July 24, 2025 • 44 mins
Pam Bondi has a big test on her hands. Is she up for it? Jesse Kelly discusses with Russia hoax expert Lee Smith and lawyer Josh Hammer. But not before Jesse dives into a major issue being overlooked right now. Plus, a fantastic lighten the mood interview with the founder of Cart Narcs.I'm Right with Jesse Kelly on The First TV | 7-23-25
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
We still have to talk about immigration deportation. We can't
be distracted by everything else. But the Obama stuff does matter.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
This scandal was huge, Lee Smith joins us.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Josh Hamber tells us, can we even go after Obama
for all that?
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Oh that's coming up?
Speaker 3 (00:17):
And I'm right, I know.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
There are huge issues, huge scandals, And it seems like
every single day political people, you and me, we get
a new one. You know, we're still processing the last
one from yesterday or last week. And then we wake
up in the morning, we roll over and look at
our phones and we think, oh, my gosh, no, And
they do matter.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
The scandals do matter.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
But we do have to stay focused on the big
things too. We do have to prioritize what are the
biggest things we can do with this.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Little window of power we have right now.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
We have the presidency, we have the Senate, we have
the House, we have the midterms coming up.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
We might lose something of it. Right now.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
We need to make sure, in the words of a
congressman I used to know, we have to make sure
we're keeping the big deal, the big deal. This Obama
scandal was not to be ignored. It probably is the
greatest political scandal in American history. And we'll get to
that a little bit with Lee Smith. But there is
no bigger deal than illegal immigration then massively deporting all
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of the foreigners who have flooded into this country over
the decades, not just the Biden years, but for decades
prior to that. Now, maybe maybe you don't care that
much about it, and then then you want some deportive
but it does not something and occupies your mind. You're
focused on other issues. I'm not here to tell you
(01:55):
you're wrong. But the beauty of communists is they will
tell you where their power truly lies. They will tell
you what they're afraid of you attacking. All you have
to do is listen to them, and they will let
you know this thing is really important to us. Don't
(02:16):
hurt this thing, Please don't touch this, and just listen
to these people. Here was Hunter Biden recently.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
Well for someone, am Mi, I be like all these
Democrats say, you have to talk about and realize that
people are really upset about illegal immigration. You how do
you think your hotel room gets cleaned? How do you
think you get food on your table? Who do you
think washes your dishes? Who do you think does your garden?
Who do you think is here by the sheer just
(02:47):
grit and will that they've figured out a way to
get here because they thought that they could give theirselves
in their family a better chance. And he's somehow convinced
all of us that these people are in the.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
Criminals, setting me all the f words aside.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
That was a lot, wasn't it.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Obviously we can't just focus on Hunter Biden. It's Democrat
after Democrat after Democrat after Democrat. They can't stop running
to the camera and trying to keep illegals here.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Here's Gavenussen.
Speaker 5 (03:17):
You care about farmers and ranchers. If that's what you're
like your number one go to commitment, then you sure
as hell care should care about their workers. Forty percent
of our construction workers. Texas and California have a highest
percentage of their construction workers that would fall into that category.
How the hell do we rebuild Alta, Dina and Palisades.
(03:38):
We're gonna need a peak next year. We asked me
about seventy thousand workers. Without that workforce ain't going to happen.
You're struggling a year. You imagine it peak there. So
I think there needs to be a pathway for those folks.
As we secure the border, then we own that issue.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Do you feel that they're taking American jobs?
Speaker 5 (03:55):
Not not Untillarry County, not on a Ventura County. I
don't know many people that want a job out there
in those packing facilities. I don't see many people look
like me jumping at those jobs.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
I just don't.
Speaker 5 (04:10):
Maybe there's some exceptions. I haven't seen the evidence of that.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Okay, So just as we go along here, we'll do
a couple more of these. Just trying to keep track
of the reasons we were given.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Picking the strawberries.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
You don't want to have to pick strawberries, do you,
Gavin News some switch to make it about the California wildfires.
If you don't want the illegals here, then you don't
want them to rebuild.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
That was odd.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Sometimes they just go for flat out threatening the ICE
agents and forcing it. Quite a move for the mayor
of Los Angeles.
Speaker 6 (04:40):
First is that his agents, some of them fear that
their families will be retaliated against, and that's why they
are covering their faces. That they do wear markings for
the agencies that they work with.
Speaker 7 (04:52):
How do you respond.
Speaker 8 (04:55):
Well, well, First, of all, let me just tell you
that the mask men not from Los Angeles, and so
how their families could be retaliated against? And then what
is that to say to local law enforcement the Los
Angeles Police Department, none of whom are ever masked, who
always identify themselves and even hand someone a business card.
(05:16):
So that makes absolutely no sense at all. And I
don't know, but I have a hard time believing that
the woman selling pineapples on the corner is going to
attack an ICE agent. And then when he says that
there's identification, the problem is many of these men are
in playing clothes with vest on that say police, it
looks like something that they could have gotten online.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
We'll stop. I could do this for an hour. Why
are they so passionate about this? It's not popularity. You
can look at all the polls. Virtually every single one says,
oh yeah, deportations are great, deport more. This is not
a winning issue for them. So why are they so
incredible passionate about it? Well, when you just accept and
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acknowledge the fact that all these people are soul esteem
and politicians, it's not that they care about the strawberries.
It's not that they care about rebuilding the palisades. It's
none of that at all. Let's focus on why they
truly care. Well, there's a story as old as time,
and that story is evil tyrants in any form of government.
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Evil tyrants prefer foreigners over their citizens. Evil tyrants prefer
foreigners over their citizen of Plato talked about this. That's
how old this concept is, and it's a very simple
concept to understand. You See, if I am an evil tyrant,
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then what is the true big threat to me? I'm
an evil person. I'm just trying to loot and pillage
a country. I'm in charge of that country. What is
the true threat? Who is most likely to write eyes
up and stop me? The patriotic citizens of whatever country
I'm pillaging. So if I have a problem with the
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most patriotic citizens in that country, citizens loyal to that country,
citizens like you who want a better country, then.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Well I need some new people in here. I need
to bring.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
In some people who don't feel a sense of loyalty
to the country. I need some people brought in, essentially,
call them citizen mercenaries. I need some people brought in
who I can pay off with the five hundred dollars,
visa card and some Medicaid benefits, a room with the
ros about hotel, and they'll crap out fifteen kids who will.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Vote Democrat for the rest of their lives.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Thus, patriotic citizens like you simply get outnumbered in the end.
It's a simple calculation. It's not accidental that the Western
civilization countries led by evil people, from France to Germany,
to America, to the UK, to Ireland to Canada, I
could go down the list, are all struggling with this
exact same thing, the importation of foreign barbarians, bringing in
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drugs and crime, raping and pillaging the people.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Why are all of.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
These politicians on board with the exact same policy because
the policy is good for them.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
It's about money and power.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Back in twenty twenty one, this boron Vet Clark again.
If you just listen to communists, they'll tell you. Vet
Clark went on camera and said why she loves illegal immigration.
Speaker 9 (08:28):
And from Brooklyn, New York, we have a diaspora that
can absorb a significant number of these migrants. And you know,
when I hear colleagues talk about, you know, the doors
of the en being closed.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
No room.
Speaker 9 (08:45):
In the end, I'm saying, you know, I need more
people in my district, but just for redistricting purposes, and
those members could could clearly fit here.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
I need more people in my district for redistrict purposes.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Otherwise I lose power. Not about the country.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
The country never enters that demon's mind when she raises
in the morning, when she lays down at night, she
thinks about herself and power, and she understands the mass
importation of foreign barbarians may end up with your daughter
raped and your wife murdered, but it keeps her in Congress.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
So why Chuck Schumer got up and said this.
Speaker 10 (09:28):
Now more than ever, we're short of workers. We have
a population that is not reproducing it on its own
with the same level that it used to. The only
way we're going to have a great future in America
is if we welcome and embrace immigrants, the Dreamers and
all of them, because our ultimate goal is to help
the Dreamers, but get a path to citizenship for all
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eleven million or however many undocumented there are.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
He just listen.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
When they talk, they will tell you the game. And
before I let you go, before we move on, We're
not done here. But we have a big show for you.
Do keep in mind that it's not just Democrats that
believe in flooding this country with foreign barbarians giving them amnesty.
We still have foxes in our own henhouse. We still
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have people inside the GOP today pushing for amnesty. Here's
Maria Salazar of Florida, who needs a primary.
Speaker 11 (10:25):
If you are undocumented and you have been in the
country for more than five years, you do not have
a criminal record, you're working in paying taxes. You can
come out of the shadows with no fear and apply
for the dingity status. That means they will pay a
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fine of seven thousand dollars over seven years by their
own health insurance, with no access to any federal programs,
and contribute one percent of their salary to the United
States Jury.
Speaker 12 (11:00):
That is fifty billion dollars plus. Just do the math.
In return, they will never be deported.
Speaker 11 (11:08):
They will be able to go home for Christmas or
to go bury their mother, and come back to the
United States to continue working in paying taxes. It gives
them a dignified life and the promise to.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
Pretty revealing what these people think about America. You can
violate our sovereignty. Come over here, pillage this country, and
then for a small percentage of your paycheck will allow
you to stay here. We need these people out of Congress.
All that may have made you uncomfortable, but I am right.
We have a gigantic show for you. This Russian situation
(11:42):
with Obama is a really, really, really big deal. Lee
Smith is all over it, and we will talk to
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Speaker 13 (12:48):
There is irrefutable evidence that detail how President Obama and
his national security team directed the creation of an intelligence
community assessment that they knew was fault. They knew it
would promote this contrived narrative that Russia interfered in the
twenty sixteen election to help President Trump win, selling it
to the American people as though.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
It were true.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
It wasn't.
Speaker 13 (13:13):
The report that we released today shows in great detail
how they carried this out. They manufactured findings from shoddy sources,
They suppressed evidence and credible intelligence that disproved their false claims.
They disobeyed traditional trade craft intelligence community standards, and withheld
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the truth from the American people.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
I am really struggling not to get my hopes up.
I watched that Tall SA press conference earlier today. I've
been talking to you about all this this week. This
has gone well beyond me running my mouth about it
on television, the DNI standing in front of the American
people saying things like once you say irrefutable.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Evidence is I'm going to go down for all this?
Joining me now.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
The guy who was on this a long time before today,
Lee Smith, author of Well, so many wonderful things, but
the book, plot against the President, disappearing the President, the
permanent coup. None of this stuff is news to Lee Okay, Lee,
Obama being the engineer of all this is of course
something you and I have talked about for age. Well
you've told me about for ages. You've been all over
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this for a very long time. Can somebody go down,
and I mean somebody big, not some useless idy at
Lackey at the FBI. This sounds seriously.
Speaker 7 (14:34):
I don't know if Obama is going to go down,
you know, I mean, he's a former president of the
United States. So of course with Dan I Telsea Gabbard said,
is exactly correct that that intelligence community assessment was changed
on Obama's orders. And in fact, that's that's been that's
been out there, and it didn't even take an investigative
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reporter to get to the bottom of that. That's what
their own press was saying. It's Obama who ordered he
wanted it done before he left office. So all that
is exactly true. Again, whether that points to criminal activity
on Obama's behalf, I don't know. But Jesse, the big
news that I'm here to bring you, I don't know
if it's news, but maybe a new mood. There's lots
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of reasons for optimism, and one of that the main
reason is that the right. People are on board. Donald
Trump on the campaign trail, promised to put an end
to the weaponization of the federal government, and he put
people in positions where they can make that happen. Telsea
Gabbart is one of them, but I mean the top
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name on there is Cash Patel, and reports in particular
from John Solomon show that that Patel is right now
working on a very large conspiracy case going from twenty
sixteen to twenty twenty four. And I want to remind
people when Cash Pttel was lead investigator for Devin Nunez's
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Intelligence Committee, they made several referrals to the DOJ in
April twenty nineteen, and one of those referrals included a
large conspiracy case. Now, one of the good things about
the conspiracy case. I don't want to get too far
into details, not being a lawyer, but my understanding is
that one of the important things about the conspiracy cases
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there's lots of different things in there that would allow
you to get around statute of limitations. So again, Jesse,
I know you don't want to play this role, and
I don't want to play this role either of Pollyanna,
but again, there's reason to be optimistic. And that's why
Donald Trump was why Donald Trump won the popular vote
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in November twenty twenty four, because he gave people optimism,
but a lot of different things, and certainly then, certainly
this is one of them. So yeah, I'm certainly hopeful.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
Okay, I'm going to ask you something.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
It may sound a little odd, but I'm asking this
because you're an expert on this and I am not.
You've written books on it, you've been talking about it
for a very long time. Barack Obama post election, Okay,
so they've lost. Donald Trump's coming into the White House
takes this extraordinary step, and now we have documentation, it's
not arguable he takes the step to weaponize the CIAFBI
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against Donald Trump. Now, Donald Trump or Obama's a lot
of things, but a moron is not one of them.
How could he ever imagine that he wouldn't eventually get
caught for this when he's about to lose power. It's
not like he's doing this when he just won an election.
Donald Trump just won the election. Why would you take
a step like that?
Speaker 7 (17:38):
Well, I mean, you know, one argument that people make
is the actual Obama. Look, they're two different parts to
Russiagate here right, there's the part before the election, and
what we're looking at is a Hillary Clinton campaign dirty
trick tarring vilifying Trump as a Russian agent. The real
problem there was is that the FBI used that allegation
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on the Trump campaign. So that's the real problem there,
you know, not a dirty trick in the campaign. It's rotten, nasty,
but nothing worse than what LBJ might have done. The
real problem happens after the election, when Barack Obama takes
control of it. So arguably one of the things that
Obama was doing with that operation was covering up the FBI,
(18:23):
covering up the FBI spying on the Trump campaign. And look,
Barack Obama and Barack Obama associates and affiliates kept Donald
Trump tied down during the entirety of his first term.
Joe Biden won in twenty twenty. Had Donald Trump not
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been elected in twenty twenty four, Jesse, Barack Obama's gamble
would have paid off richly.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Right.
Speaker 7 (18:52):
He got away with all this stuff, and no one
was ever the wiser for it. There were a bunch
of clowns like Lee Smith, you know, driving their family
the wall by writing three books about this over the
course of five years. But aside from you, aside from
conspiracy theorist lunatics like Lee Smith and his friend Jesse Kelly,
and he talks about this non sense with on TV,
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no one believes it. No serious people believe it. Barack
Obama there was never a scandal in his administration deal
with the facts that would have been the case. And
that's why you see the press losing their minds right now.
And that's why you see the Obama office releasing a
statement regarding Trump what they call Trump's bizarre allegations. So Obama, Obama,
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Obama very nearly got away with it. And again I'm optimistic,
but this is there are no charges yet. Right again,
there are criminal referrals there. There is reportedly an investigation underway,
but there's still a ways to go before we see
whether or not Barack Obama and Barack Obama AIDS will
be held responsible for what they did. Again, what cash
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Betel looking at is twenty sixteen to twenty twenty.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Four, Lee, what did John Brennan?
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Do you know more about this than anybody?
Speaker 2 (20:10):
What did he actually do? Director?
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Is Central Intelligence Agency shouldn't be even be operating domestic.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Leave it all that aside. What did he do well?
Speaker 7 (20:19):
I mean, there's something. I wrote a piece about this
last week for Tablet. He did something, There was something,
this is this is actually important. You know. For everything
that Brennan and other intelligence chiefs said about the all
of the intelligence that they were getting regarding what Russia
was doing with Trump officials, there was only one genuine
piece of Russian intelligence that the CIA that US spy
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agencies picked up regarding Trump and Russia, and that was this.
The Russians understood because they'd been hacking Clinton the emails
of Clinton associates. The Russians understood that Hillary Clinton had had.
Part of Hillary Clinton's too twenty sixteen campaign was to
frame Trump as a Russian agent. So the Russians were
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aware of this. When this intelligence came in to the CIA,
it came in from an allied service. When it came
to the CIA, Brennan was supposed to spread the word
that this happened. According to John Durham's report, it seems
that John Brennan, or someone close to John Brennan buried
this information and so that could get Brennan in quite
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a bit of trouble. This is known as the Clinton
Plan intelligence, and it appears that Brennan might have buried
that intelligence and he might have he might have tampered
with evidence. So I think that this is something that
people will be looking at at DOJ, at the FBI,
and this may be one reason why John Brennan was
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referred by SAA Director John Ratcliffe to the Director Cash
Petel for an investigation.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Is there some I mean the Brennan's, the Clappers, the Comi's,
the Obamas. These are big names that most people, I mean,
anyone who reads Lee Smith is going to know these names.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Is there another name?
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Because there usually is a name behind the name who's
doing a lot of evil deeds?
Speaker 2 (22:15):
Anita Dunn is one of these type of people.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Is there a name behind the name that we should
be talking about more? Who has their fingerprints all over this?
Speaker 7 (22:23):
Very good question, I would say, And you know there
some people have reported on this guy, but this was
a powerful official at Obama's DJ A man named David Laufman,
and David Laufman was responsible or David Lafman was part
of the driving force in the Crossfire Hurricane investigation, which
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was investigating Trump aids. Michael Flynn, George Popadopolis, Carter Page,
Paul Manafort, and another Trump aid. And so it was
David Laufman who was using the Fairer Statute to target
Trump aids. So I think David Laufman is probably a
name that people should be aware of and should be
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checking out. Weirdly, David Laufman was also part of the
was also part of the attack on Brett Kavanaugh. So
so Laufman is a name that is a name that
Americans should be aware of.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Another one of these communist henchmen who goes in there
and does what he does. Lee as always, thank you, brother,
I appreciate you. There's always one of those guys. That's
why I asked him. You know, we know the headliners,
but there's always one of these communist menaces. They don't
want to be on TV, they don't never rise to
the top, but they're behind the scenes doing their evil things.
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And what a shock that he was involved in the
Kavanaugh thing too.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
That's why I asked it.
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Speaker 13 (25:00):
This new information implicates former President Obama and criminal behavior.
We have referred and will continue to refer all of
these documents to the Department of Justice and the FBI
to investigate the criminal implications of this The evidence correct
the evidence that we have found and that we have
released directly point to President Obama leading the manufacturing of
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this intelligence assessment. There are multiple pieces of evidence and
intelligence that confirm that fact.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
Okay, well, that's really bad, and this, as we've talked about,
has gone to a different level here. It's one thing
for you and me to sit and talk about. It's
another thing entirely for the paperwork itself to land on
Pam Bondi's desk. But as I've told you over and
over again, these people have to go to prison, but
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I'm not telling you they will. Powerful people oftentimes don't
go down. Let's see what Josh has to say. Joining
me now, my friend Josh Cammer, host of the Josh
Cammer Show. Josh, let's start with Barack Obama himself and
then we'll move on to the other things. Barack Obama
needs to go to prison for this, but I'm also
not naive.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Can he go to prison for this? Jesse?
Speaker 14 (26:18):
I want to be told that he can. I also
think that Barack Obama's personal activity in the Russia collusion
delusion is irrefutable and undeniable, as many like Lee Smith,
have been saying for many, many years, and now Tolsey
Gabber is finally revealing you know for all to see
with this tremendous public service of the declassification. But I
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do not see it happening unless there is something glaring
that I am missing, and I don't think that I'm
missing anything quite that glaring. This is a pretty straightforward
application of the US Supreme Court case that just came
down this past summer. We just did this, this idea
of trying to prosecute form president. In that case it
was President Donald J.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
Trump.
Speaker 14 (26:57):
We got to the Supreme Court. We have the case
Trump versus the United States. The Court, as many of
us predicted, kind of gives us this multi layer tier
of presidential conduct. But the Court said very clearly that
there is absolute immunity from future criminal prosecution for any
actions that were taken in office for core presidential activity.
And no matter how egregious, the underlying conduct is here,
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and it is deeply, deeply offensive and egregious, it is
nonetheless core presidential activity. I hate to say it because
it involves the direction of the IC of the Intelligent Community,
the CIA, the FBI, and SA. I mean, this is
bread and butter Article two presidential power type stuff. So
I'm open to the other arguments. I would love to
be proven wrong. But I tend to be realist about
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these things, and I love to give people false hope.
So I just don't see it happening.
Speaker 12 (27:43):
Unfortunately.
Speaker 5 (27:45):
No.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
I love that you're a realist, Josh. I do let
me play the very uneducated, angry citizen, and I don't
have to play that.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
That's exactly what I am.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
So you are telling me that a president is allowed
to create false information using the Central Intelligence Agency attack
his political opponents with that, and he still has immunity
from doing that.
Speaker 14 (28:14):
So I I mean, when he phrased it like that, look,
I really really want to say no. But if you
think about what he's actually doing there, he is directing
the intelligence agencies to purportedly act in accordance with gathering intelligence.
Now we know that's not what he's actually doing there.
He's trying to create this whole fraud, this hoax on
the American people, trying to handicap the Trump presidency in
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this case before it even started, back during the transition period.
And sure enough, that's exactly what happened. By the way,
when Jim Callmi tapped Bob Muller, the Muller probe takes
up literally more than half over two years of the
four years of the first Trump term. So the Obama
plot was unfortunately phenomenally successful in undermining much of the
Trump presidency there. But this does seem to me like
(28:58):
it falls under the absolute immunity category of the Trump
versus United States a opinion at the Supreme Court. I'll
give you an example of something that would not fall
under the category of absolute immunity. If if Barack Obama,
you know, there's these rumors of blacka Michelle getting a divorce,
if Barack Obama finds Michelle Obama sleeping with someone else
and then in a fit of rage, takes out a
gun and shoots the guy dead. There, Okay, that's not
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core Article two presidential power. That's a local homicide for
the Washington d C. Prosecutor's office and the Washington DC Police.
But something like this, unfortunately, I do think Jesse would
be immunized there. And I appreciate what the administration is
doing very very very much there, but I think they're
getting a little ahead of their skis when it comes
to the specific threat of prosecuting Barack Obama.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
Okay, all right, let's set him aside. Then that sucks,
but that's life. Who can go down, Josh John Brennan, James,
call me to use your position, high up position in
these powerful agencies to politics on behalf of Democrats and
attack the republic like an incoming Republican president. That sounds
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like a crime that should send you to prison for
the rest of your life.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
Can they go down?
Speaker 14 (30:07):
So look, I mean, I'm the lawyer, right, so I'll
play the part of lawyer. I mean, I mean, here's
how it works. When someone does something really, really bad,
you still need a specific statute that that outlines what
that person did wrong, and you it has to be
within the period of the statute of limitations. The statute
of limitations cannot have expired unless, of course you're at
(30:28):
your Alvin Bragg and then you somehow find a way
to get over the five year statute limitations for the
misdemeanor there and then the ridiculous Stormy Daniel's prosecution. So
you know, there are some very creative ways here, and
we can talk about that a little bit more if
you want to. But you know, Jesse, upon looking here again,
I haven't necessarily seen Pam BONDI the doj outline what
their theory of the case is yet. That's probably because
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I'm not sure they have one yet. This is very
much a new, unfolding situation there. There are a few
possible statutes that come to mind. There's eighteen US Code
Seption two forty two, which is a federal criminal conspiracy
to deprive constitutional rights that has I believe a five
year or in most a seven year statute of limitations.
But I believe I believe it's a five year statute
of limitations. There's the Espionage Act, I guess in theory,
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I mean that that is what the Democratic Law Fair
Complex use against Donald Trump and the Marol Lago Classified
Document's case. It's a very very sloppy fit here. There
is a seditious conspiracy, I mean conspiracy to literally commit treason,
which is basically what Tulsea Gabbert and Donald Trump himself
are saying there. I think that also has a five
to seven year statute of limitations there. So you would
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have to start to get a little creative here when
it comes to trying to start the tolling of the
statute of limitations at a later date. I don't pretend
to know exactly how that would work, but that's the
kind of thing that you would basically have to do.
So it's possible, But I think that there are potentially
glaring statue of limitations problems, which makes sense, frankly, given
that we're talking about conduct that took place at this point,
almost a decade ago.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
What about jurisdiction, Josh, everybody and their brother knows a
Democrat cannot be convicted of anything in Washington, d C.
Because it's only communists who live there. Therefore, only communists
in the jury pool. John Solomon and others have said
this case could very well be moved to Florida.
Speaker 14 (32:13):
What say you, Well, there's no reason in theory why
it couldn't be moved out of Washington, d C.
Speaker 12 (32:21):
I can't.
Speaker 14 (32:21):
I can't necessarily think of a reason why it hasn't
necessarily be in Washington, d C. But yeah, he's right,
John Solomon is right that I assume that you have
a case, assuming that you've somehow managed to solve the
statute limitations problem, you found a statue that fits the
crime there, and we've got you know, we've got all
the eyes and crossed all those teas, then yeah, it's
entirely possible that a jury pool could basically sing this
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before it even gets going there. That's that's always an issue,
of course, when it comes to these blue city jurisdictions. There, look, Jesse,
I guess kind of zooming out here. It's very frustrating
because I want to say that what I really feel,
which is that this was treason. I mean, this was horrid,
fit horrific, horrific behavior, and it is loathsome. It is
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offensive to me as an American citizen, as an American patriot.
It is deeply offensive that there has not been a
smidgen of justice other than the former FBI attorney Kevin Kleinsmith,
who forged a fiz of surveillance warrant, who spy on
Carter Page. He's the only one who's paid any price.
And he just had twelve months probation in four hundred
hours of community service, so he got absolutely nothing. So
(33:24):
I hate, hate the fact that none of these people
are doing purp walks and handcuffs and serving time behind bars.
But again, I have to play the part of lawyer here,
and it's tough. It's an uphill slog, honestly.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
All right, does Pam BONDI have the chops to try
this case or she gonna have to go special counsel.
Speaker 14 (33:45):
This seems to me like it would be a good
fit for a special counsel if look, if the D
and I Tulsa Gabbard is as serious as she seems
to be about all the declassifications, which we've seen a
lot of this thus far. It kind of corroborates much
of what we've already known for years about the extent
to which John Brand others were involved there. And this
really is, indeed, this is one of the biggest scandals
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in modern American political history there. It is absolutely the
kind of situation where a special council would be called for.
Now it's worth noting, and I'll just flag it that
we've kind of sort of already been down this road before.
It was it was the Durham probe. This is back
when the former US Attorney for Connecticut, John Durham, when
he was called in for to be a special council
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to do exactly this back during the first Trump term,
and ultimately John Durham came back with a with a
conclusion that was basically a lame duck where he didn't
actually end up recommending any specific criminal prosecution. So there's
there's there's a potential risk here.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
Of deja vu.
Speaker 14 (34:44):
You know, the great New York Yankees Catcher Yogi Berra
what might have called a deja vu all over again.
But there is there had been new developments between the
Durham probe and now when it comes to what Tulsa
has declassified. So I'm I think that's probably the way
to go here. But again I'm very to get the
people's hopes up there because we have kind of tried
this already with the Durham probe, and that Durham probe
was basically a big fat nothing burger unfortunately.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
Okay, finally, final one Adam shift. Is he going down
for mortgage fraud? Or is this more wishful thinking?
Speaker 14 (35:16):
Okay, So that that is probably the highest probability item here.
I'm not going to confidently predict that that that he is.
Speaker 12 (35:23):
But there is no real.
Speaker 14 (35:24):
Kind of glaring kind of structural legal issue that leaps
off the page. There there's a there's not a Trump
versus the United States Supreme Court opinion on presidential immunity.
There's no kind of glaring statute limitations bomb there. At
that point, you're kind of getting into a factual dispute.
You know, may the best lawyer win, you know, pound
the table, convince the jury, that sort of thing. So
that's the kind of courtroom drama that I love, that
(35:45):
you love, that we all love there. That strikes me
as a much higher probability. Frankly, if I'm just being
very realistic, then what else we're talking about here?
Speaker 1 (35:54):
He's the host of the Josh Hammer Show. If you
want more of this stuff, thank you, brother, I appreciate you.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
That sucks.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
I'm not surprised. I told you they need to go down.
That doesn't mean they're gonna go down. Well, see fingers crossed.
I'm always ready to be surprised. I'm surprised at how
good olive oil can be. I'll tell you that that
surprises me. I've always been kind of okay on olive oil.
I understand Ah was gonna put it in whatever pasta
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chicken she's cooking it. But I get all that, but
not a big deal to me. I didn't realize all
of our olive oil was old. No one thinks about that.
The olive oil you buy in the grocery store is
months old, sometimes years old.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
That's not good.
Speaker 1 (36:44):
Think about how much flavor is lost during that period
of time. Now, maybe you don't believe me, totally fine,
I get it. I'm not sure I would believe me.
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(37:30):
you ever heard of cart narks? Look, I do the
same thing you do when I'm killing time.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
I'm in an airport.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
Maybe I'm in bed. You shouldn't do this before bed,
but I do it. I go scrolling on social media
and look for something, something that entertains me.
Speaker 2 (37:44):
Right, So cart narcs. You know this is a passion
of mine. I've told you before.
Speaker 1 (37:51):
I'm not even really joking that if you could automatically
deport every human being who doesn't put their cart back,
the country would increase, It would be better, exponential, just
because it tells you it's revealing of how you look
at yourself in your place in the world. Well, we
have Agent Sebastian with us.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
Now. Cart Narks is his baby.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
He's the founder of it, and I'm dying to talk
to him before we get to him. Though, in case
you're wondering, maybe I haven't seen it. They expose these
people here it is Oh.
Speaker 15 (38:21):
Look at that half curving cutally where that's that where
the cards go?
Speaker 8 (38:25):
Sir?
Speaker 15 (38:27):
Well you should because they watched. What does the signs
say on the car? Return please return cards.
Speaker 3 (38:32):
Here and there?
Speaker 15 (38:34):
So I doesn't say please return cards there. I'm just
getting to help putting into a shame, sir. Now, sir, well,
as soon as you return your cart, would you like
a magnet instead? Now, sir, as soon as you take
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your cards up?
Speaker 12 (39:00):
Picture don't know you, I'll look at yourself. Who's carrying
crab all alive?
Speaker 2 (39:05):
Look? Sir?
Speaker 5 (39:05):
Sir?
Speaker 15 (39:09):
We give you two because you're being such an angry bones.
Speaker 12 (39:12):
What're that mag flaggo? You know he's getting This guy
is so.
Speaker 15 (39:17):
Angry, he's getting double magnets and a flag. Watch out
behind you, sir, what a jerk.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
Face joining me?
Speaker 7 (39:31):
Now?
Speaker 1 (39:31):
Agent Sebastian the founder of Carton Arts. Okay, Sebastian, I
have to know how you even came up with this concept.
Speaker 12 (39:40):
Well, it's it is surprisingly dull. Quite frankly, it is.
Was me and a friend talking in the office and
we were just asked.
Speaker 16 (39:48):
The question, why don't people do this? You know, what's
their problem? And people have been asking this question for decades.
We're not I'm not original in that thought. But what
I did was I went out and asked people. I
just walked up the p People didn't have the vest
or the uniform of the magnets and that stuff, and I.
Speaker 12 (40:04):
Just asked people. And immediately I got violence. All the
excuses in the book.
Speaker 16 (40:10):
People were angry at me, really angry at themselves spoiler alert.
And so from there I just kind of said, well, okay,
obviously there's something here. There's something ridiculous going on with
these people. And I just kind of thought to myself, well,
what if that? Then what else?
Speaker 12 (40:25):
You know, the type of person who would do this?
Speaker 16 (40:27):
Would they had there be an agency and one thing
led to another, and that's where we are today.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
I have to ask, because you're the one who's out
there in the field, if you will seeing these people
meeting these people, do you notice any kind of a
constant theme, and I mean, is.
Speaker 2 (40:44):
It old, young men, women, white, black?
Speaker 1 (40:47):
Is there any kind of a consistent theme or does
it just come down to find the self centered person?
Speaker 16 (40:53):
And there you go, Well, you're right, You're right to
an extent there that is. It really doesn't matter a sex, raise,
socioeconomic as far as the people who will leave them out.
Speaker 12 (41:05):
That's across the board.
Speaker 16 (41:07):
However, the people who were willing to fight me, and
what you kind of see and hear this guy didn't
specifically attack me, but the guy Proberct previously did. The
guys who are willing to fight me are number one
guys and number two they tend to be like thirty
five to fifty five middle aged guys who are willing
to throw down over a shopping cart. And I think
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it has to do with they're now at the point
in their life where they're the boss. Because I'll go
up to like eighteen nineteen twenty year olds, they're usually
just like okay, but those older guys will want to battle,
and I think it has to do with, you know,
they don't want to hear it from me, some dweeb
and a vest.
Speaker 1 (41:47):
Have you so have you been physically attacked? Surely one
of these guys is it's big of a nut job
to actually throw a swing or something at you.
Speaker 16 (41:55):
A lot have tried, even more have promised. But what
I tell people is it's really easy not to get
in a fight in life in general.
Speaker 12 (42:04):
Just don't get in a fight.
Speaker 2 (42:05):
Don't be within.
Speaker 16 (42:07):
Arm and fist distance of a person which is only
three or four feet.
Speaker 12 (42:11):
And so then when people say, oh.
Speaker 16 (42:12):
You're you're a woos you won't fight, and I'm like, well, yeah,
that's the whole point. The point of cardon Arcs is
not to get in parking lot fights. It is to
get people to behave in a civil manner. And again
that's why I say, use your words, don't fight over
this stuff, you know, try to talk through your problems.
Speaker 12 (42:29):
But unfortunately some people just don't don't want to do that.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
So how how long have you been doing this? Exactly?
Speaker 1 (42:41):
And I'm asking, really, how long do you intend to
do this? Because I geek out on these I find
them to be so hilarious, and every time I see
some guy losing his temper, I'll be honest, I worry
about your safety a little bit. There's so many psychos
out there now. Somebody pulls out a knife or something
like that, Well.
Speaker 12 (42:59):
That's a fair fair question. I'm coming up on.
Speaker 16 (43:04):
Seven years, you know, part time as a hobby or whatever,
and people have pulled knives, They've pulled guns, pepper spray, tasers,
all that stuff, besides fists and all that other stuff
and throwing stuff, you know, drinks or whatever at me.
And yet you know, everybody, no matter what you're doing,
especially in something that's a physical danger to yourself.
Speaker 12 (43:24):
There's a retirement age. I don't know what that is yet.
Speaker 16 (43:27):
Hopefully I'm not forced into retirement via injury, but I
do have no plans to stop as of yet.
Speaker 1 (43:35):
How do you keep your cool when you're getting cussed
out like that when you call them I'll be honest,
maybe the funniest part.
Speaker 2 (43:40):
Was when you called them a lazy bones. I just
burst It makes me burst out laughing. Every time I've
seen that clip ten times. That just murders me.
Speaker 16 (43:47):
Well, it's I think it's my natural demeanor, is I.
I'm just a calm, rational person in general, and so
I was sort of built for this because I hear
that comment all that's a great, great observation. And somebody
said I couldn't do Cardon because when somebody started swinging
at me and screaming at me and threatening to run
me over, I would respond in kind, which I would
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be to an extent justified in doing so. But like
you mentioned, it wouldn't It wouldn't go with the whole mission.
The whole mission is to get people to behave civilly,
and so part of it is I am naturally a
calm person. But part of it too is I've done
this thousands of times, so I've seen the patterns of
behavior over and over again.
Speaker 12 (44:25):
Uh. And I just don't have to need to screaming anybody.
Speaker 2 (44:29):
Agent Sebastian. It is cart and Arcs.
Speaker 1 (44:32):
Go track them down on YouTube. You will laugh until
you cry. Thank you, my man, for the service you do.
I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (44:41):
All right, Little something different tonight.
Speaker 3 (44:45):
See them
We still have to talk about immigration deportation. We can't
be distracted by everything else. But the Obama stuff does matter.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
This scandal was huge, Lee Smith joins us.
Speaker 1 (00:13):
Josh Hamber tells us, can we even go after Obama
for all that?
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Oh that's coming up?
Speaker 3 (00:17):
And I'm right, I know.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
There are huge issues, huge scandals, And it seems like
every single day political people, you and me, we get
a new one. You know, we're still processing the last
one from yesterday or last week. And then we wake
up in the morning, we roll over and look at
our phones and we think, oh, my gosh, no, And
they do matter.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
The scandals do matter.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
But we do have to stay focused on the big
things too. We do have to prioritize what are the
biggest things we can do with this.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Little window of power we have right now.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
We have the presidency, we have the Senate, we have
the House, we have the midterms coming up.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
We might lose something of it. Right now.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
We need to make sure, in the words of a
congressman I used to know, we have to make sure
we're keeping the big deal, the big deal. This Obama
scandal was not to be ignored. It probably is the
greatest political scandal in American history. And we'll get to
that a little bit with Lee Smith. But there is
no bigger deal than illegal immigration then massively deporting all
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of the foreigners who have flooded into this country over
the decades, not just the Biden years, but for decades
prior to that. Now, maybe maybe you don't care that
much about it, and then then you want some deportive
but it does not something and occupies your mind. You're
focused on other issues. I'm not here to tell you
(01:55):
you're wrong. But the beauty of communists is they will
tell you where their power truly lies. They will tell
you what they're afraid of you attacking. All you have
to do is listen to them, and they will let
you know this thing is really important to us. Don't
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hurt this thing, Please don't touch this, and just listen
to these people. Here was Hunter Biden recently.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
Well for someone, am Mi, I be like all these
Democrats say, you have to talk about and realize that
people are really upset about illegal immigration. You how do
you think your hotel room gets cleaned? How do you
think you get food on your table? Who do you
think washes your dishes? Who do you think does your garden?
Who do you think is here by the sheer just
(02:47):
grit and will that they've figured out a way to
get here because they thought that they could give theirselves
in their family a better chance. And he's somehow convinced
all of us that these people are in the.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
Criminals, setting me all the f words aside.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
That was a lot, wasn't it.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Obviously we can't just focus on Hunter Biden. It's Democrat
after Democrat after Democrat after Democrat. They can't stop running
to the camera and trying to keep illegals here.
Speaker 2 (03:16):
Here's Gavenussen.
Speaker 5 (03:17):
You care about farmers and ranchers. If that's what you're
like your number one go to commitment, then you sure
as hell care should care about their workers. Forty percent
of our construction workers. Texas and California have a highest
percentage of their construction workers that would fall into that category.
How the hell do we rebuild Alta, Dina and Palisades.
(03:38):
We're gonna need a peak next year. We asked me
about seventy thousand workers. Without that workforce ain't going to happen.
You're struggling a year. You imagine it peak there. So
I think there needs to be a pathway for those folks.
As we secure the border, then we own that issue.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
Do you feel that they're taking American jobs?
Speaker 5 (03:55):
Not not Untillarry County, not on a Ventura County. I
don't know many people that want a job out there
in those packing facilities. I don't see many people look
like me jumping at those jobs.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
I just don't.
Speaker 5 (04:10):
Maybe there's some exceptions. I haven't seen the evidence of that.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Okay, So just as we go along here, we'll do
a couple more of these. Just trying to keep track
of the reasons we were given.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
Picking the strawberries.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
You don't want to have to pick strawberries, do you,
Gavin News some switch to make it about the California wildfires.
If you don't want the illegals here, then you don't
want them to rebuild.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
That was odd.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Sometimes they just go for flat out threatening the ICE
agents and forcing it. Quite a move for the mayor
of Los Angeles.
Speaker 6 (04:40):
First is that his agents, some of them fear that
their families will be retaliated against, and that's why they
are covering their faces. That they do wear markings for
the agencies that they work with.
Speaker 7 (04:52):
How do you respond.
Speaker 8 (04:55):
Well, well, First, of all, let me just tell you
that the mask men not from Los Angeles, and so
how their families could be retaliated against? And then what
is that to say to local law enforcement the Los
Angeles Police Department, none of whom are ever masked, who
always identify themselves and even hand someone a business card.
(05:16):
So that makes absolutely no sense at all. And I
don't know, but I have a hard time believing that
the woman selling pineapples on the corner is going to
attack an ICE agent. And then when he says that
there's identification, the problem is many of these men are
in playing clothes with vest on that say police, it
looks like something that they could have gotten online.
Speaker 1 (05:39):
We'll stop. I could do this for an hour. Why
are they so passionate about this? It's not popularity. You
can look at all the polls. Virtually every single one says,
oh yeah, deportations are great, deport more. This is not
a winning issue for them. So why are they so
incredible passionate about it? Well, when you just accept and
(06:02):
acknowledge the fact that all these people are soul esteem
and politicians, it's not that they care about the strawberries.
It's not that they care about rebuilding the palisades. It's
none of that at all. Let's focus on why they
truly care. Well, there's a story as old as time,
and that story is evil tyrants in any form of government.
(06:25):
Evil tyrants prefer foreigners over their citizens. Evil tyrants prefer
foreigners over their citizen of Plato talked about this. That's
how old this concept is, and it's a very simple
concept to understand. You See, if I am an evil tyrant,
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then what is the true big threat to me? I'm
an evil person. I'm just trying to loot and pillage
a country. I'm in charge of that country. What is
the true threat? Who is most likely to write eyes
up and stop me? The patriotic citizens of whatever country
I'm pillaging. So if I have a problem with the
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most patriotic citizens in that country, citizens loyal to that country,
citizens like you who want a better country, then.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Well I need some new people in here. I need
to bring.
Speaker 1 (07:19):
In some people who don't feel a sense of loyalty
to the country. I need some people brought in, essentially,
call them citizen mercenaries. I need some people brought in
who I can pay off with the five hundred dollars,
visa card and some Medicaid benefits, a room with the
ros about hotel, and they'll crap out fifteen kids who will.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
Vote Democrat for the rest of their lives.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
Thus, patriotic citizens like you simply get outnumbered in the end.
It's a simple calculation. It's not accidental that the Western
civilization countries led by evil people, from France to Germany,
to America, to the UK, to Ireland to Canada, I
could go down the list, are all struggling with this
exact same thing, the importation of foreign barbarians, bringing in
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drugs and crime, raping and pillaging the people.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Why are all of.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
These politicians on board with the exact same policy because
the policy is good for them.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
It's about money and power.
Speaker 1 (08:16):
Back in twenty twenty one, this boron Vet Clark again.
If you just listen to communists, they'll tell you. Vet
Clark went on camera and said why she loves illegal immigration.
Speaker 9 (08:28):
And from Brooklyn, New York, we have a diaspora that
can absorb a significant number of these migrants. And you know,
when I hear colleagues talk about, you know, the doors
of the en being closed.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
No room.
Speaker 9 (08:45):
In the end, I'm saying, you know, I need more
people in my district, but just for redistricting purposes, and
those members could could clearly fit here.
Speaker 1 (08:56):
I need more people in my district for redistrict purposes.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Otherwise I lose power. Not about the country.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
The country never enters that demon's mind when she raises
in the morning, when she lays down at night, she
thinks about herself and power, and she understands the mass
importation of foreign barbarians may end up with your daughter
raped and your wife murdered, but it keeps her in Congress.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
So why Chuck Schumer got up and said this.
Speaker 10 (09:28):
Now more than ever, we're short of workers. We have
a population that is not reproducing it on its own
with the same level that it used to. The only
way we're going to have a great future in America
is if we welcome and embrace immigrants, the Dreamers and
all of them, because our ultimate goal is to help
the Dreamers, but get a path to citizenship for all
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eleven million or however many undocumented there are.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
He just listen.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
When they talk, they will tell you the game. And
before I let you go, before we move on, We're
not done here. But we have a big show for you.
Do keep in mind that it's not just Democrats that
believe in flooding this country with foreign barbarians giving them amnesty.
We still have foxes in our own henhouse. We still
(10:17):
have people inside the GOP today pushing for amnesty. Here's
Maria Salazar of Florida, who needs a primary.
Speaker 11 (10:25):
If you are undocumented and you have been in the
country for more than five years, you do not have
a criminal record, you're working in paying taxes. You can
come out of the shadows with no fear and apply
for the dingity status. That means they will pay a
(10:48):
fine of seven thousand dollars over seven years by their
own health insurance, with no access to any federal programs,
and contribute one percent of their salary to the United
States Jury.
Speaker 12 (11:00):
That is fifty billion dollars plus. Just do the math.
In return, they will never be deported.
Speaker 11 (11:08):
They will be able to go home for Christmas or
to go bury their mother, and come back to the
United States to continue working in paying taxes. It gives
them a dignified life and the promise to.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
Pretty revealing what these people think about America. You can
violate our sovereignty. Come over here, pillage this country, and
then for a small percentage of your paycheck will allow
you to stay here. We need these people out of Congress.
All that may have made you uncomfortable, but I am right.
We have a gigantic show for you. This Russian situation
(11:42):
with Obama is a really, really, really big deal. Lee
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Speaker 13 (12:48):
There is irrefutable evidence that detail how President Obama and
his national security team directed the creation of an intelligence
community assessment that they knew was fault. They knew it
would promote this contrived narrative that Russia interfered in the
twenty sixteen election to help President Trump win, selling it
to the American people as though.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
It were true.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
It wasn't.
Speaker 13 (13:13):
The report that we released today shows in great detail
how they carried this out. They manufactured findings from shoddy sources,
They suppressed evidence and credible intelligence that disproved their false claims.
They disobeyed traditional trade craft intelligence community standards, and withheld
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the truth from the American people.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
I am really struggling not to get my hopes up.
I watched that Tall SA press conference earlier today. I've
been talking to you about all this this week. This
has gone well beyond me running my mouth about it
on television, the DNI standing in front of the American
people saying things like once you say irrefutable.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Evidence is I'm going to go down for all this?
Joining me now.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
The guy who was on this a long time before today,
Lee Smith, author of Well, so many wonderful things, but
the book, plot against the President, disappearing the President, the
permanent coup. None of this stuff is news to Lee Okay, Lee,
Obama being the engineer of all this is of course
something you and I have talked about for age. Well
you've told me about for ages. You've been all over
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this for a very long time. Can somebody go down,
and I mean somebody big, not some useless idy at
Lackey at the FBI. This sounds seriously.
Speaker 7 (14:34):
I don't know if Obama is going to go down,
you know, I mean, he's a former president of the
United States. So of course with Dan I Telsea Gabbard said,
is exactly correct that that intelligence community assessment was changed
on Obama's orders. And in fact, that's that's been that's
been out there, and it didn't even take an investigative
(14:55):
reporter to get to the bottom of that. That's what
their own press was saying. It's Obama who ordered he
wanted it done before he left office. So all that
is exactly true. Again, whether that points to criminal activity
on Obama's behalf, I don't know. But Jesse, the big
news that I'm here to bring you, I don't know
if it's news, but maybe a new mood. There's lots
(15:17):
of reasons for optimism, and one of that the main
reason is that the right. People are on board. Donald
Trump on the campaign trail, promised to put an end
to the weaponization of the federal government, and he put
people in positions where they can make that happen. Telsea
Gabbart is one of them, but I mean the top
(15:37):
name on there is Cash Patel, and reports in particular
from John Solomon show that that Patel is right now
working on a very large conspiracy case going from twenty
sixteen to twenty twenty four. And I want to remind
people when Cash Pttel was lead investigator for Devin Nunez's
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Intelligence Committee, they made several referrals to the DOJ in
April twenty nineteen, and one of those referrals included a
large conspiracy case. Now, one of the good things about
the conspiracy case. I don't want to get too far
into details, not being a lawyer, but my understanding is
that one of the important things about the conspiracy cases
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there's lots of different things in there that would allow
you to get around statute of limitations. So again, Jesse,
I know you don't want to play this role, and
I don't want to play this role either of Pollyanna,
but again, there's reason to be optimistic. And that's why
Donald Trump was why Donald Trump won the popular vote
(16:43):
in November twenty twenty four, because he gave people optimism,
but a lot of different things, and certainly then, certainly
this is one of them. So yeah, I'm certainly hopeful.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
Okay, I'm going to ask you something.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
It may sound a little odd, but I'm asking this
because you're an expert on this and I am not.
You've written books on it, you've been talking about it
for a very long time. Barack Obama post election, Okay,
so they've lost. Donald Trump's coming into the White House
takes this extraordinary step, and now we have documentation, it's
not arguable he takes the step to weaponize the CIAFBI
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against Donald Trump. Now, Donald Trump or Obama's a lot
of things, but a moron is not one of them.
How could he ever imagine that he wouldn't eventually get
caught for this when he's about to lose power. It's
not like he's doing this when he just won an election.
Donald Trump just won the election. Why would you take
a step like that?
Speaker 7 (17:38):
Well, I mean, you know, one argument that people make
is the actual Obama. Look, they're two different parts to
Russiagate here right, there's the part before the election, and
what we're looking at is a Hillary Clinton campaign dirty
trick tarring vilifying Trump as a Russian agent. The real
problem there was is that the FBI used that allegation
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on the Trump campaign. So that's the real problem there,
you know, not a dirty trick in the campaign. It's rotten, nasty,
but nothing worse than what LBJ might have done. The
real problem happens after the election, when Barack Obama takes
control of it. So arguably one of the things that
Obama was doing with that operation was covering up the FBI,
(18:23):
covering up the FBI spying on the Trump campaign. And look,
Barack Obama and Barack Obama associates and affiliates kept Donald
Trump tied down during the entirety of his first term.
Joe Biden won in twenty twenty. Had Donald Trump not
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been elected in twenty twenty four, Jesse, Barack Obama's gamble
would have paid off richly.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
Right.
Speaker 7 (18:52):
He got away with all this stuff, and no one
was ever the wiser for it. There were a bunch
of clowns like Lee Smith, you know, driving their family
the wall by writing three books about this over the
course of five years. But aside from you, aside from
conspiracy theorist lunatics like Lee Smith and his friend Jesse Kelly,
and he talks about this non sense with on TV,
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no one believes it. No serious people believe it. Barack
Obama there was never a scandal in his administration deal
with the facts that would have been the case. And
that's why you see the press losing their minds right now.
And that's why you see the Obama office releasing a
statement regarding Trump what they call Trump's bizarre allegations. So Obama, Obama,
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Obama very nearly got away with it. And again I'm optimistic,
but this is there are no charges yet. Right again,
there are criminal referrals there. There is reportedly an investigation underway,
but there's still a ways to go before we see
whether or not Barack Obama and Barack Obama AIDS will
be held responsible for what they did. Again, what cash
(19:59):
Betel looking at is twenty sixteen to twenty twenty.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Four, Lee, what did John Brennan?
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Do you know more about this than anybody?
Speaker 2 (20:10):
What did he actually do? Director?
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Is Central Intelligence Agency shouldn't be even be operating domestic.
Speaker 2 (20:16):
Leave it all that aside. What did he do well?
Speaker 7 (20:19):
I mean, there's something. I wrote a piece about this
last week for Tablet. He did something, There was something,
this is this is actually important. You know. For everything
that Brennan and other intelligence chiefs said about the all
of the intelligence that they were getting regarding what Russia
was doing with Trump officials, there was only one genuine
piece of Russian intelligence that the CIA that US spy
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agencies picked up regarding Trump and Russia, and that was this.
The Russians understood because they'd been hacking Clinton the emails
of Clinton associates. The Russians understood that Hillary Clinton had had.
Part of Hillary Clinton's too twenty sixteen campaign was to
frame Trump as a Russian agent. So the Russians were
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aware of this. When this intelligence came in to the CIA,
it came in from an allied service. When it came
to the CIA, Brennan was supposed to spread the word
that this happened. According to John Durham's report, it seems
that John Brennan, or someone close to John Brennan buried
this information and so that could get Brennan in quite
(21:27):
a bit of trouble. This is known as the Clinton
Plan intelligence, and it appears that Brennan might have buried
that intelligence and he might have he might have tampered
with evidence. So I think that this is something that
people will be looking at at DOJ, at the FBI,
and this may be one reason why John Brennan was
(21:50):
referred by SAA Director John Ratcliffe to the Director Cash
Petel for an investigation.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Is there some I mean the Brennan's, the Clappers, the Comi's,
the Obamas. These are big names that most people, I mean,
anyone who reads Lee Smith is going to know these names.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Is there another name?
Speaker 1 (22:10):
Because there usually is a name behind the name who's
doing a lot of evil deeds?
Speaker 2 (22:15):
Anita Dunn is one of these type of people.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Is there a name behind the name that we should
be talking about more? Who has their fingerprints all over this?
Speaker 7 (22:23):
Very good question, I would say, And you know there
some people have reported on this guy, but this was
a powerful official at Obama's DJ A man named David Laufman,
and David Laufman was responsible or David Lafman was part
of the driving force in the Crossfire Hurricane investigation, which
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was investigating Trump aids. Michael Flynn, George Popadopolis, Carter Page,
Paul Manafort, and another Trump aid. And so it was
David Laufman who was using the Fairer Statute to target
Trump aids. So I think David Laufman is probably a
name that people should be aware of and should be
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checking out. Weirdly, David Laufman was also part of the
was also part of the attack on Brett Kavanaugh. So
so Laufman is a name that is a name that
Americans should be aware of.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
Another one of these communist henchmen who goes in there
and does what he does. Lee as always, thank you, brother,
I appreciate you. There's always one of those guys. That's
why I asked him. You know, we know the headliners,
but there's always one of these communist menaces. They don't
want to be on TV, they don't never rise to
the top, but they're behind the scenes doing their evil things.
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And what a shock that he was involved in the
Kavanaugh thing too.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
That's why I asked it.
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Speaker 2 (24:29):
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But Jesse I can't afford to lose I can't afford
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Speaker 2 (24:32):
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Speaker 2 (24:50):
We'll be back.
Speaker 13 (25:00):
This new information implicates former President Obama and criminal behavior.
We have referred and will continue to refer all of
these documents to the Department of Justice and the FBI
to investigate the criminal implications of this The evidence correct
the evidence that we have found and that we have
released directly point to President Obama leading the manufacturing of
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this intelligence assessment. There are multiple pieces of evidence and
intelligence that confirm that fact.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
Okay, well, that's really bad, and this, as we've talked about,
has gone to a different level here. It's one thing
for you and me to sit and talk about. It's
another thing entirely for the paperwork itself to land on
Pam Bondi's desk. But as I've told you over and
over again, these people have to go to prison, but
(25:55):
I'm not telling you they will. Powerful people oftentimes don't
go down. Let's see what Josh has to say. Joining
me now, my friend Josh Cammer, host of the Josh
Cammer Show. Josh, let's start with Barack Obama himself and
then we'll move on to the other things. Barack Obama
needs to go to prison for this, but I'm also
not naive.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Can he go to prison for this? Jesse?
Speaker 14 (26:18):
I want to be told that he can. I also
think that Barack Obama's personal activity in the Russia collusion
delusion is irrefutable and undeniable, as many like Lee Smith,
have been saying for many, many years, and now Tolsey
Gabber is finally revealing you know for all to see
with this tremendous public service of the declassification. But I
(26:39):
do not see it happening unless there is something glaring
that I am missing, and I don't think that I'm
missing anything quite that glaring. This is a pretty straightforward
application of the US Supreme Court case that just came
down this past summer. We just did this, this idea
of trying to prosecute form president. In that case it
was President Donald J.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
Trump.
Speaker 14 (26:57):
We got to the Supreme Court. We have the case
Trump versus the United States. The Court, as many of
us predicted, kind of gives us this multi layer tier
of presidential conduct. But the Court said very clearly that
there is absolute immunity from future criminal prosecution for any
actions that were taken in office for core presidential activity.
And no matter how egregious, the underlying conduct is here,
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and it is deeply, deeply offensive and egregious, it is
nonetheless core presidential activity. I hate to say it because
it involves the direction of the IC of the Intelligent Community,
the CIA, the FBI, and SA. I mean, this is
bread and butter Article two presidential power type stuff. So
I'm open to the other arguments. I would love to
be proven wrong. But I tend to be realist about
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these things, and I love to give people false hope.
So I just don't see it happening.
Speaker 12 (27:43):
Unfortunately.
Speaker 5 (27:45):
No.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
I love that you're a realist, Josh. I do let
me play the very uneducated, angry citizen, and I don't
have to play that.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
That's exactly what I am.
Speaker 1 (27:56):
So you are telling me that a president is allowed
to create false information using the Central Intelligence Agency attack
his political opponents with that, and he still has immunity
from doing that.
Speaker 14 (28:14):
So I I mean, when he phrased it like that, look,
I really really want to say no. But if you
think about what he's actually doing there, he is directing
the intelligence agencies to purportedly act in accordance with gathering intelligence.
Now we know that's not what he's actually doing there.
He's trying to create this whole fraud, this hoax on
the American people, trying to handicap the Trump presidency in
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this case before it even started, back during the transition period.
And sure enough, that's exactly what happened. By the way,
when Jim Callmi tapped Bob Muller, the Muller probe takes
up literally more than half over two years of the
four years of the first Trump term. So the Obama
plot was unfortunately phenomenally successful in undermining much of the
Trump presidency there. But this does seem to me like
(28:58):
it falls under the absolute immunity category of the Trump
versus United States a opinion at the Supreme Court. I'll
give you an example of something that would not fall
under the category of absolute immunity. If if Barack Obama,
you know, there's these rumors of blacka Michelle getting a divorce,
if Barack Obama finds Michelle Obama sleeping with someone else
and then in a fit of rage, takes out a
gun and shoots the guy dead. There, Okay, that's not
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core Article two presidential power. That's a local homicide for
the Washington d C. Prosecutor's office and the Washington DC Police.
But something like this, unfortunately, I do think Jesse would
be immunized there. And I appreciate what the administration is
doing very very very much there, but I think they're
getting a little ahead of their skis when it comes
to the specific threat of prosecuting Barack Obama.
Speaker 1 (29:42):
Okay, all right, let's set him aside. Then that sucks,
but that's life. Who can go down, Josh John Brennan, James,
call me to use your position, high up position in
these powerful agencies to politics on behalf of Democrats and
attack the republic like an incoming Republican president. That sounds
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like a crime that should send you to prison for
the rest of your life.
Speaker 2 (30:05):
Can they go down?
Speaker 14 (30:07):
So look, I mean, I'm the lawyer, right, so I'll
play the part of lawyer. I mean, I mean, here's
how it works. When someone does something really, really bad,
you still need a specific statute that that outlines what
that person did wrong, and you it has to be
within the period of the statute of limitations. The statute
of limitations cannot have expired unless, of course you're at
(30:28):
your Alvin Bragg and then you somehow find a way
to get over the five year statute limitations for the
misdemeanor there and then the ridiculous Stormy Daniel's prosecution. So
you know, there are some very creative ways here, and
we can talk about that a little bit more if
you want to. But you know, Jesse, upon looking here again,
I haven't necessarily seen Pam BONDI the doj outline what
their theory of the case is yet. That's probably because
(30:49):
I'm not sure they have one yet. This is very
much a new, unfolding situation there. There are a few
possible statutes that come to mind. There's eighteen US Code
Seption two forty two, which is a federal criminal conspiracy
to deprive constitutional rights that has I believe a five
year or in most a seven year statute of limitations.
But I believe I believe it's a five year statute
of limitations. There's the Espionage Act, I guess in theory,
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I mean that that is what the Democratic Law Fair
Complex use against Donald Trump and the Marol Lago Classified
Document's case. It's a very very sloppy fit here. There
is a seditious conspiracy, I mean conspiracy to literally commit treason,
which is basically what Tulsea Gabbert and Donald Trump himself
are saying there. I think that also has a five
to seven year statute of limitations there. So you would
(31:35):
have to start to get a little creative here when
it comes to trying to start the tolling of the
statute of limitations at a later date. I don't pretend
to know exactly how that would work, but that's the
kind of thing that you would basically have to do.
So it's possible, But I think that there are potentially
glaring statue of limitations problems, which makes sense, frankly, given
that we're talking about conduct that took place at this point,
almost a decade ago.
Speaker 1 (31:58):
What about jurisdiction, Josh, everybody and their brother knows a
Democrat cannot be convicted of anything in Washington, d C.
Because it's only communists who live there. Therefore, only communists
in the jury pool. John Solomon and others have said
this case could very well be moved to Florida.
Speaker 14 (32:13):
What say you, Well, there's no reason in theory why
it couldn't be moved out of Washington, d C.
Speaker 12 (32:21):
I can't.
Speaker 14 (32:21):
I can't necessarily think of a reason why it hasn't
necessarily be in Washington, d C. But yeah, he's right,
John Solomon is right that I assume that you have
a case, assuming that you've somehow managed to solve the
statute limitations problem, you found a statue that fits the
crime there, and we've got you know, we've got all
the eyes and crossed all those teas, then yeah, it's
entirely possible that a jury pool could basically sing this
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before it even gets going there. That's that's always an issue,
of course, when it comes to these blue city jurisdictions. There, look, Jesse,
I guess kind of zooming out here. It's very frustrating
because I want to say that what I really feel,
which is that this was treason. I mean, this was horrid,
fit horrific, horrific behavior, and it is loathsome. It is
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offensive to me as an American citizen, as an American patriot.
It is deeply offensive that there has not been a
smidgen of justice other than the former FBI attorney Kevin Kleinsmith,
who forged a fiz of surveillance warrant, who spy on
Carter Page. He's the only one who's paid any price.
And he just had twelve months probation in four hundred
hours of community service, so he got absolutely nothing. So
(33:24):
I hate, hate the fact that none of these people
are doing purp walks and handcuffs and serving time behind bars.
But again, I have to play the part of lawyer here,
and it's tough. It's an uphill slog, honestly.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
All right, does Pam BONDI have the chops to try
this case or she gonna have to go special counsel.
Speaker 14 (33:45):
This seems to me like it would be a good
fit for a special counsel if look, if the D
and I Tulsa Gabbard is as serious as she seems
to be about all the declassifications, which we've seen a
lot of this thus far. It kind of corroborates much
of what we've already known for years about the extent
to which John Brand others were involved there. And this
really is, indeed, this is one of the biggest scandals
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in modern American political history there. It is absolutely the
kind of situation where a special council would be called for.
Now it's worth noting, and I'll just flag it that
we've kind of sort of already been down this road before.
It was it was the Durham probe. This is back
when the former US Attorney for Connecticut, John Durham, when
he was called in for to be a special council
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to do exactly this back during the first Trump term,
and ultimately John Durham came back with a with a
conclusion that was basically a lame duck where he didn't
actually end up recommending any specific criminal prosecution. So there's
there's there's a potential risk here.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
Of deja vu.
Speaker 14 (34:44):
You know, the great New York Yankees Catcher Yogi Berra
what might have called a deja vu all over again.
But there is there had been new developments between the
Durham probe and now when it comes to what Tulsa
has declassified. So I'm I think that's probably the way
to go here. But again I'm very to get the
people's hopes up there because we have kind of tried
this already with the Durham probe, and that Durham probe
was basically a big fat nothing burger unfortunately.
Speaker 1 (35:08):
Okay, finally, final one Adam shift. Is he going down
for mortgage fraud? Or is this more wishful thinking?
Speaker 14 (35:16):
Okay, So that that is probably the highest probability item here.
I'm not going to confidently predict that that that he is.
Speaker 12 (35:23):
But there is no real.
Speaker 14 (35:24):
Kind of glaring kind of structural legal issue that leaps
off the page. There there's a there's not a Trump
versus the United States Supreme Court opinion on presidential immunity.
There's no kind of glaring statute limitations bomb there. At
that point, you're kind of getting into a factual dispute.
You know, may the best lawyer win, you know, pound
the table, convince the jury, that sort of thing. So
that's the kind of courtroom drama that I love, that
(35:45):
you love, that we all love there. That strikes me
as a much higher probability. Frankly, if I'm just being
very realistic, then what else we're talking about here?
Speaker 1 (35:54):
He's the host of the Josh Hammer Show. If you
want more of this stuff, thank you, brother, I appreciate you.
Speaker 2 (36:00):
That sucks.
Speaker 1 (36:02):
I'm not surprised. I told you they need to go down.
That doesn't mean they're gonna go down. Well, see fingers crossed.
I'm always ready to be surprised. I'm surprised at how
good olive oil can be. I'll tell you that that
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I understand Ah was gonna put it in whatever pasta
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not a big deal to me. I didn't realize all
of our olive oil was old. No one thinks about that.
The olive oil you buy in the grocery store is
months old, sometimes years old.
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Speaker 2 (37:36):
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Maybe I'm in bed. You shouldn't do this before bed,
but I do it. I go scrolling on social media
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Speaker 2 (37:44):
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I'm not even really joking that if you could automatically
deport every human being who doesn't put their cart back,
the country would increase, It would be better, exponential, just
because it tells you it's revealing of how you look
at yourself in your place in the world. Well, we
have Agent Sebastian with us.
Speaker 2 (38:09):
Now. Cart Narks is his baby.
Speaker 1 (38:11):
He's the founder of it, and I'm dying to talk
to him before we get to him. Though, in case
you're wondering, maybe I haven't seen it. They expose these
people here it is Oh.
Speaker 15 (38:21):
Look at that half curving cutally where that's that where
the cards go?
Speaker 8 (38:25):
Sir?
Speaker 15 (38:27):
Well you should because they watched. What does the signs
say on the car? Return please return cards.
Speaker 3 (38:32):
Here and there?
Speaker 15 (38:34):
So I doesn't say please return cards there. I'm just
getting to help putting into a shame, sir. Now, sir, well,
as soon as you return your cart, would you like
a magnet instead? Now, sir, as soon as you take
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your cards up?
Speaker 12 (39:00):
Picture don't know you, I'll look at yourself. Who's carrying
crab all alive?
Speaker 2 (39:05):
Look? Sir?
Speaker 5 (39:05):
Sir?
Speaker 15 (39:09):
We give you two because you're being such an angry bones.
Speaker 12 (39:12):
What're that mag flaggo? You know he's getting This guy
is so.
Speaker 15 (39:17):
Angry, he's getting double magnets and a flag. Watch out
behind you, sir, what a jerk.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
Face joining me?
Speaker 7 (39:31):
Now?
Speaker 1 (39:31):
Agent Sebastian the founder of Carton Arts. Okay, Sebastian, I
have to know how you even came up with this concept.
Speaker 12 (39:40):
Well, it's it is surprisingly dull. Quite frankly, it is.
Was me and a friend talking in the office and
we were just asked.
Speaker 16 (39:48):
The question, why don't people do this? You know, what's
their problem? And people have been asking this question for decades.
We're not I'm not original in that thought. But what
I did was I went out and asked people. I
just walked up the p People didn't have the vest
or the uniform of the magnets and that stuff, and I.
Speaker 12 (40:04):
Just asked people. And immediately I got violence. All the
excuses in the book.
Speaker 16 (40:10):
People were angry at me, really angry at themselves spoiler alert.
And so from there I just kind of said, well, okay,
obviously there's something here. There's something ridiculous going on with
these people. And I just kind of thought to myself, well,
what if that? Then what else?
Speaker 12 (40:25):
You know, the type of person who would do this?
Speaker 16 (40:27):
Would they had there be an agency and one thing
led to another, and that's where we are today.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
I have to ask, because you're the one who's out
there in the field, if you will seeing these people
meeting these people, do you notice any kind of a
constant theme, and I mean, is.
Speaker 2 (40:44):
It old, young men, women, white, black?
Speaker 1 (40:47):
Is there any kind of a consistent theme or does
it just come down to find the self centered person?
Speaker 16 (40:53):
And there you go, Well, you're right, You're right to
an extent there that is. It really doesn't matter a sex, raise,
socioeconomic as far as the people who will leave them out.
Speaker 12 (41:05):
That's across the board.
Speaker 16 (41:07):
However, the people who were willing to fight me, and
what you kind of see and hear this guy didn't
specifically attack me, but the guy Proberct previously did. The
guys who are willing to fight me are number one
guys and number two they tend to be like thirty
five to fifty five middle aged guys who are willing
to throw down over a shopping cart. And I think
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it has to do with they're now at the point
in their life where they're the boss. Because I'll go
up to like eighteen nineteen twenty year olds, they're usually
just like okay, but those older guys will want to battle,
and I think it has to do with, you know,
they don't want to hear it from me, some dweeb
and a vest.
Speaker 1 (41:47):
Have you so have you been physically attacked? Surely one
of these guys is it's big of a nut job
to actually throw a swing or something at you.
Speaker 16 (41:55):
A lot have tried, even more have promised. But what
I tell people is it's really easy not to get
in a fight in life in general.
Speaker 12 (42:04):
Just don't get in a fight.
Speaker 2 (42:05):
Don't be within.
Speaker 16 (42:07):
Arm and fist distance of a person which is only
three or four feet.
Speaker 12 (42:11):
And so then when people say, oh.
Speaker 16 (42:12):
You're you're a woos you won't fight, and I'm like, well, yeah,
that's the whole point. The point of cardon Arcs is
not to get in parking lot fights. It is to
get people to behave in a civil manner. And again
that's why I say, use your words, don't fight over
this stuff, you know, try to talk through your problems.
Speaker 12 (42:29):
But unfortunately some people just don't don't want to do that.
Speaker 2 (42:36):
So how how long have you been doing this? Exactly?
Speaker 1 (42:41):
And I'm asking, really, how long do you intend to
do this? Because I geek out on these I find
them to be so hilarious, and every time I see
some guy losing his temper, I'll be honest, I worry
about your safety a little bit. There's so many psychos
out there now. Somebody pulls out a knife or something
like that, Well.
Speaker 12 (42:59):
That's a fair fair question. I'm coming up on.
Speaker 16 (43:04):
Seven years, you know, part time as a hobby or whatever,
and people have pulled knives, They've pulled guns, pepper spray, tasers,
all that stuff, besides fists and all that other stuff
and throwing stuff, you know, drinks or whatever at me.
And yet you know, everybody, no matter what you're doing,
especially in something that's a physical danger to yourself.
Speaker 12 (43:24):
There's a retirement age. I don't know what that is yet.
Speaker 16 (43:27):
Hopefully I'm not forced into retirement via injury, but I
do have no plans to stop as of yet.
Speaker 1 (43:35):
How do you keep your cool when you're getting cussed
out like that when you call them I'll be honest,
maybe the funniest part.
Speaker 2 (43:40):
Was when you called them a lazy bones. I just
burst It makes me burst out laughing. Every time I've
seen that clip ten times. That just murders me.
Speaker 16 (43:47):
Well, it's I think it's my natural demeanor, is I.
I'm just a calm, rational person in general, and so
I was sort of built for this because I hear
that comment all that's a great, great observation. And somebody
said I couldn't do Cardon because when somebody started swinging
at me and screaming at me and threatening to run
me over, I would respond in kind, which I would
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be to an extent justified in doing so. But like
you mentioned, it wouldn't It wouldn't go with the whole mission.
The whole mission is to get people to behave civilly,
and so part of it is I am naturally a
calm person. But part of it too is I've done
this thousands of times, so I've seen the patterns of
behavior over and over again.
Speaker 12 (44:25):
Uh. And I just don't have to need to screaming anybody.
Speaker 2 (44:29):
Agent Sebastian. It is cart and Arcs.
Speaker 1 (44:32):
Go track them down on YouTube. You will laugh until
you cry. Thank you, my man, for the service you do.
I appreciate it.
Speaker 2 (44:41):
All right, Little something different tonight.
Speaker 3 (44:45):
See them
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