May 29, 2025 • 37 mins
Trust is finite and American’s are done with the lies coming from our institutions. Brandon Weichert on the tense relations Trump is looking at in both Ukraine and Russia. Does America’s future involve a Russian partnership? Why does Israel keep poking at Iran after Trump told them to stop for negotiations.
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
This is the Jesse Kelly Showay, the Jesse Kelly Show.
Another hour of the Jesse Kelly Show on a wonderful,
fantastic Thursday. Remember we got Brandon wik At about a
half hour from now talking Russia, Ukraine, Iran and net
and Yahoo stuff. We have Carol Roth next hour, but
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we have other things we have to discuss, and there
are lots of them. Communist lies is on the list.
I have a fear about how bad the Democrats are.
Right now, I'll explain what I mean, But first I'm
going to talk again in a different way, about trust,
institutional trust, why it really matters in what's happening out there.
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So I'm gonna use this example because people, it can
be confusing. What actually is power? What is short term power?
What is lasting long term power? So let me explain
the difference. Let's say I am. I am in charge
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of the police department. I'm the police chief. Small town,
pretty small town. We're in West Virginia. We're in rural
West Virginia, and it's a twenty person police department. I
take over. I'm the police chief. I am an evil,
corrupt human being. Now I use my position as police
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chief to fill up my twenty person police department with
other evil, corrupt people, and we will deal drugs, we'll
commit murders, we'll do whatever with the authority of the
police department. In fact, if you, because you're part of
my town, if you make me angry, if I decide
I want you out of the way, maybe you witnessed
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me commit a crime, I have the power to gather
my men, my guns, and myself and come out to
your home and kill you, arrest you, shoot. You say,
that's short term power. I have that, But that's not
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long lasting, tangible power. And here's what I mean. If
I do that once twice, ten times, how many times
do me and my officers, how many times do we
have to commit a crime or do some kind of
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horribly corrupt thing until the people of my community decide
they no longer trust me, they have declared me to
be the enemy. And at some point in time, I
hop in a car with five of my cops and
we drive out to a home to commit a crime,
and we get ambushed and murdered by the people of
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the town. At some point it will happen. These things
don't happen without end. Now, why why did I end
up dying in losing my power because I lost the
trust of the people, and that that is long term,
lasting institutional power. And that's the most important kind of power.
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I realized. For the individual you when I showed up
to murder you, none of the long term stuff matters
because you're going to die in the short term. But
on a long term scale, on a thirty thousand foot
view scale, what matters for the institution. For my police department,
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the most important thing is that the people trust it
and rely on it. If I have the police department
will have power forever. If I violate that, if I
lose that, the people will take their trust away and
my police department in the end will be completely powerless
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at some point in time, no matter how long that takes.
Maybe it's twenty years, thirty years, but it will happen.
I saw this woman. She is affectionately known on this
show as doctor Witch, but her name is actually doctor Wynn.
She used to be in charge of Planned Parenthood. She
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now is obviously a contributor to CNN. She goes on
there to talk about medical things. She goes on there
to lie because it's CNN. She was ranting and raving
about RFK Junior in some of the things he's doing.
Here's what she said.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
This is the reason why we look to guidelines. There
are medical organizations that synthesize these data. And by the way,
we look up to the CDC, or at least throughout history,
we have looked up to the CDC, to the FDA
to compile these studies for us and to make recommendations.
And this we have always throughout history depended on our
federal agencies as the gold standard for expertise.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Really, these federal agencies, we have looked up to them
as the gold standard for expertise. Okay, she's actually not
wrong about that. It we hop at a time machine, you
and me, we go back to the year true, not
even ancient history. Twenty fifteen. And you ask Jesse if
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he believes the things the CDC says. Jesse says, yep,
I would tell you absolutely, Maybe not everything at face value.
But if the CDC put out a warning, hey, don't
travel to Mexico, don't eat this, don't it. I'm listening,
it's the CDC. So twenty fifteen, Jesse did very much
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trust organizations like the CDC. Now twenty twenty five Jesse
when the CDC is brought up, scoffs and rolls his eyes.
In fact, I'm looking at a headline here, I'll tell
you immediately the fellows put it in front of me, Chris,
Jewish producer Chris and producer Core. They put it in
front of me. I read it and I physically rolled
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my eyes immediately. You want to know the headline new
Chinese COVID strain spreads to the US. Immediately, I went,
probably here we go again. Well, why it's only been
ten years. I don't know, Maybe we should go back
to this little flashback from that same doctor doctor which
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during COVID.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
Of course, I strongly believe that indoor masking should be
the case, including it in really in all schools in
this country at this point. But even in schools that
don't have masking, parents can still do their part and
take matters into their own hands. For example, talk to
other parents in your child's class see if the majority
of parents would agree with you to also put masks
on their kids. Also, make sure that your child is
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wearing at least a three applied surgical mask, not a
cloth face covering, because that helps to protect your child
better them try to get the school to also disclose
all positive cases and increased testing. That's something that there's
no fund.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
Why doesn't anybody trust these gold standard expertise organizations anymore?
Because you took down the outdoor basketball hoops, because you
told an entire country of three hundred million people to
stand six feet away from everybody, because you close schools,
because you cost people their jobs, because people had to
say goodbye to their parents by zoom in the hospital.
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You arrested a paddle boarder in the ocean on camera
outside paddle boarding by himself. And you did all this,
all this using medical expertise as your shield, and you
did it as if that trust would be endless, and
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now you're finding out it's not. It's finite. You know,
we were talking about Harvard earlier in the show, Harvard
this and Harvard that and Harvard this.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
I know Harvard has had a blast pushing communism into
American society. But whether or not Trump stomps him into
the ground in the end, it won't matter why because
you're already leaving.
Speaker 5 (08:29):
I think going into this, I think a lot of
Americans thought that higher ed needed a nice kick in
the rear end.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
What am I talking about here?
Speaker 5 (08:36):
Well, why don't we take a look at high confidence
and higher education. You go back a decade ago, fifty
seven percent of Americans had high confidence in higher education.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
Look at where we are now.
Speaker 5 (08:45):
That number has plummeted, plummeted as of last year, down
to thirty six percent. We're talking about a thirty six
point drop among Republicans. Specifically, get this, sixty eight percent
of Americans said that higher education was on the wrong track.
So it's a question of whether or not people agree
with Trump's tactics, but they definitely agree with him on
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the idea.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Two thirds of the country just a little while ago, yesterday,
two thirds of the country, when they heard names like Harvard, Stanford,
they thought to themselves, Wow, that's pretty cool man. You
would tell you got into Harvard. WHOA, Now you just
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heard the numbers. Two thirds of the country. When you
tell them Harvard you bring it up, they go, oh yeah,
here we go. And in the end, Harvard is finding
out what we've talked about over and over and over, agun.
Harvard is finding out what the FBI found out, what
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the medical establishment has found out, what the media has
found out. They're all finding out what Jesse tried to
warn everybody about years ago. Trust is necessary, and trust
is not an infinite supply. You violated enough times, people
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will move on, and from there you'll discover that the
only true power you had, long lasting power, was the
trust they gave you, the legitimacy they gave you. Once
they remove it, it's gone and almost impossible to get back.
I'm going to expand on that just a little bit
more in a second hand. This is a Jesse Kelly show.
(10:38):
It is the Jesse Kelly Show. On a fantastic Thursday.
We have Brandon Wiker coming up about ten minutes from
now to do all kinds of foreign policy nerd out things.
But right now we're having another talk about trust. And
I want to be totally upfront and honest and crystal
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clear about this. It's really important that we have institutions
we can trust and do trust. I don't celebrate where
we are, and you shouldn't either. It's a picture a
home with bad parents in it, and there's a child
in the home. Mom says, Hey, I'm gonna make you
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dinner tonight so you don't go hungry, and then Mom
just gets drunk and passes out on the on the
couch and doesn't make dinner. And the next night she
tells that little boy, she tells that little girl, I'm
going to make you dinner tonight so you don't go hungry,
And she gets drunk and passes out on the couch
and doesn't make dinner. And this happens over and over
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and over and over and over again. Well, at some
point in time, that child is not going to trust
her anymore, not going to believe her anymore. When Mom
says anything dinner, what else doesn't matter, the trust will
be gone. Now that child, out of its own self interest,
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out of his own self interest, should remove that trust
because when mom says she'll make dinner, assume she's lying.
You gotta go fend for yourself, get your own dinner.
The child should remove the trust for his own survival.
But on a bigger level, this is a terrible situation
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because a child should have a mother. When she says
she'll make dinner, the child knows he'll get dinner. Exact
same thing happens with citizens in their institutions. I want
you to know that none of this is normal, and
none of this is Okay, you should have a medical
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establishment you can trust. You don't, and so you shouldn't
trust them, but you don't. And that Look, we'll focus
on medical because that's what we were talking about. Witch. Here,
let me be honest with you about something in my
own life, totally honest with you. Why do I talk
so much about natural things now, natural solutions, naturalness. You've
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heard me rant about big pharma. You've heard me rant
about the medical establishment. Why, well, they have violated my
trust and now I have to look elsewhere. Now do
you want to know why? Do you want to know
the real reason why? I mean, I've told you real
reasons before, But why is it? What? Chalk is a
great example. Why do I love Chalk so much? Well,
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the way I look at Chock Chock's natural herbal supplements. Obviously.
The way I look at Chalk is Chok keeps me
away from the doctor. That is my goal. And you
know what I hate that? I actually wish I had
a medical establishment that I trusted for everything, a doctor
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I trusted so much. Every month, every two months, I
go check in with the doc. Doc, this is what's
going on? This and that. Now, don't don't have any
of that at all. Well, you know what I take.
I take a mal vitality stack from chalk every day.
I take that not only because it makes me feel better,
because I feel like I'm preventing myself from ever having
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to go to the doctor. I check in with the
doctor's office when I want blood work done, and then
not at all because I have taken my trust away
and I don't celebrate that. I do celebrate chalk, and
I thank them for it, but that's not what I want.
I would like to have chalk and a doctor. Now
I just have chalk. Sucks. By the way, do try
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a stack from chalk. You will be amazed at how
you feel. Choq dot com remember promo co jesse go
try it for a few months and see how you feel.
But that's not the point of our conversation here. The
point is I want you to have that. I want
me to have that. The FBI another great example. Look,
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you've got guys Cash Betel, Dan Bongino, people you know,
people we've talked about, people we've celebrated. They're out there
talking on the news and talking about this, and they
want to do this and they want to accomplish that
and we're gonna well, for instance, Dan Bongino went on
Fox News this morning said this, it was.
Speaker 6 (15:24):
A room and we found stuff, a lot of stuff
hidden room. I wouldn't call it hidden, but hidden from
us at least and not mentioned to us. And a
lot of it's from the Komi era. And we are
working our damn this right now to declassifying. Just so
you know, because I get the public, I totally understand
people saying we'll do it now. The process is not
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all the information is ours to classify some as other
intelligence agencies. It's not. We literally can't do it. Once
that gets done and that gets out there and you
read some of the stuff we found that, by the way,
was not processed through the normal procedure digitizing it, putting
in FBI records. We found it in bags hiding under
Jim call, you're gonna be st.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
How can you trust an organization that does things like that?
The Federal Bureau of Investigation troves of information that they
socked away in a room to hide it from the
new director and deputy director. How do you You can't
trust an organization like that. It doesn't matter who's in
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charge of it, who the new director is who the
new deputy director is to be. Frank. I think they
both have an impossible task. I've told Dan in case
you're wondering, I've told Dan that myself. But don't think
I'm just saying it to you. I've told him. I
don't think he can do what he wants to do,
reform the FBI, fixed the FBI. I don't believe it
can be done, and not only just because of the
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poison inside of the building. By the way, why haven't
the whistleblower has been brought back. That's a whole other
story entirely, not just because of the poison inside of
the building. I don't think you could do it because
the public has already left. When was the last time
we brought up a public poll. I don't remember the
last time it was about the public's view of the FBI.
You lost them. No, it wasn't obviously Cash and Dan
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that lost them, but the FBI as an organization gone
completely gone. Elections are another great example. It's really really
important for you and me to live in a country
where you can trust elections that they're honest, that they're
on the up and up, that every vote will be counted,
twenty twenty. That went away. And it doesn't matter how
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many Democrats you send to the news to say it
was the freest and fairest election ever. All that does
now is cement in people's minds that you did something dirty.
That's all that does now. Now that you've lost that trust,
where are we put us in a terrible place as
a country? Just like the kid whose mom didn't make dinner.
All right, We're moving off with that. I don't talk
about it anymore. I'm gonna talk to Brandon we Wikert.
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I want to know why why Donald Trump is upset
with Vladimir Putin now vocally he normally doesn't do that
blast away vocally. I want to know why Trump is
upset with Benjamin Nett and Yahoo vocally said something today
about it. We played it for you earlier. What's going on?
Let's talk to Brandon Net. True, it's the Jesse Kelly Show.
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It is the Jesse Kelly Show. And I want to
know what's going on with this whole Putin Ukraine Russia
stuff and why Trump is scolding Benjamin Nett and Yahoo. Basically,
I want to know why we're hearing things like this
every day.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
I can't tell you that, but I'll let you know
in about two weeks.
Speaker 4 (18:41):
Within two weeks, we're going to find out very soon,
we're going to find out whether or not he's tapping
us along or not.
Speaker 6 (18:49):
And if he is, we'll respond a little bit differently.
But it'll take about a week and a half.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
Two weeks we have.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
He's talking about Putin and Ukraine and whatnot. So let's
ask Brandon about that. Joining him now, Brandon Weikert, author
of so many books national security expert, including his book
Shadow War about Iran, which I really love. Brandon. Okay,
let's start in Russia Ukraine. Obviously we all know Trump
wants to end the whole thing. He's now vocally scolded
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Putin a couple of times. What's happening over.
Speaker 4 (19:20):
There, Well, I think everybody needs to remember, as fun
as it would be to say Putin is a mustache
twirling villain, he is responding Putin is to an assassination attempt.
Somebody tried to whack him. The Ukrainians are saying that,
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note it wasn't us, But I suspect what happened was
somebody in our intel services thought they had a beat
on Putin's helicopter. We know that our intel people have
been helping since at least twenty twenty three, serving as
targeting analysts for the Ukrainians when they were firing these
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long range missiles into Russia. We were helping them target
so that they'd be more precise. We also know that
the intel community has for the last two years claimed
they know where Putin is at all times and they
can take him out whenever they want, if it ever
came to that. Well, I think that this was not
actually Ukraine they pulled the trigger. But I think this
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was an assassination attempt against Putin by a rogue element
within our intelligence community. And I say that because Trump
he came out on Monday, I think it was Monday
or Tuesday, and he was scolding Putin, as you noted.
But then yesterday he came out and gave a brief
statement in which he said, I was just told about
an assassination attempt, and maybe that's why Putin is behaving
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the way he has been.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Well, in my.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
Opinion, why wasn't Trump, or my question is, why wasn't
Trump briefed immediately about this potential assassination attempt? And I
think that's to tell that there was a rogue element going,
you know, trying to manipulate things by getting rid of
Putin in the middle of this a very important negotiation.
They don't want negotiations, Jesse, they want war.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
Okay, So a couple big fat questions I have from
that one. You said we were helping the Ukrainians with
their long term targeting, including targets inside of Russian territory.
Are we still doing that? That's first question.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
Yeah, I would assume so, given the relationship that's been
built up between our intelligence services and the Ukrainians. I
know that the Ukrainians are not able to effectively. They
have the weapons, we gave them, the long range weapons,
but they're not very good at these long range targeting
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and the NATO intelligence services, including our intelligence services, have
been acting as targeting analysts for them. So I would
assume that's still going on. But I believe it's still
going on. Yes, I know it was going on during
the Biden regime though.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Okay, Now that actually leads me to this question, how
do you long range target these things in whatever way
you're allowed to tell us? Why are they bad at
it and we're good at it. What is this space satellite?
People don't know how this stuff works. How's it work?
Speaker 4 (22:19):
It's mostly Our space surveillance capability is really I wrote
a whole book on this, it's called Winning Space. Our
space surveillance capability is light years if you're part in
the pond. The dad joke is light years beyond what
a country like Ukraine has. It's actually probably light years
beyond what any other country except maybe China's catching up
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to us. Even Russia, which has an impressive space capability
as well, it doesn't come close to our surveillance capacity.
And so I believe that that's why we were being
used for targeting assistance.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
Why is our surveillance capacity so much better than every
other country? Does this just come down to money in volume?
We have enough money to put more satellites up there
than anyone else does. Is that what it is?
Speaker 4 (23:09):
That's part of it? In the Midder there was a
gap after the Cold War. The Russians were kind of
cut off at their knees for a period of time,
and we were kind of the only show and tell
when it came to space, and so that gave us
a lot of ability to kind of get a lead
on the rest of the world. Of course, as an aside,
those surveillance systems, while they're essential for US, they're also
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very easy to take out with anti satellite weapons, which
is what Chinea and Russia have been developing for the
last fifteen years, very effective capabilities to render US deaf, dumb,
and blind in space. But until that happens, we still
have the lead with these surveillance and communication capabilities.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Okay, so when it comes to Russia Ukraine, why don't
we just leave? Can we just leave? If that's what
Donald Trump wants to do. I realize he's trying to
broke deal and be a peacemaker, and I actually applaud
all that that's great. But if at some point in
time he gets frustrated, Putin doesn't want to end it,
Zelenski doesn't want to end it. Donald Trump is the president.
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Can he not say, hey, Cia, military, everybody pack up
your things, We're going home.
Speaker 4 (24:15):
Well, so this is basically my inaugural piece at the
American Conservative was published two days ago, and it was
exactly about this, that Donald Trump's gonna walk away from Ukraine.
And there's no doubt in my mind that that whatever, whatever,
you know, he's angry at Putin, He's not angry at Putin.
You know, it's different every day, and it's part of
the kind of the Trump show. You know, he's got
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to put on the show, like, yeah, he's holding Putin
to the fire. But ultimately, Trump bottom line, wants to
get a better working relationship with Russia. He rightly recognizes
that Russia is a much more integral player deal politically
than Ukraine will ever be, and so he is going
to go do the negotiation show for a little bit.
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He knows he's gotten a losing hand. He's going to
eventually drop Ukraine like a hot potato. Tell the Europeans
tag you're it, don't include us anymore. That he's going
to pivot and try to do direct deals with the
Russians on a coterie of other more important issues, ranging
from rare earth mineral development in Russia to Putin. A
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few weeks ago, positive that Elon Musk and him are
talking about doing a joint American Russian manned program to
Mars in the next year or two. That's something they're
wanting to try maybe doing together Russia and space. So
you know, we're moving beyond Ukraine. I think you're right.
I think that Trump will ultimately just drop Ukraine and
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tag you're at Europe.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
Yeah, I'm right a lot. Chris is used to that
around here. What Chris? What? It's just Brandon and I talking.
Don't get involved, Okay, So not to get too sidetracked.
I swear I'm gonna get to Iran and net and
Yaku in a moment. But where does China come into
play there? Because I know Russia and China have been
getting I know they're competitors in a lot of ways,
but they've been getting closer in recent years, almost out
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of necessity for both those countries as other parts of
the world are cutting them off. If we start getting
more friendly with Russia, where does that leave China.
Speaker 4 (26:17):
Well, that would technically, you would think you would leave
them in the odd man out position. And I think
that's what Trump and his people around him, the ones
that know what's going on, I think that that's the hope,
that's the ambition, is to overtime divorce Russia and China
from each other by favoring Russia over China. This is
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what Nixon did in reverse during the Cold War, and
it ended up actually setting the table that allowed for
Reagan to ultimately defeat the Communists the Soviet Union without
firing shot. Whether that's possible it's a little bit different now,
I don't know, But I do think at the very
least we can nudge Russia away from its total commitment
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to China. Ultimately, Russia is aware, they're keenly aware that
China views them as a junior partner. And I can
assure you that Vladimir Putin does not view himself as
a junior partner to anybody, and at some point he's
not going to want to be treated that way, either
certainly publicly or even behind you know, closed doors. Eventually,
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the limits to that supposedly limitless friendship he has with
g will be tested, especially as Trump offers a lot
of you know, tasty carrots, you know, come work with
us instead. We're still a much better market than is China,
and I think that Putin is looking for a better deal.
We just got to be willing to offer him at.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
Yeah, limitless friends are hard to come by. Okay, Brandon,
can you stay and just answer a couple more questions
about Trump and Net and Yahoo? Just sure, real quick? Okay,
we will be right back with more Brandon Weikert. Before
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dot com. We are back with Brandon Wikert, national security expert.
You need to go buy his books and you'll learn
a lot more than you will in school. Okay, Brandon.
Donald Trump is famously close with Israel. As you and
I've talked about this before. We've talked about it on
the air before. This is as vocal as I've ever
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heard him separate from them when it comes to Iran.
He's talking about net and yaku. He told him to
back off. He told, what's going on here? What does
Trump want out of this deal?
Speaker 4 (30:06):
Well, what Trump is trying to do is he's trying
to get to see this is not even He's just
trying to see if it's possible to get a real
reliable deal with Iran that secures not only the peace,
but our security by extension, by the way, the security
of our allies in the region, not just Israel, but
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it includes Israel as well, but also the Arab States
as well, who are also threatened by a nuclearizing Iran.
But he can't do that. If Iran is blowing up
the place or threatening to blow up the place, I'm
sorry Israel. If Israel's threatening to blow up the place,
which Israel is threatening to do. And so you know,
Trump has asked politely net Nyahu, you know, just keep
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your powder dry. Let's just see where the negotiations going
after that will reassess. But net Yahoo cannot do that.
And I think this is part because Netta Yahu is
politically his survival is on the line. Let's face it,
he missed key indicators and warnings as Prime Minister of
the impending Hamas attack on ten to seven. He knows
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that at some point the Israeli Parliament, Daness and Israeli
security is going to do an after action, a thorough
after action report, and eventually he will be blamed on
some level, because the buck ultimately stops with him. He
will be blamed for those failures on that day, and
he likely will lose his next his political future. Furthermore,
he was under all these criminal investigations before ten to seven,
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and all that sort of evaporated into the ether when
he became a wartime prime minister. And this is why
I think on some levels cynically he's opened up multiple
fronts against these different countries, saying it's part of the
ten to seven response, But really I think it was
because he was just trying to double down to prevent
the ultimate reckoning that he was going to have to
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face for mistakes he made as Prime Minister. So some
of this is self interest on his part, but ultimately
he is not interested in seeing the Trump administration even
try to negotiate. We don't know if this is going
to work out. I'm skeptical because of how the Iranian
regime is, but at the same time, Trump is probably
the greatest deal maker in history. So why don't we
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let the man work and see what happens, you know,
before we just write it off. There's absolutely no reason
to rush into what will be another regional war that
could trigger a third World War in the Middle East.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Brandon, you mentioned October seventh, and I have many friends
in Israel and outside of it who, when you know,
when we have discussions about it, they have a lot
of questions about that day, not necessarily accusations, but there
are people who want to understand how it's possible. Maybe
the most capable intelligence network on the planet. Given its size,
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Israel's how you could miss a thought thousand person raid
with paragliders into your country. So without being King Sinek Jesse,
how's that possible?
Speaker 4 (33:11):
Well, you know, the sort of non conspiratorial answer is
they got complacent, and we know that the Israelis when
it came to Hamas not necessarily has blow, which Israel's
always taken more seriously and they should because it's a
more comprehensive threat. But when it came to Hamas, particularly
under Netsan Yahu, there was the policy they nicknamed it
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mowing the grass, which is basically every so often the
Israelis would come in and sort of knock out a
handful of targets in the Gaza strip and sort of
keep the Aas threat under wraps. What people didn't realize
is under the table the Israeli government, Netanyahu's government, was
quietly paying off Hamas to basically not attack, to keep
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things quiet as best as possible, so that NETANYAHUO could
have a kind of clear laying field at home in Israel.
But what nobody seemed to realize is that they thought
they were buying loyalty from these Hamas leaders. Or at
least buying their cooperation. In fact, those Hamas leaders who
are committed to the destruction of Israel were taking that
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money and using it to rebuild their war machine that
we saw come on display on ten to seven. On
some level, the Israeli military, the Israeli intelligence services were
both complacent about the threat from Hamas, and they were
very arrogant. They didn't actually think Hamas was the real threat.
They thought Hesbla, they thought yourn, They didn't think Hamas
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was significant of a threat. They were proven wrong, and
I think you saw that. There's obviously more conspiratorial things
stand down orders for instance, and why wasn't net Yahoo
more on this given the size of the attack, etc.
Et cetera. I will leave that to a different day
to talk about, but I certainly have theories on that.
But basically, I do think a key component of this
(34:59):
was complacency plus arrogance about the Hamas threat on the
part of the Israeli security services. There's also a chance,
given what we know about what was going on with
Netanyahuo's legal issues. You know the same kind of lawfair
used against Donald Trump last year was used against Netan
Yahoo by the Israeli version of the FBI, the shin Bet.
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There is a chance that they didn't brief Netan Yahoo
fully on the threat, and he didn't take action because
he wasn't brief fully and it might have been part
of a kind of a deep state conspiracy to make
net Yahoo complacent so that they could then tend this
on him down the line and get him out, because
we know the Israeli deep state does not like Netan Yahoo.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
Well, glad to see we're not the only ones with
these problems. He is. Brandon Wiker, Thank you, my friend,
as always for giving us a bit of your time
and wisdom again today come back, so I appreciate you
very much. Foreign policy is a complicated affair, isn't it. Well,
that's why we always talk about that. It's so complicated,
different motivations, different divisions inside of the country. You're trying
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to strike a deal, but there's divisions inside of that country,
but you're not also working with a different country. It's
just foreign policy is complicated. As I've always said, with
the exception of chicken hawks, I have open ears for
all of it. I'll listen to any of it. I
want you to have open ears when I talk to
you about your dog and when he dies. Why do
(36:33):
all these dogs? Why do all these dogs get cancer
and die? My dog Hank died of cancer. Terrible thing.
Dogs over ten fifty percent of them die of cancer.
How's that possible? Well, dogs never get nutrition. We give
them dog food, brown dead dog food. It's just empty
(36:56):
calorie garbage. Sprinkle Rough Greens on your dog's food. How
much longer would you live if you had vitamins and
minerals and antioxidants and omega oils introduced into your diet
versus not having it at all? Well, your dog's the
same way, living, breathing thing. That's why we give it
to Fred, useless as he is. You want a free
(37:19):
jumpstart triobag eight three three three three my dog see
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Roughgreens dot com slash Jesse. We still have an entire hour.
Let's discuss the GOP trying to win back elon Musk
next
This is the Jesse Kelly Showay, the Jesse Kelly Show.
Another hour of the Jesse Kelly Show on a wonderful,
fantastic Thursday. Remember we got Brandon wik At about a
half hour from now talking Russia, Ukraine, Iran and net
and Yahoo stuff. We have Carol Roth next hour, but
(00:32):
we have other things we have to discuss, and there
are lots of them. Communist lies is on the list.
I have a fear about how bad the Democrats are.
Right now, I'll explain what I mean, But first I'm
going to talk again in a different way, about trust,
institutional trust, why it really matters in what's happening out there.
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So I'm gonna use this example because people, it can
be confusing. What actually is power? What is short term power?
What is lasting long term power? So let me explain
the difference. Let's say I am. I am in charge
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of the police department. I'm the police chief. Small town,
pretty small town. We're in West Virginia. We're in rural
West Virginia, and it's a twenty person police department. I
take over. I'm the police chief. I am an evil,
corrupt human being. Now I use my position as police
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chief to fill up my twenty person police department with
other evil, corrupt people, and we will deal drugs, we'll
commit murders, we'll do whatever with the authority of the
police department. In fact, if you, because you're part of
my town, if you make me angry, if I decide
I want you out of the way, maybe you witnessed
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me commit a crime, I have the power to gather
my men, my guns, and myself and come out to
your home and kill you, arrest you, shoot. You say,
that's short term power. I have that, But that's not
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long lasting, tangible power. And here's what I mean. If
I do that once twice, ten times, how many times
do me and my officers, how many times do we
have to commit a crime or do some kind of
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horribly corrupt thing until the people of my community decide
they no longer trust me, they have declared me to
be the enemy. And at some point in time, I
hop in a car with five of my cops and
we drive out to a home to commit a crime,
and we get ambushed and murdered by the people of
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the town. At some point it will happen. These things
don't happen without end. Now, why why did I end
up dying in losing my power because I lost the
trust of the people, and that that is long term,
lasting institutional power. And that's the most important kind of power.
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I realized. For the individual you when I showed up
to murder you, none of the long term stuff matters
because you're going to die in the short term. But
on a long term scale, on a thirty thousand foot
view scale, what matters for the institution. For my police department,
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the most important thing is that the people trust it
and rely on it. If I have the police department
will have power forever. If I violate that, if I
lose that, the people will take their trust away and
my police department in the end will be completely powerless
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at some point in time, no matter how long that takes.
Maybe it's twenty years, thirty years, but it will happen.
I saw this woman. She is affectionately known on this
show as doctor Witch, but her name is actually doctor Wynn.
She used to be in charge of Planned Parenthood. She
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now is obviously a contributor to CNN. She goes on
there to talk about medical things. She goes on there
to lie because it's CNN. She was ranting and raving
about RFK Junior in some of the things he's doing.
Here's what she said.
Speaker 2 (04:51):
This is the reason why we look to guidelines. There
are medical organizations that synthesize these data. And by the way,
we look up to the CDC, or at least throughout history,
we have looked up to the CDC, to the FDA
to compile these studies for us and to make recommendations.
And this we have always throughout history depended on our
federal agencies as the gold standard for expertise.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Really, these federal agencies, we have looked up to them
as the gold standard for expertise. Okay, she's actually not
wrong about that. It we hop at a time machine, you
and me, we go back to the year true, not
even ancient history. Twenty fifteen. And you ask Jesse if
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he believes the things the CDC says. Jesse says, yep,
I would tell you absolutely, Maybe not everything at face value.
But if the CDC put out a warning, hey, don't
travel to Mexico, don't eat this, don't it. I'm listening,
it's the CDC. So twenty fifteen, Jesse did very much
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trust organizations like the CDC. Now twenty twenty five Jesse
when the CDC is brought up, scoffs and rolls his eyes.
In fact, I'm looking at a headline here, I'll tell
you immediately the fellows put it in front of me, Chris,
Jewish producer Chris and producer Core. They put it in
front of me. I read it and I physically rolled
(06:22):
my eyes immediately. You want to know the headline new
Chinese COVID strain spreads to the US. Immediately, I went,
probably here we go again. Well, why it's only been
ten years. I don't know, Maybe we should go back
to this little flashback from that same doctor doctor which
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during COVID.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
Of course, I strongly believe that indoor masking should be
the case, including it in really in all schools in
this country at this point. But even in schools that
don't have masking, parents can still do their part and
take matters into their own hands. For example, talk to
other parents in your child's class see if the majority
of parents would agree with you to also put masks
on their kids. Also, make sure that your child is
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wearing at least a three applied surgical mask, not a
cloth face covering, because that helps to protect your child
better them try to get the school to also disclose
all positive cases and increased testing. That's something that there's
no fund.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
Why doesn't anybody trust these gold standard expertise organizations anymore?
Because you took down the outdoor basketball hoops, because you
told an entire country of three hundred million people to
stand six feet away from everybody, because you close schools,
because you cost people their jobs, because people had to
say goodbye to their parents by zoom in the hospital.
(07:44):
You arrested a paddle boarder in the ocean on camera
outside paddle boarding by himself. And you did all this,
all this using medical expertise as your shield, and you
did it as if that trust would be endless, and
(08:04):
now you're finding out it's not. It's finite. You know,
we were talking about Harvard earlier in the show, Harvard
this and Harvard that and Harvard this.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
I know Harvard has had a blast pushing communism into
American society. But whether or not Trump stomps him into
the ground in the end, it won't matter why because
you're already leaving.
Speaker 5 (08:29):
I think going into this, I think a lot of
Americans thought that higher ed needed a nice kick in
the rear end.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
What am I talking about here?
Speaker 5 (08:36):
Well, why don't we take a look at high confidence
and higher education. You go back a decade ago, fifty
seven percent of Americans had high confidence in higher education.
Speaker 1 (08:44):
Look at where we are now.
Speaker 5 (08:45):
That number has plummeted, plummeted as of last year, down
to thirty six percent. We're talking about a thirty six
point drop among Republicans. Specifically, get this, sixty eight percent
of Americans said that higher education was on the wrong track.
So it's a question of whether or not people agree
with Trump's tactics, but they definitely agree with him on
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the idea.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Two thirds of the country just a little while ago, yesterday,
two thirds of the country, when they heard names like Harvard, Stanford,
they thought to themselves, Wow, that's pretty cool man. You
would tell you got into Harvard. WHOA, Now you just
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heard the numbers. Two thirds of the country. When you
tell them Harvard you bring it up, they go, oh yeah,
here we go. And in the end, Harvard is finding
out what we've talked about over and over and over, agun.
Harvard is finding out what the FBI found out, what
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the medical establishment has found out, what the media has
found out. They're all finding out what Jesse tried to
warn everybody about years ago. Trust is necessary, and trust
is not an infinite supply. You violated enough times, people
(10:12):
will move on, and from there you'll discover that the
only true power you had, long lasting power, was the
trust they gave you, the legitimacy they gave you. Once
they remove it, it's gone and almost impossible to get back.
I'm going to expand on that just a little bit
more in a second hand. This is a Jesse Kelly show.
(10:38):
It is the Jesse Kelly Show. On a fantastic Thursday.
We have Brandon Wiker coming up about ten minutes from
now to do all kinds of foreign policy nerd out things.
But right now we're having another talk about trust. And
I want to be totally upfront and honest and crystal
(10:58):
clear about this. It's really important that we have institutions
we can trust and do trust. I don't celebrate where
we are, and you shouldn't either. It's a picture a
home with bad parents in it, and there's a child
in the home. Mom says, Hey, I'm gonna make you
(11:23):
dinner tonight so you don't go hungry, and then Mom
just gets drunk and passes out on the on the
couch and doesn't make dinner. And the next night she
tells that little boy, she tells that little girl, I'm
going to make you dinner tonight so you don't go hungry,
And she gets drunk and passes out on the couch
and doesn't make dinner. And this happens over and over
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and over and over and over again. Well, at some
point in time, that child is not going to trust
her anymore, not going to believe her anymore. When Mom
says anything dinner, what else doesn't matter, the trust will
be gone. Now that child, out of its own self interest,
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out of his own self interest, should remove that trust
because when mom says she'll make dinner, assume she's lying.
You gotta go fend for yourself, get your own dinner.
The child should remove the trust for his own survival.
But on a bigger level, this is a terrible situation
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because a child should have a mother. When she says
she'll make dinner, the child knows he'll get dinner. Exact
same thing happens with citizens in their institutions. I want
you to know that none of this is normal, and
none of this is Okay, you should have a medical
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establishment you can trust. You don't, and so you shouldn't
trust them, but you don't. And that Look, we'll focus
on medical because that's what we were talking about. Witch. Here,
let me be honest with you about something in my
own life, totally honest with you. Why do I talk
so much about natural things now, natural solutions, naturalness. You've
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heard me rant about big pharma. You've heard me rant
about the medical establishment. Why, well, they have violated my
trust and now I have to look elsewhere. Now do
you want to know why? Do you want to know
the real reason why? I mean, I've told you real
reasons before, But why is it? What? Chalk is a
great example. Why do I love Chalk so much? Well,
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the way I look at Chock Chock's natural herbal supplements. Obviously.
The way I look at Chalk is Chok keeps me
away from the doctor. That is my goal. And you
know what I hate that? I actually wish I had
a medical establishment that I trusted for everything, a doctor
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I trusted so much. Every month, every two months, I
go check in with the doc. Doc, this is what's
going on? This and that. Now, don't don't have any
of that at all. Well, you know what I take.
I take a mal vitality stack from chalk every day.
I take that not only because it makes me feel better,
because I feel like I'm preventing myself from ever having
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to go to the doctor. I check in with the
doctor's office when I want blood work done, and then
not at all because I have taken my trust away
and I don't celebrate that. I do celebrate chalk, and
I thank them for it, but that's not what I want.
I would like to have chalk and a doctor. Now
I just have chalk. Sucks. By the way, do try
(14:45):
a stack from chalk. You will be amazed at how
you feel. Choq dot com remember promo co jesse go
try it for a few months and see how you feel.
But that's not the point of our conversation here. The
point is I want you to have that. I want
me to have that. The FBI another great example. Look,
(15:05):
you've got guys Cash Betel, Dan Bongino, people you know,
people we've talked about, people we've celebrated. They're out there
talking on the news and talking about this, and they
want to do this and they want to accomplish that
and we're gonna well, for instance, Dan Bongino went on
Fox News this morning said this, it was.
Speaker 6 (15:24):
A room and we found stuff, a lot of stuff
hidden room. I wouldn't call it hidden, but hidden from
us at least and not mentioned to us. And a
lot of it's from the Komi era. And we are
working our damn this right now to declassifying. Just so
you know, because I get the public, I totally understand
people saying we'll do it now. The process is not
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all the information is ours to classify some as other
intelligence agencies. It's not. We literally can't do it. Once
that gets done and that gets out there and you
read some of the stuff we found that, by the way,
was not processed through the normal procedure digitizing it, putting
in FBI records. We found it in bags hiding under
Jim call, you're gonna be st.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
How can you trust an organization that does things like that?
The Federal Bureau of Investigation troves of information that they
socked away in a room to hide it from the
new director and deputy director. How do you You can't
trust an organization like that. It doesn't matter who's in
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charge of it, who the new director is who the
new deputy director is to be. Frank. I think they
both have an impossible task. I've told Dan in case
you're wondering, I've told Dan that myself. But don't think
I'm just saying it to you. I've told him. I
don't think he can do what he wants to do,
reform the FBI, fixed the FBI. I don't believe it
can be done, and not only just because of the
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poison inside of the building. By the way, why haven't
the whistleblower has been brought back. That's a whole other
story entirely, not just because of the poison inside of
the building. I don't think you could do it because
the public has already left. When was the last time
we brought up a public poll. I don't remember the
last time it was about the public's view of the FBI.
You lost them. No, it wasn't obviously Cash and Dan
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that lost them, but the FBI as an organization gone
completely gone. Elections are another great example. It's really really
important for you and me to live in a country
where you can trust elections that they're honest, that they're
on the up and up, that every vote will be counted,
twenty twenty. That went away. And it doesn't matter how
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many Democrats you send to the news to say it
was the freest and fairest election ever. All that does
now is cement in people's minds that you did something dirty.
That's all that does now. Now that you've lost that trust,
where are we put us in a terrible place as
a country? Just like the kid whose mom didn't make dinner.
All right, We're moving off with that. I don't talk
about it anymore. I'm gonna talk to Brandon we Wikert.
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I want to know why why Donald Trump is upset
with Vladimir Putin now vocally he normally doesn't do that
blast away vocally. I want to know why Trump is
upset with Benjamin Nett and Yahoo vocally said something today
about it. We played it for you earlier. What's going on?
Let's talk to Brandon Net. True, it's the Jesse Kelly Show.
(18:24):
It is the Jesse Kelly Show. And I want to
know what's going on with this whole Putin Ukraine Russia
stuff and why Trump is scolding Benjamin Nett and Yahoo. Basically,
I want to know why we're hearing things like this
every day.
Speaker 3 (18:38):
I can't tell you that, but I'll let you know
in about two weeks.
Speaker 4 (18:41):
Within two weeks, we're going to find out very soon,
we're going to find out whether or not he's tapping
us along or not.
Speaker 6 (18:49):
And if he is, we'll respond a little bit differently.
But it'll take about a week and a half.
Speaker 3 (18:53):
Two weeks we have.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
He's talking about Putin and Ukraine and whatnot. So let's
ask Brandon about that. Joining him now, Brandon Weikert, author
of so many books national security expert, including his book
Shadow War about Iran, which I really love. Brandon. Okay,
let's start in Russia Ukraine. Obviously we all know Trump
wants to end the whole thing. He's now vocally scolded
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Putin a couple of times. What's happening over.
Speaker 4 (19:20):
There, Well, I think everybody needs to remember, as fun
as it would be to say Putin is a mustache
twirling villain, he is responding Putin is to an assassination attempt.
Somebody tried to whack him. The Ukrainians are saying that,
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note it wasn't us, But I suspect what happened was
somebody in our intel services thought they had a beat
on Putin's helicopter. We know that our intel people have
been helping since at least twenty twenty three, serving as
targeting analysts for the Ukrainians when they were firing these
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long range missiles into Russia. We were helping them target
so that they'd be more precise. We also know that
the intel community has for the last two years claimed
they know where Putin is at all times and they
can take him out whenever they want, if it ever
came to that. Well, I think that this was not
actually Ukraine they pulled the trigger. But I think this
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was an assassination attempt against Putin by a rogue element
within our intelligence community. And I say that because Trump
he came out on Monday, I think it was Monday
or Tuesday, and he was scolding Putin, as you noted.
But then yesterday he came out and gave a brief
statement in which he said, I was just told about
an assassination attempt, and maybe that's why Putin is behaving
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the way he has been.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Well, in my.
Speaker 4 (20:48):
Opinion, why wasn't Trump, or my question is, why wasn't
Trump briefed immediately about this potential assassination attempt? And I
think that's to tell that there was a rogue element going,
you know, trying to manipulate things by getting rid of
Putin in the middle of this a very important negotiation.
They don't want negotiations, Jesse, they want war.
Speaker 1 (21:09):
Okay, So a couple big fat questions I have from
that one. You said we were helping the Ukrainians with
their long term targeting, including targets inside of Russian territory.
Are we still doing that? That's first question.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
Yeah, I would assume so, given the relationship that's been
built up between our intelligence services and the Ukrainians. I
know that the Ukrainians are not able to effectively. They
have the weapons, we gave them, the long range weapons,
but they're not very good at these long range targeting
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and the NATO intelligence services, including our intelligence services, have
been acting as targeting analysts for them. So I would
assume that's still going on. But I believe it's still
going on. Yes, I know it was going on during
the Biden regime though.
Speaker 1 (22:05):
Okay, Now that actually leads me to this question, how
do you long range target these things in whatever way
you're allowed to tell us? Why are they bad at
it and we're good at it. What is this space satellite?
People don't know how this stuff works. How's it work?
Speaker 4 (22:19):
It's mostly Our space surveillance capability is really I wrote
a whole book on this, it's called Winning Space. Our
space surveillance capability is light years if you're part in
the pond. The dad joke is light years beyond what
a country like Ukraine has. It's actually probably light years
beyond what any other country except maybe China's catching up
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to us. Even Russia, which has an impressive space capability
as well, it doesn't come close to our surveillance capacity.
And so I believe that that's why we were being
used for targeting assistance.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
Why is our surveillance capacity so much better than every
other country? Does this just come down to money in volume?
We have enough money to put more satellites up there
than anyone else does. Is that what it is?
Speaker 4 (23:09):
That's part of it? In the Midder there was a
gap after the Cold War. The Russians were kind of
cut off at their knees for a period of time,
and we were kind of the only show and tell
when it came to space, and so that gave us
a lot of ability to kind of get a lead
on the rest of the world. Of course, as an aside,
those surveillance systems, while they're essential for US, they're also
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very easy to take out with anti satellite weapons, which
is what Chinea and Russia have been developing for the
last fifteen years, very effective capabilities to render US deaf, dumb,
and blind in space. But until that happens, we still
have the lead with these surveillance and communication capabilities.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Okay, so when it comes to Russia Ukraine, why don't
we just leave? Can we just leave? If that's what
Donald Trump wants to do. I realize he's trying to
broke deal and be a peacemaker, and I actually applaud
all that that's great. But if at some point in
time he gets frustrated, Putin doesn't want to end it,
Zelenski doesn't want to end it. Donald Trump is the president.
(24:09):
Can he not say, hey, Cia, military, everybody pack up
your things, We're going home.
Speaker 4 (24:15):
Well, so this is basically my inaugural piece at the
American Conservative was published two days ago, and it was
exactly about this, that Donald Trump's gonna walk away from Ukraine.
And there's no doubt in my mind that that whatever, whatever,
you know, he's angry at Putin, He's not angry at Putin.
You know, it's different every day, and it's part of
the kind of the Trump show. You know, he's got
(24:37):
to put on the show, like, yeah, he's holding Putin
to the fire. But ultimately, Trump bottom line, wants to
get a better working relationship with Russia. He rightly recognizes
that Russia is a much more integral player deal politically
than Ukraine will ever be, and so he is going
to go do the negotiation show for a little bit.
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He knows he's gotten a losing hand. He's going to
eventually drop Ukraine like a hot potato. Tell the Europeans
tag you're it, don't include us anymore. That he's going
to pivot and try to do direct deals with the
Russians on a coterie of other more important issues, ranging
from rare earth mineral development in Russia to Putin. A
(25:20):
few weeks ago, positive that Elon Musk and him are
talking about doing a joint American Russian manned program to
Mars in the next year or two. That's something they're
wanting to try maybe doing together Russia and space. So
you know, we're moving beyond Ukraine. I think you're right.
I think that Trump will ultimately just drop Ukraine and
(25:41):
tag you're at Europe.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
Yeah, I'm right a lot. Chris is used to that
around here. What Chris? What? It's just Brandon and I talking.
Don't get involved, Okay, So not to get too sidetracked.
I swear I'm gonna get to Iran and net and
Yaku in a moment. But where does China come into
play there? Because I know Russia and China have been
getting I know they're competitors in a lot of ways,
but they've been getting closer in recent years, almost out
(26:06):
of necessity for both those countries as other parts of
the world are cutting them off. If we start getting
more friendly with Russia, where does that leave China.
Speaker 4 (26:17):
Well, that would technically, you would think you would leave
them in the odd man out position. And I think
that's what Trump and his people around him, the ones
that know what's going on, I think that that's the hope,
that's the ambition, is to overtime divorce Russia and China
from each other by favoring Russia over China. This is
(26:38):
what Nixon did in reverse during the Cold War, and
it ended up actually setting the table that allowed for
Reagan to ultimately defeat the Communists the Soviet Union without
firing shot. Whether that's possible it's a little bit different now,
I don't know, But I do think at the very
least we can nudge Russia away from its total commitment
(27:00):
to China. Ultimately, Russia is aware, they're keenly aware that
China views them as a junior partner. And I can
assure you that Vladimir Putin does not view himself as
a junior partner to anybody, and at some point he's
not going to want to be treated that way, either
certainly publicly or even behind you know, closed doors. Eventually,
(27:23):
the limits to that supposedly limitless friendship he has with
g will be tested, especially as Trump offers a lot
of you know, tasty carrots, you know, come work with
us instead. We're still a much better market than is China,
and I think that Putin is looking for a better deal.
We just got to be willing to offer him at.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
Yeah, limitless friends are hard to come by. Okay, Brandon,
can you stay and just answer a couple more questions
about Trump and Net and Yahoo? Just sure, real quick? Okay,
we will be right back with more Brandon Weikert. Before
we come back with more Brandon Weikert, I want to
remind you that tonight might be the night you lose
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your questions emailed in now to Jesse at Jesse kellyshow
dot com. We are back with Brandon Wikert, national security expert.
You need to go buy his books and you'll learn
a lot more than you will in school. Okay, Brandon.
Donald Trump is famously close with Israel. As you and
I've talked about this before. We've talked about it on
the air before. This is as vocal as I've ever
(29:52):
heard him separate from them when it comes to Iran.
He's talking about net and yaku. He told him to
back off. He told, what's going on here? What does
Trump want out of this deal?
Speaker 4 (30:06):
Well, what Trump is trying to do is he's trying
to get to see this is not even He's just
trying to see if it's possible to get a real
reliable deal with Iran that secures not only the peace,
but our security by extension, by the way, the security
of our allies in the region, not just Israel, but
(30:28):
it includes Israel as well, but also the Arab States
as well, who are also threatened by a nuclearizing Iran.
But he can't do that. If Iran is blowing up
the place or threatening to blow up the place, I'm
sorry Israel. If Israel's threatening to blow up the place,
which Israel is threatening to do. And so you know,
Trump has asked politely net Nyahu, you know, just keep
(30:51):
your powder dry. Let's just see where the negotiations going
after that will reassess. But net Yahoo cannot do that.
And I think this is part because Netta Yahu is
politically his survival is on the line. Let's face it,
he missed key indicators and warnings as Prime Minister of
the impending Hamas attack on ten to seven. He knows
(31:13):
that at some point the Israeli Parliament, Daness and Israeli
security is going to do an after action, a thorough
after action report, and eventually he will be blamed on
some level, because the buck ultimately stops with him. He
will be blamed for those failures on that day, and
he likely will lose his next his political future. Furthermore,
he was under all these criminal investigations before ten to seven,
(31:37):
and all that sort of evaporated into the ether when
he became a wartime prime minister. And this is why
I think on some levels cynically he's opened up multiple
fronts against these different countries, saying it's part of the
ten to seven response, But really I think it was
because he was just trying to double down to prevent
the ultimate reckoning that he was going to have to
(31:58):
face for mistakes he made as Prime Minister. So some
of this is self interest on his part, but ultimately
he is not interested in seeing the Trump administration even
try to negotiate. We don't know if this is going
to work out. I'm skeptical because of how the Iranian
regime is, but at the same time, Trump is probably
the greatest deal maker in history. So why don't we
(32:20):
let the man work and see what happens, you know,
before we just write it off. There's absolutely no reason
to rush into what will be another regional war that
could trigger a third World War in the Middle East.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
Brandon, you mentioned October seventh, and I have many friends
in Israel and outside of it who, when you know,
when we have discussions about it, they have a lot
of questions about that day, not necessarily accusations, but there
are people who want to understand how it's possible. Maybe
the most capable intelligence network on the planet. Given its size,
(32:57):
Israel's how you could miss a thought thousand person raid
with paragliders into your country. So without being King Sinek Jesse,
how's that possible?
Speaker 4 (33:11):
Well, you know, the sort of non conspiratorial answer is
they got complacent, and we know that the Israelis when
it came to Hamas not necessarily has blow, which Israel's
always taken more seriously and they should because it's a
more comprehensive threat. But when it came to Hamas, particularly
under Netsan Yahu, there was the policy they nicknamed it
(33:35):
mowing the grass, which is basically every so often the
Israelis would come in and sort of knock out a
handful of targets in the Gaza strip and sort of
keep the Aas threat under wraps. What people didn't realize
is under the table the Israeli government, Netanyahu's government, was
quietly paying off Hamas to basically not attack, to keep
(33:55):
things quiet as best as possible, so that NETANYAHUO could
have a kind of clear laying field at home in Israel.
But what nobody seemed to realize is that they thought
they were buying loyalty from these Hamas leaders. Or at
least buying their cooperation. In fact, those Hamas leaders who
are committed to the destruction of Israel were taking that
(34:15):
money and using it to rebuild their war machine that
we saw come on display on ten to seven. On
some level, the Israeli military, the Israeli intelligence services were
both complacent about the threat from Hamas, and they were
very arrogant. They didn't actually think Hamas was the real threat.
They thought Hesbla, they thought yourn, They didn't think Hamas
(34:36):
was significant of a threat. They were proven wrong, and
I think you saw that. There's obviously more conspiratorial things
stand down orders for instance, and why wasn't net Yahoo
more on this given the size of the attack, etc.
Et cetera. I will leave that to a different day
to talk about, but I certainly have theories on that.
But basically, I do think a key component of this
(34:59):
was complacency plus arrogance about the Hamas threat on the
part of the Israeli security services. There's also a chance,
given what we know about what was going on with
Netanyahuo's legal issues. You know the same kind of lawfair
used against Donald Trump last year was used against Netan
Yahoo by the Israeli version of the FBI, the shin Bet.
(35:22):
There is a chance that they didn't brief Netan Yahoo
fully on the threat, and he didn't take action because
he wasn't brief fully and it might have been part
of a kind of a deep state conspiracy to make
net Yahoo complacent so that they could then tend this
on him down the line and get him out, because
we know the Israeli deep state does not like Netan Yahoo.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
Well, glad to see we're not the only ones with
these problems. He is. Brandon Wiker, Thank you, my friend,
as always for giving us a bit of your time
and wisdom again today come back, so I appreciate you
very much. Foreign policy is a complicated affair, isn't it. Well,
that's why we always talk about that. It's so complicated,
different motivations, different divisions inside of the country. You're trying
(36:06):
to strike a deal, but there's divisions inside of that country,
but you're not also working with a different country. It's
just foreign policy is complicated. As I've always said, with
the exception of chicken hawks, I have open ears for
all of it. I'll listen to any of it. I
want you to have open ears when I talk to
you about your dog and when he dies. Why do
(36:33):
all these dogs? Why do all these dogs get cancer
and die? My dog Hank died of cancer. Terrible thing.
Dogs over ten fifty percent of them die of cancer.
How's that possible? Well, dogs never get nutrition. We give
them dog food, brown dead dog food. It's just empty
(36:56):
calorie garbage. Sprinkle Rough Greens on your dog's food. How
much longer would you live if you had vitamins and
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versus not having it at all? Well, your dog's the
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to Fred, useless as he is. You want a free
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