November 16, 2024 • 43 mins
(Full Show) There are many priorities for a Republican-led government, but there's one that Jesse Kelly doesn't want to see overlooked and that's the family. Donald Trump and JD Vance ran on becoming a family-first party, so it's time to turn words into action. In this special, Jesse Kelly explains the importance of strong families and speaks with James Lindsay about how the nuclear family is under attack. Mike Cernovich and Abby Roth then join the show to discuss the things about family.
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
I know it's election season and it's this huge win
and taxes and spending and there's all kinds of things
going on in the government right now. I know all that,
and they are important things. I am not dismissive of
anything that's happening. It's fun, it's good, it's exciting. I'm watching,
you're watching. But let's remember that's what the special is about,
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remembering what is important and what will save us in
the long run. You see, if you have a brain tumor,
God forbid, but if you have a brain tumor and
the brain tumor grows to a big enough size, you
are going to begin getting headaches. Obviously, have a big
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mass growing and a brand, you're going to begin getting headaches.
And headaches suck. I'm not dismissive of headaches. And you
can take things to get the pain gone, but that
doesn't actually save you in the long run. In the
long run, headache or not, you have to remove the tumor.
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We have elections, and elections do matter. I'm not dismissive
of them. In the same way I'm not dismissive of
the headache. It's good find that we have a sane administration.
We'll get better here and better there, and these things
do matter. But in the long run, it's not this
politician or that politician, or this bill or that border
wall that can and will save this country. In the
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long run. What will save this country is the same
thing that has saved many a country and ruined many
a country. Strong nuclear families or the lack thereof nuclear families.
A man and a woman getting married, making babies, raising
those babies together. It sounds almost like an eye rolling thing. Oh,
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you old fogey, open up a history book. Long before
there was the United States of America, Leaders of nations
have noticed and known that they need strong family units
because they are the building block of a society. I
could go through a bunch of statistics here. One in
four American children are fatherless. Did you know that. That's
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eighteen million kids. Did you know single parent homes? Well,
the kids are forty three percent less likely to get a's.
If you have a single parent home, your child is
twenty times more likely to go to jail. We have
a family unit problem, and let's just le's talk about
that for a moment. Why why is it a problem? Well,
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you are made by God to have a mother and
a father, and I realize that's not everyone's situation. If
it's not your situation, I'm not judging, of course, but
we are all made to be raised by a mother
and a father. That's how we're made. We need both.
We need mom, we need that, we need both, and
when you have both that it puts together the right
pieces in you you that will send you out into
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the world and make you better at everything. This is
why it's so good for a country. It's not just
that you will grow up and be a better husband
or wife yourself, a better parent yourself, although you will,
and that again it continues on. You will be a
better employee, more stable, You will be a better citizen
to your country, more reliable, not in jail, not getting
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fs not. Nuclear families are the building block of any society.
It sounds crazy, but one of the most patriotic things
you can do for you young people watching. Find somebody
and marry them, and stay married, and make some babies
with them and raise them with love. It's one of
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the best ways you can serve your country. That's a fact.
And it's not an accident that nuclear families have been wrecked.
So badly in this country. This is something that communists
have done since the Soviet Union Union was famous for it.
Maos China was famous for it. The Stasi and East
Germany were famous for it, famous for infiltrating and breaking
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up families. They would do things to turn husbands against wives,
mothers against their own children. Children would go turn in
their parents to the secret police. It sounds crazy, but
it happens. They want to break up the family because
they understand stable normal people will never embrace the sickness
of communism. That's why they turn turbo freaks like this
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loose on your children.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
How am I going to explain trans people to my kids? Well,
I am a TA in kindergarten class and I explained
it to them today. So people were wondering if I
was a boy or a girl, and so they asked me.
One of the kids said, Bernie, are you a boy
or girl? And I said that's a great question. I'm
kind of in between. And he was like, what, No,
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are you a boy or a girl? And I was like, well,
are you a boy or a girl? And he's like,
I'm a boy and what do you think list is?
I think lite's a girl? Cool. So some people are boys,
some people are girls, and some people can be in between,
or they can be neither. Most people are boys or girls,
and sometimes people switch from one to the other.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
What you mean I could be a girl.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Yeah, you could be a girl if you wanted to
right now. Yeah, if you wanted to, you could say
I'm a girl. And if you wanted, I could call
you by a different name and call you she. And
he was like, but I don't want to be a girl.
And I said, that's great. That means you're a boy,
and I'll call you by your name and use heat.
And he said, Okay.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
You can laugh and roll your eyes, you can scream,
but understand that vile little street animal is on a
mission to break up families. That's what all that stuff's
all about. It's about breaking children away from their parents,
shattering the nuclear family, creating an angst ridden disaster of
a human being who will vote Communist the rest of
its life. It's a fact. Don't fall for it, don't
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go for it, and understand this. Democrats understand who their
enemy is. They understand full well. Remember when Kamala Harris
at her rally, people were yelling Jesus is King, Jesus
is Lord. Remember what she said to them. You're at
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the wrong rally. The people who hate this country. You
know what they fear, the most strong nuclear families who
go to church on Sunday. All that may have made
you uncomfortable, but I am right. We have such an
amazing show for you. Hang on.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
And frankly, I voted Kamala Harris and I started crying
as I was voting. She will bring us forward, she
will turn the.
Speaker 5 (07:14):
Page against this divisive, cruelty and Rhetorican evil.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
I'm sorry, I can't stop making fun of these dirty comedies.
I'm enjoying myself right now. I know James probably is too.
Joining me now. My friend James Lindsay, founder of New
Discourses dot com. His latest book, The Queering of the
American Child, is one every single parent must pick off.
Let me tell you that, James. I'm sorry. I know
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I'm a bad person, but these tears, I just can't.
I can't. I can't stop enjoying them.
Speaker 6 (07:49):
Yeah, you know, I'm a little torn on that. But
when it's these high profile people definitely enjoying them, these
people on the TV, these people like Randy Winingarten, that
are running teachers unions and driving our country into the ground.
But I suspect Randy's tears are fake. I think that
was pretend we can say Communism's are religion, but I
don't even know. I think she actually might be so
craven that she doesn't even believe her own religion than
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just does evil because she likes to.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Yeah, I guess I should clarify. I feel the exact
same way. I actually have more mercy than people think
for the street animals, because they're dumb or mentally challenged,
and they've been lied to repeatedly, and so they actually
are sad and they've gone insane. But evil monsters like that,
they're not sad. They know everything they say is lies,
and they manipulate the dumb people in our society. And
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I really, really I think they're evil, not bad, deeply evil.
Speaker 7 (08:41):
James, Yeah, I totally agree.
Speaker 6 (08:43):
Like the last at least eight years, for certain, but
more than that, longer than that, we have been subjected
to an unbelievable, deliberate propaganda campaign designed to drive the
American people crazy. We could actually go back a little
further to twenty twelve. President Obama modernized as they call
it the Smith Munt Act.
Speaker 7 (09:04):
The Smith Mund Act goes back to just after World War.
Speaker 6 (09:07):
Two and it prohibited the intelligence communities and the federal
government from using our media apparatus to propagandize American citizens.
And they modernized it for social media in twenty twelve
under Obama's direction, and whoops removed that part about not
being allowed to propagandize the American people. And so we've
been subject to communist government propaganda since at least twenty
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thirteen in this country, and it has driven people to
Trump derangement syndrome, to COVID derangement, to all of these
identity politics and sanity that we've seen for the last
several years that are tearing our country apart. And it's
important that we get to a place where we can
turn the propaganda machine, the propaganda death star. We can
turn that thing off and then free the American people.
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And we'll see a lot of these dumb, misled, sad
street animals come back to come back to the fold.
And I think that that's the right view to have, James.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
It's not uncommon at all right now to see, especially
on social media, you'll have one of these people bragging
about how they just done invited mom to Thanksgiving, they've
caught off all ties with their father at a heartbreaking
Ashley email to my show about a father whose daughter
disowned the family and left the group chat over the
whole thing. People don't realize that this is very purposeful
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that Communists wedge themselves into the family. They don't know
about the things that Stazi used to do, that Mao
used to do. They don't know the Communists break up
families on purpose. It's not a whoopsie. They do this
on purpose.
Speaker 6 (10:35):
That's right, and more broadly, not to take away attention
from the dirty commedies who deserve the attention here. But
this is cult behavior. So even if you're still out
there somehow listening to Jesse Kelly and on the fence
about whether or not this is communism, you cannot be
on the fence about whether or not this is a cult.
And Communism is the largest, most destructive death cult the
humans have ever created, capturing the lives of over a
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billion people, destroying and I mean literally murdering somewhere in
the neighborhood of one hundred to two hundred million people
over the last century. Communism is a cult, and so
it has to separate people from their families to what
they call to establish what's called milu control. They have
to separate people from their families so they'll forget who
they are and will see themselves only through the communist
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ideology and its application through the state.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
That's the same reason they love to tear down statues
and renamed streets as well. On a larger level, the
same reason it's about erasing your history, unmooring you from
your past, so they can write your future.
Speaker 6 (11:36):
You might say, it's about being able to see what
can be, unburdened by what has been. Is actually the
beating heart of the communist project. And yeah, renaming streets,
tear dame statues, tearing you apart from your family. Not
only are these communists bread and butter, going back to
the Bolsheviks and Russia into the Chinese, the PRC in China.
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When we look at the Chinese case, what mal Zeidong
did during the cult, you had young people.
Speaker 7 (12:01):
Renaming themselves with new revolutionary names.
Speaker 6 (12:03):
It's exactly like the trans phenomenon, people giving themselves new
names with their old dead name. You had statues coming down,
you had streets being renamed to revolutionary terms, and the
whole idea was to tear down all of the like
you said, all of the mooring, all of the tethering
to the old society, so that all that there was
for young people was the Communist vision for what was
coming for their lives in the future. And they would
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get these kids whipped up on this, thinking that their
lives were going to be great once they destroyed all
of their class enemies, including their parents who had to
be denounced, including their grandparents, their teachers, their religions, everything
in society that existed had to be torn.
Speaker 7 (12:39):
Apart and destroyed.
Speaker 6 (12:41):
And for about two years there was mayhem in China
sixty six to sixty eight while the young people the
Red Guard went wild doing this until Mao got his
power back and then kicked them all out to the
countryside to live in misery and die.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
You know what couldn't happen to better kids, I'll tell
you that much. Okay, the trans stuff, it almost seems
that maybe maybe I'm wrong on this, and almost feels
like we kind of hit a bottom in our society
on this. Please pardon the pun with that, but it
feels like we've reached a stopping point there where it
was it went so far, it got so in your face,
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it got so gross to the American people said no,
but the American people don't really understand what that was about.
What was it about.
Speaker 7 (13:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (13:27):
So one of the things that I'm most proud of
is in twenty nineteen, so way back five years ago.
Last month, I predicted that if they ever went fully
public with the trans stuff and the queer theory, that
it would be their undoing, and it appears to have
been that. I think that that was the primary mover
for a lot of people who voted for Trump, and
especially a lot of new voters for Trump, who are
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abandoning the Democratic Party and voting Republican for the first
time in their lives. And what they don't understand still,
and I guess this is a mission for me to
try to educate them, is that queer theory is directly
a derivative of Marxism. It's not just about finding out
who you really are. It's about adopting an intentionally oppositional
politics that is oriented against anything being considered normal or
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legitimate unless the cult itself approves it, and it uses
a Marxist line of division that certain people consider themselves
to be normal, so they're privileged, and other people are
not considered normal, so they're oppressed by the idea of
normalcy and legitimacy themselves. And so they take upon this
idea that they can transform their sex, transform who they are,
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rename themselves as a usually to make themselves extremely ugly
or scary or something, or to enact sexual fetishism, whatever else,
as a way to disrupt normal society intentionally. It's not
just about having brainwashed and created social pressures or social
contagions for kids. It is a deliberate attempt to destabilize children,
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to turn them into a revolutionary class that will tear
apart society.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
All right, so we know why communists destroyed, children destroy families.
How do we without getting the government freaking involves because
they'll screw it up? How do we encourage families going forward? James, mothers, fathers.
How do we strengthen families so we never have to
get a text message from our daughter that she's on
inviting us from Thanksgiving? How do we do this?
Speaker 6 (15:20):
You know, honestly, and I know this is a big
theme that resonates with you that we got in this
mess because a lot of people were comfortable enough to
live their lives on autopilot. People have been parenting on autopilot.
They've been just assuming that it's absolutely natural, for example,
to send your kids to government run schools, running government
programming with not really to even know what's going on
with that government programming, and just trust your kids with
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the government for you know, forty hours a week. This
is all kind of got to change. It's got to
be no more parenting on autopilot. Let's get intentional parenting.
And when you get your mindset right about this, this
is actually not this you know, burden that the left
has led us to think that interacting with your family,
having children, doing things with them, getting to know them,
spending intentional time with them is sometimes somehow a burden
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from your the better part of the rest of your life. Now,
this is a very enriching phenomenon. And you talk to
most conservatives, they understand they spend a lot of time
with their family. They enrich that time with their family.
So what parents need to be doing is a protecting
their children from the schoolst large public, especially private also,
but they also need to be spending a lot of
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intentional time with them, teaching them about the road that
they're going to walk, which is filled with this kind
of garbage that the kids are going to have to navigate.
They should not hear about this stuff for the first
time from their friends or on social media even worse,
and parents are going to have to be very intentional.
Spend time, make sure your kids know, absolutely know that
you love them and that they can come to you
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with anything that they see at their school or whatever
that is inappropriate that says to keep secrets from their
parents and build that relationship. Spend time, get to know
your kids, have family dinners, all the stuff that makes
a family a family. Start doing it again, and that's
going to be the number one protection is to stop
parenting on autopilot and get very involved. Whether it's your
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kids everyday lives, their friends, groups, their religion, take them
to church, do church as a family every Sunday. It
doesn't really even matter if you're that religious. To find
a good church teaching good values and go together as
a family churches or places where people are trying to
become better people on purpose in and of themselves, and
it's a very pro family environment, So I encourage that,
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and it doesn't matter. Also, if it's their educational environment,
get very involved all the way to the point if
you can of homeschooling, you get very involved in your
kid's educational process.
Speaker 7 (17:40):
No more autopilot.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
Oh. I would encourage the ladies out there, if you
so desire, consider substitute teaching in your child's school. My
wife does that and it has gotten her intimately more
involved in their education, what they're learning, the administration, the
problems that may come. James, you are the man. My
brother appreciates you as always. All Right, we're not done yet.
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Cernovich is going to join us next.
Speaker 8 (18:21):
I want us as a Republican party to be pro
family in the fullest sense of the word. I want
us to support fertility treatments. I want us to make
it easier for moms to afford to have babies. I
want it to make it easier for young families to
afford a home so they can afford a place to
raise that family. And I think there's so much that
we can do on the public policy front just to
give women more options.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
I like it. I like hearing the GOP start to
talk this way, because family is everything. So much more
important than party or anything else. Do you want to
save a country, save the American family? Joining me now,
my friend Mike Cernovitch, who talks about this stuff a
lot author filmmakers. Go subscribe to his substack, which is outstanding.
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I should note, Mike, I like that the Republican Party,
as many problems as I have with it, as finally
starting to get bolder about speaking about family and the
importance of it. It's a relief to me.
Speaker 5 (19:19):
Yeah, they used to talk, they used to talk about it,
and then suddenly it didn't become an issue. Right James
Dobson focus on the family, even if he was at
the time way too conservative for me. But now I
look back and think maybe those maybe those fundies had
a point because a lot of the stuff that they
would talk about and you would dismiss, especially when you're younger,
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came to fruition. So yeah, it used to be focused
on the family. Everything was about family values, and then
it became about tax cuts a couple couple percentages here
or there, which is great. I'll take a tax cut,
but getting people to believe in your political party is
very difficult when that is your sole messaging to people is, hey,
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we'll save you five percent this year. But again, I'll
take I don't want some idiot to chop this up
and say, oh, you know, bro, you like high taxes.
But it obviously wasn't doing the job.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
Mike, Why did we become the party of tax cuts?
How did that happen? And again I'm with Mike, please
don't raise my taxes. Like I'm all about the tax cuts.
But why did we ever get away from it? What
happened that pushed us away from it?
Speaker 5 (20:30):
It was definitely the chamber of commerce Republicans. That's what
brought in open borders. That's what brought in cheap labor.
Mitt Romney, Bank Capital, Paul Ryan loses Wisconsin when he
runs his VP. Trump wins Wisconsin twice, maybe three times,
depending on who you talk to. They, of course, Republicans
lose twice to Obama, which shouldn't have been difficult. Should
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have been a difficult victory to obtain that. Yeah, we
allowed the corporate side to control and dictate policy. And
if you're the corporate side, or if you're these Republican senators,
you don't mind losing because the money's still good. You're
playing both sides you're getting like the vig right, sort
of like those when people gamble.
Speaker 4 (21:13):
The real winners aren't the people who win the bet.
Speaker 5 (21:15):
The real winner is always a house, right, You're working that,
and that was what the Republican Party largely was and
was going to continue to be, because if Trump had
won in twenty sixteen, I was laugh at these alternative
histories where they said, well, now, of course they looks
stupid because Trump won the popular vote. But people need
to remember that we're being told as early as a
year or two ago. Gosh, it's too bad that Hillary
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didn't win in twenty sixteen, because then in twenty twenty
they would have had Paul Ryan or some of great
Republican won in twenty twenty, when in fact, it would
have been the end of the Republican Party as.
Speaker 4 (21:49):
We know it.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
Could you imagine four years of Paul Ryan, How freaking
worthless we would be? Mike, why are families the building
block of country? I mean, I've put it in my
own words already on this show, but what is it
about a nuclear family that makes an entire country better?
I mean, it's been said. I'm not the first one
to say it, of course, but the most patriotic thing
you can do is go marry somebody and stay married
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and make a bunch of babies and be there and
raise your family.
Speaker 4 (22:16):
But why, Well, it's an investment in the future.
Speaker 5 (22:20):
The question is why goes into religion or a meaning
of life issue that a lot of people don't realize
until they're there, right you think? I remember when I
have a first kid. We had a picture. My wife
kind of took a picture because I was a little
punch drunk. It was an interesting moment, but I'd also thought,
what the world have you gotten yourself into?
Speaker 4 (22:41):
Everything was pretty easy in your life.
Speaker 5 (22:42):
So I think that goes to the trend of how
the Republican Party lost touch with family. Is a lot
of people, myself included, I don't pretend to be above
these failings, had an extended adolescence.
Speaker 4 (22:55):
You see that a lot where there's an.
Speaker 5 (22:58):
Emphasis on fun. Oh that's fun, and everything's fun. Everything's
about fun. But eventually the men, the men are gonna
hit the wall too, where nothing is really fun anymore.
And then you're at home alone and people people like
to carpetrure with jdv And said about cat ladies, and
of course he didn't say what it was reported. But
there is a type of a cat man too, and
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it's a bit more of a bleak outcome for men
because women are more social. So the man, I'm gonna
have fun, I'm gonna enjoy my life. I'm gonna listen
to all these red pill podcasts and talk about how women,
you know, shouldn't vote, and you know, we hate the
women and everything, and that's that's kind of cool when
you're in your thirties.
Speaker 4 (23:38):
Maybe, I mean, I don't think. I don't think it's cool,
but you can get away with it. But you're gonna
hit the wall too. Man, you're gonna be You're gonna
be a cat man too.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Yeah. And and men are choosing this a lot now, Mike,
And I hate it because you you mentioned something that
I've really really noticed a lot. Maybe it's picking up.
Maybe I'm just getting older, and I noticed that more
and a lot of young men who are very understandably despondent.
They're angry, their their life isn't what they wanted to be.
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They've really checked out on the whole family thing. I
hate women. I hate when women suck, and so they
don't desire a family. A lot of young people are shocking.
The high percentage of young people don't want to get married,
they don't want to have kids. It's just misery to them.
And it saddens me more than anything. Like how many
miserable men we have.
Speaker 5 (24:29):
Is a part of the meaning crisis or the spiritual crisis,
or the virtue crisis, depending on how people want to
describe it.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
But I heard a great speaking of kids. That was
the boy. That was the boy.
Speaker 5 (24:42):
So speaking of what she just invaded there, there's a
great omily I heard from Father Sarah from Rose and
he's an Orthodox monk and he might be a saint
at some point in time, but he great this. He
gave this great omily on fun and how and it
convicted me.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
This isn't me convicting. It convicted me.
Speaker 5 (25:02):
Where it said that a hundred years ago you would
have sounded like a very silly person, especially as a man,
when all you talk about is fun. That's fun, that
sounds fun. When did we get this Western spiritual condition
where our life didn't become about virtue or duty or obligation,
but it's all about how much.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
Fun can we have?
Speaker 5 (25:24):
And that that's trickled downstream, which is, hey, I'm a
man and I want to have fun, and I'm not.
I'm not here to say don't enjoy life. I would
say I enjoy life, you know, probably more than a
lot of people. But I heard that, and I felt
so convicted my heart, and I even thought, I want
to eliminate the term fun at least when I talk
about myself from my vocabulary. I don't want to hear, oh, hey, hey,
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you know, go talk to Jesse. It'll be fun.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
I sure it is.
Speaker 5 (25:49):
I you know, this is this is fun to me.
But I try not to think of that way at all.
And I realized, yeah, we were, whether we knew it
or not, this childish mindset had trickled down to us,
and we had rejected any kind of Roman understanding of virtue,
of strength, of purpose, of shouldering a burden. Again, myself included,
I want to just yell at the young guys, right,
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that's not it at all.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
I was certainly there.
Speaker 5 (26:13):
And once you're living just for fun, you would see
children as a interruption of the parties. So it's easy
for men on these redicill podcasts to say a woman
got an abortion because she wanted to keep partying. It's like, well,
who fornicated with her?
Speaker 1 (26:28):
Right?
Speaker 4 (26:28):
Who got her pregnant?
Speaker 5 (26:29):
Some guy you know who just wants to have fun
and he want to have a kid either, he probably
told her to get one, and half the time he
probably even paid for it. So why is it all
the time we're just talking about women and how they're
not taking accountability for anything. But you don't realize that
the man mind has been infected with this childishness and
this obsession with everything has to be entertaining and everything
has to be fun.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
Yeah, it's true, it really is. Mike. You talk a
lot about you know, to raise kids, you have to
raise yourself. What are you talking about?
Speaker 5 (27:02):
So something that I found influential in our parenting and
homeschooling with Charlotte Mason. There's all these principles of the
Charlotte Mason pedagogy, and you know, one of them is
that you treat children as a whole being, that children
aren't little things, at least what I was treated as
a kid. Children should be seen, not her, But children
are actually people. They are little people at different stages
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of development. And then you want to think of am
I treating my child like a person, like a whole person,
like a real person, And most of us would realize
that if you treated your friends the way you treat
your kids sometimes, if you treated yourself the way you
treat you the kids, sometimes it wouldn't really stand up,
It wouldn't really make a lot of sense, and that
wouldn't even necessarily be effective. And then as you go
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deeper into that, you think, why am I mad at
my kid? Well, I'm mad at my kid because I
feel a loss of control. Well why do I feel
a loss of control? And then why is it that
feeling a loss of control should upset me? Why should
why should I care? And then why should I have
this emotional state internalized and then externalize it to those
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people around me? Because that doesn't work in your marriage,
so why would that work with children? So you realize
that your children are shining a mirror onto you. Right,
there's a quote, no, no man is a hero to
his butler, No man is a hero to his valet,
the implication being that somebody who is with you all
the time maybe doesn't buy the hype the way people
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who see you only in your highlight real moments would
do it. And of course, with children, you're kind of
their hero at a certain age, although that changes. But
what I found with children is that they, you know,
they they're a mirrorund you. So one example that's kind
of stupid, but I remember my kid would come up
and be like, hey, yah, let's get some chocolate and
the fridge and I pause of it and I go, well, no, you,
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you don't need any more chocolate.
Speaker 4 (28:50):
And I thought, I don't need any more chocolate.
Speaker 5 (28:52):
The kid just knows to follow me to the fridge
to get a little seized can or a piece of chocolate. Right,
So there's these thousand different ways. Is that they're showing
you who you are because you go through life in
an automatic pattern and you're realizing, oh, they're they're showing
me that part of myself where they're showing me that
how but I didn't realize that. I wasn't even conscious
of that. I was running on an autopilot. And then
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you realize that most of the time you're upset with
your kids, it isn't that they've done some irredeemable sin
that really, you know, because as a father you sometimes
have to lay down the law. Everybody knows that we're
not we're not denying that. But sometimes you realize, you know,
I'm just in a bad mood. I'm just in a
bad mood, and this has nothing to do with my kids.
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So I need to figure out, like why am in
a bad mood? And why am I going to let
my emotional state dictate how I even feel right now,
let alone how I parents. So there's this constant feedback
mechanism happening as you raise children in a way that
is very intense, and I think that that's why people
find parenting challenging. Is the work is the work, you know,
but oh well, you miss some sleep. The work is
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the work, it's the emotional realization, especially for people who
have never because they amin themselves or try to improve themselves,
you realize that it is a raw nerve if you're
not conscious and.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Aware of it, no doubt about it, you know, And
it's hard to be human in front of him. I
snapped at mind the other day just because I was
in a bad mood. Had to go home and apologize
to him that night and own the whole thing. Freaking sucked. Mike,
you are the man, of course, thank you, my brother.
All right, I'd be roth. That's going to join us
talk a bit about motherhood.
Speaker 9 (30:27):
Next, we will promote positive education about the nuclear family,
the roles of mothers and fathers, and celebrating rather than
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erasing the things that make men and women different and unique.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
I am liking a lot of what I'm seeing. But remember,
like we've talked about in the open families, the nuclear family,
men and women getting married and making babies. That is
the building block of every single society. But how how
do we move forward? How do we get back to that?
Joining me now, Abby Roth, creator of the first generation,
She's also a stay at home mom. Obviously, Abby's joined
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us many times before. Okay, Abby, Obviously we don't want
the government and the business of family because the government
just screws up everything the government's involved in. However, it
would be naive to think governments can't at least encourage
people one way or the other. What do we want
what do we not want out of the government when
it comes to families.
Speaker 10 (31:40):
I mean, it's always so important to encourage family, strong families.
I mean, that's the basis of civilization, it's the basis
of good societies. Having a mom and a dad at home,
it lowers crime rates, It means there's less anxiety in
young children if you have stay at home moms with
their children for the first three years. Encouraging strong families
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is what's going to lead to a stronger a stronger America,
and so having a president being a big proponent of
that and being a proponent of the differences between men
and women is incredible. Should government be incredibly involved in families?
Speaker 7 (32:18):
No?
Speaker 3 (32:19):
Should government also be big proponents of families.
Speaker 10 (32:22):
Yes, And we should have traditional families being at the
forefront of all of this, right, because traditional families are
what create strong children and create great members of society.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
Abby, you've mentioned the anxiety thing. I want you to
talk about that a little bit more. I'm sure you
didn't know where you were going to go there. I
didn't know where you were going to go there, either,
But it's true. My wife's been hot on this for
a while. Wells that people think, you know, with kids,
especially when they're super young from zero to three, that
maybe what's happening is not having a big impact because
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their brains are good and still spreading food all over
their eyes, and you think to yourself, well, I'm not
even really here for anything but clean up. But it
actually has a big impact on the rest of their lives,
doesn't it.
Speaker 10 (33:10):
This is something that drives me a little crazy. I
was at an event with a bunch of women and
they were saying, you know, it's really not important to
be with your kids in those early years. Those early years,
as someone in a daycare can do just as much
as you can. It's more important to be available in
the later years.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
And I was sitting there thinking.
Speaker 10 (33:28):
You mean, the most important time for a child's brains formation,
we should not be involved.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
It's a crazy concept.
Speaker 10 (33:38):
Erica Kamassar's book Being There really goes into this whole
idea that those first three years are when a child's
brain and neural connections are developed, and as parents, it's
our responsibility to give our children the best basis to
be whole human beings that we can, and when mothers
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are present in those first three years, we see a
way lower anxiety rate. I mean, I think the most
interesting element in Erica Kamassar's book that stood out.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
To me was the idea that there are genetic.
Speaker 10 (34:10):
Kind of things that are in little babies and those
will not present if mothers are there with their children
because anxiety is what causes those to express themselves, those
genetic problems to express themselves. Those anxieties are lowered when
babies are with their mothers, and so those genetic things
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don't end up expressing.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
And if the child is in a daycare or is
constantly separated from.
Speaker 10 (34:38):
Mom, those genetic problems will express. And that's how you
have a whole anxious, anxious generation, right because you've got
children who are not being or not being raised by
mom and dad in those early years. They're really being
put in daycares from the time they're six weeks old,
twelve weeks old and being fourced to deal with hours
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and hours of separation from their primary caregivers from an
age that they cannot comprehend or understand what's happening to them.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
You have an article, it's a very good article in
the Daily Wire talking about why women voted for Trump.
I mean, everyone remembers the election we just had. In
the lead up to it, every single ad was something
about how women are in danger, women are gonna die, women, women, women.
The entire basis around the Democrat campaign was centered around women.
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And then women other than the young single ones went
out and voted for Donald Trump. Why it.
Speaker 10 (35:40):
Honestly, I thought it was so funny the ad campaigns.
It was there were two ad campaigns going on. One
was you're a woman, so you have to vote for
a woman, and the second thing was your rights are
on the line, and if you don't vote for Kamala Harris,
then you are against women. And women are not someceless
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horde that can just be driven into the ground by
stupid by stupid sayings like that, we're not going to
just all vote as one because you told us that
we are women and so we have to vote for
a woman, or because Donald Trump is Satan incarnate.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
And so we have to vote for the other side. No,
women are individuals.
Speaker 10 (36:20):
And so we looked at, honestly, I think our grocery bills.
Speaker 3 (36:24):
We looked at, you know.
Speaker 10 (36:26):
The problems with the border and a legal immigration and
all the crime that has resulted. We looked at our
children being put in danger because of all of the
policies around transgenderism. And we looked at abortion and we
realized that this is a crazy notion to say that
we should have abortion up until the ninth month because
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our daughters deserve a future.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
What about the daughters and our wounds.
Speaker 10 (36:51):
I think a lot of women were thinking, I would
like my child to be born, not I would like
my four year old to have the right to abort
their child when they're twenty eight. Like it's it was all,
I think, just terrible messaging. And I think women voted
on the things that mattered to them, and so they
looked at the options Kamala Harris terrible candidate who happens
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to be a woman. And we looked at Donald Trump,
who did a great job last time he was in office,
and my grocery bill wasn't twice what it is now.
Speaker 3 (37:21):
And they voted. They voted for the person who made sense.
Speaker 10 (37:24):
They didn't vote for someone just because it was a
meme or a punchline.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
Abby a lot of people. I just saw a recent
study that was one in four. That number is so
shocking the high. A lot of people were talking. Younger
people were talking about how they don't want kids for
financial reasons. Now, it's very easy for someone like you
or I already established with kids, to say that's crazy.
You just have them anyway. And of course that would
be my message. Go make as many babies as you can.
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You might even enjoy yourself. But for young people looking
at the finances right, it doesn't pencil out. Again, they
are freaking expensive. Those little bugger by suns at a
dozen eggs in two days this weekend. What do you
say to those people?
Speaker 10 (38:05):
Well, I think there's, you know, the thing I would
say to people, and also the actual data on the ground.
So the truth is that most people are not making
fundamental decisions about their family size based on their financials.
There have been a lot of economic incentives for people
to have more children, and when those economic incentives come
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into play, there's initially a baby boom, but it peters
out and it ends up balancing, and basically what it
does is it encourages people to have children sooner, but
it doesn't encourage them to.
Speaker 3 (38:40):
Have more children.
Speaker 10 (38:42):
So I don't think this argument about people having less
children because of the financials and their finances is actually accurate.
Speaker 3 (38:50):
Most people are going to.
Speaker 10 (38:51):
Have the amount of children they would like to have
because that's their value set, that's what they want.
Speaker 3 (38:57):
So I think the real question is how do we
convince young people.
Speaker 10 (39:00):
That financially but that's going to There are elements, of course,
that you have to think about when it comes to
the financials of having children. But I think that's what's
even more important, important than that, is instilling the values
of why children are so wonderful, and not only from like, yes,
it's going to make.
Speaker 3 (39:17):
Your life better.
Speaker 10 (39:18):
Yes, it's just the most incredible thing you can do
as a stay at home mom with two kids who
wants five or six, Like I'm the biggest proponent of that.
But it's also good for societies. I think we've been
raised in a world that tells people that having children
is bad for the world, right, climate change and all
these things like having babies is bad.
Speaker 3 (39:38):
Actually we're an.
Speaker 10 (39:39):
Incredible baby bust right now, which is horrible for like.
Speaker 3 (39:43):
Our economies for.
Speaker 10 (39:46):
Really a whole number of reasons that's going to just
not end up panning out well. So having children is
good now from the perspective of financials. I know so
many people who, because they know the importance of having children,
are willing to live with less. And I think that's
really the hardest thing to get across to people is
what you think is a fundamental necessity or baseline is
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actually much more than people have ever had in history,
And so you don't necessarily need two brand new cars.
You don't necessarily need to get coffee every morning from Starbucks.
Speaker 4 (40:21):
Like there are.
Speaker 10 (40:21):
Things that you don't need that you will you know,
it will pay dividends having children, because children are so
much more important than that Starbucks frappuccino that you are craving. Like,
having that child is going to make more sense in
the long run because even outside of the financials, right,
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if you don't have children and you're in your sixties, seventies, eighties,
who is.
Speaker 3 (40:46):
Going to take care of you when you're older? You
are going to be alone?
Speaker 10 (40:49):
And there is something so beautiful, beautiful in the life
cycle where your children you take care of them and
then they take care of you.
Speaker 3 (40:56):
So I could go out and on about it, but
I won't.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
I'm not going to hold you back. Starbucks isn't even
very good anyway. The breakfast options are just awful. They
have these little sandwiches and there's never any sauce or
anything like that with the sandwiches. I don't even like Starbucks. Abby,
thank you so much. I appreciate it as always. We'll
be back, Okay. I know this is a conversation that
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gets uncomfortable when we have these specials and we talk
about families, and I understand why it gets uncomfortable people
who who don't necessarily have that, or it's not in
the cards for them, or something they feel judged. Well,
I don't have that, Jesse. I'm a single mom. There's
no judgment here. We're talking about how to build a
nation and where we want to go as a nation.
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And where we want to go as a nation is
a nation of strong nuclear families. If the United States
of America, if you told me fifty years from now,
we would have more nuclear families that are together and
strong than we do now. I don't need to know
anything else about what's going on fifty years from now.
I don't need to know about the debt, or the
border or anything else that alone would tell me are
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we going to be okay or not. And if you
told me fifty years so now we had fewer nuclear
families than we have today, more broken homes, then I
don't need to know anything else. I don't need to
know who's president, which party. I don't need to know
anything else. I know we will be worse off. Let's
be purposeful about this. Let's talk to our children about this. Mate,
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Let's make sure our leaders, our political leaders, speak openly
and boldly about this. It matters a lot. All Right,
all right, we'll do it again.
I know it's election season and it's this huge win
and taxes and spending and there's all kinds of things
going on in the government right now. I know all that,
and they are important things. I am not dismissive of
anything that's happening. It's fun, it's good, it's exciting. I'm watching,
you're watching. But let's remember that's what the special is about,
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remembering what is important and what will save us in
the long run. You see, if you have a brain tumor,
God forbid, but if you have a brain tumor and
the brain tumor grows to a big enough size, you
are going to begin getting headaches. Obviously, have a big
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mass growing and a brand, you're going to begin getting headaches.
And headaches suck. I'm not dismissive of headaches. And you
can take things to get the pain gone, but that
doesn't actually save you in the long run. In the
long run, headache or not, you have to remove the tumor.
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We have elections, and elections do matter. I'm not dismissive
of them. In the same way I'm not dismissive of
the headache. It's good find that we have a sane administration.
We'll get better here and better there, and these things
do matter. But in the long run, it's not this
politician or that politician, or this bill or that border
wall that can and will save this country. In the
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long run. What will save this country is the same
thing that has saved many a country and ruined many
a country. Strong nuclear families or the lack thereof nuclear families.
A man and a woman getting married, making babies, raising
those babies together. It sounds almost like an eye rolling thing. Oh,
(01:55):
you old fogey, open up a history book. Long before
there was the United States of America, Leaders of nations
have noticed and known that they need strong family units
because they are the building block of a society. I
could go through a bunch of statistics here. One in
four American children are fatherless. Did you know that. That's
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eighteen million kids. Did you know single parent homes? Well,
the kids are forty three percent less likely to get a's.
If you have a single parent home, your child is
twenty times more likely to go to jail. We have
a family unit problem, and let's just le's talk about
that for a moment. Why why is it a problem? Well,
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you are made by God to have a mother and
a father, and I realize that's not everyone's situation. If
it's not your situation, I'm not judging, of course, but
we are all made to be raised by a mother
and a father. That's how we're made. We need both.
We need mom, we need that, we need both, and
when you have both that it puts together the right
pieces in you you that will send you out into
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the world and make you better at everything. This is
why it's so good for a country. It's not just
that you will grow up and be a better husband
or wife yourself, a better parent yourself, although you will,
and that again it continues on. You will be a
better employee, more stable, You will be a better citizen
to your country, more reliable, not in jail, not getting
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fs not. Nuclear families are the building block of any society.
It sounds crazy, but one of the most patriotic things
you can do for you young people watching. Find somebody
and marry them, and stay married, and make some babies
with them and raise them with love. It's one of
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the best ways you can serve your country. That's a fact.
And it's not an accident that nuclear families have been wrecked.
So badly in this country. This is something that communists
have done since the Soviet Union Union was famous for it.
Maos China was famous for it. The Stasi and East
Germany were famous for it, famous for infiltrating and breaking
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up families. They would do things to turn husbands against wives,
mothers against their own children. Children would go turn in
their parents to the secret police. It sounds crazy, but
it happens. They want to break up the family because
they understand stable normal people will never embrace the sickness
of communism. That's why they turn turbo freaks like this
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loose on your children.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
How am I going to explain trans people to my kids? Well,
I am a TA in kindergarten class and I explained
it to them today. So people were wondering if I
was a boy or a girl, and so they asked me.
One of the kids said, Bernie, are you a boy
or girl? And I said that's a great question. I'm
kind of in between. And he was like, what, No,
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are you a boy or a girl? And I was like, well,
are you a boy or a girl? And he's like,
I'm a boy and what do you think list is?
I think lite's a girl? Cool. So some people are boys,
some people are girls, and some people can be in between,
or they can be neither. Most people are boys or girls,
and sometimes people switch from one to the other.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
What you mean I could be a girl.
Speaker 2 (05:15):
Yeah, you could be a girl if you wanted to
right now. Yeah, if you wanted to, you could say
I'm a girl. And if you wanted, I could call
you by a different name and call you she. And
he was like, but I don't want to be a girl.
And I said, that's great. That means you're a boy,
and I'll call you by your name and use heat.
And he said, Okay.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
You can laugh and roll your eyes, you can scream,
but understand that vile little street animal is on a
mission to break up families. That's what all that stuff's
all about. It's about breaking children away from their parents,
shattering the nuclear family, creating an angst ridden disaster of
a human being who will vote Communist the rest of
its life. It's a fact. Don't fall for it, don't
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go for it, and understand this. Democrats understand who their
enemy is. They understand full well. Remember when Kamala Harris
at her rally, people were yelling Jesus is King, Jesus
is Lord. Remember what she said to them. You're at
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the wrong rally. The people who hate this country. You
know what they fear, the most strong nuclear families who
go to church on Sunday. All that may have made
you uncomfortable, but I am right. We have such an
amazing show for you. Hang on.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
And frankly, I voted Kamala Harris and I started crying
as I was voting. She will bring us forward, she
will turn the.
Speaker 5 (07:14):
Page against this divisive, cruelty and Rhetorican evil.
Speaker 1 (07:21):
I'm sorry, I can't stop making fun of these dirty comedies.
I'm enjoying myself right now. I know James probably is too.
Joining me now. My friend James Lindsay, founder of New
Discourses dot com. His latest book, The Queering of the
American Child, is one every single parent must pick off.
Let me tell you that, James. I'm sorry. I know
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I'm a bad person, but these tears, I just can't.
I can't. I can't stop enjoying them.
Speaker 6 (07:49):
Yeah, you know, I'm a little torn on that. But
when it's these high profile people definitely enjoying them, these
people on the TV, these people like Randy Winingarten, that
are running teachers unions and driving our country into the ground.
But I suspect Randy's tears are fake. I think that
was pretend we can say Communism's are religion, but I
don't even know. I think she actually might be so
craven that she doesn't even believe her own religion than
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just does evil because she likes to.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Yeah, I guess I should clarify. I feel the exact
same way. I actually have more mercy than people think
for the street animals, because they're dumb or mentally challenged,
and they've been lied to repeatedly, and so they actually
are sad and they've gone insane. But evil monsters like that,
they're not sad. They know everything they say is lies,
and they manipulate the dumb people in our society. And
(08:37):
I really, really I think they're evil, not bad, deeply evil.
Speaker 7 (08:41):
James, Yeah, I totally agree.
Speaker 6 (08:43):
Like the last at least eight years, for certain, but
more than that, longer than that, we have been subjected
to an unbelievable, deliberate propaganda campaign designed to drive the
American people crazy. We could actually go back a little
further to twenty twelve. President Obama modernized as they call
it the Smith Munt Act.
Speaker 7 (09:04):
The Smith Mund Act goes back to just after World War.
Speaker 6 (09:07):
Two and it prohibited the intelligence communities and the federal
government from using our media apparatus to propagandize American citizens.
And they modernized it for social media in twenty twelve
under Obama's direction, and whoops removed that part about not
being allowed to propagandize the American people. And so we've
been subject to communist government propaganda since at least twenty
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thirteen in this country, and it has driven people to
Trump derangement syndrome, to COVID derangement, to all of these
identity politics and sanity that we've seen for the last
several years that are tearing our country apart. And it's
important that we get to a place where we can
turn the propaganda machine, the propaganda death star. We can
turn that thing off and then free the American people.
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And we'll see a lot of these dumb, misled, sad
street animals come back to come back to the fold.
And I think that that's the right view to have, James.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
It's not uncommon at all right now to see, especially
on social media, you'll have one of these people bragging
about how they just done invited mom to Thanksgiving, they've
caught off all ties with their father at a heartbreaking
Ashley email to my show about a father whose daughter
disowned the family and left the group chat over the
whole thing. People don't realize that this is very purposeful
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that Communists wedge themselves into the family. They don't know
about the things that Stazi used to do, that Mao
used to do. They don't know the Communists break up
families on purpose. It's not a whoopsie. They do this
on purpose.
Speaker 6 (10:35):
That's right, and more broadly, not to take away attention
from the dirty commedies who deserve the attention here. But
this is cult behavior. So even if you're still out
there somehow listening to Jesse Kelly and on the fence
about whether or not this is communism, you cannot be
on the fence about whether or not this is a cult.
And Communism is the largest, most destructive death cult the
humans have ever created, capturing the lives of over a
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billion people, destroying and I mean literally murdering somewhere in
the neighborhood of one hundred to two hundred million people
over the last century. Communism is a cult, and so
it has to separate people from their families to what
they call to establish what's called milu control. They have
to separate people from their families so they'll forget who
they are and will see themselves only through the communist
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ideology and its application through the state.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
That's the same reason they love to tear down statues
and renamed streets as well. On a larger level, the
same reason it's about erasing your history, unmooring you from
your past, so they can write your future.
Speaker 6 (11:36):
You might say, it's about being able to see what
can be, unburdened by what has been. Is actually the
beating heart of the communist project. And yeah, renaming streets,
tear dame statues, tearing you apart from your family. Not
only are these communists bread and butter, going back to
the Bolsheviks and Russia into the Chinese, the PRC in China.
(11:57):
When we look at the Chinese case, what mal Zeidong
did during the cult, you had young people.
Speaker 7 (12:01):
Renaming themselves with new revolutionary names.
Speaker 6 (12:03):
It's exactly like the trans phenomenon, people giving themselves new
names with their old dead name. You had statues coming down,
you had streets being renamed to revolutionary terms, and the
whole idea was to tear down all of the like
you said, all of the mooring, all of the tethering
to the old society, so that all that there was
for young people was the Communist vision for what was
coming for their lives in the future. And they would
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get these kids whipped up on this, thinking that their
lives were going to be great once they destroyed all
of their class enemies, including their parents who had to
be denounced, including their grandparents, their teachers, their religions, everything
in society that existed had to be torn.
Speaker 7 (12:39):
Apart and destroyed.
Speaker 6 (12:41):
And for about two years there was mayhem in China
sixty six to sixty eight while the young people the
Red Guard went wild doing this until Mao got his
power back and then kicked them all out to the
countryside to live in misery and die.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
You know what couldn't happen to better kids, I'll tell
you that much. Okay, the trans stuff, it almost seems
that maybe maybe I'm wrong on this, and almost feels
like we kind of hit a bottom in our society
on this. Please pardon the pun with that, but it
feels like we've reached a stopping point there where it
was it went so far, it got so in your face,
(13:18):
it got so gross to the American people said no,
but the American people don't really understand what that was about.
What was it about.
Speaker 7 (13:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (13:27):
So one of the things that I'm most proud of
is in twenty nineteen, so way back five years ago.
Last month, I predicted that if they ever went fully
public with the trans stuff and the queer theory, that
it would be their undoing, and it appears to have
been that. I think that that was the primary mover
for a lot of people who voted for Trump, and
especially a lot of new voters for Trump, who are
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abandoning the Democratic Party and voting Republican for the first
time in their lives. And what they don't understand still,
and I guess this is a mission for me to
try to educate them, is that queer theory is directly
a derivative of Marxism. It's not just about finding out
who you really are. It's about adopting an intentionally oppositional
politics that is oriented against anything being considered normal or
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legitimate unless the cult itself approves it, and it uses
a Marxist line of division that certain people consider themselves
to be normal, so they're privileged, and other people are
not considered normal, so they're oppressed by the idea of
normalcy and legitimacy themselves. And so they take upon this
idea that they can transform their sex, transform who they are,
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rename themselves as a usually to make themselves extremely ugly
or scary or something, or to enact sexual fetishism, whatever else,
as a way to disrupt normal society intentionally. It's not
just about having brainwashed and created social pressures or social
contagions for kids. It is a deliberate attempt to destabilize children,
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to turn them into a revolutionary class that will tear
apart society.
Speaker 1 (14:57):
All right, so we know why communists destroyed, children destroy families.
How do we without getting the government freaking involves because
they'll screw it up? How do we encourage families going forward? James, mothers, fathers.
How do we strengthen families so we never have to
get a text message from our daughter that she's on
inviting us from Thanksgiving? How do we do this?
Speaker 6 (15:20):
You know, honestly, and I know this is a big
theme that resonates with you that we got in this
mess because a lot of people were comfortable enough to
live their lives on autopilot. People have been parenting on autopilot.
They've been just assuming that it's absolutely natural, for example,
to send your kids to government run schools, running government
programming with not really to even know what's going on
with that government programming, and just trust your kids with
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the government for you know, forty hours a week. This
is all kind of got to change. It's got to
be no more parenting on autopilot. Let's get intentional parenting.
And when you get your mindset right about this, this
is actually not this you know, burden that the left
has led us to think that interacting with your family,
having children, doing things with them, getting to know them,
spending intentional time with them is sometimes somehow a burden
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from your the better part of the rest of your life. Now,
this is a very enriching phenomenon. And you talk to
most conservatives, they understand they spend a lot of time
with their family. They enrich that time with their family.
So what parents need to be doing is a protecting
their children from the schoolst large public, especially private also,
but they also need to be spending a lot of
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intentional time with them, teaching them about the road that
they're going to walk, which is filled with this kind
of garbage that the kids are going to have to navigate.
They should not hear about this stuff for the first
time from their friends or on social media even worse,
and parents are going to have to be very intentional.
Spend time, make sure your kids know, absolutely know that
you love them and that they can come to you
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with anything that they see at their school or whatever
that is inappropriate that says to keep secrets from their
parents and build that relationship. Spend time, get to know
your kids, have family dinners, all the stuff that makes
a family a family. Start doing it again, and that's
going to be the number one protection is to stop
parenting on autopilot and get very involved. Whether it's your
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kids everyday lives, their friends, groups, their religion, take them
to church, do church as a family every Sunday. It
doesn't really even matter if you're that religious. To find
a good church teaching good values and go together as
a family churches or places where people are trying to
become better people on purpose in and of themselves, and
it's a very pro family environment, So I encourage that,
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and it doesn't matter. Also, if it's their educational environment,
get very involved all the way to the point if
you can of homeschooling, you get very involved in your
kid's educational process.
Speaker 7 (17:40):
No more autopilot.
Speaker 1 (17:42):
Oh. I would encourage the ladies out there, if you
so desire, consider substitute teaching in your child's school. My
wife does that and it has gotten her intimately more
involved in their education, what they're learning, the administration, the
problems that may come. James, you are the man. My
brother appreciates you as always. All Right, we're not done yet.
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Cernovich is going to join us next.
Speaker 8 (18:21):
I want us as a Republican party to be pro
family in the fullest sense of the word. I want
us to support fertility treatments. I want us to make
it easier for moms to afford to have babies. I
want it to make it easier for young families to
afford a home so they can afford a place to
raise that family. And I think there's so much that
we can do on the public policy front just to
give women more options.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
I like it. I like hearing the GOP start to
talk this way, because family is everything. So much more
important than party or anything else. Do you want to
save a country, save the American family? Joining me now,
my friend Mike Cernovitch, who talks about this stuff a
lot author filmmakers. Go subscribe to his substack, which is outstanding.
(19:05):
I should note, Mike, I like that the Republican Party,
as many problems as I have with it, as finally
starting to get bolder about speaking about family and the
importance of it. It's a relief to me.
Speaker 5 (19:19):
Yeah, they used to talk, they used to talk about it,
and then suddenly it didn't become an issue. Right James
Dobson focus on the family, even if he was at
the time way too conservative for me. But now I
look back and think maybe those maybe those fundies had
a point because a lot of the stuff that they
would talk about and you would dismiss, especially when you're younger,
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came to fruition. So yeah, it used to be focused
on the family. Everything was about family values, and then
it became about tax cuts a couple couple percentages here
or there, which is great. I'll take a tax cut,
but getting people to believe in your political party is
very difficult when that is your sole messaging to people is, hey,
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we'll save you five percent this year. But again, I'll
take I don't want some idiot to chop this up
and say, oh, you know, bro, you like high taxes.
But it obviously wasn't doing the job.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
Mike, Why did we become the party of tax cuts?
How did that happen? And again I'm with Mike, please
don't raise my taxes. Like I'm all about the tax cuts.
But why did we ever get away from it? What
happened that pushed us away from it?
Speaker 5 (20:30):
It was definitely the chamber of commerce Republicans. That's what
brought in open borders. That's what brought in cheap labor.
Mitt Romney, Bank Capital, Paul Ryan loses Wisconsin when he
runs his VP. Trump wins Wisconsin twice, maybe three times,
depending on who you talk to. They, of course, Republicans
lose twice to Obama, which shouldn't have been difficult. Should
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have been a difficult victory to obtain that. Yeah, we
allowed the corporate side to control and dictate policy. And
if you're the corporate side, or if you're these Republican senators,
you don't mind losing because the money's still good. You're
playing both sides you're getting like the vig right, sort
of like those when people gamble.
Speaker 4 (21:13):
The real winners aren't the people who win the bet.
Speaker 5 (21:15):
The real winner is always a house, right, You're working that,
and that was what the Republican Party largely was and
was going to continue to be, because if Trump had
won in twenty sixteen, I was laugh at these alternative
histories where they said, well, now, of course they looks
stupid because Trump won the popular vote. But people need
to remember that we're being told as early as a
year or two ago. Gosh, it's too bad that Hillary
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didn't win in twenty sixteen, because then in twenty twenty
they would have had Paul Ryan or some of great
Republican won in twenty twenty, when in fact, it would
have been the end of the Republican Party as.
Speaker 4 (21:49):
We know it.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
Could you imagine four years of Paul Ryan, How freaking
worthless we would be? Mike, why are families the building
block of country? I mean, I've put it in my
own words already on this show, but what is it
about a nuclear family that makes an entire country better?
I mean, it's been said. I'm not the first one
to say it, of course, but the most patriotic thing
you can do is go marry somebody and stay married
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and make a bunch of babies and be there and
raise your family.
Speaker 4 (22:16):
But why, Well, it's an investment in the future.
Speaker 5 (22:20):
The question is why goes into religion or a meaning
of life issue that a lot of people don't realize
until they're there, right you think? I remember when I
have a first kid. We had a picture. My wife
kind of took a picture because I was a little
punch drunk. It was an interesting moment, but I'd also thought,
what the world have you gotten yourself into?
Speaker 4 (22:41):
Everything was pretty easy in your life.
Speaker 5 (22:42):
So I think that goes to the trend of how
the Republican Party lost touch with family. Is a lot
of people, myself included, I don't pretend to be above
these failings, had an extended adolescence.
Speaker 4 (22:55):
You see that a lot where there's an.
Speaker 5 (22:58):
Emphasis on fun. Oh that's fun, and everything's fun. Everything's
about fun. But eventually the men, the men are gonna
hit the wall too, where nothing is really fun anymore.
And then you're at home alone and people people like
to carpetrure with jdv And said about cat ladies, and
of course he didn't say what it was reported. But
there is a type of a cat man too, and
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it's a bit more of a bleak outcome for men
because women are more social. So the man, I'm gonna
have fun, I'm gonna enjoy my life. I'm gonna listen
to all these red pill podcasts and talk about how women,
you know, shouldn't vote, and you know, we hate the
women and everything, and that's that's kind of cool when
you're in your thirties.
Speaker 4 (23:38):
Maybe, I mean, I don't think. I don't think it's cool,
but you can get away with it. But you're gonna
hit the wall too. Man, you're gonna be You're gonna
be a cat man too.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Yeah. And and men are choosing this a lot now, Mike,
And I hate it because you you mentioned something that
I've really really noticed a lot. Maybe it's picking up.
Maybe I'm just getting older, and I noticed that more
and a lot of young men who are very understandably despondent.
They're angry, their their life isn't what they wanted to be.
(24:08):
They've really checked out on the whole family thing. I
hate women. I hate when women suck, and so they
don't desire a family. A lot of young people are shocking.
The high percentage of young people don't want to get married,
they don't want to have kids. It's just misery to them.
And it saddens me more than anything. Like how many
miserable men we have.
Speaker 5 (24:29):
Is a part of the meaning crisis or the spiritual crisis,
or the virtue crisis, depending on how people want to
describe it.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
But I heard a great speaking of kids. That was
the boy. That was the boy.
Speaker 5 (24:42):
So speaking of what she just invaded there, there's a
great omily I heard from Father Sarah from Rose and
he's an Orthodox monk and he might be a saint
at some point in time, but he great this. He
gave this great omily on fun and how and it
convicted me.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
This isn't me convicting. It convicted me.
Speaker 5 (25:02):
Where it said that a hundred years ago you would
have sounded like a very silly person, especially as a man,
when all you talk about is fun. That's fun, that
sounds fun. When did we get this Western spiritual condition
where our life didn't become about virtue or duty or obligation,
but it's all about how much.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
Fun can we have?
Speaker 5 (25:24):
And that that's trickled downstream, which is, hey, I'm a
man and I want to have fun, and I'm not.
I'm not here to say don't enjoy life. I would
say I enjoy life, you know, probably more than a
lot of people. But I heard that, and I felt
so convicted my heart, and I even thought, I want
to eliminate the term fun at least when I talk
about myself from my vocabulary. I don't want to hear, oh, hey, hey,
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you know, go talk to Jesse. It'll be fun.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
I sure it is.
Speaker 5 (25:49):
I you know, this is this is fun to me.
But I try not to think of that way at all.
And I realized, yeah, we were, whether we knew it
or not, this childish mindset had trickled down to us,
and we had rejected any kind of Roman understanding of virtue,
of strength, of purpose, of shouldering a burden. Again, myself included,
I want to just yell at the young guys, right,
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that's not it at all.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
I was certainly there.
Speaker 5 (26:13):
And once you're living just for fun, you would see
children as a interruption of the parties. So it's easy
for men on these redicill podcasts to say a woman
got an abortion because she wanted to keep partying. It's like, well,
who fornicated with her?
Speaker 1 (26:28):
Right?
Speaker 4 (26:28):
Who got her pregnant?
Speaker 5 (26:29):
Some guy you know who just wants to have fun
and he want to have a kid either, he probably
told her to get one, and half the time he
probably even paid for it. So why is it all
the time we're just talking about women and how they're
not taking accountability for anything. But you don't realize that
the man mind has been infected with this childishness and
this obsession with everything has to be entertaining and everything
has to be fun.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
Yeah, it's true, it really is. Mike. You talk a
lot about you know, to raise kids, you have to
raise yourself. What are you talking about?
Speaker 5 (27:02):
So something that I found influential in our parenting and
homeschooling with Charlotte Mason. There's all these principles of the
Charlotte Mason pedagogy, and you know, one of them is
that you treat children as a whole being, that children
aren't little things, at least what I was treated as
a kid. Children should be seen, not her, But children
are actually people. They are little people at different stages
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of development. And then you want to think of am
I treating my child like a person, like a whole person,
like a real person, And most of us would realize
that if you treated your friends the way you treat
your kids sometimes, if you treated yourself the way you
treat you the kids, sometimes it wouldn't really stand up,
It wouldn't really make a lot of sense, and that
wouldn't even necessarily be effective. And then as you go
(27:48):
deeper into that, you think, why am I mad at
my kid? Well, I'm mad at my kid because I
feel a loss of control. Well why do I feel
a loss of control? And then why is it that
feeling a loss of control should upset me? Why should
why should I care? And then why should I have
this emotional state internalized and then externalize it to those
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people around me? Because that doesn't work in your marriage,
so why would that work with children? So you realize
that your children are shining a mirror onto you. Right,
there's a quote, no, no man is a hero to
his butler, No man is a hero to his valet,
the implication being that somebody who is with you all
the time maybe doesn't buy the hype the way people
(28:28):
who see you only in your highlight real moments would
do it. And of course, with children, you're kind of
their hero at a certain age, although that changes. But
what I found with children is that they, you know,
they they're a mirrorund you. So one example that's kind
of stupid, but I remember my kid would come up
and be like, hey, yah, let's get some chocolate and
the fridge and I pause of it and I go, well, no, you,
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you don't need any more chocolate.
Speaker 4 (28:50):
And I thought, I don't need any more chocolate.
Speaker 5 (28:52):
The kid just knows to follow me to the fridge
to get a little seized can or a piece of chocolate. Right,
So there's these thousand different ways. Is that they're showing
you who you are because you go through life in
an automatic pattern and you're realizing, oh, they're they're showing
me that part of myself where they're showing me that
how but I didn't realize that. I wasn't even conscious
of that. I was running on an autopilot. And then
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you realize that most of the time you're upset with
your kids, it isn't that they've done some irredeemable sin
that really, you know, because as a father you sometimes
have to lay down the law. Everybody knows that we're
not we're not denying that. But sometimes you realize, you know,
I'm just in a bad mood. I'm just in a
bad mood, and this has nothing to do with my kids.
(29:35):
So I need to figure out, like why am in
a bad mood? And why am I going to let
my emotional state dictate how I even feel right now,
let alone how I parents. So there's this constant feedback
mechanism happening as you raise children in a way that
is very intense, and I think that that's why people
find parenting challenging. Is the work is the work, you know,
but oh well, you miss some sleep. The work is
(29:56):
the work, it's the emotional realization, especially for people who
have never because they amin themselves or try to improve themselves,
you realize that it is a raw nerve if you're
not conscious and.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
Aware of it, no doubt about it, you know, And
it's hard to be human in front of him. I
snapped at mind the other day just because I was
in a bad mood. Had to go home and apologize
to him that night and own the whole thing. Freaking sucked. Mike,
you are the man, of course, thank you, my brother.
All right, I'd be roth. That's going to join us
talk a bit about motherhood.
Speaker 9 (30:27):
Next, we will promote positive education about the nuclear family,
the roles of mothers and fathers, and celebrating rather than
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erasing the things that make men and women different and unique.
Speaker 1 (30:57):
I am liking a lot of what I'm seeing. But remember,
like we've talked about in the open families, the nuclear family,
men and women getting married and making babies. That is
the building block of every single society. But how how
do we move forward? How do we get back to that?
Joining me now, Abby Roth, creator of the first generation,
She's also a stay at home mom. Obviously, Abby's joined
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us many times before. Okay, Abby, Obviously we don't want
the government and the business of family because the government
just screws up everything the government's involved in. However, it
would be naive to think governments can't at least encourage
people one way or the other. What do we want
what do we not want out of the government when
it comes to families.
Speaker 10 (31:40):
I mean, it's always so important to encourage family, strong families.
I mean, that's the basis of civilization, it's the basis
of good societies. Having a mom and a dad at home,
it lowers crime rates, It means there's less anxiety in
young children if you have stay at home moms with
their children for the first three years. Encouraging strong families
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is what's going to lead to a stronger a stronger America,
and so having a president being a big proponent of
that and being a proponent of the differences between men
and women is incredible. Should government be incredibly involved in families?
Speaker 7 (32:18):
No?
Speaker 3 (32:19):
Should government also be big proponents of families.
Speaker 10 (32:22):
Yes, And we should have traditional families being at the
forefront of all of this, right, because traditional families are
what create strong children and create great members of society.
Speaker 1 (32:38):
Abby, you've mentioned the anxiety thing. I want you to
talk about that a little bit more. I'm sure you
didn't know where you were going to go there. I
didn't know where you were going to go there, either,
But it's true. My wife's been hot on this for
a while. Wells that people think, you know, with kids,
especially when they're super young from zero to three, that
maybe what's happening is not having a big impact because
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their brains are good and still spreading food all over
their eyes, and you think to yourself, well, I'm not
even really here for anything but clean up. But it
actually has a big impact on the rest of their lives,
doesn't it.
Speaker 10 (33:10):
This is something that drives me a little crazy. I
was at an event with a bunch of women and
they were saying, you know, it's really not important to
be with your kids in those early years. Those early years,
as someone in a daycare can do just as much
as you can. It's more important to be available in
the later years.
Speaker 3 (33:26):
And I was sitting there thinking.
Speaker 10 (33:28):
You mean, the most important time for a child's brains formation,
we should not be involved.
Speaker 3 (33:36):
It's a crazy concept.
Speaker 10 (33:38):
Erica Kamassar's book Being There really goes into this whole
idea that those first three years are when a child's
brain and neural connections are developed, and as parents, it's
our responsibility to give our children the best basis to
be whole human beings that we can, and when mothers
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are present in those first three years, we see a
way lower anxiety rate. I mean, I think the most
interesting element in Erica Kamassar's book that stood out.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
To me was the idea that there are genetic.
Speaker 10 (34:10):
Kind of things that are in little babies and those
will not present if mothers are there with their children
because anxiety is what causes those to express themselves, those
genetic problems to express themselves. Those anxieties are lowered when
babies are with their mothers, and so those genetic things
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don't end up expressing.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
And if the child is in a daycare or is
constantly separated from.
Speaker 10 (34:38):
Mom, those genetic problems will express. And that's how you
have a whole anxious, anxious generation, right because you've got
children who are not being or not being raised by
mom and dad in those early years. They're really being
put in daycares from the time they're six weeks old,
twelve weeks old and being fourced to deal with hours
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and hours of separation from their primary caregivers from an
age that they cannot comprehend or understand what's happening to them.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
You have an article, it's a very good article in
the Daily Wire talking about why women voted for Trump.
I mean, everyone remembers the election we just had. In
the lead up to it, every single ad was something
about how women are in danger, women are gonna die, women, women, women.
The entire basis around the Democrat campaign was centered around women.
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And then women other than the young single ones went
out and voted for Donald Trump. Why it.
Speaker 10 (35:40):
Honestly, I thought it was so funny the ad campaigns.
It was there were two ad campaigns going on. One
was you're a woman, so you have to vote for
a woman, and the second thing was your rights are
on the line, and if you don't vote for Kamala Harris,
then you are against women. And women are not someceless
(36:00):
horde that can just be driven into the ground by
stupid by stupid sayings like that, we're not going to
just all vote as one because you told us that
we are women and so we have to vote for
a woman, or because Donald Trump is Satan incarnate.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
And so we have to vote for the other side. No,
women are individuals.
Speaker 10 (36:20):
And so we looked at, honestly, I think our grocery bills.
Speaker 3 (36:24):
We looked at, you know.
Speaker 10 (36:26):
The problems with the border and a legal immigration and
all the crime that has resulted. We looked at our
children being put in danger because of all of the
policies around transgenderism. And we looked at abortion and we
realized that this is a crazy notion to say that
we should have abortion up until the ninth month because
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our daughters deserve a future.
Speaker 3 (36:50):
What about the daughters and our wounds.
Speaker 10 (36:51):
I think a lot of women were thinking, I would
like my child to be born, not I would like
my four year old to have the right to abort
their child when they're twenty eight. Like it's it was all,
I think, just terrible messaging. And I think women voted
on the things that mattered to them, and so they
looked at the options Kamala Harris terrible candidate who happens
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to be a woman. And we looked at Donald Trump,
who did a great job last time he was in office,
and my grocery bill wasn't twice what it is now.
Speaker 3 (37:21):
And they voted. They voted for the person who made sense.
Speaker 10 (37:24):
They didn't vote for someone just because it was a
meme or a punchline.
Speaker 1 (37:30):
Abby a lot of people. I just saw a recent
study that was one in four. That number is so
shocking the high. A lot of people were talking. Younger
people were talking about how they don't want kids for
financial reasons. Now, it's very easy for someone like you
or I already established with kids, to say that's crazy.
You just have them anyway. And of course that would
be my message. Go make as many babies as you can.
(37:52):
You might even enjoy yourself. But for young people looking
at the finances right, it doesn't pencil out. Again, they
are freaking expensive. Those little bugger by suns at a
dozen eggs in two days this weekend. What do you
say to those people?
Speaker 10 (38:05):
Well, I think there's, you know, the thing I would
say to people, and also the actual data on the ground.
So the truth is that most people are not making
fundamental decisions about their family size based on their financials.
There have been a lot of economic incentives for people
to have more children, and when those economic incentives come
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into play, there's initially a baby boom, but it peters
out and it ends up balancing, and basically what it
does is it encourages people to have children sooner, but
it doesn't encourage them to.
Speaker 3 (38:40):
Have more children.
Speaker 10 (38:42):
So I don't think this argument about people having less
children because of the financials and their finances is actually accurate.
Speaker 3 (38:50):
Most people are going to.
Speaker 10 (38:51):
Have the amount of children they would like to have
because that's their value set, that's what they want.
Speaker 3 (38:57):
So I think the real question is how do we
convince young people.
Speaker 10 (39:00):
That financially but that's going to There are elements, of course,
that you have to think about when it comes to
the financials of having children. But I think that's what's
even more important, important than that, is instilling the values
of why children are so wonderful, and not only from like, yes,
it's going to make.
Speaker 3 (39:17):
Your life better.
Speaker 10 (39:18):
Yes, it's just the most incredible thing you can do
as a stay at home mom with two kids who
wants five or six, Like I'm the biggest proponent of that.
But it's also good for societies. I think we've been
raised in a world that tells people that having children
is bad for the world, right, climate change and all
these things like having babies is bad.
Speaker 3 (39:38):
Actually we're an.
Speaker 10 (39:39):
Incredible baby bust right now, which is horrible for like.
Speaker 3 (39:43):
Our economies for.
Speaker 10 (39:46):
Really a whole number of reasons that's going to just
not end up panning out well. So having children is
good now from the perspective of financials. I know so
many people who, because they know the importance of having children,
are willing to live with less. And I think that's
really the hardest thing to get across to people is
what you think is a fundamental necessity or baseline is
(40:09):
actually much more than people have ever had in history,
And so you don't necessarily need two brand new cars.
You don't necessarily need to get coffee every morning from Starbucks.
Speaker 4 (40:21):
Like there are.
Speaker 10 (40:21):
Things that you don't need that you will you know,
it will pay dividends having children, because children are so
much more important than that Starbucks frappuccino that you are craving. Like,
having that child is going to make more sense in
the long run because even outside of the financials, right,
(40:41):
if you don't have children and you're in your sixties, seventies, eighties,
who is.
Speaker 3 (40:46):
Going to take care of you when you're older? You
are going to be alone?
Speaker 10 (40:49):
And there is something so beautiful, beautiful in the life
cycle where your children you take care of them and
then they take care of you.
Speaker 3 (40:56):
So I could go out and on about it, but
I won't.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
I'm not going to hold you back. Starbucks isn't even
very good anyway. The breakfast options are just awful. They
have these little sandwiches and there's never any sauce or
anything like that with the sandwiches. I don't even like Starbucks. Abby,
thank you so much. I appreciate it as always. We'll
be back, Okay. I know this is a conversation that
(41:35):
gets uncomfortable when we have these specials and we talk
about families, and I understand why it gets uncomfortable people
who who don't necessarily have that, or it's not in
the cards for them, or something they feel judged. Well,
I don't have that, Jesse. I'm a single mom. There's
no judgment here. We're talking about how to build a
nation and where we want to go as a nation.
(41:58):
And where we want to go as a nation is
a nation of strong nuclear families. If the United States
of America, if you told me fifty years from now,
we would have more nuclear families that are together and
strong than we do now. I don't need to know
anything else about what's going on fifty years from now.
I don't need to know about the debt, or the
border or anything else that alone would tell me are
(42:21):
we going to be okay or not. And if you
told me fifty years so now we had fewer nuclear
families than we have today, more broken homes, then I
don't need to know anything else. I don't need to
know who's president, which party. I don't need to know
anything else. I know we will be worse off. Let's
be purposeful about this. Let's talk to our children about this. Mate,
(42:43):
Let's make sure our leaders, our political leaders, speak openly
and boldly about this. It matters a lot. All Right,
all right, we'll do it again.
Host
Jesse Kelly
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