December 2, 2025 • 24 mins
Today on the pod we're joined by the one and only Mikey Havoc, as he and Jeremy Wells go deep on how they started their TV show in the 90s.
Plus he tells us about his band Push Push - their origins, new music, and upcoming gigs!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Oh yeah, no word of a lot, no word of
a life. Four people came up beating Metallica so as
his favorite museal song. Given that's the truth, maybe that
sounds what mean you fort on the pod which starts
the pod We're party. I thought we're pre potting.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
We're no preod We're going raw.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
This is the podcast.
Speaker 4 (00:24):
Wednesday, the third of December twenty twenty five. Mike Havock
joins us on the podcast to be here as well.
It's nice to have you on the podcast.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Thanks.
Speaker 4 (00:34):
We just having to chat to you on the radio
about what's happening next year.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
Are you and your.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
Friends from Push Push getting together full shows Auckland, Fangepra,
Hamilton and the Mount as well four days in a row?
Speaker 1 (00:50):
We I mean, I guess we'd like to do we'd
like to do more dates, but we can't because, like
like I mentioned on the radio earlier, the tow the
tarifle of over Australia. So we mean maybe trying. We're
maybe going to try and squeeze one or two more
shows if we can, and then we've got one booked
in August and christ Church. Did you think I'm not
supposed to say that.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
Yet I think in nineteen ninety five or nineteen ninety six,
did you think did you think that you'd be doing shows?
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Well, by that stage the band had broken up. Wow,
because yeah, So it was like nineteen ninety one as
when the album came out, So nineteen, I think nineteen
ninety was maybe nineteen when the out came out, but
nineteen ninety one, ninety ninety ones with Dripple came out. Yeah, yes,
the ninety ones when Tripple came out. Album came out,
ninety two, and then we probably toured for two or
(01:38):
three years maybe on that and then yeah, sort.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Of that was then there was enough.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
We had a little bit of a bit of a
sort of unceremonious split.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
And yeah, young men, young men, different idea, different passions,
you know, yep, and and we were in a separate
ways there and then sort of at one stage we
all hadn't been in the Plame room together for twenty years. Yeah,
and then like, yeah, we've been yeah, two of us,
all three of us, but all five of us back
together in one room for twenty years was just pretty insane.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
What was what was that like.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
A little bit But then once once I sort of
happened a lot of it was like, you know, it's
time to get over all this any issues, you know,
that was well truly past. And then and then it
was sort of like, within like five minutes, it was
just it was like being sixteen again. So it was like, yeah,
we're all I'm giving each other about not bringing oh yeah,
bringing leading in, he brought the wrong symbol stand or whatever,
(02:32):
you know, teaching each other way. And then you'd be
playing some songs that we were playing. You would one
that I thought i'd know the words, so I'd mess
them up. And then once that were I completely had
no idea where what was happening. In the next five seconds,
it was just come to you, you know, the Yeah, it
was yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 5 (02:54):
What what what's it like been on tour for three
years of the you know, not only just the same duds,
but just being on tour in general.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Well, I mean, say on tour that was basically New Zealand,
lots of New Zealand, and then quite intense three and
a half months in Australia.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Yeah, but and that sounds like you're in your early twenties.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
That was awesome. You just I wouldn't change it for
a second. It was and we you know, we we
had we were lucky enough to be doing it at
a time when when people were really starting to really
appreciate local music. Yeah, and and and you know, they
you put on a big live show, they really appreciate it,
and people bought tickets and people people came along, and
people bought the records and it was it was cool. Man.
(03:31):
They never made a dollar out of it, but we
got to do that for that that time, you know,
And when were in Australia, it was like, you know,
went and lived over there, sort of checked into some accommodation.
And then at one stage when Sydney, we're doing sometimes
like six shows a week, and some of those some
nights was three nights of three shows a night. What
are yeah? What yeah on Sydney and some you do
(03:53):
like a you do like a sort of suburban early
evening show in Sydney. Then you do one right in
the middle of Sydney and then another on the other
side of Sydney. Yeah, work across you remember roadies Yeah yeah, yeah,
I mean Lugger, you know, like it was all we're like,
you know, we're quote but that's say we sort of
charted over in Australia at that states. That's why we
(04:13):
went over there, and people saw that we had a
reputation that it was cool, and it was yeah, and
you never met you got sort of your perdiums, you know, Yeah, we'll.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Just get straight across the bar.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
I imagine, well, yeah, well just just to feed yourself.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Yeah, of course you've got love.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
I can imagine.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
I can imagine you as a young man trembling around Australiam.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Big water pedems and there's.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
No big water padiems straight all in once and a
privy e van. It's like slogging it from place to place.
But it was cool, man. It was just like yeah,
at the time, it was just like this is such experiences.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
I remember seeing you on Hey, hey it's Saturday. This
is before I this is before I met you. And
I remember seeing three forty five live. It's the first
time I oversaw you. So firstly, I remember seeing the
song immediately the first time I heard trip and I went, wow,
that's a cool song. I would have been fourteen and
I heard it and I was like, that's a catchy.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
First time I heard it, it was like i'd heard
it before. I thought I've heard the song before, but
I hadn't.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
It's a catchy tune for you.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
Yeah, And then I remember you on three forty five
Live and you're chatting to Ricky Morris and Camela Barfield.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
And and you sort.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
Of took over the show actually, like I was like, Oh,
this guy's this guy's great. It's got real charisma. And
then and then the next time I saw you, I
mean it was on three forty five Live, not through
for us. Hey, Haye Saturday, Hey hate Saturday.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
Yeah Saday.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
First news yalle Mand to ever play live and ha
hate Saturday.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
And again you took over the show like you.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
I thought we were snotty little dicks actually because because
we had a bad sound trick. And then when we
came on and soon one of the guitars and remember
I didn't watch that for years afterwards because I thought
it was so bad. But then it was actually que good. Fine, Yes, well,
I recommend everybody should watch it.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
I watched it.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Molly Meldrum like the drummer.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
Oh really it was.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
I think part of the reason we got on the show. Yeah,
because he I reckon, I reckon they're the next day
c DC. I thought there was probably a little bit,
you know, it's high expectations. Well, and it's selling us
a little bit much. We're good, but.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
I'm sure bess many times? How did you guys, mate?
Speaker 1 (06:20):
I don't know at school, It's cool started out at
school and was just come.
Speaker 5 (06:26):
But no, sorry you and Jerry, I mean Jerry had
he was doing news on BF breaks right, that's right.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
He's a capable broadcaster. I thought, because.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
He's a capable broadcaster.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Yeah, well we were talking about that.
Speaker 5 (06:44):
That was the reason Jerry and never ended up getting
his degree, because he got the job reading to the.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Road Under that day. We had conversation and then.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
And then from there and then that was the end
of it.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Recently, is it nice and romantic that I took it
to the road Under for that conversation.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
I still want past.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
Whenever I see that rotunda, I do think of that
conversation and I remember it like it was yesterday.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
But we recently tried.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
To what do you think let's go to the rotunda?
Were on here?
Speaker 5 (07:10):
No?
Speaker 4 (07:10):
I knew that something. I you he had a real
spring and a step and I knew that. I knew
that something was on. I definitely knew that something's on.
But also the way that it all happened with the
head of tv Z at the time, Neil roberts I mean,
that would never happen now, Like the idea of the
head of TV and Z just being out at a
nightclub on K Road on a Saturday or Friday night
(07:32):
at the staircase.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
Partying away with Caliber was a caliber a lot of
other people. It's like, that would never happen.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
And when we did, when the Rotunda conversation happened, at
that stage, it was just going to be a one,
one hour, once a week show and then not maybe
a couple of weeks after that or maybe a month after.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
That, this is the Havoc show we're talking about show.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
It was originally Space and then Neil Robertson was the
head of tv that we're talking about. He said, Okay, hey,
look here's what's going to happen. Five nights live. What
what you guys? You guys come do five nights a
week live television.
Speaker 4 (08:13):
But it was almost like it's almost easy suited to
doing that than then the hour.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
I think I think so at the time, Yeah, yeah,
I think I grew into the hour. But then but
that was that was so much fun in.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
It, I mean, then your turn.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
We turned up to TV and Z and then all
of a sudden there's a suit, you know, like an
actual sorry suit a set and it's like and and
Mike's design or had a lot of to do with
how the set was and their meetings with like proper
set people, now like, what do you want this?
Speaker 3 (08:39):
It must I want a big chip.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Paddling pulled a tolf full of water, which is something
that something that we carried on for quote quite a
lot many years later. It's just asking for dumb ship
to see if they do it.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
They just I want to bar over in this corner.
I want trinkets over here. I want to look like
kind of a retro sort of lounge. And then all
of a sudden it came back and we walked into
the CEO one.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
It's like there it does. Here's all the stuff.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
And after every show someone he's out the pedaling. We
want to, we want to, we want to, we want
We're going to get bloody. What's your name? Renaen On,
we had Rena rowan On and we decided to concurse
some eggs and so parpetue sit up and they'll smugg lars.
(09:34):
What about when we trashed the sit when we played
Killing in the Name of We actually.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
Just thought it was a good idea to trust the
sit while the song was being played.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
So we're playing the video for at the end of
and then you guys should trash the set, okay.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
The producer said that, yeah, So we started doing it, like.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
What do you doing like and then we started like
he didn't you throw a couch at me or something
like that? And then I did a massive, big which
I can't believe. I break my collar bone something driving
at the end, and you remember looking your eyes that
you're so terrified as I was falling down on top
of just for the fire next and then the next next,
(10:13):
come back the next day.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
It's all rebuilt, but apparently not happy and people know
happy about it. There was a few people that were
not happy about that. And on the first night, I
think for our show, I think we had we play
Bill Rolston and.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
Angel Bofield Angel maybe Pam Cookery or.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
Something Angel and they painted cups and stuff.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
And then and so Darcy Darcy Clay thought it would
be a good idea to smoke weed and the TVNZ
courtyard ball.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
We were used to being a beef and with people.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
Doing that all the time, nobody give a ship and
then all of a sudden, Tevans and security are involved.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
It's in the paper.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
It was like it was the first night on here
and we've got some dude who's smoking weed and the TV.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Which I actually thought the time was that's not thoughtful
that he went outside the smoking.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
Yeah, yeah, very considerate.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
And you're still getting yeah.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
And the weird thing is now I'm in the same
bloody studio, sitting in the same spot, in that tiny
little one a studio, facing the same way.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
It's quite it's quite weird and looking at the same background,
it's exactly the same. It's it's weird time. It's so
weird that as it wasn't nineteen ninety seven. It's quite strange.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Are you're saying?
Speaker 5 (11:20):
There used to be like a massive like props department,
wardrobe department. You guys would have a credit card, you
were allowed to use it.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Well, I remember, you know, we've got too many details.
I suppose you can how you now, well.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
You can say, well, you know, I remember Mike moved
house once and he borrowed a TVNS event and those
days you just sign it off. So you turn up
and there they had vans, trucks, all sorts of stuff.
Mike stayed in t evnings event. I remember about two
weeks and like, have you still got that van?
Speaker 1 (11:44):
He's like, yeah, no, no, no, the van I borrowed once.
But then it was the car that I borrowed over
brought it. I'm like on Christmas Eve and then everyone's
wanting to go home, and so I like to sign
the thing. And I had it for a month, supposed
to have like a day that no one want to
check because they're this is the thing.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
It was crazy.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
You had the phone, you use the phone. You spent
an awful amount of money on the phone.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Is this is a recurring theme in Jury's life. He's
done that here it is in the as well.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
We got very told off about it.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
I'm on the top three list of that disc at TV.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
A lady friends three or four hours at the time,
you know.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
But in those days, as why, they had a TV
props department and a costume department, and so you could
go and just high if you wanted to go out
for the weekend to a to a fancy drisk go
down and get some period costume from fift scene.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Yes, costume fans may be familiar with that. Fist scene
was like just next door and connected to TV. Yeah,
it was owned by so if we had we wanted to,
if we were doing period like when we drissed up
as a.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
Period because Mike does very well, Captain Baines any any
kind of quite.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Well as a well to do rich gentlemen as well,
if it was a person that if there was a
period where we might really should be should be sort
of in the eighteen eighteen twenties. Yeah, yeah, that was
bush Bos What a great well done boys. We're the
(13:29):
tver either from New Zealand and there where Amo because
you're very impressed for the boys.
Speaker 4 (13:34):
What did you say you reckon they're going to be
super big?
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Well, I think that they're one of the most exciting
bods even seen since ACDC times. Yeah, well that's something. Hello, Yes,
it's Mike up in audio. Yes, we didn't quite get
the mic on the drums. Could the boys do the
thing again?
Speaker 5 (13:50):
No, they can't do another again?
Speaker 3 (13:53):
Yeah about it past for right? So when push push
play again next year.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
Beforehand, because you've got to get band members across from
Australia and stuff.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
Are you guys getting together? You going to do any rehearsals.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Or rehearsal last night? And because there's a very good
friend of who knows say hello to you, sharn' sh Scarborough.
That's one Scarborough who was a genius guitarist, absolutely one
of the most lovely guys that ever meet, incredibly talented
and fills in and plays. The other two will be playing.
(14:30):
He's basically stunt guitarist. So we can practice and get
ourselves up to speed and and then get a set
together if want to play it, and then the other
guys can come over and sort of like just like
a week or two before and we can just do
a quick little intensive Okay, just really call it. Sharn
wasn't here.
Speaker 5 (14:47):
We can't do it right, Okay, Yeah, Well you wouldn't
want to get I mean, as I said BEFO, you're
doing back to back to back to back.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
You're going to bender method four days.
Speaker 5 (14:54):
You wouldn't want to get together too close to that
because but a first night fever and then you have
a bly out on the first couple of nights. Now
you're going into the first gig on the back foot,
or is that what you want?
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Well, because because it's quite quite satisfying to sort of
get it right, you know. And and I think especially
because the last last time we played was with The Darkness,
who are great man but we're we're going to cut
us off in the middle of tripping and we played
at the Power Station. Luckily the promoter said, don't do that.
It's the number one song. Don't do that, and that
(15:26):
it was going to be the first of the three nights.
We played with them as well, and and they gave
us like about a I mean, I'm not maybe they
have good reasons for it. They're not here to defeend themselves,
but they gave us maybe a meta of space at
the front of the stage, which I'm a I'm a
bigger man, and it's like it's that's that wasn't any
good at all, and say that was a bit ship.
And so this time it's it's our shows, so at
(15:49):
rest their ship. Then it's it's gonna be a nice
and it could be, you know, it could be the
last time we get to play together, you know, for
whatever reasons. We've got families all, you know, we're all
live at the stage. Yes, alder men again like I say,
but but you know, it's like so. And also the
standard at the moment of New Zealand bands that are playing,
especially older bands have got back together, is really really good.
(16:10):
And we're very aware that, you know, we're not going
to be doing a two and a half hour super
groove thunderfest at the town Hall like they did with
massive sorts of guests and everything like that, which I
thought so on a Sunday night. They did that too.
It was really impressive. But but we are going to
try and make sure that it's memorable because how shows
we're memorable. Yeah, we did them, so I think I
think that's that's really part of it.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Are you do you have an open any bands playing
with you?
Speaker 1 (16:35):
We I assume we do. I'm not sure. That's sort
of part of the promoter's thing. And I will be
on a call with them today to try and find
that out right.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
And I'll let you know outdate the believe that's right.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
Yeah, are you and are you in charge? Are you
the are you the are you the leader?
Speaker 4 (16:55):
I've never thought about this question before, but I've never
I've we don't really have an in charge, okay.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
Because normally you got one one person that's in charge.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
What we do, what we have have And in the
past I've been sort of the one who really is
out there sort of selling, selling, selling the band, I guess,
being being the face of it. But it's been really
nice and nice to do that at the time rounds,
I think. So we're sort of sharing those those roles
as best we can. Yeah, like and and the other
(17:25):
guys enjoy doing it as well. So that's that's cool.
You know how.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
The pipespes are the best I've ever been that work,
no idea, that's Here's the is the healthy lifestyle you've
been living for the I.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Think it's early nights, early nights and just steering away anything. Yeah.
So yeah, so my voice has been than ever and
my ears I told you have. I told you so
about a year ago. I got my hearing check properly
at like a proper room. We were an hour and
a half bloody hearing your technology buddy thing you digger
(18:00):
jerious jerious crowd the man I've got. Apparently my ear
is as good as a twenty one year old what
woman do I can show that. I can I can
show a twenty.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
One year old woman really.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Twenty one old boy man, I suppose a twenty one
year old youngster. But yeah, but isn't that out of it?
Like that makes no sense at all.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
You spent your whole life in headphones and loud environment.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
I've been middle bands and dance music at nightclubs and
then when you know how loud, I have my headphones
on it the radio, Yeah loudy.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
These Roberts jeans are good jeans.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Well, I just I don't know what I think. Maybe
I've got my theories about why that is, but I
don't know. It's weird as well.
Speaker 4 (18:41):
Actually, I think I might not know share the theory
because I think it's quite an interesting theory.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
If you listen to you if what you what the
noise the you know, if you're listening to like any
other muscle, like a one hundred percent wrong on this,
but because I'm trying to figure out why it would be.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Though, yeah, that doesn't make sense.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
And then and so I figure, if you're listening to it,
then you're using it, you know. And then so it's
like if there's a say there's a drill or a
band saw. Yeah, I'm very well, I'll just get this
out of it, you know.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
Yeah, you're blocking it.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
Yeah, well I just I just be around it. I
just I just get away from it and all. Just
but it's still drums.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
Yeah, no headphone.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
I mean the fact that you know, for most of
your life you've been well, it's in your out of life.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
You've been wearing headphones.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
That's like my proclimate.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
And you crank up your bloody.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Headphones, get it. And so so I guess with the voice,
it's the voice. Just I'm a lot less worried about
I used to be really worried about it. Right, it
used to be really the song. And now it's just
like the less the less I think about it, then
the better it is sort of thing. And I've joined
(19:55):
the choir that's helped, the choir called the Stumming Choir
Thought among and and there's nice of us and we
get together in the church hall every Monday night. That's
what I do on Monday nights. Now you go to church,
to go to the church hall and pression in church hall,
ninety people and we sing Smashing Pumpkins, Nirvana, Queens of
(20:16):
Stone age Black Sabbath.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
Oh that's so good.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
And with us, cool man, anybody can join the reckon.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
They reckon the choir.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
Singing in a choir one of the best things you
can ever do for yourself for your brain.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Do you know one thing I think about. I think
it's I've really noticed it's something. You know, how we
are told that we are all Yeah, we've all got
lots of friends, and we are involved in so many
different communities online and stuff I don't know doesn't mean
you just mean you're online.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
He's looking at it, and it's.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
And it's a real it's a community thing because you
sort of go, you're sort of you. It's ninety people
mostly most of them you've got no idea. Most of
you wouldn't walk up and talk to in normally, but
then you're there and so so you do and sort
of you older people, you know, yeah, straight to people,
less straight people or just the whole the whole community
of people you know and you. But you're getting on
(21:09):
the when we did that show a couple of weeks ago,
you know, we're all sort of focused on the same thing.
We're all got the same yeah goo, good.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
Luck everyone swimming in the same direction.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
Yeah, but it's something I realized doing it, that it's
something that's like maybe twenty years ago, I suppose that's
something that one in three of your friends would be doing. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
but now I don't know anyone else.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
It's really missing.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
It's weird and it's and it's I think it's bad.
I think it's bad that it's missing.
Speaker 5 (21:33):
Yeah, I think it's better in like rural communities, you know,
you're always looking for those opportunities.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
It's way easier to get together.
Speaker 5 (21:39):
But certainly in the cities, you sit down, you're on
your screen, you're.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
Honest of all these great things are happening. You know,
well I'll be cooling, and you got to know that happens.
You completely miss it. Yeah, that thinks really weird.
Speaker 4 (21:50):
Well, that's a big thing of church. I think was
was it was a number of things for people. It
wasn't just about God. It was for some people was
it's just about the fact that they would meet people
who that's on a Sunday and you'd have a bit
of a chat.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
It's the yarn and the parking lot afterwards as much
as it is.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
And you have to and you have to sort of
you can't just rock and you're going to get cut the.
Speaker 4 (22:12):
Move though, whoever decided to bring music into the church,
because it's you know, it wasn't necessarily a thing someone
decided to do.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
That good thing about it was singeing songs like you know,
like when I was doing I was thinking the solo
for war Pegs at the show we did, and it's
like I'm lying in bed, you know, my son sleep
next to me, and I'm trying to remember the lyrics
and the lyrics are not they're not nice lyrics like hatred,
too many kid poisoning, the pretty much mind the Morning. Yes,
(22:41):
I've got that Politicians itself. And then and watching like
a bunch of like like and you know, we've got
like quite like I say, there's quite a few older
people in the choir, and we're all seeing these these
radiohead songs like the Panic, the Vomits, the one off.
There's the beautiful bit of a sopranos all go at
the end of gon Go, we hope you's so beautiful.
(23:08):
That sounds like that's very unchurched, that's quite unchurch quite yeah. Yeah,
And and I've only been since June July, maybe and
but it's been going for ten years. Let's call it.
It's t I, M M U and G G German
means something.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
And studio germinal as.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
T IMM, you and G.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
What does it mean?
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Having about having a hand just a long just a
German hand.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
That's why we keep her on hand. We just keep
a German on stuff. There's no other qualifications.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
German.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
That's be useful.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
Yeah, yeah, daily, thanks.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
For coming and and and good luck with the shows.
I'm looking forward be I'll be coming along ye, looking
forward to seeing that. And I'm sure lots of people
will be super excited about that.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
Love it now, we're gonna be, We're gonna be. We're
gonna be doing some giveaways and stuff on Hurricy Hiary
the stations, Cobba station for it.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
Yeah, that's us.
Speaker 4 (24:22):
Thank you very much for having me always always lovely
to have you and and your best of luck for everything,
compliments of the Yill Tide You Merry Christmas.
Oh yeah, no word of a lot, no word of
a life. Four people came up beating Metallica so as
his favorite museal song. Given that's the truth, maybe that
sounds what mean you fort on the pod which starts
the pod We're party. I thought we're pre potting.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
We're no preod We're going raw.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
This is the podcast.
Speaker 4 (00:24):
Wednesday, the third of December twenty twenty five. Mike Havock
joins us on the podcast to be here as well.
It's nice to have you on the podcast.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Thanks.
Speaker 4 (00:34):
We just having to chat to you on the radio
about what's happening next year.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
Are you and your.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
Friends from Push Push getting together full shows Auckland, Fangepra,
Hamilton and the Mount as well four days in a row?
Speaker 1 (00:50):
We I mean, I guess we'd like to do we'd
like to do more dates, but we can't because, like
like I mentioned on the radio earlier, the tow the
tarifle of over Australia. So we mean maybe trying. We're
maybe going to try and squeeze one or two more
shows if we can, and then we've got one booked
in August and christ Church. Did you think I'm not
supposed to say that.
Speaker 4 (01:09):
Yet I think in nineteen ninety five or nineteen ninety six,
did you think did you think that you'd be doing shows?
Speaker 1 (01:17):
Well, by that stage the band had broken up. Wow,
because yeah, So it was like nineteen ninety one as
when the album came out, So nineteen, I think nineteen
ninety was maybe nineteen when the out came out, but
nineteen ninety one, ninety ninety ones with Dripple came out. Yeah, yes,
the ninety ones when Tripple came out. Album came out,
ninety two, and then we probably toured for two or
(01:38):
three years maybe on that and then yeah, sort.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Of that was then there was enough.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
We had a little bit of a bit of a
sort of unceremonious split.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
And yeah, young men, young men, different idea, different passions,
you know, yep, and and we were in a separate
ways there and then sort of at one stage we
all hadn't been in the Plame room together for twenty years. Yeah,
and then like, yeah, we've been yeah, two of us,
all three of us, but all five of us back
together in one room for twenty years was just pretty insane.
Speaker 3 (02:07):
What was what was that like.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
A little bit But then once once I sort of
happened a lot of it was like, you know, it's
time to get over all this any issues, you know,
that was well truly past. And then and then it
was sort of like, within like five minutes, it was
just it was like being sixteen again. So it was like, yeah,
we're all I'm giving each other about not bringing oh yeah,
bringing leading in, he brought the wrong symbol stand or whatever,
(02:32):
you know, teaching each other way. And then you'd be
playing some songs that we were playing. You would one
that I thought i'd know the words, so I'd mess
them up. And then once that were I completely had
no idea where what was happening. In the next five seconds,
it was just come to you, you know, the Yeah, it
was yeah, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 5 (02:54):
What what what's it like been on tour for three
years of the you know, not only just the same duds,
but just being on tour in general.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Well, I mean, say on tour that was basically New Zealand,
lots of New Zealand, and then quite intense three and
a half months in Australia.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
Yeah, but and that sounds like you're in your early twenties.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
That was awesome. You just I wouldn't change it for
a second. It was and we you know, we we
had we were lucky enough to be doing it at
a time when when people were really starting to really
appreciate local music. Yeah, and and and you know, they
you put on a big live show, they really appreciate it,
and people bought tickets and people people came along, and
people bought the records and it was it was cool. Man.
(03:31):
They never made a dollar out of it, but we
got to do that for that that time, you know,
And when were in Australia, it was like, you know,
went and lived over there, sort of checked into some accommodation.
And then at one stage when Sydney, we're doing sometimes
like six shows a week, and some of those some
nights was three nights of three shows a night. What
are yeah? What yeah on Sydney and some you do
(03:53):
like a you do like a sort of suburban early
evening show in Sydney. Then you do one right in
the middle of Sydney and then another on the other
side of Sydney. Yeah, work across you remember roadies Yeah yeah, yeah,
I mean Lugger, you know, like it was all we're like,
you know, we're quote but that's say we sort of
charted over in Australia at that states. That's why we
(04:13):
went over there, and people saw that we had a
reputation that it was cool, and it was yeah, and
you never met you got sort of your perdiums, you know, Yeah, we'll.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
Just get straight across the bar.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
I imagine, well, yeah, well just just to feed yourself.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
Yeah, of course you've got love.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
I can imagine.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
I can imagine you as a young man trembling around Australiam.
Speaker 3 (04:35):
Big water pedems and there's.
Speaker 1 (04:36):
No big water padiems straight all in once and a
privy e van. It's like slogging it from place to place.
But it was cool, man. It was just like yeah,
at the time, it was just like this is such experiences.
Speaker 4 (04:48):
I remember seeing you on Hey, hey it's Saturday. This
is before I this is before I met you. And
I remember seeing three forty five live. It's the first
time I oversaw you. So firstly, I remember seeing the
song immediately the first time I heard trip and I went, wow,
that's a cool song. I would have been fourteen and
I heard it and I was like, that's a catchy.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
First time I heard it, it was like i'd heard
it before. I thought I've heard the song before, but
I hadn't.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
It's a catchy tune for you.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
Yeah, And then I remember you on three forty five
Live and you're chatting to Ricky Morris and Camela Barfield.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
And and you sort.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
Of took over the show actually, like I was like, Oh,
this guy's this guy's great. It's got real charisma. And
then and then the next time I saw you, I
mean it was on three forty five Live, not through
for us. Hey, Haye Saturday, Hey hate Saturday.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
Yeah Saday.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
First news yalle Mand to ever play live and ha
hate Saturday.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
And again you took over the show like you.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
I thought we were snotty little dicks actually because because
we had a bad sound trick. And then when we
came on and soon one of the guitars and remember
I didn't watch that for years afterwards because I thought
it was so bad. But then it was actually que good. Fine, Yes, well,
I recommend everybody should watch it.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
I watched it.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Molly Meldrum like the drummer.
Speaker 3 (05:59):
Oh really it was.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
I think part of the reason we got on the show. Yeah,
because he I reckon, I reckon they're the next day
c DC. I thought there was probably a little bit,
you know, it's high expectations. Well, and it's selling us
a little bit much. We're good, but.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
I'm sure bess many times? How did you guys, mate?
Speaker 1 (06:20):
I don't know at school, It's cool started out at
school and was just come.
Speaker 5 (06:26):
But no, sorry you and Jerry, I mean Jerry had
he was doing news on BF breaks right, that's right.
Speaker 1 (06:35):
He's a capable broadcaster. I thought, because.
Speaker 3 (06:40):
He's a capable broadcaster.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Yeah, well we were talking about that.
Speaker 5 (06:44):
That was the reason Jerry and never ended up getting
his degree, because he got the job reading to the.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Road Under that day. We had conversation and then.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
And then from there and then that was the end
of it.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Recently, is it nice and romantic that I took it
to the road Under for that conversation.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
I still want past.
Speaker 4 (07:00):
Whenever I see that rotunda, I do think of that
conversation and I remember it like it was yesterday.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
But we recently tried.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
To what do you think let's go to the rotunda?
Were on here?
Speaker 5 (07:10):
No?
Speaker 4 (07:10):
I knew that something. I you he had a real
spring and a step and I knew that. I knew
that something was on. I definitely knew that something's on.
But also the way that it all happened with the
head of tv Z at the time, Neil roberts I mean,
that would never happen now, Like the idea of the
head of TV and Z just being out at a
nightclub on K Road on a Saturday or Friday night
(07:32):
at the staircase.
Speaker 3 (07:33):
Partying away with Caliber was a caliber a lot of
other people. It's like, that would never happen.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
And when we did, when the Rotunda conversation happened, at
that stage, it was just going to be a one,
one hour, once a week show and then not maybe
a couple of weeks after that or maybe a month after.
Speaker 3 (07:54):
That, this is the Havoc show we're talking about show.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
It was originally Space and then Neil Robertson was the
head of tv that we're talking about. He said, Okay, hey,
look here's what's going to happen. Five nights live. What
what you guys? You guys come do five nights a
week live television.
Speaker 4 (08:13):
But it was almost like it's almost easy suited to
doing that than then the hour.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
I think I think so at the time, Yeah, yeah,
I think I grew into the hour. But then but
that was that was so much fun in.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
It, I mean, then your turn.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
We turned up to TV and Z and then all
of a sudden there's a suit, you know, like an
actual sorry suit a set and it's like and and
Mike's design or had a lot of to do with
how the set was and their meetings with like proper
set people, now like, what do you want this?
Speaker 3 (08:39):
It must I want a big chip.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Paddling pulled a tolf full of water, which is something
that something that we carried on for quote quite a
lot many years later. It's just asking for dumb ship
to see if they do it.
Speaker 4 (08:55):
They just I want to bar over in this corner.
I want trinkets over here. I want to look like
kind of a retro sort of lounge. And then all
of a sudden it came back and we walked into
the CEO one.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
It's like there it does. Here's all the stuff.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
And after every show someone he's out the pedaling. We
want to, we want to, we want to, we want
We're going to get bloody. What's your name? Renaen On,
we had Rena rowan On and we decided to concurse
some eggs and so parpetue sit up and they'll smugg lars.
(09:34):
What about when we trashed the sit when we played
Killing in the Name of We actually.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
Just thought it was a good idea to trust the
sit while the song was being played.
Speaker 1 (09:42):
So we're playing the video for at the end of
and then you guys should trash the set, okay.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
The producer said that, yeah, So we started doing it, like.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
What do you doing like and then we started like
he didn't you throw a couch at me or something
like that? And then I did a massive, big which
I can't believe. I break my collar bone something driving
at the end, and you remember looking your eyes that
you're so terrified as I was falling down on top
of just for the fire next and then the next next,
(10:13):
come back the next day.
Speaker 4 (10:14):
It's all rebuilt, but apparently not happy and people know
happy about it. There was a few people that were
not happy about that. And on the first night, I
think for our show, I think we had we play
Bill Rolston and.
Speaker 3 (10:28):
Angel Bofield Angel maybe Pam Cookery or.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
Something Angel and they painted cups and stuff.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
And then and so Darcy Darcy Clay thought it would
be a good idea to smoke weed and the TVNZ
courtyard ball.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
We were used to being a beef and with people.
Speaker 4 (10:40):
Doing that all the time, nobody give a ship and
then all of a sudden, Tevans and security are involved.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
It's in the paper.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
It was like it was the first night on here
and we've got some dude who's smoking weed and the TV.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Which I actually thought the time was that's not thoughtful
that he went outside the smoking.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
Yeah, yeah, very considerate.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
And you're still getting yeah.
Speaker 4 (11:00):
And the weird thing is now I'm in the same
bloody studio, sitting in the same spot, in that tiny
little one a studio, facing the same way.
Speaker 3 (11:08):
It's quite it's quite weird and looking at the same background,
it's exactly the same. It's it's weird time. It's so
weird that as it wasn't nineteen ninety seven. It's quite strange.
Speaker 2 (11:19):
Are you're saying?
Speaker 5 (11:20):
There used to be like a massive like props department,
wardrobe department. You guys would have a credit card, you
were allowed to use it.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
Well, I remember, you know, we've got too many details.
I suppose you can how you now, well.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
You can say, well, you know, I remember Mike moved
house once and he borrowed a TVNS event and those
days you just sign it off. So you turn up
and there they had vans, trucks, all sorts of stuff.
Mike stayed in t evnings event. I remember about two
weeks and like, have you still got that van?
Speaker 1 (11:44):
He's like, yeah, no, no, no, the van I borrowed once.
But then it was the car that I borrowed over
brought it. I'm like on Christmas Eve and then everyone's
wanting to go home, and so I like to sign
the thing. And I had it for a month, supposed
to have like a day that no one want to
check because they're this is the thing.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
It was crazy.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
You had the phone, you use the phone. You spent
an awful amount of money on the phone.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Is this is a recurring theme in Jury's life. He's
done that here it is in the as well.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
We got very told off about it.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
I'm on the top three list of that disc at TV.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
A lady friends three or four hours at the time,
you know.
Speaker 4 (12:31):
But in those days, as why, they had a TV
props department and a costume department, and so you could
go and just high if you wanted to go out
for the weekend to a to a fancy drisk go
down and get some period costume from fift scene.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Yes, costume fans may be familiar with that. Fist scene
was like just next door and connected to TV. Yeah,
it was owned by so if we had we wanted to,
if we were doing period like when we drissed up
as a.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
Period because Mike does very well, Captain Baines any any
kind of quite.
Speaker 1 (13:02):
Well as a well to do rich gentlemen as well,
if it was a person that if there was a
period where we might really should be should be sort
of in the eighteen eighteen twenties. Yeah, yeah, that was
bush Bos What a great well done boys. We're the
(13:29):
tver either from New Zealand and there where Amo because
you're very impressed for the boys.
Speaker 4 (13:34):
What did you say you reckon they're going to be
super big?
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Well, I think that they're one of the most exciting
bods even seen since ACDC times. Yeah, well that's something. Hello, Yes,
it's Mike up in audio. Yes, we didn't quite get
the mic on the drums. Could the boys do the
thing again?
Speaker 5 (13:50):
No, they can't do another again?
Speaker 3 (13:53):
Yeah about it past for right? So when push push
play again next year.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
Beforehand, because you've got to get band members across from
Australia and stuff.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
Are you guys getting together? You going to do any rehearsals.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
Or rehearsal last night? And because there's a very good
friend of who knows say hello to you, sharn' sh Scarborough.
That's one Scarborough who was a genius guitarist, absolutely one
of the most lovely guys that ever meet, incredibly talented
and fills in and plays. The other two will be playing.
(14:30):
He's basically stunt guitarist. So we can practice and get
ourselves up to speed and and then get a set
together if want to play it, and then the other
guys can come over and sort of like just like
a week or two before and we can just do
a quick little intensive Okay, just really call it. Sharn
wasn't here.
Speaker 5 (14:47):
We can't do it right, Okay, Yeah, Well you wouldn't
want to get I mean, as I said BEFO, you're
doing back to back to back to back.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
You're going to bender method four days.
Speaker 5 (14:54):
You wouldn't want to get together too close to that
because but a first night fever and then you have
a bly out on the first couple of nights. Now
you're going into the first gig on the back foot,
or is that what you want?
Speaker 1 (15:04):
Well, because because it's quite quite satisfying to sort of
get it right, you know. And and I think especially
because the last last time we played was with The Darkness,
who are great man but we're we're going to cut
us off in the middle of tripping and we played
at the Power Station. Luckily the promoter said, don't do that.
It's the number one song. Don't do that, and that
(15:26):
it was going to be the first of the three nights.
We played with them as well, and and they gave
us like about a I mean, I'm not maybe they
have good reasons for it. They're not here to defeend themselves,
but they gave us maybe a meta of space at
the front of the stage, which I'm a I'm a
bigger man, and it's like it's that's that wasn't any
good at all, and say that was a bit ship.
And so this time it's it's our shows, so at
(15:49):
rest their ship. Then it's it's gonna be a nice
and it could be, you know, it could be the
last time we get to play together, you know, for
whatever reasons. We've got families all, you know, we're all
live at the stage. Yes, alder men again like I say,
but but you know, it's like so. And also the
standard at the moment of New Zealand bands that are playing,
especially older bands have got back together, is really really good.
(16:10):
And we're very aware that, you know, we're not going
to be doing a two and a half hour super
groove thunderfest at the town Hall like they did with
massive sorts of guests and everything like that, which I
thought so on a Sunday night. They did that too.
It was really impressive. But but we are going to
try and make sure that it's memorable because how shows
we're memorable. Yeah, we did them, so I think I
think that's that's really part of it.
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Are you do you have an open any bands playing
with you?
Speaker 1 (16:35):
We I assume we do. I'm not sure. That's sort
of part of the promoter's thing. And I will be
on a call with them today to try and find
that out right.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
And I'll let you know outdate the believe that's right.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
Yeah, are you and are you in charge? Are you
the are you the are you the leader?
Speaker 4 (16:55):
I've never thought about this question before, but I've never
I've we don't really have an in charge, okay.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
Because normally you got one one person that's in charge.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
What we do, what we have have And in the
past I've been sort of the one who really is
out there sort of selling, selling, selling the band, I guess,
being being the face of it. But it's been really
nice and nice to do that at the time rounds,
I think. So we're sort of sharing those those roles
as best we can. Yeah, like and and the other
(17:25):
guys enjoy doing it as well. So that's that's cool.
You know how.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
The pipespes are the best I've ever been that work,
no idea, that's Here's the is the healthy lifestyle you've
been living for the I.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Think it's early nights, early nights and just steering away anything. Yeah.
So yeah, so my voice has been than ever and
my ears I told you have. I told you so
about a year ago. I got my hearing check properly
at like a proper room. We were an hour and
a half bloody hearing your technology buddy thing you digger
(18:00):
jerious jerious crowd the man I've got. Apparently my ear
is as good as a twenty one year old what
woman do I can show that. I can I can
show a twenty.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
One year old woman really.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Twenty one old boy man, I suppose a twenty one
year old youngster. But yeah, but isn't that out of it?
Like that makes no sense at all.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
You spent your whole life in headphones and loud environment.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
I've been middle bands and dance music at nightclubs and
then when you know how loud, I have my headphones
on it the radio, Yeah loudy.
Speaker 3 (18:33):
These Roberts jeans are good jeans.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
Well, I just I don't know what I think. Maybe
I've got my theories about why that is, but I
don't know. It's weird as well.
Speaker 4 (18:41):
Actually, I think I might not know share the theory
because I think it's quite an interesting theory.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
If you listen to you if what you what the
noise the you know, if you're listening to like any
other muscle, like a one hundred percent wrong on this,
but because I'm trying to figure out why it would be.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Though, yeah, that doesn't make sense.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
And then and so I figure, if you're listening to it,
then you're using it, you know. And then so it's
like if there's a say there's a drill or a
band saw. Yeah, I'm very well, I'll just get this
out of it, you know.
Speaker 3 (19:11):
Yeah, you're blocking it.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
Yeah, well I just I just be around it. I
just I just get away from it and all. Just
but it's still drums.
Speaker 3 (19:22):
Yeah, no headphone.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
I mean the fact that you know, for most of
your life you've been well, it's in your out of life.
Speaker 3 (19:28):
You've been wearing headphones.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
That's like my proclimate.
Speaker 3 (19:32):
And you crank up your bloody.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Headphones, get it. And so so I guess with the voice,
it's the voice. Just I'm a lot less worried about
I used to be really worried about it. Right, it
used to be really the song. And now it's just
like the less the less I think about it, then
the better it is sort of thing. And I've joined
(19:55):
the choir that's helped, the choir called the Stumming Choir
Thought among and and there's nice of us and we
get together in the church hall every Monday night. That's
what I do on Monday nights. Now you go to church,
to go to the church hall and pression in church hall,
ninety people and we sing Smashing Pumpkins, Nirvana, Queens of
(20:16):
Stone age Black Sabbath.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
Oh that's so good.
Speaker 1 (20:19):
And with us, cool man, anybody can join the reckon.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
They reckon the choir.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
Singing in a choir one of the best things you
can ever do for yourself for your brain.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Do you know one thing I think about. I think
it's I've really noticed it's something. You know, how we
are told that we are all Yeah, we've all got
lots of friends, and we are involved in so many
different communities online and stuff I don't know doesn't mean
you just mean you're online.
Speaker 2 (20:45):
He's looking at it, and it's.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
And it's a real it's a community thing because you
sort of go, you're sort of you. It's ninety people
mostly most of them you've got no idea. Most of
you wouldn't walk up and talk to in normally, but
then you're there and so so you do and sort
of you older people, you know, yeah, straight to people,
less straight people or just the whole the whole community
of people you know and you. But you're getting on
(21:09):
the when we did that show a couple of weeks ago,
you know, we're all sort of focused on the same thing.
We're all got the same yeah goo, good.
Speaker 3 (21:14):
Luck everyone swimming in the same direction.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
Yeah, but it's something I realized doing it, that it's
something that's like maybe twenty years ago, I suppose that's
something that one in three of your friends would be doing. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
but now I don't know anyone else.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
It's really missing.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
It's weird and it's and it's I think it's bad.
I think it's bad that it's missing.
Speaker 5 (21:33):
Yeah, I think it's better in like rural communities, you know,
you're always looking for those opportunities.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
It's way easier to get together.
Speaker 5 (21:39):
But certainly in the cities, you sit down, you're on
your screen, you're.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
Honest of all these great things are happening. You know,
well I'll be cooling, and you got to know that happens.
You completely miss it. Yeah, that thinks really weird.
Speaker 4 (21:50):
Well, that's a big thing of church. I think was
was it was a number of things for people. It
wasn't just about God. It was for some people was
it's just about the fact that they would meet people
who that's on a Sunday and you'd have a bit
of a chat.
Speaker 2 (22:02):
It's the yarn and the parking lot afterwards as much
as it is.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
And you have to and you have to sort of
you can't just rock and you're going to get cut the.
Speaker 4 (22:12):
Move though, whoever decided to bring music into the church,
because it's you know, it wasn't necessarily a thing someone
decided to do.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
That good thing about it was singeing songs like you know,
like when I was doing I was thinking the solo
for war Pegs at the show we did, and it's
like I'm lying in bed, you know, my son sleep
next to me, and I'm trying to remember the lyrics
and the lyrics are not they're not nice lyrics like hatred,
too many kid poisoning, the pretty much mind the Morning. Yes,
(22:41):
I've got that Politicians itself. And then and watching like
a bunch of like like and you know, we've got
like quite like I say, there's quite a few older
people in the choir, and we're all seeing these these
radiohead songs like the Panic, the Vomits, the one off.
There's the beautiful bit of a sopranos all go at
the end of gon Go, we hope you's so beautiful.
(23:08):
That sounds like that's very unchurched, that's quite unchurch quite yeah. Yeah,
And and I've only been since June July, maybe and
but it's been going for ten years. Let's call it.
It's t I, M M U and G G German
means something.
Speaker 2 (23:28):
And studio germinal as.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
T IMM, you and G.
Speaker 2 (23:36):
What does it mean?
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Having about having a hand just a long just a
German hand.
Speaker 2 (23:48):
That's why we keep her on hand. We just keep
a German on stuff. There's no other qualifications.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
German.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
That's be useful.
Speaker 2 (23:56):
Yeah, yeah, daily, thanks.
Speaker 4 (24:00):
For coming and and and good luck with the shows.
I'm looking forward be I'll be coming along ye, looking
forward to seeing that. And I'm sure lots of people
will be super excited about that.
Speaker 1 (24:12):
Love it now, we're gonna be, We're gonna be. We're
gonna be doing some giveaways and stuff on Hurricy Hiary
the stations, Cobba station for it.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
Yeah, that's us.
Speaker 4 (24:22):
Thank you very much for having me always always lovely
to have you and and your best of luck for everything,
compliments of the Yill Tide You Merry Christmas.
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