August 27, 2025 • 45 mins
Jesse Kelly takes a hard look at the chaotic U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan. Four years later, Jesse demands accountability for the decisions that shaped the exit, diving into the political, military, and human consequences that still ripple today. With his unflinching perspective, he examines who should answer for the fallout, what lessons remain ignored, and how it impacts America's path forward. Featuring special guests Sarah Adams and Jerry Dunleavy.
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
Let's talk about our obligation to a country and a country's.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Obligation to us.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
When I say I'm talking about citizens, we're about to
talk about Abbygate Afghanistan. You see, it's there are just
some realities of life. And one of those realities of
being a citizen, small tribe, big country is it's going
to be younger people who fight wars, just this.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
It's a young man's game, as they say, And it's.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Going to be older people who direct wars, younger people
who fight in them, younger people who die in them.
What's that old saying? Stop my saying. War is old
men talking and young men dying.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
So I get that. I understand that, But.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
We still have to understand that the country you die for,
the tribe you die for, as obligations to you, as
a young soldier, as a young marine who, whatever you
may be, the country has an obligation to you. Yes,
you may die in combat, but your country owes you
two things, two things. One, don't throw my life away
(01:19):
with negligence, with corruption, evil, don't throw it away I
may have to die, but don't throw it away, don't
make it nothing. And two, if I lose my life
for my country. My country owes me a debt of gratitude.
They do. The rest of the country needs to see
(01:41):
that to inspire more future patriots. My family left behind
needs to see that if you die for your country,
you deserve to not have your life thrown away, and
your country owes you a debt of gratitude. The men,
the old men who sent you to die, should speak
(02:01):
your name, should honor your sacrifice. That is how it
should work, whether it's a major country or a tiny tribe.
And today's the four year anniversary of Abbygate, and neither
of those two things happened for our brave thirteen warriors
who gave up their lives on that day. Just a
little recap, a little refresher. I know you already know,
(02:22):
but we left Afghanistan. Why did we leave the way
we left? Because we were already going to go Trump
had already said, hey, twenty twenty one, we're gonna get out.
Why did we leave the way we left? Well, this
is another one of those things that just makes you
makes your head want to explode. The bad deministration knew
we were coming up on the anniversary of September eleventh.
(02:45):
All they cared about were poll numbers, approval ratings. Didn't
care about lives lost, sacrifices made. These things never occurred
to those demonic communists. They wanted something to celebrate on
September eleventh, so they simply issue the order. State Department
simply issued the order. Hey, everyone get out. Wait, what
(03:07):
when now we're just leaving? What about all the equipment? No,
leave it? We're leaving, okay? What about what about the
terrorists we have locked up at Bagra Mair Force Base.
Who cares let them out? We're leaving, okay, And so
we left, and just the callousness of the people who
(03:30):
run this country. We leave right when basically the entire
Biden administration goes on vacation. Do you remember that I
haven't forgotten? As we leave and Afghanistan begins to fall
immediately to the Taliban, immediately, Joe Biden goes on vacation. Surprise, surprise,
he was always on vacation. Secretary of State Anthony Blincoln
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goes on vacation. Jensaki, White House Press set goes on vacation.
You can't even get a hold of anybody. We leave,
The countries collapse, and there's the hello, anybody there nobody's there,
even at the White House, so it looks bad. The
United States of America just caused the country's collapse after
occupying it for twenty years. They dragged poor Joe Biden
(04:16):
off the beach to sit down with committed communist George
Stephanopolis in this as our country, as we're watching our
country be embarrassed. This was the answer of the President
of the United States of America.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
But we've all seen the pictures. We've seen those hundreds
of people packed into a C seventeen. We've seen Afghan's.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
Falls four days ago, five days ago.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Makes me so angry.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
It's four or five days ago. I was stressing about
four or five days ago, evil people. And so what
happened from there, well, that's what brought us to this tragedy.
You see, we have had a very secure Air Force
base Bogram, a secure place to conduct operations, honestly, to
(05:06):
get out of the country, to evacuate safely, smartly. We
had a secure place. Biden administration handed that to the animals.
So then they didn't like the optics of people falling
from C one thirties, and they decided they had to
do something, and so they just grabbed a bunch of Marines, sailors,
Army troops and sent them into a civilian air force
(05:31):
a civilian air base, not an air base, sorry, civilian airport.
It's not even an air base. They tried to make
it an air base. You know, you try to secure it,
but you've been to civilian airports before. They're not made
to be secured in the same way a military base
is made to be secured. It's just you don't have
the facilities there to make it that way. And it
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ends up we have a bunch of our troops standing
in crowds of peace. Oh remember those bad guys we
let out of jail and BOGRAM. Yeah, there were a
bunch of Isis guys in there.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
Now.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
I don't know that we have confirmation on this, but
some Isis sky, whether he was on BOGRAM or not,
shows up with a suicide vest full of ball bearings
and incinerates thirteen of our troops men and women. By
the way, remember we do have testimony that we had
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the guy in our sites. We had a Marine Corps
sniper who had the guy on our sites, requested permission
to shoot before he blew himself up. Permission was denied.
After thirteen of our troops had their lives thrown away,
absolutely thrown away, the President of the United States of
(06:53):
America stumbled up to the podium, and this has helped
went the attack.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
My group known as isis K took the lives of
American service members standing guard at the airport and wound
it several others. Seriously, we have so much to do,
so then our capacity to do it. We just have
(07:19):
to remain steadfast, steadfast, ladies and gentlemen. They gave me
a list here. The first person I was instructed to
call on was Kelly O'donnald NBC.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
They gave me a list. The first person I was
instructed to call on. That was the press conference the
Commander in chief gave. After we threw away the lives
of thirteen of our best then almost almost salt in
an open wound, their bodies came home. Try to imagine
(08:02):
what that would be like for a parent, the agony
that they still go through right now as you're watching
four years later.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Don't think that that's gone away.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
You're watching me right now, there's still in agony, anguish,
very brutal day the bodies come home. You show up
a flag draped coffin the President of the United States
shows up and spends his time checking his watch. It
didn't go well.
Speaker 5 (08:31):
He talked a bit more about his own son than
he did my son, and that didn't sit well with me.
Speaker 6 (08:37):
In reference to the checking of his watch. That didn't
happen just once. That happened on every single one that
came out of that airplane. It happened on every single
one of them. They would release the salute, and he
looked down at his watch on every last month, on
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all thirteen he looked down at his watch.
Speaker 5 (09:03):
I actually leaned into my son's mother's ear and I said,
I swear to God, if he checks his watch one
more time, and that was only probably four times in
I couldn't look at him anymore after that. Just considering
especially the time and why we were there, it was
I found to be the most disrespectful thing I've ever seen.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Thirteen bodies, the old man who sent them to die
as they.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Got off the plane.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Oh man, how much longer we're gonna.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Wrap this up?
Speaker 1 (09:38):
Putting in time? Oh gosh, another one brutal, so outrageous.
And then and then then we incinerated ten innocent people.
The administration, once again chasing approval numbers poll numbers, sent
a reaper drone and we nooked ten afgame of them,
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adorable children, completely innocent. And the Chairman of the Joint
Chiefs at the time, Mark Milly, after we just incinerated
innocent children, got on TV and said this.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
Were there are others killed. Yes, there are others killed.
Who they are?
Speaker 1 (10:18):
We don't know.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
We'll try to sort through all that, but we believe
that the procedures at this point, I don't want to
influence the outcome of an investigation, but at this point
we think that the procedures were correctly followed and it
was a righteous strike.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
A righteous strike. Dead kids, all that tragedy, all that embarrassment,
all that sadness. And the old men who sent those
people to die, what kind of remorse did they feel?
And by the way, before I play you this, remember
that for most of this country's history, commanders and politicians
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who send young men to die, it eats at them
when those.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
Young men die.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Do you have any idea how many World War Two
commanders of various kinds, admirals, generals later on committed suicide
because of the remorse they felt for men who died
under their command. That's the kind of old men we
used to have.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
This is what we had. Then.
Speaker 7 (11:20):
Do you have regrets about their withdrawal or how the
withdrawal occurred from Afghanistan that cost the lives of thirteen
of our service members.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
I don't have any regrets.
Speaker 8 (11:29):
And so for all this talk of chaos, I just
didn't see it, not for my perch. At one point
during the evacuation, there was an aircraft taking off full
of people Americans and Afghanisa like every forty eight minutes,
and not one single mission was missed. So I'm sorry,
I just won't buy the whole argument of chaos.
Speaker 9 (11:46):
President, you need a failure in Afghanistan, mistakes.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
There was a report on Afghanistan and withdraw saying that
was failure and mistakes.
Speaker 10 (11:55):
Do you want to meat there was mistakes during the withdrawal.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
Before all the way and was coming back to the
Remember what I said about Afghanistan. I said, al kinda
would not be there.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
I said it wouldn't be there.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
I said, we get help from the Taliban.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
What's happening now? What's going on?
Speaker 4 (12:13):
Read your press?
Speaker 2 (12:15):
I was right, it feels me, it was so much anger.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Four years later, the callousness threw their lives away, didn't
even honor them afterwards. Now, look, let's not make it
all bad. We do have a new Secretary of Defense
singing a much different tune.
Speaker 9 (12:39):
On behalf of this beautiful group, On behalf of these families,
On behalf of your loved ones, and fought for our nation.
America deserves answers as far as.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
What happened in Afghanistan.
Speaker 9 (12:49):
The military needs to answer for what's happened in Afghanistan. So,
upon the President's direction, immediately we initiated an investigation which
showed that there needed an even deeper dive.
Speaker 10 (12:59):
So Sean and now or Pentagon.
Speaker 9 (13:00):
Spokesman, who himself is an Afghanistan veteran, is leading this effort.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
It's a top priority for us.
Speaker 9 (13:06):
We're getting access to all documents necessary, why decisions were made,
why they weren't made, why certain force protection measures were ignored. Again,
there's never been accountability for this. It's something that Joe
Biden allowed to happen that never should have happened. Anybody
who any objective observer knows that's not how you leave
a country.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
And certainly these families know better than anyone else.
Speaker 9 (13:26):
These families deserve answers.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
We're going to be honest about it.
Speaker 9 (13:29):
We're going to get to the bottom of it. Sean
Parnell and Afghanistan Vett is leading it, and we're doing
another half of the American people. So I would anticipate
middle of twenty twenty six. That's how thorough of the
review we're doing.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
It's good.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
It makes them feel better, and credit where it's to
President Trump, Vice President jd.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Vance. This is how it's done.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
Thank you very much.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
This is a very special group of people.
Speaker 4 (13:54):
I've been with them from the beginning. Abbigate.
Speaker 6 (13:57):
It's a four year anniversary, so.
Speaker 4 (13:59):
We're signing a proclamation honoring them and honoring you and honoring.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
You loved one.
Speaker 9 (14:05):
These families deserve answers. We're gonna be honest about it.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
We're gonna get to the bottom of it.
Speaker 10 (14:08):
And I know from this President is he's made a
commitment that memory will not be forgotten.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
We're so proud of you, We're so proud of your
loved ones forgiving their life for our country.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
This is a rectification of a wrong.
Speaker 9 (14:18):
We correct that wrong today that we're to keep on
fighting and to understand, as Pete said, what happens, so
it never happens to.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
An other family again. But God love you all, God
bless you. We're so thrilled to have you here in
the People's Oval office.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
That's well done.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Sarah Adams did her own investigation into all this.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
She has a lot to say thanks. I love sleeping.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
I love that feeling when you wake up in the
morning and you just know it's gonna be a good
day because I'm rested, and vice versa. When your eyes
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(15:44):
Go get a bag of dream powder. Okay, So let's
dig into what actually happened. Since we were lied to
by the Biden administration over and over and over again,
who was only worried about covering their own rear ends?
What happened, what happened at Abygate? What happened with the
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cisis guy joining me? Now, somebody who knows a lot
about this? She wrote, Well, Abby Gate, know thy enemy?
It is out now, Sarah Adams, Sarah, just talking about
this entire thing drives me freaking up the wall. First
of all, who are you? What your background? And introduce
yourself to the folks.
Speaker 10 (16:26):
Please, Yeah, just as a quick overview, I'm my former
CIA targeter. We actually carried an investigation identifying it's Harist
who did the attack in Benghazi back in twenty twelve,
and since then we've been doing a lot of different investigations.
We did abby Gate, we did the October seventh Hamas attack,
so it's just a continuation of our investigations.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Okay, so tell me about this investigation on Abby Gate whatever,
whatever you're allowed to tell me, of course, sources, how
you did it, what you found it, just lay it
all on us.
Speaker 10 (17:02):
Yeah. Well, really simply, we weren't even planning to do
this investigation. And then April of last year, the Scent
com put out bears and they had not even found
the true name of the suicide bomber, and so I
was like, well, how hard can it be? And so
we actually did some initial work and we found his
name within three weeks, and that's when I was like, Okay,
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we have to start investigating this ourselves to the government's
not doing it. So, as a lot of people know,
we've been running networks for the last ten years to
focus on the Bengazi side of thing. But after Kabble Felt,
all the terrorists shifted back to Afghanistans for all of
our networks now are in Afghanistan. So it's actually pretty
easy to collect because everybody's intermingling in the country, even
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in terras camps. Now it's not like just an al
Qaeda camp. There's five different terrorist groups in that camp.
So they've all kind of come together.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
Okay, first of all, who are the five terrorist groups?
And why could get answers?
Speaker 10 (18:02):
Yeah, well, when we talked about Abbi Gate, it's really interesting.
It was mostly plotted by Sharaji Dii na Khani, who's
the Taliban's Minister of Interior, but most Americans know him
as ahead of the Khani network. And then SnO Ulagafari,
who is the head of the Islamic State course on province.
But it is a lot of people know to commit
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a terrorist attack, you have to get a fatwa issued, right,
So they went to the Taliban's little political commission to
do so. But one person who was in the meeting
to approve the attack was Abdullah bin Laden, the son
of Pamza bin Laden. Okay, so now we have ice KP,
the Taliban, the Taliban's political Commission, and al Qaeda. Right,
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So that's already four groups involved. So it's very frustrating
that it's really been covered up. A lot of Americans
were kind of taught that this was like a loan
suicide attack, right and nothing like this. It came out
of nowhere, when actually the planning is very meticulous.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
Okay, I can you elaborate a little bit more on
isis K working with the Taliban, because she gets so
many conflicting reports on this that they're actually against each other,
that they're fighting ISIS is fighting Alkeeda, they're all fighting
the Taliban. No, they're working together. What is the true story?
Speaker 10 (19:23):
The true story? It really goes back to twenty fifteen.
Twenty fifteen, they basically put a council together called the
Shura muja Hadeen, and that council was ISIS, Taliban and
a number of other local groups to take on Afghan
security forces in the Afghan National Army. So that's when
the groups first came together to work on a joint cause.
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But this iteration started in twenty nineteen as Sharajidi in
Hakani was seeing the Djoha Deal put into place and
realizing he couldn't send his own suicide bombers and attackers
to do attacks. He needed a proxy. So he actually
took Gafari, who I told you is leading ice KP
from the Hakkani network, seated him into ISIS to use
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him as a proxy. And so that's now been going
on about six years. So he's basically just a front
man for the Hakani network inside of ISIS.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
Okay, what's the red umbrella?
Speaker 10 (20:22):
Yeah, the red umbrella is simply it was one of
those visual markers at Abby Gate. So you knew how
to get to like the Marines, to get out safely,
right if you're an American, if you had paperwork to
get in the gate. So it was one of those
symbols of hope. You knew when you got to it
there'd be a US Marine or some sort of military
person who would like take care of you and help
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you out. And so a lot of people in the
crowd obviously looked at this as a beacon of hope,
and I can maybe get out of Afghanistan, right if
I can get to these Marines.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Okay, what do we know about the bomber?
Speaker 10 (20:59):
So the bomber is really interesting. He, you know, was
an ISIS suicide bomber that first actually deployed to India
and he was supposed to do an attack in New Delhi.
He got caught by the Indians, deported, ended up in Bogram,
So he was in prison actually you know when we
were in country. But then he was released the night
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of August fifteenth by the Taliban because IKP chose him
and two others kind of as a suicide bomber cell
to be the attackers, and he ultimately was the one
asked to do the operation. So he'd been long in
Isis for probably about six seven eight years by that point,
so well trained.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
Okay, So could you explain why the Indians would deport
somebody who was in their country getting ready to incinerate
a bunch of women and kids instead of throwing him
in some dank Indian dungeon somewhere.
Speaker 10 (21:54):
Yeah, that would have been better. Unfortunately he was Afghan,
but we believe the CIA tick the Indians and the
CIA requests that he brought to bomber and then of
course they had no end game for him as you
can see, and he ended up released. Like a lot
of the terrorsts we caught over the years, unfortunately, they
really only spend time in prison five to seven years
for the most part.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Okay, So the goal of the Abby Gade attack? Was
it just chaos embarrassment? Was it just to kill people?
What was the goal?
Speaker 10 (22:23):
What do we think the goal was actually to harm
our troops if you actually look at some of the
people involved. You know, I talked about the masterminds where
there's a very interesting Terris involved who helped move the
bomber to Cobble and he's the son of Mullah Dadu
the Lang that was basically one of the most senior
operations we ever carried out against the Taliban commander when
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we killed his father, right, So there's also some personal
retribution inside of this attack that really nobody's been honest about,
you know, with those who've been impacted.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
Okay, uh, what could we have done to prevent this attack?
Could we have prevented it? I mean, obviously not giving
up Bogram would have been the best way to prevent it,
But is there a way we could have secured a
civilian airport.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
To have prevented this?
Speaker 10 (23:13):
The way? They didn't know because they announced the evacuation
on August thirteenth. The planning for the attacks started on
August fourteenth. We had such a hasty, thrown together evacuation plan.
There were so many holes in it that it was
so easy to take advantage of. And then our government
made our troops be on the other side of the Taliban.
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It was the Taliban who did the external security at
the airport. So because of how we set that up,
We had no plan, and then we relied on the Taliban. Unfortunately,
you know, our troops in all those innocent people were
sitting ducks right now. If they would have planned a
real evacuation months before, like they should have, it would
have been a different situation, but not in the way
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the hasty withdrawal happened.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
Did we try to cover up all this stuff afterwards?
Our government?
Speaker 10 (24:05):
I mean yeah, I one hundred percent think they did.
First off, our government definitely covered up. The Khanis were involved,
right I just told you strategy and that Khani was
one of the masterminds. Obviously most people know they covered
up a drone strike on an innocent you know, AID worker.
They were only told to tell the truth about it
when it got leaked to the press. And then, as
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I told you, one of Billaden's sons you know, was
involved in the plotting behind this. That alone shows that
they've covered up. And you know, even the commander who
told the suicide bomber, hey, you're in a good enough
spot to kill enough troops. That's the son in law
of doctor Iaman al Zaur Hiri, who was the current
head of all that at the time. So yes, this
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has been completely covered up, and they just want you
to believe this is an isis lone wolf right like
they did after the New Orleans attack in January, and
they just want you to be happy with that explanation
and this. Multiple groups work together on this, and they're
planning other things, and you need to be honest with
the public so they can see these tactics and be
prepared for what's.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Coming planning other things.
Speaker 10 (25:13):
Yeah, I mean, as you know, when we abandoned Afghanistan,
it became the base again through international terrorism where we
stopped actually doing strikes there. The last over the Horizon
strike was July twenty twenty two, So for three years,
the terrorists have been able to plot plan train unabated.
So they've been now deploying people to Europe, to the
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United States, and they are planning them a nine to
eleven style attack in the United States. And we're easily
able to get in over our borders, but also our
visa system, as most people know, it's very weak and
a lot of people get approved who shouldn't be approved
and who hate this country, and so we have a
lot of holes that we need to fill too.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
What about all those refugees we brought in when the
Biden administration just started chucking Afghanis in the back of
sea one thirties.
Speaker 10 (26:01):
Yeah, so that's a whole other issue. A huge percentage
of them we're never vetted. They never worked for the
US government. You know. In one situation, there was a
girl I rescued and she got to Romstein and she
called her brother from Romstein. He's like, how did you
get a phone. She's like, oh, I'm using one of
the US Army members. He's using me as his interpreter.
He said, isn't the place full of interpreters And she
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said no, we couldn't find any. She said, I'm talking
to these people. They never worked for the US government.
They won't look at me either, too extreme. They won't
speak to a woman, they speak no English. In another case,
one of my friends was an Era Marshall and he
flew a flight from Romstein to DC. In the middle
of the flight, they got called and said, oops, we
led a terrorists on the plane, but don't worry. You
can still land in DC with him. So they know
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they brought terraces and it's a huge problem and we
do need to go back and revet everybody brought out
in that hasty withdrawal because we did bring in the enemy.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Thank you, Sarah, I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
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mean I usually would tell you, I'm excited to talk
to Jerry, but this is such an awful subject. But
I'm not excited to talk about. But I am very
proud of him because there weren't very many entities out
there who were willing to hold the Biden administration accountable
after what they did at Abbey Gate, after what they
did in Afghanistan, and Jerry Dunleavy, my friend, was one
of them. He wrote the book. It is the book Cobble,
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the untold story of Biden's fiasco and the American warriors
who fought to the end. It's one to pick up.
I am warning you it's going to be bad for
your blood pressure.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
It was certainly bad for mine.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
This should be they should it should be reading in schools.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
It should be joining me now.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
Jerry Dunlevy, Jerry, Okay, why right book? I know you're
a writer anyway. I know you're a journalist at heart.
Unlike me, I'm just a big mouth. Why write a book?
It's a great question, you know.
Speaker 7 (29:12):
I I did not serve, but my brother did multiple
tours in Afghanistan, and I'm good friends with a lot
of people that did serve. During the post nine to
eleven wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, including my co author
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James Hassen, who did a tour in Afghanistan as well,
and of course my brother did multiple tours there. I
did feel a up so I did feel a personal
connection to the war, and for a very long time
it was clear that things were not going in a
good direction there. But in the summer of twenty twenty one,
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it became abundantly clear to me that this twenty year
war was going to end in disaster. And so I
was technically a DOJ reporter at the time, but I
told my editors, this is what I'm going to be
working on for the foreseeable future. And so unfortunately, I
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detailed the collapse and fall of Afghanistan, the Taliban takeover
and the debacle and the deadly abbigade attack, and you know,
I did everything that I could to cover the story,
and it became abundantly clear to me that there was
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not going to be accountability. Especially there was not going
to be any accountability for the generals and military commanders
and for the intelligence community, both of whom failed because look,
President Joe Biden obviously screwed this up in every way
that he possibly could, right, and Jake Sullivan and the
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NSC screwed up in every way they possibly could. The
State Department and Anthony Blincoln screwed this up as much
as they could. But we are four years out and
the military, so the military commanders like Chairman of the
Joint Chiefs Millie and the Commander of Sentcom at the time,
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General McKenzie, and the intelligence community, there has been no
accountability whatsoever. In fact, the Biden administration of course has
covered you know, was happy to cover for the military
and the IC on this, but some Republicans joined in
that as well. It was a simpler narrative to just
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kind of pinted on Biden and the silly folks at
the State Department and to let the military and the
IC skate on this. And the military and the ICY
played their parts in why everything went wrong in twenty
twenty one as well. And so I've been sort of
on a personal crusade since then to get that accountability,
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to get those answers, because you know, not to go
on my rant much longer here, but it's important to
get answers in accountability, not just for the thirteen who
died at abbigade in their families, and not just for
the twenty four hundred plus US troops who died in
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Afghanistan during those twenty years. It's also important because we're
going to be in another major war and the next
adversary that we fight, whether it's Iran or Russia or
especially China. You know, those folks are not the Taliban.
You know, the Taliban in many ways was tough and tenacious.
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But the next war that we're going to be and
it's going to be a lot tougher than the Taliban.
And if we don't learn these lessons, if the Pentagon
and the military in the IC don't admit that they
got this wrong, then we're going to be in a
world of hurt. And unfortunately, you know, when you're in
a war against a serious adversary like the Chinese, it's
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going to be more than thirteen people and potentially even
more than twenty four hundred people whose lives are going
to be at risk. So it's very important that we
get answers and hold people accountable.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
Here, Jerry, can you help me understand why we don't
get why no one seemed to be interested in holding
military accountable Intelligence accountable. I mean, I know you were
famously on the House Foreign Affairs Committee to the investigation
and then you bailed, you walked on it, and you
can talk about that, But why is there no interest
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in it? I mean, you look back at historic wars
like World War Two, it's almost like we were too
harsh on some of these military commanders. We'd court martial
them for mistakes and stuff like that. Now nobody did
anything wrong. Why what so?
Speaker 7 (34:03):
You know, for my best analysis and from my personal
experience being on Capitol Hill and being on this investigation, look,
the obviously the Biden administration in the left, they were
perfectly happy to run cover for the military and the IC. Now,
the Biden administration and people on the left weren't thrilled
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that Biden was being raked over the coals for this
and the State Department was being raked over the coals
for this. But look, if if they were able to
shield you know, half of the problem, then that's what
they were happy to do. It's more complicated on the right,
and it's it's it's frankly more frustrating to me that
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some folks on the right were willing to participate in
letting the military and the military commanders in generals especially
escape any accountability.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
For this.
Speaker 7 (34:55):
Part of it is I think that they wanted there
to be a simpler narrative. And the more are people
that you start to bring in to being responsible beyond
Biden and maybe his little inner circle of Blincoln and Sullivan,
the more complicated the political narrative gets. Part of it
also is that I think that some people on the
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right and some Republicans on Capitol Hill have sort of
perverted this idea of supporting the troops and supporting the
boots and supporting people in uniform, and they've taken that
which is extremely important and noble and extended that all
the way out to sort of the generals can do
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no wrong. And what I try to get across to
people is what you know, there are plenty of generals
that have served honorably and bravely and all of that,
But many generals have gotten to where they are because
they have been politicians. Unfortunately, to climb the ladder a
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lot of times to become a general, to get yourself
into these positions, you have to be a politician. And
we have to hold generals accountable the same way that
we would hold anyone else accountable. In fact, it's probably
more important because when other department heads or agencies or
whatever make mistakes, it's bad. You know, we lose money,
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there's fraud, there's abuse. When generals make mistakes, people's lives
are at risk. Troops of lives are at risk, the
success of missions and battles and wars are at risk.
And unfortunately the investigation that I was part of, which
was run at the time on the House Foreign Affairs
Committee by the then chairman McCall, they made a very
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explicit decision that they were going to pin this on Biden,
and they were going to pin this on the State Department,
and they were going to let the generals off hook.
And so they very explicitly decided to let Millie skate
and to let mackenzie skate. It's frustrating and it's dangerous,
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honestly for the future, you know, because this is a
this is a twenty year war that ended in defeat,
and there's you know, a lot of reasons, there's twenty
years of mistakes, but there were some real mistakes in
twenty twenty one that these that these generals made, and
that these commanders made, and so far, they haven't been
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held accountable. A bright spot in all of this, of course,
is that Secretary Pete Hegseth has launched his own investigation
inside the Pentagon where he has very directly said that
he wants to hold people responsible, that he wants to
get answers, that he wants accountability. That investigation that heg
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Seth launched just just started. But you know, there is
a real chance there to hold some folks accountable, and
so I'm cautiously optimistic about.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
That, Jerry. We spent all those years in Afghanistan, supposedly
training the Afghan security forces, the Afghan Army, training and
equipping them so they could fight on their own and
we could say goodbye. We said goodbye. I know, we
did it poorly in every sense of the word. We
said goodbye, and they collapsed in about five minutes.
Speaker 7 (38:28):
Why, it's a great question, and in fact, it's one
of the big things that former Chairman of the Joint
Chiefs of Staff Milli really needs to be held accountable for.
So he was as the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs
you are the top military advisor to the President of
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the United States, So at that time that was President
Joe Biden. Milly was out there in the summer of
twenty twenty one claiming that the Afghan the Afghan security
forces were three hundred and twenty five thousand to three
hundred and fifty thousand strong. Now everyone knows that that
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wasn't true. Everyone knew at the time that that wasn't true. Now,
the big fictional number that everyone had kind of settled
on in twenty twenty one was three hundred thousand. So
you had Biden and blink In and Sullivan and everyone
running around claiming that the Afghan military was three hundred
thousand strong. Millie was out there inflating an already fictional
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number up to three hundred and twenty five thousand or
three hundred and fifty thousand. In reality, the Afghan military
was vastly smaller than that. What they were able to
what was actually being fielded on a day to day basis,
was I would say by twenty twenty one, maybe half that, okay.
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And at the same time, folks like folks within the
Biden administration, including I believe Milli, were likely underestimating what
the Taliban was able to field. And so when you
do a net assessment, a serious net assessment. I think
of what the Afghan military was capable of in twenty
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twenty one and what the Taliban was capable of in
twenty twenty one, I think that the reality was that
the Taliban was much stronger than people were giving them
credit for, and the Afghan military was much weaker than
people were giving them credit for. You combine that with
the fact that, look, the US military had years to
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figure out how to try to support the Afghan how
to train the Afghan military to get them ready, and
then how to support them from Afar once we were gone,
because we had successive presidents Obama, Trump, and Biden who
were all signaling that they wanted to leave Afghanistan. And
yet the US military never figured out how to properly
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get this Afghan military to be cohesive. They never figured
out how to get them to function without US support.
And in fact, in many ways, the US military built
the Afghan military around US support. And so the US
in twenty twenty one quickly pulled not just our advisors
and our logistics and our ISR and our support and
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our maintenance support, and our support for their for their
air force and for their ground forces, pulled all of
this in rapid fashion, and it was clear that there
was no that there had been no real planning about
how to continue the Afghans, to continue to support the
Afghans from Afar, and so all this all collapsed very rapidly. Obviously,
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the Afghan forces shared their piece of the blame here,
but you know, as as as an American and as
the US had been there for twenty years, I think
that we need to look long and hard about why
the US military failed in its mission to feel the
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capable force that was able to sustain this. Now, one
thing that I always kind of try to tell people
is that another thing that Millie has led the way
on is claiming that the Afghan military collapse and the
Taliban took over in just eleven days. Now, look, the
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Taliban took over very quickly in twenty twenty one, but
you could track district by district the Taliban taking over
Afghanistan very very very soon after Biden's withdrawal order in
April and the US beginning and extremely rapid retrograde in
May of twenty twenty one, and so the Taliban started
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a serious onslaught in May, increased it in June increased
in July and then increased it again in August, with
great success by August fifteenth. But I don't want people
like Milli to get away with his inflation of the
size of the Afghan military, and I don't want him
to get away with this idea that well, this all
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just happened in eleven days in August of twenty twenty one,
so what can you do. We all saw it happening
starting in May, June, and July, and there were things
that the US could have done to stem the bleeding,
to stave off the Taliban advance, to get serious about
holding on to Bogram. As you saw the Taliban taking over.
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There were a lot of things that the US could
have done that we did not do. So I don't
want I don't want people like MILLI to get away
with just saying, well, it happened in like a week
and some change, so what can you do. There were
months where this was happening, where the ground was shifting
from underneath our feet, and we did not respond.
Speaker 1 (43:57):
We got away with enough. Jerry, thank you, brother off
as always appreciate you. Final thoughts. Next, I love feeling
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Abbegate families. They lost somebody precious to them and days
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like today hurt. They hurt extremely badly. Honor the fallen.
Pray for the families. Let's treat our future sacrifices better
than we.
Speaker 2 (45:34):
Treated the last ones. All right, we'll do it again.
Let's talk about our obligation to a country and a country's.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
Obligation to us.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
When I say I'm talking about citizens, we're about to
talk about Abbygate Afghanistan. You see, it's there are just
some realities of life. And one of those realities of
being a citizen, small tribe, big country is it's going
to be younger people who fight wars, just this.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
It's a young man's game, as they say, And it's.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
Going to be older people who direct wars, younger people
who fight in them, younger people who die in them.
What's that old saying? Stop my saying. War is old
men talking and young men dying.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
So I get that. I understand that, But.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
We still have to understand that the country you die for,
the tribe you die for, as obligations to you, as
a young soldier, as a young marine who, whatever you
may be, the country has an obligation to you. Yes,
you may die in combat, but your country owes you
two things, two things. One, don't throw my life away
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with negligence, with corruption, evil, don't throw it away I
may have to die, but don't throw it away, don't
make it nothing. And two, if I lose my life
for my country. My country owes me a debt of gratitude.
They do. The rest of the country needs to see
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that to inspire more future patriots. My family left behind
needs to see that if you die for your country,
you deserve to not have your life thrown away, and
your country owes you a debt of gratitude. The men,
the old men who sent you to die, should speak
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your name, should honor your sacrifice. That is how it
should work, whether it's a major country or a tiny tribe.
And today's the four year anniversary of Abbygate, and neither
of those two things happened for our brave thirteen warriors
who gave up their lives on that day. Just a
little recap, a little refresher. I know you already know,
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but we left Afghanistan. Why did we leave the way
we left? Because we were already going to go Trump
had already said, hey, twenty twenty one, we're gonna get out.
Why did we leave the way we left? Well, this
is another one of those things that just makes you
makes your head want to explode. The bad deministration knew
we were coming up on the anniversary of September eleventh.
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All they cared about were poll numbers, approval ratings. Didn't
care about lives lost, sacrifices made. These things never occurred
to those demonic communists. They wanted something to celebrate on
September eleventh, so they simply issue the order. State Department
simply issued the order. Hey, everyone get out. Wait, what
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when now we're just leaving? What about all the equipment? No,
leave it? We're leaving, okay? What about what about the
terrorists we have locked up at Bagra Mair Force Base.
Who cares let them out? We're leaving, okay, And so
we left, and just the callousness of the people who
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run this country. We leave right when basically the entire
Biden administration goes on vacation. Do you remember that I
haven't forgotten? As we leave and Afghanistan begins to fall
immediately to the Taliban, immediately, Joe Biden goes on vacation. Surprise, surprise,
he was always on vacation. Secretary of State Anthony Blincoln
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goes on vacation. Jensaki, White House Press set goes on vacation.
You can't even get a hold of anybody. We leave,
The countries collapse, and there's the hello, anybody there nobody's there,
even at the White House, so it looks bad. The
United States of America just caused the country's collapse after
occupying it for twenty years. They dragged poor Joe Biden
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off the beach to sit down with committed communist George
Stephanopolis in this as our country, as we're watching our
country be embarrassed. This was the answer of the President
of the United States of America.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
But we've all seen the pictures. We've seen those hundreds
of people packed into a C seventeen. We've seen Afghan's.
Speaker 4 (04:35):
Falls four days ago, five days ago.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
Makes me so angry.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
It's four or five days ago. I was stressing about
four or five days ago, evil people. And so what
happened from there, well, that's what brought us to this tragedy.
You see, we have had a very secure Air Force
base Bogram, a secure place to conduct operations, honestly, to
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get out of the country, to evacuate safely, smartly. We
had a secure place. Biden administration handed that to the animals.
So then they didn't like the optics of people falling
from C one thirties, and they decided they had to
do something, and so they just grabbed a bunch of Marines, sailors,
Army troops and sent them into a civilian air force
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a civilian air base, not an air base, sorry, civilian airport.
It's not even an air base. They tried to make
it an air base. You know, you try to secure it,
but you've been to civilian airports before. They're not made
to be secured in the same way a military base
is made to be secured. It's just you don't have
the facilities there to make it that way. And it
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ends up we have a bunch of our troops standing
in crowds of peace. Oh remember those bad guys we
let out of jail and BOGRAM. Yeah, there were a
bunch of Isis guys in there.
Speaker 4 (06:08):
Now.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
I don't know that we have confirmation on this, but
some Isis sky, whether he was on BOGRAM or not,
shows up with a suicide vest full of ball bearings
and incinerates thirteen of our troops men and women. By
the way, remember we do have testimony that we had
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the guy in our sites. We had a Marine Corps
sniper who had the guy on our sites, requested permission
to shoot before he blew himself up. Permission was denied.
After thirteen of our troops had their lives thrown away,
absolutely thrown away, the President of the United States of
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America stumbled up to the podium, and this has helped
went the attack.
Speaker 4 (06:56):
My group known as isis K took the lives of
American service members standing guard at the airport and wound
it several others. Seriously, we have so much to do,
so then our capacity to do it. We just have
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to remain steadfast, steadfast, ladies and gentlemen. They gave me
a list here. The first person I was instructed to
call on was Kelly O'donnald NBC.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
They gave me a list. The first person I was
instructed to call on. That was the press conference the
Commander in chief gave. After we threw away the lives
of thirteen of our best then almost almost salt in
an open wound, their bodies came home. Try to imagine
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what that would be like for a parent, the agony
that they still go through right now as you're watching
four years later.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Don't think that that's gone away.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
You're watching me right now, there's still in agony, anguish,
very brutal day the bodies come home. You show up
a flag draped coffin the President of the United States
shows up and spends his time checking his watch. It
didn't go well.
Speaker 5 (08:31):
He talked a bit more about his own son than
he did my son, and that didn't sit well with me.
Speaker 6 (08:37):
In reference to the checking of his watch. That didn't
happen just once. That happened on every single one that
came out of that airplane. It happened on every single
one of them. They would release the salute, and he
looked down at his watch on every last month, on
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all thirteen he looked down at his watch.
Speaker 5 (09:03):
I actually leaned into my son's mother's ear and I said,
I swear to God, if he checks his watch one
more time, and that was only probably four times in
I couldn't look at him anymore after that. Just considering
especially the time and why we were there, it was
I found to be the most disrespectful thing I've ever seen.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Thirteen bodies, the old man who sent them to die
as they.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Got off the plane.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Oh man, how much longer we're gonna.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Wrap this up?
Speaker 1 (09:38):
Putting in time? Oh gosh, another one brutal, so outrageous.
And then and then then we incinerated ten innocent people.
The administration, once again chasing approval numbers poll numbers, sent
a reaper drone and we nooked ten afgame of them,
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adorable children, completely innocent. And the Chairman of the Joint
Chiefs at the time, Mark Milly, after we just incinerated
innocent children, got on TV and said this.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
Were there are others killed. Yes, there are others killed.
Who they are?
Speaker 1 (10:18):
We don't know.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
We'll try to sort through all that, but we believe
that the procedures at this point, I don't want to
influence the outcome of an investigation, but at this point
we think that the procedures were correctly followed and it
was a righteous strike.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
A righteous strike. Dead kids, all that tragedy, all that embarrassment,
all that sadness. And the old men who sent those
people to die, what kind of remorse did they feel?
And by the way, before I play you this, remember
that for most of this country's history, commanders and politicians
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who send young men to die, it eats at them
when those.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
Young men die.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Do you have any idea how many World War Two
commanders of various kinds, admirals, generals later on committed suicide
because of the remorse they felt for men who died
under their command. That's the kind of old men we
used to have.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
This is what we had. Then.
Speaker 7 (11:20):
Do you have regrets about their withdrawal or how the
withdrawal occurred from Afghanistan that cost the lives of thirteen
of our service members.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
I don't have any regrets.
Speaker 8 (11:29):
And so for all this talk of chaos, I just
didn't see it, not for my perch. At one point
during the evacuation, there was an aircraft taking off full
of people Americans and Afghanisa like every forty eight minutes,
and not one single mission was missed. So I'm sorry,
I just won't buy the whole argument of chaos.
Speaker 9 (11:46):
President, you need a failure in Afghanistan, mistakes.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
There was a report on Afghanistan and withdraw saying that
was failure and mistakes.
Speaker 10 (11:55):
Do you want to meat there was mistakes during the withdrawal.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
Before all the way and was coming back to the
Remember what I said about Afghanistan. I said, al kinda
would not be there.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
I said it wouldn't be there.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
I said, we get help from the Taliban.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
What's happening now? What's going on?
Speaker 4 (12:13):
Read your press?
Speaker 2 (12:15):
I was right, it feels me, it was so much anger.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Four years later, the callousness threw their lives away, didn't
even honor them afterwards. Now, look, let's not make it
all bad. We do have a new Secretary of Defense
singing a much different tune.
Speaker 9 (12:39):
On behalf of this beautiful group, On behalf of these families,
On behalf of your loved ones, and fought for our nation.
America deserves answers as far as.
Speaker 1 (12:47):
What happened in Afghanistan.
Speaker 9 (12:49):
The military needs to answer for what's happened in Afghanistan. So,
upon the President's direction, immediately we initiated an investigation which
showed that there needed an even deeper dive.
Speaker 10 (12:59):
So Sean and now or Pentagon.
Speaker 9 (13:00):
Spokesman, who himself is an Afghanistan veteran, is leading this effort.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
It's a top priority for us.
Speaker 9 (13:06):
We're getting access to all documents necessary, why decisions were made,
why they weren't made, why certain force protection measures were ignored. Again,
there's never been accountability for this. It's something that Joe
Biden allowed to happen that never should have happened. Anybody
who any objective observer knows that's not how you leave
a country.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
And certainly these families know better than anyone else.
Speaker 9 (13:26):
These families deserve answers.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
We're going to be honest about it.
Speaker 9 (13:29):
We're going to get to the bottom of it. Sean
Parnell and Afghanistan Vett is leading it, and we're doing
another half of the American people. So I would anticipate
middle of twenty twenty six. That's how thorough of the
review we're doing.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
It's good.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
It makes them feel better, and credit where it's to
President Trump, Vice President jd.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Vance. This is how it's done.
Speaker 4 (13:51):
Thank you very much.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
This is a very special group of people.
Speaker 4 (13:54):
I've been with them from the beginning. Abbigate.
Speaker 6 (13:57):
It's a four year anniversary, so.
Speaker 4 (13:59):
We're signing a proclamation honoring them and honoring you and honoring.
Speaker 1 (14:04):
You loved one.
Speaker 9 (14:05):
These families deserve answers. We're gonna be honest about it.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
We're gonna get to the bottom of it.
Speaker 10 (14:08):
And I know from this President is he's made a
commitment that memory will not be forgotten.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
We're so proud of you, We're so proud of your
loved ones forgiving their life for our country.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
This is a rectification of a wrong.
Speaker 9 (14:18):
We correct that wrong today that we're to keep on
fighting and to understand, as Pete said, what happens, so
it never happens to.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
An other family again. But God love you all, God
bless you. We're so thrilled to have you here in
the People's Oval office.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
That's well done.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
Sarah Adams did her own investigation into all this.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
She has a lot to say thanks. I love sleeping.
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I love that feeling when you wake up in the
morning and you just know it's gonna be a good
day because I'm rested, and vice versa. When your eyes
feel like sandpaper in the morning and you tossed and
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(15:44):
Go get a bag of dream powder. Okay, So let's
dig into what actually happened. Since we were lied to
by the Biden administration over and over and over again,
who was only worried about covering their own rear ends?
What happened, what happened at Abygate? What happened with the
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cisis guy joining me? Now, somebody who knows a lot
about this? She wrote, Well, Abby Gate, know thy enemy?
It is out now, Sarah Adams, Sarah, just talking about
this entire thing drives me freaking up the wall. First
of all, who are you? What your background? And introduce
yourself to the folks.
Speaker 10 (16:26):
Please, Yeah, just as a quick overview, I'm my former
CIA targeter. We actually carried an investigation identifying it's Harist
who did the attack in Benghazi back in twenty twelve,
and since then we've been doing a lot of different investigations.
We did abby Gate, we did the October seventh Hamas attack,
so it's just a continuation of our investigations.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Okay, so tell me about this investigation on Abby Gate whatever,
whatever you're allowed to tell me, of course, sources, how
you did it, what you found it, just lay it
all on us.
Speaker 10 (17:02):
Yeah. Well, really simply, we weren't even planning to do
this investigation. And then April of last year, the Scent
com put out bears and they had not even found
the true name of the suicide bomber, and so I
was like, well, how hard can it be? And so
we actually did some initial work and we found his
name within three weeks, and that's when I was like, Okay,
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we have to start investigating this ourselves to the government's
not doing it. So, as a lot of people know,
we've been running networks for the last ten years to
focus on the Bengazi side of thing. But after Kabble Felt,
all the terrorists shifted back to Afghanistans for all of
our networks now are in Afghanistan. So it's actually pretty
easy to collect because everybody's intermingling in the country, even
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in terras camps. Now it's not like just an al
Qaeda camp. There's five different terrorist groups in that camp.
So they've all kind of come together.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
Okay, first of all, who are the five terrorist groups?
And why could get answers?
Speaker 10 (18:02):
Yeah, well, when we talked about Abbi Gate, it's really interesting.
It was mostly plotted by Sharaji Dii na Khani, who's
the Taliban's Minister of Interior, but most Americans know him
as ahead of the Khani network. And then SnO Ulagafari,
who is the head of the Islamic State course on province.
But it is a lot of people know to commit
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a terrorist attack, you have to get a fatwa issued, right,
So they went to the Taliban's little political commission to
do so. But one person who was in the meeting
to approve the attack was Abdullah bin Laden, the son
of Pamza bin Laden. Okay, so now we have ice KP,
the Taliban, the Taliban's political Commission, and al Qaeda. Right,
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So that's already four groups involved. So it's very frustrating
that it's really been covered up. A lot of Americans
were kind of taught that this was like a loan
suicide attack, right and nothing like this. It came out
of nowhere, when actually the planning is very meticulous.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
Okay, I can you elaborate a little bit more on
isis K working with the Taliban, because she gets so
many conflicting reports on this that they're actually against each other,
that they're fighting ISIS is fighting Alkeeda, they're all fighting
the Taliban. No, they're working together. What is the true story?
Speaker 10 (19:23):
The true story? It really goes back to twenty fifteen.
Twenty fifteen, they basically put a council together called the
Shura muja Hadeen, and that council was ISIS, Taliban and
a number of other local groups to take on Afghan
security forces in the Afghan National Army. So that's when
the groups first came together to work on a joint cause.
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But this iteration started in twenty nineteen as Sharajidi in
Hakani was seeing the Djoha Deal put into place and
realizing he couldn't send his own suicide bombers and attackers
to do attacks. He needed a proxy. So he actually
took Gafari, who I told you is leading ice KP
from the Hakkani network, seated him into ISIS to use
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him as a proxy. And so that's now been going
on about six years. So he's basically just a front
man for the Hakani network inside of ISIS.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
Okay, what's the red umbrella?
Speaker 10 (20:22):
Yeah, the red umbrella is simply it was one of
those visual markers at Abby Gate. So you knew how
to get to like the Marines, to get out safely,
right if you're an American, if you had paperwork to
get in the gate. So it was one of those
symbols of hope. You knew when you got to it
there'd be a US Marine or some sort of military
person who would like take care of you and help
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you out. And so a lot of people in the
crowd obviously looked at this as a beacon of hope,
and I can maybe get out of Afghanistan, right if
I can get to these Marines.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
Okay, what do we know about the bomber?
Speaker 10 (20:59):
So the bomber is really interesting. He, you know, was
an ISIS suicide bomber that first actually deployed to India
and he was supposed to do an attack in New Delhi.
He got caught by the Indians, deported, ended up in Bogram,
So he was in prison actually you know when we
were in country. But then he was released the night
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of August fifteenth by the Taliban because IKP chose him
and two others kind of as a suicide bomber cell
to be the attackers, and he ultimately was the one
asked to do the operation. So he'd been long in
Isis for probably about six seven eight years by that point,
so well trained.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
Okay, So could you explain why the Indians would deport
somebody who was in their country getting ready to incinerate
a bunch of women and kids instead of throwing him
in some dank Indian dungeon somewhere.
Speaker 10 (21:54):
Yeah, that would have been better. Unfortunately he was Afghan,
but we believe the CIA tick the Indians and the
CIA requests that he brought to bomber and then of
course they had no end game for him as you
can see, and he ended up released. Like a lot
of the terrorsts we caught over the years, unfortunately, they
really only spend time in prison five to seven years
for the most part.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Okay, So the goal of the Abby Gade attack? Was
it just chaos embarrassment? Was it just to kill people?
What was the goal?
Speaker 10 (22:23):
What do we think the goal was actually to harm
our troops if you actually look at some of the
people involved. You know, I talked about the masterminds where
there's a very interesting Terris involved who helped move the
bomber to Cobble and he's the son of Mullah Dadu
the Lang that was basically one of the most senior
operations we ever carried out against the Taliban commander when
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we killed his father, right, So there's also some personal
retribution inside of this attack that really nobody's been honest about,
you know, with those who've been impacted.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
Okay, uh, what could we have done to prevent this attack?
Could we have prevented it? I mean, obviously not giving
up Bogram would have been the best way to prevent it,
But is there a way we could have secured a
civilian airport.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
To have prevented this?
Speaker 10 (23:13):
The way? They didn't know because they announced the evacuation
on August thirteenth. The planning for the attacks started on
August fourteenth. We had such a hasty, thrown together evacuation plan.
There were so many holes in it that it was
so easy to take advantage of. And then our government
made our troops be on the other side of the Taliban.
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It was the Taliban who did the external security at
the airport. So because of how we set that up,
We had no plan, and then we relied on the Taliban. Unfortunately,
you know, our troops in all those innocent people were
sitting ducks right now. If they would have planned a
real evacuation months before, like they should have, it would
have been a different situation, but not in the way
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the hasty withdrawal happened.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
Did we try to cover up all this stuff afterwards?
Our government?
Speaker 10 (24:05):
I mean yeah, I one hundred percent think they did.
First off, our government definitely covered up. The Khanis were involved,
right I just told you strategy and that Khani was
one of the masterminds. Obviously most people know they covered
up a drone strike on an innocent you know, AID worker.
They were only told to tell the truth about it
when it got leaked to the press. And then, as
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I told you, one of Billaden's sons you know, was
involved in the plotting behind this. That alone shows that
they've covered up. And you know, even the commander who
told the suicide bomber, hey, you're in a good enough
spot to kill enough troops. That's the son in law
of doctor Iaman al Zaur Hiri, who was the current
head of all that at the time. So yes, this
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has been completely covered up, and they just want you
to believe this is an isis lone wolf right like
they did after the New Orleans attack in January, and
they just want you to be happy with that explanation
and this. Multiple groups work together on this, and they're
planning other things, and you need to be honest with
the public so they can see these tactics and be
prepared for what's.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Coming planning other things.
Speaker 10 (25:13):
Yeah, I mean, as you know, when we abandoned Afghanistan,
it became the base again through international terrorism where we
stopped actually doing strikes there. The last over the Horizon
strike was July twenty twenty two, So for three years,
the terrorists have been able to plot plan train unabated.
So they've been now deploying people to Europe, to the
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United States, and they are planning them a nine to
eleven style attack in the United States. And we're easily
able to get in over our borders, but also our
visa system, as most people know, it's very weak and
a lot of people get approved who shouldn't be approved
and who hate this country, and so we have a
lot of holes that we need to fill too.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
What about all those refugees we brought in when the
Biden administration just started chucking Afghanis in the back of
sea one thirties.
Speaker 10 (26:01):
Yeah, so that's a whole other issue. A huge percentage
of them we're never vetted. They never worked for the
US government. You know. In one situation, there was a
girl I rescued and she got to Romstein and she
called her brother from Romstein. He's like, how did you
get a phone. She's like, oh, I'm using one of
the US Army members. He's using me as his interpreter.
He said, isn't the place full of interpreters And she
(26:21):
said no, we couldn't find any. She said, I'm talking
to these people. They never worked for the US government.
They won't look at me either, too extreme. They won't
speak to a woman, they speak no English. In another case,
one of my friends was an Era Marshall and he
flew a flight from Romstein to DC. In the middle
of the flight, they got called and said, oops, we
led a terrorists on the plane, but don't worry. You
can still land in DC with him. So they know
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they brought terraces and it's a huge problem and we
do need to go back and revet everybody brought out
in that hasty withdrawal because we did bring in the enemy.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Thank you, Sarah, I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
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mean I usually would tell you, I'm excited to talk
to Jerry, but this is such an awful subject. But
I'm not excited to talk about. But I am very
proud of him because there weren't very many entities out
there who were willing to hold the Biden administration accountable
after what they did at Abbey Gate, after what they
did in Afghanistan, and Jerry Dunleavy, my friend, was one
of them. He wrote the book. It is the book Cobble,
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the untold story of Biden's fiasco and the American warriors
who fought to the end. It's one to pick up.
I am warning you it's going to be bad for
your blood pressure.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
It was certainly bad for mine.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
This should be they should it should be reading in schools.
Speaker 2 (28:55):
It should be joining me now.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
Jerry Dunlevy, Jerry, Okay, why right book? I know you're
a writer anyway. I know you're a journalist at heart.
Unlike me, I'm just a big mouth. Why write a book?
It's a great question, you know.
Speaker 7 (29:12):
I I did not serve, but my brother did multiple
tours in Afghanistan, and I'm good friends with a lot
of people that did serve. During the post nine to
eleven wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, including my co author
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James Hassen, who did a tour in Afghanistan as well,
and of course my brother did multiple tours there. I
did feel a up so I did feel a personal
connection to the war, and for a very long time
it was clear that things were not going in a
good direction there. But in the summer of twenty twenty one,
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it became abundantly clear to me that this twenty year
war was going to end in disaster. And so I
was technically a DOJ reporter at the time, but I
told my editors, this is what I'm going to be
working on for the foreseeable future. And so unfortunately, I
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detailed the collapse and fall of Afghanistan, the Taliban takeover
and the debacle and the deadly abbigade attack, and you know,
I did everything that I could to cover the story,
and it became abundantly clear to me that there was
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not going to be accountability. Especially there was not going
to be any accountability for the generals and military commanders
and for the intelligence community, both of whom failed because look,
President Joe Biden obviously screwed this up in every way
that he possibly could, right, and Jake Sullivan and the
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NSC screwed up in every way they possibly could. The
State Department and Anthony Blincoln screwed this up as much
as they could. But we are four years out and
the military, so the military commanders like Chairman of the
Joint Chiefs Millie and the Commander of Sentcom at the time,
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General McKenzie, and the intelligence community, there has been no
accountability whatsoever. In fact, the Biden administration of course has
covered you know, was happy to cover for the military
and the IC on this, but some Republicans joined in
that as well. It was a simpler narrative to just
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kind of pinted on Biden and the silly folks at
the State Department and to let the military and the
IC skate on this. And the military and the ICY
played their parts in why everything went wrong in twenty
twenty one as well. And so I've been sort of
on a personal crusade since then to get that accountability,
(32:06):
to get those answers, because you know, not to go
on my rant much longer here, but it's important to
get answers in accountability, not just for the thirteen who
died at abbigade in their families, and not just for
the twenty four hundred plus US troops who died in
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Afghanistan during those twenty years. It's also important because we're
going to be in another major war and the next
adversary that we fight, whether it's Iran or Russia or
especially China. You know, those folks are not the Taliban.
You know, the Taliban in many ways was tough and tenacious.
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But the next war that we're going to be and
it's going to be a lot tougher than the Taliban.
And if we don't learn these lessons, if the Pentagon
and the military in the IC don't admit that they
got this wrong, then we're going to be in a
world of hurt. And unfortunately, you know, when you're in
a war against a serious adversary like the Chinese, it's
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going to be more than thirteen people and potentially even
more than twenty four hundred people whose lives are going
to be at risk. So it's very important that we
get answers and hold people accountable.
Speaker 1 (33:23):
Here, Jerry, can you help me understand why we don't
get why no one seemed to be interested in holding
military accountable Intelligence accountable. I mean, I know you were
famously on the House Foreign Affairs Committee to the investigation
and then you bailed, you walked on it, and you
can talk about that, But why is there no interest
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in it? I mean, you look back at historic wars
like World War Two, it's almost like we were too
harsh on some of these military commanders. We'd court martial
them for mistakes and stuff like that. Now nobody did
anything wrong. Why what so?
Speaker 7 (34:03):
You know, for my best analysis and from my personal
experience being on Capitol Hill and being on this investigation, look,
the obviously the Biden administration in the left, they were
perfectly happy to run cover for the military and the IC. Now,
the Biden administration and people on the left weren't thrilled
(34:23):
that Biden was being raked over the coals for this
and the State Department was being raked over the coals
for this. But look, if if they were able to
shield you know, half of the problem, then that's what
they were happy to do. It's more complicated on the right,
and it's it's it's frankly more frustrating to me that
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some folks on the right were willing to participate in
letting the military and the military commanders in generals especially
escape any accountability.
Speaker 1 (34:53):
For this.
Speaker 7 (34:55):
Part of it is I think that they wanted there
to be a simpler narrative. And the more are people
that you start to bring in to being responsible beyond
Biden and maybe his little inner circle of Blincoln and Sullivan,
the more complicated the political narrative gets. Part of it
also is that I think that some people on the
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right and some Republicans on Capitol Hill have sort of
perverted this idea of supporting the troops and supporting the
boots and supporting people in uniform, and they've taken that
which is extremely important and noble and extended that all
the way out to sort of the generals can do
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no wrong. And what I try to get across to
people is what you know, there are plenty of generals
that have served honorably and bravely and all of that,
But many generals have gotten to where they are because
they have been politicians. Unfortunately, to climb the ladder a
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lot of times to become a general, to get yourself
into these positions, you have to be a politician. And
we have to hold generals accountable the same way that
we would hold anyone else accountable. In fact, it's probably
more important because when other department heads or agencies or
whatever make mistakes, it's bad. You know, we lose money,
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there's fraud, there's abuse. When generals make mistakes, people's lives
are at risk. Troops of lives are at risk, the
success of missions and battles and wars are at risk.
And unfortunately the investigation that I was part of, which
was run at the time on the House Foreign Affairs
Committee by the then chairman McCall, they made a very
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explicit decision that they were going to pin this on Biden,
and they were going to pin this on the State Department,
and they were going to let the generals off hook.
And so they very explicitly decided to let Millie skate
and to let mackenzie skate. It's frustrating and it's dangerous,
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honestly for the future, you know, because this is a
this is a twenty year war that ended in defeat,
and there's you know, a lot of reasons, there's twenty
years of mistakes, but there were some real mistakes in
twenty twenty one that these that these generals made, and
that these commanders made, and so far, they haven't been
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held accountable. A bright spot in all of this, of course,
is that Secretary Pete Hegseth has launched his own investigation
inside the Pentagon where he has very directly said that
he wants to hold people responsible, that he wants to
get answers, that he wants accountability. That investigation that heg
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Seth launched just just started. But you know, there is
a real chance there to hold some folks accountable, and
so I'm cautiously optimistic about.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
That, Jerry. We spent all those years in Afghanistan, supposedly
training the Afghan security forces, the Afghan Army, training and
equipping them so they could fight on their own and
we could say goodbye. We said goodbye. I know, we
did it poorly in every sense of the word. We
said goodbye, and they collapsed in about five minutes.
Speaker 7 (38:28):
Why, it's a great question, and in fact, it's one
of the big things that former Chairman of the Joint
Chiefs of Staff Milli really needs to be held accountable for.
So he was as the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs
you are the top military advisor to the President of
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the United States, So at that time that was President
Joe Biden. Milly was out there in the summer of
twenty twenty one claiming that the Afghan the Afghan security
forces were three hundred and twenty five thousand to three
hundred and fifty thousand strong. Now everyone knows that that
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wasn't true. Everyone knew at the time that that wasn't true. Now,
the big fictional number that everyone had kind of settled
on in twenty twenty one was three hundred thousand. So
you had Biden and blink In and Sullivan and everyone
running around claiming that the Afghan military was three hundred
thousand strong. Millie was out there inflating an already fictional
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number up to three hundred and twenty five thousand or
three hundred and fifty thousand. In reality, the Afghan military
was vastly smaller than that. What they were able to
what was actually being fielded on a day to day basis,
was I would say by twenty twenty one, maybe half that, okay.
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And at the same time, folks like folks within the
Biden administration, including I believe Milli, were likely underestimating what
the Taliban was able to field. And so when you
do a net assessment, a serious net assessment. I think
of what the Afghan military was capable of in twenty
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twenty one and what the Taliban was capable of in
twenty twenty one, I think that the reality was that
the Taliban was much stronger than people were giving them
credit for, and the Afghan military was much weaker than
people were giving them credit for. You combine that with
the fact that, look, the US military had years to
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figure out how to try to support the Afghan how
to train the Afghan military to get them ready, and
then how to support them from Afar once we were gone,
because we had successive presidents Obama, Trump, and Biden who
were all signaling that they wanted to leave Afghanistan. And
yet the US military never figured out how to properly
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get this Afghan military to be cohesive. They never figured
out how to get them to function without US support.
And in fact, in many ways, the US military built
the Afghan military around US support. And so the US
in twenty twenty one quickly pulled not just our advisors
and our logistics and our ISR and our support and
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our maintenance support, and our support for their for their
air force and for their ground forces, pulled all of
this in rapid fashion, and it was clear that there
was no that there had been no real planning about
how to continue the Afghans, to continue to support the
Afghans from Afar, and so all this all collapsed very rapidly. Obviously,
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the Afghan forces shared their piece of the blame here,
but you know, as as as an American and as
the US had been there for twenty years, I think
that we need to look long and hard about why
the US military failed in its mission to feel the
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capable force that was able to sustain this. Now, one
thing that I always kind of try to tell people
is that another thing that Millie has led the way
on is claiming that the Afghan military collapse and the
Taliban took over in just eleven days. Now, look, the
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Taliban took over very quickly in twenty twenty one, but
you could track district by district the Taliban taking over
Afghanistan very very very soon after Biden's withdrawal order in
April and the US beginning and extremely rapid retrograde in
May of twenty twenty one, and so the Taliban started
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a serious onslaught in May, increased it in June increased
in July and then increased it again in August, with
great success by August fifteenth. But I don't want people
like Milli to get away with his inflation of the
size of the Afghan military, and I don't want him
to get away with this idea that well, this all
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just happened in eleven days in August of twenty twenty one,
so what can you do. We all saw it happening
starting in May, June, and July, and there were things
that the US could have done to stem the bleeding,
to stave off the Taliban advance, to get serious about
holding on to Bogram. As you saw the Taliban taking over.
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There were a lot of things that the US could
have done that we did not do. So I don't
want I don't want people like MILLI to get away
with just saying, well, it happened in like a week
and some change, so what can you do. There were
months where this was happening, where the ground was shifting
from underneath our feet, and we did not respond.
Speaker 1 (43:57):
We got away with enough. Jerry, thank you, brother off
as always appreciate you. Final thoughts. Next, I love feeling
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Abbegate families. They lost somebody precious to them and days
(45:25):
like today hurt. They hurt extremely badly. Honor the fallen.
Pray for the families. Let's treat our future sacrifices better
than we.
Speaker 2 (45:34):
Treated the last ones. All right, we'll do it again.
Host
Jesse Kelly
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