August 5, 2025 • 37 mins
Ed Latimore and the hard lessons from the hurt business. How could CNN use an AI version of a corpse to push gun control? They have no morals, it is all in service to the revolution. Why is Trump publicly slapping around India?
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
This is a Jesse Kelly Show.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
It is the.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
Jesse Kelly Show. Another hour of The Jesse Kelly Show on.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
A fantstic, amazing Tuesday. Here's what we're gonna do. We're
gonna talk about the media. Jim Acosta did one of
one of the grosser things I've ever seen from the media.
I'm pretty difficult to shock at this point, but he
managed to pull it off. We'll talk about that in
a moment. We'll make fun of John Cornyn doing exactly
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what I told you he was going to do. We'll
get to some emails. We have heavyweight boxer Ed Lattimore
coming up about a half hour from now. It's always
cool to talk to those guys, heavyweight boxers, and Ed
can actually talk. So many of those heavyweight boxers just
don't talk very well anymore. What Chris, Yeah, Chris, it's
not healthy be punched in the head for a living.
But Ed's wonderful. So we're going to talk to Ed
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and do all kinds of stuff. Now, I'm gonna play
something for you. I could tell you what it is
ahead of time, but I'm gonna play it for you. You
remember who Jim Acosta is. Jim Acosta was the CNN
reporter during Trump's first four years who was always doing
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the theater kid routine during the press conferences, making it
all about him. Just the ultimate theater kid, Just an
embarrassing commie human being. He's sat down. I don't know
if I should say for an interview, but I'll tell
you what. I'll just play it. Be ready to be
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creeped out when I tell you what it.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Is, Boaquin, I would like to know what your solution
would be for gun violence.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
Great question. I believe in a mix of stronger gun
control laws, mental health support, and community engagement. We need
to create safe spaces for conversations and connections, making sure
everyone feels seen and heard. It's about building a culture
of kindness and understanding. What do you think about that?
Speaker 2 (02:10):
I think that's a great idea, Joaquen.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Are you ready to be creeped out?
Speaker 2 (02:16):
You may.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
You may want to go start the shower right now,
because when I tell you what that was, you're going
to need to clean yourself. I'm just warning you. Joaquen Oliver.
Joaquen Oliver was one of the students who was murdered
by that monster in the Florida school shooting Parkland. You
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remember that the Parkland school shooting, Joaquen Oliver lost his
life to a madman. So maybe you're asking how was
Jim Acosta interviewing him and he was spouting off gun
control talking points. Jim Acosta interviewed in AI version of
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Joaquin Oliver, who is dead artificial intelligence. It's not real.
It's a computer model, and Jim Acosta interviewed it. He
interviewed it obviously for gun control propaganda, so you can
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be disarmed. Let me play it for you again. Joaquin
is not real, Joaquin.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
I would like to know what your solution would be
for gun violence.
Speaker 4 (03:39):
Great question. I believe in a mix of stronger gun
control laws, mental health support, and community engagement. We need
to create safe spaces for conversations and connections, making sure
everyone feels seen and heard. It's about building a culture
of kindness and understanding. What do you think about that?
Speaker 2 (03:55):
I think that's a great idea, Joaquin.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
Maybe you're there wondering how any human being could go
to sleep at night knowing they're interviewing AI dead children
in order to push gun control. How could you do that?
I'm just trying to think, what's something I'm majorly passionate
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about pro life. I'm majorly passionate or about pro life.
What if they could create an ai dead baby that
could talk to me and say, I wish mommy hadn't
have killed me. I would never, in a million years
even consider doing something so soulless and creepy and awful
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and evil in every way. These people do this stuff
how they're religious fanatics. They are religious fanatics. I have
told you before, if you want to understand how these
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people really think, you would be better off instead of
studying politics or democrats, or reading this book or that book,
you would be better off studying Islamic jihad. Radical Islamic jihad.
I'm talking about the terrorists who blow themselves up in
fly planes into towers, and they blow up women and children,
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and we're always left baffled, why why why? And we
dig into it, and almost always one of these young
men has gotten himself into a radical mosque where he
was taught by his people that in order for his
religion to prevail, in order for evil to be defeated,
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that he should go do something terrible. He should go
blow himself up off that nail bomb in front of
a bunch of school kids. And you wonder, and in
the aftermath of these horrible things, how in the world
could anybody justify doing that? How could you think you're
the good guy when you're about to kill a bunch
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of kids. He is a religious fanatic who believes he's
doing it for God. That's how communists think about their revolution.
They are in a revolution to attack and destroy every
single good and decent thing on this planet, and they
believe they're the good guys in this fight. They do
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they think they are the good guys in this fight,
and they will do anything. How could they lie line
God wants me to how could you interview an a
high version of a dead high school kid. Well, our enemies,
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the enemies of the revolution, they're armed. You see, they
have all these guns. We know we're going to need
to hurt them. If we're going to complete our revolution,
we have to be able to physically hurt these people.
We can't physically hurt these people if they have all
of these guns. Therefore, we need to disarm our enemies
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by any means necessary, and so if it means coming
up with an AI model of a dead child in
order to push gun control well, that's what the revolution demands.
Soulless radical jihattis, It's exactly what they are. Radical jihattis.
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All right, let's do some emails. Jesse, why is Trump
suddenly allowing Lindsey Graham to conduct foreign policy? Okay, So
I'm not going to go into the rest of this
email because there's a lot of body words that I
can't try to win my way through. So I'm just
gonna set the email aside for a moment. I don't
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know that I would say at all that Trump is
allowing Lindsey Graham to conduct forum policy. I will say this, Trump,
as we've discussed before, is excellent at form policy because
he views everything as a business deal or everything that
can be solved by doing business. So if you have
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these two companies, look Cambodia and Thailand, they're fighting each other,
what does he do?
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Said?
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Hey, what don't we work out of there? We'll just
in trade with you and we'll get some things going
for you, and let's stop. Put the missile stap, put
the guns down, Let's do a deal. Let's just do
a deal. Everyone wins. We'll do a deal. We'll be
on a private chat together let's do a deal. That's
extremely effective. It's an excellent way to conduct forum policy,
but it doesn't work everywhere. You know, Iran Israel. I
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mean I ignored it the night they announced the ceasefire, and
then after I ignored it, they proceeded to drop as
many bombs on each other as they possibly could over
the next six hours. And Trump got mad. Remember when
Trump got mad, dropped the F bomb about it. They
don't know what the beep they're doing. Why is he
so mad? He doesn't understand. Hey, I just said, we
have a deal. We have a deal. I was gonna
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give something to you, and you were going to get
why are you doing this? We have a deal. There
are places that don't want a deal. They're not interested
in a business deal or private jets. They're not interested
in those things. They're interested in killing each other until
one of them wins. For somebody who's used to doing
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deals his entire life in getting things done like that,
that's very frustrating. I when Trump lost it on camera,
and he never trashes Net and Yahoo publicly, but he
dogged on him by name publicly, and I know they're
closed by name. Two people who don't know what the
bait they're doing. I saw the frustration coming out of him,
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and I got it entirely. Hey, I sent my people
over there and I worked out a deal, and now
both of you are crapping all over it. Don't you
want a deal? Some places don't want to deal. That
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he's right.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
Jesse Kelly, it is a Jesse Kelly Show on a wonderful,
wonderful Tuesday. Remember you can email the show Jesse at
Jesse kellyshow dot com. We got heavyweight boxer Ed Lattimore
coming up about ten minutes from now. But along the
lines of what we were just talking about, and I'll
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do some emails. But Donald Trump wants wars to end,
and he deserves all the credit in the world for that.
When they start, whether or not they started before him
or started after he gets here, he just wants to
do a deal. Let's everyone make some money, Let's stop
the fighting. So what has happened, Just let's briefly go
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over this again. With Russia, Ukraine, Russia, they have a goal.
It's not to take all of Ukraine. But they want
specific regions. There are actually four of them they want.
They want four regions and they want all of them.
They have honestly most of them. They want them. They
want to keep them.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
They're the most valuable regions in uk We're talking warm
the only warm water port, valuable resources. Also, the people
there speak Russian. Russia thinks it's theirs. Ukraine thinks it's theirs.
We don't have to go over the history again, We've
done that before, So they're not leaving. Trump keeps trying
to get everybody to a deal, trying to get Zelenski
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to a deal, trying to get Pootin to a deal,
and yet they don't want to do it. So maybe
you have seen or heard about Trump blasting away at India.
He has publicly blasted India a couple times over the
past couple of days, threatening them with tariffs. In fact,
he announced he's slapping a big fat tariff on him earlier.
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Why is he doing that? Did he just get into
some bad Indian food? No, it's not that at all.
As if there's good Indian food, it's not that at all. Well,
how has Russia been able to keep going? They've been
fighting this war for years. They've lost a bunch of men,
but they're losing a bunch of equipment too. This is
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a country with an economy smaller than the size of
Texas's economy. And I realized Texas's economy is big. But
they can't match us. They can't even match China. Can't
They can't do that. How are they still going? In fact,
economically they they appear to be thriving oil. Russia has
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droves of it. China and India are buying it all.
Russia is able to fund their war effort because they
sit on an ocean of liquid gold China and India
are purchasing. Trump is trying to force Putin to the
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negotiating table by providing Ukraine with weapons and by threatening
India with tariffs so India stops buying the Russian oil.
That's Trump's goal. He wants to to stop buying Russian oil.
But China and India are the two countries with the
most people on the planet. They have all kinds of
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domestic problems themselves. They don't want to stop buying Russian oil.
They want to keep buying Russian oil. And so think
about the rock and a hard place we are in
as a country. I was gonna say Trump is in,
but it's our rock and a hard place. He wants
the war stopped if he's committed to that, if he's
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committed to things like tariffs on India, but then he's
gonna have to slap some big tariffs on China. Too
big tariffs on China means America's economy, which is sadly
very linked, very linked to China. America's economy is going
to have some hiccups, speed bumps, some not very pleasant moments.
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Things in your life, things in my life getting more expensive.
Is Trump willing to significantly harm the American consumer in
order to try to put an end to Russia Ukraine?
I don't know, but I can guarantee you this. These
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are the discussions they're having in the White House right now.
It may very well take that. And how understanding and
accepting are the American people going to be if they
start showing up and pharmaceuticals. Do you pay for medications
or know someone who does? What if that cost doubles?
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Do you think the American people faced with double the
cost of pharmaceuticals are going to accept as an answer? Well,
I'm trying to stop Russia in Ukraine. They will not
and this is the tough game we play. All right,
there's a ton of history to this region. If history
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is your thing, go download our podcasts on the Crimean War. Chris,
what year, what date was that we did along on
the Crimean War. Maybe you've heard of the Crimean War, Well,
let me spoil it for you. This is where it
took place on the Crimean Peninsula. Here countries have been
fighting and dying for this specific area for a long time.
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And keep in mind that's because from that area, from
the Crimean Peninsula, you can sail. You can ship your
way out to the open ocean. It's really the only
place in that area where you can do so. Having
a warm water port where you can ship things is
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critically critically important. And the Brits went down there and
mixed it up with the Ruskies and we did a
thing on it, Chrystal, look it up at some point
in time. By the way, if you like any kind
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Speaker 5 (19:23):
Next.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
This is the Jesse Kelly Show.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
It is the Jesse Kelly Show. On a Wonderful Tuesday,
Chris Ed picked that song. This doesn't seem like ed
at all. Now I'm totally uncomfortable. Maybe he's changed.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
She's a father now joining me now heavyweight boxer and
I guess now. Author Ed Lattimore, who has a book
out called what a What a title Hard Lessons from
the Hurt Business. First of all, Ed, your music selection sucked?
Speaker 5 (19:57):
What was that?
Speaker 2 (19:59):
That was?
Speaker 1 (19:59):
Big?
Speaker 5 (20:00):
Love about Fleetwood Mac? You know I've been, I've been jamming.
I don't know how I found that song, but I
love it. I came out to it in my fight.
I don't know if you know, I just fought. I
stepped back into the ring. I fought two weeks ago,
one one by first round knockout. But yeah, I you know,
it gets me amped. I was worried how it was
gonna make me feel coming out. But when I heard
it when I was in the in the the walk
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up hall, right before they bring you out to walking
from the crowd, I was like, Okay, yeah, this is
this is a jam right here. And now I've been
I've been working out with for that song a lot.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
You know, I can't believe I just insulted Fleetwood Mac.
I'll be honest with you. I didn't even know that's
who that was.
Speaker 5 (20:34):
But either way, you know, what because because it's not
on Dreams, a lot of people don't know about it.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Dang, and Ed just won up to everybody on this
That sucks, okay, but I have to I have to
ask because we're obviously we're talking to Ed Latimore and
we're gonna find out about life and the book and
everything else. You just fought. You're like, my age, what
what's going through your mind before a fight? You've got
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to be just so pumped full of adrenaline. Your mouth
has to be full of battery acid. What is it
like before you got what is it like?
Speaker 5 (21:09):
Not even close? And how old are you?
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Forty four?
Speaker 5 (21:13):
Okay, so I'm not. I mean, I'm I'm forty. So
we're in the forty club. But you know, nah, you
know it's you practice hard, you train hard, at a
lot of faith in what I figured out in the
in the nine years I've been off, and so I'm
going out there and I felt really really good and comfortable,
you know, and I dig it a little nervous though
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this was the heaviest guy I'd ever fought, when you know,
before when I was fighting continually and then my ring
stepped back. My plan is to drop a weight class.
But because of the stress with the book launch and
the press leading up to it, I decided I'll just
take the fight at the heavyweight and so I waited
at two fifteen to God was two fifty eight, and
when he leaned up, when he clenched up with me,
I said, okay, like, this dude is not as good
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as me, but if he gets me, he can hurt me.
And he actually got me with a pretty good shot
in that fight. Did like I was like, okay, you know,
game time, we're live. But but leading up to it,
I'm not nervous at all. You know, I've been I've
been boxing since I was twenty two and been in
all types of fights. I've been hurt before, I've been
been knocked out, and so now I'm just like, oh, okay,
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this is nothing, and I know what I'm doing too.
It's not like it's a random fight on the street
and now you know, we locked up on the street
or something. I might be nervous because I don't know
what the rules are and what the guy can do,
but in they're no, it's it's a controlled environment. As
far as I'm concerned, I feel great.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
Tell me about hard lessons from the hurt Business. What's
this about?
Speaker 5 (22:41):
So a lot of people don't notice. I found out
what a poll. But the hurt business is another name
for boxing. Sometimes they use it in May, but generally boxing.
When someone talks about the hurt business, that's what they're
talking about. And the book is a memoir. It's my
story of pretty much that's how I got into boxing
to help boxing and changed my life. So the first
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third of it is my my childhood and you get
to see you get to go back together with me
and see how the hood shaped a lot of the
things that I came to think and a lot of
the habits I developed. The same with the abuse at
home I was in that all that. Really, it was
actually kind of hard to write about it, a lot
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of that stuff, But it takes a nice warm turn
on high school when I met When I went to
a high school across kind of met some great people.
Then we get into my boxing career, but that also
coincides with me really struggling with drinking, but I managed
to have a great amateur career. And then the last
third is where we dive into my pro career and
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how a lot of those changes came together. But ultimately,
you know, I had I had the loss on TV,
which which sucks because it's like the worst way to lose.
But when you get embarrassed like that, and that's what
it really is, embarrassment, you realize being embarrassed ain't that bad.
Like I get to a hout, walked away with my
faculties and everything, and so that's the story kind of
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in a nutshell. And the way I broke it down is,
you know, each story from my life told coming chronologically.
You get to read the development. It's themed around a
or rather I extracted a lesson and created a great
little title for the sub chapters and the main chapters.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Speaking with Ed Lattimore, author, I guess heavyweight boxer. I
shouldn't probably refer to him as author because he'll probably
kill me, but heavyweight boxer author of the book Hard
Lessons from the Hurt Business.
Speaker 5 (24:38):
Ed.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
It's it's very very difficult. I mean, it doesn't matter
what if anyone's offended by this. It's very difficult to
overcome a bad upbringing. It just it just is most people,
the vast majority, do not They don't escape it, they
repeat it. It's human nature. Why did you, why do
some and is it the right coach?
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Is it?
Speaker 1 (25:03):
What is it?
Speaker 5 (25:05):
You know, I've thought about this so much with my life,
and I can really just trace it down. First of all,
like you're one hundred more right than a lot of
people will ever give it credit. Your environment and the
family you're born into make all the difference in the world.
And we've tracked this in so many studies, everything from
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income to your chance of being incarcerated to mental health.
Who your family is and where you live matters. There's
no way around that. You don't get any control over that.
But as far as how I manage to have a
different faith, I think it was just gradual introductions to
different environments. For whatever reason, I was born with a
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lot of agency, and so when I transferred when it
was time to go to high school, I chose a
high school completely in a different part of town, instead
of the high school I would have been fed to,
which would have kept me around that environment. And that
high school all the way across town. We're tackling an
hour bus ride there and an hour bus ride home,
so two hour commute every day. That was the first
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chance I got to see just a completely different world,
a completely different set of people, different ways to be,
and a different social circle entirely. And it was the
first of many experiences that changed, but that changed my life.
And I really have to trace it back to that.
And I want to say I got lucky. I mean
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I chose the school. I mean, I guess I got
to chose a poor school, but it was a it
was an educated decision. But I did get lucky in
the sense that I was born with the agency and
sense to know that I need to do something different.
I didn't like change the school thinking it would change
my life. I just didn't want to be be bullied,
harassed and picked on and then have to worry about
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fighting every day. And I wanted to be, like, you know,
in a cool or a less stressful environment. That's all
it was for me is it's trying to be in
a less stressful environment. And it turned out to be
easily like in terms of the scope of my entire life.
The best decision I made. It all started when I
was fourteen.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
Who is the animal that bullied at Latimore?
Speaker 5 (27:11):
Man? Look, I grew up in a public housing project.
You know, you get bullied. I always hesitate to call
it bullying because one thing you do learn coming up
on My mom instilled this in us really hard. You
fight every time somebody tries to fight, to make sure
they understand that there's a cost. So you know, then
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they're gonna call me names whatever. I'm not gonna swing
on that. But people didn't really put hands with me
after the first few times guys tried to put hands
on me because they had to decide if it was
worth what was gonna come. I didn't know whether I
want to lost to fight. There was gonna be a fight,
and a lot of guys don't have to taste for that.
That's just but that's psychological. You got to push against
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every thing that tries to push against you to let
it know you're not gonna go quietly into the night
kind of deal.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
He is Ed Lattimore, author of the book Hard Lessons
from the Hurt Business.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
Ed.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
I probably should have asked, because I know you're on
a book tour right now, but can you give me
a couple more minutes after the break real quick? I
want to ask you because there are people listening who
want to get Maybe they're not going to be Ed Latimore,
but they want to get in shape. They're may be
interested in this kind of stuff, how to improve themselves.
You got a couple more minutes for that.
Speaker 5 (28:23):
Oh for you, for sure.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
Man, appreciate you, brother. All Right, we're gon, we're gonna
go to break. We're gonna come right back. I got
a couple more questions for heavyweight boxer author Ed Lattimore
before before we get to that. You don't have to
hurt because relief factor is here. That's why, right, Maybe
relief factor. Maybe it's the cure for the hurt business. Chris,
(28:48):
I don't know. Look, I can't say. What I do
know is it's one hundred percent drug free. It's a
supplement you take every single day that will turn down
and eventually turn off the pain in your life. The
things you used to do that you would still do
if it didn't hurt. What if you're doing them again
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in a month, two months? How much would that better
your life in every possible way?
Speaker 4 (29:17):
Go?
Speaker 1 (29:18):
Just try it, Just try it, give it three weeks,
and all I'm asking don't order anymore. If it doesn't work,
give it three weeks, you will order more. It's miraculous.
One eight hundred the number four relief or relief Factor
dot Com. We'll be right back with that. Hang on,
(29:42):
you're listening to the ouricle you love this life.
Speaker 5 (29:45):
It's a scream Baby.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
The Jesse Kelly Show. It is the Jesse Kelly's Show.
I still can't believe the first time we had Ed
Lattimore on the show, he picks some rap song which
I actually liked, and now he's playing Fleetwood Mac. It's
just wild to me. Okay, before we get back to boxing.
I understand you are a relatively recent father, and actually
said something on social media yesterday about how I don't
(30:09):
want to put words in your mouth. It makes you
angry at your father. And I've felt this forever that
I don't understand. I don't understand how you can grow
up without a father, with a bad father and then
repeat that psycle. Especially once you hold that wonderful little
baby in your hands, you can't help but love it.
Don't you want to raise it and teach it stuff
and be there with it. I totally got what you
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were saying.
Speaker 5 (30:34):
Yeah, it's you know, I didn't think about my dad
for a very long time. He died when I was eighteen.
He wasn't really around, and it wasn't until I was old.
My son one night when he's doing what babies do,
which is cry and be fussy, and I'm just like, man,
this is miserable. But at the same time, I wouldn't
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want to be anywhere else. That's part of the gig, right,
And it's a cool part of the gig. You can't
skip that. And I felt that loving protection that I
guess you're you feel. And then I was like, why,
what What in the world motivated my dad to like
not want to be in our lives and and that
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really really bugged me when I started to think about it,
because I hadn't thought about it for for a long time.
I just hadn't and then see and my son, it
was overwhelming. I was like, look, man, I don't even
like going to the store, like because I got to
be here with you. Oh you know. I try and
get him to come and still get caught with me.
He's like, uh sometimes, but right now he's in the phase.
(31:35):
Was like, hey, he says, I want to stay with
my min and I'm like, okay, you can, you can
stay with my but like that's what I mean. It's
it's a very different feeling for you or rather, you
process old feelings very differently what new experiences, and that
experience really really brought up some memories that I didn't
even know. Are some feelings I didn't even know. I
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hadn't get the process.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
Yeah, you're not about that. Tell his mama to enjoy
his time now, because I'm telling you, as a man
with two sons, they will slowly but surely separate from her.
And now I can't get rid of them. They're in
my back pocket all the time, all right. Boxing and
people are out of shape. A lot of people are
out of shape. Look me, I'm not some Greek god either.
(32:20):
How do they start? Is that something people should be
interested in? People get older, they don't want to get hurt,
they don't want to get their head taken off. There
is there something for normal people in that arena?
Speaker 5 (32:32):
Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
You know.
Speaker 5 (32:33):
Look, most people don't fight professionally. They don't fight the
amateur league. I mean, I tell young men that I
think you should all at least have an amateur fight
or two, you know, to see what it's like. But
anyone can can join a gym and learn how to
throw punchers and get the cardio benefits you don't have
(32:55):
to get in the ring, and what's abody to fight? Now?
If you do, way more power to you. I think
that's great too. But if you're just looking for a
nice introduction, you don't You don't need to get in
the ring, you know, or you don't need to fight,
is what I should say.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
Ed Lattimore. The book is hard Lessons from the Hurt Business.
Ed Where can people get it?
Speaker 5 (33:18):
You can get it anywhere.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
Man.
Speaker 5 (33:20):
This is my first book with a publishing house, and
one thing they do great is distribution. Somebody sent me
a pre order receipt from Target. I was like, wow,
I didn't even know you could do that, but yeah,
you can get an Amazon, Barnes and Noble. I read
the audio book myself. I fully understand why they got
to pay people to read books, even their own. And
it's a long process and it's one of those things
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no one really warned you about about it. But it
was okay, I you know, funny, just funny, quick story. Uh.
The first we had the schedule for three days and
by the end of the first day we were we
were pretty far behind because I forgot my glasses at home.
I'm at that age where I need my glasses to read.
I can't make a mistakes. I couldn't tell it everything
(34:04):
like bad and bad. But when I brought my glass
the second day, we actually got caught up like and
then blew past it. But it was a good Philly.
So if you read the books, you get to hear
me narrated, which I think is really important for this
type of story to hear the person who wrote it.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
True story ed. I've only written one book, and I
don't have any intention to write another one. But the
day too told me to do an audiobook and read
it myself, and I was so screwed up that I
read like the first chapter really really slow to where
I found like that i'd been It sounded like I'd
been punched in the head my entire life. I couldn't
sound anything out. I screwed the whole thing up and
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it was miserable. I may end up doing another one
one day. I'm never reading another one ever.
Speaker 5 (34:48):
Oh yeah, you like I always thought I thought it
was funny. When they were like, yeah, we'll pay you
this amile, which is the standard rate. I'm like, I'm
just a regular God, I'm not a voice actor. And
then I did it, and I said, yeah, you had
to pay me to do that like that, I thought
I do for free.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
He is at Latimore Hard Lessons from the Hurt Business
is the book.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
Thank you, my brother. I appreciate you com back sometime.
I've always thought I've always thought that would be quite
a feeling walking towards the ring of a boxing match.
You know what's going through your mind. I remember George
Saint Pierre. He was in a boxer. He was a
(35:28):
big MMA fighter. Corey will remember him. Chris is twelve,
so he won't unless he started in a comedy. Chris
wouldn't know. But George Saint Pierre was one of the
great MMA UFC fighters of all time. And I watched
him do some interview one time and he said, now,
this is a bad dude. I watched George Saint Pierre
beat the living crap out of the baddest dudes on
the planet many many times before, so we're not talking
(35:51):
a normal person like you or me. It's a bad dude.
He was doing this interview and he said, before fights,
I guess one's different. He was so scared every single
time that he used to fantasize about the building losing power.
(36:11):
So he didn't go out to fight, and he said
he would. He would put it into his mind so badly.
He'd be looking up at the lights, wanting the power
of the building to go out, so we didn't have
to fight. What Chris, But that's a very good point, Chris.
Chris said, do you get nervous walking into a new restaurant.
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That's a good point. It's something I'm so great at
that I don't feel fear, not the way mortal people
feel fear when they're walking into a restaurant. I know
I've mastered this. I'm the master at this. The menu whisper.
I mean, I practically struck into the restaurant, and I
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know I know that I'll deliver. I will deliver for me,
I'll deliver for those around me if they use to
lean on my incredible skill set. So in a way,
I'm just like a heavyweight boxer. All Right, we still
have another hour, and we have all kinds of stuff.
I should probably get to a bunch of emails and
(37:14):
things about you know what, let's talk about viewership. If
the media is losing all these viewers, how are they
still in business. Let's talk about that. Next,
This is a Jesse Kelly Show.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
It is the.
Speaker 3 (00:16):
Jesse Kelly Show. Another hour of The Jesse Kelly Show on.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
A fantstic, amazing Tuesday. Here's what we're gonna do. We're
gonna talk about the media. Jim Acosta did one of
one of the grosser things I've ever seen from the media.
I'm pretty difficult to shock at this point, but he
managed to pull it off. We'll talk about that in
a moment. We'll make fun of John Cornyn doing exactly
(00:42):
what I told you he was going to do. We'll
get to some emails. We have heavyweight boxer Ed Lattimore
coming up about a half hour from now. It's always
cool to talk to those guys, heavyweight boxers, and Ed
can actually talk. So many of those heavyweight boxers just
don't talk very well anymore. What Chris, Yeah, Chris, it's
not healthy be punched in the head for a living.
But Ed's wonderful. So we're going to talk to Ed
(01:04):
and do all kinds of stuff. Now, I'm gonna play
something for you. I could tell you what it is
ahead of time, but I'm gonna play it for you. You
remember who Jim Acosta is. Jim Acosta was the CNN
reporter during Trump's first four years who was always doing
(01:26):
the theater kid routine during the press conferences, making it
all about him. Just the ultimate theater kid, Just an
embarrassing commie human being. He's sat down. I don't know
if I should say for an interview, but I'll tell
you what. I'll just play it. Be ready to be
(01:46):
creeped out when I tell you what it.
Speaker 2 (01:47):
Is, Boaquin, I would like to know what your solution
would be for gun violence.
Speaker 4 (01:54):
Great question. I believe in a mix of stronger gun
control laws, mental health support, and community engagement. We need
to create safe spaces for conversations and connections, making sure
everyone feels seen and heard. It's about building a culture
of kindness and understanding. What do you think about that?
Speaker 2 (02:10):
I think that's a great idea, Joaquen.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
Are you ready to be creeped out?
Speaker 2 (02:16):
You may.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
You may want to go start the shower right now,
because when I tell you what that was, you're going
to need to clean yourself. I'm just warning you. Joaquen Oliver.
Joaquen Oliver was one of the students who was murdered
by that monster in the Florida school shooting Parkland. You
(02:39):
remember that the Parkland school shooting, Joaquen Oliver lost his
life to a madman. So maybe you're asking how was
Jim Acosta interviewing him and he was spouting off gun
control talking points. Jim Acosta interviewed in AI version of
(03:05):
Joaquin Oliver, who is dead artificial intelligence. It's not real.
It's a computer model, and Jim Acosta interviewed it. He
interviewed it obviously for gun control propaganda, so you can
(03:27):
be disarmed. Let me play it for you again. Joaquin
is not real, Joaquin.
Speaker 2 (03:33):
I would like to know what your solution would be
for gun violence.
Speaker 4 (03:39):
Great question. I believe in a mix of stronger gun
control laws, mental health support, and community engagement. We need
to create safe spaces for conversations and connections, making sure
everyone feels seen and heard. It's about building a culture
of kindness and understanding. What do you think about that?
Speaker 2 (03:55):
I think that's a great idea, Joaquin.
Speaker 1 (03:59):
Maybe you're there wondering how any human being could go
to sleep at night knowing they're interviewing AI dead children
in order to push gun control. How could you do that?
I'm just trying to think, what's something I'm majorly passionate
(04:21):
about pro life. I'm majorly passionate or about pro life.
What if they could create an ai dead baby that
could talk to me and say, I wish mommy hadn't
have killed me. I would never, in a million years
even consider doing something so soulless and creepy and awful
(04:46):
and evil in every way. These people do this stuff
how they're religious fanatics. They are religious fanatics. I have
told you before, if you want to understand how these
(05:09):
people really think, you would be better off instead of
studying politics or democrats, or reading this book or that book,
you would be better off studying Islamic jihad. Radical Islamic jihad.
I'm talking about the terrorists who blow themselves up in
fly planes into towers, and they blow up women and children,
(05:31):
and we're always left baffled, why why why? And we
dig into it, and almost always one of these young
men has gotten himself into a radical mosque where he
was taught by his people that in order for his
religion to prevail, in order for evil to be defeated,
(05:53):
that he should go do something terrible. He should go
blow himself up off that nail bomb in front of
a bunch of school kids. And you wonder, and in
the aftermath of these horrible things, how in the world
could anybody justify doing that? How could you think you're
the good guy when you're about to kill a bunch
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of kids. He is a religious fanatic who believes he's
doing it for God. That's how communists think about their revolution.
They are in a revolution to attack and destroy every
single good and decent thing on this planet, and they
believe they're the good guys in this fight. They do
(06:35):
they think they are the good guys in this fight,
and they will do anything. How could they lie line
God wants me to how could you interview an a
high version of a dead high school kid. Well, our enemies,
(06:56):
the enemies of the revolution, they're armed. You see, they
have all these guns. We know we're going to need
to hurt them. If we're going to complete our revolution,
we have to be able to physically hurt these people.
We can't physically hurt these people if they have all
of these guns. Therefore, we need to disarm our enemies
(07:19):
by any means necessary, and so if it means coming
up with an AI model of a dead child in
order to push gun control well, that's what the revolution demands.
Soulless radical jihattis, It's exactly what they are. Radical jihattis.
(07:42):
All right, let's do some emails. Jesse, why is Trump
suddenly allowing Lindsey Graham to conduct foreign policy? Okay, So
I'm not going to go into the rest of this
email because there's a lot of body words that I
can't try to win my way through. So I'm just
gonna set the email aside for a moment. I don't
(08:06):
know that I would say at all that Trump is
allowing Lindsey Graham to conduct forum policy. I will say this, Trump,
as we've discussed before, is excellent at form policy because
he views everything as a business deal or everything that
can be solved by doing business. So if you have
(08:29):
these two companies, look Cambodia and Thailand, they're fighting each other,
what does he do?
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Said?
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Hey, what don't we work out of there? We'll just
in trade with you and we'll get some things going
for you, and let's stop. Put the missile stap, put
the guns down, Let's do a deal. Let's just do
a deal. Everyone wins. We'll do a deal. We'll be
on a private chat together let's do a deal. That's
extremely effective. It's an excellent way to conduct forum policy,
but it doesn't work everywhere. You know, Iran Israel. I
(08:59):
mean I ignored it the night they announced the ceasefire, and
then after I ignored it, they proceeded to drop as
many bombs on each other as they possibly could over
the next six hours. And Trump got mad. Remember when
Trump got mad, dropped the F bomb about it. They
don't know what the beep they're doing. Why is he
so mad? He doesn't understand. Hey, I just said, we
have a deal. We have a deal. I was gonna
(09:21):
give something to you, and you were going to get
why are you doing this? We have a deal. There
are places that don't want a deal. They're not interested
in a business deal or private jets. They're not interested
in those things. They're interested in killing each other until
one of them wins. For somebody who's used to doing
(09:44):
deals his entire life in getting things done like that,
that's very frustrating. I when Trump lost it on camera,
and he never trashes Net and Yahoo publicly, but he
dogged on him by name publicly, and I know they're
closed by name. Two people who don't know what the
bait they're doing. I saw the frustration coming out of him,
(10:06):
and I got it entirely. Hey, I sent my people
over there and I worked out a deal, and now
both of you are crapping all over it. Don't you
want a deal? Some places don't want to deal. That
actually leads me perfectly to putin and what he just
(10:27):
said before we get to putin American made. American manufacturing
is something a lot of people brag about. You know
that Berna, b y Rna, the Burna launchers, those compact
launchers that shoot the pepper balls and tear gas balls.
You know they put those things together in Fort Wayne, Indiana.
(10:49):
Do you know that after they had started Burna, they
dug in and figured out how to make it all here.
That became a passion project. It wasn't all sales, Hey,
we want to sell to this private security company. No,
they wanted to make it in America. I like American
(11:10):
made stuff, and there's nothing more American than Berna. And
it will keep you alive, maybe your husband alive, maybe
your wife alive. School seasons coming. Are you about to
send your daughter off to college with nothing to stop
a bad guy? They're legal in all fifty states. You
don't have to worry about or getting arrested, no permit needed.
They'll mail it right to your door. Hey, employers, do
(11:34):
you think maybe your employees should have something so when
that durrained psychopath shows up to kill everyone, they have something. Employers,
b hy Rna Berna dot com. Go get one. We'll
be back. He doesn't care if you believe him, but
(11:54):
he's right.
Speaker 3 (11:56):
Jesse Kelly, it is a Jesse Kelly Show on a wonderful,
wonderful Tuesday. Remember you can email the show Jesse at
Jesse kellyshow dot com. We got heavyweight boxer Ed Lattimore
coming up about ten minutes from now. But along the
lines of what we were just talking about, and I'll
(12:17):
do some emails. But Donald Trump wants wars to end,
and he deserves all the credit in the world for that.
When they start, whether or not they started before him
or started after he gets here, he just wants to
do a deal. Let's everyone make some money, Let's stop
the fighting. So what has happened, Just let's briefly go
(12:38):
over this again. With Russia, Ukraine, Russia, they have a goal.
It's not to take all of Ukraine. But they want
specific regions. There are actually four of them they want.
They want four regions and they want all of them.
They have honestly most of them. They want them. They
want to keep them.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
They're the most valuable regions in uk We're talking warm
the only warm water port, valuable resources. Also, the people
there speak Russian. Russia thinks it's theirs. Ukraine thinks it's theirs.
We don't have to go over the history again, We've
done that before, So they're not leaving. Trump keeps trying
to get everybody to a deal, trying to get Zelenski
(13:20):
to a deal, trying to get Pootin to a deal,
and yet they don't want to do it. So maybe
you have seen or heard about Trump blasting away at India.
He has publicly blasted India a couple times over the
past couple of days, threatening them with tariffs. In fact,
he announced he's slapping a big fat tariff on him earlier.
(13:42):
Why is he doing that? Did he just get into
some bad Indian food? No, it's not that at all.
As if there's good Indian food, it's not that at all. Well,
how has Russia been able to keep going? They've been
fighting this war for years. They've lost a bunch of men,
but they're losing a bunch of equipment too. This is
(14:03):
a country with an economy smaller than the size of
Texas's economy. And I realized Texas's economy is big. But
they can't match us. They can't even match China. Can't
They can't do that. How are they still going? In fact,
economically they they appear to be thriving oil. Russia has
(14:26):
droves of it. China and India are buying it all.
Russia is able to fund their war effort because they
sit on an ocean of liquid gold China and India
are purchasing. Trump is trying to force Putin to the
(14:48):
negotiating table by providing Ukraine with weapons and by threatening
India with tariffs so India stops buying the Russian oil.
That's Trump's goal. He wants to to stop buying Russian oil.
But China and India are the two countries with the
most people on the planet. They have all kinds of
(15:09):
domestic problems themselves. They don't want to stop buying Russian oil.
They want to keep buying Russian oil. And so think
about the rock and a hard place we are in
as a country. I was gonna say Trump is in,
but it's our rock and a hard place. He wants
the war stopped if he's committed to that, if he's
(15:34):
committed to things like tariffs on India, but then he's
gonna have to slap some big tariffs on China. Too
big tariffs on China means America's economy, which is sadly
very linked, very linked to China. America's economy is going
to have some hiccups, speed bumps, some not very pleasant moments.
(15:59):
Things in your life, things in my life getting more expensive.
Is Trump willing to significantly harm the American consumer in
order to try to put an end to Russia Ukraine?
I don't know, but I can guarantee you this. These
(16:19):
are the discussions they're having in the White House right now.
It may very well take that. And how understanding and
accepting are the American people going to be if they
start showing up and pharmaceuticals. Do you pay for medications
or know someone who does? What if that cost doubles?
(16:44):
Do you think the American people faced with double the
cost of pharmaceuticals are going to accept as an answer? Well,
I'm trying to stop Russia in Ukraine. They will not
and this is the tough game we play. All right,
there's a ton of history to this region. If history
(17:07):
is your thing, go download our podcasts on the Crimean War. Chris,
what year, what date was that we did along on
the Crimean War. Maybe you've heard of the Crimean War, Well,
let me spoil it for you. This is where it
took place on the Crimean Peninsula. Here countries have been
fighting and dying for this specific area for a long time.
(17:31):
And keep in mind that's because from that area, from
the Crimean Peninsula, you can sail. You can ship your
way out to the open ocean. It's really the only
place in that area where you can do so. Having
a warm water port where you can ship things is
(17:51):
critically critically important. And the Brits went down there and
mixed it up with the Ruskies and we did a
thing on it, Chrystal, look it up at some point
in time. By the way, if you like any kind
of history, you know, Hillsdale will teach you. It's not
just me. Hillsdale does it better than I do. By
the way, that was March tenth, twenty twenty five, we
(18:11):
did the crimean War episode. iHeart Spotify iTunes anyway, Hillsdale
will teach you about the fall of the Roman Republic, well,
its rise and its fall. That may be uniquely appropriate
to us. How about how about the history of the
ancient Christian Church. It's not something people talk about a lot.
(18:32):
We know, you know, we know what's in the New Testament,
But what were they going through? What about the Constitution?
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(19:14):
me on history, go nerd out with Hillsdale Hillsdale dot
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Speaker 5 (19:23):
Next.
Speaker 1 (19:25):
This is the Jesse Kelly Show.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
It is the Jesse Kelly Show. On a Wonderful Tuesday,
Chris Ed picked that song. This doesn't seem like ed
at all. Now I'm totally uncomfortable. Maybe he's changed.
Speaker 1 (19:41):
She's a father now joining me now heavyweight boxer and
I guess now. Author Ed Lattimore, who has a book
out called what a What a title Hard Lessons from
the Hurt Business. First of all, Ed, your music selection sucked?
Speaker 5 (19:57):
What was that?
Speaker 2 (19:59):
That was?
Speaker 1 (19:59):
Big?
Speaker 5 (20:00):
Love about Fleetwood Mac? You know I've been, I've been jamming.
I don't know how I found that song, but I
love it. I came out to it in my fight.
I don't know if you know, I just fought. I
stepped back into the ring. I fought two weeks ago,
one one by first round knockout. But yeah, I you know,
it gets me amped. I was worried how it was
gonna make me feel coming out. But when I heard
it when I was in the in the the walk
(20:22):
up hall, right before they bring you out to walking
from the crowd, I was like, Okay, yeah, this is
this is a jam right here. And now I've been
I've been working out with for that song a lot.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
You know, I can't believe I just insulted Fleetwood Mac.
I'll be honest with you. I didn't even know that's
who that was.
Speaker 5 (20:34):
But either way, you know, what because because it's not
on Dreams, a lot of people don't know about it.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Dang, and Ed just won up to everybody on this
That sucks, okay, but I have to I have to
ask because we're obviously we're talking to Ed Latimore and
we're gonna find out about life and the book and
everything else. You just fought. You're like, my age, what
what's going through your mind before a fight? You've got
(21:01):
to be just so pumped full of adrenaline. Your mouth
has to be full of battery acid. What is it
like before you got what is it like?
Speaker 5 (21:09):
Not even close? And how old are you?
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Forty four?
Speaker 5 (21:13):
Okay, so I'm not. I mean, I'm I'm forty. So
we're in the forty club. But you know, nah, you
know it's you practice hard, you train hard, at a
lot of faith in what I figured out in the
in the nine years I've been off, and so I'm
going out there and I felt really really good and comfortable,
you know, and I dig it a little nervous though
(21:36):
this was the heaviest guy I'd ever fought, when you know,
before when I was fighting continually and then my ring
stepped back. My plan is to drop a weight class.
But because of the stress with the book launch and
the press leading up to it, I decided I'll just
take the fight at the heavyweight and so I waited
at two fifteen to God was two fifty eight, and
when he leaned up, when he clenched up with me,
I said, okay, like, this dude is not as good
(21:59):
as me, but if he gets me, he can hurt me.
And he actually got me with a pretty good shot
in that fight. Did like I was like, okay, you know,
game time, we're live. But but leading up to it,
I'm not nervous at all. You know, I've been I've
been boxing since I was twenty two and been in
all types of fights. I've been hurt before, I've been
been knocked out, and so now I'm just like, oh, okay,
(22:19):
this is nothing, and I know what I'm doing too.
It's not like it's a random fight on the street
and now you know, we locked up on the street
or something. I might be nervous because I don't know
what the rules are and what the guy can do,
but in they're no, it's it's a controlled environment. As
far as I'm concerned, I feel great.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
Tell me about hard lessons from the hurt Business. What's
this about?
Speaker 5 (22:41):
So a lot of people don't notice. I found out
what a poll. But the hurt business is another name
for boxing. Sometimes they use it in May, but generally boxing.
When someone talks about the hurt business, that's what they're
talking about. And the book is a memoir. It's my
story of pretty much that's how I got into boxing
to help boxing and changed my life. So the first
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third of it is my my childhood and you get
to see you get to go back together with me
and see how the hood shaped a lot of the
things that I came to think and a lot of
the habits I developed. The same with the abuse at
home I was in that all that. Really, it was
actually kind of hard to write about it, a lot
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of that stuff, But it takes a nice warm turn
on high school when I met When I went to
a high school across kind of met some great people.
Then we get into my boxing career, but that also
coincides with me really struggling with drinking, but I managed
to have a great amateur career. And then the last
third is where we dive into my pro career and
(23:45):
how a lot of those changes came together. But ultimately,
you know, I had I had the loss on TV,
which which sucks because it's like the worst way to lose.
But when you get embarrassed like that, and that's what
it really is, embarrassment, you realize being embarrassed ain't that bad.
Like I get to a hout, walked away with my
faculties and everything, and so that's the story kind of
(24:09):
in a nutshell. And the way I broke it down is,
you know, each story from my life told coming chronologically.
You get to read the development. It's themed around a
or rather I extracted a lesson and created a great
little title for the sub chapters and the main chapters.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Speaking with Ed Lattimore, author, I guess heavyweight boxer. I
shouldn't probably refer to him as author because he'll probably
kill me, but heavyweight boxer author of the book Hard
Lessons from the Hurt Business.
Speaker 5 (24:38):
Ed.
Speaker 1 (24:38):
It's it's very very difficult. I mean, it doesn't matter
what if anyone's offended by this. It's very difficult to
overcome a bad upbringing. It just it just is most people,
the vast majority, do not They don't escape it, they
repeat it. It's human nature. Why did you, why do
some and is it the right coach?
Speaker 2 (25:02):
Is it?
Speaker 1 (25:03):
What is it?
Speaker 5 (25:05):
You know, I've thought about this so much with my life,
and I can really just trace it down. First of all,
like you're one hundred more right than a lot of
people will ever give it credit. Your environment and the
family you're born into make all the difference in the world.
And we've tracked this in so many studies, everything from
(25:26):
income to your chance of being incarcerated to mental health.
Who your family is and where you live matters. There's
no way around that. You don't get any control over that.
But as far as how I manage to have a
different faith, I think it was just gradual introductions to
different environments. For whatever reason, I was born with a
(25:46):
lot of agency, and so when I transferred when it
was time to go to high school, I chose a
high school completely in a different part of town, instead
of the high school I would have been fed to,
which would have kept me around that environment. And that
high school all the way across town. We're tackling an
hour bus ride there and an hour bus ride home,
so two hour commute every day. That was the first
(26:07):
chance I got to see just a completely different world,
a completely different set of people, different ways to be,
and a different social circle entirely. And it was the
first of many experiences that changed, but that changed my life.
And I really have to trace it back to that.
And I want to say I got lucky. I mean
(26:28):
I chose the school. I mean, I guess I got
to chose a poor school, but it was a it
was an educated decision. But I did get lucky in
the sense that I was born with the agency and
sense to know that I need to do something different.
I didn't like change the school thinking it would change
my life. I just didn't want to be be bullied,
harassed and picked on and then have to worry about
(26:51):
fighting every day. And I wanted to be, like, you know,
in a cool or a less stressful environment. That's all
it was for me is it's trying to be in
a less stressful environment. And it turned out to be
easily like in terms of the scope of my entire life.
The best decision I made. It all started when I
was fourteen.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
Who is the animal that bullied at Latimore?
Speaker 5 (27:11):
Man? Look, I grew up in a public housing project.
You know, you get bullied. I always hesitate to call
it bullying because one thing you do learn coming up
on My mom instilled this in us really hard. You
fight every time somebody tries to fight, to make sure
they understand that there's a cost. So you know, then
(27:34):
they're gonna call me names whatever. I'm not gonna swing
on that. But people didn't really put hands with me
after the first few times guys tried to put hands
on me because they had to decide if it was
worth what was gonna come. I didn't know whether I
want to lost to fight. There was gonna be a fight,
and a lot of guys don't have to taste for that.
That's just but that's psychological. You got to push against
(27:54):
every thing that tries to push against you to let
it know you're not gonna go quietly into the night
kind of deal.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
He is Ed Lattimore, author of the book Hard Lessons
from the Hurt Business.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
Ed.
Speaker 1 (28:06):
I probably should have asked, because I know you're on
a book tour right now, but can you give me
a couple more minutes after the break real quick? I
want to ask you because there are people listening who
want to get Maybe they're not going to be Ed Latimore,
but they want to get in shape. They're may be
interested in this kind of stuff, how to improve themselves.
You got a couple more minutes for that.
Speaker 5 (28:23):
Oh for you, for sure.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
Man, appreciate you, brother. All Right, we're gon, we're gonna
go to break. We're gonna come right back. I got
a couple more questions for heavyweight boxer author Ed Lattimore
before before we get to that. You don't have to
hurt because relief factor is here. That's why, right, Maybe
relief factor. Maybe it's the cure for the hurt business. Chris,
(28:48):
I don't know. Look, I can't say. What I do
know is it's one hundred percent drug free. It's a
supplement you take every single day that will turn down
and eventually turn off the pain in your life. The
things you used to do that you would still do
if it didn't hurt. What if you're doing them again
(29:10):
in a month, two months? How much would that better
your life in every possible way?
Speaker 4 (29:17):
Go?
Speaker 1 (29:18):
Just try it, Just try it, give it three weeks,
and all I'm asking don't order anymore. If it doesn't work,
give it three weeks, you will order more. It's miraculous.
One eight hundred the number four relief or relief Factor
dot Com. We'll be right back with that. Hang on,
(29:42):
you're listening to the ouricle you love this life.
Speaker 5 (29:45):
It's a scream Baby.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
The Jesse Kelly Show. It is the Jesse Kelly's Show.
I still can't believe the first time we had Ed
Lattimore on the show, he picks some rap song which
I actually liked, and now he's playing Fleetwood Mac. It's
just wild to me. Okay, before we get back to boxing.
I understand you are a relatively recent father, and actually
said something on social media yesterday about how I don't
(30:09):
want to put words in your mouth. It makes you
angry at your father. And I've felt this forever that
I don't understand. I don't understand how you can grow
up without a father, with a bad father and then
repeat that psycle. Especially once you hold that wonderful little
baby in your hands, you can't help but love it.
Don't you want to raise it and teach it stuff
and be there with it. I totally got what you
(30:31):
were saying.
Speaker 5 (30:34):
Yeah, it's you know, I didn't think about my dad
for a very long time. He died when I was eighteen.
He wasn't really around, and it wasn't until I was old.
My son one night when he's doing what babies do,
which is cry and be fussy, and I'm just like, man,
this is miserable. But at the same time, I wouldn't
(30:55):
want to be anywhere else. That's part of the gig, right,
And it's a cool part of the gig. You can't
skip that. And I felt that loving protection that I
guess you're you feel. And then I was like, why,
what What in the world motivated my dad to like
not want to be in our lives and and that
(31:15):
really really bugged me when I started to think about it,
because I hadn't thought about it for for a long time.
I just hadn't and then see and my son, it
was overwhelming. I was like, look, man, I don't even
like going to the store, like because I got to
be here with you. Oh you know. I try and
get him to come and still get caught with me.
He's like, uh sometimes, but right now he's in the phase.
(31:35):
Was like, hey, he says, I want to stay with
my min and I'm like, okay, you can, you can
stay with my but like that's what I mean. It's
it's a very different feeling for you or rather, you
process old feelings very differently what new experiences, and that
experience really really brought up some memories that I didn't
even know. Are some feelings I didn't even know. I
(31:57):
hadn't get the process.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
Yeah, you're not about that. Tell his mama to enjoy
his time now, because I'm telling you, as a man
with two sons, they will slowly but surely separate from her.
And now I can't get rid of them. They're in
my back pocket all the time, all right. Boxing and
people are out of shape. A lot of people are
out of shape. Look me, I'm not some Greek god either.
(32:20):
How do they start? Is that something people should be
interested in? People get older, they don't want to get hurt,
they don't want to get their head taken off. There
is there something for normal people in that arena?
Speaker 5 (32:32):
Yeah, for sure.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
You know.
Speaker 5 (32:33):
Look, most people don't fight professionally. They don't fight the
amateur league. I mean, I tell young men that I
think you should all at least have an amateur fight
or two, you know, to see what it's like. But
anyone can can join a gym and learn how to
throw punchers and get the cardio benefits you don't have
(32:55):
to get in the ring, and what's abody to fight? Now?
If you do, way more power to you. I think
that's great too. But if you're just looking for a
nice introduction, you don't You don't need to get in
the ring, you know, or you don't need to fight,
is what I should say.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
Ed Lattimore. The book is hard Lessons from the Hurt Business.
Ed Where can people get it?
Speaker 5 (33:18):
You can get it anywhere.
Speaker 3 (33:20):
Man.
Speaker 5 (33:20):
This is my first book with a publishing house, and
one thing they do great is distribution. Somebody sent me
a pre order receipt from Target. I was like, wow,
I didn't even know you could do that, but yeah,
you can get an Amazon, Barnes and Noble. I read
the audio book myself. I fully understand why they got
to pay people to read books, even their own. And
it's a long process and it's one of those things
(33:43):
no one really warned you about about it. But it
was okay, I you know, funny, just funny, quick story. Uh.
The first we had the schedule for three days and
by the end of the first day we were we
were pretty far behind because I forgot my glasses at home.
I'm at that age where I need my glasses to read.
I can't make a mistakes. I couldn't tell it everything
(34:04):
like bad and bad. But when I brought my glass
the second day, we actually got caught up like and
then blew past it. But it was a good Philly.
So if you read the books, you get to hear
me narrated, which I think is really important for this
type of story to hear the person who wrote it.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
True story ed. I've only written one book, and I
don't have any intention to write another one. But the
day too told me to do an audiobook and read
it myself, and I was so screwed up that I
read like the first chapter really really slow to where
I found like that i'd been It sounded like I'd
been punched in the head my entire life. I couldn't
sound anything out. I screwed the whole thing up and
(34:43):
it was miserable. I may end up doing another one
one day. I'm never reading another one ever.
Speaker 5 (34:48):
Oh yeah, you like I always thought I thought it
was funny. When they were like, yeah, we'll pay you
this amile, which is the standard rate. I'm like, I'm
just a regular God, I'm not a voice actor. And
then I did it, and I said, yeah, you had
to pay me to do that like that, I thought
I do for free.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
He is at Latimore Hard Lessons from the Hurt Business
is the book.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
Thank you, my brother. I appreciate you com back sometime.
I've always thought I've always thought that would be quite
a feeling walking towards the ring of a boxing match.
You know what's going through your mind. I remember George
Saint Pierre. He was in a boxer. He was a
(35:28):
big MMA fighter. Corey will remember him. Chris is twelve,
so he won't unless he started in a comedy. Chris
wouldn't know. But George Saint Pierre was one of the
great MMA UFC fighters of all time. And I watched
him do some interview one time and he said, now,
this is a bad dude. I watched George Saint Pierre
beat the living crap out of the baddest dudes on
the planet many many times before, so we're not talking
(35:51):
a normal person like you or me. It's a bad dude.
He was doing this interview and he said, before fights,
I guess one's different. He was so scared every single
time that he used to fantasize about the building losing power.
(36:11):
So he didn't go out to fight, and he said
he would. He would put it into his mind so badly.
He'd be looking up at the lights, wanting the power
of the building to go out, so we didn't have
to fight. What Chris, But that's a very good point, Chris.
Chris said, do you get nervous walking into a new restaurant.
(36:32):
That's a good point. It's something I'm so great at
that I don't feel fear, not the way mortal people
feel fear when they're walking into a restaurant. I know
I've mastered this. I'm the master at this. The menu whisper.
I mean, I practically struck into the restaurant, and I
(36:53):
know I know that I'll deliver. I will deliver for me,
I'll deliver for those around me if they use to
lean on my incredible skill set. So in a way,
I'm just like a heavyweight boxer. All Right, we still
have another hour, and we have all kinds of stuff.
I should probably get to a bunch of emails and
(37:14):
things about you know what, let's talk about viewership. If
the media is losing all these viewers, how are they
still in business. Let's talk about that. Next,
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