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June 17, 2025 44 mins

A horrible scene took place in Minnesota. Jesse Kelly gets the latest from Liz Collin of Alpha News and offers his thoughts on the bigger picture. This comes as the 'No Kings' protests fell flat on their face. Jesse explains why. Plus, a discussion about the Israel vs Iran conflict with Steve Deace.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Okay, let's talk about these assassinations over the weekend, the
riots over the weekend. Yes, we're going to talk about
those separately. Liz Colin is here. All that and more
coming up on I'm right, Okay, I want to have

(00:23):
a talk about where we're at in America and what
it means for you and me and what we're going
to look like going forward. And I just felt like
having this talk because I'm sure you follow the news
over the weekend. I'm sure you've been reading everything you
can right now about this assassination in Minnesota. Actually, I
guess assassinations. State lawmaker dead, husband dead, another state senator shop.

(00:49):
The man is already in custody. And look, we're not
going to get into all the he said, she said,
details about this guy and things like that right now,
because there's still we're still sifting through all the information,
who he was, what his motivation was. It's too much
bunk information out there, and we're not going to dig
into that right now on the show.

Speaker 2 (01:07):
Let's let it play out.

Speaker 1 (01:08):
What we are going to dig into is something that
we have brought up from time to time about our culture,
how our culture is changing for the worse, and how
we are becoming a culture of assassination. I talked about
this back in September. We are going to move into
being a culture of assassination. The ground is already prepped,

(01:34):
The ground is prepped, the people have been conditioned. We
now are going to be a country where political leaders
this is not going to be isolated to Trump.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
They are going to live in fear for their lives.

Speaker 1 (01:53):
That's where we are and it's where we're going to be.
You know, we won an election, it didn't change that
is where we're going to be. So let's talk about
why why are we a culture of assassination? Now It's
a long, complicated answer.

Speaker 2 (02:10):
So here it is.

Speaker 1 (02:11):
First, the unbelievable rise of mental illness in the country.
And this is just mental illness that has been diagnosed.
The numbers are through the roof, the percentage of Americans
on antidepressants through the roof. We just destroy every other
country in these numbers. Combine that and I realize that

(02:33):
one leads to the other. Oftentimes with the number of
broken homes in the country, lost, drugged out, anxiety ridden, depressed,
that this is all politics aside that already has created
a toxic stew of mentally ill people. You know, if
I have a thousand people in a room in a

(02:54):
theater and I'm trying to encourage them to commit acts
of violence, but all thousand people come from solid, two
parent homes, raised with values, They know who they are,
have good jobs, good lives. I'll probably fail in my
efforts to get somebody to go crazy enough to go

(03:15):
kill someone. But if I'm standing in front of a
thousand people and they're all depressed, they're all anxiety written,
they all hate their lives, hate their parents, hate themselves,
hate their country. Am I going to be able to
find at least one in that group to go commit
an active murder? Probably my odds go way up. Well,
that's where we are as a country. You see, we

(03:38):
are there. And when you combine the toxic stew of
America's mental illness, broken home problem with the never ending
apocalyptic rhetoric from the communists.

Speaker 2 (03:51):
On the other side, what you have done is you.

Speaker 1 (03:54):
Have created a culture that guarantees political violence. We will
always have it. And do keep this in mind. The
left loves it.

Speaker 2 (04:07):
They like it.

Speaker 1 (04:08):
When you woke up, it was a Democrat who got
killed in her husband, But when you woke up probably
said the same thing I did. I think it was
a Saturday morning, Sunday morning, this assassination stuff woke up.
I'm looking at it on my phone, talked to ob
about it, talk to my wife.

Speaker 2 (04:21):
But both of us were, Oh, that is just terrible.
Killed at their homes at the That's not how the
left reacted at all.

Speaker 1 (04:29):
In fact, as they always do, the Left saw an opportunity.

Speaker 3 (04:35):
There are so called leaders in America, an elected and
appointed office, who are creating a climate of violence, making
it clear to some of their supporters that it should
be open season on public officials.

Speaker 4 (04:51):
I feel like Trump has really popped the lid of
the rhetoric and the sense of hate and violence and
promoted this type of an environment is profoundly disturbing for
all of us.

Speaker 5 (05:05):
President Trump is the biggest problem here. I mean he
has used hateful to creating rhetoric from the day he
decided to run for president and then pardoning all of
the January sixth attackers at the US Capitol. Look, if
Donald Trump the Republican Party want this kind of thing
to stop, they need to change their rhetoric and stop
pardoning people who commit acts that are dangerous to.

Speaker 6 (05:29):
This in mind, I think the first thing we need
to do is have our leaders take the temperature down.
We're not expecting to see that from President Trump. Unfortunately,
he has, more than anyone given the permission structure for
this reality. And even what we've seen in the last
week in Los Angeles sparked by a kind of state
violence by ICE being extremely aggressive in their approach to

(05:53):
immigration enforcement, that created a response from couple things.

Speaker 1 (06:01):
I know you're probably looking at that little montage and
you're rolling your eyes.

Speaker 2 (06:05):
Are these people crazy?

Speaker 1 (06:06):
That's a lie. It's Democrats. Listen, listen, it is crazy.
But here's what I want you to understand, and what's
hard for us. Always understand. It's hard for me, it's
hard for you. They're not speaking to you when they
go on television and speak like that. They know that
normal people are going to reject that kind of dishonesty.

(06:28):
That's not the Democrat base. They're not speaking to normal people.
They're talking to that theater full of a thousand six
freaks who can be nudged into committing acts of violence,
especially when they believe the violence is justified and the
violence is in self defense and when they believe they're
stopping Nazis. We out of North Carolina State Rep post

(06:52):
on Facebook saying cuts may be necessary while holding a
decapitated head of Donald Trump and Steve Van Miller. Of course,
Steven Miller had a swastika on his head. Oh, by
the way, what would you do? What is okay? What
is acceptable to do? When you're stopping Adolf Hitler. Well,

(07:16):
there's a reason they talk like this.

Speaker 2 (07:19):
Donald Trump is America's Hitler.

Speaker 1 (07:24):
Yeah, let's say you're sitting at home, pap an anti depressants,
you hate your life, you have no self worth, You're
sitting there consuming this stuff all day long.

Speaker 2 (07:40):
How much does it take?

Speaker 1 (07:42):
How many nudges do you need before you grab a
weapon and you go do something absolutely terrible? Again, I
know you roll your eyes whenever Eric Swolwell speaks at all,
let alone when he calls Trump a Nazi. But the
mentally ill, deranged liberal aunt Peggy in her house to say,
not roll her eyes. She hears it, she believes it,

(08:03):
and she marches forward. How many mentally I will sit
back and watch this kind of rhetoric.

Speaker 7 (08:11):
And we all know one thing. Donald Trump is just
lying about the Bill lying about the bill. Well, here's
the we are all going to die at.

Speaker 8 (08:23):
Truly wanted to celebrate the army's turn, the fiftieth birthday,
then spending the money the correct way, not with a
parade for a tin pot dictator want to be, which
is what Donald Trump is. I felt that it was obscene.

Speaker 2 (08:35):
I'm fighting today's Nazis.

Speaker 9 (08:37):
Look, I remember a few stand ups ago and I
talked about what.

Speaker 2 (08:41):
Terrorism looks like. This is it.

Speaker 9 (08:43):
There should be no question to what our country would
look like.

Speaker 2 (08:45):
How the Confederacy want.

Speaker 1 (08:47):
What they want is to fulfill Stephen Miller's white nationalist fantasy.

Speaker 10 (08:54):
I'm the sender of alex I have questions for the
secretary because of the matter. Is half a dozen filing
criminals that you're rushitting on your If this is how

(09:16):
this administration responds to a senator with a question, If
this is how the Apartment of Home od Security responds
to a senator with a question, you can only imagine
what they're doing to farm workers, to cooks, to day laborers.

Speaker 1 (09:41):
That kind of rhetoric for ten years now, ten years
since Donald Trump came down the escalator. That kind of
rhetoric for ten years is exactly how you have grown
men taking it to the streets, beating up on a
Trump doll.

Speaker 3 (09:59):
We were just trying.

Speaker 2 (10:19):
What kind of people will go out and kill.

Speaker 1 (10:26):
They've been killing for so long, shooting killing, I mean
back to the congressional baseball game. Those kind of people
activated with the rhetoric they hear from Democrat politicians and
pushed out by America's media who love these acts of violence,
a culture of assassination. I am sad to say I

(10:46):
take no joy in this at all. The one we
just had won't be the last one.

Speaker 2 (10:52):
There will be more.

Speaker 1 (10:53):
All that may have made you uncomfortable, but I am right.
This happened in Minnesota, so we might as well go.
Who are favorite journalists from Minnesota? Liz Colin is going
to join us and give us the updates on the
latest and worst. I guess with this whole affair. Before
we get to Liz Colin, I want to talk to
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Speaker 2 (12:00):
I love them so much.

Speaker 1 (12:01):
Pure talk dot com slash jessetv will be back. Well,
we still need some journalists, and I realized we don't
have a ton of them left in the country. But
whenever there are big stories, I don't know about you,
I'm the same way. I need somebody given the volume

(12:22):
of information that comes at us, especially on social media.
I need somebody to lay out for me details and facts,
just in an unbiased way, laying things out. We saw
these assassinations slash assassination attempts at Minnesota this weekend, very
freaking sad, and I was doing the same thing you were.
Don't think that I have some special access some on
my phone video articles.

Speaker 2 (12:44):
He was a who, I don't know. That's why we
need Liz joining me now.

Speaker 1 (12:48):
One of the better investigative reporters I've ever talked to
in my life with Alpha News, Liz Colin. Okay, Liz,
I'm just going to hand the program over to you.
Can you give us a timeline of what happened? Who, what, when,
where and why and I'll ask questions from there.

Speaker 2 (13:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 11 (13:07):
Just really a horrific weekend in Minnesota, unlike anything we've
ever seen before. We've certainly seen a lot, but just
a terrible tragedy that took place. This all unfolded beginning
about two in the morning on Saturday. We now know
that charges are becoming public after this vance bolter has

(13:30):
now been charged federally, could actually even face the death
penalty that wasn't ruled out today. But he went first
to Senator John Hoffman's home estate Senator here in Minnesota
shot multiple times as Senator Hoffman and his wife. We
understand his wife actually jumped over their daughter as well
to shield her from gunfire. And this bolter was actually

(13:53):
dressed as a police officer, and that's what he said
at the door to basically open up. He's with the
police department. They let him into their home, and this
is when the shots are fired. He then leaves that address.
We now understand he stopped at two other addresses. People
were not home at those addresses, other state lawmakers as well,

(14:13):
and then ends up about more than an hour later
at Speaker America. Melissa Hortman, former House speaker here in
Minnesota and her husband Mark our home at the time,
and this is when he again is dressed in you know,
as a police officer. He starts shooting into their home.

(14:34):
They are tragically both killed, and an alert police officer
ends up actually at their home at this exact same
time starts shooting at him. This alert police officer wanted
to go check. It's only about five miles or so
away from where Senator Hoffman had been shot in his wife.
This cop just happens to sort of you see him

(14:54):
in the act, shoots somehow, he's able to get away.
He has a squad car something that looks like a
squad car he had a security company parked in the driveway,
gets away on foot and this man hunt then ensues
nearly a forty eight hour manhunt to find him. Eventually,
he's found in a farm field late last night, about
ten o'clock or so and just surrenders to police. Is

(15:18):
actually seen just putting his hands up in the air.
A drone was flying overhead at the time and was
kind of laying on his back from what I understand,
and then got up, walked to the Bearcat swat vehicle
that was nearby, and identified himself as Lance Bolter and
putting an end to the largest man hunt we understand

(15:38):
in Minnesota history.

Speaker 1 (15:41):
Liz, I am positive that you've at least seen at
the endless room was going back and forth. And I
have no interest in trafficking in any of that stuff
at all, because so can you tell me what you
know about this guy's background? He is? He a criminal,
drugs divores, broken fan, it is what do we know

(16:01):
about him? Yeah?

Speaker 11 (16:04):
I agree, there is so much out there and we've
been been sifting through it. I have very good sources
here in Minnesota, and you can tell something is going
on with this guy's life these last couple of years.
He had been appointed to a Workforce Development board under
Governor Mark Dayton and also Governor Tim Walls. However, there's
more than one hundred of these boards and hard to

(16:26):
say if you know who knew who and whatnot. But
what's interesting is he was renting a room at a
home in North Minneapolis. But yet he had a family
in green Isle, Minnesota, which is about an hour from
from Minneapolis, a family, five children and a wife, and
he would show up at this address, from what I understand,

(16:46):
two to three times a week, and the neighbors tell
me that he would basically arrive at about midnight and
leave about four or five in the morning. We heard
some details come out today as part of these charges
that say he was doing kind of research on all
of these victims. They did discover a lot of They
first at first called it a manifesto, but it was

(17:06):
described to me more by my law enforcement sources as
a hit list, actual just names of people. They seem
to be all Democrats, more than sixty names is what
we've obtained. Also, a planned parenthood location, so things like
that were all scribbled in a notebook. From what we understand,
and I think people rightfully so are looking for answers.

(17:29):
But it seems that there was perhaps some financial trouble
going on with him, and he'd been planning something for
quite some time. Just by the appearance of everything here, Jesse.

Speaker 1 (17:42):
Do we know obviously a lot it's been made about
him working on one of Tim Walls's boards, but governors,
governors are over a lot of boards. Governors do a
lot of appointees. Do we know do we have any
knowledged his Tim Walls ever met this guy? And if
they met, was it you know, hey, can you take
a picture from my Instagram? Or do they actually know
each other? Is there any kind of a relationship here

(18:04):
at all?

Speaker 2 (18:05):
What do we know?

Speaker 1 (18:05):
And I don't need any help to hate Tim Wallas,
but does he actually know this guy? Yeah?

Speaker 11 (18:11):
I think that the Star Tribune did some reporting that
this weekend and they said that they were able to
get some answers from his office that it appears he
did not Again, these are there are quite a few boards.
And his roommate went ahead and said that he was
a Republican and people are running with that. But nowadays

(18:33):
it seems everybody wants to make everything obviously about politics.
But you know, Democrat Republican, this guy's a monster at
the end of the day, and did not make much
sense with what was happening in his life. We understand
that he sent a text message at about six in
the morning to his family, so this would have been
several hours after the murders of Melissa Hortman and her

(18:55):
husband Mark. He sent this text at six eighteen am.
Dad went to war last night. I don't want to
say much more because I don't want to implicate you
all in this. So this was at six eighteen hours
after that. We've also obtained some video encouraged people to
follow me on x It's Liz Collin and also Elpha

(19:15):
News MN, but some surveillance video where you can see
actually this guy come back to his residence in Minneapolis.
He leaves then wearing this cowboy hat, has a hammer
in his hand, breaks a window in another what looks
to be kind of a cop looking squad in his
driveway there in Minneapolis, and then proceeds to leave on foot.

(19:36):
So it sounds like law enforcement. They're still trying to
determine if anybody else was driving him around or if
there's any other connections here. He also showed up at
a bank when he's wearing this cowboy hat, and the
FBI released that picture this weekend. But he showed up
at a bank at about nine am on Saturday, from
what we understand now, with the charges to empty out
his bank account and give a guy some money for

(19:58):
a buick he bought, and also an e bike to
get around. And it happened to be just an alert
person in green Isle who spotted him then. And this
is when the walls kind of closed in for him,
with a law enforcement stationed by his address in green Isle, Minnesota.

Speaker 1 (20:16):
An e bike, Wow, it certainly sounds like a criminal
master mind. Liz, thank you as always, I appreciate you
and your report, and come back soon.

Speaker 2 (20:29):
It's not funny, but an e bike.

Speaker 1 (20:33):
Certainly not going to get in a high speed pursuit anyway.
Quit it's not funny. It's not funny that our tea
levels are dropping either. Do you want to find yourself
purchasing an e bike one day?

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Speaker 2 (21:29):
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Speaker 1 (21:38):
Let's talk about the protests over the weekend or lack thereof.
Let's talk about the age of the protesters, because that's
something people were talking about. In fact, let's begin right
there with the age.

Speaker 2 (21:52):
I know several reporters.

Speaker 1 (21:53):
Who were on the ground with the different No Kings
protests attempted riots around the country. Almost every single friend
I had who was there remarked to me or remarks publicly.

Speaker 2 (22:06):
That it was old. The crowd was old.

Speaker 1 (22:10):
It was a bunch of senior citizens, it was a
bunch of well this.

Speaker 11 (22:15):
Yes, I just I just I'm just so scared. I'm
I'm seven, me four years old.

Speaker 3 (22:24):
I worry about everything.

Speaker 9 (22:27):
And I just I just I just I'm so scary and.

Speaker 11 (22:32):
Upset, and I don't and I don't understand why people
didn't voted.

Speaker 9 (22:40):
For this curse.

Speaker 1 (22:44):
Let's talk about that. In fact, let's let's just have
a little chat, shall we. You saw that. I saw that,
and it's unbelievably sad for a variety of reasons.

Speaker 2 (23:00):
But one of the things that really hits you.

Speaker 1 (23:02):
Is seventy four years old. Seventy four years old and
you're some completely insane nutjob crying on TV over things
that are true. How can this be? And you want
to know why you had that thought? Why I had
that thought? Because we have this image of what an

(23:25):
older person should be, us normal people, or maybe you
are an older person, we have this image of what
a seventy four year.

Speaker 2 (23:34):
Old woman should be.

Speaker 1 (23:36):
A seventy four year old woman should be a loving grandma.
She volunteers at the church, she bakes cookies, probably knits,
her house smells funny, but she's wonderful. That's how we
picture a seventy four year old woman. Or maybe you
are that seventy four year old woman. So when we
see a video of one like that, it begs the question, now,

(24:01):
why when you look at the protests, because hardly anybody
showed up, which we'll get to in a moment. But
when you look at the protests, all these people, legions
of old people, hardly any young people.

Speaker 2 (24:11):
How why what let.

Speaker 1 (24:12):
Me explain, Let me pause on this didn't explain. I
read a story a little while back. It wasn't important.
It certainly wasn't national news. I think it was out
of New Jersey, possibly New York. It was a mafia story.
And the story was some mafia guy had capped some
other mafia guy in.

Speaker 2 (24:29):
The head, shot him, killed him.

Speaker 1 (24:32):
And the guy who did the killing was late sixties,
I want to say, it was sixty eight years old.

Speaker 2 (24:37):
And it hit me then, sixty eight years old. It
should be a grandpa.

Speaker 1 (24:41):
You should be your grandson's Steve ball games and stuff
like that.

Speaker 2 (24:45):
You're shooting people on the head at sixty eight years old.

Speaker 1 (24:48):
But here's the thing about life and the way life works.
You see, you will choose a path in this life,
and if.

Speaker 2 (24:58):
You choose the wrong.

Speaker 1 (25:00):
Half, you you will actually get worse.

Speaker 2 (25:05):
The longer you're on it. You will lose more and
more of your mind and your soul.

Speaker 1 (25:12):
The longer you are on the bad path. Think about
it like alcohol. If I go out tonight, I take
the ear piece out of my ear and I have
I buy a whole bottle of whiskey, and I drink
a whole bottle of whiskey tonight. Oh, I won't be
here tomorrow. I'll be feeling rough, but won't at the

(25:34):
end of the world. Give me a day, some water,
some ibuprofen, and I'll recoverage just fine. But what if
I did that every single day for a year. What's
my health look like? It's my liver look like now?
Two years, now, three years, now, four years? What do
I look like? What do I physically look like after
twenty years of that? What do my organs look like

(25:56):
after twenty years of that?

Speaker 2 (25:59):
Now?

Speaker 1 (25:59):
Think about the average American Democrat who never breaks out
of the propaganda network they live in. We love to
point to young crazy democrats, these young communists, and we
talk about how crazy young people are, and these young
people are nuts. But the truth is that's a young
human being still figuring out who they are, what they believe,

(26:21):
what they want. Their mind is still developing, and that
young person, even the craziest of the crazy ones, can
still probably turn things around because they haven't been on
the path, the dark path of communism for so long.
But when you are a seventy four year old woman,
you've spent how many decades consuming CNN, reading The New

(26:44):
York Times, listening when Democrats call Republicans hitler, you think
to yourself that human beings should be settled and wise
and making cookie.

Speaker 2 (26:54):
For the grandkids.

Speaker 1 (26:55):
That human being, because they've been drinking that bottle of
whiskey for decade, is way more messed up than the
twenty year old.

Speaker 2 (27:03):
Could ever be, because.

Speaker 1 (27:04):
She got on a dark path and has been marching
down it. That's why these protests. It was mainly old people.

Speaker 2 (27:14):
You see.

Speaker 1 (27:15):
They couldn't really get it off the ground. They spent
allegedly two point one billion dollars, that's the number out there,
two point one billion dollars of money, some of it
taxpayer money, shelled out to different communist groups around the
United States of America because they wanted something gigantic. They

(27:35):
wanted something that would stop the presses. They wanted this
national blowout riot. That's what they actually wanted, but they
didn't get it. In fact, really the only people they
could get out there were the older people. Why didn't
they get it? Why did it fail? They brought in
all the heavy hitters, even communist John Denver.

Speaker 12 (27:59):
You are the community to this president's chaos, and together
we build a future of opportunity and justice for all.
Home over fear, aspiration over anger, the promise of America
for each and every American. That is what we are

(28:22):
fighting for today.

Speaker 1 (28:27):
So why didn't it pop off? Well, the thing about
riots whipping up the public into a mass frenzy. You
can do it sometimes, you can't do it all the time.
And if it turns out, if the cause turns out
to be a scam, you will have difficulty bringing out

(28:50):
the normies the next time you want to have one.
You see, that's what takes a riot from being some
fairly embarrassing little protests with communist John Denver, and to
be something that looks huge, that looks national. It's not
the communist agitators. You can always pay those freaks and
get them out into the streets. You need the normies
to participate. You need average normal American to turn through

(29:14):
the channels on the television and see protests and things.

Speaker 2 (29:17):
I want to get involved.

Speaker 1 (29:19):
You need normal American to get on Facebook or wherever
they are and say, oh my gosh, did you see
that they're protesting downtown.

Speaker 2 (29:26):
Let's go.

Speaker 1 (29:27):
But the reason the numbers weren't there is that normal
Americans stayed home. Why why did the normal Americans stay home?
Why can't the communists seem to whip people up into
a frenzy anymore? Two reasons, Two gigantic reasons. Covid and
George Floyd Covid. We watched, well, we watched a lot

(29:52):
of this.

Speaker 2 (29:53):
I want to be clear in how I characterize this.
This is mostly a protest. It is not It is
not generally speaking unruly.

Speaker 8 (30:02):
That ain't a riot what we're seeing right now in Minneapolis.

Speaker 13 (30:05):
Any reasonable person let's say, we shouldn't be destroying other
people's property.

Speaker 8 (30:08):
But these are not reasonable times.

Speaker 6 (30:10):
And please show me where it says that protests are
supposed to be polite and peaceful.

Speaker 4 (30:15):
The beautiful thing is we're seeing citizens who are carrying
and concern.

Speaker 3 (30:18):
They're hitting the streets.

Speaker 1 (30:19):
Heartwarming to see so many people turn out peacefully.

Speaker 3 (30:24):
You know, Brooke, I picked this is a march, really,
but as they're coming off, it's peaceful. They're saying peaceful
protests across the country.

Speaker 6 (30:33):
It's bringing people together, community with unity.

Speaker 8 (30:38):
People are risking COVID to explain to this country that
we're fed up.

Speaker 1 (30:46):
What happened was the American communist He turned on norm
and Noormy turned them into fellow rioters, fellow travelers, and
the American people, many of them, they took to the streets.
They participated, and communists created insanity. Whether it's the mania

(31:08):
around COVID. You better wear a mask, you can't come
to Thanksgiving. Maybe it's the Saint George Floyd's stuff. But
what happened was at the back end of all that,
Normy American not talking to you and me.

Speaker 2 (31:21):
You and me always knew the truth.

Speaker 1 (31:22):
Normy Americans sat at home. Their child's education had been destroyed.
They just had their fourth stroke at the age of
thirty five. They realized that taking Aunt Jemima off of
the pancake batter probably didn't do anything to solve the
problem of racism. Normy American looked around at the end

(31:43):
of Communist agitation, after Communist agitation, and they said to themselves,
I don't feel like these people were honest brokers. I
don't feel like the media, the Democrat Party I don't
feel like anything they're saying is true. The last time
I went along with these things, my country got melted
in front of me. Now, what's happened is Democrats have

(32:05):
reached the end of their current credibility. They make it
sum back one day, That's how it works. But as
of right now, the true crisis for the American media,
the true crisis for the American Democrat Party is a
credibility crisis. They took the last of the public trust

(32:25):
and they built a George Floyd's statue with it, and
now Normy stays at home when Randy wine Garden screeches
at them from the stage, it's wonderful.

Speaker 2 (32:38):
That too.

Speaker 1 (32:39):
May have made you uncomfortable, but I am right. Let's
talk about Iran and Israel with Steve Days. What's happening
over there? Is it simple or is it complicated? Next?

Speaker 2 (32:57):
Is this World War three?

Speaker 1 (32:59):
We haven't really touched on the Iran is reel thing
going on right now. And I'll tell you why foreign
policy is complicated. Everybody loves to make everything simple, but
foreign policy is the most complicated thing in the world.
Different parties, different countries, different interests, different than it just
it's never as simple as someone is making it out

(33:21):
to be. What is actually happening? And where might all
this go? Let's ask Steve about all this. Joining me now,
my friend Steve Dace, who on top of his show,
has a wonderful book out there right now called Richie
Meets the Rainbow. Highly recommend you picked that one up
for the old kiddos. All right, Steve, Israel appears to

(33:43):
be beating the living crap out of Iran.

Speaker 2 (33:45):
Is this World War three? Where's all this going? What
are we going to do? What are the players talk
about it? We don't know.

Speaker 9 (33:52):
I think what you just said a minute ago is
so vital, and I've been trying to express it to
my own audience in the last week or so.

Speaker 2 (33:58):
Jesse.

Speaker 9 (33:59):
I think even a lot of our our own people
that follow shows like ours, which are going to be
some of the more informed people in the country, probably
don't understand that. Most of the Arab Muslim world, and
I use that term on purpose, Iran is not an
Arab country. Most of the Arab Muslim world also does
not like Iran, also does not want Iran to have
a nuclear arsenal, maybe for different reasons than the Israelis.

(34:21):
But in this case, I think they're kind of fine
up to a point, you know, a letting. They're kind
of fine letting is Israel come in and fire Cousin Eddi.
The Grizzwold Clark doesn't want Cousin Eddi. That's kind of
Iran to the Arab world. They don't want Cousin Eddi
moving into the house either. Okay, they think he's weird too,
not necessarily fond of Israel. But they don't like Cousin
Eddi either. They just don't want to be seen as
firing Cousin Eddie because they're still both Griswold's see, let

(34:43):
a third party come in and maybe fire them instead.
And I think the devastating effect of this offensive preemptive strike,
it might be the most devastating preemptive strike the world
has seen, maybe since Blitzkrieg. I think that it is
so knocked the Iranians off kilter that I also think
maybe some other entities like Hisbola and others that might
have been wanting to try to capitalize on this, are like, oh,

(35:05):
that could be us next. Now, this will not be
an unlimited meter, however, that the Israelis have right. So
right now they have the upper hand. Right now they
are dictating terms. But there does come a point here
where the psychology, because this is also very complicated, the
psychology does change and alters. So far, the Israelis have
avoided a lot of mass civilian casualties. And I think

(35:25):
if you're whichever the two camps you're in, right that
we can't do any more stupid wars. So it's just
that simple camp or Israel is our friends, so we
had to do whatever they want us to do. It's
neither of those camps. Things are very simple for so
this is going to kind of determine that the law
of unintended consequences and what happens after this that we
cannot foresee is kind of going to determine I think

(35:48):
the nature of the US Israeli relationship moving forward. But
I think a lot of that are things that we
still don't know yet.

Speaker 1 (35:57):
Steve, one thing that I've found interesting, not necessarily surprising
for a lot of the reasons you just laid out,
but interesting is the lack of friends Iran apparently has
now that they're down. I mean, this is a country
that's conducted military drills with Russia and China. We know
there's all kinds of business that crosses borders back and
forth between all these countries. We know about how many

(36:20):
terrorist groups they sponsor, and all of a sudden Israel
takes out a few generals and Iran wakes up and
they're fresh out of friends. Is it just that everyone's
kind of done with the Ayatola?

Speaker 9 (36:31):
I think that's part of it for sure. You know
there's the old JFK saying, you know, victory has one
thousand fathers and defeat as an orphan. If there had
been scores of civilian casualties opening night Jesse, and if
this thing did not go off with the level of
precision in Panaje that it did, I think some of
those countries you just mentioned what have been more interested

(36:51):
in using this as a vehicle by which to get involved.
But again we still have the law of unintended consequences here.
I know that the followers of you and I are
watching big name people on both sides of this on
the right go at each other by name, tear each
other apart, calling each other various forms of trader All right,
but I just don't think things are as simple as
either one of the leaders of these respective camps seem

(37:13):
to think that they are. For example, China's not really
facing yet the full brunt of the fact that it
buys about eighty percent of Iran's for and oil that
it exports every year. Right, that's about twenty percent of
China's petro supply it gets from Erad. It's also in
the middle of a trade war with Donald Trump right now.
You know, the last time that China felt the squeeze
of a trade war and also was feeling economic hardship

(37:35):
with all the uprisings that were going on in Shanghai
and Hong Kong, they unleashed a virus on the rest
of the world. So the idea they're just going to
sit there and say, you know what, We're fine, you know,
having a twenty percent hit the supply chain, and therefore
the cost of oil becomes more prohibitive to us. I
don't think that's accurate. On the other hand, if you're
in the other group that said, well, if Israel ever
struck Iran, all these bricks nations would show up and

(37:56):
World War three would happen day one. We're on day
four of them, and that has yet to happen yet,
as you just said, I think though it is way
too early for either one of these sides to take
a victory lap. Who should take a victory lap or
the Israelis would they have pulled off here Again, it's
maybe the most devastating preemptive strike we have seen in
the history of modern warfare, and it is certainly reset
the board in the Middle East, but that board is

(38:18):
not settled yet.

Speaker 1 (38:21):
One thing I'm finding very very fascinating is Trump versus
some other powerful people in our government.

Speaker 2 (38:28):
Here was Lindsey Graham on the news.

Speaker 13 (38:30):
If diplomacy is not successful and weft with the option
of force, I would urge President Trump to go all
in to make sure that when this operation is over,
there's nothing left standing in Iran regarding their nuclear program.
If that means providing bombs, provide bombs, if that.

Speaker 2 (38:50):
Means flying, busting bombs, whatever.

Speaker 13 (38:52):
Bombs, If it means flying with Israel, fly with Israel.
The worst possible outcome for the world is to take
the Iranian nuclear program on and leave it standing.

Speaker 2 (39:04):
That will be a disaster.

Speaker 1 (39:07):
Well, it's no surprise to anybody that Lindsey Graham is
foaming at the mouth at least I think that was
phone coming out of his mouth about the whole thing.
But Trump seems to be out there still wanting to
make a deal. I guess it almost seems like these
two get crossways for him policy wise a lot.

Speaker 9 (39:24):
Well, you know what, I'm going to be like a
lot of Lindsay Graham's friends, and I'm going to go
both ways on this one. Jesse is there's part of
what Lindsay said that I do agree with, which is,
you cannot do this halfway, all right, This cannot be
Israel just does just the tip in Iran. That's not

(39:44):
going to work, all right, And that level of weakness
is what will then summon Iran's partners that right now
are also pretty shaken by the level of devastation and
precision they've seen from the Israelis. And so since this
amount of calculus was made by BB and the government
of Israel, then at this point I think they should
go all the way until whatever remnants are reachable of
the Iranian nuclear program. They will get no points later

(40:07):
for showing up and pulling out too prematurely. At this point,
finish the job is what I would urge. But where
I would disagree with Lindsay is if I were advising
President Trump whether you're getting the best of both worlds
right now?

Speaker 3 (40:20):
Right you are?

Speaker 9 (40:21):
I mean, we have had this dilemma that we've been
arguing on the right since Trump took office, right and
very high as I just said, very high profile thought
leaders on our side are arguing this out amongst themselves
vehemently right now, right we all agree on two things
we do not want any more stupid wars in the
Middle East, and Iran cannot have a nuclear weapon, and
so what is the possible way to accomplish one of

(40:41):
those without the other one. Well, to me, you're kind
of on a path of potentially accomplishing that right now.
Israel is willing to be the bad guy to me,
And at that point it doesn't cost Trump anything at all.
He's not risking any of the amount of capital which
is substantial and significant that he's built up in the
Middle East. And a lot of these Arab Muslim countries
are actually shooting down Irani and drones. Even Turkey is

(41:04):
shooting down Irani and drones as we speak. All right,
So at this point Trump has the best of both
worlds here. Israel is taking on the full brunt of
this in terms of culpability. At the same time, if
it works, Trump will be able to declare victory later,
and then if it doesn't, he'll be able to declaim
plausible deniability. I would urge him to actually stay on
that path. If Israel is willing to take on the
full brunt of responsibility for this, let them.

Speaker 2 (41:28):
Steve talk to me about Richie Meeting the Rainbow.

Speaker 9 (41:32):
Well, you know, we just had Father's Day, Jesse. You know,
I don't know if you'd notice. I'm sure you have.
Dads don't get to be the hero a lot in
our culture today, so I wanted to do something about
that with Richie Meets the Rainbow and a dad gets
to be the hero when his son comes home from
school after being attempted to be indoctrinated by the blue
haired training teacher that he's got in class. Except this
blue haired training teacher runs into something that is just

(41:55):
too scarce in our culture today a dad and dad's
steps in on behalf of his son. It rhymes like
Doctor Seuss and we make fun of evil, which it
hates the most at the same time we confront it.
So it's called Richie meets the Rainbow. You were kind
enough to give it an endorsement, brother, which I greatly appreciate.
It's available at Amazon right now. Richie Meets the Rainbow.

Speaker 1 (42:19):
Don't pick it up, people. I appreciate it. Appreciate you
very much, Steve, come back, brother. All right, it's boat
in the season. It's time for lighting the mood next.

(42:40):
All right, it is time to lighten the mood. And look,
there's just something amazing about boats. I don't know why
I love boats. I grew up always getting down by
the water, whether it was a friends swimming pool, an ocean,
a lake, a river, and I've always loved boats. I

(43:00):
love being on them, I love looking at them. I
go to this huge boat show that's down here in
Houston all the time. I'm never gonna buy one because
it's a huge waste of money, but I pretend every
single year. But there is a drawback to boats, and
I don't know what it is. I think it's something
inside of the human mind. Boats make people do dumb things.

(43:23):
I have done dumb things on boats. I've sunk a
boat in the middle of the Madison River in Montana
one time.

Speaker 2 (43:28):
In fact, as far as I.

Speaker 1 (43:29):
Know, it's still there, so it's time to lighten the
mood and be careful out there. Oh wow, ah, be careful,

(44:25):
I'll see it all. M hm h
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