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October 2, 2025 45 mins

Democrats shut down the government. Why? Jesse Kelly explains the reason and why it's likely to backfire. Congressman Tim Burchett joins the show to react and discuss the next steps. You'll also hear from Lee Smith regarding a fresh threat from China. Plus, a preview of the Supreme Court's upcoming term with Professor William A. Jacobson.

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Democrats shut down the government. Okay, we got that, but
why we'll discuss that tonight. Tim Burchett is here. Is
China actually going to invade Taiwan? All that and so
much more coming up on on run. Okay, let's talk

(00:24):
about this government shut down in a more simple way,
shall we, Because the government is currently shut down? Yes,
but why what's the reasoning? What's every side's doing? Propaganda?
Right now? Let's get down to the nitty gritty of
what it is. Here's what Chuck Schumer said.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
It was Every Republican who has gone on TV the
last twelve hours or so has called this the Schumer shutdown.
What do you say about that?

Speaker 3 (00:50):
Name?

Speaker 4 (00:57):
Center Schumer? Can you hear me.

Speaker 3 (01:00):
Here?

Speaker 2 (01:01):
Senator of humor?

Speaker 4 (01:02):
Can you hear me?

Speaker 2 (01:04):
I don't think Senator of Shumer can hear me right now?
Maybe the government shutdown included audio on Capitol Hill?

Speaker 1 (01:12):
So he was at a loss for words. All right,
So I guess we'll have to move on. Let's find
out what else they're saying. AOC Bernie Sanders, who they were.

Speaker 5 (01:20):
What I'm not going to do is tolerate four million
uninsured Americans because Donald Trump decided one day that he
wants to just make sure that kids are dying because
they don't have access to insurance.

Speaker 4 (01:34):
So are you telling me you're willing to vote no
every time?

Speaker 6 (01:37):
Leader there, I am not going to allow Let me
be clear, all right, you can quote me on this,
you can quote be honest.

Speaker 4 (01:42):
We say you move on to the cows come home.

Speaker 6 (01:44):
I will not let tens of thousands of fellow Americans
die because they're thrown off of healthcare in my state.
People cannot afford a doubling in the healthcare premiums. We
already pay the highest prices in the country for healthcare.
People just can't afford it.

Speaker 1 (02:00):
Okay, So I know you're going to find this shocking,
but they're going with the line people will die, people
will die, people will die. This is a standard Democrat line.
And as I've talked to you before, whenever Democrats pull
out people will die. You know they're up against something
that's very important to them. Now, let's switch gears to
go to our side. Don't worry, I'm gonna give you

(02:21):
the real nitty gritty in a moment. Here was Vice
President jd.

Speaker 7 (02:24):
Vance in their initial proposal. The first thing that they
put out to reopen the government. They actually turned that
money for healthcare benefits for illegal aliens back on. So
it's not something that we made up. It's not a
talking point. It is in the text of the bill
that they initially gave to us to reopen the government.
It's preposterous for them to run away from it now.

(02:45):
But look, let's set that all to the side. Let's
open up the government. Let's negotiate on all these healthcare
policy issues. Obviously we're not going to support healthcare benefits
for illegal aliens, but we will work with them to
lower healthcare costs for American citizens.

Speaker 4 (03:00):
Willing to do so.

Speaker 1 (03:02):
Okay, So what's the reality of it. Well, let's talk
about combat, shall we war? You know Sun Zoo you've
probably heard of Sun Zu wrote that infamous book that's
on everybody's bookshelf, whether you're a general or in the
business world, The Art of War. It's fascinating book, by
the way, highly recommend it. All kinds of little, easily consumable.

Speaker 4 (03:24):
Statements in there, but he has one that is really
really great.

Speaker 1 (03:28):
And there's a lot that's great, but one of the
ones is do not attack. What is strong attack?

Speaker 4 (03:34):
What is weak?

Speaker 1 (03:35):
I have tried endlessly when I'm playing risk with my
sons to teach them this, because they'll take huge armies
and they'll throw them up against some fortress I have
built up.

Speaker 4 (03:44):
Instead of the little barely.

Speaker 1 (03:46):
Defended country right next door. Because they're testosterone driven meatheads,
they continue to attack what is strong. Don't do that
attack what is weak. So if you want to know
the reality of why Democrats are doing what they're doing,
don't listen to Chuck Schumer. He's very experience that this AOC,
believe it or not very savvy politically. You have to
go to the dumbest among them, the weak link, and

(04:08):
that is always the person who will accidentally be extremely honest.
Maxine Waters is always your go to.

Speaker 3 (04:16):
What are democrats demanding health care for illegal aliens?

Speaker 8 (04:19):
That's why Democrats are demanding health care for everybody. We
want to save lives. We want to make sure that
healthcare is available to those who would die but having
the help of their government.

Speaker 5 (04:38):
So you're good with the government shutdown even if it
means giving health care to people who aren't Americans in.

Speaker 8 (04:44):
Well, you keep that's what you're pushing on. What you're
trying to do is you're standing here and you're trying
to make me say that somehow we are going to
put non citizens over Americas. Quit it, stop it. This
is the kind of journalism we don't need.

Speaker 4 (05:00):
You have.

Speaker 8 (05:00):
Divisive No, you're not, you're being divisive. No, please don't.
You don't need to ask that question. You're just trying
to get controversy here. You're not gonna get it from me.
We want to save health care for all people.

Speaker 3 (05:14):
Thank you, Thank you, Congresswoman.

Speaker 9 (05:15):
I appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (05:19):
Always go to Maxine. She doesn't have the brain power
to hold back from the talking point. So what is
the real deal? Obviously, yes, giving health gurgery legals is
part of what they're doing. But here's just the plain
text of it. Let me explain this to you in
the most basic way, because this stuff gets very confusing.

(05:41):
The United States of America, our government, our Congress, they
refuse to ever pass a new budget.

Speaker 4 (05:47):
They refuse to do it. Nobody wants to.

Speaker 1 (05:49):
Put their name on this spending or that spending, and
nobody wants to actually cut spending.

Speaker 4 (05:54):
Oh no, they're going to.

Speaker 1 (05:55):
Wait until the entire country collapses economically.

Speaker 4 (05:58):
So what do you do? What they've been doing is
passing a continuing resolution over and over and over and
over and over again.

Speaker 1 (06:08):
You've probably heard it in the news referenced as a CR,
a CR. We got to get a CR. Can we
get a CR? Or what is a CR? Continuing resolution?
What does that mean? That means you take the budget
that was passed long, long ago and you extend it.

Speaker 4 (06:24):
That's it.

Speaker 1 (06:25):
You don't adjust really anything, not up, not down. You
don't add, you don't subtract. You just hey, let's do
this for another few months. Eh, let's do this for
another six months. Let's do this for the rest of
the year. Both parties have been doing this for.

Speaker 4 (06:38):
A long time.

Speaker 1 (06:39):
By the way, quick pause. Any CR is a controversy.
The idea of a CR itself is a complete scandal.
Should only be passed. It was only ever meant for
super emergency situations.

Speaker 4 (06:52):
We're at war. We don't have time to just give
us another couple of months. Set that aside. That's what
we've always been doing.

Speaker 1 (07:00):
So why right now, why won't Democrats just do that that?
They look terrible. The country is not on their side here.
It is Democrats who didn't give them the sixty votes
they needed in the Senate to pass the cr All
the Republicans said, just pass it. Democrats said, no, why

(07:20):
would they do that when they don't look good politically? Well,
the Democrat Party itself, they're in. It's very serious trouble
nationally and they know this. They might not know a
way out of it, but they know it because they
all these people do is live and die for poll numbers.
Every day they have a new poll out they've spent

(07:42):
a fortune on and they study these polls and they
see their popularity is going down. Even worse for them,
Donald Trump's popularity is going up. The Republican Party itself
is more popular than Democrats comfortably, especially on the critical
issues that matter for am Mareamericans, issues like immigration. The
Republican Party is currently polling at twenty points above Democrats.

(08:07):
On the issue of crime. The Democrat Party is simply
not popular. Now what does that mean? It means Democrats
have to figure something out and they're in virtually an
impossible situation.

Speaker 4 (08:21):
I would feel bad for them if they.

Speaker 1 (08:23):
Weren't a bunch of demonic savages their base, the anti
human demons who make up the Democrat base, vandalizing, killing people,
those people they demand right now they are demanding you
should fight Trump harder. Every single poll reflects that Democrats
their number one issue is stop Trump, Fight Trump.

Speaker 4 (08:43):
Why aren't you fighting harder?

Speaker 1 (08:45):
So you know that if you're a Democrat, but you
also know this the public at large, not your base.
The public at large thinks you're a bunch of unhinted psychopaths.
So you have to find a way to walk a tightrope.
That is currently impossible for Democrats to walk. That tightrope
is you have to signal to your base that you're

(09:07):
gonna get Trump, You're gonna fight him really hard, while
also trying to not look like subhuman demons to the
public at large. It is not something that is currently
possible for the Democrat Party. What this is, what this
shutdown is, is an effort to give their base something.

(09:27):
We are stopping Trump, We're trying to get health care
for illegals'rying to We're trying to do something. It's an
effort to do something. And the problem for them is
the Trump administration saw this coming and they saw an opportunity.
Because there's an opportunity to do things during a shutdown,

(09:48):
you wouldn't otherwise have Trump spoke about it.

Speaker 10 (09:52):
We can do things during the shutdown that are irreversible
that are bad for them and irreversible by them, like
cutting vast numbers of people out, cutting things that they like,
cutting programs that they like. And you know, you all
know Russell vote. He's become very popular recently because he
can trim the budget to a level that you couldn't

(10:13):
do any other way. So they're taking a risk by
having a show.

Speaker 1 (10:20):
What's he saying there? Normally during a government shut down.
Pause on that for a moment. Remember, the communists have
been infiltrating our federal government for years and years and years,
filling it up with their loyal comrades. There are communist
warriors all throughout the government fighting a revolution against our country.
And because of our ridiculous laws in this country, it's

(10:42):
virtually impossible to fire these people in normal situations. And
normally when the government shuts down, what happens. These people
get a couple weeks off, Hey, time to go down
to the Caribbean. Time to go get some my ties
in Mexico. Don't worry, you'll all be brought back as
soon as they end up signing the bill, which we

(11:03):
all know they're going to sign and you come back,
but there's a new sheriff in town. The Trump administration
since they got there, has shown a wonderful desire to
get rid of these people because you have to. You
have to get these cancers out of the government in
order to save the country. Democrats, in an effort to
try to get Trump, try to give their base a win,

(11:26):
they have left themselves exposed. Now we can take so
many of these cancers and not send them to Mexico
for two weeks. We can send them where they belong
to the unemployment line. This is a wonderful, wonderful thing,
and you should put a smile on your face. We're
in a very good place right now.

Speaker 4 (11:46):
How good of a place. But here's how Grandma Vodka's
taking it.

Speaker 11 (11:50):
The President has said, I hear what they're saying. It's
all unseerious and ridiculous. In fact, I've listened to their
and I tell them to go themselves. So that's the
I can't believe I use that word. My kids will
be shocked, my granduates be further shocked. I'm just quoting

(12:10):
the President of the United States, and so I think
the leverage springs not from any shared values with him,
if that's what he thinks healthcare is about, and yourself,
but that it is something that they're hearing from constituents
that they do not want to see the healthcare costs

(12:31):
go up if the Affordable Care Act subsidies.

Speaker 9 (12:34):
Are not.

Speaker 4 (12:38):
It's wonderful.

Speaker 1 (12:39):
And hey, don't worry about those potty words, Grandma vodka.
We all get a little loose in the tongue when
the dakila starts greasing up the joints.

Speaker 4 (12:48):
Oh, that may have made you uncomfortable, but I am right.

Speaker 1 (12:51):
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Speaker 7 (13:56):
We're in this position because Senate Democrats decided that we're
going to shut down the government despite the fact that
the House voted to keep the government open.

Speaker 1 (14:05):
Okay, what's the real skinny on what's going on here?
I told you my thoughts. I think Democrats are desperate
for a win with their rabid base, and so they're
just committing political suicide.

Speaker 4 (14:16):
But I don't know.

Speaker 1 (14:16):
You know, Tim will give it to a straight joining
me now, great Congressman from the state of Tennessee, Tim Burchett,
all right, you're always honest with us, and we love that.
What's the real game? What's happening here?

Speaker 9 (14:27):
I think y'all both are right. I think what I
really think is Chuck Schumer. You know, a Keem Jeffries
is out of the picture. The House has already done
their thing. They've already voted to shut the thing down.
They can't run from that. Then they can go on
ABCC and n CBS or NBC all they want, or
the View and tell everybody that's not the case. But

(14:49):
just look at the numbers. I think Chuck Schumer is
looking at his rearview mirror and he who does he's
to see back there, he sees aoc as I call
her Cortes, and he is afraid, bigger than life, that
she is going to run against him, because you know,
good and well, she'll raise millions overnight. Hollywood, college kids,

(15:15):
Marxists all over the country will give her money. And
Schumer is you know, he's been a classic liberal for
most of his career. He's even been fairly moderate back
in the day when he first got up there. You
can find some old clips of him countering, you know,
counter countering everything he said there. He looks like an
invalid almost with that I must see Algreen Kane is

(15:38):
in front of him. But you know he needs to
get go back back home and flip ral Hamburgers with
his grandkids, you know, you know, with with cheese on him,
because he is a complete farce. And the reason he's
doing it he sees what's going on in New York.
He sees that a Marxist communist is going to win,

(16:00):
and that scares him to death because that's not part
of his base, and so he's just throwing everything out.
He'll throw the country down the sewer. And these Democrats
are walking the plank because they haven't thought for themselves
and so long, you know, I mean, just look at
these people. They're so old and out of touch with
what's going on in this country that they're going to

(16:20):
shut this country down to give health care to illegals.
They're going to take fifty billion dollars real health care.
What you got some god fearing little pregnant woman up
here in the mountains somewhere, her and her family, and
they're going to cut her health care off because they
want to give it to illegals.

Speaker 4 (16:39):
No, that ain't happening.

Speaker 9 (16:41):
And all the things they want to put back in,
the transgendered surgery, everything else, it's just pathetic. Shimmer needs
to go to the house. He's way past his expiration date.
And this is just part of the game they're playing,
and they're going to wreck this country doing it. It's
all a diversion, it's all it's about out. He is

(17:02):
playing the game and he's losing. He is losing right now.

Speaker 1 (17:09):
Yeah, he's a total lizard person who doesn't actually believe
in anything at all. This dynamic where these, like you said,
probably fairly moderate lead people in leadership in the Democrat
Party are now afraid of the animals that make up
the Democrat base. Do you see this playing out over
and over again in the party, because from the outside

(17:29):
looking in, it looks like they're all that way.

Speaker 4 (17:31):
It looks like, if.

Speaker 1 (17:32):
You're a senior Democrat, you feel like you have to
basically get to the left of Karl Marx in order
to keep your seat.

Speaker 4 (17:39):
And it's just burning the party down.

Speaker 3 (17:41):
It is.

Speaker 9 (17:42):
It's a you know, it's the carrot and the stick.
They use it very well. They reward you with the carrot,
or they may show of the head with the stick,
and that's exactly what they're doing now. They just if
one goes left, they go left plus one, you know.
And the laves they're telling they're just and they're easily
approved because for so long they were you know, the

(18:03):
view was basically you know, their test market, and they
could put anything out and they just regurgitate all their
false narratives out, but nobody's buying it anymore. People are
looking at the fiacs. They're seeing this thing, they're seeing, Hey,
this got Trump actually makes a little bit of sense.
You know, people ought not beyond medicaid or Medicare that

(18:25):
are froligently there. They should have to look for work
twenty hours a week. Twenty hours a week. You tell
a single mom that who's busting her butt with three jobs,
got a couple of kids because she's got a dirtbag
old man that won't pay anything, and you know that
she's got to do that, and then they're going to
just take from her and give to these illegals that

(18:46):
just ain't flying anymore. Brother, it is not flying, and
America's woke up. The best friend the Democrat Party has,
though as the Republican Party, we're the worst at messaging.
You know, it's a simple message and it's easily provable.
I put that out on my Twitter, on my ex
account at Tim Burchett. I had a little video as
going to speak to an Evan as in a passion receipt.

(19:06):
Of course going to be illegal if has a driver's seat.
But I put that out about what's going on with
this shutdown? A million, one point five million views in
two days. America is hungry for what we're what we're
telling them because they know it's the truth, and they've
been fed lives all along.

Speaker 4 (19:26):
Ye people were dying for the truth. Jim, I know
you're a busy man. Appreciate your brother as always. Come
back soon, please, All right?

Speaker 1 (19:35):
What's going on with China and Taiwan? From what I understand,
it involves fairies. We're going to talk to him in
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We'll be back, okay. So what's going on with China

(21:04):
in Taiwan? I feel like we've had this talk several
times before. We all know China wants it. Frankly, they
already consider it theirs. Taiwan does not consider themselves Chinese.
But now we find out China's building up their commercial
faerie fleet.

Speaker 4 (21:18):
What does that mean?

Speaker 1 (21:19):
I guess we're going to talk fairies with Lee Smith,
my friend joining me now, author of the book The
China Matrix. Hey Lee, what's up with China and all
these fairies?

Speaker 4 (21:28):
Jesse?

Speaker 12 (21:29):
I am always honored to be on with you speaking
about fairies, and especially when there's a relationship to China.
China and fairies. That's that's my beat to China faery beating. Look,
the big thing, the big thing about Taiwan here, Taiwan
is important. The first island chain is important. What Donald

(21:49):
Trump is focusing on with the tariffs and with a
trade war. Is this The reason that China has a
very powerful military, is building a very powerful navy is
because of the trade and balance, which is now worth many,
many trillions of dollars. That's all American dollars that American
political and corporate elites have given away to the People's

(22:13):
Republic of China. So without that money, China can't build
its military. That's the most fundamental problem. There's no doubt
that Taiwan is very, very crucial for a whole bunch
of different reasons. But the big thing that needs to
be addressed is we have to find a way to
strip China of its ability to take billions, hundreds of

(22:37):
billions away from the United States each year.

Speaker 1 (22:41):
Okay, Lee, So they want the military for Taiwan, right,
This isn't just a show of force, because honestly, it's
been going on so long. They're building up. They're gonna
take Taiwan. They're building up, They're gonna take Taiwan. It
almost feels like they don't necessarily want Taiwan at this
point in time.

Speaker 4 (22:58):
Why haven't they just taken it?

Speaker 12 (23:00):
I mean, among other reasons. It's not that easy because
they're not quite sure how the United how Donald Trump
would respond. I think they'd have a pretty good idea
of it was Joe Biden or Barack Obama who's in charge,
because remember the different ways which I document in the
China Matrix about how the Asia pivot, the Obama Administration's

(23:21):
Asia pivot actually meant nothing right.

Speaker 4 (23:23):
It was strictly rhetorical.

Speaker 12 (23:24):
All the different things that the Chinese Navy, the Chinese
Air Force were doing in the Indo Pacific theater. There
was virtually no pushback from Obama, no pushback from Biden.
But with Donald Trump, it's different. The Chinese don't know
exactly how Donald Trump would respond because remember the different
things that Donald Trump has I wouldn't say thrown down

(23:48):
the gauntlet, but has proven that America is willing to
use force. There of course, was Operation Midnight Hammer obliterating
Around's nuclear program, and then there's the stuff that Donald
Trump is but there's the arming Ukraine and this stuff
that Donald Trump has been saying threatening of Vladimir Putin
to bear down and get in line.

Speaker 1 (24:11):
Lee, What can we do to China if they decide
to go after Taiwan and we want to hurt them.
It's long been a traditional way of thinking that we
would have a very difficult time projecting power over there
and then put a difficult time projecting power over here.
What can we do to them and what are we
willing to do is how we rely on them economically.

Speaker 12 (24:33):
Well, it's not just economically. I mean we have a
we have a very big problem. We have a very
powerful navy. But it's important to remember.

Speaker 13 (24:41):
That the.

Speaker 12 (24:43):
Chinese destroyed our steel industry. You're not destroyed it, but
they hobbled it badly by dumping a whole bunch of
steel here. Look, we still have an extremely powerful navy,
and that's how we project force around the globe. So
that's certainly what the Chinese are concerned about, and that's
at the forefront of the thinking of American military planners.
It's our navy and it's our air force. That's how

(25:05):
we project power globally.

Speaker 1 (25:08):
Lee has President Trump, and I understand it is a
needle to thread, I really do. We can't just get
off the China drug overnight. Actually we were on China drugs,
but that's another story entirely. We can't just get off
it overnight. But has he been hard enough on China?
Has he been too hard on China? I know he's

(25:28):
trying to navigate quite a minefield here.

Speaker 12 (25:31):
Well, look, the very important thing is it's not just
being hard on China. It's being hard on American companies.
And that's one of the reasons why Donald Trump celebrates
Tim Cook. Remember he was at the Joint Session of
Congress back in February, and Tim Cook has visited the
White House since then, the head of Apple. Because Donald
Trump is trying to get American companies to move back

(25:54):
to the United States. When we talk about the trade
and balance with China, what people need to understand is
a big chunk of that trade and balance is with
American companies and other Western companies who have moved their
manufacturing to China. This is crucial to understand. It's Americans
who are selling out not just American workers, but endangering

(26:18):
American national security, our peace and prosperity by moving their
manufacturing to China. So he does definitely have some leverage
over that, and that's why he's again why he celebrates
Tim Cook, saying this is a good guy who's done
the right thing. So yeah, through a combination of sticks
and carrots. The President of the United States certainly has

(26:39):
some control, has a lot of control over what these
Western companies are doing in China.

Speaker 1 (26:48):
Don't pick up the China matrix, by the way, if
you want to. It's endlessly complicated affair. Speaking of an
affair that's I don't know, I guess less complicated in
my mind. What is this twenty point plan for peace
in Gaza? From my understanding, and you obviously can correct
me if I'm Wrongly, Hamas has lost eighty percent of
their territory, which means they've lost god knows how much

(27:09):
of their fighting force they are.

Speaker 4 (27:12):
That's about at the end.

Speaker 1 (27:13):
I would say they don't have any options left, right,
setting aside all personal preferences, what options they even have?

Speaker 12 (27:22):
Well, I think that's right, and that's what this is.
It's basically terms of surrender. The problem is is that
Hamas is ideological right and to surrender, to surrender to
the Zionist enemy and it's great Satan superpower sponsor is
a big problem, right, because that's not just losing that's

(27:43):
not just losing its forces, that's also losing a tremendous
amount of prestige. So whether Hamas can accept these terms
of surrender, that's the big question on everyone's mind. And
I think that Donald Trump believes they will not do it.
And that's why the return of the hostages, that's why
that so important. Look, the Israelis can walk away, can
certainly declare it a huge win if they get all

(28:06):
of their hostages back within the seventy two hours once
this deal is accepted. Right, that's the crucial part because
that's the most real thing, forty eight hostages. A lot
of the other stuff is fake, frankly, whether we're talking
about whether we're talking about an error protection force, whether
we're talking about the different ways that Hamas leaders can

(28:28):
renounce violence and adopt a peaceful way. I mean, that's
really just you know, bells and whistles. The key thing
is whether Hamas will release the forty eight hostages, most
of whom are dead. But that's the key. If that happens,
then they can move on and we'll see what else happens.

(28:49):
But that's the crucial part. And again I suspect they
will not, But if they do, then it's another win
for Donald I mean, either way, it's a win for
the United States. It's a win for the Trump administration
either getting the hostages back or not getting the hostages back,
and as Trump is said, unleashing Israel to do what
it needs to do in Gaza to destroy a terrorist entity.

Speaker 1 (29:12):
Lee, I understand, Israel is complicated in the way every
single country is complicated. There's not one political party, there's
not one thing that drives them. So when I say Israel,
I understand, I'm being making it a little too simplistic.
But do you think Israel wants this deal to go through?
Because if you've almost conquered your enemy, let's call it

(29:33):
eighty percent, your enemy is almost gone, why would you
want to sign a piece deal?

Speaker 4 (29:39):
Now? Why wouldn't they just want to finish the job?

Speaker 13 (29:43):
Well?

Speaker 12 (29:43):
Because if they FMAS does fulfill these obligations, then that's
a big win. Getting those hostages back. It's very important,
not just for the government, it's very important for the
Israeli public.

Speaker 4 (29:56):
And just you're exactly right.

Speaker 12 (29:57):
There's a lot of different opinions, there's a lot of
different political parties in Israel, but everyone would consider that
a big win, and the Israelis would be happy to
take what they have right now, as a win and
getting rid of Hamas and getting the hostages back. And
I also suspect that the official Israel, the government Israel,

(30:18):
probably believes, along with President Trump, that Hamas is not
going to accept these terms of surrender.

Speaker 1 (30:27):
Lee, before I let you go, just something it's been
on my mind since October seventh, among other things, is
you say Hamas is ideological, and obviously that's true, but okay,
it is ideological. You know isis is ideological. And yet
while these organizations will do very stupid, insane things, they're
selective because they understand risks. You know, they understand you

(30:50):
can hit here, you can't hit there, you can hit here.

Speaker 4 (30:52):
Maybe don't take it too far.

Speaker 1 (30:55):
How in the world could you be so dumb is
to think you could launch a raid and slaughter a
thousand people on a military superior force and get anything
other than what they've gotten. I just don't understand strategically
the way of thinking. I don't understand it.

Speaker 13 (31:09):
Well.

Speaker 12 (31:09):
You know, there are some speculation, and there's some evidence
for this as well, that this was an attack that
was supposed to be joined by Hesbalah and the Islamic
Republic of Iran, and had they been moving on multiple fronts.
That would have been very, very bad for Israel, but
Hamas went through.

Speaker 4 (31:26):
With it, you know.

Speaker 12 (31:28):
But nonetheless, Jesse, I mean Hamas still considers this a
big win. I mean, killing that many people, killing that
many Jews, they consider that an enormous win. And they
consider a win right now to be holding onto the
hostages because.

Speaker 13 (31:42):
Their hatred just the idea that they can And again
it's affecting not just Israelis and not just Jews around
the world that people of good conscience.

Speaker 12 (31:54):
At the top of that list is Donald Trump, who's
the world's institutional memory of October seventh. He keep has
to remind, he reminds the press all the time about
what happened. And people are just so grossed out and
so morally and spiritually degrading the idea that they're holding
these people, they're holding corpses, and they're torturing them, they're
making them dig their own graves. So yeah, unfortunately for Hamas,

(32:16):
they consider that a win too. To horrify people, that's
a big part of terror, to scare people and to
horrify people.

Speaker 1 (32:26):
What a world Lee His book is The China Matrix.
I Love Everything, rewrites highly recommend you go pick it up.

Speaker 4 (32:32):
Thank you, brother, I appreciate it. All right.

Speaker 1 (32:35):
We're gonna touch on the Supreme Court real quick with
Bill Jacobs and figure out exactly what's.

Speaker 4 (32:40):
Going on there. What should we be looking forward to
or dreading? I know what, I know what.

Speaker 1 (32:44):
I look forward to paying my cell phone bill. Isn't
that a weird thing to say? Why would why would
you ever look forward to paying a bill? Paying bill
sucks because I pay so much less than I used to.
We had T Mobile as a family. We have four lines,
four of us, and I would get the text message
notifications when it was time to pay the bill, and

(33:06):
every single month I would get mad. I would look
to mortify by the whole thing. But I pay half
of that now. And it's not just that I pay
half of what I was paying before. I pay a
company that shares my values and promotes my values, our values.

Speaker 4 (33:24):
Pure Talk. They believe in America, they believe in veterans.

Speaker 1 (33:28):
They are so patriotic they hire Americans even in customer service.

Speaker 4 (33:32):
Nobody does that anymore.

Speaker 1 (33:34):
They all farm it out to some third world dump
where nobody speaks English.

Speaker 4 (33:37):
Not pure Talk. Switch if you want a new phone,
they got it.

Speaker 1 (33:41):
You want to keep your phone? Doo want to keep
your number? They make it pain free. Switch if for
no other reason than to save money. Puretalk dot com
slash jessetv will be bad. Supreme Court is about to

(34:03):
begin another term. I don't understand these terms. I don't
understand what they're doing when they're not in terms, and
I also don't understand what's coming in this term. But
I don't have to understand any of that because Bill
Jacobson understands at all.

Speaker 4 (34:15):
Joining me now, Cornell University law.

Speaker 1 (34:18):
Professor, the Great Bill Jacobs and Bill, what is a
Supreme Court term?

Speaker 4 (34:23):
And what do they do when they're not in their term?

Speaker 14 (34:26):
Well, they still do some work. They still have emergency motions.
But the term really is just when they hear oral
arguments and it starts first week in October and it
runs through potentially June. So that's what they call a term,
and they're essentially off for the summer, but they're working
over the summer. So term is just a docketing method

(34:48):
to get things on the calendar.

Speaker 4 (34:51):
Okay, so the term is just a term.

Speaker 1 (34:53):
Just see what I do, all right, So what's coming
up for this term?

Speaker 14 (34:58):
Well, we've talked about this before for the tariffs. The
Trump tariffs is probably the most economically significant case that
we're going to face, and that has to do with
whether President Trump, when he imposed the emergency tariffs, exceeded
his authority. There are two issues there. One is did
he properly invoke there being an emergency? I think the

(35:21):
Supreme Court's going to say that decision is up to
the president. But the more interesting one, which is where
he lost in the federal court below, is whether tariffs
are even a remedy under this emergency statute. And what
they held below in the Federal Court of Appeals was

(35:42):
that even if he properly invoked the emergency, tariffs is
not one of the remedies. Tariffs are reserved for Congress.
The statute doesn't mention tariffs, so he exceeded his authority.
I think it's going to be a close call. I
think it's going to be a close call. I don't
know which way that one's going to go. But his
entire economic agenda, in many ways, or at least a

(36:05):
significant part of it, is built around the tariffs. So
this is a very high stakes case.

Speaker 1 (36:11):
Okay, so help me understand this bill, because you're right,
it's always tariff this and tariff that, and we got
a new deal with this country, in a new deal
with that country, we.

Speaker 4 (36:20):
Struck a deal with the UK.

Speaker 1 (36:22):
Does that mean if they rule against him, that all
that stuff becomes unraveled?

Speaker 4 (36:27):
Is that what that means? It could?

Speaker 14 (36:29):
Yeah, I mean people are talking about perhaps, you know,
hundreds of billions of dollars in tariffs that have been
collected are going to have to be returned to people.
So yes, it's very high stakes. If they rule that
what he did was without authority, then it all comes apart.

Speaker 4 (36:49):
All right, Lisa Cook? How is Lisa Cook still with
the Fed? How is this possible?

Speaker 14 (36:55):
Well, she's appointed as FED governors are to fourteen year
terms and president can only remove somebody for cause. That's
the term in the statue. And the issue is whether
she was removed for cause. The lower courts held that
whatever she did before she became a FED governor cannot
be caused to terminate her, and what she allegedly did

(37:17):
to be determined. But the accusation is that she committed
mortgage fraud, that she pulled What is being accused I
think it's of Adam schiff claiming two primary residences. Whether
she did it or she didn't is a different issue,
But the judge below said that even if it was,
that was long before she became a FED governor, and

(37:38):
you can't use something that they did prior to becoming
a governor has caused to terminate. I don't know which
way that's going to go. That has most of the
cases when it comes to firings have gone Trump's way
in the Supreme Court. But this one's a little different
because it's the FED. It's a separate statute. It's an
more independent than some of the other suppose independent agencies.

(38:02):
And I think it's going to turn on what does
cause mean under the statute. I think Trump's going to
win that one. You know, no guarantees, don't put money
on it, but I think he's going to win it
because I think it's the analogy is if you conceal
something during the employment hiring process that, had it been disclosed,

(38:23):
would have disqualified you from the job. The fact that
your employer finds out about it after you're hired, I
think is still caused to terminate. So I think he's
going to win this one. But as with anything in
the courts, you can never predict to a certainty. But
I think he's going to win that one.

Speaker 1 (38:40):
Bill switching here, Sorry, we're moving fast, but it's going
to be a busy term. There's two gender identity cases.
I hate even using that stupid word, but what's what
are we looking at here?

Speaker 14 (38:54):
Yeah, there are two cases in the Supreme Court. My
group Equal Protection Project happens to have submitted briefs on
each one that have to do with state laws requiring
that for girls sports, that whether your female or your
male has to be based on biology, has to be
based on reality, and lower courts held that that violated

(39:19):
the rights of people who don't want to do that.
The state legislatures didn't have that power. I think that's
going to go the way of the legislatures. I think
that to have any other standard other than a fact based,
reality based standard when it comes to sex discrimination, I
think would unravel Title nine, the sex discrimination Statue, the

(39:42):
federal law. So I think that particularly given the you
know courts as it is now, the Supreme Court, the six' three,
majority six supposed. Conservatives sometimes they, are sometimes they're. Not
BUT i think that's going to go the WAY i
think The court's going to, say at Under title, nine
you judge sex discrimination and the rights you have under

(40:05):
that statue based on, reality based on, biology not how you.
Feel SO i think that one is going to go
the way of the girls who are trying to protect
their sports against men who say they're girls participating in.
It SO i think that's going to be a big
win for girls in The Supreme.

Speaker 1 (40:22):
Court, finally voting rights. Cases there are three of. These
from my, understanding what's at stake?

Speaker 14 (40:30):
Here, Yeah, well the key one is out Of louisiana
and the issue is under The Voting Rights, act can
our states required to create majority minority districts so majority
essentially black, Districts and that was the. Issue in order

(40:50):
to comply with the, law do you have to engage
in racial? Gerrymandering do you have to take race into
account in order to create congressional? Districts and that's the.
Issue AND i think The Supreme, court's particularly in light
of the two thousand and twenty Three Affirmative action, RULING i,

(41:10):
think is going to, say, no you're not obligated to
create and you can't create congressional districts based on. Race
but that's just the legal part of. It the real
part of, it the political part of, it is that
this could Cause democrats throughout the country to lose several
congressional districts because when they are creating majority black, districts

(41:35):
The democrats have a stake because just given voting, patterns
that's likely to be A democrat. District so that's what's
really at. Stake democrats couldn't care less about whether it's majority.
Minority what they want is a district they think will
vote Reliably, democrat and so that's what's really at. Stake
the legal context is The Voting Rights act and whether

(41:56):
you can racially gerrymannder congressional. Districts the real fight is
three to five seats might swing To republicans if The
democrats lose in The Supreme.

Speaker 4 (42:08):
Court so it's all about.

Speaker 1 (42:11):
Power like, always thank, You, BILL i appreciate you educating.

Speaker 4 (42:15):
Us, again let's still a light in the, mood a wonderful.
One next it's time to lighten the.

Speaker 1 (42:29):
Mood and there is obviously something about sick kids that
always tugs at every human being's. Heartstrings and you don't
ever want to see a child. Sick And trump signed
an executive order yesterday to accelerate pediatric cancer, research.

Speaker 4 (42:46):
WHICH i mean kids with. Cancers that's worse than.

Speaker 1 (42:49):
That and he brought a bunch of these wonderful children
into The White. House and it's very rare that somebody
steals the show From President, trump but it happened.

Speaker 4 (42:59):
Yesterday would anybody like to say?

Speaker 3 (43:02):
Something would?

Speaker 4 (43:03):
Anybody would you like to say?

Speaker 3 (43:05):
Something, Yes i'm a learning.

Speaker 15 (43:07):
Mage am a nine years old AND i WAS i
had a blood.

Speaker 3 (43:11):
Cancer called leukemia WHEN i was on two years.

Speaker 15 (43:13):
OLD i HAD i had to get treated at seven.

Speaker 3 (43:17):
Different hospitals across this, country AND i had to have.

Speaker 15 (43:22):
Two remember of transplants from one from my dad and
one for my.

Speaker 3 (43:26):
Mom AND i had to spend many.

Speaker 15 (43:28):
Days in the night in the hospital getting pokies and yukie.

Speaker 3 (43:31):
Medicine and me and my parents are very.

Speaker 15 (43:34):
Worried AND i had to go through those seven different
hospitals to find the best treatment that can make me.
Better and thank, you Miss refred as a resident for
making everything happen today so kids like me and lare
we can still be living today in.

Speaker 4 (43:51):
Speaking and you feeling good?

Speaker 3 (43:55):
Now y are you all?

Speaker 10 (43:56):
Better you're pretty pretty close, Right, yeah, YEAH i hear
you're going to do.

Speaker 14 (44:01):
Good good.

Speaker 3 (44:01):
Afternoon my name Is Carolyn.

Speaker 16 (44:03):
Hendrix WHEN i was four years, OLD i was diagnosed
with you in, sarcoma a pediatric bone. Cancer eleven years,
Later i'm now sixteen years old And i'm doing. Great
what you're doing, today Mister, president means that kids like
me will get better options in so much more hope
for the, future Mister. President because of actions like, this
kids like me have the chance to grow up.

Speaker 3 (44:25):
To chase our dreams into live full.

Speaker 16 (44:27):
Lives and that's the greatest gift anyone could.

Speaker 4 (44:29):
Act Get, well that was so.

Speaker 10 (44:31):
Cool when did you learn how to speak like?

Speaker 16 (44:34):
That i've done lots of speeches for childhood cancer over
the last few, years And i'm also in a theater.

Speaker 14 (44:41):
Program so that is fair.

Speaker 10 (44:42):
Good, yeah, sir go.

Speaker 17 (44:44):
Ahead i've Been I've i've had a brain too since
last four. Months, Now i'm off, Brain i'm off all.
Medicines i'm a cancer. Survivor i've had a brain too
since a four months And i'm doing. Great i'm fifteen
now And i'm gone to.

Speaker 10 (44:57):
Ten you're gonna be a football player offensive.

Speaker 4 (44:59):
Life that's. Wonderful i'll see them an.

Speaker 3 (45:12):
Mm hmmmm mmm mm hmmm
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