December 2, 2025 • 36 mins
Should there be rules in war? Hit first and hard. Anything to politically hurt Donald Trump. Institutional knowledge. “Journalists” trying to lie to the public.
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
This is a Jesse Kelly show.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
It is the Jesse Kelly Show.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Let's have some fun.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
On a Tuesday, and know what a tuesday it has been.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Trump to a big press conference today. I'm not gonna
play a lot of that, but there are a couple
things from Pete hag set There a couple updates on
that communist op. We will discuss all kinds of immigration talk.
We're gonna discuss institutional trust, institutions themselves a lot tonight
on the show. After that, we're gonna tackle everything from smartphones, venezuela,
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left wing, dark money. I mean, my goodness, there's so
much to get to tonight. It's gonna be a wonderful
night on the Jesse Show. Now, before we get into
anything else, anything else, we talked last night. You remember
about communist ops and how they create them, why they
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create them, And it was about the Pete hegg Seth
killing the narco terrorists on the drug boats. He ordered
a second strike, and more than anything else, we talked
about how important it was that you and I do
not take part in them. We don't take part in them,
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and it's not because we love or hate the target
of the communist op We do not take part in
them because we understand the Communist only has our worst
interests at heart. He means us harm. He wants to
hurt you and hurt me and hurt our country. Therefore,
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whatever he's doing is bad and I should not participate
in it. You you don't ever want to be Lisa
Murkowski of a Last Shocked us All.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
And I think most would say that when you have
two individuals that are literally floating in the water, a
second order to kill them all is not something that
we would consider within the within the rules.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Of war, you don't do what Lisa Murkowski did. And
today I almost can't believe I'm saying this, but the
New York Times printed an article that pretty much put
the whole thing to bed. I'm not going to read
it all for you. Long story short. When your liberal
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and Peggy strolls into the Christmas party a week from
now and she starts talking about how Pete hag Seth
ordered Sealed Team six to shoot drug dealers in the
head as they were floating in the water, just know
that all that's already been shot down. A second strike
is the most normal thing in the world, meaning you
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nuke the boat. If the boat is still intact or
still moving, you nuke it again. You send another drone,
you send another whatever you use to get it. You
do it again and again and again until it's gone.
There was no executing prisoners as they're bobbing in the ocean.
You didn't take part in the communist op and for
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that I want you to reach your arm over your
shoulder and give yourself a nice pat on the back.
If you want, you can even text a frame let
them know you're not a moron. You're not part of
the low TGP. You recognize the communist op for what
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it was. You refused to participate, and twenty four hours
later the lie has been defeated. Pete Hegsath was asked
about it today during this big press cost fully.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
Just begun striking Narco boats and putting Narco terrorists at
the bottom of the ocean.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
That is how you answer those questions as well. Now
I understand based on my emails, you have many, many
questions and concerns about things like war in Venezuela, and actually,
in kind of an odd DUC move with everything else
we have to get to, I want to answer some
of those just soweak and clear this up and move
on and talk about institutions and institutional trusts. For instance,
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this lady said, I'm confused about what constitutes a war crime.
And she goes on says a bunch of other things,
and she says, how is it when the Trump military
tries to do something make sure the enemy is killed,
it's called a war crime instead of heroism. So let's
discuss the idea of war crimes. I think I think
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maybe we should nail this down to it to its
most basic form. First of all, do you believe there
should be rules in war? I see it's a hard
question to answer right away. Right instinctively, you want to
say yes, well, of course there should be rules of war.
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You shouldn't do this, you shouldn't do that. You don't
want to use this kind of weapon, you don't want
to torture people, you don't want to hurt children. This
is a question right off the bat. Everybody has to
ask themselves because the answer you instinctively give isn't necessarily
the answer you want to give. Should there be rules
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in more? Well, I'll go ahead and answer it for
me personally, I believe there should be rules in war,
but I should never expect the enemy to fight said rules.
Now I didn't say what my rules were or what
they weren't. Why why didn't I specify? Well, I brought
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this up before anyone who's listened to the show for
a while and those I love history, But my number
one historical obsession, it has been for years in a decade,
is the Pacific portion of World War II, the fighting
with the Japanese and the islands and everything else. That
just fascinated by the whole thing. And I've told you before.
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I mean, you can go watch documentaries on it if
you find a good one. Marines. Marines were routinely killed
and maimed by Japanese troops who faked being wounded, who
faked being dead, who faked surrendering just so they could
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kill more marines and army soldiers. There were plenty of
army guys there. Eb Sledge, he wrote that wonder book
with the Old Breed, talked about how the Japanese would
tuck a grenade under their arm pits and raise their
hands up, only they'd have the top of their arms
close to their body, and when the marine approached, you
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reach out your arms, drop the grenades, you kill everybody.
So if I were to ask you, remember we have
to have this talk. If I were to ask you, hey,
should you execute someone who's surrendering, you would probably say,
like all decent people would, no, But how many of
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your friends do you have to see die like that
before you decide, Oh, there's no more surrendering. No no, no, no, no.
Everybody gets popped in the head. Everybody. The Marines and
the army soldiers routinely ran into this nightmare because American
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troops were at their hearts good people. They did not
want to harm women or children. The Japanese soldiers knew this,
and so when the Japanese soldiers would hide in caves,
if civilians were available, they would take women they're still
nursing babies and children into the caves with them. If
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you're a marine, you can't go into the cave and
rescue them. It's not possible. You'll die or your buddies
will die. You also can't leave that cave with armed
Japanese troops in it, because then they'll come out at
night and cut your buddy's throat when he's asleep. You
have to neutralize it. And so the marines would grab
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satchel charges, throw them in the caves and blow it up.
Sometimes everyone in there died instantly. Sometimes the entrance of
the cave would simply collapse and everyone in there would
slowly starve to death and die of thirst in the
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pitch black. The men, the women, the children. Now, let
me ask you again, what are your rules for war?
Don't those quote rules? Don't they become always situationally dependent?
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You know, the more powerful fighting force is always fond
of rules of war. You can't do this, and you
can't do that. Sign disagreement, say you won't do that,
you won't harm this, you won't attack this way. You
know why. It's the less powerful fighting force that oftentimes
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violates what you and I would consider rules of war necessity.
They have to. So let's discuss and the chances this
is going to offend. You are probably pretty strong. Let's
discuss the rules of drug runners, terrorists? What should be done?
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How have we been doing it? Maybe you didn't watch
it on CNN. I'll tell you about it next. Fighting
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remember you can email the show you love, your hate,
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your death threats Jesse at Jesse kellyshow dot com. We're
going to get to institutional trust after we finish up
on this little talk here on Venezuela. So the question
was about war crimes. What are war crimes? And I
just discussed with the rules of war. Do you believe
in them? What do you believe about them? So let
me explain. Let me explain how it's always worked and
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how it will always work. For instance, let's say it's Iraq.
Let's say you get intelligence that there is a convoy
of terrorists and they're heading towards Bagdad. They cross the
border from Syria. It's a convoy of terrorists. There are
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bad guys in there. Now, first of all, don't ever, ever,
ever think to yourself that it works like it does
in the movies where one guy reports to you, Hey,
I think there are some terrorists in there, and then
you and.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
A bunch of helicopters and bombs and bullets.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
You roll out and just go kill everybody. That's not
how it works at all. In the United States of America,
there is a long chain of command for these kinds
of strikes that has to be signed off on by
this commander that commander. It's not a one off thing.
One guy doesn't get to push the button, is what
I'm saying, because he feels like it. And by the way,
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that includes the Secretary of War. One guy doesn't get
to push the button. Several guys have to look at
the intelligence, look at what's there, and say Okay, boom
stamped approved, boom stamped approved. It goes through a long,
long list, a checklist. Now let's go to the nitty gritty,
the ugly part of it that you may not like
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because it doesn't remind you of Captain America. Once all
the check marks have been gotten, once the stamp of
approval was on the paperwork, everyone in that convoy is
going to die. And they're not all necessarily going to
be holding weapons at the time. They're not all going
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to shoot first.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
In fact, I know, I know this violates our comic
book sensibilities, but I actually don't want him to be
armed first, and I don't want him to shoot first
because then there's a chance he'll kill me. Once I've
determined that he's an enemy combatant, I want to sneak
up behind him and put one in the back of
his head. Therefore he's dead and I'm alive and so
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are my friends.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
So how does it work? Well, you send in whatever
you happen to send in. It happens a variety of
different ways. I mean, it can be everything from tomahawks
that just all kinds of different ways. You can choose
to nuke that convoy. But not only do you nuke
the convoy once. Then you're flying over it at the time,
and you're looking for signs of life. That includes somebody
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crawling on the ground with its legs blown off. And
if you detect signs of life, if you detect intact
vehicles most definitely, because there's munitions in those vehicles, you
have to assume. Then you send in another strike, and
another strike and another strike until everyone is freaking dead.
Because that's war. War is ugly, it is unfair, it
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is terrible, and people die. And contrary to what Hollywood
would have you believe, you don't wait until he shoots first,
punches first, grabs her weapon, and gives you no with
a choice, but the take of life. You hit first,
and you hit hard, and you make sure he's dead,
over and over and over again. That's how war has
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always been done and will always be done. Now. I
talked yesterday about the Communists and how they don't care
about war crimes. Right, none of this is about war crimes.
Is it a violation of the laws of war. None
of this is about that. This was simply an op,
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a communist op designed to divide the Trump administration. If
they're lucky, take out Pete Hagg sayth you understand what
it was we already talked about. As far as the
international laws of war, I'll be honest with you, I
laugh at them. And you know the reason I laugh
at them. It's not because I don't want there to
be rules. I very much do want there to be rules.
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I don't want civilians heard, I don't want people tortured,
I don't want people gased and things like that. The
reason I've always laughed about the laws of war is
the entire history of the world is the second someone's losing,
they violate the rules in the law because they don't
care about it at all. You know, there were laws
rules against using poison gas and World War One, the
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second Germany decided it couldn't break the stalemate they had
going out came the poison gas. There were all kinds
of rules and laws and this war and that war,
and well, the second you start losing, the second it
starts going against you, you throw those things out and
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you do all the things that are against the rules.
Laugh when I hear college boys and Washington DC do
gooders who've never seen combat talk about the rules of
war and war crimes and things like that, because all
it tells me is you've never actually been there. And
of course they'll roll out some air fingers quote veteran,
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and he's almost always some jag fobbitt who never left
a line. He never heard a shot fired in anger.
He never saw an ounce of blood unless it was
the sliver he got at the chow hall going back
for his fifth helping of chocolate cake while the rest
of us were out on patrol. It's the only blood
he ever saw in the global War on Terror. And
now he's, of course a democrat, and he's talking about
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Pete Haig said and the rules of war, and I'm
not really comfortable, hey, bb b b BBB. And these
are the subversives that have me greatly concerned about potential
war with Venezuela. I'm going to give you one more
thought on this and why I'm concerned. We're moving on.
We're going to talk about institutional trust. Hang on, Jesse
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Kelly returns next.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
It is the Jesse Kelly Show on a Wonderful Tuesday,
talking about rules of war.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Now, finally my final thought on this, because I want
to talk about institutional trust. There's a story out from
the FDA that maybe went by you. Maybe you don't care.
I very very much do care, and we're about to
talk about it. Before I get to that Venezuela. I
don't know what's coming, neither do you. There's all kinds
of saber rattling, if you will, there's I don't know
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what's coming, but I will say this, and I'm sure
the Trump administration is well aware of what I'm going
to say, so I don't want to act like I'm
educating them about something. We no longer have a Democrat
party in the United States of America. We have an
anti American communist party in the country. You see it
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every single day. But what's the difference. Well, Democrats may
push for leftist things, there's no question about it. But
once you go full communist, then what you are is
a subversive trying to hurt the country. You could argue
when nineteen eighty five Democrat was doing things that hurt
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the country. Hey, I didn't like that policy. I didn't
like this policy. You could argue that all day long.
But as a whole, the party itself wasn't designed to
hurt the country. Hurting the country it may have been
a byproduct of bad policy, it wasn't designed for that.
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With the modern day Democrat Party being a subversive communist party,
we have to consider something that maybe you haven't considered.
Think about this. Let's say, just for the sake of argument,
let's say we go full on boots on the ground
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regime change in Venezuela. I'm going to set aside the
politics of trying to sell that to the American people
and stuff like that We've already discussed. I'm not getting
into it tonight. Let's just say it's happening. Trump says
the Marines are going in the air strikes begin the works, right,
all right? How many people in the Central Intelligence Agency
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can be trusted? How many people inside the National security
apparatus of the United States of America are there to
bring down the United States of America. How many people
in the Democrat Party would work hand in hand with
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the media, the Central Intelligence Agency, every other part of
the system to actually try to get us to lose
that war so the Trump administration would look bad. How many?
How do you prosecute a war like that? It's not
that wars have to have universal support from everyone back
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at home in order to be successful. That's not the case.
In fact, that's really the case. I'm not saying that
you can have people who are against the war for
the war. Oh that's fine. But what if you have
one of the two major political parties and they'll burn
this whole place to ash in order to hurt Donald
Trump's approval numbers. How do you fight a war like that?
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How does that look on the ground. Okay, well, let's
just game this out, shall we, and then we'll move
on and talk about institutional trust, because this is actually
going to tie directly to it. The Trump administration right
now they're doing things like nuking drug boats and closing
the airspace over Venezuela. Well, these are policies that generally
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Americans are okay with. One. We don't have any strong
like of Narco terrorists. So when you watch an Internet
video of some getting blown up, you don't care. But
that's only part of why you're okay with it. You're
okay with it because no Americans are being harmed. In fact,
there's not even a real risk of any American being harmed.
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The Biden administration took a brutal, brutal hit to their
public approval numbers when thirteen warriors died at Abby Gate,
and everyone kind of knew it was their fault. The
American people will tolerate a certain amount of foreign adventuring
right up to the point where they're burying troops. Then
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they start to get upset. This is not new. The
FDR administration was gravely concerned about the casualty numbers at
Ewojima before we got into the Japanese and because they
knew the American people were sick of it, they were
really worried about it, and justifiably so. The American people
do not want blood. Now, let's say you're just hypothetically
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a United States senator from Michigan. Let's say you have
deep ties to the Central Intelligence Agency. Let's say there
are a bunch of people in the CIA just for
the sake of argument, who are actually committed communists who
would love to burn America down. Let's say you're this
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senator kind of agree in the very least you don't
care if America burns now. Let's say you have knowledge
of the location of a ship off the coast of Venezuela.
The Venezuelans don't know about a ship that if the
Venezuelans knew about it, they actually had the ability to
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take it out. How hard do you have to work
to slip that information to the Venezuelans. So a destroyer
gets nuked in the water, and you wake up tomorrow
morning and find out four hundred American sailors are at
the bottom of the ocean. What happens to Donald Trump's
approval numbers? If four hundred American sailors end up at
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the bottom of the ocean. And you know for a fact,
I don't mean you have to try to convince you. You
know for a fact every elected Democrat in Congress would
happily hand over that information in order to hurt Trump.
You know, these people have proven there's nothing they won't
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do in order to get Trump. Shoot. They tried to
freaking kill him, framed him for crimes. You think they
won't kill some sailors they don't care about means nothing
to these people. I am worried about our ability to
prosecute any war with anybody with a subverb party like
this inside the United States of America. And I'm not
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talking about being against the war. If there was a war,
that's not what I'm discussing at all. All kinds of
people and probably you are going to be against actual
military action like that, That's not what I'm saying. I'm
not talking about run of the mill against the war.
I'm talking I want to burn this country down. Trump
is hurting the revolution, and if I can kill a
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bunch of American troops, then I'll do it in order
to further the revolution. And that's the kind of Democrat
party we have.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
Now.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
How quickly do you think Jasmine Crockett would hand out
critical pieces of intelligence to the enemy if she thought
it would help the revolution. She wouldn't even hesitate, wouldn't
even hesitate at all? Think about that all right? Now?
That brings me to something that's completely unrelated. But I'm
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going to go off on it because it matters. It
matters a lot. We're going to talk about institutions and
institutional trust because I got this email about Venezuela. Although
we're done with Venezuela, Jesse, I was listening to the
opening of yesterday's show about commie ops, and the key
part is using corrupt institutions to give the op credibility
quote seven sources, the CIA, Harvard, et cetera. It's tough
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for people who still trust the media in these institutions
not to fall victim. Even when I listen, I can
feel a twinge of angst, thinking, oh, that does sound bad.
So we're going to Now this is going to take
a while to walk our way through this, but we're
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going to discuss another danger of where we are as
a country right now, and that is we don't have
institutions that are trustworthy. We have pulled our trust away,
they have proven to be untrustworthy. How do you march
forward as a country when the people themselves feel as
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if the contract with their institutions has been broken. Let's
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Speaker 2 (27:39):
It is The Jesse Kelly Show on a Wonderful Tuesday.
Remember you can email us your love your hate, your
death threats, Jesse at Jesse kellyshow dot com. So we're
gonna get to all kinds of things, but you're gonna
have to buckle up for a few because this might
take me a little bit. We're gonna have a discussion
we've talked about again again and again and again, and
we'll keep talking about it because it is so important.
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It's everything.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Institutions and institutional trust. All nations are built on top
of their institutions. The institutions hold up the country. Now,
let me break this down in a way that I
haven't before. A medical institutions, because that's what we're about
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to We're about to discuss that in a moment. But
medical institutions, even if you're a small village, it is
so important that you have someone someone there who can
provide some kind of medical care when people get sick
or hurt. Now today you're thinking about doctors and nurses
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and medical school and things like that, and we'll get
to that in a moment. But but even in a
small village, there has to be a medicine man or
something like that. But not just the medicine man, you see,
he has to have people training underneath him. The recipes
and things they use, they come down from generation to
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generation to generation. The medical man, the medical institution of
that village must be there because the people in the village,
the people in that tribe, they have to know, Hey
this itches, Hey I broke my leg, my tummy's upset,
my wife is pregnant. They have to know there is
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a place they can go to get accurate medical care,
accurate efficient medical care. They have to know. And the
institution of it is everything. Education, religion, media, entertainment. These
institutions are pillars that hold up societies. There has to
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be for media, for example, in the media. Now, this
is going to be laughable because of the disgusting media
we have in this country. It's critical because you're busy.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
You have a life, you have a job, you got
you got school, you got this, you got that, you
got everything else.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
You don't have all day long to pay attention to
the news and to dig through archives here and archives
there and listen to the police scanner. And you know
you don't have that. What do you have? You've got
fifteen minutes thirty minutes time when you're working out, maybe
at work, to tune into somebody to try to get
accurate information on what is happening in the world in
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your country, in your state, and in your community. There
has to be an institution therefore, in your country that
trains people to give out accurate, unbiased information so normal
people can be informed. But we don't have it here,
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and it's devastating. Now. I know that we have options,
you and I, we both have options now because of
social media and all the different podcasts and shows, and
there are all kinds of places you can go now,
go that are outside of tradition. But we lost it,
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and we lost these institutions. I'll get to the medical ones.
We lost these institutions not by accident. We lost these
institutions for two reasons. The first reason we lost our
institutions is it just seems to happen with time, meaning countries,
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especially large, powerful countries like ours, over a long enough
period of time for a variety of reasons, the institutions
will eventually be taken over by evil, selfish, corrupt people,
and they will ruin the reputation of the institution by
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taking it over and doing evil, horrible, corrupt things. And
once that institutional trust is gone, once the people think
it's a joke, then honestly, you might as well bury
the institution because it no longer serves a purpose at all.
I almost laughed when I heard this. Lady her name
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is what is it? Katie Turr is her name. She's
been a communist activist pretending to be a journalist for
years and years and years and years and years. She
is with MSNBC. This is what she said. Listen to
what she said.
Speaker 4 (32:38):
People don't trust us, they don't believe us. And it
makes me wonder if this job as I'm currently doing
it is effective, but if it's doing more harm than good.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
Katie Turr sought out journalism because Katie Turr wanted to
move the communist revolution forward. She didn't seek out journalism
because she wanted you to be informed about the news
of the day, the weather, the crime, the economy. That
that never crossed her mind. And you know how you
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can tell what crossed her mind. She actually dropped the
word in there that was so revealing. Did you catch it?
I'll play it again, We'll see if you can catch it.
It's one word. It tells you all you need to
know about how she views her job as a journalist.
Speaker 4 (33:30):
People don't trust us, they don't believe us, and it
makes me wonder if this job as I'm currently doing
it is effective, but if it's doing more harm than good.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
Effective? What do you mean by effective? If you saw
yourself as a journalist whose job it was to inform
people of simple facts, the truth, why would you ever
be concerned about being effective? You would only use that
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word if you saw your job as being something other
than the truth and the facts. You see, these people
are everywhere. Brian Stelter's another great example.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
What is this all about?
Speaker 1 (34:23):
Is this just about controlling the narrative? To legitimize the media?
Speaker 2 (34:29):
I would say, is to delegitimize the media, Jessica, And
this media bias monitor is being produced at taxpayer expense. A.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
He's worried about the Trump administration delegitimizing the media, But
the media delegitimized itself. It was conquered by corrupt, evil,
selfish people who saw their job as being something other
than informing the public. And now the trust is gone
and they can lament it all day long, but they
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did it, which brings me to our our medical institutions.
Get to that in a moment before we get to that.
Speaking of medicine, it's so sad that now abortion has
thought of as medicine in this country. It's treated as
medicine by so many people in this country. Oh, you
(35:19):
got a baby, We'll just go see a doctor. Kill it.
You know what, We'll get you a telehealth meeting. Then
we'll just mail you a pill. You kill it right
there in the safety and comfort of your bathroom, flush
it down the toilet. Isn't that the most disgusting thing
you've ever heard in your life. Preborn is out there
providing real medicine. It's called an ultrasound. They're giving these
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women free ultrasounds and then if they need more help,
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We'll be back
This is a Jesse Kelly show.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
It is the Jesse Kelly Show.
Speaker 1 (00:19):
Let's have some fun.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
On a Tuesday, and know what a tuesday it has been.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Trump to a big press conference today. I'm not gonna
play a lot of that, but there are a couple
things from Pete hag set There a couple updates on
that communist op. We will discuss all kinds of immigration talk.
We're gonna discuss institutional trust, institutions themselves a lot tonight
on the show. After that, we're gonna tackle everything from smartphones, venezuela,
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left wing, dark money. I mean, my goodness, there's so
much to get to tonight. It's gonna be a wonderful
night on the Jesse Show. Now, before we get into
anything else, anything else, we talked last night. You remember
about communist ops and how they create them, why they
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create them, And it was about the Pete hegg Seth
killing the narco terrorists on the drug boats. He ordered
a second strike, and more than anything else, we talked
about how important it was that you and I do
not take part in them. We don't take part in them,
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and it's not because we love or hate the target
of the communist op We do not take part in
them because we understand the Communist only has our worst
interests at heart. He means us harm. He wants to
hurt you and hurt me and hurt our country. Therefore,
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whatever he's doing is bad and I should not participate
in it. You you don't ever want to be Lisa
Murkowski of a Last Shocked us All.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
And I think most would say that when you have
two individuals that are literally floating in the water, a
second order to kill them all is not something that
we would consider within the within the rules.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Of war, you don't do what Lisa Murkowski did. And
today I almost can't believe I'm saying this, but the
New York Times printed an article that pretty much put
the whole thing to bed. I'm not going to read
it all for you. Long story short. When your liberal
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and Peggy strolls into the Christmas party a week from
now and she starts talking about how Pete hag Seth
ordered Sealed Team six to shoot drug dealers in the
head as they were floating in the water, just know
that all that's already been shot down. A second strike
is the most normal thing in the world, meaning you
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nuke the boat. If the boat is still intact or
still moving, you nuke it again. You send another drone,
you send another whatever you use to get it. You
do it again and again and again until it's gone.
There was no executing prisoners as they're bobbing in the ocean.
You didn't take part in the communist op and for
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that I want you to reach your arm over your
shoulder and give yourself a nice pat on the back.
If you want, you can even text a frame let
them know you're not a moron. You're not part of
the low TGP. You recognize the communist op for what
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it was. You refused to participate, and twenty four hours
later the lie has been defeated. Pete Hegsath was asked
about it today during this big press cost fully.
Speaker 4 (04:07):
Just begun striking Narco boats and putting Narco terrorists at
the bottom of the ocean.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
That is how you answer those questions as well. Now
I understand based on my emails, you have many, many
questions and concerns about things like war in Venezuela, and actually,
in kind of an odd DUC move with everything else
we have to get to, I want to answer some
of those just soweak and clear this up and move
on and talk about institutions and institutional trusts. For instance,
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this lady said, I'm confused about what constitutes a war crime.
And she goes on says a bunch of other things,
and she says, how is it when the Trump military
tries to do something make sure the enemy is killed,
it's called a war crime instead of heroism. So let's
discuss the idea of war crimes. I think I think
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maybe we should nail this down to it to its
most basic form. First of all, do you believe there
should be rules in war? I see it's a hard
question to answer right away. Right instinctively, you want to
say yes, well, of course there should be rules of war.
(05:23):
You shouldn't do this, you shouldn't do that. You don't
want to use this kind of weapon, you don't want
to torture people, you don't want to hurt children. This
is a question right off the bat. Everybody has to
ask themselves because the answer you instinctively give isn't necessarily
the answer you want to give. Should there be rules
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in more? Well, I'll go ahead and answer it for
me personally, I believe there should be rules in war,
but I should never expect the enemy to fight said rules.
Now I didn't say what my rules were or what
they weren't. Why why didn't I specify? Well, I brought
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this up before anyone who's listened to the show for
a while and those I love history, But my number
one historical obsession, it has been for years in a decade,
is the Pacific portion of World War II, the fighting
with the Japanese and the islands and everything else. That
just fascinated by the whole thing. And I've told you before.
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I mean, you can go watch documentaries on it if
you find a good one. Marines. Marines were routinely killed
and maimed by Japanese troops who faked being wounded, who
faked being dead, who faked surrendering just so they could
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kill more marines and army soldiers. There were plenty of
army guys there. Eb Sledge, he wrote that wonder book
with the Old Breed, talked about how the Japanese would
tuck a grenade under their arm pits and raise their
hands up, only they'd have the top of their arms
close to their body, and when the marine approached, you
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reach out your arms, drop the grenades, you kill everybody.
So if I were to ask you, remember we have
to have this talk. If I were to ask you, hey,
should you execute someone who's surrendering, you would probably say,
like all decent people would, no, But how many of
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your friends do you have to see die like that
before you decide, Oh, there's no more surrendering. No no, no, no, no.
Everybody gets popped in the head. Everybody. The Marines and
the army soldiers routinely ran into this nightmare because American
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troops were at their hearts good people. They did not
want to harm women or children. The Japanese soldiers knew this,
and so when the Japanese soldiers would hide in caves,
if civilians were available, they would take women they're still
nursing babies and children into the caves with them. If
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you're a marine, you can't go into the cave and
rescue them. It's not possible. You'll die or your buddies
will die. You also can't leave that cave with armed
Japanese troops in it, because then they'll come out at
night and cut your buddy's throat when he's asleep. You
have to neutralize it. And so the marines would grab
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satchel charges, throw them in the caves and blow it up.
Sometimes everyone in there died instantly. Sometimes the entrance of
the cave would simply collapse and everyone in there would
slowly starve to death and die of thirst in the
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pitch black. The men, the women, the children. Now, let
me ask you again, what are your rules for war?
Don't those quote rules? Don't they become always situationally dependent?
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You know, the more powerful fighting force is always fond
of rules of war. You can't do this, and you
can't do that. Sign disagreement, say you won't do that,
you won't harm this, you won't attack this way. You
know why. It's the less powerful fighting force that oftentimes
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violates what you and I would consider rules of war necessity.
They have to. So let's discuss and the chances this
is going to offend. You are probably pretty strong. Let's
discuss the rules of drug runners, terrorists? What should be done?
(10:24):
How have we been doing it? Maybe you didn't watch
it on CNN. I'll tell you about it next. Fighting
for your freedom every day, the Jesse Kelly Show. It
is the Jesse Kelly Show on a fantastic Tuesday. I
remember you can email the show you love, your hate,
(10:45):
your death threats Jesse at Jesse kellyshow dot com. We're
going to get to institutional trust after we finish up
on this little talk here on Venezuela. So the question
was about war crimes. What are war crimes? And I
just discussed with the rules of war. Do you believe
in them? What do you believe about them? So let
me explain. Let me explain how it's always worked and
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how it will always work. For instance, let's say it's Iraq.
Let's say you get intelligence that there is a convoy
of terrorists and they're heading towards Bagdad. They cross the
border from Syria. It's a convoy of terrorists. There are
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bad guys in there. Now, first of all, don't ever, ever,
ever think to yourself that it works like it does
in the movies where one guy reports to you, Hey,
I think there are some terrorists in there, and then
you and.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
A bunch of helicopters and bombs and bullets.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
You roll out and just go kill everybody. That's not
how it works at all. In the United States of America,
there is a long chain of command for these kinds
of strikes that has to be signed off on by
this commander that commander. It's not a one off thing.
One guy doesn't get to push the button, is what
I'm saying, because he feels like it. And by the way,
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that includes the Secretary of War. One guy doesn't get
to push the button. Several guys have to look at
the intelligence, look at what's there, and say Okay, boom
stamped approved, boom stamped approved. It goes through a long,
long list, a checklist. Now let's go to the nitty gritty,
the ugly part of it that you may not like
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because it doesn't remind you of Captain America. Once all
the check marks have been gotten, once the stamp of
approval was on the paperwork, everyone in that convoy is
going to die. And they're not all necessarily going to
be holding weapons at the time. They're not all going
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to shoot first.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
In fact, I know, I know this violates our comic
book sensibilities, but I actually don't want him to be
armed first, and I don't want him to shoot first
because then there's a chance he'll kill me. Once I've
determined that he's an enemy combatant, I want to sneak
up behind him and put one in the back of
his head. Therefore he's dead and I'm alive and so
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are my friends.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
So how does it work? Well, you send in whatever
you happen to send in. It happens a variety of
different ways. I mean, it can be everything from tomahawks
that just all kinds of different ways. You can choose
to nuke that convoy. But not only do you nuke
the convoy once. Then you're flying over it at the time,
and you're looking for signs of life. That includes somebody
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crawling on the ground with its legs blown off. And
if you detect signs of life, if you detect intact
vehicles most definitely, because there's munitions in those vehicles, you
have to assume. Then you send in another strike, and
another strike and another strike until everyone is freaking dead.
Because that's war. War is ugly, it is unfair, it
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is terrible, and people die. And contrary to what Hollywood
would have you believe, you don't wait until he shoots first,
punches first, grabs her weapon, and gives you no with
a choice, but the take of life. You hit first,
and you hit hard, and you make sure he's dead,
over and over and over again. That's how war has
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always been done and will always be done. Now. I
talked yesterday about the Communists and how they don't care
about war crimes. Right, none of this is about war crimes.
Is it a violation of the laws of war. None
of this is about that. This was simply an op,
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a communist op designed to divide the Trump administration. If
they're lucky, take out Pete Hagg sayth you understand what
it was we already talked about. As far as the
international laws of war, I'll be honest with you, I
laugh at them. And you know the reason I laugh
at them. It's not because I don't want there to
be rules. I very much do want there to be rules.
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I don't want civilians heard, I don't want people tortured,
I don't want people gased and things like that. The
reason I've always laughed about the laws of war is
the entire history of the world is the second someone's losing,
they violate the rules in the law because they don't
care about it at all. You know, there were laws
rules against using poison gas and World War One, the
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second Germany decided it couldn't break the stalemate they had
going out came the poison gas. There were all kinds
of rules and laws and this war and that war,
and well, the second you start losing, the second it
starts going against you, you throw those things out and
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you do all the things that are against the rules.
Laugh when I hear college boys and Washington DC do
gooders who've never seen combat talk about the rules of
war and war crimes and things like that, because all
it tells me is you've never actually been there. And
of course they'll roll out some air fingers quote veteran,
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and he's almost always some jag fobbitt who never left
a line. He never heard a shot fired in anger.
He never saw an ounce of blood unless it was
the sliver he got at the chow hall going back
for his fifth helping of chocolate cake while the rest
of us were out on patrol. It's the only blood
he ever saw in the global War on Terror. And
now he's, of course a democrat, and he's talking about
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Pete Haig said and the rules of war, and I'm
not really comfortable, hey, bb b b BBB. And these
are the subversives that have me greatly concerned about potential
war with Venezuela. I'm going to give you one more
thought on this and why I'm concerned. We're moving on.
We're going to talk about institutional trust. Hang on, Jesse
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Kelly returns next.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
It is the Jesse Kelly Show on a Wonderful Tuesday,
talking about rules of war.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
Now, finally my final thought on this, because I want
to talk about institutional trust. There's a story out from
the FDA that maybe went by you. Maybe you don't care.
I very very much do care, and we're about to
talk about it. Before I get to that Venezuela. I
don't know what's coming, neither do you. There's all kinds
of saber rattling, if you will, there's I don't know
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what's coming, but I will say this, and I'm sure
the Trump administration is well aware of what I'm going
to say, so I don't want to act like I'm
educating them about something. We no longer have a Democrat
party in the United States of America. We have an
anti American communist party in the country. You see it
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every single day. But what's the difference. Well, Democrats may
push for leftist things, there's no question about it. But
once you go full communist, then what you are is
a subversive trying to hurt the country. You could argue
when nineteen eighty five Democrat was doing things that hurt
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the country. Hey, I didn't like that policy. I didn't
like this policy. You could argue that all day long.
But as a whole, the party itself wasn't designed to
hurt the country. Hurting the country it may have been
a byproduct of bad policy, it wasn't designed for that.
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With the modern day Democrat Party being a subversive communist party,
we have to consider something that maybe you haven't considered.
Think about this. Let's say, just for the sake of argument,
let's say we go full on boots on the ground
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regime change in Venezuela. I'm going to set aside the
politics of trying to sell that to the American people
and stuff like that We've already discussed. I'm not getting
into it tonight. Let's just say it's happening. Trump says
the Marines are going in the air strikes begin the works, right,
all right? How many people in the Central Intelligence Agency
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can be trusted? How many people inside the National security
apparatus of the United States of America are there to
bring down the United States of America. How many people
in the Democrat Party would work hand in hand with
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the media, the Central Intelligence Agency, every other part of
the system to actually try to get us to lose
that war so the Trump administration would look bad. How many?
How do you prosecute a war like that? It's not
that wars have to have universal support from everyone back
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at home in order to be successful. That's not the case.
In fact, that's really the case. I'm not saying that
you can have people who are against the war for
the war. Oh that's fine. But what if you have
one of the two major political parties and they'll burn
this whole place to ash in order to hurt Donald
Trump's approval numbers. How do you fight a war like that?
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How does that look on the ground. Okay, well, let's
just game this out, shall we, and then we'll move
on and talk about institutional trust, because this is actually
going to tie directly to it. The Trump administration right
now they're doing things like nuking drug boats and closing
the airspace over Venezuela. Well, these are policies that generally
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Americans are okay with. One. We don't have any strong
like of Narco terrorists. So when you watch an Internet
video of some getting blown up, you don't care. But
that's only part of why you're okay with it. You're
okay with it because no Americans are being harmed. In fact,
there's not even a real risk of any American being harmed.
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The Biden administration took a brutal, brutal hit to their
public approval numbers when thirteen warriors died at Abby Gate,
and everyone kind of knew it was their fault. The
American people will tolerate a certain amount of foreign adventuring
right up to the point where they're burying troops. Then
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they start to get upset. This is not new. The
FDR administration was gravely concerned about the casualty numbers at
Ewojima before we got into the Japanese and because they
knew the American people were sick of it, they were
really worried about it, and justifiably so. The American people
do not want blood. Now, let's say you're just hypothetically
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a United States senator from Michigan. Let's say you have
deep ties to the Central Intelligence Agency. Let's say there
are a bunch of people in the CIA just for
the sake of argument, who are actually committed communists who
would love to burn America down. Let's say you're this
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senator kind of agree in the very least you don't
care if America burns now. Let's say you have knowledge
of the location of a ship off the coast of Venezuela.
The Venezuelans don't know about a ship that if the
Venezuelans knew about it, they actually had the ability to
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take it out. How hard do you have to work
to slip that information to the Venezuelans. So a destroyer
gets nuked in the water, and you wake up tomorrow
morning and find out four hundred American sailors are at
the bottom of the ocean. What happens to Donald Trump's
approval numbers? If four hundred American sailors end up at
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the bottom of the ocean. And you know for a fact,
I don't mean you have to try to convince you. You
know for a fact every elected Democrat in Congress would
happily hand over that information in order to hurt Trump.
You know, these people have proven there's nothing they won't
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do in order to get Trump. Shoot. They tried to
freaking kill him, framed him for crimes. You think they
won't kill some sailors they don't care about means nothing
to these people. I am worried about our ability to
prosecute any war with anybody with a subverb party like
this inside the United States of America. And I'm not
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talking about being against the war. If there was a war,
that's not what I'm discussing at all. All kinds of
people and probably you are going to be against actual
military action like that, That's not what I'm saying. I'm
not talking about run of the mill against the war.
I'm talking I want to burn this country down. Trump
is hurting the revolution, and if I can kill a
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bunch of American troops, then I'll do it in order
to further the revolution. And that's the kind of Democrat
party we have.
Speaker 3 (24:31):
Now.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
How quickly do you think Jasmine Crockett would hand out
critical pieces of intelligence to the enemy if she thought
it would help the revolution. She wouldn't even hesitate, wouldn't
even hesitate at all? Think about that all right? Now?
That brings me to something that's completely unrelated. But I'm
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going to go off on it because it matters. It
matters a lot. We're going to talk about institutions and
institutional trust because I got this email about Venezuela. Although
we're done with Venezuela, Jesse, I was listening to the
opening of yesterday's show about commie ops, and the key
part is using corrupt institutions to give the op credibility
quote seven sources, the CIA, Harvard, et cetera. It's tough
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for people who still trust the media in these institutions
not to fall victim. Even when I listen, I can
feel a twinge of angst, thinking, oh, that does sound bad.
So we're going to Now this is going to take
a while to walk our way through this, but we're
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going to discuss another danger of where we are as
a country right now, and that is we don't have
institutions that are trustworthy. We have pulled our trust away,
they have proven to be untrustworthy. How do you march
forward as a country when the people themselves feel as
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if the contract with their institutions has been broken. Let's
discuss that before we discuss that. I want you to
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Speaker 2 (27:39):
It is The Jesse Kelly Show on a Wonderful Tuesday.
Remember you can email us your love your hate, your
death threats, Jesse at Jesse kellyshow dot com. So we're
gonna get to all kinds of things, but you're gonna
have to buckle up for a few because this might
take me a little bit. We're gonna have a discussion
we've talked about again again and again and again, and
we'll keep talking about it because it is so important.
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It's everything.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
Institutions and institutional trust. All nations are built on top
of their institutions. The institutions hold up the country. Now,
let me break this down in a way that I
haven't before. A medical institutions, because that's what we're about
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to We're about to discuss that in a moment. But
medical institutions, even if you're a small village, it is
so important that you have someone someone there who can
provide some kind of medical care when people get sick
or hurt. Now today you're thinking about doctors and nurses
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and medical school and things like that, and we'll get
to that in a moment. But but even in a
small village, there has to be a medicine man or
something like that. But not just the medicine man, you see,
he has to have people training underneath him. The recipes
and things they use, they come down from generation to
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generation to generation. The medical man, the medical institution of
that village must be there because the people in the village,
the people in that tribe, they have to know, Hey
this itches, Hey I broke my leg, my tummy's upset,
my wife is pregnant. They have to know there is
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a place they can go to get accurate medical care,
accurate efficient medical care. They have to know. And the
institution of it is everything. Education, religion, media, entertainment. These
institutions are pillars that hold up societies. There has to
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be for media, for example, in the media. Now, this
is going to be laughable because of the disgusting media
we have in this country. It's critical because you're busy.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
You have a life, you have a job, you got
you got school, you got this, you got that, you
got everything else.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
You don't have all day long to pay attention to
the news and to dig through archives here and archives
there and listen to the police scanner. And you know
you don't have that. What do you have? You've got
fifteen minutes thirty minutes time when you're working out, maybe
at work, to tune into somebody to try to get
accurate information on what is happening in the world in
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your country, in your state, and in your community. There
has to be an institution therefore, in your country that
trains people to give out accurate, unbiased information so normal
people can be informed. But we don't have it here,
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and it's devastating. Now. I know that we have options,
you and I, we both have options now because of
social media and all the different podcasts and shows, and
there are all kinds of places you can go now,
go that are outside of tradition. But we lost it,
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and we lost these institutions. I'll get to the medical ones.
We lost these institutions not by accident. We lost these
institutions for two reasons. The first reason we lost our
institutions is it just seems to happen with time, meaning countries,
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especially large, powerful countries like ours, over a long enough
period of time for a variety of reasons, the institutions
will eventually be taken over by evil, selfish, corrupt people,
and they will ruin the reputation of the institution by
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taking it over and doing evil, horrible, corrupt things. And
once that institutional trust is gone, once the people think
it's a joke, then honestly, you might as well bury
the institution because it no longer serves a purpose at all.
I almost laughed when I heard this. Lady her name
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is what is it? Katie Turr is her name. She's
been a communist activist pretending to be a journalist for
years and years and years and years and years. She
is with MSNBC. This is what she said. Listen to
what she said.
Speaker 4 (32:38):
People don't trust us, they don't believe us. And it
makes me wonder if this job as I'm currently doing
it is effective, but if it's doing more harm than good.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
Katie Turr sought out journalism because Katie Turr wanted to
move the communist revolution forward. She didn't seek out journalism
because she wanted you to be informed about the news
of the day, the weather, the crime, the economy. That
that never crossed her mind. And you know how you
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can tell what crossed her mind. She actually dropped the
word in there that was so revealing. Did you catch it?
I'll play it again, We'll see if you can catch it.
It's one word. It tells you all you need to
know about how she views her job as a journalist.
Speaker 4 (33:30):
People don't trust us, they don't believe us, and it
makes me wonder if this job as I'm currently doing
it is effective, but if it's doing more harm than good.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
Effective? What do you mean by effective? If you saw
yourself as a journalist whose job it was to inform
people of simple facts, the truth, why would you ever
be concerned about being effective? You would only use that
(34:10):
word if you saw your job as being something other
than the truth and the facts. You see, these people
are everywhere. Brian Stelter's another great example.
Speaker 2 (34:22):
What is this all about?
Speaker 1 (34:23):
Is this just about controlling the narrative? To legitimize the media?
Speaker 2 (34:29):
I would say, is to delegitimize the media, Jessica, And
this media bias monitor is being produced at taxpayer expense. A.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
He's worried about the Trump administration delegitimizing the media, But
the media delegitimized itself. It was conquered by corrupt, evil,
selfish people who saw their job as being something other
than informing the public. And now the trust is gone
and they can lament it all day long, but they
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did it, which brings me to our our medical institutions.
Get to that in a moment before we get to that.
Speaking of medicine, it's so sad that now abortion has
thought of as medicine in this country. It's treated as
medicine by so many people in this country. Oh, you
(35:19):
got a baby, We'll just go see a doctor. Kill it.
You know what, We'll get you a telehealth meeting. Then
we'll just mail you a pill. You kill it right
there in the safety and comfort of your bathroom, flush
it down the toilet. Isn't that the most disgusting thing
you've ever heard in your life. Preborn is out there
providing real medicine. It's called an ultrasound. They're giving these
(35:43):
women free ultrasounds and then if they need more help,
they don't kick them out on the street, up to
two years of care. You want to genuinely save a life,
you know it's Giving Tuesday today. What's more blessed than
saving the life of a baby. Go to preborn dot
com slash jesse and give today preborn dot com slash jesse.
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