November 13, 2025 • 45 mins
President Trump is in hot water over a variety of comments he's made about embracing foreigners in America. Jesse Kelly breaks down those comments with Dave Brat. This comes as the Republican Party is taking another stand against Obamacare. Dr. Aaron Kheriaty reveals what the GOP proposal should look like. Plus, a tough conversation about the media.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
What is going on with the Trump administration and the
messaging we're hearing now, we're going to talk about that tonight.
We're going to talk about the economy. We're going to
talk about Obamacare, Can we replace it? What does that
look like? All that and more coming up when I'm
write Okay, let's chat, shall we? Because my email in
(00:30):
box is full of your angry emails angry about the
recent messaging coming out of the White House. So let's
talk about what was said, theories I have on why
it might be said, and maybe some of this will
make you feel better, some of it may very well
make you feel worse. What is the thing that has
(00:52):
you and me so angry? Trump sat down with Laura
Ingram set a variety of things, but this one stands out?
Speaker 2 (01:02):
And does that mean the H one B visa thing
will not be a big priority for your administration? Because
if you want to raise wages for American workers, you
can't flood the country with tens of thousands or hundreds
of dollars.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
And we also do have to bring in talent when
we're gone to be a talent and you know, you
don't know, you don't We don't have talented people. No,
you don't have you don't have certain talents, and you
have to people have to learn. You can't take people
off an unemployment like an unemployment line and say I'm
going to put you into a factory, we're going to
make missiles, or I'm going to put do we.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
Ever do it before?
Speaker 1 (01:37):
All right, Look, that's indefensible, it's terrible. It's not America first,
and it's most definitely not what you voted for. Donald
Trump got elected for two main reasons, the economy and immigration.
The American people were fed up. Are fed up with
a bad economic situation where we've lost twenty twenty five
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percent of our buying power in the last five years.
And the American people are fed up with the country
being flooded with foreigners.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
Legal and illegal.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
We are tired of competing with foreigners in the job market.
We're tired of the crime, the dirt. We're tired of
seeing foreign statue, fake gods being sprung up in places
like Texas. The American people don't want to hear the
Muslim call to prayer five times a day in dearborn, Michigan.
(02:29):
And that is a main reason, maybe the main reason
Donald Trump sits in the White House today. It's not
a personality thing. It's not anything The American people want
it to stop. We have been the world's open sewer
for a long time. They wanted to stop. But this
was not a one off, you see. It wasn't just
(02:50):
Donald Trump speaking maybe a little too off the cuff
on Laura Ingram. We have Christine Omer out there on
the news saying things like this, what is.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
The ministration position on these visas?
Speaker 5 (03:03):
Now?
Speaker 6 (03:04):
We're going to keep using our visa programs. We're just
going to make sure that they have integrity, that we're
actually doing the vetting of the individuals who come into
this country, that they want to be here for the
right reasons, that they're not supporters of terrorists and organizations
that hate America. And that's what I think is so
remarkable is under the Trump administration, we've sped up our
process and added integrity to the visa programs, to green cards,
(03:26):
to all of that. But also more people are becoming
naturalized under this administration than ever before. More people are
becoming citizens.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
What you didn't vote for, that I didn't vote for.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
That they're bragging about how many people are coming in
now no.
Speaker 5 (03:46):
No, no, no.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
We're speaking everything up more citizens than anyone.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
We're doing great.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
So let's talk because I have actually two theories on this.
One I think we'll probably make you feel better. The
other one is going to make you feel undoubtedly worse.
So I pray it's option A. Before we talk about
the two theories, I want to talk about Donald Trump
for a moment, a discussion we've had many times before.
(04:14):
Donald Trump. Donald Trump deserves all the credit in the
world for getting the America First Movement rolling.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
He very much did.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
He has been the leader of the right for ten
years now and deserves credit for that. And he has
laid a foundation that Lord Willing will continue on for
decades to come.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
Hopefully it's still.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
There after I'm dead and gone and you're dead and gone,
still there, getting better, getting better. So he deserves all
the credit in the world for that. However, Donald Trump
is not this extreme, hardcore anti communist.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
He never was. He's not now.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
We can pretend from time to time because he talks
tough and he has some good ideas on things like immigration.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
But he's not that. Donald Trump is not the the end,
He's the beginning. He's the start. Of it.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
There will be more others who come after. Maybe it's you,
there will be many others who come after. Donald Trump
is a businessman. He's a businessman. Was a registered Democrat.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
For much of his life.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Remember during his first term, Donald Trump attempted to work
with Democrats on an amnesty deal. We've forgotten this before.
So Donald Trump, at his core, it's probably not as
hardcore as you, but he's been good for the movement overall.
That's one two, And this part's going to come into
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play on the bad portion of the theory. Do you
remember the Jeffrey Epstein stuff, But specifically, do you remember
when Donald Trump came out almost out of nowhere and
started shouting at reporters to stop talking about it, stop
asking about it? What are you talking about? No one
cares shut up. It was almost out of left field.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
Right, Why did you do that?
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Okay, we'll come back to that. Back to the first theory.
Donald Trump oftentimes will land at the correct position of
an issue because of you, not because he came up
with it on his own.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
Because of you.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
He used to at his rallies several times. He used
to brag about the COVID direct scene.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
He loved it.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
He used to brag about it. You know why you
never hear him say that anymore. He kept getting booed.
He kept getting booed to the point he started asking friends,
family members advised us, why does everyone boo when I
talk about it? Then they explained to him how many
people had been hurt by it, lost their jobs. They
explained to him, hey, you need to.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
Stop, and he stopped. To his credit, he stopped.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Donald Trump oftentimes can have bad ideas, like every other
human being, and then you and me, we get angry
enough and loud enough. He hears enough of it, and
he backs away. There's a chance Donald Trump has some
perhaps big business interests, no doubt, big business interests in
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his inner circle, major business leaders, huge donors.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
To hint, his campaign. And what do they want? They
want cheaper labor.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
So it's been a big problem for in the GOP
for a very long time. And so when they hear
guys like JD Vance or even Trump talk about getting
rid of h one b visas well, they get concerned.
They want that cheap labor.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
So what do they do.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
They pick up the phone, Hey, hey, mister president, I
still need those fifty thousand people from India if you
don't mind. And those are the people in Donald Trump's ear.
So he goes on with Lord Ingram, gets asked about it,
and then tries to sell it.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
But today I.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
Have no doubt in my mind the administration is well
aware of how that's going to land. The good theory
I have, remember I told you I have too. It's
about to get ugly. The good theory I have is
that this is one of these trial balloon things. Donald
Trump's floating out there. Maybe he even means it, but
he's going to hear your white hot rage and my
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white hot rage, and he's gonna say, Okay, clearly not
what my voters want.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
Let's back off of this whole thing.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
We can't be importing more foreigners when Americans can't afford things.
That's the good part of the theory. The good part
of the theory is this will pass because of your anger.
Now the bad part of the theory, back to the
Jeffrey Epstein thing. Why did Donald Trump, almost out of nowhere,
it was weird, start yelling at everybody to stop talking
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about it.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
Move on, this is stupid. Why are we talking about this?
Everyone's shut up?
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Why, Well, because he was trying to get ahead of something.
What he was trying to get ahead of I don't
know specifically, and neither do you. Is he concerned that
there are names in that file that he doesn't necessarily
want revealed. We know there are all kinds of names
(09:02):
in those files that didn't do anything wrong. By the way,
as I've told you several times before, Donald Trump himself.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
His name is in there, but didn't do anything wrong.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
There aren't even really any accusations that there's a bunch
of people in there.
Speaker 4 (09:13):
The guy was a billionaire financier.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
There's all kinds of names of people who worked with
him who aren't pedophiles. So what was Donald Trump's trying
to get ahead of? I don't know, looking out for himself,
A don or, a friend, I bet the party? I
don't know. I don't know, neither do you. But he
was very clearly trying to get ahead of something. Shout up,
don't talk about it.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
Let's move on. We're moving on.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Donald Trump knows things that you don't know, and I
don't know he knows them before we know them. I
should say that was him trying to get ahead of something.
Now here's the bad part of this theory. I have
Donald Trump. Donald Trump has a year. He is president
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of the United States of America. We do have the
Senate a majority, not a huge one, but we have
a majority. We do have the House, a very thin majority.
Donald Trump isn't really anybody with any amount of political knowledge,
the knowledge of political history, knows that we're probably going
to lose the House in the midterms. When you look
(10:19):
at the California redistricting, that various other things, plus historic trends,
we probably lose the House in the midterms almost no
matter what What does that mean for Donald Trump? The
man who is trying to get his face on Mount Rushmore,
I don't know about. I don't know if he's actually
trying to do that, but you understand what I mean.
The man who's trying to write his name in the
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history books understands full well. He has probably a year
left for any chance of getting a law passed.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
Probably a year left. Okay, So what to do? What
to do? Well?
Speaker 1 (10:56):
He needs something past. Every president wants a big signature
piece of legislation pass every single one. Democrats do, Republicans do.
But what kind of wonderful hardcore anti communist legislation could
you possibly pass with almost no majority in the Senate
(11:17):
We need sixty votes, remember, and a very slim majority.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
In the House.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Well, it would have to be a piece of legislation
with a lot of Democrat things in it. So I
pray to God I'm wrong, and I need to tell
you that I have no inside knowledge of this. All right,
this is a theory. I'm just looking at the history.
I'm looking at what people are saying publicly. I'm trying
to notice patterns. I think there might be an immigration
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bill coming, and not a good one. Oh, don't get
me wrong. They'll make sure there's a bunch of money
for the wall, maybe some more ice agents or something
like that in there. And there will also be some
Democrat priorities, some GOP big business priorities.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
No no, no, no, no, build your wall. But we need another.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Million people from China and India to come in here,
get rid of these pesky Americans who want wages. I
pray to God, I am wrong, but I think there's
a chance over the next year a horrible immigration bill
will hit the House floor. And when it does hit
the House floor, get ready for a lot of people
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to try to browbeat you and me into supporting it,
because they'll point.
Speaker 4 (12:34):
Out all the pro border.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Hawk stuff in there, and they'll conveniently leave out the
other things like the mass importation of foreigners. Deporting fifty
million people needs to be priority one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine,
and ten for the Trump administration if they are truly
interested in saving America from high costs, from high crime, health, insurance, housing,
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all these problems. Not that they all get solved, but
all these problems get so much better if you deport
millions and millions of foreigners who've come into this country
over the years, all these problems. If you, however, continue
to import millions of foreigners, you will undoubtedly wake up
one day without the United States of America. If you'd
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like to know how that can happen, look at the
new mayor of New York City, elected pretty much exclusively
by foreigners. American born New Yorkers rejected him out right.
The foreigners loved the free goodies, the free hands out
and now we have to watch our greatest city burn.
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I pray to God I'm right about theory wrong one
and wrong about theory two. But I guess we shall see. Nevertheless,
let your voice be heard, Let it be loud. All
that may have made you uncomfortable, but I am right.
We have a huge show for you tonight, a great
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Speaker 3 (15:12):
We also do have to bring in talent.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
When we've got to be a talent and.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
You know, you don't.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
We don't have talented people.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
Now you don't have you don't have certain talents, and
you have to people have to learn.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Well, those comments are going over like a fart in
church today, and we thought we should probably talk to
Dave brad about that. Joining me now, Senior vice president
of Business Relations at.
Speaker 4 (15:36):
Liberty University, Dave.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Donald Trump is not making many fans with his base,
but those kinds of things. He's already rolling Scott Descent
out there on the news to try to soften that landing.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
But people were concerned, Dave. Frankly, they're angry.
Speaker 5 (15:52):
Yeah, no, they should be the America First agenda. You know. Trump,
he's feeling the pressure from all sides, right, all the
corporate buddies. They're screaming at him, saying, we want the
cheap and easy route. We've had to make our profits
for Wall Street and Main Street. Sorry Investment came out
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and said it's it's Main Street's turn. And so the
whole country's waiting, right, I mean they're being patient on
the wars Ukraine. We want that thing done. We want
all the wars rolled up. We want to see this
Department of Justice lay down the hammer and see some
results come on in. And so this is a big
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eie though, the immigration, the border. When you shut down
the border, why are you doing that? And so, you know,
I think he's gonna feel some heat on this one, Dave.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
I'm curious as to why I have my own theories.
The one that I really hope is not true is
that we have an immigration bill coming that's going to
be futrid because of our thin majority in the House,
and this is Trump prepping the for that. I pray
to God I'm wrong about that. But tell me why
is it just what you just said? Is it his
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big business buddies in his ear? No?
Speaker 4 (17:08):
No, no, no, I don't want to pay wages.
Speaker 5 (17:12):
Yeah, well, you know, just ask yourself. Similarly, why are
we voting for a seven trillion dollar Biden budget again
with a lot of Democrat stuff left in it, with
two trillion dollar deficits. And the answer is because your
representatives aren't representing the people. And so same thing on
this most every you know, especially just go around the horn, right,
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go to any state with a bunch of golf resorts
and hotels and whatever, and I'll guarantee it those congressmen
and senators and women are going to be pretty friendly
to cheap labor. And they're just smacking their own people
on the head. And you know when the president says,
we don't have the talent, we don't have the talent.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
Right.
Speaker 5 (17:53):
I've been in education my whole life. Because the corporate
guys are planting, you know, evergreen trees on their rooftops
and ceilings. Is virtue signaling instead of investing in the
kids right down across the block from you, right in Chicago,
the poor kids. The literacy rate, the reading rate right
for the third graders is twelve percent. That's not from
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right wing dot com, right, that's from the Illinois Public
Policy Institute. And so, yeah, all these corporate guys, oh,
we're in favor of ethics and we care and we
got pink ribbons and we got all sorts of cool stuff.
Speaker 4 (18:29):
But the kids right next.
Speaker 5 (18:30):
Door can't read. And oh, we're for a diversity and
race and gender and oh all those kids across all
those categories right downstairs can't read. So you know, I'm
a little cynical, but if you want to change the country,
you better teach the kids to read.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
Dave, I understand that what we're about to talk about
doesn't necessarily apply to Liberty university, of course, but Trump
also said that we've got to have these six hundred
thousand Chinese students.
Speaker 4 (18:59):
We just got to them. It's just wonderful for the country.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
And we certainly don't want any universities to go out
of business. Well, the American people, certainly the MAGA movement.
We don't want six hundred thousand Chinese spies. And we
don't give a crap if half the university system goes
out of business.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
Frankly it should.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
What is this Is this part of the trade deal
we just struck with China and he's just trying to
sell it now, No, this.
Speaker 5 (19:23):
Is probably you know, well, yes, yes to that. But
also in addition, the tech bros are putting huge pressure
and they're the huge donors, right, the Magnificent seven firms,
the trillionaire class. What people may not know is about
seventy five percent of the fortune five hundred CEOs are
democrat Most all of the Magnificent seven trillionaires are leftist,
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but they're big donors, and the Republicans don't have anyone left. Right,
we gave twenty percent of the economy away to Obamacare,
and so you know, it's kind of a survival thing.
You know, we we don't have Hollywood, we don't have education.
You know, you mentioned liberty, university, et cetera. But what people,
the average person doesn't know is the Chinese students have
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to sign a document and all workers here to the CCP. Right,
we don't hate the Chinese people, but the Communist Party
we don't like, and they have to sign a document
saying they're basically, in essence spying as you said, for
the CCP, and so if they want to come over here,
I think that if the CCP would sign a simple
document saying that the CCP and the Chinese government believes
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like we do, that all people are made in the
image of God and endowed by their creator with certain
inalienable rights like life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
And they sign their name to that document. Hey, welcome
to the US of A. And tell you sign that
document saying that no way.
Speaker 4 (20:52):
Jose Trump also said this about the economy.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
This is the greatest economy we've ever had their talking points.
Of course, Sorry, by the way, the only thing is beef.
Beef coffee is a little high because the ranchers are
doing great coffee, coffee. We're gonna lower some tariffs, We're
gonna have some coffee come in. We're going to take
all this stuff very quickly, very easily. It's surgical. It's
beautiful to watch, Dave.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
I understand that. And I'm totally fine with the Trump
bluster thing.
Speaker 4 (21:24):
It's who he is. Frankly, it's endearing.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Everything's the best ever, the most beautiful ever, the hottest ever.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
I get that. That's Trump's way. I get that. But
the economy is not good, and.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
People recently could afford a lot more than they afford now.
In telling people how great it is, it's a little insulting.
Speaker 4 (21:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (21:43):
Well, I've tried to counsel whoever I can up there
in the swamp that's advising the president, and I never
would have pivoted and cheerleaded that we own the economy. Right,
we had twenty percent inflation in Biden's four years. Right,
that's a ratchet effect. Right, Unless you get deflation or disinflation,
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those prices stay there. And so we never should have
started cheerleading and said, you know, we're going to lower price.
That's the job at the Federal Reserve for the most part,
right the price level to have stable prices. So that's
the inflation debate. I never would have gone there. And
then on productivity, I've been preaching for ten years. Productivity
has been going down for seventy years in a row.
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And so what Trump should say is, and I give
him an A plus on this thing. The major thing
that enhances productivity and GDP growth and wages is capital investment.
And that's where he's crushing it, right, That's where he's
doing good. But he's got a big problem in the
short run, right because that capital, right, two trillion US commitments,
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ten trillion foreign commitments coming in that'll take a few
years to get put in the worker's hands. And if
you put capital in the American people's hands, they're going
to do great things. They always have. Just think a
Henry Ford or whatever. Right, the American people are ready
to roll. And so Biden put us in the ditch.
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The leftist put us in the ditch. Our geopolitical strategists
missed a country called China for the past thirty years.
Got it all wrong there, our friend, you know their
kids are going to be rich and become democrat you
know yuppies. Nope, there's still communists. And so I just
never would have pivoted to, you know, saying I own
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this economy because he economically he doesn't.
Speaker 4 (23:33):
Right.
Speaker 5 (23:34):
Monetary Polici's got a year lag and fiscal policies got
a year to year and a half lag once it's implemented.
And so that that's the truth of economics.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
Is this why he leans on Jerome Powell so hard?
Is this why he just blasts away? Obviously he's trying
to push him into something. Is this what this is
all about?
Speaker 5 (23:54):
Yeah, well that's right, because in the short run, he's
just got a few lovers, right, so if he can
lower the interest you know, that'll juice things up. And
you know, there's news out today, right, I saw the
rental properties are more deflationary than we thought. It was
just bad news for the economy. But you know that
maybe there is some wiggle room.
Speaker 4 (24:14):
To lower rates.
Speaker 5 (24:15):
Right. If your lower rates, the risk is to get inflation. Right,
So inflation is at three instead of two and it
should be zero. And so if you know, if you
pump more money out there and lower interest rates, you
get more inflation. But the you know it I don't
have time to get into it. But the Federal Reserve
is a bunch of crooks, right, They've they've ruined the
economy since two thousand and eight with a financial crisis
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and the bailouts and the Fed put they always bail
out the Green Span put bails out Wall Street and
no concern for the employment and wages of Main Street.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
They appreciate you as always, brother. All right, Obamacare, I
didn't even have time to get into this with Dave.
But healthcare costs or brutal. I don't have to tell you.
We just renewed our insurance here at the office.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
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Speaker 4 (26:49):
Nothing in this.
Speaker 7 (26:50):
Plan will require you or your employer to change the
coverage or the doctor you have. The only change you'll
see are falling costs as our reforms take hold. If
you like your healthcare system and your doctor, the only
thing reform will mean to you is your healthcare will
cost less. I will not sign a plan that adds
one dime to our deficits, either now or in the future.
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It is a cost that will not, I repeat, will
not add to our deficits, will eliminate waste, fraud, and
abuse in our healthcare system, but will also take on
key causes of rising costs, saving billions while providing better
care to the American people.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
Well, that was all a freakin' lie. Thanks to Tom
Elliott at Gravy and for all that, by the way,
Joining me now the great doctor Aaron Carriotte, author of
the book Making.
Speaker 4 (27:42):
The Cut Doctor.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
People, especially younger people, they don't even remember what healthcare
was like before Obamacare. I remember going to a family
doctor and he actually talked to me instead of facing
the computer the entire time.
Speaker 4 (27:55):
What was healthcare like back in the day.
Speaker 8 (27:58):
That's right, And I think that the folks who were
around when Obama was saying those things and believed him,
perhaps voted for him, perhaps supported the so called Affordable
Care Act. I would imagine can't help watching a clip
like that and putting their face in their palm and thinking, well, no,
none of that turned out to be true. In fact,
the exact opposite turned out to be true. I didn't
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keep my doctor, my health insurance premiums went up. We
didn't cut out the bureaucratic middleman. Those administrative costs and
healthcare of only ballooned, and I'm getting care that feels
much less personalized. So yes, there was a time when
you'd go to the physician and instead of staring at
a computer screen and checking boxes and asking questions that
had very little to do with your chief complaint that
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were in fact dictated by outside forces, by managerialist forces,
whether those were coming from Medicare and Medicaid at the
federal level or enormous corporate conglomerates that had swallowed up
the local hospital or the local healthcare clinic. People had
personal relationships with their physicians not that long ago. Their
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physicians looked at them, examined them, asked them questions about
the thing that they brought in to get help with.
And all of that, unfortunately, has gone out the window,
and doctors are frustrated. Doctors are leaving medicine or retiring
early in droves that have stats on this. In the
opening chapter of the New Abnormal, patients are clearly unsatisfied
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with the current status quo. So those promises were made,
obviously failed to deliver on those promises, and now we're
left with a system in which the bloat of the
middleman has grown to enormous proportions. In fact, if you
take all the people in medicine that have some face
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to face contact with patients, doctors, nurses, X ray technicians,
the front office staff, anyone who looks at patient in
the face and says hello, and then you take all
the people in the healthcare bureaucracy that never have any FaceTime,
any face to face contact with the patient. However, brief,
the latter category currently has more people than the former category.
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So we have this whole layer of unseen bureaucracy in
healthcare that's enormously expensive, and so we need to find
ways to cut out the middleman, the middleman that's working
for the hospital compliance office that's fighting with Medicare regarding reimbursement,
the middleman at Medicare who's fighting with your hospital compliance
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office behind the scenes about reimbursement, and all the people
who are not actually contributing to patient care that are
just driving up costs. We need to find ways to
decentralize our health.
Speaker 4 (30:43):
Care system.
Speaker 8 (30:46):
With federal dollars that always comes with strings attached. We
know that, right, and so whenever you get the federal
government too involved in healthcare, and I'm not saying we
can't have it, shouldn't have any federal regular in healthcare,
but healthcare really falls to the states to regulate and
the federal government's role should be minimal.
Speaker 4 (31:07):
And I think we can.
Speaker 8 (31:09):
Find ways to deliver more affordable care. In the closing
chapters of The New Abnormal, I talk about some models
that are out there of direct primary care, of cooperative
programs that are competing now with health insurance programs, able
to negotiate prices directly with physicians and providers, and do
all kinds of things creative things to cut out the middleman.
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But that requires enough deregulation that we give doctors and
small scale localized healthcare systems room to maneuver and room
to be able to operate without being swallowed up by
the federal bureaucracy, without being swallowed up by the giant
corporate conglomerates that are currently monopolizing healthcare in the United States.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
Doctor does do these proposals you lay out in your
book and New abnormal.
Speaker 4 (32:01):
Do these proposals?
Speaker 1 (32:03):
Are they possible to do while Obamacare is still in existence?
And I asked that because I have no faith that
the GOP is actually going to be able to repeal
the freaking thing. Can we do these things while still
under the burden of Obamacare?
Speaker 4 (32:17):
Is what I want to know. We can to some extent.
Speaker 8 (32:19):
In fact, some of them are already being done in
certain states and in certain regions, so there are creative workarounds.
These bureaucratic hurdles do not make that easy, but it's
not impossible.
Speaker 4 (32:33):
We need what the Czech.
Speaker 8 (32:34):
Dissidence of the nineteen seventies called a parallel polis, basically
parallel medical institutions that sort of opt out of the
current system. And look, if the federal government decided to
target anyone or another of those small scale initiatives, they
could certainly crush it. If the corporate conglomerates decided to
target these initiatives, they could swallow them up and put
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them out of business. But the idea of these Soviet
dissidents living in the Czech Republic in the nineteen seventies
vak clab javel vaclaub benda others who wrote about this
was that you create so many of these that it's
impossible to stomp them all out, so anyone or another
of them could be targeted for elimination by the great Beast.
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But if you have enough of them, basically eventually they
start competing with the mainstream institutions. They circle back and
start influencing those mainstream institutions because they grow, you know,
significant enough that you can't ignore them anymore. I think
a good analogy for what we need in medicine is
actually the homeschooling movement, which started fifty years ago in
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the nineteen seventies, and basically you were working outside the system,
and back in the day, you know, don't tell the
neighbors that were homeschooling our own kids that were taking
responsibility for their education, because they may call child Protective
Services and literally have us put in jail. But for decades,
homeschoolers realize, no, we can actually educate our children better
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than the public school system, and we can prove that
by winning the spelling Bees and getting our kids into
prestigious colleges and doing a better.
Speaker 4 (34:07):
Job than others.
Speaker 8 (34:07):
Well, doctors are starting to prove that they can deliver
better and more affordable healthcare if they're just left alone
to do that, and so it's hard right now. It's
sort of analogous to the way the pioneers of the
homeschooling movement we're operating in the nineteen seventies. But I
would like to see those parallel medical institutions grow in
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scope and in influence. And basically today homeschooling is now
not only mainstreamed and permitted in all fifty states, but
it has circled back and influenced the charter school movement
and to some extent even the public schools who now
have to sort of compete with other people that are,
you know, doing things better in many respects. It doesn't
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mean that every experiment in homeschooling succeeded, just like every
experiment in creating new small scale healthcare delivery systems is
not going to succeed. But we have to let those
flowers bloom. We have to see which models work and
which don't work. Maybe there's going to be regional variations,
which which is why you need to allow for some
degree of localized control. So moving away from a centralized
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bureaucracy toward a more decentralized system. You know, if Republicans
can do little things around the edges with deregulation and
with dialing back a little bit of the top down control,
I think creative doctors and patient advocacy groups and so
forth at the local level will have a little bit
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more elbow room to start maneuvering and you'll start seeing
some creative solutions happening.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
Doctor concierge medicine. It's something I've looked into myself, and
I feel like it's something a lot of people are
going to want.
Speaker 4 (35:51):
But it's so expensive. Now, do you know?
Speaker 1 (35:54):
That's really that becoming bigger and more affordable for normal people.
Speaker 8 (36:00):
So it is growing. Certainly it's physicians like it much
better and patients who can afford it like it much better.
But as you just pointed out, the challenge is that
it's very expensive, so it's going to be out of
reach for most ordinary Americans. But there's a model known
as direct primary care, which is sort of concierge like,
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but it's available for everyone. It involves physicians sort of
taking control over small group practices and cutting out the
insurance company and dealing directly with a pool of patients
who basically subscribe to their services in order to get
health care that is more affordable, precisely because it cuts
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out the middleman. And I think some of those models
of direct primary care they're analogous to concierge medicine, but
they're proving to be economically sustainable and more affordable for
a larger number of patients who's healthcare premiums if they're
paying for private insurance, have just gone through the roof
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in recent years, as all of us have probably experienced
trying to even if we're employed and our employer pays
for part of our premiums, a big chunk of our
private healthcare insurance, what comes out of our pocket to
get decent insurance is often ridiculously expensive for ordinary American families.
So I'm not saying that direct primary care is going
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to be the answer to everything, but it's one of
the models that I discuss at the end of making
the cut that's starting to gain traction, and in many
cases it's proving to be viable.
Speaker 4 (37:36):
Doctor.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
Thank you as always, I appreciate it. Let's talk about
the media. That's always fun. Before we do that. What
do you take when you got to get a good
night's sleep. Everyone has a thing. Maybe wentn't got something
at the pharmacy, maybe over the counter, maybe a prescription.
Speaker 4 (37:58):
But how do you feel in the morning. You're groggy
and tired, aren't you groggy? Tired?
Speaker 1 (38:04):
You don't feel better, You don't feel rested because you
didn't get natural sleep. I like dream powder. I love
dream powder from Beam because it's natural. It's a cup
of hot chocolate, which is delicious. You would never know
there's anything in it, but it has all those natural
things you see right there on the screen in it, magnesium,
rachi and all kinds of things. You just sip on
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a delicious cup of hot chocolate before bed and then
drift off to sleep, and when you wake, that's the difference.
Speaker 4 (38:34):
You feel great. I'm gonna save a bunch of money.
Speaker 1 (38:37):
Get a bag Shopbeam dot com. Slash Jesse Kelly, we'll
be back. Let's talk about the communists, Let's talk about
the media.
Speaker 4 (38:56):
Let's just talk about.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
Well, a conversation we've had before about their mentality versus
your mentality. You know, it's a religion of destruction and domination,
and they are really never happy, they're never really satisfied
because there's always something else you can control, so you
can destroy it. This is how the communist operates. It's
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one of his one of the things that helps him.
It oftentimes hurts him as well, because he can't control
his demonic nature.
Speaker 4 (39:26):
But you know what's wild.
Speaker 1 (39:29):
When Republicans complain about media bias, Ah, they're favoring the left.
You're being honest about that. You look out and you
see all this bias favoring the left, and you're angry,
and you're totally correct about that. But you want to
hear something well when democrats. When democrats complain about the media,
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they should be doing more. If you do better reporting,
why aren't you helping us? You scoff and throw your
hands up and say things like you.
Speaker 4 (39:57):
Control ninety five percent of it? What are you talking about?
But here's the thing.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
They're being honest too, because the communist doesn't want ninety
five percent of the media. The communist wants one hundred
percent of the media. And until he has complete control
over every word on the news, in the newspaper, on
social media, is not happy. So when Summerley says things
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like this, she means.
Speaker 9 (40:25):
It, we need our electorate behind us, all parts of
our electorate. We need the media, and we rarely have
the media, So how this story gets told is going
to be a really important piece right now. They're going
to have to go up against all of Trump's media apparatus,
right social media owned by his cronies, the legacy media
that always has a little bit of a skew biased
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towards both sizessm both sizism always benefits Republican.
Speaker 1 (40:53):
I know that it sounds crazy, what's she talking about,
but again, she's a communist. She doesn't want ninety five.
All things should be working on behalf of the revolution.
And if there's even one tiny thing that's not, the
communist feels that he is under threat. What's the result
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of this. I want you to watch Jimmy Kimmel and
more specifically, Jimmy Kimmel's wife.
Speaker 4 (41:19):
I want you to watch this.
Speaker 10 (41:21):
Thankfully, my immediate family all they did not vote for
Donald Trump. They did the first time, a few of them,
we flip them the second time. It hurts me so
much because of the personal relationship I now have where
my husband is out there fighting this man, and to me,
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them voting for Trump is them not voting for my
husband and me and our family and I unfortunately have
kind of lost relationships with people in my family because
of it. This is not just Republican versus Democrat from
me anymore. It is to me, it's family values. And
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I'm angry all the time, which isn't healthy at all.
But I like personalize everything now. When I see these
terrible stories every day, I'm immediately mad at certain aunts,
uncle's cousins who put him in power. And it's really hard,
and I wish I could like deprogram myself in some way.
Speaker 1 (42:27):
She said it, and you know it's wild. You can
tell she knows it. She's been programmed. This is the
benefit the communist has when he controls everything. When he
has the control of so many of these institutions, he
can program dumb losers like that woman. And after she
is programmed, she will lose valuable relationships with family. She
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will be miserable, angry, bitter all the time.
Speaker 4 (42:57):
And she'll know it too. She'll know.
Speaker 1 (42:59):
She'll wake up in the morning with a scowl on
her face and go to bed at night with a
scowl on her face, completely destroyed from the inside out.
That's why the communist wants control of all messaging and
even a tiny little bit escapes his grasp. It drives
him insane. Remember that we have light in the mood. Next,
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all right, it's time to lighten the mood. That was
a bit of a heavy show, so we thought it
would be appropriate to lighten the mood and remind everybody,
remind you, remind me that as much as we may
get frustrated from time to time with the current administration,
boy did we dodge a bullet in November.
Speaker 11 (43:49):
I was aware of my opponent's strategy, and I wasn't
about to fall prey or fall into those traps. And
part of his strategy and those around him, was to
try and take me off our game and message. And
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I wasn't about to be distracted by those little those
flames that he was trying to throw to get me
away from one of my highest priority, which was talking
to people about the economy and their well being in
terms of their financial well being. And that's so I was.
I understood the game that I was being played, and
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I made a decision that I wasn't gonna get played.
And yeah, three dimensional chests, I'm telling you, you know.
Speaker 1 (44:51):
Three dimensional chests versus what other kind? I think, you
know what a suitable
Speaker 5 (45:02):
H
What is going on with the Trump administration and the
messaging we're hearing now, we're going to talk about that tonight.
We're going to talk about the economy. We're going to
talk about Obamacare, Can we replace it? What does that
look like? All that and more coming up when I'm
write Okay, let's chat, shall we? Because my email in
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box is full of your angry emails angry about the
recent messaging coming out of the White House. So let's
talk about what was said, theories I have on why
it might be said, and maybe some of this will
make you feel better, some of it may very well
make you feel worse. What is the thing that has
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you and me so angry? Trump sat down with Laura
Ingram set a variety of things, but this one stands out?
Speaker 2 (01:02):
And does that mean the H one B visa thing
will not be a big priority for your administration? Because
if you want to raise wages for American workers, you
can't flood the country with tens of thousands or hundreds
of dollars.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
And we also do have to bring in talent when
we're gone to be a talent and you know, you
don't know, you don't We don't have talented people. No,
you don't have you don't have certain talents, and you
have to people have to learn. You can't take people
off an unemployment like an unemployment line and say I'm
going to put you into a factory, we're going to
make missiles, or I'm going to put do we.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
Ever do it before?
Speaker 1 (01:37):
All right, Look, that's indefensible, it's terrible. It's not America first,
and it's most definitely not what you voted for. Donald
Trump got elected for two main reasons, the economy and immigration.
The American people were fed up. Are fed up with
a bad economic situation where we've lost twenty twenty five
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percent of our buying power in the last five years.
And the American people are fed up with the country
being flooded with foreigners.
Speaker 4 (02:07):
Legal and illegal.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
We are tired of competing with foreigners in the job market.
We're tired of the crime, the dirt. We're tired of
seeing foreign statue, fake gods being sprung up in places
like Texas. The American people don't want to hear the
Muslim call to prayer five times a day in dearborn, Michigan.
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And that is a main reason, maybe the main reason
Donald Trump sits in the White House today. It's not
a personality thing. It's not anything The American people want
it to stop. We have been the world's open sewer
for a long time. They wanted to stop. But this
was not a one off, you see. It wasn't just
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Donald Trump speaking maybe a little too off the cuff
on Laura Ingram. We have Christine Omer out there on
the news saying things like this, what is.
Speaker 4 (02:59):
The ministration position on these visas?
Speaker 5 (03:03):
Now?
Speaker 6 (03:04):
We're going to keep using our visa programs. We're just
going to make sure that they have integrity, that we're
actually doing the vetting of the individuals who come into
this country, that they want to be here for the
right reasons, that they're not supporters of terrorists and organizations
that hate America. And that's what I think is so
remarkable is under the Trump administration, we've sped up our
process and added integrity to the visa programs, to green cards,
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to all of that. But also more people are becoming
naturalized under this administration than ever before. More people are
becoming citizens.
Speaker 4 (03:37):
What you didn't vote for, that I didn't vote for.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
That they're bragging about how many people are coming in
now no.
Speaker 5 (03:46):
No, no, no.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
We're speaking everything up more citizens than anyone.
Speaker 4 (03:50):
We're doing great.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
So let's talk because I have actually two theories on this.
One I think we'll probably make you feel better. The
other one is going to make you feel undoubtedly worse.
So I pray it's option A. Before we talk about
the two theories, I want to talk about Donald Trump
for a moment, a discussion we've had many times before.
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Donald Trump. Donald Trump deserves all the credit in the
world for getting the America First Movement rolling.
Speaker 4 (04:21):
He very much did.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
He has been the leader of the right for ten
years now and deserves credit for that. And he has
laid a foundation that Lord Willing will continue on for
decades to come.
Speaker 4 (04:33):
Hopefully it's still.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
There after I'm dead and gone and you're dead and gone,
still there, getting better, getting better. So he deserves all
the credit in the world for that. However, Donald Trump
is not this extreme, hardcore anti communist.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
He never was. He's not now.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
We can pretend from time to time because he talks
tough and he has some good ideas on things like immigration.
Speaker 4 (04:57):
But he's not that. Donald Trump is not the the end,
He's the beginning. He's the start. Of it.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
There will be more others who come after. Maybe it's you,
there will be many others who come after. Donald Trump
is a businessman. He's a businessman. Was a registered Democrat.
Speaker 4 (05:15):
For much of his life.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Remember during his first term, Donald Trump attempted to work
with Democrats on an amnesty deal. We've forgotten this before.
So Donald Trump, at his core, it's probably not as
hardcore as you, but he's been good for the movement overall.
That's one two, And this part's going to come into
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play on the bad portion of the theory. Do you
remember the Jeffrey Epstein stuff, But specifically, do you remember
when Donald Trump came out almost out of nowhere and
started shouting at reporters to stop talking about it, stop
asking about it? What are you talking about? No one
cares shut up. It was almost out of left field.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
Right, Why did you do that?
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Okay, we'll come back to that. Back to the first theory.
Donald Trump oftentimes will land at the correct position of
an issue because of you, not because he came up
with it on his own.
Speaker 4 (06:12):
Because of you.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
He used to at his rallies several times. He used
to brag about the COVID direct scene.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
He loved it.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
He used to brag about it. You know why you
never hear him say that anymore. He kept getting booed.
He kept getting booed to the point he started asking friends,
family members advised us, why does everyone boo when I
talk about it? Then they explained to him how many
people had been hurt by it, lost their jobs. They
explained to him, hey, you need to.
Speaker 4 (06:41):
Stop, and he stopped. To his credit, he stopped.
Speaker 1 (06:45):
Donald Trump oftentimes can have bad ideas, like every other
human being, and then you and me, we get angry
enough and loud enough. He hears enough of it, and
he backs away. There's a chance Donald Trump has some
perhaps big business interests, no doubt, big business interests in
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his inner circle, major business leaders, huge donors.
Speaker 4 (07:10):
To hint, his campaign. And what do they want? They
want cheaper labor.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
So it's been a big problem for in the GOP
for a very long time. And so when they hear
guys like JD Vance or even Trump talk about getting
rid of h one b visas well, they get concerned.
They want that cheap labor.
Speaker 4 (07:28):
So what do they do.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
They pick up the phone, Hey, hey, mister president, I
still need those fifty thousand people from India if you
don't mind. And those are the people in Donald Trump's ear.
So he goes on with Lord Ingram, gets asked about it,
and then tries to sell it.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
But today I.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
Have no doubt in my mind the administration is well
aware of how that's going to land. The good theory
I have, remember I told you I have too. It's
about to get ugly. The good theory I have is
that this is one of these trial balloon things. Donald
Trump's floating out there. Maybe he even means it, but
he's going to hear your white hot rage and my
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white hot rage, and he's gonna say, Okay, clearly not
what my voters want.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
Let's back off of this whole thing.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
We can't be importing more foreigners when Americans can't afford things.
That's the good part of the theory. The good part
of the theory is this will pass because of your anger.
Now the bad part of the theory, back to the
Jeffrey Epstein thing. Why did Donald Trump, almost out of nowhere,
it was weird, start yelling at everybody to stop talking
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about it.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
Move on, this is stupid. Why are we talking about this?
Everyone's shut up?
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Why, Well, because he was trying to get ahead of something.
What he was trying to get ahead of I don't
know specifically, and neither do you. Is he concerned that
there are names in that file that he doesn't necessarily
want revealed. We know there are all kinds of names
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in those files that didn't do anything wrong. By the way,
as I've told you several times before, Donald Trump himself.
Speaker 4 (09:08):
His name is in there, but didn't do anything wrong.
Speaker 1 (09:10):
There aren't even really any accusations that there's a bunch
of people in there.
Speaker 4 (09:13):
The guy was a billionaire financier.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
There's all kinds of names of people who worked with
him who aren't pedophiles. So what was Donald Trump's trying
to get ahead of? I don't know, looking out for himself,
A don or, a friend, I bet the party? I
don't know. I don't know, neither do you. But he
was very clearly trying to get ahead of something. Shout up,
don't talk about it.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
Let's move on. We're moving on.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Donald Trump knows things that you don't know, and I
don't know he knows them before we know them. I
should say that was him trying to get ahead of something.
Now here's the bad part of this theory. I have
Donald Trump. Donald Trump has a year. He is president
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of the United States of America. We do have the
Senate a majority, not a huge one, but we have
a majority. We do have the House, a very thin majority.
Donald Trump isn't really anybody with any amount of political knowledge,
the knowledge of political history, knows that we're probably going
to lose the House in the midterms. When you look
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at the California redistricting, that various other things, plus historic trends,
we probably lose the House in the midterms almost no
matter what What does that mean for Donald Trump? The
man who is trying to get his face on Mount Rushmore,
I don't know about. I don't know if he's actually
trying to do that, but you understand what I mean.
The man who's trying to write his name in the
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history books understands full well. He has probably a year
left for any chance of getting a law passed.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
Probably a year left. Okay, So what to do? What
to do? Well?
Speaker 1 (10:56):
He needs something past. Every president wants a big signature
piece of legislation pass every single one. Democrats do, Republicans do.
But what kind of wonderful hardcore anti communist legislation could
you possibly pass with almost no majority in the Senate
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We need sixty votes, remember, and a very slim majority.
Speaker 4 (11:20):
In the House.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
Well, it would have to be a piece of legislation
with a lot of Democrat things in it. So I
pray to God I'm wrong, and I need to tell
you that I have no inside knowledge of this. All right,
this is a theory. I'm just looking at the history.
I'm looking at what people are saying publicly. I'm trying
to notice patterns. I think there might be an immigration
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bill coming, and not a good one. Oh, don't get
me wrong. They'll make sure there's a bunch of money
for the wall, maybe some more ice agents or something
like that in there. And there will also be some
Democrat priorities, some GOP big business priorities.
Speaker 4 (12:05):
No no, no, no, no, build your wall. But we need another.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Million people from China and India to come in here,
get rid of these pesky Americans who want wages. I
pray to God, I am wrong, but I think there's
a chance over the next year a horrible immigration bill
will hit the House floor. And when it does hit
the House floor, get ready for a lot of people
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to try to browbeat you and me into supporting it,
because they'll point.
Speaker 4 (12:34):
Out all the pro border.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Hawk stuff in there, and they'll conveniently leave out the
other things like the mass importation of foreigners. Deporting fifty
million people needs to be priority one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine,
and ten for the Trump administration if they are truly
interested in saving America from high costs, from high crime, health, insurance, housing,
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all these problems. Not that they all get solved, but
all these problems get so much better if you deport
millions and millions of foreigners who've come into this country
over the years, all these problems. If you, however, continue
to import millions of foreigners, you will undoubtedly wake up
one day without the United States of America. If you'd
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like to know how that can happen, look at the
new mayor of New York City, elected pretty much exclusively
by foreigners. American born New Yorkers rejected him out right.
The foreigners loved the free goodies, the free hands out
and now we have to watch our greatest city burn.
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I pray to God I'm right about theory wrong one
and wrong about theory two. But I guess we shall see. Nevertheless,
let your voice be heard, Let it be loud. All
that may have made you uncomfortable, but I am right.
We have a huge show for you tonight, a great
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Speaker 3 (15:12):
We also do have to bring in talent.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
When we've got to be a talent and.
Speaker 3 (15:16):
You know, you don't.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
We don't have talented people.
Speaker 3 (15:18):
Now you don't have you don't have certain talents, and
you have to people have to learn.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Well, those comments are going over like a fart in
church today, and we thought we should probably talk to
Dave brad about that. Joining me now, Senior vice president
of Business Relations at.
Speaker 4 (15:36):
Liberty University, Dave.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Donald Trump is not making many fans with his base,
but those kinds of things. He's already rolling Scott Descent
out there on the news to try to soften that landing.
Speaker 4 (15:47):
But people were concerned, Dave. Frankly, they're angry.
Speaker 5 (15:52):
Yeah, no, they should be the America First agenda. You know. Trump,
he's feeling the pressure from all sides, right, all the
corporate buddies. They're screaming at him, saying, we want the
cheap and easy route. We've had to make our profits
for Wall Street and Main Street. Sorry Investment came out
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and said it's it's Main Street's turn. And so the
whole country's waiting, right, I mean they're being patient on
the wars Ukraine. We want that thing done. We want
all the wars rolled up. We want to see this
Department of Justice lay down the hammer and see some
results come on in. And so this is a big
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eie though, the immigration, the border. When you shut down
the border, why are you doing that? And so, you know,
I think he's gonna feel some heat on this one, Dave.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
I'm curious as to why I have my own theories.
The one that I really hope is not true is
that we have an immigration bill coming that's going to
be futrid because of our thin majority in the House,
and this is Trump prepping the for that. I pray
to God I'm wrong about that. But tell me why
is it just what you just said? Is it his
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big business buddies in his ear? No?
Speaker 4 (17:08):
No, no, no, I don't want to pay wages.
Speaker 5 (17:12):
Yeah, well, you know, just ask yourself. Similarly, why are
we voting for a seven trillion dollar Biden budget again
with a lot of Democrat stuff left in it, with
two trillion dollar deficits. And the answer is because your
representatives aren't representing the people. And so same thing on
this most every you know, especially just go around the horn, right,
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go to any state with a bunch of golf resorts
and hotels and whatever, and I'll guarantee it those congressmen
and senators and women are going to be pretty friendly
to cheap labor. And they're just smacking their own people
on the head. And you know when the president says,
we don't have the talent, we don't have the talent.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
Right.
Speaker 5 (17:53):
I've been in education my whole life. Because the corporate
guys are planting, you know, evergreen trees on their rooftops
and ceilings. Is virtue signaling instead of investing in the
kids right down across the block from you, right in Chicago,
the poor kids. The literacy rate, the reading rate right
for the third graders is twelve percent. That's not from
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right wing dot com, right, that's from the Illinois Public
Policy Institute. And so, yeah, all these corporate guys, oh,
we're in favor of ethics and we care and we
got pink ribbons and we got all sorts of cool stuff.
Speaker 4 (18:29):
But the kids right next.
Speaker 5 (18:30):
Door can't read. And oh, we're for a diversity and
race and gender and oh all those kids across all
those categories right downstairs can't read. So you know, I'm
a little cynical, but if you want to change the country,
you better teach the kids to read.
Speaker 1 (18:48):
Dave, I understand that what we're about to talk about
doesn't necessarily apply to Liberty university, of course, but Trump
also said that we've got to have these six hundred
thousand Chinese students.
Speaker 4 (18:59):
We just got to them. It's just wonderful for the country.
Speaker 1 (19:01):
And we certainly don't want any universities to go out
of business. Well, the American people, certainly the MAGA movement.
We don't want six hundred thousand Chinese spies. And we
don't give a crap if half the university system goes
out of business.
Speaker 4 (19:13):
Frankly it should.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
What is this Is this part of the trade deal
we just struck with China and he's just trying to
sell it now, No, this.
Speaker 5 (19:23):
Is probably you know, well, yes, yes to that. But
also in addition, the tech bros are putting huge pressure
and they're the huge donors, right, the Magnificent seven firms,
the trillionaire class. What people may not know is about
seventy five percent of the fortune five hundred CEOs are
democrat Most all of the Magnificent seven trillionaires are leftist,
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but they're big donors, and the Republicans don't have anyone left. Right,
we gave twenty percent of the economy away to Obamacare,
and so you know, it's kind of a survival thing.
You know, we we don't have Hollywood, we don't have education.
You know, you mentioned liberty, university, et cetera. But what people,
the average person doesn't know is the Chinese students have
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to sign a document and all workers here to the CCP. Right,
we don't hate the Chinese people, but the Communist Party
we don't like, and they have to sign a document
saying they're basically, in essence spying as you said, for
the CCP, and so if they want to come over here,
I think that if the CCP would sign a simple
document saying that the CCP and the Chinese government believes
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like we do, that all people are made in the
image of God and endowed by their creator with certain
inalienable rights like life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
And they sign their name to that document. Hey, welcome
to the US of A. And tell you sign that
document saying that no way.
Speaker 4 (20:52):
Jose Trump also said this about the economy.
Speaker 3 (20:58):
This is the greatest economy we've ever had their talking points.
Of course, Sorry, by the way, the only thing is beef.
Beef coffee is a little high because the ranchers are
doing great coffee, coffee. We're gonna lower some tariffs, We're
gonna have some coffee come in. We're going to take
all this stuff very quickly, very easily. It's surgical. It's
beautiful to watch, Dave.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
I understand that. And I'm totally fine with the Trump
bluster thing.
Speaker 4 (21:24):
It's who he is. Frankly, it's endearing.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Everything's the best ever, the most beautiful ever, the hottest ever.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
I get that. That's Trump's way. I get that. But
the economy is not good, and.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
People recently could afford a lot more than they afford now.
In telling people how great it is, it's a little insulting.
Speaker 4 (21:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (21:43):
Well, I've tried to counsel whoever I can up there
in the swamp that's advising the president, and I never
would have pivoted and cheerleaded that we own the economy. Right,
we had twenty percent inflation in Biden's four years. Right,
that's a ratchet effect. Right, Unless you get deflation or disinflation,
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those prices stay there. And so we never should have
started cheerleading and said, you know, we're going to lower price.
That's the job at the Federal Reserve for the most part,
right the price level to have stable prices. So that's
the inflation debate. I never would have gone there. And
then on productivity, I've been preaching for ten years. Productivity
has been going down for seventy years in a row.
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And so what Trump should say is, and I give
him an A plus on this thing. The major thing
that enhances productivity and GDP growth and wages is capital investment.
And that's where he's crushing it, right, That's where he's
doing good. But he's got a big problem in the
short run, right because that capital, right, two trillion US commitments,
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ten trillion foreign commitments coming in that'll take a few
years to get put in the worker's hands. And if
you put capital in the American people's hands, they're going
to do great things. They always have. Just think a
Henry Ford or whatever. Right, the American people are ready
to roll. And so Biden put us in the ditch.
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The leftist put us in the ditch. Our geopolitical strategists
missed a country called China for the past thirty years.
Got it all wrong there, our friend, you know their
kids are going to be rich and become democrat you
know yuppies. Nope, there's still communists. And so I just
never would have pivoted to, you know, saying I own
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this economy because he economically he doesn't.
Speaker 4 (23:33):
Right.
Speaker 5 (23:34):
Monetary Polici's got a year lag and fiscal policies got
a year to year and a half lag once it's implemented.
And so that that's the truth of economics.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
Is this why he leans on Jerome Powell so hard?
Is this why he just blasts away? Obviously he's trying
to push him into something. Is this what this is
all about?
Speaker 5 (23:54):
Yeah, well that's right, because in the short run, he's
just got a few lovers, right, so if he can
lower the interest you know, that'll juice things up. And
you know, there's news out today, right, I saw the
rental properties are more deflationary than we thought. It was
just bad news for the economy. But you know that
maybe there is some wiggle room.
Speaker 4 (24:14):
To lower rates.
Speaker 5 (24:15):
Right. If your lower rates, the risk is to get inflation. Right,
So inflation is at three instead of two and it
should be zero. And so if you know, if you
pump more money out there and lower interest rates, you
get more inflation. But the you know it I don't
have time to get into it. But the Federal Reserve
is a bunch of crooks, right, They've they've ruined the
economy since two thousand and eight with a financial crisis
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and the bailouts and the Fed put they always bail
out the Green Span put bails out Wall Street and
no concern for the employment and wages of Main Street.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
They appreciate you as always, brother. All right, Obamacare, I
didn't even have time to get into this with Dave.
But healthcare costs or brutal. I don't have to tell you.
We just renewed our insurance here at the office.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
It's brutal. What can we do?
Speaker 1 (25:09):
What can normal people do to try to save some
money while getting healthcare? Well, talk to doctor Carriote about
that in a moment. Before we talk to him, let
me talk to you, speaking of health, about your gut.
Speaker 4 (25:23):
Your stomach needs help, it does, especially as you get older.
Your stomach needs help.
Speaker 1 (25:28):
So many of our health problems come from our stomach.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
It's the fact, it's true. So what can you do? Well?
Speaker 1 (25:36):
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my coffee. That's what I do with it. You can
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I have chocolate coffee every single morning. But it's not
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Speaker 4 (26:20):
We'll be back.
Speaker 7 (26:31):
We will keep this promise to the American people. If
you like your doctor, you will be able to keep
your doctor period. If you like your healthcare plan, you
will be able to keep your health care plan period.
If you like your doctor or healthcare plan, you can
keep it.
Speaker 4 (26:49):
Nothing in this.
Speaker 7 (26:50):
Plan will require you or your employer to change the
coverage or the doctor you have. The only change you'll
see are falling costs as our reforms take hold. If
you like your healthcare system and your doctor, the only
thing reform will mean to you is your healthcare will
cost less. I will not sign a plan that adds
one dime to our deficits, either now or in the future.
(27:14):
It is a cost that will not, I repeat, will
not add to our deficits, will eliminate waste, fraud, and
abuse in our healthcare system, but will also take on
key causes of rising costs, saving billions while providing better
care to the American people.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
Well, that was all a freakin' lie. Thanks to Tom
Elliott at Gravy and for all that, by the way,
Joining me now the great doctor Aaron Carriotte, author of
the book Making.
Speaker 4 (27:42):
The Cut Doctor.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
People, especially younger people, they don't even remember what healthcare
was like before Obamacare. I remember going to a family
doctor and he actually talked to me instead of facing
the computer the entire time.
Speaker 4 (27:55):
What was healthcare like back in the day.
Speaker 8 (27:58):
That's right, And I think that the folks who were
around when Obama was saying those things and believed him,
perhaps voted for him, perhaps supported the so called Affordable
Care Act. I would imagine can't help watching a clip
like that and putting their face in their palm and thinking, well, no,
none of that turned out to be true. In fact,
the exact opposite turned out to be true. I didn't
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keep my doctor, my health insurance premiums went up. We
didn't cut out the bureaucratic middleman. Those administrative costs and
healthcare of only ballooned, and I'm getting care that feels
much less personalized. So yes, there was a time when
you'd go to the physician and instead of staring at
a computer screen and checking boxes and asking questions that
had very little to do with your chief complaint that
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were in fact dictated by outside forces, by managerialist forces,
whether those were coming from Medicare and Medicaid at the
federal level or enormous corporate conglomerates that had swallowed up
the local hospital or the local healthcare clinic. People had
personal relationships with their physicians not that long ago. Their
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physicians looked at them, examined them, asked them questions about
the thing that they brought in to get help with.
And all of that, unfortunately, has gone out the window,
and doctors are frustrated. Doctors are leaving medicine or retiring
early in droves that have stats on this. In the
opening chapter of the New Abnormal, patients are clearly unsatisfied
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with the current status quo. So those promises were made,
obviously failed to deliver on those promises, and now we're
left with a system in which the bloat of the
middleman has grown to enormous proportions. In fact, if you
take all the people in medicine that have some face
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to face contact with patients, doctors, nurses, X ray technicians,
the front office staff, anyone who looks at patient in
the face and says hello, and then you take all
the people in the healthcare bureaucracy that never have any FaceTime,
any face to face contact with the patient. However, brief,
the latter category currently has more people than the former category.
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So we have this whole layer of unseen bureaucracy in
healthcare that's enormously expensive, and so we need to find
ways to cut out the middleman, the middleman that's working
for the hospital compliance office that's fighting with Medicare regarding reimbursement,
the middleman at Medicare who's fighting with your hospital compliance
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office behind the scenes about reimbursement, and all the people
who are not actually contributing to patient care that are
just driving up costs. We need to find ways to
decentralize our health.
Speaker 4 (30:43):
Care system.
Speaker 8 (30:46):
With federal dollars that always comes with strings attached. We
know that, right, and so whenever you get the federal
government too involved in healthcare, and I'm not saying we
can't have it, shouldn't have any federal regular in healthcare,
but healthcare really falls to the states to regulate and
the federal government's role should be minimal.
Speaker 4 (31:07):
And I think we can.
Speaker 8 (31:09):
Find ways to deliver more affordable care. In the closing
chapters of The New Abnormal, I talk about some models
that are out there of direct primary care, of cooperative
programs that are competing now with health insurance programs, able
to negotiate prices directly with physicians and providers, and do
all kinds of things creative things to cut out the middleman.
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But that requires enough deregulation that we give doctors and
small scale localized healthcare systems room to maneuver and room
to be able to operate without being swallowed up by
the federal bureaucracy, without being swallowed up by the giant
corporate conglomerates that are currently monopolizing healthcare in the United States.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
Doctor does do these proposals you lay out in your
book and New abnormal.
Speaker 4 (32:01):
Do these proposals?
Speaker 1 (32:03):
Are they possible to do while Obamacare is still in existence?
And I asked that because I have no faith that
the GOP is actually going to be able to repeal
the freaking thing. Can we do these things while still
under the burden of Obamacare?
Speaker 4 (32:17):
Is what I want to know. We can to some extent.
Speaker 8 (32:19):
In fact, some of them are already being done in
certain states and in certain regions, so there are creative workarounds.
These bureaucratic hurdles do not make that easy, but it's
not impossible.
Speaker 4 (32:33):
We need what the Czech.
Speaker 8 (32:34):
Dissidence of the nineteen seventies called a parallel polis, basically
parallel medical institutions that sort of opt out of the
current system. And look, if the federal government decided to
target anyone or another of those small scale initiatives, they
could certainly crush it. If the corporate conglomerates decided to
target these initiatives, they could swallow them up and put
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them out of business. But the idea of these Soviet
dissidents living in the Czech Republic in the nineteen seventies
vak clab javel vaclaub benda others who wrote about this
was that you create so many of these that it's
impossible to stomp them all out, so anyone or another
of them could be targeted for elimination by the great Beast.
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But if you have enough of them, basically eventually they
start competing with the mainstream institutions. They circle back and
start influencing those mainstream institutions because they grow, you know,
significant enough that you can't ignore them anymore. I think
a good analogy for what we need in medicine is
actually the homeschooling movement, which started fifty years ago in
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the nineteen seventies, and basically you were working outside the system,
and back in the day, you know, don't tell the
neighbors that were homeschooling our own kids that were taking
responsibility for their education, because they may call child Protective
Services and literally have us put in jail. But for decades,
homeschoolers realize, no, we can actually educate our children better
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than the public school system, and we can prove that
by winning the spelling Bees and getting our kids into
prestigious colleges and doing a better.
Speaker 4 (34:07):
Job than others.
Speaker 8 (34:07):
Well, doctors are starting to prove that they can deliver
better and more affordable healthcare if they're just left alone
to do that, and so it's hard right now. It's
sort of analogous to the way the pioneers of the
homeschooling movement we're operating in the nineteen seventies. But I
would like to see those parallel medical institutions grow in
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scope and in influence. And basically today homeschooling is now
not only mainstreamed and permitted in all fifty states, but
it has circled back and influenced the charter school movement
and to some extent even the public schools who now
have to sort of compete with other people that are,
you know, doing things better in many respects. It doesn't
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mean that every experiment in homeschooling succeeded, just like every
experiment in creating new small scale healthcare delivery systems is
not going to succeed. But we have to let those
flowers bloom. We have to see which models work and
which don't work. Maybe there's going to be regional variations,
which which is why you need to allow for some
degree of localized control. So moving away from a centralized
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bureaucracy toward a more decentralized system. You know, if Republicans
can do little things around the edges with deregulation and
with dialing back a little bit of the top down control,
I think creative doctors and patient advocacy groups and so
forth at the local level will have a little bit
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more elbow room to start maneuvering and you'll start seeing
some creative solutions happening.
Speaker 1 (35:44):
Doctor concierge medicine. It's something I've looked into myself, and
I feel like it's something a lot of people are
going to want.
Speaker 4 (35:51):
But it's so expensive. Now, do you know?
Speaker 1 (35:54):
That's really that becoming bigger and more affordable for normal people.
Speaker 8 (36:00):
So it is growing. Certainly it's physicians like it much
better and patients who can afford it like it much better.
But as you just pointed out, the challenge is that
it's very expensive, so it's going to be out of
reach for most ordinary Americans. But there's a model known
as direct primary care, which is sort of concierge like,
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but it's available for everyone. It involves physicians sort of
taking control over small group practices and cutting out the
insurance company and dealing directly with a pool of patients
who basically subscribe to their services in order to get
health care that is more affordable, precisely because it cuts
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out the middleman. And I think some of those models
of direct primary care they're analogous to concierge medicine, but
they're proving to be economically sustainable and more affordable for
a larger number of patients who's healthcare premiums if they're
paying for private insurance, have just gone through the roof
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in recent years, as all of us have probably experienced
trying to even if we're employed and our employer pays
for part of our premiums, a big chunk of our
private healthcare insurance, what comes out of our pocket to
get decent insurance is often ridiculously expensive for ordinary American families.
So I'm not saying that direct primary care is going
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to be the answer to everything, but it's one of
the models that I discuss at the end of making
the cut that's starting to gain traction, and in many
cases it's proving to be viable.
Speaker 4 (37:36):
Doctor.
Speaker 1 (37:36):
Thank you as always, I appreciate it. Let's talk about
the media. That's always fun. Before we do that. What
do you take when you got to get a good
night's sleep. Everyone has a thing. Maybe wentn't got something
at the pharmacy, maybe over the counter, maybe a prescription.
Speaker 4 (37:58):
But how do you feel in the morning. You're groggy
and tired, aren't you groggy? Tired?
Speaker 1 (38:04):
You don't feel better, You don't feel rested because you
didn't get natural sleep. I like dream powder. I love
dream powder from Beam because it's natural. It's a cup
of hot chocolate, which is delicious. You would never know
there's anything in it, but it has all those natural
things you see right there on the screen in it, magnesium,
rachi and all kinds of things. You just sip on
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a delicious cup of hot chocolate before bed and then
drift off to sleep, and when you wake, that's the difference.
Speaker 4 (38:34):
You feel great. I'm gonna save a bunch of money.
Speaker 1 (38:37):
Get a bag Shopbeam dot com. Slash Jesse Kelly, we'll
be back. Let's talk about the communists, Let's talk about
the media.
Speaker 4 (38:56):
Let's just talk about.
Speaker 1 (38:57):
Well, a conversation we've had before about their mentality versus
your mentality. You know, it's a religion of destruction and domination,
and they are really never happy, they're never really satisfied
because there's always something else you can control, so you
can destroy it. This is how the communist operates. It's
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one of his one of the things that helps him.
It oftentimes hurts him as well, because he can't control
his demonic nature.
Speaker 4 (39:26):
But you know what's wild.
Speaker 1 (39:29):
When Republicans complain about media bias, Ah, they're favoring the left.
You're being honest about that. You look out and you
see all this bias favoring the left, and you're angry,
and you're totally correct about that. But you want to
hear something well when democrats. When democrats complain about the media,
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they should be doing more. If you do better reporting,
why aren't you helping us? You scoff and throw your
hands up and say things like you.
Speaker 4 (39:57):
Control ninety five percent of it? What are you talking about?
But here's the thing.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
They're being honest too, because the communist doesn't want ninety
five percent of the media. The communist wants one hundred
percent of the media. And until he has complete control
over every word on the news, in the newspaper, on
social media, is not happy. So when Summerley says things
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like this, she means.
Speaker 9 (40:25):
It, we need our electorate behind us, all parts of
our electorate. We need the media, and we rarely have
the media, So how this story gets told is going
to be a really important piece right now. They're going
to have to go up against all of Trump's media apparatus,
right social media owned by his cronies, the legacy media
that always has a little bit of a skew biased
(40:46):
towards both sizessm both sizism always benefits Republican.
Speaker 1 (40:53):
I know that it sounds crazy, what's she talking about,
but again, she's a communist. She doesn't want ninety five.
All things should be working on behalf of the revolution.
And if there's even one tiny thing that's not, the
communist feels that he is under threat. What's the result
(41:13):
of this. I want you to watch Jimmy Kimmel and
more specifically, Jimmy Kimmel's wife.
Speaker 4 (41:19):
I want you to watch this.
Speaker 10 (41:21):
Thankfully, my immediate family all they did not vote for
Donald Trump. They did the first time, a few of them,
we flip them the second time. It hurts me so
much because of the personal relationship I now have where
my husband is out there fighting this man, and to me,
(41:43):
them voting for Trump is them not voting for my
husband and me and our family and I unfortunately have
kind of lost relationships with people in my family because
of it. This is not just Republican versus Democrat from
me anymore. It is to me, it's family values. And
(42:03):
I'm angry all the time, which isn't healthy at all.
But I like personalize everything now. When I see these
terrible stories every day, I'm immediately mad at certain aunts,
uncle's cousins who put him in power. And it's really hard,
and I wish I could like deprogram myself in some way.
Speaker 1 (42:27):
She said it, and you know it's wild. You can
tell she knows it. She's been programmed. This is the
benefit the communist has when he controls everything. When he
has the control of so many of these institutions, he
can program dumb losers like that woman. And after she
is programmed, she will lose valuable relationships with family. She
(42:53):
will be miserable, angry, bitter all the time.
Speaker 4 (42:57):
And she'll know it too. She'll know.
Speaker 1 (42:59):
She'll wake up in the morning with a scowl on
her face and go to bed at night with a
scowl on her face, completely destroyed from the inside out.
That's why the communist wants control of all messaging and
even a tiny little bit escapes his grasp. It drives
him insane. Remember that we have light in the mood. Next,
(43:30):
all right, it's time to lighten the mood. That was
a bit of a heavy show, so we thought it
would be appropriate to lighten the mood and remind everybody,
remind you, remind me that as much as we may
get frustrated from time to time with the current administration,
boy did we dodge a bullet in November.
Speaker 11 (43:49):
I was aware of my opponent's strategy, and I wasn't
about to fall prey or fall into those traps. And
part of his strategy and those around him, was to
try and take me off our game and message. And
(44:12):
I wasn't about to be distracted by those little those
flames that he was trying to throw to get me
away from one of my highest priority, which was talking
to people about the economy and their well being in
terms of their financial well being. And that's so I was.
I understood the game that I was being played, and
(44:32):
I made a decision that I wasn't gonna get played.
And yeah, three dimensional chests, I'm telling you, you know.
Speaker 1 (44:51):
Three dimensional chests versus what other kind? I think, you
know what a suitable
Speaker 5 (45:02):
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