Hour 2: Rhodesian Bush War Part 1

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Speaker 1 (00:10):
This is a Jesse Kelly show. It is the Jesse
Kelly Show. Another hour of the Jesse Kelly Show on
a spectacular Tuesday. As we cruise through this week, and
I'm gonna level with you here, i still have to
on the show. I'm going to address finally the Marjorie

(00:33):
Taylor Green thing. I have to talk about the administrative
state and what that idiot KBJ said in the Supreme
Court about the administrative state and what they're working on there.
I have so much stuff I still want to get to,
but I don't know if I'm going to get there
for a while. In fact, let me go and spoil it.

(00:54):
I know I'm not going to get there for the
next hour. Maybe you are new to the Jesse Kelly Show. Oh,
let me go ahead and give it to you. I'm
a history freak. I am not a historian. I'm a stupid,
uneducated barbarian. I was a marine and a construction worker.
I went to community college. I just love history. I

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have since I was a child. I love history. I
can't get enough of it. And from time to time
on this show, I will basically stop all commentary, food, politics, life,
and I will just tell a history story of some kind.
I would say every month, every two months, I do this.

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Sometimes it's an hour, sometimes it's three hours. I try
to not take up the whole show with that. For
people who hate it, well, we've kind of fallen into me,
Chris Corey, we've kind of fallen into this. Hour two.
We will do an hour and then we'll go back
to it. So here's the spoiler alert. The next hour

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is going to be history. It is going to be
very applicable to America today, to communist insurgencies, world affairs,
military affairs. There's a lot we can apply. I'm going
to stop after an hour. We'll go back to the
news Tomorrow. Hour two we're picking it up again, and
we'll keep doing it every day until I'm done with it. Okay,

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But there is a conflict that is relatively recent, I
guess called the Rhodesian bush War. But it is a conflict.
As I talk to people, some some know a lot
about there seems to be no in between. There are
people who know a lot about it and there are

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people who know nothing about it. Almost nobody seems to
know ah a little bit about it. Let me give
you the reason why. In my opinion. Having spent quite
a while reading looking this up. It's been weeks I've
been digging into this. It takes place in Africa, so
it's clear across the globe. It wasn't. Now America was involved,

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and we'll get to that, but it wasn't really an
American thing, So Americans are not going to pay as
much attention African wars in general, wars and famines and
things like that are so common to us as we
look at the news that one doesn't necessarily stand out
over the others, so we don't look into that. It's

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just kind of one of those things that's gone by
most people. Another reason it goes by most Americans is
your teachers in your government schools, if that's what you
went to, and in your universities, if that's what you
went to, most likely were communists or communists adjacent. And

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don't get me wrong, everybody at some point in time
in this story doesn't necessarily look great, but there was
lot of communist involvement here. In fact, it was the
communists who destroyed Rhodesia, and therefore your fifth grade social
studies teacher probably doesn't want to bring it up for
the same reason. They'll tell you too. They're blue in

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the face about Hitler, but they don't want to ever
really tell you about Mao and Stalin and all those
things because it makes communism look bad, all right, So
the people who don't know about it, those are kind
of the reasons people don't know about it. Now, why
the other extreme? And we got a bunch of emails
from people who are clearly Rhodesian bush war freaks. Why

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the other extreme? It is so fascinating, it's so fascinating.
And because it's so fascinating in so many different ways,
you can be obsessed with it. What kind of ways.
Maybe you're a dude or even a chick who's into

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military stuff. We're going to be talking about one of
the finest militaries, in my opinion, that has ever walked
to the planet. Almost a spartan like society for reasons,
I'll explain. Oh, so maybe you're into tribal warfare, that
kind of stuff. I love that stuff too, as you
know American Indians, things like that. It's got all kinds

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of that. So maybe military stuff is yours. Maybe political
drama is your thing. Maybe different forms of government of
your thing. Maybe diplomacy itself. This nation leaning on that nation,
but they lean on that nation. Whatever you happen to
be into, it's in this and you can just wade
into this story and not get near enough. I'm gonna

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break this down and it's gonna take me a while.
And I promise you, promise you, if you are interested
in what I'm talking about now, if you go start
picking up books, you will learn so much more than
I'm about to tell you. You'll learn new stuff. It's amazing,
all right. Now, Remember when we did the Crappiest Country
in the World, Crappiest in the World tournament. How about

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we have Chris sixteen countries, sixteen countries in the crappiest
country in the World tournament. One of those countries, maybe
you remember, was a country named Zimbabwe. Zimbabwe. Huh sounds
pretty rough. What was wrong with Zimbabwe? Well, there's the
whole fifty percent unemployment thing. There's the whole you broke

(06:28):
your arm, you show up at the hospital and they
don't have any doctors thing. There's the no medicine, cabinets
are empty, no water in some places. It's so bad
in Zimbabwe that people when they have the means to

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do so regularly flee now a truly, truly terrible place.
But that is interesting, you see, because if you were
to rewind to again, not ancient history, we'll call it
nineteen sixty, Zimbabwe is the wealthiest country in all of Africa.

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You know how big Africa is, how many countries there are.
It is not just wealthy as in there's a couple
rich guys. Families are on paved roads, air conditioning, people
drive jaguarres up the road, wonderful modern schools, hospitals, universities.

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If I were to put a blindfold on you right
now and rewind to the year nineteen sixty and put
you in any American city, you could look around and
see what life is like in a modern country. And
then I would have blindfold you again and teleport you
over to It was in Zimbabwe then, but to Zimbabwe
of nineteen sixty. You would not be able to tell

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the difference until the people started to speak and you
heard the accent. So it was so wonderful in nineteen sixty.
Why do people flee now, starve to death? Now? Why
aren't their doctors, Why isn't their medicine. We're about to
tell that story. Let us rewind. We're going to go

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back into this is early, early, early that we're talking
about the age of sailing ships. I'm going to have
to give you details that I normally don't give as
I lay this out, because the base of knowledge so
many people have is lacking here. Don't feel bad about that.
Most people don't have it right. So when I'm vague,
it's because I've got too many details coming for you later.

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Rewind all the way back to the sailing ship age,
the age of Christopher Columbus, the European powers. European powers
are starting to take these wonderful sailing ships, and they're
starting to cross the globe. They're looking for things. They're
looking to claim new lands, they're looking to claim new resources.

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One of those super powerful countries back then, which it's
funny to think about this now because they're not very powerful,
was Portugal. Portugal was big. Portugal starts bouncing around Africa.
They round the southern tip of Africa and they start
to move inland a little bit, and they find this

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climate that is kind of wonderful. When you think of Africa,
you don't think about it that way, right. You probably
think about thick jungle. Maybe you're thinking about the Sahara,
these vast sands and things like that. Of course those
things exist, but remember Africa is huge. It stands to
reason there would be parts of it where the climate

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is flat out pretty friggin nice. Portugal finds this climate,
try to take this climate in an African tribe. We
won't go into the details of that, fights a valiant
war and bounces the Portuguese. Portugal says, hey man, we're out.
Portugal leaves, but the knowledge is there that there is

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kind of this little honey hole towards southern Africa not
too shabby from there. We will fast forward to the
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back to politics in it in forty five minutes or so.
So Africa, let's go to the late eighteen hundreds. Now
pause before we get to the late eighteen hundreds, there
were a warlike people who started stomping the other African
tribes in southern Africa back in the day. If I

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were to ask you to name one African tribal warlord,
you would probably be able to name zero or one.
And the one you would probably name would be who
do you know, Chris? Do you know Shaka Zulu? Shaka Zulu? Yeah,
you knew it. Most people know their name when you

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say it. So what was Shaka Zulu's deal? Shakazulu was
this incredible warlike leader. He led the Zulus in Africa.
He revolutionized some things about combat back then. We won't
go into the details. It was their spears and the
Africans were used to throwing their spears. They can whatever.

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Shakazulu revolutionized some warlike things, and as happens throughout history,
including today, the more powerful people will eventually begin conquering
the less powerful people around them. He starts beating up
on everyone. All right, Eventually he has somebody who breaks
off from him. He essentially has some one of his
general's rebel. The general rebels and heads north. All right, Now,

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this is the first one of the details I'm going
to have to give you, And the only reason I'm
giving you this detail is it's going to come up later.
In fact, it's probably going to come up multiple times.
We're in the era of Shakazulu, and this is actually
going to be a thread that goes throughout the Rhodesian
Bush War. The people who break off are called the

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Indo Belly. The Indo Belly, don't worry if you don't
remember the name, but that is the warlike tribe that
broke off from Shakazulu. They broke off, they went north.
In case you're wondering, Shakazulu pursued them, kind of broke
off the chase whatever. They went north. Well, remember I
already told you these people were incredibly warlike military advancements,

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and they started slaughtering and subjugating all the other tribes
they came into contact with. I'm not dogging on them.
That's how life was then, and frankly, now we live
in a world of conquest and it was ugly, and
they ran across peaceful tribes and slaughtered them or made
them slaves. They the area that is now known as Zimbabwe,

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and they discover exactly what I just talked to you
about earlier. Wow, it's a it's kind a nice here.
I think I'll stay. And because they were more powerful
than the other tribes, they moved in and set up shop.
Now for the only other tribe, I swear on my life,
I'm only going to give you two tribes because they're

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the two main ones. I could bring other ones to you,
but it would only bore you and you would hate
your life. The Shona, the Shona, two tribes into belly
and Shona into Belly and Shona with me. This is
really going to matter for later on the Indo Belly
move in and they subjugate the Shona. The Shona become

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the Indo Belly slaves, and it can be okay, slavery. Remember,
slavery can run the gamut throughout history. Sometimes slavery means, hey,
you don't get paid, but you're the math tutor for
my son. Here's a nice warm bed, go feed the
horses and teach my son algebra. And sometimes slavery can

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be we'll work you to death in the salt mines.
You'll probably die six months from now. Right, it can
run the gamut. This also could run the gamut. Believe
me when I tell you the Shona people had no
rights whatsoever. You did never say in your government. They
were slaves in every way and in a lot of
ways they were pillaged. But they did come to some
sort of an existence where the Shona understood there were slaves.

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The End of Belly were ruling Zimbabwe. I'm going to
continue to refer to this area as Zimbabwe until it
turns to Rhodesia. So just hang with me. Remember this
as a disclaimer, it was not Zimbabwe at the time.
There was nothing at this time nothing. There was no
nation of any kindness or just tribes. Let's fast forward
now to the eighteen hundreds to late eighteen hundreds. The

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End of Belly are still ruling this area. Some guys
want to go hunt some game in this area controlled
by the Endobelly. Everyone in Africa knew by now the
Indobelly we're calling the shots there. These hunters didn't want
to be disrespectful and they didn't want to end up
on the business end of a spear. So they stopped

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by the headquarters of the Indibelly king and they said, hey,
you've got a lot of animals we want to shoot here.
Can you mind if we give you a little this
little that, you know, they exchange some goods. If it's
okay with you, we're going to go hunt. The king
of the end of Beelly said, hey, thanks for the gifts.
I appreciate it. Yeah, go shoot some game. The guys

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take off. They go have a good time hunting in Africa.
But they find something, and it's so funny how life works.
Sometimes one little discovery can lead to so many other things.
The hunters keep running into tribal peoples and they're wearing gold,
not just one little gold thing, They're wearing a lot

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of gold. The hunters go back, actually they go to
South Africa. South Africa's south of this and they start
talking to people about what they discovered and what their
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this during the break. Obviously, Christmas is coming up, and
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come in. Don't come in. Obviously around Christmas, I'm gonna
I have to take time too. This is gonna be
something you could go back and listen to a couple
of times, listen to with the kids. When you miss me,
I will be back. I'm gonna miss you too, trust me,
I'm gonna miss you too. Back to our story. It's
the late eighteen hundreds. Some hunters just got back from

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Zimbabwe and they found gold, and as the saying goes,
loose lips sink ships. Because the hunters got back from
Zimbabwe and they had done something very smart before they left.
They went to the king and they said, hey, we
kind of like this gold stuff you have going. Would

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you mind if we come back and take some of that.
We're going to give you a cut. We're not trying
to do you wrong. We're going to give you a cut.
We'll bring you this, we'll bring you that. But is
it okay? It'll be really small if we come back
and get some of that gold. The king of the
end of Belly, the ruling tribe at the time, said yeah, sure,
knock yourself out. Go ahead. Okay, the hunters get back

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to South Africa. Now I need to pause for a moment,
and I'm probably gonna end up doing this a couple times,
but I need to explain the geography of what we're
talking about because it's going to matter a lot. So
what I want you to do is I want you
to make a circle in your mind. Don't worry, you
don't have to write it down. You can if you

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want a circle. This circle you just made is a clock,
all right, a clock. Now from about six o'clock to
about eight o'clock that border is South Africa to the south,

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kind of the southwest. From six o'clock all the way
to about twelve o'clock that is Mozambique. That is going
to be huge for the purposes of our story. But
I'll come back to it to worry about memorizing that now.
The other two countries are not as important. Just know

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that north because it will come up. Is Zambia, all right, Zambia, Mozambique,
South Africa. The hunters go back to South Africa six
and eight o'clock. Okay. Instead of shutting their mouths about
the gold in the agreement they got, they start to talk.

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And that was a really bad idea. Because there was
a man in South Africa who had an unbelievable amount
of money and power and humanted more of it. And
his name was Cecil Roads or Cecil Roads. All these
names are pronounced differently depending on what you're listening to
a reading. I'm gonna call him Cecil Roads because that

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was the most common. Who was Cecil Roads? First, he
was a brit The Brits are going to play a
huge part. This is a British story, really a British story.
He was a major, major power player in Britain, super
wealthy guy. Now what's he doing over there? Well, this
is the late eighteen hundreds. Britain is aware that most

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of their colonial age has probably passed it by, but
they haven't given up the game yet. They still want
to find other lands, far off lands to take over,
to mind, to find a place for their people to
you know, they're an empire that likes to expand. Britain
also had something else they did, and they did it

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very very well, very successfully. Multiple times throughout their history.
They would almost allow their conquests to be privatized in
a way where you can go conquer this land, no, no,
take some British people, raise an army if you like.
In fact, we want you to, and you have our permission,

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but we're not really officially doing it, you see, we're
washing our hands of it. If you would like to
go do something and it works out, we'll be there
to help out and of course take over in the end.
Cecil Roads he essentially steals this agreement from these hunters

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and Cecil Roads decides he likes the idea of this
Zimbabwe place. He likes the climate. He thinks agriculture could
get big there. Mining is very clearly going to get
big there. By the way, Zimbabi ended up being really
big on things like chrome and stuff like that. But
Cecil Roads is one of these you'd call him a

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billionaire type conquistador is a cent what he was so
Central Road or Cecil Roads does something. He goes to
the King of Zimbabwe, the exact same king the miners
had dealt with, and he, in a way, I guess,
rips him off. Maybe maybe not. Here's how the deal went. Hey,

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you know how these hunters we're gonna mine a little
bit here. We're not we'd like to mine a lot here.
And I understand your concerns about this. King. I totally
get that it's your land. Wanna be clear it's your land.
Just to prove to you that it's your land, because
we're gonna be bringing all these people through here. We'll

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build you some roads. We're gonna have roads and stuff
like that. We're gonna give you some guns as well.
They didn't necessarily specify the age of the guns. But
these are people with shields and spears. Hey, King, I know,
you like to rule over the people around you. How
about some superior weaponry. They even promised him they would

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bring him a a gun boat that went up the river.
They didn't end up delivering on the gunboat, but they
did bring some guns. The king call him naive be
Hindsights twenty twenty, says, you know what I like the
sounds of that. I want some roads, I want some guns.
Come on in. Cecil Roads raises what essentially amounts to

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an entire civil society for this invasion. When I say
civil society, I mean there are troops, but there are
more than troops. There are doctors, there are lawyers, there
are miners. There's really every major aspect of the society
you can think of, if any society you can think of,
certainly a modern society. Cecil Roads raises these people from

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South Africa, from Britain, they come from all other places.
But this is actually going to be an important part
of the story as well. I find it fascinating. It's
almost like a like a weird society that was grown
in a lab. He wasn't grabbing the dregs of every society.
He wasn't emptying the prisons or grabbing this guy who

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was down on his luck. He actually went to the
high class society, people established families, wealthy families, educated people,
and he said, hey, your son's a doctor, Come on down, Hey,
do you want a lot of farmland your daughter? He

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took what essentially amounted to the cream of the crop
and invaded Zimbabwe with the permission of the king, with
all of these people, and he starts carving roads in
a Zimbabwe. He starts building armies. This is all done
with the permission of the British crown. And again it's

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just cheaper and easier for the British Crown to say, hey, cecil,
have at it. You have our permission. We're not gonna bother.
We're not sending our people. You just go and they
this society, we'll call it five hundred people, because that's
roughly how many he came and with originally walk into
this country, totally foreign country. You have a king in

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this tribe, and the king has a slave tribe that's
under him, and you have all this other stuff, and
they start hacking out a living in the middle of
this wild African land. It wasn't again known as Zimbabwe
at this time, but they would have one day be
known as Zimbabwe. Now there eventually began to be some

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chafing with the relationships. We'll talk about some chafing next.
This is a Jesse Kelly show. It is the Jesse
Kelly Show on a fantastic, fantastic Tuesday. We are almost
to the end of our ore, our first hour on

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the Rhodesian Bush where I know it's the second hour
of the show. I'm just gonna do ten more minutes
on this and then we'll return to the story tomorrow.
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of stuff to get to, the administrative state and layoffs
and Marjorie Taylor Green and emails and other things. But

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back to our story here, all right. So these this
society of miners and troops and things like that under
Cecil roads. They go into Zimbabwe. They strike an agreement
with the king. This is the late eighteen hundreds. Remember
eighteen nineties. I already told you there are two different
African tribes here. There's more than two, but for the

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sake of simplicity, there's two major ones, the Indo Belly,
the ruling tribe and the Shona, the less powerful tribe.
In eighteen ninety three, a tribal war breaks out. Now
I need to set something up before the tribal war
breaks out. I need to explain that in these early

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years for the settlers or colonizers or whatever you want
to call them, for cecil Roads in the Crew, this
is not at all a pleasant time of plenty, not
at all. This is a completely uncivilized place as far
as civilization goes. For them, it's hard to get supplies in.

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They are having to essentially carve out civilization from nothing,
and it's tough sledding, very very very tough. So these
are people, believe me, They're not sitting around being fanned
by African slaves. They are working their fingers to the bone.
There is disease, there is deprivation. It's very very hard. Now,

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eighteen ninety three, these two tribes breakout in the war
I say a war, but as per usual, the Indibelli
were more powerful at the time. In the Endobelly start
to slaughter the Shona who had been their slaves, and

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a different kind of a slaughter than the Europeans were
used to. I'm gonna refer to them as Europeans a lot,
because that's mainly the background of these people. They watched
children being burned alive by the Endabelly. The Endibelli were
given orders by their king, Hey, don't lay a finger

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on the Europeans. Go ahead, slaughter the Shona, kill them all.
I don't care, but whatever you do, do not touch
the Europeans. He was very aware that he was in
a dangerous situation and should not offend the Europeans. But
remember that talk we had after Hamas invaded Israel on

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October seventh, in what was a raid. Remember that talk
we had about how there's a way of doing things,
about how you're gonna have a hard time finding a
sympathetic ear. If you can't stop yourself from burning babies
in an oven when people come across that, you're gonna

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ruin your reputation. Let's just say the ind of Belly
ruined their reputation. They were essentially spearing pregnant women five
feet away from Europeans. The Europeans are looking at this
and they cannot believe what they're seeing. Now, in defense,

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I can't believe I'm about to say this. In defense
of the Endobelly who were doing the spearing and burning.
That's how it had always been in Africa with these
tribal wars. That's how tribal wars had all looked. That's
how they'd always sounded. It was always slaughter, it was
always horrible. They were doing what they had always done.

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But the Europeans certainly were not used to that way
of living, and they certainly had not been introduced to it.
Right in front of them, they are freaking mortified. The
Europeans are mortified, and they decide, Okay, I can see
we're gonna have to square things away here. The Europeans

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have had enough of this, and they arm the army.
I know the end of Belly have some guns already,
but they didn't have something called the Maxim gun. The
Maxim gun is one of the first known machine guns
that was ever employed. And that war went about like
you would expect. The Europeans step in and say, you

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guys are freaking savages and this is no longer your area.
We are not going to handle that. We are not
going to allow this. You're going to die. The Indobelly
fight a war against the Europeans, and it went about
like you would expect. Yes, the Europeans lost a patrol.
They got two cocky. This twenty man patrol went out

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and got surrounded by a thousand indibelly and got slaughtered
and it was ugly thing. But for the most part,
the Europeans just absolutely mopped the floor with the Indo belly,
wipe them out. Gone, and in their minds because of
the slaughter they had witnessed before, they felt like they
had every justification now to do what they'd always wanted,

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and let's be honest, it's what they always wanted. Create
a new colony, a new country. They were already colonizing it.
But that gave them everything they needed to say, we
are in charge now. King, you're no longer the king.
You don't rule anything here. Europeans, we now own this country.

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But this is a very very big country, a very
very big country. At one point in our story, when
this unchartered land becomes Rhodesia, and it's about to become
Rhodesia tomorrow, they're going to have a two thousand mile border.

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Two thousand miles. Don't think of this place as some
tiny little place. It is a place that is gigantic
with mountains, and rivers in thick woods, and it's a huge,
huge place. There aren't that many of them. How do
you start a country from what amounts to essentially nothing.

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You've got teachers, you've got doctors, you got miners, you
got things like that. But you have to start the
process of a whole new country. And that process begins tomorrow,
and it'll be bloody too before we get to that.
Life would have been so much easier. What Chris if

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