twenty twenty five. For us, it's almost like
a movie, a book, a documentary. Maybe you'll sit and
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enjoy me talk about it for two three hours over
the span of a couple of nights. But for the
people who lived through it, the globe who live through it,
it was more traumatic than you could possibly imagine. Well,
picture this, picture this, and I think about this all
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the time when you look at things like the Blitz
or on places like Dresden, Japan, anytime there was a
civilian population a city that was bombed, and you look
at pictures or video of it and you see families
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with wheelbarrows full of rubble, looking through the rubble that
used to be their city block or their home, family
members dead, trying to where do you even begin? If
you woke up tomorrow morning and your entire city was
rubble bombed, it's still smoking ruins, You've lost who knows
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how many members of your family, neighbors, you're trying to
find them. Your job, Well, I mean that place is
rubble two. Where do you start? Where do you go?
Maybe try to find a ride or get on a
horse and go see a cousin somewhere, Lord Willing, they're
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homestead Where do you even begin. Now, that's that's one
family we just discussed. That's you, that's me. Millions of people,
millions of them lived that existence during World War Two,
and nations themselves were so shattered by the experience. An
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international PTSD is how I'll describe it. How do you
begin to put the pieces back together? But more importantly
to your question, talking about the wars that came after
Korea and Vietnam and whatnot. More importantly, the world suffering
from the traumatic effects of World War Two. The world
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was all, hey, how do we make sure we never
have to go through this again? We'll talk about this
some more next. Hang on, what, Chris, we can make jokes.
It's fine, we get that right. The Jesse Kelly Show.
It is the Jesse Kelly Show on a wonderful, fantastic Friday.
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Remember you can still email us. We are live here
on a Friday Jesse at Jesse Kellyshow dot com. Back
to what we were talking about here, got emailed in
and said, all these wars since World War Two have
been unjust and wrong in a crime against every kid
who died. Okay, So we just talked about World War
Two and how collectively traumatized the world. It was after
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World War Two in the world decided this can never
happen again. This leads to things like the United Nations
and other things like that, Hey, let's all make sure
this can never happen again. This can never happen again.
This can never happen again. But you know, I used
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a car wreck as an example of someone who's been
through one, and you'd be traumatized by one. What happens.
Let's say you've been through a horrible car wreck, and
now you're nervous on the road. So you raise a kid,
say it's your daughter. You've been through something terrible, terrible
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on the road, and so you don't let her drive.
You don't even let her get her driver's license. No,
not after that wreck I was in, Not after the
death I saw. This will never happen again, not to
anyone in my family. How does it go? Eventually, Eventually
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she runs away from home, runs off with Hell's angels,
and you don't see her again. That happens. Our response
to trauma can oftentimes be way more damaging than the
same kind of trauma happening. The world deciding that there
can never be another imperial Japan. There can never be
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another Hitler. There can never be another World War has
done unbelievable amounts of damage around the globe because conflicts
prior to the Two World Wars, conflicts usually that the
vast majority of conflicts would involve a country fighting another country.
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Eventually one of them would submit. But submission did not
mean I am conquered. It didn't mean I have nothing left.
It meant a peace deal of some kind. That's how
the vast majority of conflicts have ended. Okay, so you
know what, let's use this as an example because it's
a modern example. It's a perfect example in fact of
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what I'm talking about. Russia invade Ukraine. Okay, I don't
support it, of course. I generally don't like bullying a large,
powerful country pushing around a smaller one. Not a fan.
But what would have happened if the West America all
what would have happened if we just said, all right, well,
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good luck Ukraine and let the Ukrainians fight. Let me
tell you what would have happened. Russia would have conquered
a bunch of territory. Eventually they would have come to
a peace steal when Ukraine said we submit, with a
tiny fraction of the loss of life we've had now,
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with a tiny fraction of that, Ukraine would have signed
a peace steel giving up things. There's no question that
would have had to give up territory, give up that,
give up, that giving up things. But the country of
Ukraine would have continued to exist. The people of Ukraine
would have been more intact, and life would have gone on.
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But instead, because it can never happen again, putins Hitler.
Just like Hitler, they must be stopped at any cost.
Send money, send munitions, send the Marines. Three years of
it now. Now Ukraine has slaughtered its entire male population,
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gone gone. They have government agents ripping teenagers off the
street to throw them in uniform and send them to
the trenches. They have men fifty plus years old with
uniforms on because all the other men are freaking dead.
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Is that a net good? Well, maybe it's a net
good for somebody, certainly not a net good for anybody
who's Ukrainian. What's it like right now? If you are
a young lady in Ukraine, maybe you grew up, maybe
maybe you wanted to find a husband, marry somebody, start
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a family. All the men are dead how many generations
are going to be negatively affected because all the young
men of Ukraine are dead. But of course this was
all done in the name of there could never be
another Hitler. And he saw this. Look you mentioned all
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these other wars, saw this everywhere. There can never be
We can't allow. We can't allow. We've got to go in.
We can't do it. We've got a lot. We can't
let North Vietnam just take over everything. We can't let
Saddam Husseying do what he's doing. We can't let it.
We can't let that. We can't let this. We must
step in. And we stepped in a lot, and we
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died a lot for it. It sucks. I don't have
another way to put it. I it sucks. I I
still hold my head high. If you are somebody who
participated in these conflicts, you should hold your head high
and be freaking proud of yourself. You weren't calling the shots,
not a politician, not a general. You're not powerful enough
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to adjust the way the world works. But this mindset
the world has, where everybody has to rally and jump
in whenever anyone is being invaded, is actually quite terrible.
Strong countries invade smaller countries. They always have, they always will.
It doesn't turn into a world war most of the time.
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Most of the time, it's a little loss here, little
loss there, super peace. Everybody moves on to live and
fight another day. I do not think it's a net positive. Hey, Jesse.
During the last election, we heard a lot about internal polling.
How does this work and how does it differ from
regular polling? Thanks for the great show, the history lessons
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and the lucid explanations. You can use that word lucid.
You looked it up to make sure it was used correctly. Okay,
internal polling versus external pulling. Okay, So let's talk about
this because polling is one of those things where we
will use all encompassing statements, especially when faced with a
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poll where we don't like the results. Right. So, here's
a common phrase on the right, a very very very
common phrase. Whenever we find out that we are unpopular
on maybe in a particular race or on a particular
issue where maybe it's Donald Trump is not popular, here's
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what we automatically say. Polls lie. All these polls are liars.
They're lying, they're lying. Well, no, that's not always true.
It is sometimes true, it's not always true. There are many, many, many,
many many different polling companies out there, companies where that's
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what they do, and there are super big ones and
super small ones. There are super reliable ones, super unreliable ones.
Polling itself, especially this day and age, is very very
very unreliable because people don't have landlines as often anymore.
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In fact, they're quite rare. So now you've got to
call people on their cell phone. They're blocking your number.
People on the right are less inclined to answer questions
on the phone. Communists love to answer these questions. People
on the right generally do not. We shun them, myself included.
The second I hear that we're doing a survey, click
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and number blocked, I do the same thing you do.
And that's how we handle these things. So polling itself
very difficult, very very complicated. Polling companies. There are legions
of them, large, small, good ones, bad ones. So let's
talk about external polling versus internal pulling and how it works,
and we'll get a little we'll get a little nerdy
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on this one, and then we'll move on and get
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be back. What Chris, We can make jokes. It's fine,
you get that right. The Jesse Kelly Show. It is
The Jesse Kelly Show on a Friday. Remember you can
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download any part of the show you happen to miss
iHeart Spotify iTunes. We're talking about polling. How does it work?
Internal pulling versus external pulling? All right, so I already
went over there a big pulling company, small polling companies.
There are reliable ones and not reliable ones. Now I'm
going to talk to you about cross tabs. I swear
I'm not going to bore you to death. Just stay
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with me. Just take a minute to judge, to gauge
the accuracy of a poll. It's really, really, really really
important that you do not just look at the number
you like or look at the number you dislike, and
then say, wow, it's a good poll, it's a bad poll.
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Put it out there. Let's say it's twenty twenty eight
and JD Vance's denominee and Gavin Newsom's denominee, and you
see JD vance is pulling at fifty four percent and
Gavin Newsom's at forty six. Nice, perfect, we're winning. Well,
how many people were pulled? We talked about this a
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lot leading up to the last election. You see all
these polls poll here and a poll there, and then
you look down and figure out wait, a minute. It's
a it's a nationwide election, and you called six hundred people.
That doesn't mean anything. So the cross tabs of a poll.
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Every poll has cross tabs. Cross tabs are the details,
and that is everything. How many people did you call?
What was the voter registration of the people you called?
Oh yes, jd Vance is up fifty four to forty six.
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You look at the cross tabs and figure out they
called one thousand people and seven hundred of them are
registered Republicans. That's not a reliable poll. The country isn't
seventy percent Republicans. That matters. It matters a lot. Look
at the questions they asked. Were they leading questions or
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were they real actual questions? All right, So that's all
the political nerdery I'm going to do now for the
internal polling. Every campaign everyone in history, local, state and federal. Everyone.
When they put out a poll, a public poll, there's
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a reason for it. Usually usually it's either to whip
you into being more supportive, or to pretend as if
they have all the momentum, which will also make you
more supportive. They put out public polls for you. When
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you see Senator idiot put out a poll In fact,
he emails it to you and he says, I need
your help now. I'm pulling down too, but I can
come back for fifty dollars. He's trying to get help
from you. I'm desperate. I can win, but we'll lose
without your help. It's a sales job. And I'm not
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saying it's always a lie, by the way, but that's
what that is. They do the exact same thing. You'll
see underdogs do this all the time. When they're losing
or expected to lose, they put out a poll. Polls
are showing that I'm up one on Sally Communist. I
need your help now and we can defeat her. They
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all do it. Everybody does it. It's politics. None of
those none are internal polling. Campaigns will pay for internal
pulling my race. You know, I ran for Congress twice.
As I've told you before, my very first race, because
I'd never run for any office before. I was going
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up against this very well established state senator. He had
all this money, and we did not have very much
money because the establishment hated my guts. I know you're
shocked by that. We had to scratching and claw for
every dime and we had to watch how we spend
every dime by campaign manager was Jewish. That helped a
great deal. But what, Chris, I'm just saying, No, I'm serious.
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We just had to watch how we spent our money. Right, so,
I had not done any internal polling. Finally, leading up
to the primary, this is the primary, I will tell
you this right now, I assumed I was losing. Everyone
knew who he was. He had raised and spent all
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this money. We didn't, I assumed me. I honestly, I
assumed we were losing. So we did an internal poll.
I wasn't surprised the night we won, because about three
weeks before the primary election we did a poll and
I almost fell out of my chair. We found out
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I was killing him, crushing him, absolutely crushing him. Everyone
just assumed I was far to the right of him,
which of course I was far to the writer of
pretty much everybody, and we didn't release that. But I knew.
Internal polling is what campaigns do, not for fundraising purposes.
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It's so they know what the who who and what is?
They know They want to know, Am I down ten?
Is this out of reach? Am I really up one
or two? Is it close? Do people think I'm untrustworthy.
Do I need to grab a trustworthy photograph or do
a commercial based on trust people? Do people not trust
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me on crime? Do I need to run some mailers
or TV ads showing me, you know, hanging out with
the cops tough on crime. They do internal polling, and
they keep it to themselves to let them know where
they're at and what they have to work on. It
is always the most reliable polling, and of course it's
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always the most secret polling. Polling you can trust generally
the most is when there are leaks. You don't want
your side to have leaks. You do want their side
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them up five, that's generally the most accurate polling. If
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