December 11, 2025 • 37 mins
How commies helped split Rhodesia wide open.
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
This is a Jesse Kelly show. It is the Jesse
Kelly Show, and wooo indeed it is time to do history.
I will be back with more politics in the final hour,
where we're going to talk about the COVID shot information
that's coming out another museum. Heighist, medical schools are horrible,
(00:33):
people are leaving college. I'll get to emails. All that
stuff is coming, but it ain't coming right now because
it is our two and we are smack dab in
the middle of our history on the Rhodesian Bush War.
Again reminding you parts one and part two with all
kinds of background that was last night and the night before.
(00:54):
You got to go download the podcast if you want that.
I think you will find it helpful. Not a requirement
at all to understand kind of where we're at now
where we pick up today, but I think it would
be incredibly helpful. Now, let's talk about the state of Rhodesia.
Let's first talk about voting, shall we. I posed a
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question to you last night at the end of our
little history segment. I pose the question to you about us,
about our country, your country, my country, who should be
able to vote? And I think we agreed last night
that there should be some restrictions. Right. We may disagree
(01:40):
on what those restrictions might be. But you don't want
ten year olds to have a vote, right. You don't
want felons sitting in the joint getting ready to go
to the electric chair tomorrow. You don't want them to
have a vote.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Right.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
You don't want illegals to vote to you. Okay, So
no matter what you agree, there should be some restrictions. Now,
I'm gonna play you something. I know we're doing history,
but I'm gonna play you something. I played it last hour.
Here's Shri Indiana Jones of Michigan. I am sick of
your lies. The American people are sick of these lies.
(02:16):
American people demand truth America. Is there do you think
if we add higher voting standards in this country that
Shri Indiana Jones would be a member of Congress? Play it, Chris,
you know what? Give me a favorite, Chris grab Hank
(02:37):
Johnson guam ticking tipping over. We haven't played that one
in ages. It's years and years and years old. I
think this might be ten years old. The reason I
bring it up is Hank Johnson just got done calling
America the Great Satan.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
We are the world's number one bully, and we're using
our immits on rifled power two rule over those who
have less power, and we're doing it with impunity. And
this sends a shocking message to the world that America
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is indeed the what did what did they used to
call the Great Hand of Satan or something.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
That's the same Hank Johnson back in the day who
said this, this.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Is a island that at its widest level is what
twelve miles from shore to shore, and at the smallest
level or smallest location, it's seven miles.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
Between one shore and the other.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Is that correct? I don't have the exact dimensions, but
to your point, sir, I think Guam is a small island.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
Yeah. My fear is that the whole island will become
so overly populated that it will tip over and capsize.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
We don't anticipate that.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Let me ask you an honest question, funny as that is,
if we had higher voting standards in this country, do
you think that person would still be in Congress making
decisions on laws that govern the most powerful country on
the planet, of course not. Rhodesia was the wealthiest country
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in all of Africa, as I mentioned several times, already
paved roads, won schools, doctors, lawyers, great standard of living.
You would have thought you were in any modern American city.
All the rest of Africa, not all of it, but
most of the rest of Africa living in backwards conditions.
And then there's this jewel in Rhodesia. So who got
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to pick the government of Rhodesia. Well, there were changes
over time, by the way, but in general, you had
to qualify to vote, and contrary to what all the
do gooder commis around the world said at the time,
part of the qualification was not the color of your skin,
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but there were literacy requirements, property qualifications, you had to
be a subject of the British Empire. There were things,
and I don't want to get too specific, because they changed.
You know, pre nineteen sixty one they were more strict
than Rhodesia trying to roll back things started to ease
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those restrictions. But you know, on the voting rolls, for instance,
in nineteen sixty one, there were ninety five thousand white
people who were able to vote and there were twenty
two hundred Black Africans who were able to vote. It
was not barring any skin color, but because the qualifications
were what they were, because there were standards, a large
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percentage of the white Europeans in Rhodesia could vote and
a very small percentage of the Black Africans could vote.
Now that sounds extremely discriminatory, doesn't it. That sounds wrong.
Surely everybody who reaches the age of eighteen should have
a say in the government, right. And the reason I
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bring this up is it's going to become a central
theme of our story. Rhodesia didn't see it that way.
Rhodesia enjoyed its standard of living, enjoyed the kind of
country it was. But here's a problem, you see, and
it's a big problem. You've heard of the Labor government,
the Labor Party, I should say, of Britain. I've told
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you before, that's their Democrats, that's their Communist Party. Those
are the ones who run Britain. Now, that's why they're
massively importing Muslims from all over the planet to form
rape gangs, to pillage the British women. The Labor Party,
well in the nineteen sixties, there are things going on
globally that are going to essentially doom Rhodesia in the end,
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and one of those things is the Labor Party was
running things in Britain. Combine that with this, the airfingers
quote civil rights movement globally is really really reaching its peak.
Now why did I say airfingers quote Because the civil
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rights movement surely was only good, right, and I think
you would agree with me that, Yeah, it's probably not
great to have black people eating at different restaurants, and
that's not a great way to run society. That's not
a just way to run society. The reason I gave
the airfingers quote thing on it was, well, remember what
we talked about last hour. I've spoken before about this
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many times. Let me use the example I've used before
in Montana in the Rocky Mountains. If you hike through
the Rocky Mountains in an area full of boulders, you
will inevitably come across one that looks It looks like
God pulled out his sword and sliced it in half.
It's not just broken, it's this clean, smooth break, and
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it's odd looking. We're talking about a boulder the size
of your car sliced in two. Only God didn't use
his sword. You see over time that boulder developed a
little crack, not big, you might not even really see
it with your eye, a little crack. What happened from there? Water, inevitably,
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maybe it's snow melting, maybe it's rain. Water would get
in it, and then one night the temperature would drop
to such a degree that water would freeze. When water freezes,
it expands. When it expanded, pop the rock shattered into
This is exactly what communists do in every single society.
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They find existing cracks, legitimate cracks, by the way, oftentimes
legitimate cracks. They find the cracks in your society, they
get inside of that crack and they try to freeze
it to shatter the society. And the global communists most definitely,
the Soviets recognize the civil rights movement, not just in
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America but other places, but the civil rights movement as
an incredible opportunity for them to shatter the country, and
they got involve They were very focused about being involved
in it. They viewed it as an opportunity to break America,
to break Western civilization. This was going on in many
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different countries in the nineteen sixties. Now I already laid
out the government of Rhodesia at the time. How do
you think their government, how do you think that's landing
with the global civil rights do gooders on the planet.
Let me spoil it for you. It ain't landing well
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the nineteen sixties. The civil rights movement across the globe
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has been invaded and infected by communists doing the best
they can to divide Western society. And of course Britain
has their Communists as well. We have our Democrats. They
have their Labor Party, the Labor government in Britain. They
don't like the look of Rhodesia right now. Yeah, of
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course it's wealthy, it's prosperous, it's clean, it's wonderful. But
not everyone gets to vote. In fact, not very many
black Africans get to vote, Lots of white Europeans get
to vote, and so they start pushing. Remember at this point,
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Rhodesia is a British colony. I cannot stress that enough,
a British colony, meaning they are under the British crown.
Britain says, uh, how about one man, one vote, everyone
gets to vote. Well, the government, the people of Rhodesia,
they understandably said, excuse me, look around at Africa. Do
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you have any idea what's going to happen if we
allow everybody to have a vote with no property requirements
and no nothing of it. Do you understand what will
happen here? The whole place will be over all this prosperity.
The communists didn't want to hear it. One man, one vote,
one man, one vote, over and over and over and
over again. Now Rhodesia has to make a choice. And
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keep in mind that I'm really skipping over some boring
political negotiation. But Rhodesia's government they were trying as hard
as they could to do whatever they had to do
to work with Britain, so they didn't have to do
well what they're about to do. Meaning in nineteen sixty one,
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they even changed how they do the voting. They didn't
change it completely, but they opened it up a little
bit more, kind of introduced tiars to it. You could
be in the A tier. The beat again. Their work.
They're trying to massage the situation without giving up their country.
Britain did not want to hear it. The Communists in
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Britain did not want to hear it, and they said, no,
you will do this, and so Rhodesia they rebelled. There's
no other way to put it. In nineteen sixty five,
rhodesha said, yeah, we're not a British colony anymore. Now
we're ours, We're Rhodesia, we're independent and this is how
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we're going to run things. Now. Now pause for a second.
You have probably heard of the SAS before, the Special
Air Service. If you have not, you should know that
that is the British version of the Navy Seals. And
in fact they came about really because of the British
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fighting in Northern Africa. They were the guys parachuting behind
enemy lines doing all kinds of you know, special operations stuff.
They are to this day, bad to the bone, bad dudes.
The British sas well up to this point. Remember we're
in the sixties. Rhodesia's military they would work hand in
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hand with Britain's military because again it's a British colony,
and Rhodesia had an SAS as well that trained with
the British sas. Super super bad dudes, you get what
I'm saying. Rhodesia declares independence in nineteen sixty five, is
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so angry about this, they actually consider a military response
to the open rebellion of the Rhodesian country of the
Rhodesian government, and they approached the British sas and start
talking to them about it. The British sas had such
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a level of respect for the Rhodesians they had trained
with and worked with, the British government essentially faced a
mutiny from within their own high level sas. The guys
weren't going to go Na, I'm good, I'm not. You
want me to attack Rhodesia. Nah, Now you got to
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do something. If you're the British government, right, you can't
let open rebellion go, especially these white racists in Rhodesia.
And again, I want to remind you of something I
reminded you of last night. Over half half of the
Rhodesian army was Black Africans. This is not a white
versus black thing. How it was sold to the planet.
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Black Africans died with their European brothers in this war.
Europeans would give their lives to save Black Africans in
this war. This wasn't some Nazi that's not at all
how it was. Yes, there were fewer black voters, no
question about it. It was not a white versus black thing. Anyway,
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Britain has to do something. So they essentially get the world,
that really most of the civilized world, to sanction Rhodesia.
This is a country that is landlocked. Keep in mind
they have no access to water, anything like that. Britain
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slaps sanctions strict ones on Rhodesia. Now this would normally
be about the end of any landlocked country, but Rhodesia,
to their credit, they had a couple friends and those
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Nineteen sixty five, Rhodija declares it's independence. Britain is upset.
To put it mildly, they get the rest of the world,
and they themselves slap crippling sanctions on Rhodesia, or I
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should say what should be crippling sanctions on Rhodesia. But
Rhodesia has a couple of friends. Now we need to
do something that I did with you the first night,
but we're probably going to do this a couple more
times because you have to visualize this. You don't have
to look at a map. You can, but I want
you to draw a circle in your mind, or maybe
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you can draw one if you're a visual person. I
want you to make this a clock. Okay, so it's
a clock. Now. From twelve o'clock to six o'clock, that's
obviously half the clock. There is a country known as Mozambique,
all right, Mozambique. From twelve o'clock over to let's call
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it ten o'clock, there is a country known as Zambia.
All right. From six o'clock to about eight o'clock there
is South Africa. Why am I doing this slame clock
thing because it matters so much for our story. South Africa.
We will begin there. South Africa and Rhodesia are as
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tight as tight can get. There are so many South
Africans in Rhodesia. They love each other, they work together,
they have similar forms. They are best, best, best freaking friends.
As far as countries go. South Africa is a friend.
When these sanctions get slapped on Rhodesia, South Africa steps
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up and says, hey, we got you, sell us your stuff.
We'll continue to trade with each other. South Africa also
has and this will definitely matter for our story throughout
our story. They have that wonderful, wonderful liquid gold known
as oil. They keep Rhodesia's well supplied with oil. They
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have a friend. Now, let's go to Mozambique. Remember the
twelve o'clock to six o'clock, big, big border with Rhodesia.
They're also friendly because Mozambique at this point, and this
will change. Spoiler alert, this is going to change. Mozambique
is run by the Portuguese, all right, the Portuguese Rhodesia.
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They get along. They are still working with each other, trading.
Zambia the country in the northwest. Forget about them. We
are going to get to them. They're going to be
featured here shortly. But Rhodesia has friends. What's the result
of this. They declare independence. All these sanctions they're supposed
to be bankrupted, Rhodesia's flourishing, flourishing. They win independent and
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they're getting along really, really well. Now we have to
go globally again because this will matter for the rest
of our story. Communists, it's a religion of destruction and domination.
As we've talked about so many times before, communism was
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never supposed to be about any one country. Communism was
always designed, always pushed as being a global thing. At
this point in history, the Soviet Union is Chernin and
burning China, Chernin and burnin. These are communist countries and
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they are very very interested in spreading their communism globally.
And they are then, just as they are now, very
very interested in the continent of Africa. Africa is gigantic,
it is strategically located. They have all kinds of resources
that every country wants. The communist nations on the planet
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want Africa, and they want all of it. And they
recognize eyes there's an opportunity here. We have this country
called Rhodesia. Britain has cut them off, and there's a crack,
isn't there. We're ready to discuss that crack. There are
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all kinds of little villages and African reservations, essentially in Rhodesia,
some black Africans who have not had a standard of
living equal to the white Europeans. There's enough of a
crack there that can be exploited. And now terrorism starts.
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Terrorism mainly from Zambia. Zambia. Remember it's that twelve o'clock
to ten o'clock the northwestern border, that's Zambia. The Soviets
and the Chinese both form groups African con munist, African nationalists,
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whatever word you want to put on it, African groups,
and they decide they're going to have a go at
conquering Rhodesia. And they weren't even that subtle about it.
The Soviets freaking gave them tanks. They would send advisors,
Chinese advisors, Soviet advisors. How involved are the Soviets in
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Chinese and this will matter for the rest of our story.
They would take African leaders and they would ship them
to places like the Soviet Union, like China, like East Germany,
and they would ship them there for training. And I
mean in depth training, not just weapons training, not just
battle tactics. I'm talking about insurgency tactics, communist tactics. How
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do you infect a place, how do you infiltrate a place?
How do you destroy a place? Training camps for the
Africans put on by the Soviets and the Chinese, and
the poor Rhodesians don't even understand what is about to
come their way, but they do. The night, a white farmer,
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it's nineteen sixty six, a white farmer and his wife,
they are ambushed and slaughtered on their farm. I need
to set up something here. I already mentioned. Rhodesia is
a huge country. I mentioned that last night, not so
much night. This is a very very big place. It's
not a small country. And they of course have these cities,
these urban areas. But as I've said, farming, agriculture, it's
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such a wonderful land for that. It is just made
for that. It was a huge part of their economy,
huge part of what they did. And there were these
huge farms that the Europeans ran and owned, and they had,
of course Africans working on their Black Africans working with them,
things like that. But these farms, as you can imagine,
you can't put a farm in the middle of the city.
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They are rural, rural farms. They're out there, they're in
the hinterlands, right next to the cop shop. This creates
a security nightmare for Rhodesian farmers. There will come a
day we're not there yet in our story where farmers
will have twelve foot high security fences all around their
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homes because they were worried their kids couldn't go to
the yard without a bunch of guerrillas chopping them up
with machetes. That's how dangerous this situation is. But they
don't know this yet, right because the terror hasn't started. Well,
the terror just began nineteen sixty six, white farmer and
his wife butchered, butchered, and the Communists in Africa, in
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the Soviet Union in China, they want the terror to increase,
and they found I was about to say an unlikely ally,
but anyone even vaguely familiar with our political situation in
the United States of America will understand it's the most
likely the ally in the world. Wouldn't you know it,
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Young college girls started to help the international communists smuggle
in weapons they could use to commit acts of terror.
As I have said many times, there is no more vicious,
violent communist on the planet than the liberal white woman.
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It's just a fact. So we will continue with all
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to our story of the Rhodesian bush War, terrorist attacks
have begun. Russia has their own group of African nationalists communists.
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China has their group of African Nationalists communists. They are
receiving training now. Again, it's not that I'm apologizing, but
I'm just gonna drop more details on you because the
details are actually necessary. Most of the time, details kill
a story. But you have to understand this. Two different
groups of African nationalists communists. Okay, there is Zapu. I'm
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not gonna go into what it stands for. That's a detail,
doesn't matter. Zapoo backed by the Soviets. Then there's Zanu
backed by the Chinese. Don't worry about making sure you
know who's back by who. Zapu backed by the Soviets,
Zanu backed by the Chinese. These organizations, as I said,
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are being trained by the Soviets in the Chinese in
infiltration tactics. Rhodesia is not fully aware of it yet,
but war has already been declared on them by the
Soviets in the Chinese, who want to make Rhodesia a
communist country, and they start by sending rebels over the border.
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In fact, let me give you a summary of how
this war is going to go. Not to spoil the ending,
but you probably get it by now. Let me give
you a summary of how this war is going to go.
There aren't that many white Europeans in Rhodesia, right, two
hundred thousand, give or take two hundred thousand of them.
It's not that big of a military. Twenty thousand again
give or take. It's going to depend on the time
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period twenty thousand. In the military, the Communists are going
to start setting up shop in the countries around Rhodesia,
and they're going to start making incursions into the country.
The military is going to fly out and kill this
incursion and kill that incursion. They find ten guys here
and twenty guys there, and they find this, and they
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find that. But over time, as the world retreats on
poor Rhodesia, the incursions increase in volume, increase in frequency.
You understand, this is the very beginning of it. We're
in like nineteen sixty six here. What's happening now is
the Rhodesian military, which is elite, absolutely elite. There are
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a few different elements to the military. I want to
mention right now. They have an air force. Remember when
I said South Africa and Rhodesia are super tight. About
half of the Rhodesian air Force is actually South Africa,
South African pilots, South African planes. That's how tight they are.
That will matter later on. So there's an air force.
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They have the Rhodesian Light Infantry. Again, I want to
stress over half of the Rhodesian Light Infantry were Black Africans.
This is not a white versus blaar. The Rhodesian Light
Infantry amazing troops, amazing troops again, outdoor people, rugged people,
mandatory military service. They were amazing troops. And then there
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were actually two different kind of special Operations Forces, special
Green Berets, Navy seals. Okay, there were the Rhodesian sas
I already mentioned them earlier, bad dudes. And then there
is another group super super cool called the cell Us
Scouts or Seleuse Scouts. I've heard it pronounced a thousand
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different ways as I was doing my research for the show.
These are all excellent units, top tier units. They are
having no problem hunting down and wiping out these rebels
right now because there simply aren't enough of them. You
should know, the first group of rebels who came across
the border was not a big group, got hunted down
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and annihilated almost immediately. They get located, it down annihilated.
The air force is used, helicopters are used to they
have to stay mobile because there aren't enough of them
to just be stationed all over the country. They have
to put them in various spots and then be ready
to hop on a plane, hop on a helicopter, and
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get where you're going. The use of parachutes and helicopters
is something that will last throughout this war. All right,
group comes in, gets wiped out, group comes in, gets
wiped out. The Communists, though they're starting to get smarter
as they fail. What they had initially tried to do was,
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as I mentioned, terrorist tactics. Hey, let's butcher a farmer
in the family, let's throw a let's throw a bomb
in an ice cream shopt just basic what you would
kind of recognize today as more Ghati terror tactics. But
the Rhodesian military, the Rhodesian intelligence service was so good
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the these tactics weren't working that great. They wanted the
Kamis needed more power, and so they started to do something.
They started to set up secret camps inside of the country,
inside Rhodesia. Remember it's a huge place, so you don't
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just send in ten idiots from Zambia. You try to
set up camps inside. Now, we were about to get
to a point where it's going to get very difficult
on the Rhodesians. But they're definitely winning right now. And
a huge part of why they're winning is these Kami
terrorists are coming from Zambia, virtually all of them from Zambia,
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because Zambia is the one that's not a friend. Well,
the border between Zambia and Rhodesia is a big river.
Rivers help provide security because they're hard to cross. They're
hard to cross unknown, that's for sure. The understand if
they simply keep this river monitored, keep your patrols up there,
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you should be able to locate and snuff out all
the COMMI terrorists, either as they're coming or shortly after
they come. You hunt them down, you snuff them out.
And I mentioned earlier the sell Us Scouts Seluse Scouts.
I'm just gonna call the sell Us Scouts. I went
to community college. They did so much cool stuff. One
(36:28):
of the things they were so good at the SAS two.
But it was tracking. It's wild when you read the books,
how these guys would track. They'd be out there in
the bush and they'd come across sign that terrorist groups
had come, and they would just start hunting them like
they were animals for a day, two days, three days,
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following the tracks like like bloodhounds, and then they'd finally
find them. You make a phone call, you bring in
the troops, you kill them all, you find them, make
a phone call. I'll bring in the troops, kill them all.
And I know we're about to be done with our story.
I'm going to get back to politics. Sometimes wounded terrorists
trying to get back to Zambia would be eaten by
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crocodiles in the rivers. One guy I read a story
about he was wounded, got hunted down by a lion wild.
What's happening? But tomorrow something will happen that will spell
eventually disaster for the Rhodesians. That's gonna have to wait
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till tomorrow, or wait Monday, Chris, Monday, not Tuesday. No,
we're not making them wait till tuesday. That's not right. No,
No tomorrow or Monday. We'll do it Monday, all right.
Our story continues on Monday. Back to politics next
This is a Jesse Kelly show. It is the Jesse
Kelly Show, and wooo indeed it is time to do history.
I will be back with more politics in the final hour,
where we're going to talk about the COVID shot information
that's coming out another museum. Heighist, medical schools are horrible,
(00:33):
people are leaving college. I'll get to emails. All that
stuff is coming, but it ain't coming right now because
it is our two and we are smack dab in
the middle of our history on the Rhodesian Bush War.
Again reminding you parts one and part two with all
kinds of background that was last night and the night before.
(00:54):
You got to go download the podcast if you want that.
I think you will find it helpful. Not a requirement
at all to understand kind of where we're at now
where we pick up today, but I think it would
be incredibly helpful. Now, let's talk about the state of Rhodesia.
Let's first talk about voting, shall we. I posed a
(01:19):
question to you last night at the end of our
little history segment. I pose the question to you about us,
about our country, your country, my country, who should be
able to vote? And I think we agreed last night
that there should be some restrictions. Right. We may disagree
(01:40):
on what those restrictions might be. But you don't want
ten year olds to have a vote, right. You don't
want felons sitting in the joint getting ready to go
to the electric chair tomorrow. You don't want them to
have a vote.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
Right.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
You don't want illegals to vote to you. Okay, So
no matter what you agree, there should be some restrictions. Now,
I'm gonna play you something. I know we're doing history,
but I'm gonna play you something. I played it last hour.
Here's Shri Indiana Jones of Michigan. I am sick of
your lies. The American people are sick of these lies.
(02:16):
American people demand truth America. Is there do you think
if we add higher voting standards in this country that
Shri Indiana Jones would be a member of Congress? Play it, Chris,
you know what? Give me a favorite, Chris grab Hank
(02:37):
Johnson guam ticking tipping over. We haven't played that one
in ages. It's years and years and years old. I
think this might be ten years old. The reason I
bring it up is Hank Johnson just got done calling
America the Great Satan.
Speaker 2 (02:52):
We are the world's number one bully, and we're using
our immits on rifled power two rule over those who
have less power, and we're doing it with impunity. And
this sends a shocking message to the world that America
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is indeed the what did what did they used to
call the Great Hand of Satan or something.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
That's the same Hank Johnson back in the day who
said this, this.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Is a island that at its widest level is what
twelve miles from shore to shore, and at the smallest
level or smallest location, it's seven miles.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
Between one shore and the other.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Is that correct? I don't have the exact dimensions, but
to your point, sir, I think Guam is a small island.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
Yeah. My fear is that the whole island will become
so overly populated that it will tip over and capsize.
Speaker 3 (04:24):
We don't anticipate that.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Let me ask you an honest question, funny as that is,
if we had higher voting standards in this country, do
you think that person would still be in Congress making
decisions on laws that govern the most powerful country on
the planet, of course not. Rhodesia was the wealthiest country
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in all of Africa, as I mentioned several times, already
paved roads, won schools, doctors, lawyers, great standard of living.
You would have thought you were in any modern American city.
All the rest of Africa, not all of it, but
most of the rest of Africa living in backwards conditions.
And then there's this jewel in Rhodesia. So who got
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to pick the government of Rhodesia. Well, there were changes
over time, by the way, but in general, you had
to qualify to vote, and contrary to what all the
do gooder commis around the world said at the time,
part of the qualification was not the color of your skin,
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but there were literacy requirements, property qualifications, you had to
be a subject of the British Empire. There were things,
and I don't want to get too specific, because they changed.
You know, pre nineteen sixty one they were more strict
than Rhodesia trying to roll back things started to ease
(06:02):
those restrictions. But you know, on the voting rolls, for instance,
in nineteen sixty one, there were ninety five thousand white
people who were able to vote and there were twenty
two hundred Black Africans who were able to vote. It
was not barring any skin color, but because the qualifications
were what they were, because there were standards, a large
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percentage of the white Europeans in Rhodesia could vote and
a very small percentage of the Black Africans could vote.
Now that sounds extremely discriminatory, doesn't it. That sounds wrong.
Surely everybody who reaches the age of eighteen should have
a say in the government, right. And the reason I
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bring this up is it's going to become a central
theme of our story. Rhodesia didn't see it that way.
Rhodesia enjoyed its standard of living, enjoyed the kind of
country it was. But here's a problem, you see, and
it's a big problem. You've heard of the Labor government,
the Labor Party, I should say, of Britain. I've told
(07:09):
you before, that's their Democrats, that's their Communist Party. Those
are the ones who run Britain. Now, that's why they're
massively importing Muslims from all over the planet to form
rape gangs, to pillage the British women. The Labor Party,
well in the nineteen sixties, there are things going on
globally that are going to essentially doom Rhodesia in the end,
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and one of those things is the Labor Party was
running things in Britain. Combine that with this, the airfingers
quote civil rights movement globally is really really reaching its peak.
Now why did I say airfingers quote Because the civil
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rights movement surely was only good, right, and I think
you would agree with me that, Yeah, it's probably not
great to have black people eating at different restaurants, and
that's not a great way to run society. That's not
a just way to run society. The reason I gave
the airfingers quote thing on it was, well, remember what
we talked about last hour. I've spoken before about this
(08:16):
many times. Let me use the example I've used before
in Montana in the Rocky Mountains. If you hike through
the Rocky Mountains in an area full of boulders, you
will inevitably come across one that looks It looks like
God pulled out his sword and sliced it in half.
It's not just broken, it's this clean, smooth break, and
(08:39):
it's odd looking. We're talking about a boulder the size
of your car sliced in two. Only God didn't use
his sword. You see over time that boulder developed a
little crack, not big, you might not even really see
it with your eye, a little crack. What happened from there? Water, inevitably,
(09:01):
maybe it's snow melting, maybe it's rain. Water would get
in it, and then one night the temperature would drop
to such a degree that water would freeze. When water freezes,
it expands. When it expanded, pop the rock shattered into
This is exactly what communists do in every single society.
(09:27):
They find existing cracks, legitimate cracks, by the way, oftentimes
legitimate cracks. They find the cracks in your society, they
get inside of that crack and they try to freeze
it to shatter the society. And the global communists most definitely,
the Soviets recognize the civil rights movement, not just in
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America but other places, but the civil rights movement as
an incredible opportunity for them to shatter the country, and
they got involve They were very focused about being involved
in it. They viewed it as an opportunity to break America,
to break Western civilization. This was going on in many
(10:13):
different countries in the nineteen sixties. Now I already laid
out the government of Rhodesia at the time. How do
you think their government, how do you think that's landing
with the global civil rights do gooders on the planet.
Let me spoil it for you. It ain't landing well
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the nineteen sixties. The civil rights movement across the globe
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has been invaded and infected by communists doing the best
they can to divide Western society. And of course Britain
has their Communists as well. We have our Democrats. They
have their Labor Party, the Labor government in Britain. They
don't like the look of Rhodesia right now. Yeah, of
(12:47):
course it's wealthy, it's prosperous, it's clean, it's wonderful. But
not everyone gets to vote. In fact, not very many
black Africans get to vote, Lots of white Europeans get
to vote, and so they start pushing. Remember at this point,
(13:07):
Rhodesia is a British colony. I cannot stress that enough,
a British colony, meaning they are under the British crown.
Britain says, uh, how about one man, one vote, everyone
gets to vote. Well, the government, the people of Rhodesia,
they understandably said, excuse me, look around at Africa. Do
(13:30):
you have any idea what's going to happen if we
allow everybody to have a vote with no property requirements
and no nothing of it. Do you understand what will
happen here? The whole place will be over all this prosperity.
The communists didn't want to hear it. One man, one vote,
one man, one vote, over and over and over and
over again. Now Rhodesia has to make a choice. And
(13:54):
keep in mind that I'm really skipping over some boring
political negotiation. But Rhodesia's government they were trying as hard
as they could to do whatever they had to do
to work with Britain, so they didn't have to do
well what they're about to do. Meaning in nineteen sixty one,
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they even changed how they do the voting. They didn't
change it completely, but they opened it up a little
bit more, kind of introduced tiars to it. You could
be in the A tier. The beat again. Their work.
They're trying to massage the situation without giving up their country.
Britain did not want to hear it. The Communists in
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Britain did not want to hear it, and they said, no,
you will do this, and so Rhodesia they rebelled. There's
no other way to put it. In nineteen sixty five,
rhodesha said, yeah, we're not a British colony anymore. Now
we're ours, We're Rhodesia, we're independent and this is how
(14:57):
we're going to run things. Now. Now pause for a second.
You have probably heard of the SAS before, the Special
Air Service. If you have not, you should know that
that is the British version of the Navy Seals. And
in fact they came about really because of the British
(15:18):
fighting in Northern Africa. They were the guys parachuting behind
enemy lines doing all kinds of you know, special operations stuff.
They are to this day, bad to the bone, bad dudes.
The British sas well up to this point. Remember we're
in the sixties. Rhodesia's military they would work hand in
(15:39):
hand with Britain's military because again it's a British colony,
and Rhodesia had an SAS as well that trained with
the British sas. Super super bad dudes, you get what
I'm saying. Rhodesia declares independence in nineteen sixty five, is
(16:00):
so angry about this, they actually consider a military response
to the open rebellion of the Rhodesian country of the
Rhodesian government, and they approached the British sas and start
talking to them about it. The British sas had such
(16:23):
a level of respect for the Rhodesians they had trained
with and worked with, the British government essentially faced a
mutiny from within their own high level sas. The guys
weren't going to go Na, I'm good, I'm not. You
want me to attack Rhodesia. Nah, Now you got to
(16:45):
do something. If you're the British government, right, you can't
let open rebellion go, especially these white racists in Rhodesia.
And again, I want to remind you of something I
reminded you of last night. Over half half of the
Rhodesian army was Black Africans. This is not a white
versus black thing. How it was sold to the planet.
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Black Africans died with their European brothers in this war.
Europeans would give their lives to save Black Africans in
this war. This wasn't some Nazi that's not at all
how it was. Yes, there were fewer black voters, no
question about it. It was not a white versus black thing. Anyway,
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Britain has to do something. So they essentially get the world,
that really most of the civilized world, to sanction Rhodesia.
This is a country that is landlocked. Keep in mind
they have no access to water, anything like that. Britain
(17:54):
slaps sanctions strict ones on Rhodesia. Now this would normally
be about the end of any landlocked country, but Rhodesia,
to their credit, they had a couple friends and those
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Nineteen sixty five, Rhodija declares it's independence. Britain is upset.
To put it mildly, they get the rest of the world,
and they themselves slap crippling sanctions on Rhodesia, or I
(20:05):
should say what should be crippling sanctions on Rhodesia. But
Rhodesia has a couple of friends. Now we need to
do something that I did with you the first night,
but we're probably going to do this a couple more
times because you have to visualize this. You don't have
to look at a map. You can, but I want
you to draw a circle in your mind, or maybe
(20:25):
you can draw one if you're a visual person. I
want you to make this a clock. Okay, so it's
a clock. Now. From twelve o'clock to six o'clock, that's
obviously half the clock. There is a country known as Mozambique,
all right, Mozambique. From twelve o'clock over to let's call
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it ten o'clock, there is a country known as Zambia.
All right. From six o'clock to about eight o'clock there
is South Africa. Why am I doing this slame clock
thing because it matters so much for our story. South Africa.
We will begin there. South Africa and Rhodesia are as
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tight as tight can get. There are so many South
Africans in Rhodesia. They love each other, they work together,
they have similar forms. They are best, best, best freaking friends.
As far as countries go. South Africa is a friend.
When these sanctions get slapped on Rhodesia, South Africa steps
(21:38):
up and says, hey, we got you, sell us your stuff.
We'll continue to trade with each other. South Africa also
has and this will definitely matter for our story throughout
our story. They have that wonderful, wonderful liquid gold known
as oil. They keep Rhodesia's well supplied with oil. They
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have a friend. Now, let's go to Mozambique. Remember the
twelve o'clock to six o'clock, big, big border with Rhodesia.
They're also friendly because Mozambique at this point, and this
will change. Spoiler alert, this is going to change. Mozambique
is run by the Portuguese, all right, the Portuguese Rhodesia.
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They get along. They are still working with each other, trading.
Zambia the country in the northwest. Forget about them. We
are going to get to them. They're going to be
featured here shortly. But Rhodesia has friends. What's the result
of this. They declare independence. All these sanctions they're supposed
to be bankrupted, Rhodesia's flourishing, flourishing. They win independent and
(22:49):
they're getting along really, really well. Now we have to
go globally again because this will matter for the rest
of our story. Communists, it's a religion of destruction and domination.
As we've talked about so many times before, communism was
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never supposed to be about any one country. Communism was
always designed, always pushed as being a global thing. At
this point in history, the Soviet Union is Chernin and
burning China, Chernin and burnin. These are communist countries and
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they are very very interested in spreading their communism globally.
And they are then, just as they are now, very
very interested in the continent of Africa. Africa is gigantic,
it is strategically located. They have all kinds of resources
that every country wants. The communist nations on the planet
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want Africa, and they want all of it. And they
recognize eyes there's an opportunity here. We have this country
called Rhodesia. Britain has cut them off, and there's a crack,
isn't there. We're ready to discuss that crack. There are
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all kinds of little villages and African reservations, essentially in Rhodesia,
some black Africans who have not had a standard of
living equal to the white Europeans. There's enough of a
crack there that can be exploited. And now terrorism starts.
(24:38):
Terrorism mainly from Zambia. Zambia. Remember it's that twelve o'clock
to ten o'clock the northwestern border, that's Zambia. The Soviets
and the Chinese both form groups African con munist, African nationalists,
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whatever word you want to put on it, African groups,
and they decide they're going to have a go at
conquering Rhodesia. And they weren't even that subtle about it.
The Soviets freaking gave them tanks. They would send advisors,
Chinese advisors, Soviet advisors. How involved are the Soviets in
(25:23):
Chinese and this will matter for the rest of our story.
They would take African leaders and they would ship them
to places like the Soviet Union, like China, like East Germany,
and they would ship them there for training. And I
mean in depth training, not just weapons training, not just
battle tactics. I'm talking about insurgency tactics, communist tactics. How
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do you infect a place, how do you infiltrate a place?
How do you destroy a place? Training camps for the
Africans put on by the Soviets and the Chinese, and
the poor Rhodesians don't even understand what is about to
come their way, but they do. The night, a white farmer,
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it's nineteen sixty six, a white farmer and his wife,
they are ambushed and slaughtered on their farm. I need
to set up something here. I already mentioned. Rhodesia is
a huge country. I mentioned that last night, not so
much night. This is a very very big place. It's
not a small country. And they of course have these cities,
these urban areas. But as I've said, farming, agriculture, it's
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such a wonderful land for that. It is just made
for that. It was a huge part of their economy,
huge part of what they did. And there were these
huge farms that the Europeans ran and owned, and they had,
of course Africans working on their Black Africans working with them,
things like that. But these farms, as you can imagine,
you can't put a farm in the middle of the city.
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They are rural, rural farms. They're out there, they're in
the hinterlands, right next to the cop shop. This creates
a security nightmare for Rhodesian farmers. There will come a
day we're not there yet in our story where farmers
will have twelve foot high security fences all around their
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homes because they were worried their kids couldn't go to
the yard without a bunch of guerrillas chopping them up
with machetes. That's how dangerous this situation is. But they
don't know this yet, right because the terror hasn't started. Well,
the terror just began nineteen sixty six, white farmer and
his wife butchered, butchered, and the Communists in Africa, in
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the Soviet Union in China, they want the terror to increase,
and they found I was about to say an unlikely ally,
but anyone even vaguely familiar with our political situation in
the United States of America will understand it's the most
likely the ally in the world. Wouldn't you know it,
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Young college girls started to help the international communists smuggle
in weapons they could use to commit acts of terror.
As I have said many times, there is no more vicious,
violent communist on the planet than the liberal white woman.
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It's just a fact. So we will continue with all
this in a moment. Before we continue with any of that,
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to our story of the Rhodesian bush War, terrorist attacks
have begun. Russia has their own group of African nationalists communists.
(30:15):
China has their group of African Nationalists communists. They are
receiving training now. Again, it's not that I'm apologizing, but
I'm just gonna drop more details on you because the
details are actually necessary. Most of the time, details kill
a story. But you have to understand this. Two different
groups of African nationalists communists. Okay, there is Zapu. I'm
(30:41):
not gonna go into what it stands for. That's a detail,
doesn't matter. Zapoo backed by the Soviets. Then there's Zanu
backed by the Chinese. Don't worry about making sure you
know who's back by who. Zapu backed by the Soviets,
Zanu backed by the Chinese. These organizations, as I said,
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are being trained by the Soviets in the Chinese in
infiltration tactics. Rhodesia is not fully aware of it yet,
but war has already been declared on them by the
Soviets in the Chinese, who want to make Rhodesia a
communist country, and they start by sending rebels over the border.
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In fact, let me give you a summary of how
this war is going to go. Not to spoil the ending,
but you probably get it by now. Let me give
you a summary of how this war is going to go.
There aren't that many white Europeans in Rhodesia, right, two
hundred thousand, give or take two hundred thousand of them.
It's not that big of a military. Twenty thousand again
give or take. It's going to depend on the time
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period twenty thousand. In the military, the Communists are going
to start setting up shop in the countries around Rhodesia,
and they're going to start making incursions into the country.
The military is going to fly out and kill this
incursion and kill that incursion. They find ten guys here
and twenty guys there, and they find this, and they
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find that. But over time, as the world retreats on
poor Rhodesia, the incursions increase in volume, increase in frequency.
You understand, this is the very beginning of it. We're
in like nineteen sixty six here. What's happening now is
the Rhodesian military, which is elite, absolutely elite. There are
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a few different elements to the military. I want to
mention right now. They have an air force. Remember when
I said South Africa and Rhodesia are super tight. About
half of the Rhodesian air Force is actually South Africa,
South African pilots, South African planes. That's how tight they are.
That will matter later on. So there's an air force.
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They have the Rhodesian Light Infantry. Again, I want to
stress over half of the Rhodesian Light Infantry were Black Africans.
This is not a white versus blaar. The Rhodesian Light
Infantry amazing troops, amazing troops again, outdoor people, rugged people,
mandatory military service. They were amazing troops. And then there
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were actually two different kind of special Operations Forces, special
Green Berets, Navy seals. Okay, there were the Rhodesian sas
I already mentioned them earlier, bad dudes. And then there
is another group super super cool called the cell Us
Scouts or Seleuse Scouts. I've heard it pronounced a thousand
(33:34):
different ways as I was doing my research for the show.
These are all excellent units, top tier units. They are
having no problem hunting down and wiping out these rebels
right now because there simply aren't enough of them. You
should know, the first group of rebels who came across
the border was not a big group, got hunted down
(33:56):
and annihilated almost immediately. They get located, it down annihilated.
The air force is used, helicopters are used to they
have to stay mobile because there aren't enough of them
to just be stationed all over the country. They have
to put them in various spots and then be ready
to hop on a plane, hop on a helicopter, and
(34:17):
get where you're going. The use of parachutes and helicopters
is something that will last throughout this war. All right,
group comes in, gets wiped out, group comes in, gets
wiped out. The Communists, though they're starting to get smarter
as they fail. What they had initially tried to do was,
(34:39):
as I mentioned, terrorist tactics. Hey, let's butcher a farmer
in the family, let's throw a let's throw a bomb
in an ice cream shopt just basic what you would
kind of recognize today as more Ghati terror tactics. But
the Rhodesian military, the Rhodesian intelligence service was so good
(34:59):
the these tactics weren't working that great. They wanted the
Kamis needed more power, and so they started to do something.
They started to set up secret camps inside of the country,
inside Rhodesia. Remember it's a huge place, so you don't
(35:22):
just send in ten idiots from Zambia. You try to
set up camps inside. Now, we were about to get
to a point where it's going to get very difficult
on the Rhodesians. But they're definitely winning right now. And
a huge part of why they're winning is these Kami
terrorists are coming from Zambia, virtually all of them from Zambia,
(35:45):
because Zambia is the one that's not a friend. Well,
the border between Zambia and Rhodesia is a big river.
Rivers help provide security because they're hard to cross. They're
hard to cross unknown, that's for sure. The understand if
they simply keep this river monitored, keep your patrols up there,
(36:06):
you should be able to locate and snuff out all
the COMMI terrorists, either as they're coming or shortly after
they come. You hunt them down, you snuff them out.
And I mentioned earlier the sell Us Scouts Seluse Scouts.
I'm just gonna call the sell Us Scouts. I went
to community college. They did so much cool stuff. One
(36:28):
of the things they were so good at the SAS two.
But it was tracking. It's wild when you read the books,
how these guys would track. They'd be out there in
the bush and they'd come across sign that terrorist groups
had come, and they would just start hunting them like
they were animals for a day, two days, three days,
(36:49):
following the tracks like like bloodhounds, and then they'd finally
find them. You make a phone call, you bring in
the troops, you kill them all, you find them, make
a phone call. I'll bring in the troops, kill them all.
And I know we're about to be done with our story.
I'm going to get back to politics. Sometimes wounded terrorists
trying to get back to Zambia would be eaten by
(37:13):
crocodiles in the rivers. One guy I read a story
about he was wounded, got hunted down by a lion wild.
What's happening? But tomorrow something will happen that will spell
eventually disaster for the Rhodesians. That's gonna have to wait
(37:34):
till tomorrow, or wait Monday, Chris, Monday, not Tuesday. No,
we're not making them wait till tuesday. That's not right. No,
No tomorrow or Monday. We'll do it Monday, all right.
Our story continues on Monday. Back to politics next
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