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October 9, 2025 38 mins

Is Lady Graham a paid FBI shill? Will we see right wing violence as these leftist judges keep releasing every violent offender they can from prison? Laticia James is finally indited. Are the Marines the only ones with balls? What does it mean to go ‘above and beyond the call of duty’? 

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Speaker 1 (00:10):
This is a Jesse Kelly Show. It is the Jesse
Kelly Show. Another hour of the Jesse Kelly Show on
a wonderful, fantastic Thursday. We have an amazing hour plan
for you here. Some guys worried about the right wing
violence that may start in response to theirs. We'll talk

(00:31):
about that. This guy's border crosser wife is turning communist.
Some guy wants to know where Chris and I linked
up the Marine Corps ball Is that something that I
ever went to? All that and so much more coming
up tonight on the world famous Jesse Kelly Show. We'll
even get into Lindsey Graham A that's always a good time.
That's always a good time. Before we get to any

(00:52):
of that, I want to answer this, Jesse. With the
left hunt continually escalating violence against us, how long before
some on the right start retaliating with violence against them?
And where do you think that would take us? Well, first,

(01:15):
I was just like you. I was mourning for a
while after Charlie Kirk was assassinated. And it wasn't just
you know the loss of a martyr and a husband
and father. It wasn't just that that was obviously part
of it. I was mourning. I would look. It wasn't
just on the air. I mean, I'm honest with you

(01:37):
about what I'm going through and how I'm feeling. I
got ob noticed it, but she was mourning too. I
was mourning what I think it means for the country.
That was a big part of it, not just where
we were, where we're going. Because I had told you

(01:58):
long beforehand that they were going to keep killing people
and that there was going to be an assassination. I
told you that was coming, and once it got here,
it just was kind of one of these ah, oh,
we're here, and I'm still sad that it will keep happening.
It will. Now you heard the story, I'm sure about

(02:22):
the guy who was going to try to firebomb the
Supreme Court justices. Maybe you missed this, but there is
a cathedral where the conservative right wing Supreme Court justices.
Occasionally they will attend a special mass there, and so
it would be the Clarence Thomas's and Alitos and these types.

(02:45):
Now they didn't happen to go on this day, but
they busted a guy outside of it with two hundred
IEDs and I talked to Luke Rosie with the Daily
Wire really sharp, really good investigative reporter. I talked to
Lukera Zayak about that, and it wasn't just some idiot

(03:09):
who threw together something out of, you know, a couple
products from his kitchen. From what I understand, there was
at least some level of sophistication to these things. By
the grace of God, he was stopped and the justices
weren't there anyway. But there's going to be more. There

(03:30):
will be These people are demonic, There's going to be more,
and of course the media runs cover for.

Speaker 2 (03:36):
In fact, it's not even like far right groups like
the Proud Boys and Oathkeepers, which have had national leaders.
Unlike Antifa, there is no organized hierarchy to the group,
and according to the Center for Strategic and International Studies,
compared to right wing extremists, Antifa linked violence is rare
and limited.

Speaker 1 (03:54):
Yeah, it's bad. So I was sad and I remain,
you know, I'm I'm still bummed about where we're going,
knowing that more people will die. We know, I shouldn't
say we know. We I've predicted that an ICE agent
is going to be killed, maybe a National guardsman. It's
going to happen it's going to happen to inevitable. With

(04:16):
this level of rhetoric, this level of demonic possession with
the communists, it's going to happen. So your question is
how long before the Rite starts retaliating with violence. I
hope a while, because I've told you many times before.
It's not that I'm a non violent person. I've been

(04:38):
very violent for much of my life. It's not that
I'm a non violent person, but just out of pure effectiveness,
it is very difficult, almost impossible to kill your way
out of a problem. People have tried many times throughout
history and failed many times throughout history. Just pretty much

(05:01):
impossible to kill your way out of a problem. People
have tried for a variety of reasons. Just doesn't work.
So I hope it's going to be a while. Here's
what I worry about, And maybe this is just something
I've gone through in my mind, but here's what I
worry about. If the right, if any segment of the right,

(05:25):
starts killing people. I don't even think it'll be street animals.
I don't think you're going to see a group of
right wingers start chucking Antifa guys in the back of vans.
And whisking them away. If we do get to that place,
and I really pray this does not get here, I
think it'll be elected officials like judges. I think, I

(05:49):
think it's going to come to a point. Well I
hope it doesn't. But my worry is that one of
these judges who keeps turning these animals loose on the streets,
one of these judges is going to turn one of
these animals loose, and one of these animals is going
to hurt someone else, you know, young girl, and that
girl is going to be the wife or daughter of

(06:13):
a very dangerous man, and something's going to happen. That's
my fear. That's my fear, because then it gets even
worse from there. Now, let's say, let's let's just game
this out in our heads, because maybe you're sitting there saying, sweet,
that's what they deserve. Okay, spause for a second. What
does kash Mattel and the FBI have to do from there?

(06:36):
Then they have to see it all gets bad. But
violence does beget violence, and therefore I worry the right
will not remain peaceful forever. It's just it's like racism.
Racism begets racism. You can't stop it. There is more
anti black racism right now in the United States of

(06:57):
America than there has been since segregated. Why because the
cultural Marxists, the black race Marxists in this country are
so loud and bold now with anti white hatred. That
has beget more racism on the right. I get it
in the emails sometimes black people sucking blackness and black that.

Speaker 3 (07:18):
Why does that happen? Did it come out of nowhere?

Speaker 1 (07:21):
No, you get enough Jasmine Crocketts out there running their
fat mouths about white people this and white dat and
white dad. Well, you're gonna end up with the shoe
being on the other foot. It's just a terrible state
of affairs. Jesse, my common law wife is flipping out.
She's my common law wife of over twenty years. Hates me.

(07:42):
She came over the Mexican border illegally and she is
now an official citizen through process. This happened during the
COVID period and I helped her achieve it. Now she
hates white culture, says I'm privileged, I support Trump and
that I'm a Nazi. We're arguing and set because of
these policies. What should I do or basic advice. Oh,

(08:05):
I would call aisen Haver reported, Hey five Ed Jesse
with all your humorless humorous banter towards Jewish producer Chris,
have come to the conclusion that it's either a stick
or you were both best buddies before world famous show started.
So as much as it hurts your heart for Jewish
producer Chris to have a spotlight, I would love to
know how you all got together and how your pads crossed.

(08:27):
I love the show, been listening for years as well
as everyone around me while we're at work in the fields.
The minions have no choice. That's really cool. Well, I'm
really I got stuck with Chris. It was certainly not
a choice, what Chris. I'm just being honest. It was
not a choice that I made at all. Remember I
told you seven years ago. My friend, my mentor, Michael Barry,

(08:53):
he convinced the local iHeart affiliate down here in Houston, KPRC.
He convinced a Martini, great dude, to give me a
shot at a radio show. And that's a big ask, right,
Eddie Martini has to give a radio show to some
guy I've never done any media.

Speaker 3 (09:09):
I didn't know I do what I.

Speaker 1 (09:11):
Was doing, and he did it. It was a seven
o'clock at night show. It's just seven to eight. It
was one hour local station. No one was listing. And
the first night I got there, you know, you don't
have a staff. The show doesn't even make any money.
You don't make any money. There's no there's nothing. The
first night I got there. You have to have a

(09:34):
board operator. It's called a board op. You have to
have a board operator. That's somebody who can take you
to commercial, bring you back, play some music, pressing a
couple of buttons. It was Chris. Chris was the one.
But Chris, as much as it pains me to say it,
he didn't just sit there. He became invested in the show.

(09:55):
So if I'm talking about something, he's digging up audio.
He was digging up you sick. Chris cared enough to
get involved, and so I had to drag him along
with me everywhere. Now he has the great honor of
working what Chris, of working with his hero me. It's

(10:16):
it's a huge honor for him. And look, Chris, I
just want you to know I'm happy for you. I'm
happy what I'm happy you get to work with me.
That's that's that's that's what I mean. It's an honor
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Speaker 3 (11:45):
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Speaker 1 (11:51):
The Jesse Kelly Show. It is the Jesse Kelly Show
on a wonderful Thursday. Chris, you need to play Three
Dog Night. Everybody likes three Dog Night, even people who
don't think they like three Dog Night. You throw on
some three Dog Night and everyone just feels better. This
is me formally requesting some more three Dog Knight. What Yes,

(12:14):
I like it, Chris. You don't have to be mean
about it, all right? Did you see Tiss James got
indicted for mortgage fraud earlier today? This is happening a
couple hours ago. I gotta be honest, I'm kind of stupid,
and I thought she had already been indicted. And the
reason I thought she'd already been indicted is because it
had been leaked to me that she was going to
be indicted. I guess as soon as it came out,

(12:36):
I thought, what didn't we already know that?

Speaker 3 (12:38):
But I guess now it's official.

Speaker 1 (12:40):
And hey, you come with the king. You're best not
miss It's hard not to think about that smug witch
sitting there in the courtroom while Donald Trump was on
trial in New York, with that smug, satisfied grin on
her face. She built her political career going after her

(13:01):
political opponents, and now I mean, they've got to have
her dead to rights. Here's the thing about mortgage fraud.
It's really kind of black and white. It's it's really
black and white. Either you lied on the form or
you did not. They have the form. Did you lie
that that was your primary residence or didn't you. It's
black and white. She just dohast just don't you didn't

(13:22):
get disbarred, I would assume. And that's it's some dirty
comy judge, which we all know can happen. Doctor Beaver,
you played the Lady Graham clips of him addressing the
extra funding for the FBI. Have you noticed his leading
questions about whether they can responsibly use the extra hundred million?
He chuckles before each blatant lie. What is that? Is

(13:44):
he laughing because he knows he's cheating us taxpayers? Or
is it a subconscious moment of honesty slipping out in
this circus of a hearing. Let's play it again, Chris
Helenzi Graham when Christopher Ray was sitting in front of
go ahead.

Speaker 4 (14:01):
If the Committee decided to say, increase by one hundred
million dollars your budget, could you spend it wisely? I
can assure you that any money that this committee thinks
good seas fifty.

Speaker 1 (14:13):
I promise it'll be good.

Speaker 4 (14:15):
I believe you. What I want to mark people to
know is that the budget requests for the FBI is
below inflation.

Speaker 1 (14:20):
Do you agree with that?

Speaker 4 (14:22):
I'm sorry, I couldn't he with the budget requests for
the FBI's below inflation?

Speaker 1 (14:26):
It sounds like it.

Speaker 4 (14:27):
Yeah, after listening to you and everything you say is
legitimate concern. You have a lot to do. Do you
think the committee should look at increasing your budget? What
we really need or more resources? More than well, we'll
count me in for more resources to help you deal
with this thread as well as other threats.

Speaker 1 (14:49):
So there's a great, great, great quote from the comedian
who's now there, George Carlin. He had a bunch of
great quotes, but he has a great quote. It's probably
his most famous quote of it's a big club and
you're not in it. We oftentimes see things as Republicans

(15:11):
versus Democrats. And that's understandable because Democrats are so unbelievably
evil now and there are a lot of very very solid,
patriotic Republicans who are fighting. But remember this, at the
tippy top of each party in Congress, I mean, and
the House and the Senate, the leadership, almost all of

(15:35):
them are on the same team. If you are in
Senate leadership, it doesn't matter if you're Chuck Schumer or
Lindsey Graham. If you've been there a long, long long
time and you've risen to positions of power in leadership,
you represent Washington, d C. It doesn't matter what state,

(15:58):
what districts send you there. You care about Washington DC.
You are a card carrying member of the system. And
look think for a moment. You know, j Edgar Hoover
was famous. We know this. J Edgar Hoover was famous

(16:20):
for collecting damaging information on all the politicians he could
find in Washington, d C. He kept files on them
so he could blackmail them and get whatever he wanted.
That's that's j Edgar Hoover got. You started the thing, right.
Do you think they stopped doing that? Of course it

(16:42):
still happened. We know that still happens now. Lindsey Graham.
Do you think the FBI has any information on Lindsey Graham?
These are people who read your text messages. These are
people with horses all over the country. What kind of

(17:03):
a file do you think the FBI has on Lindsey Graham?
If you had to guess, do you think there's anything
in the Lindsey Graham file that maybe wouldn't fly too
well with the good, God fearing people in South Carolina?

(17:24):
Do you think maybe just maybe there's a picture, maybe
a video, what Chris, I'm just doing? Maybe these these
are all hypotheticals, Chris, Maybe an email, a text message.
Do you think there's anything there that would make the

(17:47):
voters of South Carolina frown a little bit? Do you
think it's an accident that Lensigraham sounds so good sometimes
on camera, but right when we need him most to
drain the swamp, he seems to help the swamp. Weird

(18:07):
how often that works. It's weird how well rough Greens works.
It's weird because Fred has a nervous stomach. Fred used
to create a mess after every meal, I'll put it
that way. Quite a mess. He used to create such

(18:28):
a mess that.

Speaker 3 (18:29):
About poled her hair out.

Speaker 1 (18:31):
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(18:57):
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(19:18):
back feeling a little stocky. Follow like and subscribe on
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Show on a fantastic Thursday. Remember you can email the
show and you should Jesse at Jesse kellyshow dot com. Chris,
did you purposely play their worst song? That's their worst song?

(19:41):
And you did that on purpose? Because I asked you to?
You did that on purpose? And everybody knows you did
that on purpose? What what?

Speaker 3 (19:49):
No, it's not that I hate good music, it's you
have no taste.

Speaker 1 (19:52):
Please please, in the name of a just merciful gun,
can we get some better music?

Speaker 3 (19:57):
Jesse?

Speaker 1 (19:58):
Did you ever go to the Marine Corps ball? Do
infantry guys do that? If so, what do you think? Okay?
So let me let me give you non marine types
two people who may not know a little Marine Corps information.
Every year around the Marine Corps birthday, it's it's I

(20:22):
never had one that was on the Marine Corps birthday.
It just doesn't work that way scheduling wise. But somewhere
around the Marine Corps birthday, every Marine unit I ever
knew had a ball. It is a Marine Corps ball
and they are unbelievably cool. We were in twenty nine Palms, California.

(20:45):
They were. It was always somewhere else for us. I
don't want to say how every unit did it, but
we were generally around Las Vegas or someplace close to
Las Vegas. They would rent out some gigantic ballroom, and
the traditions at the sing there's more than I can
even remember now. Traditions like the oldest marine in the

(21:05):
room and the youngest.

Speaker 3 (21:07):
Marine in the room all cut the cake.

Speaker 1 (21:10):
You know, they both cut just so many cool traditions.
And when you're there, you dress up in your dress blues,
which everybody, including the other lesser services know are the best.
That's the best looking uniform there is. The ladies just
flock to you when you have your dress blues on.
It's undeniable. Don't don't, don't lie. Everybody knows it. If

(21:33):
you do bring a date, you know, if you're married,
or or you have a girlfriend, or you just ask somebody,
she will be dressed up, you know, ball gown, dressed
to the nines. Ladies. This is for you dimes out there.
If you ever get asked to a Marine Corps ball,
say yes. I promise you. One you are going to

(21:54):
be safe and sound surrounded by Marines all night long.
And two you are going to.

Speaker 3 (21:59):
Have a blast, a blast.

Speaker 1 (22:03):
I actually never brought a date to one because we
were going to Las Vegas and it's one to go
find one afterwards, and we would pour out after the
ball was done. And yes, there's food and drink and
great spa, great good speeches, not boring, you know, politicians
speeches great speeches and food and drink and cool traditions,
and then as soon as it's done, you are turned

(22:23):
loose in a place like Las Vegas and you and
all your boys roll out, which I know Vegas is
garbage now, I guess it's too expensive and the whole
place smells like weed. But there was a time where
it was just fun, even if you weren't a gambler,
and we would pour out onto the town in Las
Vegas and have a blast. If you, at any point

(22:43):
in your life have an opportunity to attend a Marine
Corps ball, do it. You will have a blast. I
have the fondest memories of these things, absolute fondest memories.
What Chris do other services have balls? The Marine are
the only ones with balls? Chris, dear oppressor of the
Kami street thugs. I was doing some research after your

(23:07):
siege of malta history lesson, and I didn't realize the
Ottoman Empire fell after America gained their independence. Fascinating it
took that long. Well, I mean, I guess that's kind
of true, but the Ottoman Empire, the Ottoman Empire did
not officially fall until after World War One. Realize that

(23:32):
It's not as well known as an empire in the
West because it's an Islamic empire. The West is not Islamic.
Outside of Minneapolis and Dearborn, the West is not Islamic.
We are more Christian based, so we don't have as
much of a fascination with the Ottoman Empire. You should

(23:55):
totally worth reading about a fascinating, fascinating empire. Yes, they
did a bunch of terrible things, and I got all
that every empire does. Read about it. And it lasted
a long, long long time. Now I said, it didn't
officially fall until after World War One. Remember I said

(24:17):
that they were They sold themselves and I guess in
a way saw themselves as the protectors of Muslims. They
were the protectorate of Islam, of global Islam. Well, that
was true. But like all empires that rise and expand
and get super powerful, it's very very very difficult to

(24:42):
hold a large empire together that spans lots of land
and lots of sea. Very rarely. In fact, it's never
been done forever. Right, the sun never sets on the
British Empire. That was the case at one point in time.
Now they're a little island and they've been taken over Islam.
Nothing lasts forever, and they knew this, and so they

(25:07):
treated their empire like concentric circles. You know what concentric
circles are. You have a circle, Okay, you have just
picture a circle, and then around it there's a bigger circle,
and then around it there's a bigger circle. Those are
concentric circles. Basically, they tried, and they were very successful
for a very long long time, to allow local leadership.

(25:31):
It was a very big deal. You know, there's a
reason that countries have states or provinces. This is an
old way of thinking that because you can't control everything
from the capital city. Even with a king, a strong
local government of some kind can't control everything. The Ottomans
were magnificent at this of having governors running their special

(25:53):
area of influence. In fact, the Ottomans part of the
reason they lasted so long is they would take whoever's
going to be the next sultan or potential sultans, and
they would instead of just coddling them in the tower,
they would at some point in time, after educating them,
after teaching them how to lead, they would send them

(26:14):
out to become governors. First, no go, you go out
to the hinterlands, you go to northern Africa, go towards
the Middle East. You go there, you take over this
particular area and you learn how to run that area
in preparation to be a kingdom. But it began to crumble.

(26:36):
It began to crumble, and it was really, really, really fading.
As they went into World War One, it was fading.
It was just they had lost so much of their
territory over the years. You lose this war, you spend
too much money, you do all the things that end
up crippling an empire, and then World War One comes

(26:57):
along and look, they chose the wrong side. That's what
it is. You didn't want to be on the Austria, Hungary,
Germany side of that war because remember, everybody got punished
who was on that side at the end of that war.
Kind of unjust, but still everybody got punished at the
end of that war, and that was them, and they
acquitted themselves quite well during that war. They didn't have

(27:18):
the equipment, the man power of the other major powers,
but tradition is powerful, and they fought like freaking lions
in that war, absolute lions. They It's an impressive empire,
all right, Jesse. To be honest, I'm not concerned with
the Republican congressmen who were targeted by the FBI. I

(27:40):
want to know which Republican congressmen were not targeted. Those
are the ones we need to primary. Here's how corrupt governments,
I mean, honestly, it's how police agencies work. Even if
they're not corrupt. They kind of worked this way out
of necessity. Let's say I think Jewish producer Chris is
a drug dealer. I don't just want to study Chris.

(28:03):
I have to know who he's talking to, who's he
talking to on the phone, who's he meeting with, who's
he texting. That's a very normal thing, all right, So
that's the good end of that. You're trying to track
down Chris's druggy network. Now, evil secret state police agencies
like the FBI they did. They use this for Donald
Trump as an excuse to go after all Republicans. That's

(28:26):
why they were tracking these Republican senators and members of
the House. It was anyone Donald Trump was talking to,
texting with on the phone. That's how they justified it. Hey,
Trump's tried to steal an election. Trump's doing illegal things.
Who's he talking to? It'll look it was very very evil,
very very wrong. But that's what communists do. Speaking of communists,

(28:49):
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What does it mean to be above and beyond the
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Speaker 3 (30:26):
Hey, Bronco. All the Medal of Honor.

Speaker 1 (30:29):
Recipients were awarded the medal because they went quote above
and beyond the call of duty? What is the call
of duty? And where is the line between what you
are supposed to do as a soldier and something extraordinary? Right?
It's very subjective, all right, very subjective. And medals in general,

(30:55):
then this doesn't apply as much to the Medal of Honor,
although it does apply the Medal of Honor, But medals
in general are very subjective. And here's a rule that
I follow. I'm not telling you to follow it, but
I follow it, and actually was my buddy Braxton McCoy

(31:16):
who came up with it. But I'm going to steal
credit for it. And give him none whatsoever. So I
came up with this rule. It's a very very good rule.
If there is an officer. This doesn't really apply to
enlisted men. But if there is an officer and he
has a lofty medal, medal for valor of some kind.

(31:39):
I'm talking about, not just medal of honor, distinguished service cross,
silver star, these kinds of things. These are lofty, lofty
medals where you have to do suicidal things to get it.
And you see an officer who has one of those,
check to see if he has a purple heart. Officers

(32:02):
will basically put themselves in for lofty medals they didn't
even earn. I just got done reading what was this
book called Sog? You know, I love the McFee sog stuff.
John Plaster. I don't know him, but I read his book.
It's called Sog John Plaster. Again. The book is called

(32:24):
Sog by John Plaster. One more time, Sog by John Plaster.
That way, you don't email me and ask anyway, just
got done reading his book Sog. It's just crazy, the
bravery there. And in fact, the more I read it,
the angry or I got about the mission. I really
don't care for it. But the McFee saw guys are

(32:45):
the greatest, freaking bravest dudes, stupid, bravery and taught. He's
telling a tale in that book. I won't go into
all the details of it. Of this unit gets surrounded
on one of our units, and there's a captain there,
and the captain is essentially a worthless, gutless coward the
entire time, and they're trying to evacuate people on the

(33:08):
few helicopters that can get in. People are dying everywhere.
They're trying to fight off the Vietnamese that I think
it was the NVA, trying to fight off the NVA
while getting the super wounded people on the heroes. Those
are the ones who had to be heloed out in
order to save themselves. And finally the captain runs and
jumps on one of the hels. He's not even wounded,

(33:30):
runs and jumps on one of the heroes. He's the
ranking officer and bails and leaves them all behind, gets
back and I forget I think it was the Silver Star,
but it might have been the Distinguished Service Cross gets
back and puts himself in for a metal and gets one.
They were so disgusted with the idea. The whole story
is in the book if you want to read it.
But if an officer has a medal for valor, check

(33:54):
and see if he has a purple heart. If he doesn't,
and I don't know that, I would necessarily trust that
all the way. Very good rule, Very good rule. Okay.
So to answer your question, which I didn't answer, and
actually I'll explain what I mean by I don't like
the macvie saw mission. The more I read it, what
is above and beyond the call of duty? It's hard

(34:18):
to say. It's just hard to say. Usually in these cases,
as you know, you hear me read this ditation every Monday.
Usually you're doing something that you were not even ordered
to do, something on your own initiative, something that you
have a very high likelihood of dying, something suicidal. To

(34:40):
be honest with you, that's usually what they mean by that. Now,
let me clarify before we get back to the stories
and the politics and everything else, let me clarify what
I meant when I said I don't like the Macvie's.
I really disliked the macv sag mission. Their casualty rate
was over a hundred percent member casualties are not deaths Okay,

(35:04):
that's anyone wounded over one hundred percent. That means everybody
was wounded, many of them more than once. Their KIA
rate death rate over fifty percent. In my opinion, this
is a personal opinion. In my opinion, that should never

(35:28):
happen unless we are in a dire, desperate defense of
the homeland situation. I would be upset if that happened
in World War Two. That's how upset I would be. Now,
I'm not talking about an individual battle, in a battle
or something like that. That's gonna happen. You're gonna have
whole units wiped out. SOG went on for eight years,

(35:51):
and the odds were you were going to die. One
of the things Plaster says in that and I'm gonna
mess up the numbers a little bit, but he said,
you go out on three missions before you're even allowed
to talk. Really, you go out on five, you're a contributor.
If you end up going out on fifteen, you're really

(36:16):
pressing your luck. And if you make twenty, everyone's gonna
start looking at you like, why are you still alive?
These guys died all the time they go out they
drop them behind enemy lines, and I've told you about
one unit that just disappeared.

Speaker 3 (36:33):
That happened all the time.

Speaker 1 (36:35):
They would drop these guys and they would just disappear,
and they'd never hear it from him again because they
would get swarmed and killed immediately. You carried on a program,
no matter what good, I don't care what good it did.
I shouldn't say I don't care. They did do a
lot of good. You carried on a program for eight
years of our best and brightest and more than half

(36:56):
of them died. Unacceptable should unless we're talking about the
impending collapse of the United States of America because an
invading army is on our soil. That should never happen.
Chris said, did it do any good? Or they did
tons of good? They tied up large quantities of troops,

(37:16):
They were amazing at recon and calling in airstrikes, and
they did amazing things, amazing amounts of good. And like
I said, there's some of the bravest men I've ever
heard about at any period of time. They're the most
amazing human beings. The mission is ridiculous, but just freak
it suicidal. You take six guys and you go drop
them in right in between. You know, ten thousand MVA

(37:37):
troops and you have to helo out and they're alone.

Speaker 3 (37:42):
They're hunting them down with dogs.

Speaker 1 (37:44):
It's unacceptable. In my opinion, I do not believe in that.
I think that should have been stopped, but it's my
personal opinion. All Right, we'll get back and do some
more politics and other things before we do that. Protect
your data. Text your social Security number. Really, that's probably
the biggest thing because if they get a hold of that,

(38:06):
they can destroy you. Talking about taking out loans in
your name, draining your bank account. These are the things
people do that happens all the time. Does someone have
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