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December 18, 2025 46 mins

White House Chief of Staff Susie Wiles just committed a huge unforced error by granting an interview to Vanity Fair, thus allowing Democrats to control the narrative. Jesse Kelly discusses why this was such a big mistake alongside Katie Zacharia. This comes as President Trump just sent a historic armada to surround Venezuela. What is the endgame here? Joshua Phillipp of the Epoch Times joins Jesse with some important reporting. Plus, Charles Cornish-Dale weighs in on some serious immigration news.

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Speaker 1 (00:02):
We're making unforced errors and we shouldn't. We'll talk about that.
We're going to talk about what's going on with men globally.
What's this blue slip stuff Trump is so angry about.
Katie Zacharia joins us. All that and more coming up
on them, right, all right, So in a few minutes,

(00:28):
we're gonna interview Katie Zachariah, and I'll tell you right now,
she's pretty somber on how we're looking for the midterms
and potentially.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
Twenty twenty eight.

Speaker 1 (00:37):
So whether or not that happens, we have to assume
we're approaching a time where we might lose power power
in Washington, DC. We know how evil the Communists are.
We remember it was an ancient history. We remember how
they operated under Joe Biden, arresting, murdering their political opponents.

Speaker 2 (00:56):
Everything had to be gay.

Speaker 1 (00:58):
It was the worst friggin thing world And we know,
you know, I know they'll do worse next time. They're
not sorry, they're not regretful. They think they didn't bring
in enough illegals last time. So that's what we're facing
if the Communists come back to power.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
So what I'm about to.

Speaker 1 (01:14):
Say, I want you to know. That's that's where I'm
coming from when I say what I'm about to say.
We have to operate with a level of seriousness, am viciousness.
We have to be intelligent with how we're fighting right now.
We can't afford mistakes. It was a story yesterday. I'm

(01:38):
just gonna touch on it just for a minute. Vanity Fair.
Vanity Fair, communist magazine. Vanity Fair puts out a nasty
hit piece on Susie Wiles' White House chief of staff.
It's not just a hit piece on Susie Wiles. They
stooped so low as to find the worst picture of

(02:00):
Caroline Levitt ever and published it. I mean, they just
did everybody dirty in the whole thing. Okay, they're communists, that's.

Speaker 2 (02:10):
What they do.

Speaker 1 (02:12):
Susie Wiles sat down with Vanity Fair for eleven straight days.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
Eleven days.

Speaker 1 (02:23):
We gave eleven days to Vanity Fair, giving them all
the ammunition they need to create a twenty four hour
news cycle, of course taking words out of context, and
of course they did. Of course they would lieing about everything.
This is unacceptable. We don't have time for this. The

(02:47):
urgency needs to be there. We don't have time for
Washington people to fall in love with the thought of
maybe getting a lovely article in the New York Times
or Vanity Fair about themselves, and that's exactly what happens.
They get out on the campaign trio and they talk
to you, and they talk to me, and they're gonna

(03:08):
fight the system, and they're gonna drain the swamp.

Speaker 2 (03:10):
And they're gonna do all these things.

Speaker 1 (03:12):
And then they get to Washington, DC and they just
can't help themselves. The sirens song of maybe getting a
nice piece and Vanity Fair, you can show your mother.
It's too much, and soon we're getting blasted for it.
It's not the end of the world, yesterday's news. It's
not the end of the world, but it is indicative

(03:34):
that maybe we're not operating with the level of seriousness
and urgency we should. When the communists come back to power,
they're going to do everything they can to make sure
we never have another shot at it. That's how nasty
and demonic these people are. You think they arrested a
lot of Republicans last time. I think they destroyed a

(03:54):
lot of people in the Trump administration last time, including
attempts to destroy Trump himself. Last time was the appetizer.
Last time was the cheddar Bay biscuits before red Lobster
brings you the main course. We have to be better,
We have to be sharper. This is not good enough,
White House. I hope you're listening. That may have made

(04:18):
you uncomfortable, but I am right. Katie Zachariya has got
some some sobering analysis about how we're looking in the
midterms twenty twenty eight. What's happening with this blue slip stuff?
If she joins us in just a moment before she
joins us. We also have Charles cornish Dale coming up
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Speaker 3 (05:42):
As for the Vanity Fair article, Michael, take your question directly.
This is, unfortunately another example of disingenuous reporting where you
have a reporter who took the chief of staff's words
wildly out of context, did not include the context those
conversations were had within. And further, I think the most
egregious part of this article was the bias of omission

(06:05):
that was clearly present. And we see a lot of
this when dealing with the media every day. You will
leave out important context, leave out comments in facts. You
know many people in this building spoke with that reporter
in those comments were never included in the story, probably
because it didn't push this false narrative of chaos and
confusion that the reporter was clearly trying to push.

Speaker 1 (06:30):
Joining me now, Katie Zachariah, legal and political strategist Katie,
I think very highly of Caroline Levitt. I think she's
super sharp, thinks she's excellent at her job. She deals
with the media every day, Susy Wilds deals with the
media every single day. How can you be so dumb
to sit down with them for eleven days and think
you're gonna get any other result than the one you got.

Speaker 2 (06:49):
That's my problem with the whole thing.

Speaker 4 (06:52):
I agree with you. I love President Trump. On the
campaign trail, he used this poem called the Snake, and
it was you in the context of immigration and illegal immigration,
where this woman lets in this snake from the cold,
and she warms it up and eventually the snake bites
her and kills her. But why is this the biggest

(07:16):
analogy in my mind to an interview eleven interviews with
Vanity Fair. They have basically decided to deny what a
snake is and invite the snake into their home, the
White House, and expect the snake to not have snake
like traits, to not turn around and bite them when
it is beneficial. So I'm completely with you. I think

(07:39):
they might have set out with the right intent that
they wanted to present a nicer, more beautiful look of
the White House, but they're dealing with a snake that's
always going to be a snake, and eventually, what does
the snake say at the end of President Trump's poem,
Oh shut up, silly woman, said the reptile with a grin.
You knew, damn well, I was a snake before you

(08:00):
took me in. And in my mind, this is the
exact equivalent of Vanity Fair. Vanity Fair for the last
ten or eleven or twelve years has done nothing but
hit pieces and been vile to President Trump. Why in
twenty twenty five are we thinking that this is any different, Jesse.

Speaker 1 (08:22):
I don't know, By the way, my wife would one
hundred percent take a snake in.

Speaker 2 (08:25):
I know she would.

Speaker 1 (08:26):
She'd be like, it's sick because something I know she
would do that, all right. It's part of the problem, Katie,
that even if you have the right intention you get
to DC, whether you're a senator in the White House,
you still want that puff piece in the New York Times.
You can't help yourself. You want CBS to give you
a glowing profile. You want Vanity Fair to make your
eyes look pretty. It's just it's like they can't It's

(08:47):
like the sirens. They can't stay away from them.

Speaker 4 (08:50):
Right, I think it's exactly what you're saying. People are
drawn to this, except when you're outside of DC. It's
so easy to look at Vanity Fair, Vogue, all these
different journals and different newspapers and see for what it is.
But then you get there and they lure this bright,
shiny object in front of you. We want to do
a nice puff piece, we want to look make you

(09:10):
look good. But they're never going to change. They're never
going to change. And this is part of the problem.
It's is it the chicken or the egg? Are they
feeding off of people's egos to continue making them look
good and bolster them in the media. What if all
this went away, What if we just focused on it
doesn't even have to be all right wing media, but
fair and balanced media that's somewhat center taking, taking kind

(09:33):
of this middle of the road. No, they still go
to the far left, the Washington Post, the New York Times,
Vanity Fair, and they want this nice article. It's never
gonna happen. It's never gonna happen until you get rid
of the leadership at these different journals Washington Post for instance.
These types of these types of hit pieces are forever
more going to occur until they decide to get rid

(09:55):
of all of the people running it.

Speaker 2 (09:57):
Jesse, The stakes are obviously, Hi.

Speaker 1 (10:02):
Everyone remembers how the Communists operated under Joe Biden for
four years, and for them, that was just wetting their whistle.

Speaker 2 (10:08):
That was just an appetizer.

Speaker 1 (10:09):
What's going to happen if we lose the House of
Representatives at the midterms.

Speaker 4 (10:13):
I've been so so clear on this, Jesse. We will lose. First,
I'll go on the long game. We will lose the
twenty eight presidential the Republicans. It is my opinion that
if we do not keep the House, President Trump will
be suffering under all of the hikeeen Jeffreys impeachment inquiries,
and we will be on the complete defense for the

(10:34):
final two years of President Trump's term. We won't get
nothing done, nothing accomplished. We're already not getting anything accomplished.
In my mind, there is so much the House and
Senate could be doing. There's so much that they could
be implementing, and they are just slow rolling every single thing.
So what happens when the Democrats regained majority. Nancy Pelosi

(10:55):
was just on an interview with USA today and she
was asked, are you confident that we're that the Democrats
will be able to take the majority, And she said,
I'm not confident. I am sure of it. I am
sure we're going to take it. It's only three seats
that's necessary. And while she's a little bit senile in
these days, I actually agree unless the Republicans really change
the trajectory and what they're doing. The Miami mayoral race

(11:19):
was the bell weather for me that the Republican we
lost a stronghold, a Republican strongholder, a Republican was mayor
for thirty years while it's a nonpartisan office we all
know it is, and we lost to a Democrat. And
I think this is a key indication that this was
the one that the Republican that lost was Trump backed
and we still lost it in Florida of all places.

(11:41):
And so if the Republicans don't get serious and I
mean extremely serious about healthcare overhaul, Speaker Johnson just said
he was going to implement all of the presidents or
many of the President's executive orders. Why are we waiting
so long to do all of this? Jesse? We have
a very short amount of time to start accomplishing all this,

(12:03):
and it just seems like they're dragging their feet and
resisting the President at every step of the way. So
what happens in twenty six. I don't think it's looking
good for the Republicans right now. I really don't. And
then long long game, it doesn't look good for twenty
eight presidential.

Speaker 2 (12:20):
Katie.

Speaker 1 (12:21):
I know it seems nonsensical, but do Republicans want to
be in the minority, then you don't have to actually
do anything.

Speaker 2 (12:29):
You don't have to have any courage at all.

Speaker 1 (12:30):
You can just sit there and whine and complain and
send out fundraising texts to you and me send me
twenty dollars. But I feel like they want to be
in the minority.

Speaker 4 (12:40):
It feels that way. It feels they we have this
golden opportunity, right we work so hard, I work so hard,
and they work so hard, allegedly to get President Trump
back in office after four years of the disaster of
Joe Biden and Kamala Harris, and we beat Kamala and
we beat her really well. However, we're not taking advantage
of this time that we have in office. So do

(13:02):
Republicans want to be in the minority? You make a
great point. They're not fighting like they want to be
in the majority. What does that look like? I know
that nuking the filibuster can be controversial. It has its downsides,
it has its upsides. If the Democrats were in power
and they knew that twenty six midterms were looming and
they were going to likely lose, and then that then

(13:24):
had an indication that they would likely lose the presidency,
they would be doing everything in their power to be
ramming through their agenda. And yet Republicans want to talk
about blue slip courtesy and not nuking the filibuster because
it could come back and honesus Jesse. If they don't
pass voter ID proof of citizenship under the Save Act,

(13:45):
Republicans will likely not win for a very long time
if we don't have a regulation on our election. So
I don't know why they want to be so weak
in the need. I honestly don't handy.

Speaker 1 (13:59):
What is this blues the blue slip stuff? Can you
explain it to stupid people like me? Because Trump is
super hot on it and he's angry with Republicans about it.

Speaker 2 (14:07):
What does this mean?

Speaker 5 (14:09):
So?

Speaker 4 (14:10):
The Senate Judiciary Committee, which is led by Chuck Grassley
right now, is the blue slip existed about since nineteen seventeen,
and what it is is it gives the home state senator.
So let's use Let's use Alena Habba's case for example.
So President Trump nominated his former attorney, Alena Habba to

(14:31):
be the US Attorney in New Jersey. And what is
the blue slip? So the blue slip gives Andy Kim
and Corey Booker, the two home senators from New Jersey,
the ability to basically say, eh, we don't want Alena
to be in office and submit that to Chuck Grassley.
And then Alena Habba does not get an opportunity to

(14:52):
even go through a full Senate hearing, a full Senate
committee hearing and nomination process. She just gets overridden by
the two homes signe home state senators. And again this
is not codified in any senatorial rules. There is no
there is no framework for this except tradition and policy.
And it existed at a time when you could where

(15:14):
or partisan politics. Even twenty years ago, we're not so
so hell bent on blocking anything against President Trump did,
or a Republican or Democrat did. They could actually maybe
get through some Republicans in a blue state or Democrats
and a red state. But we don't live in that
time anymore. Jesse, where where in California you're going to

(15:34):
have these Adam Schiff override a US attorney appointment by
President Trump or or Corey Booker for Elena Habba. And
so it's outdated in my mind. It really look you
look at two different processes. You look at US attorneys
which kind of fall under the DOJ and the president's
executive authority and his Article two powers, and then you

(15:57):
look at the judges the deed that right now it's
just specifically district court judges actually grassly kind of moved
it over to circuit court judges where you could go
through a full confirmation process and not the blue slips,
but district court judges still go under the blue slip process.
And I look at the infringement on his ability to

(16:18):
actually execute criminal justice proceedings, which is under his Article
two powers and under the DOJ. And we have two
active grand jury indictments for Comy and Letitia James sitting
in Virginia, and a US attorney that they will not
approve that the two Home senators in Virginia have said

(16:40):
we're not going to approve Lindsay Halligan, and so we
can't actually execute on these two standing grand jury indictments
because we don't have a prosecutor. So they're using this
tradition to block the president's ability to execute on criminal
justice reform, criminal justice and prosecutorial duties, which is an
extension of his executive power. So whether it can build

(17:04):
to this, does he have a viable case or a
viable lawsuit? All I will say is it infringes on
his article IWO powers for appointments and then execution powers
on prosecutions. And that is a dangerous place when we
have people like Comy and James that need to be
held accountable.

Speaker 2 (17:21):
Jesse, gosh, we are so freaking screwed. Katie. You have
a merry Christmas, all right, Jez, all right, pick your
chin up.

Speaker 1 (17:34):
We'll keep on marching here. Look at least my gut
feels good. I have colostrum in it. It's actually in
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Speaker 2 (17:39):
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Speaker 2 (18:20):
We'll be back. All right.

Speaker 1 (18:31):
Well, I keep saying this because it seems like we're
almost ready to go to war with Venezuela.

Speaker 2 (18:38):
But we're almost ready to go to war with Venezuela.
I think I don't know.

Speaker 1 (18:41):
Trump puts out a statement says the Maduro regime needs
to return.

Speaker 2 (18:44):
I want to make sure I read this right, oil
land or any other assets.

Speaker 1 (18:49):
And he's designated the regime as a foreign terrorist organization.

Speaker 2 (18:53):
What does all this mean? Where are we going?

Speaker 1 (18:55):
Let's talk to Joshua Philip about this host of crossroads
with Joshua Philip. All right, Joshua, well, what's happening? What
other assets? What's he talking about?

Speaker 2 (19:05):
So?

Speaker 5 (19:06):
I saw Trump's tweet? So a few areas to this.
Everybody thought it was just about the drug boats.

Speaker 2 (19:12):
Right.

Speaker 5 (19:12):
Trump's down there blowing up the drug boats, saying it's
trend A Arragua and the cartail the Suns, which is
the Venezuelan government in Maduro being involved in the drug trade.
And now he's talking about oil and land, and everyone's saying, hey,
here we go another oil war.

Speaker 2 (19:26):
You know.

Speaker 5 (19:27):
But what I assume this is about is Guyana, just
north of Venezuela. And it's actually something I've been talking
about kind of from the get go, because to me,
this has never been really just about drugs. This has
been about restoring the Packs Americana, restoring the Monroe doctrine,
and also about preventing a war which Venezuela and Brazil

(19:48):
were just about to start literally a few months before
they started blowing up the drug boats. So again, the
main point here is Guyana, little tiny country just north
of Venezuela, where they discovered several years back one of
the world's largest oil reserves, and where you have eggs
on and the United States having a heavy presence doing

(20:09):
an oil exploration, an oil drilling, and notably when Venezuela
cleared in its law to actually seize part of that
country because they claim they have partial ownership of it.
They moved their military to the border, they were doing
military drills. They moved their navy right there, right next
to the eggs on mobile oil platforms. And that's when

(20:29):
Trump started this whole thing. So I assume that's what
he's referring to.

Speaker 1 (20:35):
Okay, they never moved on Guyana. Let's talk about this blockade.

Speaker 2 (20:41):
We have going down there.

Speaker 1 (20:42):
Those things are only as successful as you know, as
you can trade with other countries in your area. If
you can't put anything on a ship, how many allies
did they have around them?

Speaker 5 (20:53):
Well, so, Venezuela is close allies with Cuba. In fact,
under Chavez, Javez and Fidel Castor were big buddies and
basically they were kind of They were one of the
main areas that brought back the Cuban economy for a bit.

Speaker 2 (21:09):
They do they do trade.

Speaker 5 (21:10):
He had pretty heavily with Brazil, pretty heavily with Columbia,
but not enough to really support their economy. The sanctions
have hit the main area of the Venezuelan economy, which
is oil. It's basically oil and drugs, and that's almost
about it. The sanctions cut off the oil. They still
trade with Iran still trade with China really heavily and effectively.

(21:33):
They've been using what are called black ships. Ships go
in the area, turn off their beacons, go dark, get
the oil traded. And that's how they've been avoiding sanctions.

Speaker 1 (21:44):
Okay, So if we start to strangle that, and apparently
we are going to start to strangle that, is this
a country that's going to collapse? I mean, from what
I understand, the people are already starving. What's it like there?

Speaker 5 (21:57):
So this is the important context. A lot of this,
I would say, goes back to twenty eighteen Venezuelan elections
took place. Maduro right he was accused of rigging the elections.
Trump's first term in office, mass protests in Venezuela. People
were rioting on the streets saying Maduro stole the election.

(22:19):
And actually the even Biden, even the bidministration also upheld
that Maduro stole the election. That's how bipartisan this was.
Trump was talking about sending US military assets to Venezuela
to effectively help with regime change, to put down the
Maduro regime because they were persecuting their own citizens. What

(22:40):
happened was that Maduro actually called out to China and
Russia and Iran for help. Russia sent two nuclear bombers
to Venezuela and then sent a message to the United
States saying if America intervenes, it'll be catastrophic, effectively giving
veiled nuclear threats and also said of America intervenes, is

(23:00):
going to be bloodshed. And then China, the Chinese regime,
they went to the United Nations and framed the United
States as being a colonial power and pushing this colonial idea,
which again they're talk about the Monroe doctrine, trying to
control of the States, and Trump actually backed off, but
the country has never been stable after Russia and China

(23:20):
stepped in to keep Maduro in power. Maduro was actually
using various cartels as the kind of foot soldiers to
stay in power. They were kicking indoors, shooting people point blank,
arresting people, I mean the whole nine yards, and life
for the average Venezuelan has gone down since then, so
it's gotten worse, not better, And effectively, the only reason

(23:43):
the regime is still there is because basically support from
Russia and China. When Trump said he's going to make
regime change. This time, Maduro did the same thing. Russia, China, Iran.
He sent out calls, there were open reports on it,
and they're not coming to help him.

Speaker 2 (23:57):
Trump.

Speaker 5 (23:58):
Trump has China, you know, held pretty heavy economically right now.
They're not going to risk ruining their economy. Russia is
not going to come to the rescue. They can barely
they can barely survive in the war they're in right now,
let alone support a second war. So Russia actually called
on Russian citizens to leave. And Iran is not in
a powerful position either, especially not after you know the

(24:19):
bombings of their nuclear facilities and you know the back
and forth they've had with Israel. None of the countries
that would rescue them are capable of it right now.

Speaker 1 (24:28):
So he's fresh out of friends. All right, Let's let's
talk a little cartel stuff, because the government essentially is
a cartel there, and we have Mexican cartels and the
Trump administration is very loud about the fact they've declared
war on these cartels.

Speaker 2 (24:41):
What effect has it had on them?

Speaker 5 (24:44):
So this is this is something important. So when Trump
is running for office, and you know, he's done it
since then, one of his campaign talking points was He's
going to use the full military, military intelligence, special forces, raids,
naval blockades, the whole nine yards to fight and destroy
the cartels. He also said something very interesting though. Trump

(25:05):
said that if any country or any leader tries to
stop him from doing that, he will expose the ties
or connections of that leader to the cartels. And he's
done that, right. They've declared that Maduro is the leader
of the cartel of the suns as are the heads
of many of the people in his regime. They've declared that.

(25:26):
You know, the president in Colombia has also tied him
with the cartels because he tried defending tried defending Maduro
and try to stop Trump from acting there. He's even
levying similar kind of veiled threats to Mexico right now.
So this ties into something bigger and how we understand drugs.
Drugs are not just about money. Drugs are a tool

(25:49):
to kind of create puppet states. So the drug trade,
a lot of it in Latin America, was actually started
up through a program between the Chinese Communist Party in Cuba.
This goes back to when Fidel Castro was still in
power and back when maozedon was still head of the CCP,
Maozedon came up with a drug warfare plan which is
actually publicly listed in their unrestricted Warfare doctrine, using effectively

(26:13):
Cuban intelligence networks to establish drug trade networks, training narco
terrorist organizations in China, though they're basically Maoist communist groups,
and then using those to spread corruption using drugs, then
using the money from drugs to push political campaigns, and
then using criminality to effectively kill the opposition of the

(26:36):
political campaigns, planting various leaders in power throughout the entire region,
and then using those leaders to clear the way even
more so for the drug trade. More money, more political money,
more campaign money, and of course more influence to buy
people off, corrupt people, compromise people, kill off opponents, and
effectively seize control of the region. This was the method

(26:59):
use of using criminality to effectively take over most of
Latin America. The Chinese Communist Party in Cuba were deeply
involved with it, as was Hugo Chaves, and so as
it relates now to Maduro being the leader of the
cartel the Suns. That's why effectively drugs have been a
tool to manufacture puppet States and get leaders in place

(27:22):
tight in with it.

Speaker 1 (27:24):
Joshua, Well, what exactly were we doing when Mao z
Dun was taking over the continent that's just south of us.

Speaker 5 (27:32):
Well, you know, we had the war on drugs, and
America is of course fighting you know, contra battles. I
don't think America properly fought it though, really to an extent,
we did maintain the Monroe doctrine, you know, mid early
eighteen hundreds policy, no European colonies in Latin America. All
of the Americas is our backyard, nobody outside of it.

(27:55):
And so that kept out, of course, European colonies. In
the eighteen hundreds, moving into the Cold War, work kept
out the Soviets, kept out the Chinese. But we actually
began losing that battle around the time of Hugo Javas,
so Hugo Chaves working together openly with Fidel Castro. Again
back to this entire network they did. They made various

(28:16):
interregional unions, so unions of Latin American powers where the
countries themselves worked together, did not include the United States
or Canada, but brought in Russia and China and Iran, right,
a lot of money from China. Belton wrote, Initiative Infrastructure
Projects debt traps. They basically enslaved the countries of the

(28:39):
debt that all came in and a lot of the
pilot programs were actually done in Venezuela. But what the
reason behind this, as publicly stated by Castro and publicly
stated by Javas, and remember Maduro was handpicked by Javas,
was to push out the United States to eliminate the
Monroe doctrine. And so actually, I think it's very telling

(29:01):
right now that what did Trump just come out and say,
what did Petexa? You say, they're going to start restoring
them in Row doctrine, They're going to begin enforcing it.
We're going to start creating friendly nations, and we're going
to start overthrowing unfriendly nations. And I think Maduro, you know,
in Venezuela. I think I think he is going to
be the first to go as part of this.

Speaker 1 (29:23):
That's wonderful. Tell me about this documentary you have coming out,
Truth under Fire.

Speaker 5 (29:29):
Oh yeah, So I just finished a documentary. It's out
now on Epic tv dot com epoch tv dot com.
So I did a documentary about Charlie Kirk it's called
truth under fire, the framing of Charlie Kirk, and it
goes into the hit piece machine. It goes into how
the media falsely labeled him as you know, a bigot
and a racist and an anti semi and whatever other

(29:50):
label they want to come up with, How the media
used underhanded tricks frame those narratives, and the infrastructure tied
in with it, the advocacy organizations groups like the ACLU
for example, that label people, define people, and then train
government agencies even on how to target groups that have

(30:11):
that type of label, and how through the propaganda networks
that have labeled Charlie Kirk like that, it probably led
to him being killed. And I think this is a
bigger picture than this Charlie Kirk. It's something a lot
of conservatives have faced death threats, you know, dosing the
whole nine yards, and there's a machine behind it. So
this documentary exposes that machine.

Speaker 1 (30:34):
About that. I would encourage everyone go watch this. We
need to remember our martyr and remember how evil the
media is. Joshua, I appreciate your brother, Thank you. I
appreciate it. That's fascinating stuff. I'm so much smarter now.
I'm going to go tell that to everybody and act
like I came up with all of it. I'm going
to tell people I came up with dream powder from
Beam too. It's not true, obviously, it's their product, but

(30:57):
I love it so much that I'll just take credit
for it. You know, you can have a cup of
hot chocolate before bed that'll have you sleep like a
baby every night.

Speaker 2 (31:04):
You know that it's delicious.

Speaker 1 (31:06):
If I didn't tell you there were natural things in it,
like magnesium and this stuff, you would have no idea.

Speaker 2 (31:12):
It's just a cup.

Speaker 1 (31:13):
Of hot chocolate, cinnamon chocolate actually, and you'll sleep like
a baby, and you'll wake up in the morning feeling good,
ready to go, not with that groggy, drugged out ready
to go shockbeam dot com slash Jesse Kelly.

Speaker 2 (31:30):
We'll be back.

Speaker 1 (31:40):
There is some good news out there, you Everything doesn't
have to be.

Speaker 2 (31:43):
Dark and black pilled.

Speaker 1 (31:44):
Trump just expanded the travel band to countries, lovely countries,
you know, like Syria. We already have ones on places
like Afghanistan, Haiti, Iran, Yemen. But that does raise a
very interesting question. I'll ask Charles Cornishdale that Ashton he
wrote that book, wonderful book by the way the last men.
I would highly encourage you to read that book, Charles.

(32:07):
How is the West going to survive without wonderful people
coming in from Syria and Afghanistan? I mean, what what
won't the food get planned?

Speaker 6 (32:17):
Well, look we we do have the recipes now, Jesse,
so we.

Speaker 2 (32:25):
So.

Speaker 6 (32:26):
But yeah, I mean it's I mean, it's a it's
a it's a it's a good thing. I mean, it's
a it's a good thing, isn't it. I mean it
it satisfies common sense that actually, look, you know these countries,
you know, you import people from these countries, and and
you know the people you import end up committing heinous

(32:46):
acts of terrorism. And I mean, why wouldn't you have
a travel ban? I mean it's obviously controversial, you know,
it upsets liberals, but it satisfies the basic tenets of
common sense.

Speaker 1 (32:59):
Charal, just from a thirty thousand foot view, watching Western
civilization massively import foreign barbarians over the decades and watching
the results of that, Why did it happen? Why is
it happening? Why are these people honestly all over Europe,
all over America? Why are they so committed to this
obvious destruction? When it violates common sense.

Speaker 6 (33:23):
Yeah, well that's a good question, and you know, I
think about it a lot, and I still am not
entirely sure that I've come up with a satisfactory answer.
I mean, it's certainly yeah, it doesn't. It doesn't satisfy
the basic tenets of common sense. It doesn't seem to
you know, if you want to maintain a high functioning, safe, peaceful,

(33:44):
prosperous society. It's the opposite of what you would do.
And yet mass immigration has reached record levels across the
Western world, you know, I mean, just okay, So here's
an example. Look at what happened in the Great Britain
under Boris Johnson. So Boris Johnson, conservative prime minister elected

(34:04):
just before the pandemic, massive majority mandate for immigration restriction.
This is a man who famously quotes from quotes Homer
in ancient Greek. You know, he's a classical scholar, he's
a conservative, supposedly, and what does he do. He ends
up importing a record million plus people a year. In fact,

(34:27):
I think during Boris Johnson's tenure, something like four million
people came to Great Britain. Yeah, it's called it's called
the Boris wave. They actually call it the Boris Wave
because it's you know, so you get a conservative you
elect a conservative government that's promising immigration restriction, and you
get four million immigrants, and not only that, immigrants, not

(34:50):
immigrants from Europe as when you know, Britain was part
of the EU and that was problem enough. People were
upset enough about hundreds of thousands of Polish people coming
to Britain. But then we leave the EU and what
do you get. You get four million people from India, Pakistan,
Africa instead from the Third World. So it gets even worse.

(35:13):
I mean, I think you have to conclude basically that
the people in charge simply hate their own citizens. I mean,
that's the conclusion I come back to time and time again.
These people actively hate the countries and the people they
govern and want to destroy them.

Speaker 1 (35:31):
Yeah, we've got those on our side of the pond too.
They tell us all the time that America was built
by immigrants. What a thing to say to a country
of citizens. Charles, by the way, speaking of your side
of the pond, did someone go to prison for text messages?

Speaker 2 (35:44):
What's happening over there?

Speaker 6 (35:47):
Yeah it's not the first either. So yeah, so Joey
Barton has been sentenced to prison for sending supposedly offensive
messages to a TV personality, to a black TV personality.
But this kind of thing happens all the time. I mean,
social media is heavily heavily surveiled now, but not only

(36:08):
social media, people's private communications. So there was the really
crazy case recently of a woman who was convicted of
a hate crime and I don't think she's been sentenced yet,
but she's facing something like ten years in prison because
she referred to a man who sexually assaulted her in
a private text message. She referred to the man as

(36:29):
a faggot. And she has been convicted of a hate
crime and could go to prison for ten years. So
I mean it, yeah, I mean it's as bad as
people say it really is. You know, Elon Musk on
Twitter is hammering Britain and has been hammering Britain for
months and months and months for you know, this appalling

(36:51):
deterioration in terms of civil liberties and freedom. But he's right,
and actually I think a lot of people in Britain
are quite grateful to Elon Musk actually for really shining
a light into all of this murk because it's only
getting worse. I mean, Britain is becoming a very very sinister,
very very scary place.

Speaker 1 (37:14):
Charles, I admit that I don't. I haven't had a
ton of life experience with Brits. Most of mine came
with British Royal Marines when I was in the Marines,
and so obviously I have that window. But they were
so patriotic, they loved their country. They also drank like fish,
but that's another story. They love their country. Is there
a breaking point where people like that rise up and

(37:37):
say no more?

Speaker 6 (37:40):
Well, I mean, you'd think we'd have reached it many
many times. Over look at the Grooming Gang scandal for example.
The scale I mean, the Grooming gang scandal actually is
an atrocity basically on a scale that's comparable to a
war zone. You know, tens of thousands, maybe hundreds of
thousands of white British girls raped, groomed, some even murdered,

(38:05):
deliberately targeted by South Asian muslim Men mainly from Pakistan
because they were white, non Muslims. And you know, it's
the kind of atrocity that you'd actually expect to see
somewhere like the Balkans in the nineteen nineties. I mean,
it's basically ethnic cleansing, is what it is. And actually,
as you know, as the full scale of that atrocity

(38:27):
has been revealed, there has been huge public anger, without
a doubt. I mean, it really is a very live issue,
and if you travel around the country, if you go
to small towns and cities, you do get the sense
that people are very, very There's a febrile atmosphere. People
definitely are worked up. They are really starting to think about,

(38:49):
you know, about what's going on and what can be done.
But yes, we absolutely haven't reached our breaking point yet,
but I mean it could happen. I won't say it won't,
but I'm nevertheless surprised. You know, it's been a catalog
of atrocities, and you know, immigration has got so bad,
and the economy is bad, and civil liberties are being
eroded at such a rate that actually, yes, it does

(39:11):
make you wonder what more could happen before people do
actually take matters into their own hands.

Speaker 2 (39:19):
We've got an issue here in America.

Speaker 1 (39:21):
I don't know how big it is over there, but
we have violent trainees all over this country, people who've
been had things injected inside of them had their body
parts chopped off, and now they regularly shoot up schools
and try to execute people. We just had a TRANDIFA
group of commies planning on some New Year's terrorism, included
a marine vet. I'm ashamed to say, Charles, you saw

(39:43):
this coming a long time ago.

Speaker 6 (39:45):
Why, yeah, I did so. I've been writing about this
kind of stuff for quite some time. I mean, I think, basically,
in basic terms, you have to look at transgender people
as kind of prime candidates for radicalization. I mean, they
are already the most radicalized left wing people basically in

(40:05):
the US. For the most part, most people who are
transgender will be of an extremely radical leftists type. But
what you have to what you have to think, I think,
is that you know, the Trump administration is clamping down
on transgenderism in certain respects, clamping down on the gender
reassignment surgeries, clamping down on hormonal surgery as well. And

(40:27):
that is the way that transgender people reproduce, if you will,
in inverted commas, you know, every single group, every single
society cares about reproducing itself, and that is how transgender
people reproduce, is they get other people to think that
they're transgender, they have surgery, they have hormonal therapy, and

(40:49):
then they become transgender, and the transgender movement grows. So
what Trump is really doing by clamping down on that
is he's actually, he really is posing an existential threat
to the re production of transgenderism as an ideology and
more broadly a social movement or grouping. So they do feel,
these already radicalized people really do feel that they are

(41:11):
under existential assault. And that's why I think these people
are increasingly turning violent. And you know, we've seen a
lot of we've seen a lot of violence already in
the first ten months of the Trump presidency. People forget
that in February, a transgender man, Ryan Michael English I

(41:32):
seem to remember his name, being tried to assassinate Treasury
Secretary Scott Bess and burn down the Heritage Foundation. So
that was just a month into the Trump presidency. Then
you've got things like the Zizians, this radical transgender vegan cult.
They'd be murdering people across the US. You know, the

(41:56):
man who probably killed Charlie Kirk, he had a transgender
boyfriend and a furry obsession. And then it turns out
that actually the weirdo who tried to assassinate Donald Trump
and very nearly did. In Butler last year, he had
a furry obsession and also seems to have thought that

(42:19):
he was non binary, that he was transgender as well.
So there's a very clear pattern. I think that's emerging here,
and I think it behooves the authorities to take it
as seriously as possible. I don't think that this is random.
I think that this is very definitely a pattern, and
they need to pay attention to it because that they're
going to try and kill more people they really are.

Speaker 2 (42:43):
Furries.

Speaker 1 (42:44):
It just makes me feel so old that this stuff
even exists. All right, Charles, tell me about The Last Men, because.

Speaker 2 (42:50):
It really is an important read. Certainly form men, tell
me about this.

Speaker 6 (42:54):
Yeah. So this is my new book. It's just come out.
It came out yesterday via sky As. You can get
it in hardback, kindle and audiobook formats from Amazon in
the US. This is my this is my intervention really
in the ongoing debate about the crisis of masculinity. You know,

(43:14):
what is happening to men in the world. Why are
men basically you know, unable to be men anymore? And
there's a lot of writing about this, as people like
Jordan Peterson. Senator Josh Harley has a book, but none
of them have really focused on the biological roots, the

(43:34):
biological changes that are taking place that are actually making
it much harder for men to be men. And in particular,
what's happening is we've got this civilizational decline in testosterone levels.
Testosterone is the master male hormone. It's responsible for muscle mass, energy, motivation, libido, aggression,

(43:55):
other things as well, but it really testosterone is what
makes men men. And we're seeing something like a one
percent year on year decline in testosterone levels across the
Western world and maybe actually even in the non Western
world as well. And so I'm looking at this problem
of masculinity from the perspective of hormones. What is happening

(44:17):
to our hormones and why is it happening? And I
talk about things like exposure to harmful chemicals, processed foods,
sedentary lifestyles, etc. I mean, in many ways, actually the
book is a follow on from the Tucker Carson documentary
that I was in in twenty twenty two, which was
called The End of Men. And I was in that
documentary with RFK Junior, and it was about the crisis

(44:39):
of masculinity, biological roots of it and what people can
do about it as well what men can do to
reclaim their masculinity. So this book is a description, it's
a diagnosis of the problem, I think, a much deeper
diagnosis of the problem of masculinity today. But it also
contains useful advice that men can f in order actually

(45:01):
to improve their testosterone levels, to improve their health, and
to be more masculine.

Speaker 2 (45:09):
The book is the last men go by it. Charles,
thank you, my brother. I appreciate it. Merry Christmas to you.
Like the move next.

Speaker 1 (45:27):
All right, it is time to lighten the mood in
It's Christmas time. It's a wonderful, wonderful time of year.
And I'll tell you something that I at least attempt
to teach my sons that remember, Christmas is about giving things,
not getting things. My son said the other day, it
was last week something like that. It's a dad, I
pay I think I figure out what I want for Christmas?

(45:48):
And I said, have you figured out what you want
to give for Christmas? Christmas is about giving things, give
wonderful things to people. And you're sitting here watching them. Right,
you have an options I feel obligated to give, to
give you a wonderful Christmas present. So from us here
and I'm right in the first, We're Christmas.

Speaker 2 (46:20):
That's wonderful. Let's see them all.

Speaker 4 (46:24):
M hmmmmm
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