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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey there, it's Michael Blaze.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Welcome to Your Home three sixty, the show where we
talk about everything that has to do with your home.
When I say everything, I mean everything everything from landscaping
to maintenance, plumbing, roofing, appliances, flooring, lawn care, products that
you put in your home. So we cover the whole
gamut of home ownership and it's a lot to keep
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up with sometimes. That's why we have our show You're
Home three sixty to help give you some advice on
how to take care of your home. I'm also a
South Carolina licensed realtor, so we talk a lot about
real estate on the show too, So if you have
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feel free to reach out to me.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
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Speaker 2 (00:45):
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the show to ask your question, or if you specialize
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in another area that you don't have any questions about that.
You're already an expert on I'm happy to have you
as a guest on the show. Today's guest is an
expert in the lawn care business. He's the lawn Doctor.
Today's special guest is Shelton Culpepper of the Lawn Doctor.
He's owner of Lawn Doctor. Welcome to the show today, Shelton.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Thank you very much.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Michael, absolutely so. I have a bunch of questions for you,
and I'm sure everybody else does too, And especially at
this time of year. We're getting ready to roll into spring,
and you know, lawn care is at the top of
everybody's list. If not yet, it will be soon. And
we had a rough winter. You know, that snow is unbelievable.
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We don't see that very often where it sticks around
and stays on the ground. So did that snow do
any damage to people's lawns?
Speaker 4 (01:56):
It certainly can. I think it's a little early to
know for sure. Right now you could be seeing some signs.
But around April first, as things start to green up
and people start mowing, you what could or likely would
have areas that don't green up, and those areas could
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be affected by the winter kill or winter damage from
the freeze that we had in January, and sometimes those
areas will turn gray in color. There's a mold that
grows on the grass if it dies on the blades,
so instead of that tan kind of yellowish normal dormant look,
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it may look more gray.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
And then the other.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
Symptom will be that the turf will pull up fairly
easy because if it is winter kill, then you'll be
able to pull it up. It will have affected the
roots as well. That area is not going to grow back,
so the roots will come up. So when you pull
in an area, if you were to go up with
your hands and grab an area of just dormant grass,
it would still have roots attached, and it may be
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you know, dormant color, but it would be attached to
the soil with the roots. But the winter killed area
would want to just pull up pretty easily, and that's
when you know that it could have affected your lawn.
If you see those areas. The most common areas for
winterkill on a lawn would be the north facing slopes.
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Those are going to be the worst affected. So if
it's pretty flat here, but there are some slopes and
it doesn't take much. But if there's a north facing
slope that's going to be the most affected by the
winter or the snow event. It can happen on any
side or any facing direction, but north is usually the worst.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Now, is that damage coming from simply just freezing?
Speaker 3 (03:50):
Yeah, So.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
Turf grass, it takes about ten days of cool weather
for grass to stop growing and start going into dormancy,
but it only takes about three days of warm weather
for the grass to start coming out of dormancy and
start to actually move fluids around in the body of
the plant and to start actively growing. It may not
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grow vertical where you got to mow it, but the
processes and the plant start happening within those first three days.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
So here we have cool weather.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
But even in our winter and say November, December, January
and February, you can still have you know, seventy five
eighty degrees.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
So if we had warm weather.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
And the grass has started moving those nutrients and fluids,
and then we had snow or ice or a cold spell,
it doesn't have to be snow or ice, it could
just be a hard frost or freeze. Typically below thirty
that's when that winter damage will happen.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
I see, And that kind of touches on my next question. So,
in the wintertime, even though your grass is dormant, does
it require anything, Does it require any amount of water?
I mean can it? Can it be if we're in say,
you know, normally it rains a lot in the winter
around here, but say we go through a dry period
in the winter in your grass is dormant. Can that
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affect your grass? Can that kill it?
Speaker 3 (05:12):
Yeah? So the.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
Term for that is desiccation. That's grass drying up. But yes,
even though grass is not green and not growing in
our area, you should still water it. So even November, December, January,
and February, and especially in March when grass is trying
to come out of dormancy and start growing again, it
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does need to be watered on somewhat at a regular
basis once a week, no more than twice a week.
So sandy soil, John's Island, James Sullivan's Ala, Palm's Folly,
anywhere that's sandy, especially on the beaches or the beach communities.
Those areas would need more water because the sand doesn't
hold water, straining out, leaching out the bottom, but alter
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feving up, you know, Goose Creek months corner Somerville inland
More is.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Going to need to be watered.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
I would like to say that I think February is
the wettest month on average. We get the most rain
in February, and I think August is a second. They're
first and second. I think February is first, but we
do sometimes occasionally have dry spells of a week or two,
maybe even three weeks, and that's the timeframe when you
want to water it. Especially, and let's just say March
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one to April fifteenth, when the grass is actively trying
to come out of dormancy and start growing.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
So just make sure it doesn't completely dry out. Now,
the same does not go for fertilizer and other chemicals
when it's dorming, right.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
Yeah, So from a fertility standpoint, you don't want to
make the grass green and to make it grow. If
it's a cool season grass centipede, Saint Augustine's oyser or bermuda,
they are wanting to naturally go dormant and say the
you know, early November, and then stay dormant during the
winter and then come out of dormancy around April first.
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So you don't want to fertilize them to make them
green or to make them grow. Having said that, there
are some fertilizers that you can put down that fertilizes
just the roots and that'll make it more winter hardy,
cold tolerant, increase the root depth and set that grass
up for success come spring.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Now, those are those winterizer I think they call them fertilizers, right, Yeah,
but you can't put that down in the Can you
put that down when it's dom after it's dormant.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
Yeah, So you would want to look for a formula
such as zero zero twenty or something along those lines,
zero zero ten, something like that. In other words, the
first two digits on the bag, well, the first digit
on the bag represents nitrogen. That's what makes grass green
and makes it grow. The last digit represents potassium, and
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that makes the roots grow and makes it more winter hardy.
So something with high potassium and low nitrogen, like a
five to ten twenty or something like that, or a
zero zero twenty would be what you want to put
down in the winter.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Now, what about weed killer? Can you use what you
would normally use on your summer lawn to kill the weeds?
The chemicals to kill the weeds? Can you use that
is there any danger to your dormant grass trying to
kill the winter weeds.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
So yes, you can control winter weeds. We don't use
the same chemistries in the winter that we use in
the summer. The summer with the heat kind of changes
our game and we have to use different active ingredients
when it's hot, so let's say after May through September.
But when it is cool, we want to target winter annuals.
Those are the weeds that are green during the winter.
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When your lawn is brown, naturally brown and dormant. If
you see green in the lawn, that is going to
be most like to be a winter annual, and those
are controllable. There's pre emergence and post emergence, so there's
two types. In other words, preventing the weed seeds from
germinating is a pre emergent and a post emergent is
once the weed is germinated, the seed the weed seed
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is up and growing. The herbicide to control that plant
is called a post emergent. So we apply pre emergence
in the fall to help prevent winter annuals. Our goal
is to have a totally brown, dormant lawn with no
weeds in it and then in the springtime, like right now,
in January February March, we apply a pre emergent to
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prevent summer in summer annuals. So your crabgrass and your
weeds that are going to grow as the season warms up,
we want to prevent them. And those seeds germinate typically
in March for the summer annuals March April, and that's
when the soil is warming up as it gets to
around fifty six to fifty eight degrees. Most weed seeds,
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most summer annual weed seeds germinate then, and so our
opportunity to prevent them on the front end is in
January February March with pre emergent.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
So it's time to act now. Now we were talking
off the air because I had a bunch of questions
for you because you know, I have like a green
lawn like everybody else. Now, what about pests and is
it you know, when do those become active? When should
you start worrying about treating for say, mole crickets and
things like that.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
Yeah, so some insects migrate from Florida up the East coast,
and some insects stay here year round. So for those
that are here year round. Let's say grubs and mole
crickets would be two good examples. They can be active.
They're going to be alive, they're going to be in
the soil, but typically from November to say April first,
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they're going to be deeper in the soil, getting away
from the.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
Frost and the coal. They're not going to be eating
as much.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
As a temperature warms up, and as the sole temperature
follows that, which is during the month of March, those
insects will come to the surface and start feeding on
your plants and your grassroots, and that's when it's most
effective to treat them and to keep them out of
your grass areas. So they're still here in the winter,
they're just not doing much damage. You can sometimes see
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a mold cricket around a pool or on concrete or
a few tunnels here and there in full sun, especially
down by the ocean in the coast, but typically they're
just not active until the sole temperature reaches about fifty
six to fifty eight, and then that's around April first,
and then they're just active all summer.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Long, and you don't even know they're active right by
the time you notice that they're doing damage, it's too late.
Your roots are already gone. They've already done the damage
that they're going to do by the time you even
notice a change in your lawn, Isn't that right?
Speaker 4 (12:00):
Yeah, this time of year, if you were to have
moul crickets or grubs going into the fall, and you know,
let's say what was happening in September October, you could
see brown areas in your lawn. It's typically in full sun,
not so much in the shade. So if you see
some brown areas in the soil, sometimes you misdiagnose it
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and you think it's just going dormant. It's just cooling off,
its stop growing, and we hadn't had a frost yet,
so it could be insects doing damage to the lawn underground.
And then the grass goes dormant, so you stop paying
attention to it. And during the winter, on those warm weeks,
those mult crickets or grubs or whatever are eating your roots.
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When we have a warm spell in the winter, and
you know, you think your grass is going to come
out of dormant syy in April, and then you have
this big dead area come April fifteenth and you're not
even mowing it yet it's not green. That is typically
what happens when someone has enough mult crickets or grubs
in the lawn to do some damage. That's what it
looks like in the wintertime. In the summertime, let me
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just throw this in there. In the summertime, your grass
is green. So if you get more crickets or grubs
in your lawn and you start to see a brown
area again, as typically be around lights. All insects are
attracted to lights, So if you have a street light
or pool lights, or even a floodlight on a corner
the house, it stays on. Around lights or in full
sun areas, you'll see the grass turning yellow or brown
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or just stop growing for a while, and that triggers
you to do a little investigation. So you usually catch
it quicker in summer than you do in the winter.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Yeah, I had.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
I actually feel kind of bad about this because I
hired a mobile detailer to come detail my car, and
I had looked out there and they had the rags
land all over the lawn while they were working on
the car. And then like a day or two later,
I noticed these big brown splotches in the lawn, and
I'm like, it's the chemicals from.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
This mobile detailer. This detailer killed my lawn. And it
wasn't him at all.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
It was just the you know, the damage was finally
revealing itself.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
Yeah. Yeah, it's.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
It's not uncommon for you know, misdiagnosis. There's a lot
of a lot of things against misdiagnosed for a lawn
disease or a lawn insect damage and it's something else.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
But well that's why they need you.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
So let me ask you if you do if you
if you have experienced damage, or if you just you know,
if your lawn's very sparse and you've been thinking about
replacing it, or you come out of this winter and
you've got some damage, uh, and you want to replace
your entire turf. Well let's start here and we'll cover
all those subjects. Well, let's start just on repairing the
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debt areas. If somebody wants to not you know, pay
to have their whole lawns sought it again, you know,
what can they do? Can you mix and match different
grass types or or you know, or say you have
an area in the in the shade.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
So the shaded areas would thin out and not grow
as well as your full sun areas.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
So let's say you have some winter damage or you
even have areas that you know are shaded, and so
the grass is receded from those areas. You know, what
can you do? Can you mix and match turf or
what's the best approach if you don't want to replace
your home line?
Speaker 4 (15:25):
Yeah, so you certainly can mix and match, and that's
pretty common actually, And let me just back up and
say this.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
Turf types.
Speaker 4 (15:35):
So if you're talking centipede, Saint Augustine's, oisi, and permuta,
those are the four warm seasoned turf types that we
have here in our area. Those are your four choices.
And of those four choices, just by the way, there
are several, i mean even hundreds of varieties of each
of those turf types. So there's lots of grass options,
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but it all boils down to either a cunipede, a
Saint Augustine, azoysa.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
Or bermuda.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
Each of them have a strength in they each have
a weakness. So a common problem is someone buys a
house and they live there, let's just say for twenty years,
and the first few years, the lawn looks great, and
then maybe the trees start to mature, or they get
two or three dogs, or the kids get older and
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start playing in the lawn or whatever.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
But let's say it's from the shade.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
The grass starts standing out on the side yards, or
you know, the tree gets a couple of trees get
bigger in the front yard or whatever in the shades,
causing an area to thin out.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
It's not uncommon, and I.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
Encourage this for folks to replace that thin area, that
shady shaded area with a turf type that's more shade tolerant.
So let's say they started with centipede, and ten years later,
the centipede looks fine in the full sun, but over
on the side yard where the oak trees are bigger
or whatever it's causing the shade, it's just not looking
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as good. I would not courage them or advise them
to go back with centipede. Saint Augustine is probably the
most shade tolerant option that we have, and then Zoysia
is probably the second or is the second most shade tolerant.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
And if you want them to.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
Look alike, there's a lot of zoyases that resemble centipede,
like Empire or something like that.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
So you could go in with Empire.
Speaker 4 (17:22):
Zoys get more shade tolerance than the centipede, and it
would grow well or better in the shade than the
centipede will.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
And eventually this zoysua.
Speaker 4 (17:31):
Would most likely take over the entire yard as it
grows across.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Now, let's go through I have so many questions for you,
and you mentioned that you know each grass type has
its own strengths and vulnerabilities. Let's go through the downside
of each one real quick.
Speaker 4 (17:48):
Well, the downside of Bermuda is shade. It loves full sun,
it likes a lot of fertilizer. It can take a
lot of traffic. That's why it's on ball fields. But
it is not like shade, So you got to avoid
that of Bermuda if you have shade. The weakness of
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Saint Augustine is disease. There's there's a couple of insects
and a couple of diseases that that are really plague
Saint Augustine. If you know what you're looking at, you
know how to treat them. It's certainly curable and it's
a beautiful grass when taken care of, but UH sideweb
worm only eats us Saint Augustine and UH chinch bugs
only eat Saint Augustine. They will occasionally be in other
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lawns if there's Saint Augustine around, but if there's Saint
Augustine around, they're going to it and then diseased and
specifically gray leaf spot and brown patch.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
It is a fungusy disease. The kind of grass if you.
Speaker 4 (18:47):
If you take care of that are those issues, then
Saint Augustine will do fine. Zoysia, in my opinion, is
my favorite. It just it wasn't originally, but I've been
in business a long time and and I've just seen
it do better in sun, do better in shade. It's
it's rhizominous, meaning it grows underground as well as above
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the ground, so it's it's pretty resistant to traffic. There's
a few bugs and insects that affect it, but not
as bad as it affects other as they affect.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
Other turf types. So I really like zoyages.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
That's my favorite cunipede.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
It's it's just.
Speaker 4 (19:27):
Fickle that you can do everything right and still not
have the result that you want.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
You can. You can do the.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
Same thing you did last year, let's say, with fertilizer
or you know, pre emerging or something like that, and
not have the same result this year. It is a
fickle grass and it's pretty slow to recover. Not as
shade tolerant as Saint Augustine and zoysia. It can grow
in a little bit of shade, and it can grow
in full sun, but it is it will give you
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trouble if you try to grow sunypede.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Now we were talking off the air and you said
you'd be happy to advise anybody on you know, how
to repair their lawn or even replace their whole on
with sad. You don't do that specifically yourself, but you're
happy to discuss it with them. But you're also saying
where there's just a wealth of information at say like
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the Clemson Extension. They've got all kinds of information where
you can study on your different grass types and what
would be best for you. You're going to need a
soil test too, right.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
Yeah, So as far as getting information for making a
good decision or learning how to manage your turf, all
the Southeastern universities or all the agriculture universities in the southeast,
so Florida, you know, Georgia, Clemson, Nancy State, even Mississippi State, Texas,
A and M. They all have great information. And I
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advise folks to go to those websites instead of like
a master gardener website or getting information from someone a
lows no fence of Lows. But usually the universities actually
do the majority of the studies on fertility and weeding
insect control, and they'll have more current and better information
for you. And in that same conversation, Michael I was
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talking about helping people make the right decision and decide
on the right turf type if you're going to renovate
or side or even just patch some damage in your lawn.
For example, I just build a house. My wife and
I just build a house, and I put palisade Zoysia
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in the backyard. And when I went to buy the turf,
I asked the guy how much centipede was and it's
only about forty or I think it was forty seven
dollars something like that more per palette.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
To get Zoysia.
Speaker 4 (21:49):
And I just know Zoisa's as I said a minute ago,
more shade tolerant, more disease and insect tolerant spreads underground
it's rhizominas, so traffic from dogs or kids or whatever.
It's just a better option, get a lot less problems
with it, and it's only forty something dollars more per palet.
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So in the grand scheme of things, if you were
doing a ten palate job, you're only talking about four
or five hundred dollars roughly, and but way more success
growing it better look, And so I think if folks
understood the strengths and the weaknesses of each turf type,
they could make a better decision on which one to
pick for their application.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Yeah, and in the end of the day, I understand
wanting and trying to save money, and you know everybody's
pretty much in that position now, but you're going to
end up spending it one way or the other. If
you want a healthy lawn, you know, doing the patches
and coming back and just having to deal with it
over and over again, it's going to cost you probably
equally to or even more than it would cost on
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your initial investment just to get the better stuff to
begin with.
Speaker 4 (22:55):
Right, Yeah, I wish I had done a study or
you know, collected some data on that. But I can
just tell you I've been in business over twenty five years.
I don't know if it's ninety to one, I don't know,
but it's a lot the percentage of aggravation and complaints
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and just unhappy customers that pick the wrong turf type
when it could it could have been either completely prevented
or the aggravation and the cost to maintain the wrong
turf type in a application, it could have been made
so much easier and better. Have we just spent a
little more money and put the right turf type in
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that area?
Speaker 1 (23:39):
No, exactly.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
Now, you guys at the lawn doctor, now you offer
programs where people really don't even have to worry. I mean,
of course they have to, you know, cut their grass
and water it, but you take care of everything else.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
Right.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
You can get on a program where you come out
at exactly the right time and treat it, fertilize it,
you know, put your herbicides down, free emergence, your pest control,
and you do that on a schedule where it has
the most effect on your lawn. And then people are
on that program and don't have to worry about anything
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except of watering and cutting right.
Speaker 4 (24:16):
Yeah, So we have a turf program and we come
out seven times a year and we treat for weeds,
treat for bugs, provide to fertilization. We've got a lot
of different options that you can spend more, spend less.
You kind of make the decision when you contact us.
We'll explain what all options we offer, and then you
can add or take away from the basic turf program
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that we have. It's based on, like I said earlier,
Clemson's recommendations or the Southern Universities recommendations for our climate,
our area, and our turf types. We also have a
mosquito control program and a tree and trub program, So
we are taking taking care of your outdoor space to
keep the you know, the insects and the mosquitos and
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no seeums in all out of your yard or help
minimize that, take care of your shrubbery and your ornamental
trees and shrubs. And then our main business is just
taking care of turf. We don't install it, we don't
mow it. We just specialize in making a green, making
it grow, and controlling the weeds and insects in it.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Now, Shelton, if anybody wants to discuss that with you further,
what's the best way that they should go about contacting you.
Speaker 4 (25:25):
Well, our local number one of a few is eight
four three eight seven three five seven one one. They
can also go to lawndoctor dot com. And they can
also go to lawndoctor Charleston dot com.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
So lawndoctor dot com, lawndoctor Charleston dot com and give
that phone number one more time.
Speaker 4 (25:43):
Eight four three eight seven three five seven one one.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
So Shelton is a wealth of information, as you've heard,
and I could talk to forever. I could talk forever
to you about it, but we're out of time here,
but I appreciate you taking the time come in here
and discuss this with us today. Shelton, and he's been
in business long time, knows a lot about lawns. He
and his wife Catherine own the lawn Doctor. So they're
a local business, and get a hold of them. If
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you want a green, healthy lawn and you're sick of
worrying about all the problems, then Shelton's your man at
the lawn Doctor that does it for today's your home
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Hey there, it's Michael Blaze.
Speaker 2 (00:01):
Welcome to Your Home three sixty, the show where we
talk about everything that has to do with your home.
When I say everything, I mean everything everything from landscaping
to maintenance, plumbing, roofing, appliances, flooring, lawn care, products that
you put in your home. So we cover the whole
gamut of home ownership and it's a lot to keep
(00:24):
up with sometimes. That's why we have our show You're
Home three sixty to help give you some advice on
how to take care of your home. I'm also a
South Carolina licensed realtor, so we talk a lot about
real estate on the show too, So if you have
any questions regarding your home, real estate, anything like that,
feel free to reach out to me.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Easiest way to do.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
It is contact me at Michael Blaze at iHeartMedia dot com.
That's Michael Blaze at iHeartMedia dot com. Or you can
do Michael Blaze at five Star real Estate dot com.
Michael Blaze at five star real Estate dot com. I'm
happy to answer your questions, might even get you on
the show to ask your question, or if you specialize
(01:06):
in another area that you don't have any questions about that.
You're already an expert on I'm happy to have you
as a guest on the show. Today's guest is an
expert in the lawn care business. He's the lawn Doctor.
Today's special guest is Shelton Culpepper of the Lawn Doctor.
He's owner of Lawn Doctor. Welcome to the show today, Shelton.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Thank you very much.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
Michael, absolutely so. I have a bunch of questions for you,
and I'm sure everybody else does too, And especially at
this time of year. We're getting ready to roll into spring,
and you know, lawn care is at the top of
everybody's list. If not yet, it will be soon. And
we had a rough winter. You know, that snow is unbelievable.
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We don't see that very often where it sticks around
and stays on the ground. So did that snow do
any damage to people's lawns?
Speaker 4 (01:56):
It certainly can. I think it's a little early to
know for sure. Right now you could be seeing some signs.
But around April first, as things start to green up
and people start mowing, you what could or likely would
have areas that don't green up, and those areas could
(02:16):
be affected by the winter kill or winter damage from
the freeze that we had in January, and sometimes those
areas will turn gray in color. There's a mold that
grows on the grass if it dies on the blades,
so instead of that tan kind of yellowish normal dormant look,
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it may look more gray.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
And then the other.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
Symptom will be that the turf will pull up fairly
easy because if it is winter kill, then you'll be
able to pull it up. It will have affected the
roots as well. That area is not going to grow back,
so the roots will come up. So when you pull
in an area, if you were to go up with
your hands and grab an area of just dormant grass,
it would still have roots attached, and it may be
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you know, dormant color, but it would be attached to
the soil with the roots. But the winter killed area
would want to just pull up pretty easily, and that's
when you know that it could have affected your lawn.
If you see those areas. The most common areas for
winterkill on a lawn would be the north facing slopes.
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Those are going to be the worst affected. So if
it's pretty flat here, but there are some slopes and
it doesn't take much. But if there's a north facing
slope that's going to be the most affected by the
winter or the snow event. It can happen on any
side or any facing direction, but north is usually the worst.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Now, is that damage coming from simply just freezing?
Speaker 3 (03:50):
Yeah, So.
Speaker 4 (03:52):
Turf grass, it takes about ten days of cool weather
for grass to stop growing and start going into dormancy,
but it only takes about three days of warm weather
for the grass to start coming out of dormancy and
start to actually move fluids around in the body of
the plant and to start actively growing. It may not
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grow vertical where you got to mow it, but the
processes and the plant start happening within those first three days.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
So here we have cool weather.
Speaker 4 (04:23):
But even in our winter and say November, December, January
and February, you can still have you know, seventy five
eighty degrees.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
So if we had warm weather.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
And the grass has started moving those nutrients and fluids,
and then we had snow or ice or a cold spell,
it doesn't have to be snow or ice, it could
just be a hard frost or freeze. Typically below thirty
that's when that winter damage will happen.
Speaker 2 (04:48):
I see, And that kind of touches on my next question. So,
in the wintertime, even though your grass is dormant, does
it require anything, Does it require any amount of water?
I mean can it? Can it be if we're in say,
you know, normally it rains a lot in the winter
around here, but say we go through a dry period
in the winter in your grass is dormant. Can that
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affect your grass? Can that kill it?
Speaker 3 (05:12):
Yeah? So the.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
Term for that is desiccation. That's grass drying up. But yes,
even though grass is not green and not growing in
our area, you should still water it. So even November, December, January,
and February, and especially in March when grass is trying
to come out of dormancy and start growing again, it
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does need to be watered on somewhat at a regular
basis once a week, no more than twice a week.
So sandy soil, John's Island, James Sullivan's Ala, Palm's Folly,
anywhere that's sandy, especially on the beaches or the beach communities.
Those areas would need more water because the sand doesn't
hold water, straining out, leaching out the bottom, but alter
(06:00):
feving up, you know, Goose Creek months corner Somerville inland
More is.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Going to need to be watered.
Speaker 4 (06:06):
I would like to say that I think February is
the wettest month on average. We get the most rain
in February, and I think August is a second. They're
first and second. I think February is first, but we
do sometimes occasionally have dry spells of a week or two,
maybe even three weeks, and that's the timeframe when you
want to water it. Especially, and let's just say March
(06:30):
one to April fifteenth, when the grass is actively trying
to come out of dormancy and start growing.
Speaker 2 (06:35):
So just make sure it doesn't completely dry out. Now,
the same does not go for fertilizer and other chemicals
when it's dorming, right.
Speaker 4 (06:44):
Yeah, So from a fertility standpoint, you don't want to
make the grass green and to make it grow. If
it's a cool season grass centipede, Saint Augustine's oyser or bermuda,
they are wanting to naturally go dormant and say the
you know, early November, and then stay dormant during the
winter and then come out of dormancy around April first.
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So you don't want to fertilize them to make them
green or to make them grow. Having said that, there
are some fertilizers that you can put down that fertilizes
just the roots and that'll make it more winter hardy,
cold tolerant, increase the root depth and set that grass
up for success come spring.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
Now, those are those winterizer I think they call them fertilizers, right, Yeah,
but you can't put that down in the Can you
put that down when it's dom after it's dormant.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
Yeah, So you would want to look for a formula
such as zero zero twenty or something along those lines,
zero zero ten, something like that. In other words, the
first two digits on the bag, well, the first digit
on the bag represents nitrogen. That's what makes grass green
and makes it grow. The last digit represents potassium, and
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that makes the roots grow and makes it more winter hardy.
So something with high potassium and low nitrogen, like a
five to ten twenty or something like that, or a
zero zero twenty would be what you want to put
down in the winter.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Now, what about weed killer? Can you use what you
would normally use on your summer lawn to kill the weeds?
The chemicals to kill the weeds? Can you use that
is there any danger to your dormant grass trying to
kill the winter weeds.
Speaker 4 (08:30):
So yes, you can control winter weeds. We don't use
the same chemistries in the winter that we use in
the summer. The summer with the heat kind of changes
our game and we have to use different active ingredients
when it's hot, so let's say after May through September.
But when it is cool, we want to target winter annuals.
Those are the weeds that are green during the winter.
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When your lawn is brown, naturally brown and dormant. If
you see green in the lawn, that is going to
be most like to be a winter annual, and those
are controllable. There's pre emergence and post emergence, so there's
two types. In other words, preventing the weed seeds from
germinating is a pre emergent and a post emergent is
once the weed is germinated, the seed the weed seed
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is up and growing. The herbicide to control that plant
is called a post emergent. So we apply pre emergence
in the fall to help prevent winter annuals. Our goal
is to have a totally brown, dormant lawn with no
weeds in it and then in the springtime, like right now,
in January February March, we apply a pre emergent to
(09:40):
prevent summer in summer annuals. So your crabgrass and your
weeds that are going to grow as the season warms up,
we want to prevent them. And those seeds germinate typically
in March for the summer annuals March April, and that's
when the soil is warming up as it gets to
around fifty six to fifty eight degrees. Most weed seeds,
(10:04):
most summer annual weed seeds germinate then, and so our
opportunity to prevent them on the front end is in
January February March with pre emergent.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
So it's time to act now. Now we were talking
off the air because I had a bunch of questions
for you because you know, I have like a green
lawn like everybody else. Now, what about pests and is
it you know, when do those become active? When should
you start worrying about treating for say, mole crickets and
things like that.
Speaker 4 (10:33):
Yeah, so some insects migrate from Florida up the East coast,
and some insects stay here year round. So for those
that are here year round. Let's say grubs and mole
crickets would be two good examples. They can be active.
They're going to be alive, they're going to be in
the soil, but typically from November to say April first,
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they're going to be deeper in the soil, getting away
from the.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
Frost and the coal. They're not going to be eating
as much.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
As a temperature warms up, and as the sole temperature
follows that, which is during the month of March, those
insects will come to the surface and start feeding on
your plants and your grassroots, and that's when it's most
effective to treat them and to keep them out of
your grass areas. So they're still here in the winter,
they're just not doing much damage. You can sometimes see
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a mold cricket around a pool or on concrete or
a few tunnels here and there in full sun, especially
down by the ocean in the coast, but typically they're
just not active until the sole temperature reaches about fifty
six to fifty eight, and then that's around April first,
and then they're just active all summer.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
Long, and you don't even know they're active right by
the time you notice that they're doing damage, it's too late.
Your roots are already gone. They've already done the damage
that they're going to do by the time you even
notice a change in your lawn, Isn't that right?
Speaker 4 (12:00):
Yeah, this time of year, if you were to have
moul crickets or grubs going into the fall, and you know,
let's say what was happening in September October, you could
see brown areas in your lawn. It's typically in full sun,
not so much in the shade. So if you see
some brown areas in the soil, sometimes you misdiagnose it
(12:22):
and you think it's just going dormant. It's just cooling off,
its stop growing, and we hadn't had a frost yet,
so it could be insects doing damage to the lawn underground.
And then the grass goes dormant, so you stop paying
attention to it. And during the winter, on those warm weeks,
those mult crickets or grubs or whatever are eating your roots.
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When we have a warm spell in the winter, and
you know, you think your grass is going to come
out of dormant syy in April, and then you have
this big dead area come April fifteenth and you're not
even mowing it yet it's not green. That is typically
what happens when someone has enough mult crickets or grubs
in the lawn to do some damage. That's what it
looks like in the wintertime. In the summertime, let me
(13:03):
just throw this in there. In the summertime, your grass
is green. So if you get more crickets or grubs
in your lawn and you start to see a brown
area again, as typically be around lights. All insects are
attracted to lights, So if you have a street light
or pool lights, or even a floodlight on a corner
the house, it stays on. Around lights or in full
sun areas, you'll see the grass turning yellow or brown
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or just stop growing for a while, and that triggers
you to do a little investigation. So you usually catch
it quicker in summer than you do in the winter.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Yeah, I had.
Speaker 2 (13:37):
I actually feel kind of bad about this because I
hired a mobile detailer to come detail my car, and
I had looked out there and they had the rags
land all over the lawn while they were working on
the car. And then like a day or two later,
I noticed these big brown splotches in the lawn, and
I'm like, it's the chemicals from.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
This mobile detailer. This detailer killed my lawn. And it
wasn't him at all.
Speaker 2 (14:01):
It was just the you know, the damage was finally
revealing itself.
Speaker 3 (14:05):
Yeah. Yeah, it's.
Speaker 4 (14:08):
It's not uncommon for you know, misdiagnosis. There's a lot
of a lot of things against misdiagnosed for a lawn
disease or a lawn insect damage and it's something else.
Speaker 1 (14:20):
But well that's why they need you.
Speaker 3 (14:22):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
So let me ask you if you do if you
if you have experienced damage, or if you just you know,
if your lawn's very sparse and you've been thinking about
replacing it, or you come out of this winter and
you've got some damage, uh, and you want to replace
your entire turf. Well let's start here and we'll cover
all those subjects. Well, let's start just on repairing the
(14:47):
debt areas. If somebody wants to not you know, pay
to have their whole lawns sought it again, you know,
what can they do? Can you mix and match different
grass types or or you know, or say you have
an area in the in the shade.
Speaker 4 (15:03):
So the shaded areas would thin out and not grow
as well as your full sun areas.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
So let's say you have some winter damage or you
even have areas that you know are shaded, and so
the grass is receded from those areas. You know, what
can you do? Can you mix and match turf or
what's the best approach if you don't want to replace
your home line?
Speaker 4 (15:25):
Yeah, so you certainly can mix and match, and that's
pretty common actually, And let me just back up and
say this.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
Turf types.
Speaker 4 (15:35):
So if you're talking centipede, Saint Augustine's, oisi, and permuta,
those are the four warm seasoned turf types that we
have here in our area. Those are your four choices.
And of those four choices, just by the way, there
are several, i mean even hundreds of varieties of each
of those turf types. So there's lots of grass options,
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but it all boils down to either a cunipede, a
Saint Augustine, azoysa.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
Or bermuda.
Speaker 4 (16:01):
Each of them have a strength in they each have
a weakness. So a common problem is someone buys a
house and they live there, let's just say for twenty years,
and the first few years, the lawn looks great, and
then maybe the trees start to mature, or they get
two or three dogs, or the kids get older and
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start playing in the lawn or whatever.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
But let's say it's from the shade.
Speaker 4 (16:27):
The grass starts standing out on the side yards, or
you know, the tree gets a couple of trees get
bigger in the front yard or whatever in the shades,
causing an area to thin out.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
It's not uncommon, and I.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
Encourage this for folks to replace that thin area, that
shady shaded area with a turf type that's more shade tolerant.
So let's say they started with centipede, and ten years later,
the centipede looks fine in the full sun, but over
on the side yard where the oak trees are bigger
or whatever it's causing the shade, it's just not looking
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as good. I would not courage them or advise them
to go back with centipede. Saint Augustine is probably the
most shade tolerant option that we have, and then Zoysia
is probably the second or is the second most shade tolerant.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
And if you want them to.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
Look alike, there's a lot of zoyases that resemble centipede,
like Empire or something like that.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
So you could go in with Empire.
Speaker 4 (17:22):
Zoys get more shade tolerance than the centipede, and it
would grow well or better in the shade than the
centipede will.
Speaker 3 (17:30):
And eventually this zoysua.
Speaker 4 (17:31):
Would most likely take over the entire yard as it
grows across.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Now, let's go through I have so many questions for you,
and you mentioned that you know each grass type has
its own strengths and vulnerabilities. Let's go through the downside
of each one real quick.
Speaker 4 (17:48):
Well, the downside of Bermuda is shade. It loves full sun,
it likes a lot of fertilizer. It can take a
lot of traffic. That's why it's on ball fields. But
it is not like shade, So you got to avoid
that of Bermuda if you have shade. The weakness of
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Saint Augustine is disease. There's there's a couple of insects
and a couple of diseases that that are really plague
Saint Augustine. If you know what you're looking at, you
know how to treat them. It's certainly curable and it's
a beautiful grass when taken care of, but UH sideweb
worm only eats us Saint Augustine and UH chinch bugs
only eat Saint Augustine. They will occasionally be in other
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lawns if there's Saint Augustine around, but if there's Saint
Augustine around, they're going to it and then diseased and
specifically gray leaf spot and brown patch.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
It is a fungusy disease. The kind of grass if you.
Speaker 4 (18:47):
If you take care of that are those issues, then
Saint Augustine will do fine. Zoysia, in my opinion, is
my favorite. It just it wasn't originally, but I've been
in business a long time and and I've just seen
it do better in sun, do better in shade. It's
it's rhizominous, meaning it grows underground as well as above
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the ground, so it's it's pretty resistant to traffic. There's
a few bugs and insects that affect it, but not
as bad as it affects other as they affect.
Speaker 3 (19:19):
Other turf types. So I really like zoyages.
Speaker 4 (19:21):
That's my favorite cunipede.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
It's it's just.
Speaker 4 (19:27):
Fickle that you can do everything right and still not
have the result that you want.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
You can. You can do the.
Speaker 4 (19:34):
Same thing you did last year, let's say, with fertilizer
or you know, pre emerging or something like that, and
not have the same result this year. It is a
fickle grass and it's pretty slow to recover. Not as
shade tolerant as Saint Augustine and zoysia. It can grow
in a little bit of shade, and it can grow
in full sun, but it is it will give you
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trouble if you try to grow sunypede.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
Now we were talking off the air and you said
you'd be happy to advise anybody on you know, how
to repair their lawn or even replace their whole on
with sad. You don't do that specifically yourself, but you're
happy to discuss it with them. But you're also saying
where there's just a wealth of information at say like
(20:18):
the Clemson Extension. They've got all kinds of information where
you can study on your different grass types and what
would be best for you. You're going to need a
soil test too, right.
Speaker 4 (20:30):
Yeah, So as far as getting information for making a
good decision or learning how to manage your turf, all
the Southeastern universities or all the agriculture universities in the southeast,
so Florida, you know, Georgia, Clemson, Nancy State, even Mississippi State, Texas,
A and M. They all have great information. And I
(20:52):
advise folks to go to those websites instead of like
a master gardener website or getting information from someone a
lows no fence of Lows. But usually the universities actually
do the majority of the studies on fertility and weeding
insect control, and they'll have more current and better information
for you. And in that same conversation, Michael I was
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talking about helping people make the right decision and decide
on the right turf type if you're going to renovate
or side or even just patch some damage in your lawn.
For example, I just build a house. My wife and
I just build a house, and I put palisade Zoysia
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in the backyard. And when I went to buy the turf,
I asked the guy how much centipede was and it's
only about forty or I think it was forty seven
dollars something like that more per palette.
Speaker 3 (21:47):
To get Zoysia.
Speaker 4 (21:49):
And I just know Zoisa's as I said a minute ago,
more shade tolerant, more disease and insect tolerant spreads underground
it's rhizominas, so traffic from dogs or kids or whatever.
It's just a better option, get a lot less problems
with it, and it's only forty something dollars more per palet.
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So in the grand scheme of things, if you were
doing a ten palate job, you're only talking about four
or five hundred dollars roughly, and but way more success
growing it better look, And so I think if folks
understood the strengths and the weaknesses of each turf type,
they could make a better decision on which one to
pick for their application.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
Yeah, and in the end of the day, I understand
wanting and trying to save money, and you know everybody's
pretty much in that position now, but you're going to
end up spending it one way or the other. If
you want a healthy lawn, you know, doing the patches
and coming back and just having to deal with it
over and over again, it's going to cost you probably
equally to or even more than it would cost on
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your initial investment just to get the better stuff to
begin with.
Speaker 4 (22:55):
Right, Yeah, I wish I had done a study or
you know, collected some data on that. But I can
just tell you I've been in business over twenty five years.
I don't know if it's ninety to one, I don't know,
but it's a lot the percentage of aggravation and complaints
(23:17):
and just unhappy customers that pick the wrong turf type
when it could it could have been either completely prevented
or the aggravation and the cost to maintain the wrong
turf type in a application, it could have been made
so much easier and better. Have we just spent a
little more money and put the right turf type in
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that area?
Speaker 1 (23:39):
No, exactly.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
Now, you guys at the lawn doctor, now you offer
programs where people really don't even have to worry. I mean,
of course they have to, you know, cut their grass
and water it, but you take care of everything else.
Speaker 1 (23:51):
Right.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
You can get on a program where you come out
at exactly the right time and treat it, fertilize it,
you know, put your herbicides down, free emergence, your pest control,
and you do that on a schedule where it has
the most effect on your lawn. And then people are
on that program and don't have to worry about anything
(24:13):
except of watering and cutting right.
Speaker 4 (24:16):
Yeah, So we have a turf program and we come
out seven times a year and we treat for weeds,
treat for bugs, provide to fertilization. We've got a lot
of different options that you can spend more, spend less.
You kind of make the decision when you contact us.
We'll explain what all options we offer, and then you
can add or take away from the basic turf program
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that we have. It's based on, like I said earlier,
Clemson's recommendations or the Southern Universities recommendations for our climate,
our area, and our turf types. We also have a
mosquito control program and a tree and trub program, So
we are taking taking care of your outdoor space to
keep the you know, the insects and the mosquitos and
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no seeums in all out of your yard or help
minimize that, take care of your shrubbery and your ornamental
trees and shrubs. And then our main business is just
taking care of turf. We don't install it, we don't
mow it. We just specialize in making a green, making
it grow, and controlling the weeds and insects in it.
Speaker 2 (25:19):
Now, Shelton, if anybody wants to discuss that with you further,
what's the best way that they should go about contacting you.
Speaker 4 (25:25):
Well, our local number one of a few is eight
four three eight seven three five seven one one. They
can also go to lawndoctor dot com. And they can
also go to lawndoctor Charleston dot com.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
So lawndoctor dot com, lawndoctor Charleston dot com and give
that phone number one more time.
Speaker 4 (25:43):
Eight four three eight seven three five seven one one.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
So Shelton is a wealth of information, as you've heard,
and I could talk to forever. I could talk forever
to you about it, but we're out of time here,
but I appreciate you taking the time come in here
and discuss this with us today. Shelton, and he's been
in business long time, knows a lot about lawns. He
and his wife Catherine own the lawn Doctor. So they're
a local business, and get a hold of them. If
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you want a green, healthy lawn and you're sick of
worrying about all the problems, then Shelton's your man at
the lawn Doctor that does it for today's your home
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to hear today's episode again or if you miss part
of it, or if you want to hear past episodes,
They've got a whole bunch of them up online for you.
You know, I take the show and make it into
(26:29):
a podcast. It's essentially the same show you.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
Hear on the radio.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
You can find that by going to ninety four to
three WSC dot com or on your iHeartRadio app just
search for your home three sixty. On some of the
most recent episodes, we talked to Ryan Watkins from Brownswood
Nursery about taking care of your landscape. Stephen Humard from
Selling Ground Inspections about home inspections, Dave Dunning from Carpetbaggers
(26:55):
about the trends in flooring and what you need to
look out for when you're choosing new flooring for your home.
Victoria Cowart on managing service animals if you're a landlord
and you have to deal with a tenant with a
service animal. We dig into flood insurance and what that's
an important thing to have on your home, even if
it's not required. I talk to mortgage brokers about borrowing
(27:16):
money and what you need to look out for when
you're in the market for a loan. We talk about
VA loans. If you're a veteran, there's special things that
are available to you. As far as VA loans go,
it's not available to the general public. I talk about
real estate contracts, how best to negotiate them, how best
to fill out your contract? What are some red flags
(27:38):
to look out for. So there's all kinds of great advice.
There's eighty something episodes of podcasts up there, so you
can binge listen all weekend long, and don't worry. I
won't get mad if you don't get to them mall
this weekend. But I won't be watching.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
No I will. There's no way I can do that
in today's world. You never know.
Speaker 2 (27:59):
Right, You're home three sixty airs every weekend right here
at ninety four three WSC. So tunin again next weekend
on Saturday at seven thirty a m.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
And again at two p m.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
And I will talk to you again on Monday on
Charleston's Morning News with Kelly and Blaize. Enjoy the rest
of your weekend and stay safe.
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