March 28, 2025 • 25 mins
Strap in folks, this one's a doozie, 'I'm the last man standing,' Loftis says, 'It's a Trump type thing...they're trying to overturn an election.' - Powered by Disaster Plus
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
It all happened because I'm Oprah Winfrey's love child.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
This is the Kelly Golden Show podcast powered by Disaster Plus.
Speaker 3 (00:11):
On a big failed Friday, Saint Treasure Curtis Loftus. I'm
going to call this your Truth Tour, Curtis's Crusade for
the Truth, because last week spoke you were going to
be retiring, and now you are doubling down on all
the drama coming out of our little DC, the Capitol
in Columbia here in South Carolina, and you're going to
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run for reelection.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Yep, You've got two interesting things. Yes, I was looking
forward to retiring. I was retired once before and I
liked it. But I do love public service and I
hate injustice.
Speaker 4 (00:44):
That's the most motivating factor in my personal life. It
is injustice.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
I cannot stand it. So what I've been through in
the last two years, I'm going to run for election
because there are issues that this needs to be talked
about in campaigns. I can't control the narrative now the
Senate's got all the power, or the Senate controls the narrative.
If the Senate sneezes the Posting Courier writes that article
and they say it was a wonderful and loving sneeze.
So you know, I just can't win those press arguments,
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but I can on the campaign trail. And then the
second thing you mentioned was intioning is d C. And
I don't like this comparison because it sounds grandiose, right,
but it's a Trump type of thing. When you fight
for the people and against the swamp, this is what
you get. And it's not the first time that I've
been chased by Senate finance factor has not been right regularly,
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but I've never seen it done this way before, and
it just really troubled me. Not so much me as
a person, but it's troubled me for the state because
this could be the way forward. What they've done is
they've mastered their immunity. You know, they have senatorial immunity.
When they're on the floor, when they're in the committee,
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when they're in the process of doing their job, they
can pretty much do anything they want, they can say
any thing they want, and you can't do a thing
about them. I've ever seen an occasion where like these
hearings I've been going through. It's the biggest kangaroo court
you've ever seen. Strip me of my rights, and they
stripped me in my constitutional rights, and they say and
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do what they want, they write a report as they want,
and there's nothing you can do about it.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
So two interesting parallels there, State Treasurer Curtis loftis one,
we saw that from a low Country perspective, that point
that you're making about immunity there on the floor of
Congress with Nancy Mayce, Congresswoman Nancy Mayce, yes. And then
the other point is you have been at this. You
even mentioned retiring and coming back for quite some time.
And I remember when you were doge for South Carolina
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before the Department of Government Efficiency ever existed in Elon
back then, was a Democrat, frankly, and certainly wasn't working,
you know, within the government and exposing this waste, frauden abuse.
So to your point, is this what's going on now
with regards to people like low Country Senator Larry Grooms
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and others coming at you. It feels like, I mean,
what's his beef with you? We've got a six hundred
and fifty page report calling you all kinds of things.
You're incompetent, you're deceptive, you've got an angry demeanor. I
have never, once, by the way, working with you through interviews,
ever thought that you had an angry demeanor. But I digress.
What's up with that? Where's the beef?
Speaker 1 (03:25):
And that's funny because you know what the senators call
Larry behind his back, senator pop off.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
The ironing because.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
They know, yeah, oh yeah, I mean.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
But you see, here's the thing when your listeners think about, okay,
it's a hearing or it's a court like type of thing,
because an investigated hearing is a court like operation. I
don't get all of the privileges of court, but I
get many of the privileges they denied me, every one
of them. And see when they when I walk in
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a room, I have to put my hand up and
swear till the truth, the whole tooth, nothing other truth.
They don't swear that oath when I give them a document.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
We gave them a three hundred and fifty pays.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Report, and they may be swear it in right there
on the scene their report. They don't swear that in.
Nobody in the Senate in these investigated hearings at all
is sworn to anything. They have no obligation to present
my side of the story. And if they had just
this is petilla one hundred percent to completely make up
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the whole thing, right, which is about the truth but
not the holy If they just made up the whole
thing and said that it all happened because I'm Oprah
Winfrey's love child, and that me and George CHROs will
lead the seal money from the state, I can't do
anything about it, he said, That's what's happened. And what
worries me is that for a long time this didn't
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happen in South Carolina, but it's happening now, and is
it going to happen to somebody else next year? And
somebody else next year? They got rid of the comptrol
of General because he just wasn't going to put up
with all this. He left a little bit older and
health problems. He wasn't a desirable man or anything. He
had some problems in his office. But you know, there's
difference between having problems and being treated like a dog,
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and they did that to him and he got out.
I understand the appointed auditor left, not as they say
over this issue. He left because he.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
Got tired of the crap, and he got tired.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Of his office.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
Having put up with it.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Now they say he left because at one point eight.
That's a lie. It's not in the paperwork. The paperwork
says I left because I wanted to protect my office.
The former auditor was an honorable man. So you get
these things where they just their language is like their criminals.
If you say it's partly cloudy and they say it's
partly sonny, they say you lied. No, and we had
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given him document at the document they refused to put
it into the record. That it's just a tangar record.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
And this is why I've got to run.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
For office, because I'm going to be able to buy
that ads and put them on TV and radio and
the computers to let people see what's happening. Because the
Trump Revolution, which really is not a Trump revolution, it's
a voter revolution, which was Trump is the opposite. Yeah, yeah,
it happens in South Carolina. But he has completely left
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the State Senate. The State Senate does not believe in
that revolution. In fact, they're reverting back, and I'm going
to keep fighting them that they might get me out
of office. I don't know, but anybody with firsthand knowledge
will tell you their report is BS and they'll tell
you that this Treasure's office is as honest as his
day is long. We have invited the SLID to come
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here and do an investigation here, We've invited the Inspector
General to come here and do an investigation. And as
you know, the Securities and Exchange Commission is already doing
one of the state, not the Treasure's office. Larry Grims
lies and he says, treasures off it has nothing. I've
never talked to him. They've been investigating the state over
the compt Re General's books where he restated cash in
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December twenty three, he had a big restatement of cash.
It didn't anything to do with real cash. It was
the funny money budget cash, because the real cash is
in my office and we have the real cash. But
the point I'm trying to make here is I can't
negotiate with the Senate. I can't make them tell the truth.
And when all this started, everybody in state government's the
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curtis does this, beat you up a little bit and
then they'll leave you alone. And so I took that
into my my thinking and I said, well, this is
this sec investigation going along, which prudent people don't talk
about federal investigations. You know, if the FBI came to
your radio station, y'all would go talking about it. But
brooms and then broke that and put it out there,
so it's everywhere. So I said, wealky'll keep my head
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load and then they'll they'll they'll beat me up something
to go away, but they never quit. And what I'm
afraid of is this is the new tactic. They use
their immunity. And what if they pick out just a
random political acta if this is maybe pro life or
pro gun, they could do the same thing to them.
They can haul them in and talk to them like
they talk to me. These people are supposed to be
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the judges. They gather information and then they make the
decisions to my faith. They'll say you're a liar, you're
treason us. They call me treason. Just think about that
for a while. And that's the craziest stuff. This it's
just an unreal situation. It's the kind of thing you
might see in DC, but more likely you'll see it
in Caracas or Moscow or something. It's a kangaroo court.
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And what I want to do is by running for reelection,
is to get out and talk to people, because we
have got to have that revolution that happened here and
around the country implemented. We can't have a government that
doesn't believe that the truth is all that matters. And
if a Senator or a Senate committee won't put up
their hand and swear that documents are true and their
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statements are true, what good are they. We've got to
make sure that we protect our political class from one
politic class.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
The other speaking a political class, you're all Republicans, And frankly,
people are listening to this, the tit for tat. It
makes people sick. They're annoyed by it. People are turned
off by this, Curtis. They want accountability from their elected
officials you're mentioning here, but to also be the best
stewards of their tax dollars. And it sounds you know
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when I say tip for tat and Republicans in fighting
with each other, and you mentioned Trump, grooms and golf.
Who were they supporting when it came to the primary
in the presidency this go around where there was an
overwhelming win for Trump from we the people who mandated
on a very massive and historic scale to change the
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status quo. I mentioned it earlier. You you've been changing
the status quo when it comes to stewarding what fifty
billion dollar industries is part of your job as a
state treasurer.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
That's right. We invested fifty billion dollars last night. It's invested,
its managers protected, and that's what we did. They want
to stend like I'm comfort of general because he runs
all the rest of the books of the state. The
balances of the Treasure's office are the same today, are
accurate today, just like they were during this whole accounting period.
We always knew how much cash we had, We just
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didn't know how the books were reflected at the control
of the General's office. And quite frankly, we don't care
about that because we're the bank. If you go to
Wells Fargo, they've got a banking side of their branch
of their bank and they've got an accounting side, and
you keep the two separate. You know, you don't want
the treasurer who's got fifty billion dollars to be keeping
the books. That's crazy.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
You need that segregation of duties.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
So in order to make their points, this is what
they do. But it goes back to like what you're
talking about Trump. Neither's Grooms are goal finished where Trump
supporters in the primary. After the primary they were, we
have an appointed Democrat compholver now, so normally I would
pick up the Democrat votes because they are against the
Republican establishment. So I've always had good relationships. But now
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that they have this allyship with the new appointed controller General,
then they're on that side. That's what's made this hard
for me. If it was Republican or the Republican.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
I can manage it.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
But when they appointed a Democrat Comptroller General, then that
cut out half my support. But bring this back to everybody.
This is all about an accounting injury made in twenty
and sixteen. Not one dime has been lost, not one
dime has been misspent, one dime has been stolen. There
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was never a mysterious bank account of one point eight
big in dollars that nobody knew about. Almost all of
that stuff, or especially.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
That last which is made up by Grooms, and it made.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
Headlines around the world, and I've been fighting that headline,
but there was never one there.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
But wait, let's talk about why why in the world
Curtis is he doing this? And I say, follow the money.
It's always about power and money.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
That's right, if they get rid of me. They've got
three appointed people that manage the money of the state,
the comptroller who does the books, the Treasurer who does
the money, and then the order and they've got two
of the three.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
I'm the last man standing. And there is nothing they
won't do. And I can't even.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
Watch their poor shows and read their reports.
Speaker 4 (12:10):
It's so maddening.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
I mean, they have a report that says, Curtis, we
know you knew about this century in twenty sixteen, and
the proof is Exhibit fifty. We go look at the
proof in exhibit fifty. It's absolutely nothing to do with it.
But you see, they don't have to tell the truth.
They refuse to put up their hand and swear. Just
because they have senatorial amenity doesn't mean that Larry Grooms
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can't put his hand up and say that a Larry
Grimes will swear I will tell the truth, the whole truth,
and nothing but the truth. But he won'ts And this
is the problem we've got. We have this illusion that
this committee is something official. It's a bunch of politicians
dumping on another politician, and there's no standard for truth.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
You've got senior senators here and they wield a lot
of power over junior senators and grooms and golfis you're
talking about this committee. I mean, isn't Golfinch's running for
attorney general, so there's something there for him to be
getting free headlines.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
Let me tell you if Steven Goldfish became attorney general, nobody,
no business, no entity, nobody is safe in this state.
I have watched him for a year now. He's a
bully with a law degree, and I just conservatives are
anybody who believes in freedom, you better watch that guy
because he will take it. He's the kind of bully
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that likes you to know he's a bully. I know
these guys. They're never going to stop on me. I
know when I run, and they're going to keep going.
But if I can bring him out into the public enough,
then it'll be all right, because a puppet won't put
up with it. But right now, they've gotten.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
Up a hand because they can do what they.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Want, and they can do it without putting their hand
up and having to swear. They can say anything they want.
Every word of that report could be sworn to, but
they decided not to be sworn to. If anybody can
call their state senator and say, hey, we want treasure
Offtice left alone, we'd appreciate that. I'd appreciate that. We
need this matters to be over. We want our money
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to be protected. We want truth and stability, and we've
I've been If you ever watching those hearings, I was
always saying, we need to have stability, we need to
wash our credit ratings, we need to be able to
borrow money when we want to. They have no interest.
Their interest is to get my job. That they're ended.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
When they got my job.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
They've got control the money.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
Controlling the money, follow the money. It's always about power.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
The simplest thing is leave the treasure alone.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
Well, but let's talk about why why do you need
to be left alone? One, the one point eight billion
was never mysterious or missing money in the first place. Too,
it sounds like you're saying that they're attempting to put
the Comptroller General's bad books on your back. Yes, the
hold you responsible for that. And I think that you
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know exposing the notion that these senior senators. One you
got a guy who read it for Attorney general. And
then when it comes to following the money. How long
has Larry Groom's been he's a senior Senator in the
low Country twenty seven years? Yes, where is what committees are?
Is he going to be chairing here soon? Is it
going to be financed?
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Maybe? Yes, Yes, he'll be the next Senate because senatorial
seniority is your original DEI program. All you have to
do is have a seat and you get power. And
if you got a seat and you stay there thirty years,
you have real power. You might be smart, but you
might be an idiot because all you have to do
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is keep that seat. And that's the way it works.
So if you're a junior senator, you've got to stay.
I like Curtis, but do I want to ruin my
career over this? Because they can ruin your career and
they will. That's how it works. You never see them
worried about what's going on with the people in Estate.
It's what's happening in the Senate. You know, they have
all these fancy rules about the coorum. They call each
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other the honorable Senator from so and said. They have
all that that show Jeffersonian rules that they operate under.
Those rules of decorum are about senator to senator interaction.
It's not about senator to taxpayer. It's not about senator
to anybody other than themselves. They can't question each other's motives.
They have to be sweep each other that kind of thing.
But they can treat you like you're just dirt. And
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they have treated me that way for a year. You
just can't imagine what they've done to me and my staff.
And they openly disparage staff, non political people, good people,
CPA's and bankers and accounts and stuff, and lawyers just
disparage them. So I wouldn't get too complex. If somebody
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believes Curtis's office, call your senator and say we want
Curtis left alone. We want our money managed by the
guy we elected. Because they want to overturn an election
by running me off, that's what they do. I don't
care what they say. I'm going to stay, but they
want overturn the elections by making me leave.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
A couple of things they need to hear State Treasurer
loft us. Somebody who's doing a guilty of something doesn't
invite the state Law Enforcement Division in or the inspector
general or even the sec who's over here investigating the state.
But you're saying, hey, my doors are open here as
the Treasurer's office too. Someone who's guilty as something doesn't
do that in my opinion. But could that end this
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tip for TAD I don't know.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
I hope so. In fact, I texted my lawyer this
morning's in DC. The SEC. Lawyer said, I want to
see the SEC soon because I want to. They may
never want to see me because I don't have any
part in what they're investigating, but I got a story
to tell. I want to tell the truth because until
the truth is told, and until people who are impartial,
not politicians, until real people who are impartial for professionals,
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until they make a ruling, We're never going to be
finished with this. We're always going to have politicians who
don't have to tell the truth, who will convince people
of troubles. And as God is my witness, all I
want to do is the truth to come out these
people of the I'm gonna go probably visit SLED tomorrow.
I'm gonna go go see the chief and say, will
you come and investigate my office? I need help. I
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need people who are good and honorable and professional and
have standards to come and show everybody how honest my
office is. I don't have a fear in the world
about what anybody will find, not a damn one. But
if we keep letting the State Senate to attack our
financial system, we will have a downgraded credit And we
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already can't borrow money like we want to. We can't
issue debt normally. I have to go to the bank
and borrow money as opposed to go barring a municipal
financial way. It's because of what they've done. It'll only
get worse and it costs the taxpayers. And that's the problem.
And the only person between the taxpayers and them is me.
And I hate to say that kind of thing, but
it sounds like Trump, but it is the truth. The
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governor has so strong and I appreciate that, and the
House is so strong. Two those great, but there's no
nobody in the stand that nobody else will stand up
because they're afraid. And it's about the public. I got
another life. I could go, i could retire, I could
do whatever I want to do. But I'm not gonna
let people who don't deserve to run the money of
the state to run the money, putting yourself next to
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fifty billion dollars is the greatest coup you can have
for special interest. They'll have black Rock in here in
six months, managing money, making huge fees, and turn all
that money into the wolf establishment. I'm not gonna let
it happen.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
I think. Also, not only just knocking on the door
of sledd and opening your own there in the State
Treasurer's office to say let the sunshine in, I'm here
for it. The fact that a fifteen minute hearing, you
sat for six hours on record, where as you said,
they are not held to the same account, and you
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answered the questions. But they've kind of turned that on
you too. I noticed it was, oh wait, we got
him on videotape and he's out here saying one thing
in THEO the other.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Oh yeah, they held up false documents. They asked the
same questions ten different ways. He can answer it ten
different ways. Everybody's seen this on TV. Everybody' seen twelve
year old argument. This is what this is. But they
have the power of the Senate, and the people like
the folks incur would printed. And so what I've got
to do is get back out there, spend my own money,
and show the people to state what's really happened here.
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We deserve better. And I probably should have mentioned earlier
that the government has been good on this, and the
House of Representative has been good on this. But other
than that, the rush of state government is hidden their
heads because they all get their budgets from the Senate. Again,
I've got to get somebody in here. You know what.
I knew this six months ago, and I spoke to
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the Attorney General about it and said, noh, y'all not
do it. But I knew I should have done it then,
and you know all, let myself be talked out of
but I'm going to do it. And we sent the
report to the Inspector General yesterday, my report to Inspector
General and to the Attorney General and the sled yesterday
and then I'm going to go visit them see who
I can get to come here, because we cannot have
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a bunch of politicians who refuse to swear to their
work put out statements that elected statewide elected officials and
their office and the financial system. We have got to
protect the state and Democrats and Republicans ought to be
united on this, and I'm going to move forward whether
it's just me or whether I got the whole state
behind me, it doesn't matter. I'm moving forward because that's
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my job. I swore an oath on the steps of
the state House, and every time I went into those meetings,
I had to swear an oath. Even though they wouldn't,
I had to swear an oath. And I can be
hell responsible for my actions. And I'm going to make
sure that whether it's slid or who I don't care
who is, somebody's got to come in here and say
this is an honor shop and we certify that.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
On the flip side of that, if they actually come
up with something, then will you continue to run for reelection?
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Yeah? If it's something meaningful, No, I wouldn't. I mean
something that's happened about I don't know about and it's meaningful. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (21:57):
I mean, look, I try to be an honor I think.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Ninety percent of the people in your audience right now
the same thing. If something meaningful came up, I get out.
All of this is about the outcome of a computer
entry eight years ago that I never knew a thing about,
that didn't cost anybody any money. We've looked the country
over intact the world because Internet searches the world. There
are no corollaries. There's never been a time in a
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state's history that a state ripped itself the shreds over
an accounting entry that didn't cost anybody a penny. You said,
but this is what they've done. They turned it into
something so they can take control of the treasure's office.
They want that fifty billion dollars so bad they can
smell it. It's as fifty billion with a beed Treasurer.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
Loftus, the Comptroller General, who again was appointed as a Democrat.
And if they're successful in pushing you out of this,
you really think that the next state treasurer that's not
Curtis Loftus is going to be a Republican.
Speaker 4 (22:53):
Hmmm.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
It might be one in name only, but nobody's gonna
know who they are. That's to think about it like
you might, because you're your job. But not percent of
people never heard of the com from of General.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
They keep finding him is he does them?
Speaker 1 (23:05):
They don't know he works.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
Hand in glove with the Senate every day against.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Me, every day that his office works. We asked them
for documents and they say, oh, we can't give them
to you because we send them to the Senate. They
used the sentence legislative community. We can't get information. We
need to run our office because he's working with the Senate.
We got to do better the system. It can fall
and we've got to move on. We've got to get
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people knowing about this and talking about it. I blame myself.
Speaker 4 (23:32):
I should not have listened.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
To the experts who told me to be quiet.
Speaker 4 (23:35):
I should have got it on the out of.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
The streets last summer and started talking about this. And
if I'd have done that, maybe we wouldn't be here now.
But I fear for the safety of the money of
the state because the state system has been understrained for
a y almost two years. E gives me the comptrol,
the General's office, the computer system that runs the whole thing,
the E system that's run by his Apartment of Administration,
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the Treasurer's office. We've all been working Saturdays and Sundays, holidays,
working after hours. This system is being stressed because a
few politicians won't control of this fifty billion dollars. And
if they had it, you'd be surprised the benefits come
from it. Yeah, I've never wanted to think for this office.
I got my own money, don't need anybody else's. But
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if I wanted to live, how if the hog you
can do it? You can get Bard appointments. People come
take these jobs and end up with Bord appointments. They
had two or three hundred thousand dollars a year for
a board and might have three full boards lined up
where they leave the office. I ain't doing any of that.
I don't want to damn down from anybody, but let
me tell you that's sended is full of people who
didn't and Larry Grimes is right there at the head
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of it.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
State Treasurer's Truth Tour Here on a Big Veil Friday
edition of The Keilly Golden Show. So curtis the crusade
for the truth tour. You're running for re election, so
we'll see how this goes, including if SLED picks up
your request the Inspector General as well for an investigation
to be continued.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
Thank you. Next time, i'ming Charles Saw come see you.
I'm looking for large groups to come speak to because
we've gotta kill the sword.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
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On a big failed Friday, Saint Treasure Curtis Loftus. I'm
going to call this your Truth Tour, Curtis's Crusade for
the Truth, because last week spoke you were going to
be retiring, and now you are doubling down on all
the drama coming out of our little DC, the Capitol
in Columbia here in South Carolina, and you're going to
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run for reelection.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Yep, You've got two interesting things. Yes, I was looking
forward to retiring. I was retired once before and I
liked it. But I do love public service and I
hate injustice.
Speaker 4 (00:44):
That's the most motivating factor in my personal life. It
is injustice.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
I cannot stand it. So what I've been through in
the last two years, I'm going to run for election
because there are issues that this needs to be talked
about in campaigns. I can't control the narrative now the
Senate's got all the power, or the Senate controls the narrative.
If the Senate sneezes the Posting Courier writes that article
and they say it was a wonderful and loving sneeze.
So you know, I just can't win those press arguments,
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but I can on the campaign trail. And then the
second thing you mentioned was intioning is d C. And
I don't like this comparison because it sounds grandiose, right,
but it's a Trump type of thing. When you fight
for the people and against the swamp, this is what
you get. And it's not the first time that I've
been chased by Senate finance factor has not been right regularly,
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but I've never seen it done this way before, and
it just really troubled me. Not so much me as
a person, but it's troubled me for the state because
this could be the way forward. What they've done is
they've mastered their immunity. You know, they have senatorial immunity.
When they're on the floor, when they're in the committee,
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when they're in the process of doing their job, they
can pretty much do anything they want, they can say
any thing they want, and you can't do a thing
about them. I've ever seen an occasion where like these
hearings I've been going through. It's the biggest kangaroo court
you've ever seen. Strip me of my rights, and they
stripped me in my constitutional rights, and they say and
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do what they want, they write a report as they want,
and there's nothing you can do about it.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
So two interesting parallels there, State Treasurer Curtis loftis one,
we saw that from a low Country perspective, that point
that you're making about immunity there on the floor of
Congress with Nancy Mayce, Congresswoman Nancy Mayce, yes. And then
the other point is you have been at this. You
even mentioned retiring and coming back for quite some time.
And I remember when you were doge for South Carolina
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before the Department of Government Efficiency ever existed in Elon
back then, was a Democrat, frankly, and certainly wasn't working,
you know, within the government and exposing this waste, frauden abuse.
So to your point, is this what's going on now
with regards to people like low Country Senator Larry Grooms
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and others coming at you. It feels like, I mean,
what's his beef with you? We've got a six hundred
and fifty page report calling you all kinds of things.
You're incompetent, you're deceptive, you've got an angry demeanor. I
have never, once, by the way, working with you through interviews,
ever thought that you had an angry demeanor. But I digress.
What's up with that? Where's the beef?
Speaker 1 (03:25):
And that's funny because you know what the senators call
Larry behind his back, senator pop off.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
The ironing because.
Speaker 4 (03:33):
They know, yeah, oh yeah, I mean.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
But you see, here's the thing when your listeners think about, okay,
it's a hearing or it's a court like type of thing,
because an investigated hearing is a court like operation. I
don't get all of the privileges of court, but I
get many of the privileges they denied me, every one
of them. And see when they when I walk in
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a room, I have to put my hand up and
swear till the truth, the whole tooth, nothing other truth.
They don't swear that oath when I give them a document.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
We gave them a three hundred and fifty pays.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
Report, and they may be swear it in right there
on the scene their report. They don't swear that in.
Nobody in the Senate in these investigated hearings at all
is sworn to anything. They have no obligation to present
my side of the story. And if they had just
this is petilla one hundred percent to completely make up
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the whole thing, right, which is about the truth but
not the holy If they just made up the whole
thing and said that it all happened because I'm Oprah
Winfrey's love child, and that me and George CHROs will
lead the seal money from the state, I can't do
anything about it, he said, That's what's happened. And what
worries me is that for a long time this didn't
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happen in South Carolina, but it's happening now, and is
it going to happen to somebody else next year? And
somebody else next year? They got rid of the comptrol
of General because he just wasn't going to put up
with all this. He left a little bit older and
health problems. He wasn't a desirable man or anything. He
had some problems in his office. But you know, there's
difference between having problems and being treated like a dog,
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and they did that to him and he got out.
I understand the appointed auditor left, not as they say
over this issue. He left because he.
Speaker 4 (05:19):
Got tired of the crap, and he got tired.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Of his office.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
Having put up with it.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Now they say he left because at one point eight.
That's a lie. It's not in the paperwork. The paperwork
says I left because I wanted to protect my office.
The former auditor was an honorable man. So you get
these things where they just their language is like their criminals.
If you say it's partly cloudy and they say it's
partly sonny, they say you lied. No, and we had
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given him document at the document they refused to put
it into the record. That it's just a tangar record.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
And this is why I've got to run.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
For office, because I'm going to be able to buy
that ads and put them on TV and radio and
the computers to let people see what's happening. Because the
Trump Revolution, which really is not a Trump revolution, it's
a voter revolution, which was Trump is the opposite. Yeah, yeah,
it happens in South Carolina. But he has completely left
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the State Senate. The State Senate does not believe in
that revolution. In fact, they're reverting back, and I'm going
to keep fighting them that they might get me out
of office. I don't know, but anybody with firsthand knowledge
will tell you their report is BS and they'll tell
you that this Treasure's office is as honest as his
day is long. We have invited the SLID to come
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here and do an investigation here, We've invited the Inspector
General to come here and do an investigation. And as
you know, the Securities and Exchange Commission is already doing
one of the state, not the Treasure's office. Larry Grims
lies and he says, treasures off it has nothing. I've
never talked to him. They've been investigating the state over
the compt Re General's books where he restated cash in
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December twenty three, he had a big restatement of cash.
It didn't anything to do with real cash. It was
the funny money budget cash, because the real cash is
in my office and we have the real cash. But
the point I'm trying to make here is I can't
negotiate with the Senate. I can't make them tell the truth.
And when all this started, everybody in state government's the
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curtis does this, beat you up a little bit and
then they'll leave you alone. And so I took that
into my my thinking and I said, well, this is
this sec investigation going along, which prudent people don't talk
about federal investigations. You know, if the FBI came to
your radio station, y'all would go talking about it. But
brooms and then broke that and put it out there,
so it's everywhere. So I said, wealky'll keep my head
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load and then they'll they'll they'll beat me up something
to go away, but they never quit. And what I'm
afraid of is this is the new tactic. They use
their immunity. And what if they pick out just a
random political acta if this is maybe pro life or
pro gun, they could do the same thing to them.
They can haul them in and talk to them like
they talk to me. These people are supposed to be
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the judges. They gather information and then they make the
decisions to my faith. They'll say you're a liar, you're
treason us. They call me treason. Just think about that
for a while. And that's the craziest stuff. This it's
just an unreal situation. It's the kind of thing you
might see in DC, but more likely you'll see it
in Caracas or Moscow or something. It's a kangaroo court.
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And what I want to do is by running for reelection,
is to get out and talk to people, because we
have got to have that revolution that happened here and
around the country implemented. We can't have a government that
doesn't believe that the truth is all that matters. And
if a Senator or a Senate committee won't put up
their hand and swear that documents are true and their
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statements are true, what good are they. We've got to
make sure that we protect our political class from one
politic class.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
The other speaking a political class, you're all Republicans, And frankly,
people are listening to this, the tit for tat. It
makes people sick. They're annoyed by it. People are turned
off by this, Curtis. They want accountability from their elected
officials you're mentioning here, but to also be the best
stewards of their tax dollars. And it sounds you know
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when I say tip for tat and Republicans in fighting
with each other, and you mentioned Trump, grooms and golf.
Who were they supporting when it came to the primary
in the presidency this go around where there was an
overwhelming win for Trump from we the people who mandated
on a very massive and historic scale to change the
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status quo. I mentioned it earlier. You you've been changing
the status quo when it comes to stewarding what fifty
billion dollar industries is part of your job as a
state treasurer.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
That's right. We invested fifty billion dollars last night. It's invested,
its managers protected, and that's what we did. They want
to stend like I'm comfort of general because he runs
all the rest of the books of the state. The
balances of the Treasure's office are the same today, are
accurate today, just like they were during this whole accounting period.
We always knew how much cash we had, We just
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didn't know how the books were reflected at the control
of the General's office. And quite frankly, we don't care
about that because we're the bank. If you go to
Wells Fargo, they've got a banking side of their branch
of their bank and they've got an accounting side, and
you keep the two separate. You know, you don't want
the treasurer who's got fifty billion dollars to be keeping
the books. That's crazy.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
You need that segregation of duties.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
So in order to make their points, this is what
they do. But it goes back to like what you're
talking about Trump. Neither's Grooms are goal finished where Trump
supporters in the primary. After the primary they were, we
have an appointed Democrat compholver now, so normally I would
pick up the Democrat votes because they are against the
Republican establishment. So I've always had good relationships. But now
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that they have this allyship with the new appointed controller General,
then they're on that side. That's what's made this hard
for me. If it was Republican or the Republican.
Speaker 4 (11:05):
I can manage it.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
But when they appointed a Democrat Comptroller General, then that
cut out half my support. But bring this back to everybody.
This is all about an accounting injury made in twenty
and sixteen. Not one dime has been lost, not one
dime has been misspent, one dime has been stolen. There
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was never a mysterious bank account of one point eight
big in dollars that nobody knew about. Almost all of
that stuff, or especially.
Speaker 4 (11:34):
That last which is made up by Grooms, and it made.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
Headlines around the world, and I've been fighting that headline,
but there was never one there.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
But wait, let's talk about why why in the world
Curtis is he doing this? And I say, follow the money.
It's always about power and money.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
That's right, if they get rid of me. They've got
three appointed people that manage the money of the state,
the comptroller who does the books, the Treasurer who does
the money, and then the order and they've got two
of the three.
Speaker 4 (12:03):
I'm the last man standing. And there is nothing they
won't do. And I can't even.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
Watch their poor shows and read their reports.
Speaker 4 (12:10):
It's so maddening.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
I mean, they have a report that says, Curtis, we
know you knew about this century in twenty sixteen, and
the proof is Exhibit fifty. We go look at the
proof in exhibit fifty. It's absolutely nothing to do with it.
But you see, they don't have to tell the truth.
They refuse to put up their hand and swear. Just
because they have senatorial amenity doesn't mean that Larry Grooms
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can't put his hand up and say that a Larry
Grimes will swear I will tell the truth, the whole truth,
and nothing but the truth. But he won'ts And this
is the problem we've got. We have this illusion that
this committee is something official. It's a bunch of politicians
dumping on another politician, and there's no standard for truth.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
You've got senior senators here and they wield a lot
of power over junior senators and grooms and golfis you're
talking about this committee. I mean, isn't Golfinch's running for
attorney general, so there's something there for him to be
getting free headlines.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
Let me tell you if Steven Goldfish became attorney general, nobody,
no business, no entity, nobody is safe in this state.
I have watched him for a year now. He's a
bully with a law degree, and I just conservatives are
anybody who believes in freedom, you better watch that guy
because he will take it. He's the kind of bully
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that likes you to know he's a bully. I know
these guys. They're never going to stop on me. I
know when I run, and they're going to keep going.
But if I can bring him out into the public enough,
then it'll be all right, because a puppet won't put
up with it. But right now, they've gotten.
Speaker 4 (13:47):
Up a hand because they can do what they.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Want, and they can do it without putting their hand
up and having to swear. They can say anything they want.
Every word of that report could be sworn to, but
they decided not to be sworn to. If anybody can
call their state senator and say, hey, we want treasure
Offtice left alone, we'd appreciate that. I'd appreciate that. We
need this matters to be over. We want our money
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to be protected. We want truth and stability, and we've
I've been If you ever watching those hearings, I was
always saying, we need to have stability, we need to
wash our credit ratings, we need to be able to
borrow money when we want to. They have no interest.
Their interest is to get my job. That they're ended.
Speaker 4 (14:27):
When they got my job.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
They've got control the money.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
Controlling the money, follow the money. It's always about power.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
The simplest thing is leave the treasure alone.
Speaker 3 (14:35):
Well, but let's talk about why why do you need
to be left alone? One, the one point eight billion
was never mysterious or missing money in the first place. Too,
it sounds like you're saying that they're attempting to put
the Comptroller General's bad books on your back. Yes, the
hold you responsible for that. And I think that you
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know exposing the notion that these senior senators. One you
got a guy who read it for Attorney general. And
then when it comes to following the money. How long
has Larry Groom's been he's a senior Senator in the
low Country twenty seven years? Yes, where is what committees are?
Is he going to be chairing here soon? Is it
going to be financed?
Speaker 1 (15:15):
Maybe? Yes, Yes, he'll be the next Senate because senatorial
seniority is your original DEI program. All you have to
do is have a seat and you get power. And
if you got a seat and you stay there thirty years,
you have real power. You might be smart, but you
might be an idiot because all you have to do
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is keep that seat. And that's the way it works.
So if you're a junior senator, you've got to stay.
I like Curtis, but do I want to ruin my
career over this? Because they can ruin your career and
they will. That's how it works. You never see them
worried about what's going on with the people in Estate.
It's what's happening in the Senate. You know, they have
all these fancy rules about the coorum. They call each
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other the honorable Senator from so and said. They have
all that that show Jeffersonian rules that they operate under.
Those rules of decorum are about senator to senator interaction.
It's not about senator to taxpayer. It's not about senator
to anybody other than themselves. They can't question each other's motives.
They have to be sweep each other that kind of thing.
But they can treat you like you're just dirt. And
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they have treated me that way for a year. You
just can't imagine what they've done to me and my staff.
And they openly disparage staff, non political people, good people,
CPA's and bankers and accounts and stuff, and lawyers just
disparage them. So I wouldn't get too complex. If somebody
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believes Curtis's office, call your senator and say we want
Curtis left alone. We want our money managed by the
guy we elected. Because they want to overturn an election
by running me off, that's what they do. I don't
care what they say. I'm going to stay, but they
want overturn the elections by making me leave.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
A couple of things they need to hear State Treasurer
loft us. Somebody who's doing a guilty of something doesn't
invite the state Law Enforcement Division in or the inspector
general or even the sec who's over here investigating the state.
But you're saying, hey, my doors are open here as
the Treasurer's office too. Someone who's guilty as something doesn't
do that in my opinion. But could that end this
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tip for TAD I don't know.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
I hope so. In fact, I texted my lawyer this
morning's in DC. The SEC. Lawyer said, I want to
see the SEC soon because I want to. They may
never want to see me because I don't have any
part in what they're investigating, but I got a story
to tell. I want to tell the truth because until
the truth is told, and until people who are impartial,
not politicians, until real people who are impartial for professionals,
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until they make a ruling, We're never going to be
finished with this. We're always going to have politicians who
don't have to tell the truth, who will convince people
of troubles. And as God is my witness, all I
want to do is the truth to come out these
people of the I'm gonna go probably visit SLED tomorrow.
I'm gonna go go see the chief and say, will
you come and investigate my office? I need help. I
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need people who are good and honorable and professional and
have standards to come and show everybody how honest my
office is. I don't have a fear in the world
about what anybody will find, not a damn one. But
if we keep letting the State Senate to attack our
financial system, we will have a downgraded credit And we
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already can't borrow money like we want to. We can't
issue debt normally. I have to go to the bank
and borrow money as opposed to go barring a municipal
financial way. It's because of what they've done. It'll only
get worse and it costs the taxpayers. And that's the problem.
And the only person between the taxpayers and them is me.
And I hate to say that kind of thing, but
it sounds like Trump, but it is the truth. The
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governor has so strong and I appreciate that, and the
House is so strong. Two those great, but there's no
nobody in the stand that nobody else will stand up
because they're afraid. And it's about the public. I got
another life. I could go, i could retire, I could
do whatever I want to do. But I'm not gonna
let people who don't deserve to run the money of
the state to run the money, putting yourself next to
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fifty billion dollars is the greatest coup you can have
for special interest. They'll have black Rock in here in
six months, managing money, making huge fees, and turn all
that money into the wolf establishment. I'm not gonna let
it happen.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
I think. Also, not only just knocking on the door
of sledd and opening your own there in the State
Treasurer's office to say let the sunshine in, I'm here
for it. The fact that a fifteen minute hearing, you
sat for six hours on record, where as you said,
they are not held to the same account, and you
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answered the questions. But they've kind of turned that on
you too. I noticed it was, oh wait, we got
him on videotape and he's out here saying one thing
in THEO the other.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
Oh yeah, they held up false documents. They asked the
same questions ten different ways. He can answer it ten
different ways. Everybody's seen this on TV. Everybody' seen twelve
year old argument. This is what this is. But they
have the power of the Senate, and the people like
the folks incur would printed. And so what I've got
to do is get back out there, spend my own money,
and show the people to state what's really happened here.
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We deserve better. And I probably should have mentioned earlier
that the government has been good on this, and the
House of Representative has been good on this. But other
than that, the rush of state government is hidden their
heads because they all get their budgets from the Senate. Again,
I've got to get somebody in here. You know what.
I knew this six months ago, and I spoke to
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the Attorney General about it and said, noh, y'all not
do it. But I knew I should have done it then,
and you know all, let myself be talked out of
but I'm going to do it. And we sent the
report to the Inspector General yesterday, my report to Inspector
General and to the Attorney General and the sled yesterday
and then I'm going to go visit them see who
I can get to come here, because we cannot have
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a bunch of politicians who refuse to swear to their
work put out statements that elected statewide elected officials and
their office and the financial system. We have got to
protect the state and Democrats and Republicans ought to be
united on this, and I'm going to move forward whether
it's just me or whether I got the whole state
behind me, it doesn't matter. I'm moving forward because that's
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my job. I swore an oath on the steps of
the state House, and every time I went into those meetings,
I had to swear an oath. Even though they wouldn't,
I had to swear an oath. And I can be
hell responsible for my actions. And I'm going to make
sure that whether it's slid or who I don't care
who is, somebody's got to come in here and say
this is an honor shop and we certify that.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
On the flip side of that, if they actually come
up with something, then will you continue to run for reelection?
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Yeah? If it's something meaningful, No, I wouldn't. I mean
something that's happened about I don't know about and it's meaningful. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (21:57):
I mean, look, I try to be an honor I think.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Ninety percent of the people in your audience right now
the same thing. If something meaningful came up, I get out.
All of this is about the outcome of a computer
entry eight years ago that I never knew a thing about,
that didn't cost anybody any money. We've looked the country
over intact the world because Internet searches the world. There
are no corollaries. There's never been a time in a
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state's history that a state ripped itself the shreds over
an accounting entry that didn't cost anybody a penny. You said,
but this is what they've done. They turned it into
something so they can take control of the treasure's office.
They want that fifty billion dollars so bad they can
smell it. It's as fifty billion with a beed Treasurer.
Speaker 3 (22:41):
Loftus, the Comptroller General, who again was appointed as a Democrat.
And if they're successful in pushing you out of this,
you really think that the next state treasurer that's not
Curtis Loftus is going to be a Republican.
Speaker 4 (22:53):
Hmmm.
Speaker 1 (22:54):
It might be one in name only, but nobody's gonna
know who they are. That's to think about it like
you might, because you're your job. But not percent of
people never heard of the com from of General.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
They keep finding him is he does them?
Speaker 1 (23:05):
They don't know he works.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
Hand in glove with the Senate every day against.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Me, every day that his office works. We asked them
for documents and they say, oh, we can't give them
to you because we send them to the Senate. They
used the sentence legislative community. We can't get information. We
need to run our office because he's working with the Senate.
We got to do better the system. It can fall
and we've got to move on. We've got to get
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people knowing about this and talking about it. I blame myself.
Speaker 4 (23:32):
I should not have listened.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
To the experts who told me to be quiet.
Speaker 4 (23:35):
I should have got it on the out of.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
The streets last summer and started talking about this. And
if I'd have done that, maybe we wouldn't be here now.
But I fear for the safety of the money of
the state because the state system has been understrained for
a y almost two years. E gives me the comptrol,
the General's office, the computer system that runs the whole thing,
the E system that's run by his Apartment of Administration,
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the Treasurer's office. We've all been working Saturdays and Sundays, holidays,
working after hours. This system is being stressed because a
few politicians won't control of this fifty billion dollars. And
if they had it, you'd be surprised the benefits come
from it. Yeah, I've never wanted to think for this office.
I got my own money, don't need anybody else's. But
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if I wanted to live, how if the hog you
can do it? You can get Bard appointments. People come
take these jobs and end up with Bord appointments. They
had two or three hundred thousand dollars a year for
a board and might have three full boards lined up
where they leave the office. I ain't doing any of that.
I don't want to damn down from anybody, but let
me tell you that's sended is full of people who
didn't and Larry Grimes is right there at the head
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of it.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
State Treasurer's Truth Tour Here on a Big Veil Friday
edition of The Keilly Golden Show. So curtis the crusade
for the truth tour. You're running for re election, so
we'll see how this goes, including if SLED picks up
your request the Inspector General as well for an investigation
to be continued.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
Thank you. Next time, i'ming Charles Saw come see you.
I'm looking for large groups to come speak to because
we've gotta kill the sword.
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