August 26, 2025 • 45 mins
The FBI raid of John Bolton has the system in a full-blown meltdown. Jesse Kelly gives his sincere thoughts on the whole situation. This comes as the Trump administration is waging war on the federal bureaucracy. EPA administrator Lee Zeldin joins Jesse to discuss what's happening inside the walls of the government. You'll also hear clever insight from Ilya Shapiro on important Supreme Court matters. Plus, Pastor Douglas Wilson breaks down his viral CNN interview.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Okay, let's talk about retribution. The John Bolton raid. Lee
Zelden is here doing a great job at the EPA.
We'll talk to him about that. We have all that,
a pastor and more coming up, and I'm.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Right, okay, before we get started on the meat and
potatoes portion of the show on, I'm right, we have to.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Honor the passing of a legend. Donald McPherson is his name.
He was the last surviving ace from World War Two.
We developed a plane called the Hellcat World War two
bus will of course know what the Hellcat is. The
Hellcat taken off and landing on aircraft carriers. Donald McPherson
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at one point in time, shot down five Japanese planes,
got the Congressional Golden Medal. Just a stud in every
sense of the word, a complete stud. And he just
passed at the age of one to three. Now, that's
obviously a wonderful life, a life well lived. If I'm
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being honest. It saddens me a great deal that they're
almost all gone now, almost all those World War Two
veterans are gone. You know, Father Time is undefeated and
rest in peace, warrior, appreciate you very much, all right now,
let's talk about retribution, communism, the government everything. The John
(01:34):
Bolton raid, by the way, right when the John Bolton raid,
the rate of John Bolton's home, Right when that happened
over the weekend, I went and did a six seven
minute video on YouTube on my YouTube channel. I do
that from time to time. Go subscribe to that at
Jesse Kelly DC on YouTube. Go watch it, subscribe to it,
enjoy yourself. It's free of charge. Of course. Now let's
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discuss it. John Bolton did what well, he did what
apparently every single person who works in the government does.
He got sticky fingers with classified documents, thought they were
his personal possession, there's value there, took them home. He's
accused of sending them to people, emailing them to family,
being I mean, unbelievably careless with critically important pieces of information.
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Do keep in mind that foreign adversaries like China and
many many others have the ability to take anything from
your email they want to take. So when you take
classified documents and you're sending them from your Gmail account,
you are exposing the United States of America to bad, bad,
bad things. So let's talk about this. What did John
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Bolton have to say, when Donald Trump's home was rated.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
If he has anything like what the complaint, what the
indictment alleges, and of course the government will have to
prove it, then he has committed very serious crime. This
is a devastating indictment. I speak here as an alumnus
of the Justice Department myself, because not only is it powerful,
it's very narrowly tailored.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
They didn't throw.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Everything up against the wall to see what would stick.
This really is a rifle shot, and I think it
should be the end of Donald Trump's political career.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
You have practically had the vapors over there at the
thought of mar Lago being rated. And now he wakes
up and his home has federal agents inside of it,
federal agents walking out with boxes. And that brings me,
of course, to what the reaction has been to this,
over and over and over and over again. If you've
been watching the television over the weekend, you saw the
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left using words like retribution. President Trump promised retribution against
his political enemies, and there is no doubt that he
is serious about keeping that promise.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
I think this is clearly retribution, and I'm in the
idea that what they just picked John Bolton, a prominent
critic of the president at random.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
What the president is trying to do here is.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
Very systemic and systematic, and that is anyone who stands
up to the president, anyone who criticized the president, anyone
who says anything adverse to the President's interests, gets the
full weight of the federal government brought down on them.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Okay, so let's talk about retribution. What if it is?
And obviously there's a part of that. What if it
is retribution? Yeah, it should be. You see what they did,
what the communists have done with the government over the
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decades as they have conquered it. They took over all
the agencies, they took over every part of it, and
they've taken all those government guns that were supposed to
be pointed outward protecting us from foreign adversaries. And they
slowly but surely did what they always do, and they
took those guns and pointed them inward at their political opponents.
(05:05):
Did you see Jdvan sit down with Kristen Welker Lenis.
Speaker 5 (05:08):
But you know a lot of people have already looked
at this and said, this looks a lot like retribution.
Speaker 6 (05:13):
Is this retribution?
Speaker 7 (05:15):
Well, who has said it looks a lot like retribution
people who tried to throw Donald Trump in prison for
completely fake charges that were later thrown out by multiple
different courts.
Speaker 8 (05:25):
I suspect that if the media and.
Speaker 7 (05:27):
The American people led this case actually unfold, if they
let the investigation unfold as it's currently doing, they're going
to find out that what we're doing is being very
deliberate and being very driven by the national interest and
by the law here.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
And that's as it should be. Remember what they did
to Donald Trump. But you know what set out aside,
set out aside, Set aside what they did to Donald Trump,
because that's well documented. You know about that. They tried
to bankrupt and they tried to throw them in prison
in New York, they tried to throw them in prison
in Georgia. Everyone seemed to forget about that. They had
a special prosecutor. They tried to throw the Republican nominee
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in prison, in federal prison. They weren't going for fines,
they weren't going for a slap on the wrist. They
turned the FBI and CIA loose against their political opponent
and tried to throw them in prison on ridiculous charges
that to this day. Nobody can even lay out what
he was accused of doing. I don't know, so they
just made things up. But again, set aside, Donald Trump,
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Let's talk about what the Communists did to you when
they got full power. They sent the FBI into your
church here in the United States of America, the Land
of the Free. We had FBI special agents in the
parking lot of school board meetings, jotting down license plate
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numbers to open up domestic terrorist files on moms who
were mad that their kids were being taught a bunch
of gay stuff in schools. That's what the Communists did.
Mark Howke had ridiculous charges brought up against him and
an FBI swat team sent to his door with guns
pointed in his face, in his family's face, because the
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Communists were angry that rovers is way got overturned and
they wanted to take it out on somebody. This is
this is just a taste of what the Communists did
when they got power. Remember Remember all those times they
tried to call you a white supremacist.
Speaker 9 (07:28):
According to the Intelligence Community, terrorism for white supremacy is
the most lethal threat to the homeland today. Not VIIs
not Al Qaeda. White supremacists.
Speaker 10 (07:41):
In the FBI's view, the top domestic violent extremist threat
comes from racially or ethnically motivated violent extremists, specifically those
who advocated for the superiority of the white race.
Speaker 11 (07:54):
A huge chunk of those domestic terrorst investigations involve racely
motivated violent extremist motivated terrorist attacks, and the majority of
those of the racially motivated violent extremist attacks are fueled
by some kind of white supremacy.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Well, that didn't make sense, did it, because you've never
met a white supremacist in your life. So let me
explain it to you. This was in an effort to
classify their political opponents as terrorists so they could justify
sending government guns against you. What happened during Joe Biden's
four years was the most evil stuff the United States
government has ever done, because the communists conquered it and
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aimed all their guns at you, at me. That Donald Trump.
Now let's talk about something even worse. They're going to
take power again. Oh, I don't think it's going to
be soon. They've lost their minds right now. But you're
not a baby. You're not a child. You know how
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it works at some point in time, they will take
power again. What is stopping them from doing all that again?
What will stop them? Their morality? Don't make me laugh.
The only chance we have at getting these people to
back off and not do what they did before is
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making them afraid. The next time a communist puts in
a communist FBI director and has a meeting with him
and says, hey, I want these Republicans to go to prison.
The only thing that might hold that next FBI director
back is watching what happens now to the people who
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did it before and him saying to himself, I mean,
I'd love to sir, I'd love to go arrest these Republicans,
but I don't want to go to prison like the
last guy did. Retribution. You bet it is, and it
should be, because when you are in a war for power,
and we very much are in a war for power,
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you had better hit back and let the enemy know
that it can come right back to him, so he
better mind his p's and cues. That's how wars are fought.
All that may have made you uncomfortable, but I am right.
We're going to talk to Ilia Shapiro about the Supreme
Court and other things in a moment before we talk
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be back. The Supreme Court's confusing and involves a bunch
of lawyering and legal stuff, and I don't know they
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even speak Latin every now and then, so I have
to bring on Ilia Shapiro from time to time to
help me understand what's going on and why it's going on.
So joining me now, my friend, author of one of
his most wonderful books. Lawless, Ilia Shapiro, Okay, Ilia, the
Supreme Court, the National Institutes of Health. What's happening and
why is it happening?
Speaker 12 (11:52):
Well, rest ipseolocuid or jesse, since you love that Latin. Look,
this is one of Trump's. This is one of Trump's
executive orders or the actions by the agencies to use
its lawful discretion to decide who gets grants and who doesn't,
in this case, cutting funding to DEI initiatives in the
public health space at the National Institute's for Health. And
(12:15):
here a lower court had blocked that. The Supreme Court,
by a five to four decision, blocked that block, if
you will, so the administration can continue to withhold that
funding pending further litigation.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Okay. Katanji Brown Jackson, who obviously gets mocked apparently even
by leftists these days, called this. What'd she say? Accuse
the Supreme Court of playing Calvin ball? What is she
talking about?
Speaker 12 (12:43):
Well, Calvin Ball, if I remember my comic books, correctly
is making up the rules as you get along, and
she's making the point that the only rule that the
Supreme Court majority has is Trump wins. I think it's
a completely unfair account. It's also not very well reasoned,
and indeed, in a different context at the end of
the term in June, her colleague Justice amy Cony Barrett
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effectively called out Justice Jackson for playing calvin ball in
her reasoning. That is saying, you know, dismissing with the
back of her hand, saying that what Justice Jackson was
saying has no basis in two hundred years of precedent
or constitutional text or history. I don't like it when
the justices go after each other or accuse each other
of acting in bad faith. It's okay to criticize their opinions.
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I criticize their opinions all the time, and these are
better lawyers than I am, so they should do that.
But I don't think it's fair here that what Justice
Jackson is saying, she's basically saying, I don't have any
legal arguments to make, so I'm just gonna pound the table.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Ili Obviously, every day we wake up there's a new
judge from some lower court somewhere blocking this or blocking
that and making an idiot of himself. How much do
they how much have they conquered the courts versus us?
We have a bunch of judges like, less amounts of
theirs and not that many of ours.
Speaker 12 (14:02):
What's the balance like, Well, at any given time, about
half the federal judiciary is appointed by Republican presidents, about
half by Democratic presidents. Of course, the Supreme Court, it's
about six to three at this point. I wouldn't call
it judicial activism, as your thing on the screen said,
because activism at this point just means a decision I
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don't like. And these accusations come from the left the right, whatever.
We take each ruling as it comes. And the thing is,
we're at the culmination of a long trend where divergent
theories of interpretation, views on the Constitution map onto partisan
identification at a time when the parties themselves are more
ideologically sordid and polarized, and they've been since at least
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the Civil War. And of course, parties challenging a Republican
president will file in DC and Boston and Seattle. Parties
challenging a Democratic president will file in Texas, and these
things get accelerated up to the Supreme Court. That's why
we see a lot of action on what some call
the emergency docket or the interim relief docket, basically the
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stuff that's not the normal months and months of briefing
and argument process. But we live in polarized times, and
the courts reflect that.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
The Supreme Court hasn't smacked around the lower courts in
the way much of the right wants them to. Meaning,
you know, Robert's saying, stop this, stop this, You're not
allowed to do this anymore. Are they going to or
is it all operating the way it should?
Speaker 12 (15:33):
They're starting to bit by bit, and you saw this
last month in July. There are a couple of rulings
where the Supreme Court not even a five to four,
six to three, but basically everyone other than Jackson and
Soda Mayor was saying, cut it out. We've already ruled
this way. I might not like it, says Kagan, but
you have to follow what the Supreme Court does. So
(15:54):
bit by bit they're getting they're giving more instruction. But look,
the Court is not a legislative body, so it's always reactive.
It's always a step behind what lower courts are are doing.
And I think this will get resolved in the end,
but it takes some time.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
Bilia Clarence Thomas, who I adore, Alito, you know, the
ones we all adore. They're getting old, are they going
to retire?
Speaker 12 (16:25):
So it's still much more likely than not that the
Republicans keep the Senate after the twenty six elections, after
next year's elections, and so to the extent politics is
part of the process, I wouldn't look until twenty twenty
seven to start speculating beyond that. Both of them love
the power they're having. Justice Thomas is the senior most
associate Justice. Justice Alito gets to write opinions in lots
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of big cases. You know, they seem relatively healthy and
vigorous and energetic. And for Thomas specifically, if he serves
through May of twenty basically through the end of that term,
he becomes the longest ever serving Justice. So I would
start looking at some speculation depending on what Republican prospects
are for the White House in twenty eight, but Thomas
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certainly wouldn't go until I think he sets that benchmark.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Who's Trump's best pick? Gorsuch?
Speaker 11 (17:21):
Uh?
Speaker 12 (17:22):
Well, I don't want to I don't want to pick favorites.
I guess I think Gorsich probably is my favorite of
Trump's three picks. Yes, Trump now is saying he wants
people more like Alito and Thomas than any of the
three that he picked. Frankly, most Federal Society members or
others of the kind of traditional conservative legal movement would
probably be in agreement with that. And there are plenty
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of young judges, all of whom Trump appointed, younger federal
judges who clerked for Alito and Thomas, and so there's
a very good farm team ready to be called up
to serve if needed.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
What's coming on the Supreme Court big rulings, small rulings.
Speaker 12 (18:03):
Well, the traditional beginning of the term is the first
Monday in October. And we do have already a case
challenging Colorado's ban on talk therapy for gender dysphoria. So
recall last term, in the Scremeti case, the Court okayed
Tennessee's ban on mutilation for gender purposes of minors. This
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is kind of the flip side talk therapy that's being
banned in case someone is, you know, might have some
mental illness or isn't sure about their gender, what have you.
That's a big one. A couple of big political law cases.
We haven't had campaign finance and political law on the
docket in a while. Several opportunities for the Court to
weigh in that will have direct impact even with the
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twenty sixth election, let alone twenty eight.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Ilio, what about birthright citizenship? Are we ever going to
get a ruling in a correct one on this insane
anchor baby problem?
Speaker 12 (18:57):
We have I predict that this case will come before
the Supreme Court at least one more time without a
decision on the merits of whether birthright is citizenship is
constitutionally required. Because even after the Supreme Court ruled to
get rid of universal injunctions, nationwide injunctions by district court
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already other lower courts have certified class actions to challenge
Trump's Birthright Citizenship Executive Order, as well as states saying
that they need nationwide injunctions to be able to vindicate
their rights. So there's one more beat on the procedural
stuff before we're even going to get to that big
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media constitutional issue.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
Thank you, brother, I appreciate it all right. The EPA,
big cheese. Lee Zelden doing amazing work at the EPA.
No one talks about it because EPA isn't in the
news every day. Has been doing awesome stuff. He's going
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We'll be back. I'm floored that the government is actually shrinking.
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The government never shrinks, and that does in my forty
four years on this planet. Just government grows and grows
and grows and grows and grows. We're looking by year
end at three hundred thousand fewer federal workers. Gosh, that's
amazing and joining me now somebody who's been a big
part of that. So happy for him, Happy we have him.
The EPA Administrator, Lee Zelden, Hey Lee, well done. What
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are you guys doing over there? Fire and everybody?
Speaker 13 (21:39):
Oh listen.
Speaker 14 (21:40):
We came in at the beginning of January and had
a lot on our plate of what we needed to
tackle operationally with policy. On the operational side, the President
signing executive Order ending covid Era remote work. We had
to get people back into the building the numbers I
had asked for just to get a so how many
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people were even coming in. Average attendance on Mondays and
Fridays last year was five to eight percent. The record
high day of attendance was thirty one percent. We went
through reorganizations. When we came in, our number was about
sixteen thousand, one hundred and fifty five. The number is
going to be right sized about twelve thousand, five hundred
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and we will actually get more of our statutory obligations
fulfilled at twenty three percent less than what we came
in on. It's about priorities. We inherited a massive, massive
backlog to pessive side Review, New Chemical Review, Small refinery exemptions,
state implementation plans, and we should be prioritizing first and
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foremost the statutory obligations in front of this agency, statutes
out there by Congress. On the policy side, we inherited
what were a lot of decisions from twenty twenty three
and twenty twenty four from the Biden administration, where they
were getting a lot of new rules and regulations over
the finish line, trying to strangulate out of existence entire
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sectors of our economy, specifically our energy economy, were not
just them. And we're trying to reverse that damage as
quickly as we can, doing everything at once. And the
last thing they'll mention that we had to tackle again,
we'll just do it everything at the same time is
tracking down all of the money that was going through
the EPA, tens of billions of dollars. I've now canceled
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over twenty nine billion dollars worth of grants since I've
gotten here. We found all sorts of money just riddled
with self dealing, conflicts of interest, unqualified recipients, reduced agency oversight,
money going to well connected left wing activist NGOs. And
we come in and we're not trying to get that
money redirected towards right wing activist NGOs. This isn't about
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ideologically just trying to get it to well connected friends
on the right about the taxpayer and that money should
be fought for for all American taxpayers and not lit
on fire.
Speaker 13 (24:08):
So, yeah, a lot of priorities.
Speaker 14 (24:10):
Staff size, money spent regulations. We'll do more deregulation in
one year than entire federal governments have done across all agencies,
across entire presidencies.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Just at the EPA, tell me about these regulations. What
kind of regulations have we been living under in this country?
Because people don't realize what a regulatory state we have
right now.
Speaker 13 (24:34):
So there was a.
Speaker 14 (24:35):
Supreme Court decision called Loperbright that came out in recent years,
overturning the Chevron doctrine. Essentially the Supreme Court saying that
agencies like the EPA should not be getting creative in
giving themselves their own power. That the EPA shouldn't be
saying that where a statute is silent, that it should
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be interpreted to mean wealth. If the statute doesn't say can't,
then I guess that means we can. No, And the
major policy Doctrines also says that if you're going to
do trillions of dollars of regulation, well maybe that should
be something debated and voted on by Congress as opposed
to bureaucrats at an agency.
Speaker 13 (25:16):
In Washington, DC.
Speaker 14 (25:18):
So we come in, we want to follow the rule
of law. We want to follow the plane reading of
the law, and these rules, these regulations over the course
the last couple of years, not just the last couple
of years, but that's a lot of decisions that were
made where they're trying to get rid of the coal industry,
for example. So we come in and we're going to
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respect the Supreme Court decisions in West Virginia Verse EPA,
Michigan Verus EPA.
Speaker 8 (25:43):
And more.
Speaker 14 (25:44):
And we proposed that we're going to rescind the Clean
Power Plan two point zero. Sounds good until you get
into the details the twenty twenty four mercury and air
toxic standards. Well, of course we need mercury and air
toxic standards, and we still will have mercury and air
toxic standards, but the twenty twenty four mercurr and air
toxic standards will get reconsidered again, just like the Clean
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Power Plan and some of these other rules that came
out trying to get all these coal plants across America
to just shut down.
Speaker 13 (26:17):
We sent to Washington. We sent to Congress here in
d C.
Speaker 14 (26:22):
Three biden EPA waivers that were given the state of
California that they used for their electric vehicle mandate and
other tailpipe emissions. Congress then reviewed it, and under the
Congression Review Act, they passed three bills signed by the
President getting rid of those EPA waivers.
Speaker 13 (26:40):
We also proposed.
Speaker 14 (26:41):
For recision the two thousand and nine Obama EPA endangerment
Finding and all other regulations that followed based on the
endangerment finding for light, medium, and heavy duty vehicles. We're
talking about a trillion dollars with the most conservative s
the mint that would get safe.
Speaker 13 (27:02):
So there you're talking vehicles.
Speaker 14 (27:04):
You could talk energy policy, manufacturing, and so much more.
The consequences of these policies are real. We're choosing to
protect the environment and grow the economy.
Speaker 13 (27:16):
It's not a binary choice.
Speaker 14 (27:18):
We're not going to choose between the two. The American
public choose both.
Speaker 13 (27:23):
We choose both.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
Can you elaborate a little bit on our refining, our
ability to refine here because people don't understand how much
that has been taken away, how critically important it is,
and then how hard it is to build him again.
You don't build them in a month.
Speaker 14 (27:39):
President Trump is talking about unleashing energy dominance. He formed
the National Energy Dominance Council, Doug Bergham as chair, as
Secretary of Interior, Chris Wright vice chair, Secretary of Energy.
I'm on that, Secretary Lutnik, and others. We meet with
the President frequently to discuss policy as relates to National
Energy's Council.
Speaker 13 (28:01):
We want to President Trump wants.
Speaker 14 (28:02):
To unleash energy dominance right here in our own country.
We tap into our own energy supply better than so
many other countries do elsewhere around the world, so it's
better for economy or national security, but also for our environment.
We also need to build more pipelines. President Trump has
been pushing a new LNG pipeline over the course of
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hundreds of miles in Alaska, right next to the Trans
Alaska Pipeline. He's been pushing Constitution pipeline, which would deliver
natural gas from Pennsylvania to New England. NeSSI pipeline, which
would be built delivering natural gas onto Long Island. There's
a big natural gas pipeline that's been getting advanced in
southwest United States, delivering from New Mexico and into Arizona.
Speaker 13 (28:49):
And the list goes on.
Speaker 14 (28:49):
So it's not just about tapping into what is under us,
but making sure it could get to these residents and
businesses across the entire country, keep costs down, be able
to create jobs, and allow Americans to be able to
afford UH to heat their home and to fill their
car up and not have to rely on foreign sources
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of energy in order to do it.
Speaker 8 (29:13):
Lee.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
What's cloud seating? You see a million Internet crack pop
conspiracy theories on what it is, what it isn't, what's happening?
What is it? Didn't we make it rain?
Speaker 14 (29:24):
Yes, that that is something that is allowed in a
in some states here in the United States. It's not
a national Act of Congress that has cloud seating all
across the entire country, but some states have been supportive
of cloud seating, specifically to be able to create elements
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to make it rain.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
UH.
Speaker 14 (29:49):
And that's something that you know, I've been outspoken on
with concerns as it relates to different forms of weather modification, geoengineering,
I believe that a lot of this has not been
thoroughly researched and vetted out enough. And you know, I
just did an interview with another person in the media
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on the right a few days ago where that person
pointed out, you know, we shouldn't be playing god with
these activities, and gosh, the you know, the point is
well taken, especially when this hasn't been thoroughly adequately substantially vetted.
Speaker 13 (30:27):
Out and researched.
Speaker 14 (30:28):
In the past, the federal government has even funded some
of these activities.
Speaker 13 (30:34):
There's some talk where private actors are.
Speaker 14 (30:37):
Discussing large investments to scale up their activity of geoengineering.
In one case, you know, we're we're aware of an
entity that has not scaled up, but they want to
put sulfur dioxide into the stratosphere, which causes acid rain,
and they want to do it with a desire to
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advance stratospheric aerosol injection solar radiation modification to try to
get the Sun to deflect off of different levels of
our atmosphere so that they can help combat global warming.
But instead of these entities going rogue and being able
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to have a free run to be able to do
this This is something that I've been outspoken about in
educating the public. I believe that the American public should
know whatever I get to know whatever I know as
administrative VPA. And I would also say that this isn't
just about the United States. There are other countries that
have been pursuing geoengineering. And even if it was stopped
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here in the United States, if it's happening elsewhere, what
happens over over the Asian continent or over the European
continent impacts other continents, including our own. Just because it
happens out of our country doesn't mean that an impact.
And then my last thing I'll say is this my
only word advice for anyone listening who cares about these issues.
Speaker 13 (32:06):
You have to be accurate.
Speaker 14 (32:08):
We all have to be accurate in how we discuss it.
Speaker 13 (32:10):
I've found some people confusing different terms.
Speaker 14 (32:16):
Where they'll describe, you know, they'll show a picture or
a video and they'll describe it as something other than
what it actually is. It's very important for credibility of
the argument to make sure that everyone is communicating here
accurately with what exactly you're showing in that picture and
that video that's going to be key, but I think
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a lot of people in this country just don't.
Speaker 13 (32:42):
They've just ignored this issue.
Speaker 14 (32:45):
They save Anyone talking about it must be whearing a
tinfoil hat conspiracy theorist, and none of it's true. We
put up on our web page EPA dot gov slash
geoengineering everything that we were able to collect after I
was sworn in and I told the staff here at EPA,
I have a lot of questions.
Speaker 13 (33:06):
Here are my questions.
Speaker 14 (33:08):
Whatever the answers are, I'm not trying to bias the answers.
I just want to know what the answer, what the
answer is, what the fact is, what the truth is,
and whatever you.
Speaker 13 (33:16):
Tell me, I'm going to share publicly.
Speaker 14 (33:20):
Because I don't see any reason whatsoever for me to
be holding anything back. We should be fully transparent, whether
that proves a theory true or it proves a theory untrue.
We should just be telling the public whatever it is
we know.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
Lee, thank you so much for the work you're doing. Brother,
appreciate you. I appreciate sleep too. I'm a huge sleep fan.
And as you get older, it's not as easy to
come by, right. It's just not when you're ten years old,
you go to sleep for twelve hours, no problem. You
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sleep on a rock. You get older, your shoulder hurts, strass,
wake up about things. That's why I'm a big believer
in dream powder from Beam, because you know, sometimes you
can need something to help you go to sleep. But
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You don't feel rested. I don't feel like you had
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sit there and sip it in bed, knock out, sleep
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Speaker 8 (34:59):
Women are the kind of people that people come out
of so.
Speaker 15 (35:03):
You just think they're meant to have babies.
Speaker 8 (35:05):
They're dis avestent. No, it doesn't take any talent to
simply reproduce biologically. The wife and mother who is the
chief executive of the home is entrusted with three or
four or five eternal souls.
Speaker 15 (35:19):
I'm here as a working journalist and I'm a mom
of three.
Speaker 8 (35:22):
Good for you?
Speaker 1 (35:23):
Is that an issue?
Speaker 8 (35:24):
No, no, it's not automatically an.
Speaker 5 (35:26):
Issue, Wilson says. In his vision of a Christian society,
women as individuals shouldn't be able to vote.
Speaker 15 (35:32):
Looking at the leadership page for Christ Church, it's all men.
Do you accept women and leadership roles in the church
and government in the church?
Speaker 8 (35:40):
No? Wow, because the Bible says it's not to Well.
Speaker 6 (35:43):
That's not what happens in the Bible. Women do lead
all the time.
Speaker 5 (35:47):
Progressive Faith leader Reverend Jennifer Butler is concerned about Wilson's
growing influence.
Speaker 6 (35:52):
He is rapidly gaining empower. He has hundreds of churches
established around the country. They actually literally wanted to take
over towns and cities and they have access to this administration.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
Reverend joining me now Minister of Christ Church in Moscow, Idaho,
Douglas Wilson I loved I loved the interview pastor how
mortified she was at the basic teachings that are in
the Bible. Should women be in church leadership. No, it's
laid out pretty well by Paul.
Speaker 8 (36:30):
Right, it's kind of just says it right there.
Speaker 10 (36:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (36:33):
No, and then the lady. The lady said, oh, they
lead all the time. I think, man, what Bible are
you reading?
Speaker 9 (36:42):
Well?
Speaker 1 (36:43):
I actually wanted to ask you about that because I
went to Boston recently, had to go back there for work.
And one is a beautiful city, I should note. But two,
I think every single church I walked past had pride
flags hanging on them. Is this a specific, dominant DONA
nation problem in the country. How in the world do
we end up with female reverence with pride flags dangling
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from the churches? How did we get here? Yeah?
Speaker 8 (37:11):
I think that that's a function of it being in
New England when the settlers landed, when the Puritans built
out the superstructure, the in a relationship of church and
state and all of that. In New England it was
robustly Christian and Bible believing and so on. But when
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it went to seed over a century ago in New England,
it basically it's what you have in the Bible, where
they have the form of religion but they deny the
power of it. Basically, that's what apostasy looks like.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
In the interview, she asked you about us being a
Christian nation.
Speaker 15 (37:53):
Here was is planting a church in d C part
of your mission to try to turn this into a
Christian Yes.
Speaker 8 (38:01):
So every society is theocratic. The only question is whose theo.
In a secular democracy, it would be demos. The people
in a Christian republic would be christ Well, what would.
Speaker 15 (38:14):
You say to someone watching this to say, look, I'm
a Muslim. Who are you to say your worldview is
better than mine, that your God is better than mine?
Speaker 8 (38:22):
Well, if I went to Saudi Arabia, I would fully
expect to live under their God's rules.
Speaker 15 (38:26):
But you said earlier that you want this to be
a Christian world. Yes, so you want to supplant their religion.
Speaker 8 (38:32):
With your Christian Yes, by peaceful means, by sharing the Gospel.
There's a lot of work yet to do. I believe
that we are working our little corner of the vineyard.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
Well, she as mortified by you, as it appears in
the video, she.
Speaker 8 (38:48):
Was as astonished.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
Right.
Speaker 8 (38:51):
She was very appable and friendly in person, and I
was really I really appreciated interacting with her. But we
we did astonish her. So a lot of those those
reaction shots were reactions to things that she wasn't expecting
anybody in the modern world to actually say. So it
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was more surprised than anything else. Just astonishment.
Speaker 1 (39:20):
What why why are there so few who speak like this? Now?
This is all biblical stuff. None of this stuff shocks me,
and none of it would shock anybody who opened up
a Bible. Why don't more pastors speak like this? Now?
How do we get so soft?
Speaker 8 (39:38):
Yeah? We were cowed into thinking that it would be
possible for us to hold these convictions behind our eyes,
in between our ears, and then, you know, we'll just
believe these things in our faith community. And if we
play nice, then they're going to leave us alone. And
that was a lie. And it turns out they're not
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going to leave us alone. And a lot of Christians
are starting to wake up. Oh, you know, they're not
keeping the deal. They're not keeping their deal. We shouldn't
have gone along with the deal in the first place,
but doubly so now that they're not keeping it.
Speaker 1 (40:17):
She also asked you about Supreme Court gay.
Speaker 5 (40:20):
Marriage here it was what he also wants gone same
sex marriage because he thinks homosexuality is a crime.
Speaker 8 (40:27):
In the late seventies and early eighties, sodomy was a
felony in all fifty states. That America of that day
was not a totalitarian hellhole.
Speaker 6 (40:36):
So you would like America.
Speaker 13 (40:38):
To go back to that.
Speaker 1 (40:39):
Yep, yeah, that must go. Yeah, that was the Democrat
Party's position back in Obama. This is, I mean, where
we're at now is new. People don't realize how new
it is.
Speaker 8 (40:54):
Yeah, it's a it's an utter novelty. And when you
when you read the Aberga felt decision is as I
have done, just as Kennedy was just pulling things out
of the stratosphere. It was just a remarkable display of arrogance. Really,
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the human race has understood what marriage was for thousands
of years, and then there's this intellect this this fad
comes along about the same epistemic level.
Speaker 1 (41:25):
Of the hula hoop.
Speaker 8 (41:27):
Right, this fad comes along, everybody swept up in it,
and we start tinkering with ancient law, ancient law, and
we just set it aside for the sake of this
gaga mami understanding of marriage. Okay, you know, come on.
And then they tried to enforce it afterwards with the cudgel.
(41:50):
So anybody who has eyes in their head and knows
that male and female together make it possible to have babies.
You know, an old school approach to this sort of thing.
If anybody is bold enough to say that those sorts
of things in public, they get hounded and harassed and
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fired and made a public display of It's just astonishing.
Speaker 1 (42:17):
It is pastor. Thank you so much. I appreciate it.
You like this kind of stuff. Would you like to
hear somebody expand a bit on these things? You know?
Mike Slater does a great podcast on that stuff, Politics
by Faith. If it interests you, Slater's the man anyway.
I love Mike. It's really really good. It's really really good.
(42:40):
It's refreshing and bring you down. Highly recommend you go
check out the Politics by Faith podcast. All right, all right,
we have light in the move next. All right, it
is time to in the mood and look, there are
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errors in politics. People make mistakes. All people do left right, middle,
everybody makes mistakes. But there are errors, and then there
are unforced errors in politics. Remember Elizabeth Warren, it's a
great one. When she tried to tell everybody she was
an Indian and then privately, privately she went and took
(43:24):
a DNA test, and the DNA test showed that she
was pretty much the whitest person in the history of mankind. Okay, well,
you could have ended there and you would have never known.
I would have never known. Then they publicly release the
results showing her to be the whitest person on the planet.
That's an unforced error. That's an own goal, if you will.
So this communist man, Donnie running for mayor of New York.
(43:49):
He decides he's going to get down on the bench
and try to bench press one hundred and thirty five pounds.
And here's how that went.
Speaker 8 (43:58):
Now, you move up in the paul over the pole.
Speaker 13 (44:03):
Yeah, don't go, let.
Speaker 9 (44:09):
Go, let go. Let's go.
Speaker 1 (44:10):
Look go, yeah, let me go, Let me go.
Speaker 8 (44:15):
Let me get do let me get do it.
Speaker 9 (44:17):
Let me get.
Speaker 1 (44:29):
You can't bench one hundred and thirty five pounds. Okay,
but let's set that aside. Some people can't bench press.
How do you not know you can do it before
you lay down and try. How do you not go
to the gym somewhere, maybe maybe get some people to
cover you up, just so you can test it and
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make sure. How do you put that on videotape. I
don't know how he comes back from that. Let's see
them all.
Okay, let's talk about retribution. The John Bolton raid. Lee
Zelden is here doing a great job at the EPA.
We'll talk to him about that. We have all that,
a pastor and more coming up, and I'm.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Right, okay, before we get started on the meat and
potatoes portion of the show on, I'm right, we have to.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Honor the passing of a legend. Donald McPherson is his name.
He was the last surviving ace from World War Two.
We developed a plane called the Hellcat World War two
bus will of course know what the Hellcat is. The
Hellcat taken off and landing on aircraft carriers. Donald McPherson
(00:53):
at one point in time, shot down five Japanese planes,
got the Congressional Golden Medal. Just a stud in every
sense of the word, a complete stud. And he just
passed at the age of one to three. Now, that's
obviously a wonderful life, a life well lived. If I'm
(01:13):
being honest. It saddens me a great deal that they're
almost all gone now, almost all those World War Two
veterans are gone. You know, Father Time is undefeated and
rest in peace, warrior, appreciate you very much, all right now,
let's talk about retribution, communism, the government everything. The John
(01:34):
Bolton raid, by the way, right when the John Bolton raid,
the rate of John Bolton's home, Right when that happened
over the weekend, I went and did a six seven
minute video on YouTube on my YouTube channel. I do
that from time to time. Go subscribe to that at
Jesse Kelly DC on YouTube. Go watch it, subscribe to it,
enjoy yourself. It's free of charge. Of course. Now let's
(01:57):
discuss it. John Bolton did what well, he did what
apparently every single person who works in the government does.
He got sticky fingers with classified documents, thought they were
his personal possession, there's value there, took them home. He's
accused of sending them to people, emailing them to family,
being I mean, unbelievably careless with critically important pieces of information.
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Do keep in mind that foreign adversaries like China and
many many others have the ability to take anything from
your email they want to take. So when you take
classified documents and you're sending them from your Gmail account,
you are exposing the United States of America to bad, bad,
bad things. So let's talk about this. What did John
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Bolton have to say, when Donald Trump's home was rated.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
If he has anything like what the complaint, what the
indictment alleges, and of course the government will have to
prove it, then he has committed very serious crime. This
is a devastating indictment. I speak here as an alumnus
of the Justice Department myself, because not only is it powerful,
it's very narrowly tailored.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
They didn't throw.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Everything up against the wall to see what would stick.
This really is a rifle shot, and I think it
should be the end of Donald Trump's political career.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
You have practically had the vapors over there at the
thought of mar Lago being rated. And now he wakes
up and his home has federal agents inside of it,
federal agents walking out with boxes. And that brings me,
of course, to what the reaction has been to this,
over and over and over and over again. If you've
been watching the television over the weekend, you saw the
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left using words like retribution. President Trump promised retribution against
his political enemies, and there is no doubt that he
is serious about keeping that promise.
Speaker 4 (03:57):
I think this is clearly retribution, and I'm in the
idea that what they just picked John Bolton, a prominent
critic of the president at random.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
What the president is trying to do here is.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
Very systemic and systematic, and that is anyone who stands
up to the president, anyone who criticized the president, anyone
who says anything adverse to the President's interests, gets the
full weight of the federal government brought down on them.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
Okay, so let's talk about retribution. What if it is?
And obviously there's a part of that. What if it
is retribution? Yeah, it should be. You see what they did,
what the communists have done with the government over the
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decades as they have conquered it. They took over all
the agencies, they took over every part of it, and
they've taken all those government guns that were supposed to
be pointed outward protecting us from foreign adversaries. And they
slowly but surely did what they always do, and they
took those guns and pointed them inward at their political opponents.
(05:05):
Did you see Jdvan sit down with Kristen Welker Lenis.
Speaker 5 (05:08):
But you know a lot of people have already looked
at this and said, this looks a lot like retribution.
Speaker 6 (05:13):
Is this retribution?
Speaker 7 (05:15):
Well, who has said it looks a lot like retribution
people who tried to throw Donald Trump in prison for
completely fake charges that were later thrown out by multiple
different courts.
Speaker 8 (05:25):
I suspect that if the media and.
Speaker 7 (05:27):
The American people led this case actually unfold, if they
let the investigation unfold as it's currently doing, they're going
to find out that what we're doing is being very
deliberate and being very driven by the national interest and
by the law here.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
And that's as it should be. Remember what they did
to Donald Trump. But you know what set out aside,
set out aside, Set aside what they did to Donald Trump,
because that's well documented. You know about that. They tried
to bankrupt and they tried to throw them in prison
in New York, they tried to throw them in prison
in Georgia. Everyone seemed to forget about that. They had
a special prosecutor. They tried to throw the Republican nominee
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in prison, in federal prison. They weren't going for fines,
they weren't going for a slap on the wrist. They
turned the FBI and CIA loose against their political opponent
and tried to throw them in prison on ridiculous charges
that to this day. Nobody can even lay out what
he was accused of doing. I don't know, so they
just made things up. But again, set aside, Donald Trump,
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Let's talk about what the Communists did to you when
they got full power. They sent the FBI into your
church here in the United States of America, the Land
of the Free. We had FBI special agents in the
parking lot of school board meetings, jotting down license plate
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numbers to open up domestic terrorist files on moms who
were mad that their kids were being taught a bunch
of gay stuff in schools. That's what the Communists did.
Mark Howke had ridiculous charges brought up against him and
an FBI swat team sent to his door with guns
pointed in his face, in his family's face, because the
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Communists were angry that rovers is way got overturned and
they wanted to take it out on somebody. This is
this is just a taste of what the Communists did
when they got power. Remember Remember all those times they
tried to call you a white supremacist.
Speaker 9 (07:28):
According to the Intelligence Community, terrorism for white supremacy is
the most lethal threat to the homeland today. Not VIIs
not Al Qaeda. White supremacists.
Speaker 10 (07:41):
In the FBI's view, the top domestic violent extremist threat
comes from racially or ethnically motivated violent extremists, specifically those
who advocated for the superiority of the white race.
Speaker 11 (07:54):
A huge chunk of those domestic terrorst investigations involve racely
motivated violent extremist motivated terrorist attacks, and the majority of
those of the racially motivated violent extremist attacks are fueled
by some kind of white supremacy.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Well, that didn't make sense, did it, because you've never
met a white supremacist in your life. So let me
explain it to you. This was in an effort to
classify their political opponents as terrorists so they could justify
sending government guns against you. What happened during Joe Biden's
four years was the most evil stuff the United States
government has ever done, because the communists conquered it and
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aimed all their guns at you, at me. That Donald Trump.
Now let's talk about something even worse. They're going to
take power again. Oh, I don't think it's going to
be soon. They've lost their minds right now. But you're
not a baby. You're not a child. You know how
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it works at some point in time, they will take
power again. What is stopping them from doing all that again?
What will stop them? Their morality? Don't make me laugh.
The only chance we have at getting these people to
back off and not do what they did before is
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making them afraid. The next time a communist puts in
a communist FBI director and has a meeting with him
and says, hey, I want these Republicans to go to prison.
The only thing that might hold that next FBI director
back is watching what happens now to the people who
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did it before and him saying to himself, I mean,
I'd love to sir, I'd love to go arrest these Republicans,
but I don't want to go to prison like the
last guy did. Retribution. You bet it is, and it
should be, because when you are in a war for power,
and we very much are in a war for power,
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you had better hit back and let the enemy know
that it can come right back to him, so he
better mind his p's and cues. That's how wars are fought.
All that may have made you uncomfortable, but I am right.
We're going to talk to Ilia Shapiro about the Supreme
Court and other things in a moment before we talk
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be back. The Supreme Court's confusing and involves a bunch
of lawyering and legal stuff, and I don't know they
(11:31):
even speak Latin every now and then, so I have
to bring on Ilia Shapiro from time to time to
help me understand what's going on and why it's going on.
So joining me now, my friend, author of one of
his most wonderful books. Lawless, Ilia Shapiro, Okay, Ilia, the
Supreme Court, the National Institutes of Health. What's happening and
why is it happening?
Speaker 12 (11:52):
Well, rest ipseolocuid or jesse, since you love that Latin. Look,
this is one of Trump's. This is one of Trump's
executive orders or the actions by the agencies to use
its lawful discretion to decide who gets grants and who doesn't,
in this case, cutting funding to DEI initiatives in the
public health space at the National Institute's for Health. And
(12:15):
here a lower court had blocked that. The Supreme Court,
by a five to four decision, blocked that block, if
you will, so the administration can continue to withhold that
funding pending further litigation.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Okay. Katanji Brown Jackson, who obviously gets mocked apparently even
by leftists these days, called this. What'd she say? Accuse
the Supreme Court of playing Calvin ball? What is she
talking about?
Speaker 12 (12:43):
Well, Calvin Ball, if I remember my comic books, correctly
is making up the rules as you get along, and
she's making the point that the only rule that the
Supreme Court majority has is Trump wins. I think it's
a completely unfair account. It's also not very well reasoned,
and indeed, in a different context at the end of
the term in June, her colleague Justice amy Cony Barrett
(13:06):
effectively called out Justice Jackson for playing calvin ball in
her reasoning. That is saying, you know, dismissing with the
back of her hand, saying that what Justice Jackson was
saying has no basis in two hundred years of precedent
or constitutional text or history. I don't like it when
the justices go after each other or accuse each other
of acting in bad faith. It's okay to criticize their opinions.
(13:30):
I criticize their opinions all the time, and these are
better lawyers than I am, so they should do that.
But I don't think it's fair here that what Justice
Jackson is saying, she's basically saying, I don't have any
legal arguments to make, so I'm just gonna pound the table.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Ili Obviously, every day we wake up there's a new
judge from some lower court somewhere blocking this or blocking
that and making an idiot of himself. How much do
they how much have they conquered the courts versus us?
We have a bunch of judges like, less amounts of
theirs and not that many of ours.
Speaker 12 (14:02):
What's the balance like, Well, at any given time, about
half the federal judiciary is appointed by Republican presidents, about
half by Democratic presidents. Of course, the Supreme Court, it's
about six to three at this point. I wouldn't call
it judicial activism, as your thing on the screen said,
because activism at this point just means a decision I
(14:23):
don't like. And these accusations come from the left the right, whatever.
We take each ruling as it comes. And the thing is,
we're at the culmination of a long trend where divergent
theories of interpretation, views on the Constitution map onto partisan
identification at a time when the parties themselves are more
ideologically sordid and polarized, and they've been since at least
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the Civil War. And of course, parties challenging a Republican
president will file in DC and Boston and Seattle. Parties
challenging a Democratic president will file in Texas, and these
things get accelerated up to the Supreme Court. That's why
we see a lot of action on what some call
the emergency docket or the interim relief docket, basically the
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stuff that's not the normal months and months of briefing
and argument process. But we live in polarized times, and
the courts reflect that.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
The Supreme Court hasn't smacked around the lower courts in
the way much of the right wants them to. Meaning,
you know, Robert's saying, stop this, stop this, You're not
allowed to do this anymore. Are they going to or
is it all operating the way it should?
Speaker 12 (15:33):
They're starting to bit by bit, and you saw this
last month in July. There are a couple of rulings
where the Supreme Court not even a five to four,
six to three, but basically everyone other than Jackson and
Soda Mayor was saying, cut it out. We've already ruled
this way. I might not like it, says Kagan, but
you have to follow what the Supreme Court does. So
(15:54):
bit by bit they're getting they're giving more instruction. But look,
the Court is not a legislative body, so it's always reactive.
It's always a step behind what lower courts are are doing.
And I think this will get resolved in the end,
but it takes some time.
Speaker 1 (16:14):
Bilia Clarence Thomas, who I adore, Alito, you know, the
ones we all adore. They're getting old, are they going
to retire?
Speaker 12 (16:25):
So it's still much more likely than not that the
Republicans keep the Senate after the twenty six elections, after
next year's elections, and so to the extent politics is
part of the process, I wouldn't look until twenty twenty
seven to start speculating beyond that. Both of them love
the power they're having. Justice Thomas is the senior most
associate Justice. Justice Alito gets to write opinions in lots
(16:49):
of big cases. You know, they seem relatively healthy and
vigorous and energetic. And for Thomas specifically, if he serves
through May of twenty basically through the end of that term,
he becomes the longest ever serving Justice. So I would
start looking at some speculation depending on what Republican prospects
are for the White House in twenty eight, but Thomas
(17:13):
certainly wouldn't go until I think he sets that benchmark.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Who's Trump's best pick? Gorsuch?
Speaker 11 (17:21):
Uh?
Speaker 12 (17:22):
Well, I don't want to I don't want to pick favorites.
I guess I think Gorsich probably is my favorite of
Trump's three picks. Yes, Trump now is saying he wants
people more like Alito and Thomas than any of the
three that he picked. Frankly, most Federal Society members or
others of the kind of traditional conservative legal movement would
probably be in agreement with that. And there are plenty
(17:45):
of young judges, all of whom Trump appointed, younger federal
judges who clerked for Alito and Thomas, and so there's
a very good farm team ready to be called up
to serve if needed.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
What's coming on the Supreme Court big rulings, small rulings.
Speaker 12 (18:03):
Well, the traditional beginning of the term is the first
Monday in October. And we do have already a case
challenging Colorado's ban on talk therapy for gender dysphoria. So
recall last term, in the Scremeti case, the Court okayed
Tennessee's ban on mutilation for gender purposes of minors. This
(18:25):
is kind of the flip side talk therapy that's being
banned in case someone is, you know, might have some
mental illness or isn't sure about their gender, what have you.
That's a big one. A couple of big political law cases.
We haven't had campaign finance and political law on the
docket in a while. Several opportunities for the Court to
weigh in that will have direct impact even with the
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twenty sixth election, let alone twenty eight.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Ilio, what about birthright citizenship? Are we ever going to
get a ruling in a correct one on this insane
anchor baby problem?
Speaker 12 (18:57):
We have I predict that this case will come before
the Supreme Court at least one more time without a
decision on the merits of whether birthright is citizenship is
constitutionally required. Because even after the Supreme Court ruled to
get rid of universal injunctions, nationwide injunctions by district court
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already other lower courts have certified class actions to challenge
Trump's Birthright Citizenship Executive Order, as well as states saying
that they need nationwide injunctions to be able to vindicate
their rights. So there's one more beat on the procedural
stuff before we're even going to get to that big
(19:39):
media constitutional issue.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
Thank you, brother, I appreciate it all right. The EPA,
big cheese. Lee Zelden doing amazing work at the EPA.
No one talks about it because EPA isn't in the
news every day. Has been doing awesome stuff. He's going
to join us next we'll riff about some things. Before
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The government never shrinks, and that does in my forty
four years on this planet. Just government grows and grows
and grows and grows and grows. We're looking by year
end at three hundred thousand fewer federal workers. Gosh, that's
amazing and joining me now somebody who's been a big
part of that. So happy for him, Happy we have him.
The EPA Administrator, Lee Zelden, Hey Lee, well done. What
(21:36):
are you guys doing over there? Fire and everybody?
Speaker 13 (21:39):
Oh listen.
Speaker 14 (21:40):
We came in at the beginning of January and had
a lot on our plate of what we needed to
tackle operationally with policy. On the operational side, the President
signing executive Order ending covid Era remote work. We had
to get people back into the building the numbers I
had asked for just to get a so how many
(22:00):
people were even coming in. Average attendance on Mondays and
Fridays last year was five to eight percent. The record
high day of attendance was thirty one percent. We went
through reorganizations. When we came in, our number was about
sixteen thousand, one hundred and fifty five. The number is
going to be right sized about twelve thousand, five hundred
(22:24):
and we will actually get more of our statutory obligations
fulfilled at twenty three percent less than what we came
in on. It's about priorities. We inherited a massive, massive
backlog to pessive side Review, New Chemical Review, Small refinery exemptions,
state implementation plans, and we should be prioritizing first and
(22:45):
foremost the statutory obligations in front of this agency, statutes
out there by Congress. On the policy side, we inherited
what were a lot of decisions from twenty twenty three
and twenty twenty four from the Biden administration, where they
were getting a lot of new rules and regulations over
the finish line, trying to strangulate out of existence entire
(23:08):
sectors of our economy, specifically our energy economy, were not
just them. And we're trying to reverse that damage as
quickly as we can, doing everything at once. And the
last thing they'll mention that we had to tackle again,
we'll just do it everything at the same time is
tracking down all of the money that was going through
the EPA, tens of billions of dollars. I've now canceled
(23:31):
over twenty nine billion dollars worth of grants since I've
gotten here. We found all sorts of money just riddled
with self dealing, conflicts of interest, unqualified recipients, reduced agency oversight,
money going to well connected left wing activist NGOs. And
we come in and we're not trying to get that
money redirected towards right wing activist NGOs. This isn't about
(23:55):
ideologically just trying to get it to well connected friends
on the right about the taxpayer and that money should
be fought for for all American taxpayers and not lit
on fire.
Speaker 13 (24:08):
So, yeah, a lot of priorities.
Speaker 14 (24:10):
Staff size, money spent regulations. We'll do more deregulation in
one year than entire federal governments have done across all agencies,
across entire presidencies.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Just at the EPA, tell me about these regulations. What
kind of regulations have we been living under in this country?
Because people don't realize what a regulatory state we have
right now.
Speaker 13 (24:34):
So there was a.
Speaker 14 (24:35):
Supreme Court decision called Loperbright that came out in recent years,
overturning the Chevron doctrine. Essentially the Supreme Court saying that
agencies like the EPA should not be getting creative in
giving themselves their own power. That the EPA shouldn't be
saying that where a statute is silent, that it should
(24:57):
be interpreted to mean wealth. If the statute doesn't say can't,
then I guess that means we can. No, And the
major policy Doctrines also says that if you're going to
do trillions of dollars of regulation, well maybe that should
be something debated and voted on by Congress as opposed
to bureaucrats at an agency.
Speaker 13 (25:16):
In Washington, DC.
Speaker 14 (25:18):
So we come in, we want to follow the rule
of law. We want to follow the plane reading of
the law, and these rules, these regulations over the course
the last couple of years, not just the last couple
of years, but that's a lot of decisions that were
made where they're trying to get rid of the coal industry,
for example. So we come in and we're going to
(25:38):
respect the Supreme Court decisions in West Virginia Verse EPA,
Michigan Verus EPA.
Speaker 8 (25:43):
And more.
Speaker 14 (25:44):
And we proposed that we're going to rescind the Clean
Power Plan two point zero. Sounds good until you get
into the details the twenty twenty four mercury and air
toxic standards. Well, of course we need mercury and air
toxic standards, and we still will have mercury and air
toxic standards, but the twenty twenty four mercurr and air
toxic standards will get reconsidered again, just like the Clean
(26:08):
Power Plan and some of these other rules that came
out trying to get all these coal plants across America
to just shut down.
Speaker 13 (26:17):
We sent to Washington. We sent to Congress here in
d C.
Speaker 14 (26:22):
Three biden EPA waivers that were given the state of
California that they used for their electric vehicle mandate and
other tailpipe emissions. Congress then reviewed it, and under the
Congression Review Act, they passed three bills signed by the
President getting rid of those EPA waivers.
Speaker 13 (26:40):
We also proposed.
Speaker 14 (26:41):
For recision the two thousand and nine Obama EPA endangerment
Finding and all other regulations that followed based on the
endangerment finding for light, medium, and heavy duty vehicles. We're
talking about a trillion dollars with the most conservative s
the mint that would get safe.
Speaker 13 (27:02):
So there you're talking vehicles.
Speaker 14 (27:04):
You could talk energy policy, manufacturing, and so much more.
The consequences of these policies are real. We're choosing to
protect the environment and grow the economy.
Speaker 13 (27:16):
It's not a binary choice.
Speaker 14 (27:18):
We're not going to choose between the two. The American
public choose both.
Speaker 13 (27:23):
We choose both.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
Can you elaborate a little bit on our refining, our
ability to refine here because people don't understand how much
that has been taken away, how critically important it is,
and then how hard it is to build him again.
You don't build them in a month.
Speaker 14 (27:39):
President Trump is talking about unleashing energy dominance. He formed
the National Energy Dominance Council, Doug Bergham as chair, as
Secretary of Interior, Chris Wright vice chair, Secretary of Energy.
I'm on that, Secretary Lutnik, and others. We meet with
the President frequently to discuss policy as relates to National
Energy's Council.
Speaker 13 (28:01):
We want to President Trump wants.
Speaker 14 (28:02):
To unleash energy dominance right here in our own country.
We tap into our own energy supply better than so
many other countries do elsewhere around the world, so it's
better for economy or national security, but also for our environment.
We also need to build more pipelines. President Trump has
been pushing a new LNG pipeline over the course of
(28:24):
hundreds of miles in Alaska, right next to the Trans
Alaska Pipeline. He's been pushing Constitution pipeline, which would deliver
natural gas from Pennsylvania to New England. NeSSI pipeline, which
would be built delivering natural gas onto Long Island. There's
a big natural gas pipeline that's been getting advanced in
southwest United States, delivering from New Mexico and into Arizona.
Speaker 13 (28:49):
And the list goes on.
Speaker 14 (28:49):
So it's not just about tapping into what is under us,
but making sure it could get to these residents and
businesses across the entire country, keep costs down, be able
to create jobs, and allow Americans to be able to
afford UH to heat their home and to fill their
car up and not have to rely on foreign sources
(29:10):
of energy in order to do it.
Speaker 8 (29:13):
Lee.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
What's cloud seating? You see a million Internet crack pop
conspiracy theories on what it is, what it isn't, what's happening?
What is it? Didn't we make it rain?
Speaker 14 (29:24):
Yes, that that is something that is allowed in a
in some states here in the United States. It's not
a national Act of Congress that has cloud seating all
across the entire country, but some states have been supportive
of cloud seating, specifically to be able to create elements
(29:47):
to make it rain.
Speaker 1 (29:49):
UH.
Speaker 14 (29:49):
And that's something that you know, I've been outspoken on
with concerns as it relates to different forms of weather modification, geoengineering,
I believe that a lot of this has not been
thoroughly researched and vetted out enough. And you know, I
just did an interview with another person in the media
(30:12):
on the right a few days ago where that person
pointed out, you know, we shouldn't be playing god with
these activities, and gosh, the you know, the point is
well taken, especially when this hasn't been thoroughly adequately substantially vetted.
Speaker 13 (30:27):
Out and researched.
Speaker 14 (30:28):
In the past, the federal government has even funded some
of these activities.
Speaker 13 (30:34):
There's some talk where private actors are.
Speaker 14 (30:37):
Discussing large investments to scale up their activity of geoengineering.
In one case, you know, we're we're aware of an
entity that has not scaled up, but they want to
put sulfur dioxide into the stratosphere, which causes acid rain,
and they want to do it with a desire to
(30:59):
advance stratospheric aerosol injection solar radiation modification to try to
get the Sun to deflect off of different levels of
our atmosphere so that they can help combat global warming.
But instead of these entities going rogue and being able
(31:19):
to have a free run to be able to do
this This is something that I've been outspoken about in
educating the public. I believe that the American public should
know whatever I get to know whatever I know as
administrative VPA. And I would also say that this isn't
just about the United States. There are other countries that
have been pursuing geoengineering. And even if it was stopped
(31:44):
here in the United States, if it's happening elsewhere, what
happens over over the Asian continent or over the European
continent impacts other continents, including our own. Just because it
happens out of our country doesn't mean that an impact.
And then my last thing I'll say is this my
only word advice for anyone listening who cares about these issues.
Speaker 13 (32:06):
You have to be accurate.
Speaker 14 (32:08):
We all have to be accurate in how we discuss it.
Speaker 13 (32:10):
I've found some people confusing different terms.
Speaker 14 (32:16):
Where they'll describe, you know, they'll show a picture or
a video and they'll describe it as something other than
what it actually is. It's very important for credibility of
the argument to make sure that everyone is communicating here
accurately with what exactly you're showing in that picture and
that video that's going to be key, but I think
(32:40):
a lot of people in this country just don't.
Speaker 13 (32:42):
They've just ignored this issue.
Speaker 14 (32:45):
They save Anyone talking about it must be whearing a
tinfoil hat conspiracy theorist, and none of it's true. We
put up on our web page EPA dot gov slash
geoengineering everything that we were able to collect after I
was sworn in and I told the staff here at EPA,
I have a lot of questions.
Speaker 13 (33:06):
Here are my questions.
Speaker 14 (33:08):
Whatever the answers are, I'm not trying to bias the answers.
I just want to know what the answer, what the
answer is, what the fact is, what the truth is,
and whatever you.
Speaker 13 (33:16):
Tell me, I'm going to share publicly.
Speaker 14 (33:20):
Because I don't see any reason whatsoever for me to
be holding anything back. We should be fully transparent, whether
that proves a theory true or it proves a theory untrue.
We should just be telling the public whatever it is
we know.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
Lee, thank you so much for the work you're doing. Brother,
appreciate you. I appreciate sleep too. I'm a huge sleep fan.
And as you get older, it's not as easy to
come by, right. It's just not when you're ten years old,
you go to sleep for twelve hours, no problem. You
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wake up about things. That's why I'm a big believer
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You don't feel rested. I don't feel like you had
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Speaker 8 (34:59):
Women are the kind of people that people come out
of so.
Speaker 15 (35:03):
You just think they're meant to have babies.
Speaker 8 (35:05):
They're dis avestent. No, it doesn't take any talent to
simply reproduce biologically. The wife and mother who is the
chief executive of the home is entrusted with three or
four or five eternal souls.
Speaker 15 (35:19):
I'm here as a working journalist and I'm a mom
of three.
Speaker 8 (35:22):
Good for you?
Speaker 1 (35:23):
Is that an issue?
Speaker 8 (35:24):
No, no, it's not automatically an.
Speaker 5 (35:26):
Issue, Wilson says. In his vision of a Christian society,
women as individuals shouldn't be able to vote.
Speaker 15 (35:32):
Looking at the leadership page for Christ Church, it's all men.
Do you accept women and leadership roles in the church
and government in the church?
Speaker 8 (35:40):
No? Wow, because the Bible says it's not to Well.
Speaker 6 (35:43):
That's not what happens in the Bible. Women do lead
all the time.
Speaker 5 (35:47):
Progressive Faith leader Reverend Jennifer Butler is concerned about Wilson's
growing influence.
Speaker 6 (35:52):
He is rapidly gaining empower. He has hundreds of churches
established around the country. They actually literally wanted to take
over towns and cities and they have access to this administration.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
Reverend joining me now Minister of Christ Church in Moscow, Idaho,
Douglas Wilson I loved I loved the interview pastor how
mortified she was at the basic teachings that are in
the Bible. Should women be in church leadership. No, it's
laid out pretty well by Paul.
Speaker 8 (36:30):
Right, it's kind of just says it right there.
Speaker 10 (36:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (36:33):
No, and then the lady. The lady said, oh, they
lead all the time. I think, man, what Bible are
you reading?
Speaker 9 (36:42):
Well?
Speaker 1 (36:43):
I actually wanted to ask you about that because I
went to Boston recently, had to go back there for work.
And one is a beautiful city, I should note. But two,
I think every single church I walked past had pride
flags hanging on them. Is this a specific, dominant DONA
nation problem in the country. How in the world do
we end up with female reverence with pride flags dangling
(37:07):
from the churches? How did we get here? Yeah?
Speaker 8 (37:11):
I think that that's a function of it being in
New England when the settlers landed, when the Puritans built
out the superstructure, the in a relationship of church and
state and all of that. In New England it was
robustly Christian and Bible believing and so on. But when
(37:33):
it went to seed over a century ago in New England,
it basically it's what you have in the Bible, where
they have the form of religion but they deny the
power of it. Basically, that's what apostasy looks like.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
In the interview, she asked you about us being a
Christian nation.
Speaker 15 (37:53):
Here was is planting a church in d C part
of your mission to try to turn this into a
Christian Yes.
Speaker 8 (38:01):
So every society is theocratic. The only question is whose theo.
In a secular democracy, it would be demos. The people
in a Christian republic would be christ Well, what would.
Speaker 15 (38:14):
You say to someone watching this to say, look, I'm
a Muslim. Who are you to say your worldview is
better than mine, that your God is better than mine?
Speaker 8 (38:22):
Well, if I went to Saudi Arabia, I would fully
expect to live under their God's rules.
Speaker 15 (38:26):
But you said earlier that you want this to be
a Christian world. Yes, so you want to supplant their religion.
Speaker 8 (38:32):
With your Christian Yes, by peaceful means, by sharing the Gospel.
There's a lot of work yet to do. I believe
that we are working our little corner of the vineyard.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
Well, she as mortified by you, as it appears in
the video, she.
Speaker 8 (38:48):
Was as astonished.
Speaker 1 (38:49):
Right.
Speaker 8 (38:51):
She was very appable and friendly in person, and I
was really I really appreciated interacting with her. But we
we did astonish her. So a lot of those those
reaction shots were reactions to things that she wasn't expecting
anybody in the modern world to actually say. So it
(39:13):
was more surprised than anything else. Just astonishment.
Speaker 1 (39:20):
What why why are there so few who speak like this? Now?
This is all biblical stuff. None of this stuff shocks me,
and none of it would shock anybody who opened up
a Bible. Why don't more pastors speak like this? Now?
How do we get so soft?
Speaker 8 (39:38):
Yeah? We were cowed into thinking that it would be
possible for us to hold these convictions behind our eyes,
in between our ears, and then, you know, we'll just
believe these things in our faith community. And if we
play nice, then they're going to leave us alone. And
that was a lie. And it turns out they're not
(40:01):
going to leave us alone. And a lot of Christians
are starting to wake up. Oh, you know, they're not
keeping the deal. They're not keeping their deal. We shouldn't
have gone along with the deal in the first place,
but doubly so now that they're not keeping it.
Speaker 1 (40:17):
She also asked you about Supreme Court gay.
Speaker 5 (40:20):
Marriage here it was what he also wants gone same
sex marriage because he thinks homosexuality is a crime.
Speaker 8 (40:27):
In the late seventies and early eighties, sodomy was a
felony in all fifty states. That America of that day
was not a totalitarian hellhole.
Speaker 6 (40:36):
So you would like America.
Speaker 13 (40:38):
To go back to that.
Speaker 1 (40:39):
Yep, yeah, that must go. Yeah, that was the Democrat
Party's position back in Obama. This is, I mean, where
we're at now is new. People don't realize how new
it is.
Speaker 8 (40:54):
Yeah, it's a it's an utter novelty. And when you
when you read the Aberga felt decision is as I
have done, just as Kennedy was just pulling things out
of the stratosphere. It was just a remarkable display of arrogance. Really,
(41:14):
the human race has understood what marriage was for thousands
of years, and then there's this intellect this this fad
comes along about the same epistemic level.
Speaker 1 (41:25):
Of the hula hoop.
Speaker 8 (41:27):
Right, this fad comes along, everybody swept up in it,
and we start tinkering with ancient law, ancient law, and
we just set it aside for the sake of this
gaga mami understanding of marriage. Okay, you know, come on.
And then they tried to enforce it afterwards with the cudgel.
(41:50):
So anybody who has eyes in their head and knows
that male and female together make it possible to have babies.
You know, an old school approach to this sort of thing.
If anybody is bold enough to say that those sorts
of things in public, they get hounded and harassed and
(42:10):
fired and made a public display of It's just astonishing.
Speaker 1 (42:17):
It is pastor. Thank you so much. I appreciate it.
You like this kind of stuff. Would you like to
hear somebody expand a bit on these things? You know?
Mike Slater does a great podcast on that stuff, Politics
by Faith. If it interests you, Slater's the man anyway.
I love Mike. It's really really good. It's really really good.
(42:40):
It's refreshing and bring you down. Highly recommend you go
check out the Politics by Faith podcast. All right, all right,
we have light in the move next. All right, it
is time to in the mood and look, there are
(43:04):
errors in politics. People make mistakes. All people do left right, middle,
everybody makes mistakes. But there are errors, and then there
are unforced errors in politics. Remember Elizabeth Warren, it's a
great one. When she tried to tell everybody she was
an Indian and then privately, privately she went and took
(43:24):
a DNA test, and the DNA test showed that she
was pretty much the whitest person in the history of mankind. Okay, well,
you could have ended there and you would have never known.
I would have never known. Then they publicly release the
results showing her to be the whitest person on the planet.
That's an unforced error. That's an own goal, if you will.
So this communist man, Donnie running for mayor of New York.
(43:49):
He decides he's going to get down on the bench
and try to bench press one hundred and thirty five pounds.
And here's how that went.
Speaker 8 (43:58):
Now, you move up in the paul over the pole.
Speaker 13 (44:03):
Yeah, don't go, let.
Speaker 9 (44:09):
Go, let go. Let's go.
Speaker 1 (44:10):
Look go, yeah, let me go, Let me go.
Speaker 8 (44:15):
Let me get do let me get do it.
Speaker 9 (44:17):
Let me get.
Speaker 1 (44:29):
You can't bench one hundred and thirty five pounds. Okay,
but let's set that aside. Some people can't bench press.
How do you not know you can do it before
you lay down and try. How do you not go
to the gym somewhere, maybe maybe get some people to
cover you up, just so you can test it and
(44:50):
make sure. How do you put that on videotape. I
don't know how he comes back from that. Let's see
them all.
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