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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Welcome along to the Unnamed Podcast Wednesday, the thirteenth of
November twenty twenty four. Mas, she's here pushing the buttons.
Executive produder producer Rooters in attendance, Morning, Yeah, Morning, and
Sky Sport presenter, commentator, former professional rugby player, Age Group
(00:25):
provincial cricketer Joey wa player agent, player agent, Joey Wheeler.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Do you want to become myself a talent manager?
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Player agent? Yeah, player agent, A man who's gone through
life with the same initials as me. Yeah, Yes, you're me.
We've got the same initials. We know what it feels
like to have the initials j W.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Jerry and Joey.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
I saw you've got a suitcase out here with your
initials on it this morning.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Joey. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Assume is that one of your eggs playing Day's kitbags?
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Well, yeah, you came in this morning and you said, oh,
is that one of from the Hunters or the Malory
or Blacks. No, not the Malory, all Blacks because the Maoris.
We just got numbered kit.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Okay, just your number kit.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Yeah, you're you're number six, so your kit has number
six on it. Initials.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
No, that's too personalized. They can't use it for the
boys next year.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
And your trek seats back and it feels like me
being belittered in like you're eleven or something like that.
But when I had to retire, when was that twenty
twenty one? I when did some work for the Highlanders
starting with Halo and it's the staff bag, last lot
of kit.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Hey, tell me what's it like playing for the Maori
or Blacks, because it's quite a unique team. Yes, in
the world, like great history, great tradition. They beat some beaten,
some amazing international sides. So when you get selected for
the Maloris, what what does that mean? And what's the
(02:02):
what's the prep?
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Like the prep it was all about nailing my Pippi
and for a guy that wasn't brought up understanding his
Maldi heritage, it was really really intimidating, terrifying. And I
think it was twenty thirteen and that the rules changed
around eligibility for that team. So you used to have
(02:24):
to have a sixteenth then it just went to moldy.
You just had to be moldy. So that's when a
lot of I suppose pealskin moldies became eligible. So yeah,
I was terrified. I was terrified going into that environment,
having you stand up and in front of some of
the moldy all black grats like Pretty whepoo lem miss
(02:46):
him and the like, having to recite your piba nailed it.
The other intimidating part is learning the Maori all black
haka timatanga and how they do it as you come
up and threw. So everyone goes up in front of
the older statesman, the senior player. So I think that
year it was obviously pretty Liam and oh heck Elliott
(03:11):
sat at the front, and we'd come up in threes
and Pretty would lead and you'd have to It'll be
the first bit of the hocker that you'd have to do.
And if you weren't passionate enough, you weren't loud enough,
you weren't the actions weren't defined enough, you'd just go
no back of line and then next group will come up,
and he just kept doing it through the whole hockey.
(03:32):
That's how you got good at it. Yeah wow, yeah,
And that was as intimidating as anything. My first time
we were North North America, we went to and poor
old Liam Squire was in the exact same position as me.
First tour first time Maldi or Blacks and he had
to go do a group of them had to go
do some media on must have been the Tuesday or
(03:53):
the Wednesday, one of those days, and it was like
esp in, quite a big news station, and they made
the boy do the we've only had two days of
practice and Liam not the most coordinated bloke, he's only
had two days of practicing. The harker to do it
on live TV.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Well, yeah, that's a whole nother level of stuff though,
because you know, you're worried about how you're going to
perform as a player exactly, but then when you're worried
about tea hunger. Yeah, I imagine that's quite that's quite intimidating. Yeah, yeah,
who did you guys? So who did you play against
when you played for the Maldish Canada?
Speaker 2 (04:33):
We play We played the British and Irish lines in
twenty seven.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Did you guys? Did you guys beat them?
Speaker 2 (04:40):
No? No, it was it was the previous two and
five where they beat them. I think it was napier.
Maybe we played them in rot room and we didn't
play well. Oh we had a bad night at the office, right, Yeah,
hazy little bit of rain really played into their hands.
All right, it's disappointing you play Mouldi rugby, you know,
(05:03):
yeah yeah, beat the ship out of us.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
Really oh okay, yeah those big units.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
But now awesome experience, hell of a team, so much tradition. Yeah,
and a lot of fun. You have a lot of fun.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Right yeah, yeah, yeah, I've always I've always been. I
don't know, it's just such a great record. Like it's
a crazily good record.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Teams don't want to play the Malden they yeah, they
really don't because of the fear of Jesus. Guys, they'll
give us a real run for our money.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Yeah, it was a there's a there's a passion.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
That's a different level of pression. It's a different connection
because you are bound by blood. You know, you're all Moldy.
You've got that in common, which is far out. It's
pretty special.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
Yeah yeah, yeah, later on we should take a break
and come back in a second. We haven't been taking breaks.
You noticed that.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
Message them in the done a good job.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
That's all right, you know, I get all that, mate.
I don't like to complain, you know, me.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Up good to have a serotonin back today.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
The serotonin is actually not coming back.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
As I'm like, come back, and then hey, looks like
it's come back.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
I think I'll take that as a compliment. But I
still feel a little bit behind the eight ball. I'm
still waiting for that email from Pixie Campbell saying I
had a couple of days off, butod luck, I haven't
got that one yet. Good luck with that, mate, A
couple of days and low maybe, I know, good luck?
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Good luck with that?
Speaker 3 (06:30):
Get that a couple of sick days tomorrow for me? Boys,
I think, actually, good with good luck, we're there. Yeah,
that'll get anyway.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
We're taking a break, yeah, right, so later on we're
going to hit the nets. I know you're hoping for
a little bit of rain, and it looks like there's
a little bit of drizzle out there, but that's not
going to stop us from having the nets.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
You know, No, I don't like to you know me, boys,
I take my health and safety very seriously and I
don't like to about play any cricket in the wet.
So unfortunately, if there is rain coming and we're.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Tough on the run up, though, Jerry, what are we
going to do with that? If it is raining I've
got I've got the yips as it is.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
And we'll work something through. I mean, either normally, as
I said, we've got to start with start with the basics.
I think we will start with your run up and
then we'll work through to just some strategies around around
how you're approaching each other and making sure that you're
thinking about putting the ball in the right direction. And basically,
I think your job, Joey, you know, from my perspective,
(07:28):
coaching you in this situation, and I've taken on the
role of you haven't asked me to coach you, but
I've decided that I'm going to do it anyway.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
I'd say it it's more of a mental ship.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
And that's kind of you. But I think as a
person of your size and stature, I think it's important
that you dictate the over I think you need to.
You need to show the batsman whose boss from ball one?
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Yeah, so bully the pitch.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Yeah, my strategy if I were if I were you,
I would say I just push them back and this crease.
Just pushing back with the first couple of deliveries and
maybe pushing back with three, maybe even a little bit
of chin music the over now and then I think
probably ball four, that's the ball that you look to
get him out with just a.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Little bit stump out, a little fuller, maybe just shaping away.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
A fractions and finally you think I hear something, I
can finally something in my half and then out.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
That reminds me O went out to Lincoln I think
in about twenty sixteen twenty seventeen when I was playing
all Right cricket and that we had to plan on
an auto turf because it's been running overnight and we
were taking on Lincoln and for some reason, for whatever reason,
Henry Shipley was playing for them there, and all I'll
say is he had no issues with bowling sixteen year old,
(08:35):
some half trackers for over after over after over, and look,
I'm still it over it, you know, eight years old.
So I'm actually having some flashbacks from that because he's
a simody built man to you. I think he's about
I think he's six ' five.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
A little bit shorter a good time.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
I remember thinking at the back of the you know,
he looked big at the back of us.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Would you try player a hook shot at all or
you just get out of the way.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
I was getting out of everything. Yeah, everything, even as
a tall man myself eyes, that's the right.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
When you're on a full strip, it's a little bit
different because you know you can get underneath them, a
little bit different when you're playing in a net, because
you might get one on the on the bit that
goes from the grass to that and that fizzles at you.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
Also, these big park next down here, they've got people
with lighters on them every second night, playing on the
day five and.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Fireworks still recovering from from November five. But interestingly, MESHI,
you've chosen two seeds here, and I've got to say
the two seeds that you've chosen, I say, are hoping
a brand new two piece red King. You've chosen this
white thing here, which is like a pie basically it's
so soft. And this other four piece here, which has
(09:41):
got a nasty little seam on that I got to say,
but nasty. Yeah, that thing looks like it might reverse. Yeah,
I think that one might reverse. You reckon that.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
That was an old ball of yours.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Yeah, it was. I bought a dozen Indian four pieces
in two thousand and six, six or something, because when
I built a cricket need at my house and I thought,
I need to I need to get some ball for it,
and so I went online and yeah, bought. I bought
a dozen of these things for like they're like ten
bucks each or something, and they just basically they're like rocks,
(10:11):
so they kill you back. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
Have you heard the rumor that once Joe gets the
ball in his hand, the hard ball, he gets red
missed in his eyes, kind of like someone like.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Alan Donald or Neil Wagner.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
I'm not surprised. I've got a line heart like gonna
be one of those. Yeah, there's gonna be one of
those situations where you just keepheading me with.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
The one more, one more, one more. That's always the thing,
isn't it. Club cricket. You always know that this guy's
going to steam and for five or four and then
he's going to run out of pace. But a guy
that just keeps coming and coming and coming, and that's
no fun. I used to hate New Sessions as a
crooked out like it was. I just hated it because
(10:53):
bowlers just feel twenty clicks quicker.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Yeah, well it's because we're over stepping by about a meter.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
Yeah, And I think I was like, make you better
as a batsman. Well you're over stepping by good point
reaction time.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Yeah, it was easy when you're out in the middle.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
I always thought that if you're ever in a team
where you had good past bowlers in your team that
you faced on the nets, that's what it was always
good because it was hell at practice. It was no fun.
But then on a Saturday you get out there and
these doubly doublers had come in and has smashed them
around the place. It's beautiful, it's good, it's good for you.
Look at those Australian teams and stuff, and all our
(11:29):
best teams as well have had a couple of guys
with a bit of pace in them, because if you've
got guys at this bowl military medium all the time,
it's not used to it.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
Have we thought about fellas like what happens if I
managed to get ahold of a couple here and that's likely,
And what happens if I get a hold of a
couple and then all of sudden care and has given
me the caller?
Speaker 2 (11:46):
Well that there's a chart. You've never played a game
of rugby in your life.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
Well, no, that's true. I also played a game rugby.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
And I don't think I have Have you ever played rugby?
I don't think I've ever played a game of rugby.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
Well, look, if it comes to it and we have
to get you and the shield and I have to
just smash you o the tackle, then rugby side, it's.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Gonna know nobody's going. But don't don't forget as well, Meshy.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
You're you're a young man and you're mid twenties, and
what is it for a batsman? Is it late twenties
to early thirties is sort of when you start heading
your prime thirty two two? So yours are still good
to come, Meshy.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
Your eyesight will be perfect, Jesus will it? Body is
just a broken mess, so you should be You should
be spanking.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
Me all over the park?
Speaker 3 (12:29):
How is the body actually?
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Ship?
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Is it really?
Speaker 3 (12:31):
Is it real?
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Poor fucker? Mate?
Speaker 2 (12:34):
Two shoulder operations of surgery and nick surgery, the need
to have need to have two ankles done, do mate,
or rugby? And an actual wreck?
Speaker 3 (12:44):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Thirty seven going on sixty seven?
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Yeah, getting out of bed in the morning. Tough to practices.
That's a problem rugby. It's not for games, are you bloody?
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Constant practicing Jamie Joseph's got a lot to answer for.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
I wonder about that sometimes you must have theories on that,
like whether or not there's actually too much, whether that's
the thing that's taking in out of you.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
Well, I know in Japan, like I did five seasons
up there, two of them were back to back, were
super ugby. So I just played all year round, which
was awesome. Then we went Japan changed their season timing,
so went full time Japan. But their pre season they
don't start until December this season, but we would be
up there in pre season middle of September, so and
(13:31):
they were, oh, mate, and you'll be playing a lot
of preseason games before you even rip into the proper season.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
Yeah. Tough work. Yeah, so much training. Yeah, I heard
that Japanese is love training. It's mainly training and then
a game. But it's actually rugby is really about training
and not really about the actual game exactly. That's kind
of the Japanese way though, Japanese.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
And do it over and over and over and over
and over again, you'll get better.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
At it all, right. Yeah. Yeah, I think I remember
Beaver telling me that was when he was up there,
it was like, this is I didn't really listen to him,
but he's like, this is this is how we should
do it. We should try and change this up, we
should change this.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
So we did. At our team, we had a coach
for three years and we did this. I could tell
you for the three years he was in charge, we
did the same thing Monday to Saturday for all three years,
same training, same drills every day.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
Wow, how loong is the Japanese season fifteen round robin games?
Speaker 1 (14:31):
Fifteen?
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Yeah? Two guys, two buys in there? Yeah, it's actually
that's called the semi final.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Decent size season.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Yeah, fifteen. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Is it possible just to play in Japan and not
play anywhere else?
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Yeah? Right, yeah, you just played. Yeah, those boys, the
big the big dogs over there, will be the highest
earning reggay players in the world, now do you Yeah?
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Right, quite a bit more than France.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Ye. Interesting, the biggest market in the world Japan for
record players.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
Now yeah, is that off the back of just the corporations?
Are there owned by corporations or something? Because you work
for you play for Toyota and yes stuff.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
You're employed by.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Panasonic or Sun Tour h Suntory. So what does Sun
toy Do Food and beverage company okay, one of the
biggest privately owned food and beverage companies in the world right,
owned by two families, the Saji family and the Tory family.
So they own jim Beam. Gives you a bit of
an idea of their wealth. Yeah, jim Bean worldwide.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
They bought it for around twenty billion US dollars or
something sixteen billion NEWIST dollars, wow, ten billion in cash.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Yeah, it's crazy. It's a crazy amount of wealth in Japan.
But you don't see it. No, it's not quite like
the States or Europe where you really sit. I mean
the States, you really see the wealth there. I mean
there's a lot, there's more wealth.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
And well Tokyo because it's just so jam packed, right,
and they're probably living in the fortieth story of an
unbelievable part looking over Tokyo, you know, but you just
don't see it because the forty bloody story is high up.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Yeah, but you don't see the flesh cars driving around.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
You see those lovely beautiful crowns that are obviously going
a driver, yeah, or the old school crowd Texis, the
black taxis Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Yeah, Yeah, I think there's other ways. Weird rules in
Japan out there around cars. So for every if you
buy a car, you also have to have a car
park direct. You can't buy a car without without without
a car park. That's quite good, that makes sense. Yeah,
well there's no car parks in Tokyo. I mean you
can't park on the side of the road or anything
(16:37):
like that. As a result, there's not actually that much
traffic for a city of that size.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
And they told you the baggery to get into the city.
So if you drive into the city on the toll roads,
you're getting charged the fortune. Oh yeah, whereas if you
jump on the public transport cheapest chips.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
It makes sense.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Yeah. I was up there at the beginning of the
year driving around in the snow, and they they love
a snow tire.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Man.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
I was amazed in New Zealand. In New Zealand, in
South Island snows, everyone just goes completely insane. This car
is sliding off into banks and all sorts of In Japan, no, no,
you just keep driving and they've all got snow tires
and you just you can. You can drive in these
snow tires, no chains and you're cruising around. It's absolutely sensational. Yeah,
it's quite cool. Everyone. You've got to have you have
(17:26):
to have legally, you have to have snow tires. They
go up north, Yeah, in the mountain. We were in
nagin and you've got to in there, you Yeah, you
have to have snow tires.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
So snow tire is it just like a big full
drive tire.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
It's a foil drive tire that's softer, right, So they
don't they don't get hard when they get cold. That's
part of the problem is that the tire hardens up
and then it slides, whereas these are much These are
softer and and they they The theory I think is
that they just grip the snow a little bit better
ice or snow. But you're driving like sixty or seventy
(18:03):
along these completely snow covered roads, like full snow cover, no,
like not not tracks, and you can hardly see where
you're going. Just everyone's faring along at eighty. Some people
are like driving one hundred. It's crazy. It's crazy drinking
a say here as you.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Go, that's one thing over there. You're not allowed zero tolerant.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Yeah, I didn't know that, didn't you. No? Oh lord,
I was told it's not my fault. I was ignorant.
I was told by someone that that's all good, it
turns out. And then I was telling the kids, you know,
as I'm driving along with them, to say he and
post skiing. And I said to the kids, and they
were like, should you be doing I don't worry about it, kids.
(18:46):
Are you allowed to do it over here? It's different rules,
you know, this is the thing around the world, different rules.
And I mean I was I wasn't drunk. I was
just having and is it a big can big care?
That was a big one, yeah, five hundred mother, and
with the with the top that comes off from them, yeah,
number and the phone and and then you said, have
you checked that rule? And I said, I said no,
(19:08):
I'm sure someone said it's all good here and so
she googled it and it's like you can go to
prison for driving as I'm driving. I'm like.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
The great thing about the Japanese they just they follow
the rules to the leather of the law. You could
go buy a beer from a like a like like
a vending machine over there, No kids buy them.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
You imagine that. New Zealand. Yeah, and the dirry you
can buy the daries from the vending They don't even think, oh, no,
you've got to be You've got to be twenty or eighteen,
whatever it is over there. Apparently, though, if you went
and bought, if you were a cat and you're at
the vending machine buying darries and another adult saw you
do it, apparently they give you a good telling off.
(19:48):
Someone someone told.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Me old school.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Yeah they got around the ears. Yeah, yeah, it's an interesting,
interesting way of doing it. But I love that you know,
by your by your assay, he's in the get on
the bullet train drinking. There's no problem as long as
you want annoying anyone else, that fine with that.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
My first trip over there, my first away trip. It's
sunt where he hadn't gone too good the season before,
so we had heaps of away games down and Orsucker
and George Smith had just come back to the to
the team from having a stint in France, and we
backed Titsu, which is a Warsucker based team on our
first game, last minute, and over there, you drive the
(20:28):
you go back on that night of the game because
there's just so many shenkansins that you can get on
to get back to Tokyo, get on the Shankhansen. Before
we're hitting there, he goes, lads, convenience store, we're all
buying beers. I was like, all right, first game for me.
I was like, oh Jesus, I want to be doing
this no alcohol company. We've got to be helping the
(20:49):
company and getting the boys all tight. So we go
on there, myself of course, on George Smith and he
goes gets a what do you call it, bloody bags
and he it's a whole row of premium molts, suntory
premium malts, just tips it into the into his bags
with them as Joe, you do the same. Of course,
you do the same. We walk on the with our bag,
(21:09):
rolling our bag, not two bags of boody beers and
high balls, spin the seats around, so you've got three
faces in each way and we're just right on.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
But real civilized drink your power in the person.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
The cadences high tempo, and you know the Japanese go
bright red straight away. One beer in and they're bright red.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
Yeah, they don't not not great like you know drinkers,
interns of volume, but they.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
They don't mind getting shipped faced.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
No, it's fine. You're allowed to get absolutely as long
as you're not causing any problems exactly.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
And I think that's great. Yeah, fall asleep at the
bar because you're too hammered.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
Yeah, it's a lot of good.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
It's fine.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
It's a weird one, the rule that we have over
here where you can't be drunk, Like, if you're drunk,
it's it's a problem all of a sudden. But if
you're at a bar and you're asleep, what is You
don't have any damage to me at that point. You're
just asleep. What's the difference. And we've got a thing
around you know, you're not allowed to be drunk. It's wrong,
but some one person's one person's drunk is another person.
(22:13):
I could be reasonably drunk, and people don't know that
I'm necessarily drunk. Yes, you know, some people show up
better than others and or less than others. And over
there they've got a thing of like it's not for
me to tell you what you do. You know, as
long as you're not upsetting anyone else, And they are
very strict on that though. You can't be annoying other people.
As soon as you become an annoyance, you can pass off.
(22:35):
They'll come down quite hard. They'll come down super hard
on you much.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
I think they've got that. I think they've got that right.
Europeans but like that too.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
Are they.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
Yeah, you go to Germany and stuff like that, they're
like failure boots.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Let the dogs out, stay in check.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Yeah yeah, whereas we've got a we've got a different
sort of thing over here. We've got a careful if
you let the dogs out, everybody. Yeah, no, it's it's
I don't even know how to explain it, but it's
just a different thing, it is. All right, Okay, let's
get down to the nets. Yes, that's hard and heavy, Boots. Thanks,
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it's been a lot of fun.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Thanks, mate, really enjoyed it.
Welcome along to the Unnamed Podcast Wednesday, the thirteenth of
November twenty twenty four. Mas, she's here pushing the buttons.
Executive produder producer Rooters in attendance, Morning, Yeah, Morning, and
Sky Sport presenter, commentator, former professional rugby player, Age Group
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provincial cricketer Joey wa player agent, player agent, Joey Wheeler.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Do you want to become myself a talent manager?
Speaker 1 (00:34):
Player agent? Yeah, player agent, A man who's gone through
life with the same initials as me. Yeah, Yes, you're me.
We've got the same initials. We know what it feels
like to have the initials j W.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Jerry and Joey.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
That's right.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
I saw you've got a suitcase out here with your
initials on it this morning.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
Joey. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Assume is that one of your eggs playing Day's kitbags?
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Well, yeah, you came in this morning and you said, oh,
is that one of from the Hunters or the Malory
or Blacks. No, not the Malory, all Blacks because the Maoris.
We just got numbered kit.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
Okay, just your number kit.
Speaker 2 (01:10):
Yeah, you're you're number six, so your kit has number
six on it. Initials.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
No, that's too personalized. They can't use it for the
boys next year.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
And your trek seats back and it feels like me
being belittered in like you're eleven or something like that.
But when I had to retire, when was that twenty
twenty one? I when did some work for the Highlanders
starting with Halo and it's the staff bag, last lot
of kit.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
Hey, tell me what's it like playing for the Maori
or Blacks, because it's quite a unique team. Yes, in
the world, like great history, great tradition. They beat some beaten,
some amazing international sides. So when you get selected for
the Maloris, what what does that mean? And what's the
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what's the prep?
Speaker 2 (02:03):
Like the prep it was all about nailing my Pippi
and for a guy that wasn't brought up understanding his
Maldi heritage, it was really really intimidating, terrifying. And I
think it was twenty thirteen and that the rules changed
around eligibility for that team. So you used to have
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to have a sixteenth then it just went to moldy.
You just had to be moldy. So that's when a
lot of I suppose pealskin moldies became eligible. So yeah,
I was terrified. I was terrified going into that environment,
having you stand up and in front of some of
the moldy all black grats like Pretty whepoo lem miss
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him and the like, having to recite your piba nailed it.
The other intimidating part is learning the Maori all black
haka timatanga and how they do it as you come
up and threw. So everyone goes up in front of
the older statesman, the senior player. So I think that
year it was obviously pretty Liam and oh heck Elliott
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sat at the front, and we'd come up in threes
and Pretty would lead and you'd have to It'll be
the first bit of the hocker that you'd have to do.
And if you weren't passionate enough, you weren't loud enough,
you weren't the actions weren't defined enough, you'd just go
no back of line and then next group will come up,
and he just kept doing it through the whole hockey.
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That's how you got good at it. Yeah wow, yeah,
And that was as intimidating as anything. My first time
we were North North America, we went to and poor
old Liam Squire was in the exact same position as me.
First tour first time Maldi or Blacks and he had
to go do a group of them had to go
do some media on must have been the Tuesday or
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the Wednesday, one of those days, and it was like
esp in, quite a big news station, and they made
the boy do the we've only had two days of
practice and Liam not the most coordinated bloke, he's only
had two days of practicing. The harker to do it
on live TV.
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Well, yeah, that's a whole nother level of stuff though,
because you know, you're worried about how you're going to
perform as a player exactly, but then when you're worried
about tea hunger. Yeah, I imagine that's quite that's quite intimidating. Yeah, yeah,
who did you guys? So who did you play against
when you played for the Maldish Canada?
Speaker 2 (04:33):
We play We played the British and Irish lines in
twenty seven.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Did you guys? Did you guys beat them?
Speaker 2 (04:40):
No? No, it was it was the previous two and
five where they beat them. I think it was napier.
Maybe we played them in rot room and we didn't
play well. Oh we had a bad night at the office, right, Yeah,
hazy little bit of rain really played into their hands.
All right, it's disappointing you play Mouldi rugby, you know,
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yeah yeah, beat the ship out of us.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
Really oh okay, yeah those big units.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
But now awesome experience, hell of a team, so much tradition. Yeah,
and a lot of fun. You have a lot of fun.
Speaker 1 (05:15):
Right yeah, yeah, yeah, I've always I've always been. I
don't know, it's just such a great record. Like it's
a crazily good record.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Teams don't want to play the Malden they yeah, they
really don't because of the fear of Jesus. Guys, they'll
give us a real run for our money.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
Yeah, it was a there's a there's a passion.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
That's a different level of pression. It's a different connection
because you are bound by blood. You know, you're all Moldy.
You've got that in common, which is far out. It's
pretty special.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
Yeah yeah, yeah, later on we should take a break
and come back in a second. We haven't been taking breaks.
You noticed that.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
Message them in the done a good job.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
That's all right, you know, I get all that, mate.
I don't like to complain, you know, me.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
Up good to have a serotonin back today.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
The serotonin is actually not coming back.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
As I'm like, come back, and then hey, looks like
it's come back.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
I think I'll take that as a compliment. But I
still feel a little bit behind the eight ball. I'm
still waiting for that email from Pixie Campbell saying I
had a couple of days off, butod luck, I haven't
got that one yet. Good luck with that, mate, A
couple of days and low maybe, I know, good luck?
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Good luck with that?
Speaker 3 (06:30):
Get that a couple of sick days tomorrow for me? Boys,
I think, actually, good with good luck, we're there. Yeah,
that'll get anyway.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
We're taking a break, yeah, right, so later on we're
going to hit the nets. I know you're hoping for
a little bit of rain, and it looks like there's
a little bit of drizzle out there, but that's not
going to stop us from having the nets.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
You know, No, I don't like to you know me, boys,
I take my health and safety very seriously and I
don't like to about play any cricket in the wet.
So unfortunately, if there is rain coming and we're.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Tough on the run up, though, Jerry, what are we
going to do with that? If it is raining I've
got I've got the yips as it is.
Speaker 1 (07:06):
And we'll work something through. I mean, either normally, as
I said, we've got to start with start with the basics.
I think we will start with your run up and
then we'll work through to just some strategies around around
how you're approaching each other and making sure that you're
thinking about putting the ball in the right direction. And basically,
I think your job, Joey, you know, from my perspective,
(07:28):
coaching you in this situation, and I've taken on the
role of you haven't asked me to coach you, but
I've decided that I'm going to do it anyway.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
I'd say it it's more of a mental ship.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
And that's kind of you. But I think as a
person of your size and stature, I think it's important
that you dictate the over I think you need to.
You need to show the batsman whose boss from ball one?
Speaker 2 (07:47):
Yeah, so bully the pitch.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Yeah, my strategy if I were if I were you,
I would say I just push them back and this crease.
Just pushing back with the first couple of deliveries and
maybe pushing back with three, maybe even a little bit
of chin music the over now and then I think
probably ball four, that's the ball that you look to
get him out with just a.
Speaker 2 (08:06):
Little bit stump out, a little fuller, maybe just shaping away.
Speaker 1 (08:09):
A fractions and finally you think I hear something, I
can finally something in my half and then out.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
That reminds me O went out to Lincoln I think
in about twenty sixteen twenty seventeen when I was playing
all Right cricket and that we had to plan on
an auto turf because it's been running overnight and we
were taking on Lincoln and for some reason, for whatever reason,
Henry Shipley was playing for them there, and all I'll
say is he had no issues with bowling sixteen year old,
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some half trackers for over after over after over, and look,
I'm still it over it, you know, eight years old.
So I'm actually having some flashbacks from that because he's
a simody built man to you. I think he's about
I think he's six ' five.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
A little bit shorter a good time.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
I remember thinking at the back of the you know,
he looked big at the back of us.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Would you try player a hook shot at all or
you just get out of the way.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
I was getting out of everything. Yeah, everything, even as
a tall man myself eyes, that's the right.
Speaker 1 (08:59):
When you're on a full strip, it's a little bit
different because you know you can get underneath them, a
little bit different when you're playing in a net, because
you might get one on the on the bit that
goes from the grass to that and that fizzles at you.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
Also, these big park next down here, they've got people
with lighters on them every second night, playing on the
day five and.
Speaker 1 (09:20):
Fireworks still recovering from from November five. But interestingly, MESHI,
you've chosen two seeds here, and I've got to say
the two seeds that you've chosen, I say, are hoping
a brand new two piece red King. You've chosen this
white thing here, which is like a pie basically it's
so soft. And this other four piece here, which has
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got a nasty little seam on that I got to say,
but nasty. Yeah, that thing looks like it might reverse. Yeah,
I think that one might reverse. You reckon that.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
That was an old ball of yours.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Yeah, it was. I bought a dozen Indian four pieces
in two thousand and six, six or something, because when
I built a cricket need at my house and I thought,
I need to I need to get some ball for it,
and so I went online and yeah, bought. I bought
a dozen of these things for like they're like ten
bucks each or something, and they just basically they're like rocks,
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so they kill you back. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
Have you heard the rumor that once Joe gets the
ball in his hand, the hard ball, he gets red
missed in his eyes, kind of like someone like.
Speaker 1 (10:22):
Alan Donald or Neil Wagner.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
I'm not surprised. I've got a line heart like gonna
be one of those. Yeah, there's gonna be one of
those situations where you just keepheading me with.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
The one more, one more, one more. That's always the thing,
isn't it. Club cricket. You always know that this guy's
going to steam and for five or four and then
he's going to run out of pace. But a guy
that just keeps coming and coming and coming, and that's
no fun. I used to hate New Sessions as a
crooked out like it was. I just hated it because
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bowlers just feel twenty clicks quicker.
Speaker 2 (10:55):
Yeah, well it's because we're over stepping by about a meter.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
Yeah, And I think I was like, make you better
as a batsman. Well you're over stepping by good point
reaction time.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
Yeah, it was easy when you're out in the middle.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
I always thought that if you're ever in a team
where you had good past bowlers in your team that
you faced on the nets, that's what it was always
good because it was hell at practice. It was no fun.
But then on a Saturday you get out there and
these doubly doublers had come in and has smashed them
around the place. It's beautiful, it's good, it's good for you.
Look at those Australian teams and stuff, and all our
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best teams as well have had a couple of guys
with a bit of pace in them, because if you've
got guys at this bowl military medium all the time,
it's not used to it.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
Have we thought about fellas like what happens if I
managed to get ahold of a couple here and that's likely,
And what happens if I get a hold of a
couple and then all of sudden care and has given
me the caller?
Speaker 2 (11:46):
Well that there's a chart. You've never played a game
of rugby in your life.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
Well, no, that's true. I also played a game rugby.
Speaker 3 (11:53):
And I don't think I have Have you ever played rugby?
I don't think I've ever played a game of rugby.
Speaker 2 (11:57):
Well, look, if it comes to it and we have
to get you and the shield and I have to
just smash you o the tackle, then rugby side, it's.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
Gonna know nobody's going. But don't don't forget as well, Meshy.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
You're you're a young man and you're mid twenties, and
what is it for a batsman? Is it late twenties
to early thirties is sort of when you start heading
your prime thirty two two? So yours are still good
to come, Meshy.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
Your eyesight will be perfect, Jesus will it? Body is
just a broken mess, so you should be You should
be spanking.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
Me all over the park?
Speaker 3 (12:29):
How is the body actually?
Speaker 2 (12:30):
Ship?
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Is it really?
Speaker 3 (12:31):
Is it real?
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Poor fucker? Mate?
Speaker 2 (12:34):
Two shoulder operations of surgery and nick surgery, the need
to have need to have two ankles done, do mate,
or rugby? And an actual wreck?
Speaker 3 (12:44):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Thirty seven going on sixty seven?
Speaker 1 (12:49):
Yeah, getting out of bed in the morning. Tough to practices.
That's a problem rugby. It's not for games, are you bloody?
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Constant practicing Jamie Joseph's got a lot to answer for.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
I wonder about that sometimes you must have theories on that,
like whether or not there's actually too much, whether that's
the thing that's taking in out of you.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
Well, I know in Japan, like I did five seasons
up there, two of them were back to back, were
super ugby. So I just played all year round, which
was awesome. Then we went Japan changed their season timing,
so went full time Japan. But their pre season they
don't start until December this season, but we would be
up there in pre season middle of September, so and
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they were, oh, mate, and you'll be playing a lot
of preseason games before you even rip into the proper season.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
Yeah. Tough work. Yeah, so much training. Yeah, I heard
that Japanese is love training. It's mainly training and then
a game. But it's actually rugby is really about training
and not really about the actual game exactly. That's kind
of the Japanese way though, Japanese.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
And do it over and over and over and over
and over again, you'll get better.
Speaker 1 (13:59):
At it all, right. Yeah. Yeah, I think I remember
Beaver telling me that was when he was up there,
it was like, this is I didn't really listen to him,
but he's like, this is this is how we should
do it. We should try and change this up, we
should change this.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
So we did. At our team, we had a coach
for three years and we did this. I could tell
you for the three years he was in charge, we
did the same thing Monday to Saturday for all three years,
same training, same drills every day.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
Wow, how loong is the Japanese season fifteen round robin games?
Speaker 1 (14:31):
Fifteen?
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Yeah? Two guys, two buys in there? Yeah, it's actually
that's called the semi final.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Decent size season.
Speaker 2 (14:40):
Yeah, fifteen. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
Is it possible just to play in Japan and not
play anywhere else?
Speaker 2 (14:44):
Yeah? Right, yeah, you just played. Yeah, those boys, the
big the big dogs over there, will be the highest
earning reggay players in the world, now do you Yeah?
Speaker 1 (14:54):
Right, quite a bit more than France.
Speaker 2 (14:56):
Ye. Interesting, the biggest market in the world Japan for
record players.
Speaker 1 (15:01):
Now yeah, is that off the back of just the corporations?
Are there owned by corporations or something? Because you work
for you play for Toyota and yes stuff.
Speaker 2 (15:10):
You're employed by.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Panasonic or Sun Tour h Suntory. So what does Sun
toy Do Food and beverage company okay, one of the
biggest privately owned food and beverage companies in the world right,
owned by two families, the Saji family and the Tory family.
So they own jim Beam. Gives you a bit of
an idea of their wealth. Yeah, jim Bean worldwide.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
They bought it for around twenty billion US dollars or
something sixteen billion NEWIST dollars, wow, ten billion in cash.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Yeah, it's crazy. It's a crazy amount of wealth in Japan.
But you don't see it. No, it's not quite like
the States or Europe where you really sit. I mean
the States, you really see the wealth there. I mean
there's a lot, there's more wealth.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
And well Tokyo because it's just so jam packed, right,
and they're probably living in the fortieth story of an
unbelievable part looking over Tokyo, you know, but you just
don't see it because the forty bloody story is high up.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
Yeah, but you don't see the flesh cars driving around.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
You see those lovely beautiful crowns that are obviously going
a driver, yeah, or the old school crowd Texis, the
black taxis Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Yeah, Yeah, I think there's other ways. Weird rules in
Japan out there around cars. So for every if you
buy a car, you also have to have a car
park direct. You can't buy a car without without without
a car park. That's quite good, that makes sense. Yeah,
well there's no car parks in Tokyo. I mean you
can't park on the side of the road or anything
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like that. As a result, there's not actually that much
traffic for a city of that size.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
And they told you the baggery to get into the city.
So if you drive into the city on the toll roads,
you're getting charged the fortune. Oh yeah, whereas if you
jump on the public transport cheapest chips.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
It makes sense.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
Yeah. I was up there at the beginning of the
year driving around in the snow, and they they love
a snow tire.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Man.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
I was amazed in New Zealand. In New Zealand, in
South Island snows, everyone just goes completely insane. This car
is sliding off into banks and all sorts of In Japan, no, no,
you just keep driving and they've all got snow tires
and you just you can. You can drive in these
snow tires, no chains and you're cruising around. It's absolutely sensational. Yeah,
it's quite cool. Everyone. You've got to have you have
(17:26):
to have legally, you have to have snow tires. They
go up north, Yeah, in the mountain. We were in
nagin and you've got to in there, you Yeah, you
have to have snow tires.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
So snow tire is it just like a big full
drive tire.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
It's a foil drive tire that's softer, right, So they
don't they don't get hard when they get cold. That's
part of the problem is that the tire hardens up
and then it slides, whereas these are much These are
softer and and they they The theory I think is
that they just grip the snow a little bit better
ice or snow. But you're driving like sixty or seventy
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along these completely snow covered roads, like full snow cover, no,
like not not tracks, and you can hardly see where
you're going. Just everyone's faring along at eighty. Some people
are like driving one hundred. It's crazy. It's crazy drinking
a say here as you.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
Go, that's one thing over there. You're not allowed zero tolerant.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Yeah, I didn't know that, didn't you. No? Oh lord,
I was told it's not my fault. I was ignorant.
I was told by someone that that's all good, it
turns out. And then I was telling the kids, you know,
as I'm driving along with them, to say he and
post skiing. And I said to the kids, and they
were like, should you be doing I don't worry about it, kids.
(18:46):
Are you allowed to do it over here? It's different rules,
you know, this is the thing around the world, different rules.
And I mean I was I wasn't drunk. I was
just having and is it a big can big care?
That was a big one, yeah, five hundred mother, and
with the with the top that comes off from them, yeah,
number and the phone and and then you said, have
you checked that rule? And I said, I said no,
(19:08):
I'm sure someone said it's all good here and so
she googled it and it's like you can go to
prison for driving as I'm driving. I'm like.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
The great thing about the Japanese they just they follow
the rules to the leather of the law. You could
go buy a beer from a like a like like
a vending machine over there, No kids buy them.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
You imagine that. New Zealand. Yeah, and the dirry you
can buy the daries from the vending They don't even think, oh, no,
you've got to be You've got to be twenty or eighteen,
whatever it is over there. Apparently, though, if you went
and bought, if you were a cat and you're at
the vending machine buying darries and another adult saw you
do it, apparently they give you a good telling off.
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Someone someone told.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Me old school.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Yeah they got around the ears. Yeah, yeah, it's an interesting,
interesting way of doing it. But I love that you know,
by your by your assay, he's in the get on
the bullet train drinking. There's no problem as long as
you want annoying anyone else, that fine with that.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
My first trip over there, my first away trip. It's
sunt where he hadn't gone too good the season before,
so we had heaps of away games down and Orsucker
and George Smith had just come back to the to
the team from having a stint in France, and we
backed Titsu, which is a Warsucker based team on our
first game, last minute, and over there, you drive the
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you go back on that night of the game because
there's just so many shenkansins that you can get on
to get back to Tokyo, get on the Shankhansen. Before
we're hitting there, he goes, lads, convenience store, we're all
buying beers. I was like, all right, first game for me.
I was like, oh Jesus, I want to be doing
this no alcohol company. We've got to be helping the
(20:49):
company and getting the boys all tight. So we go
on there, myself of course, on George Smith and he
goes gets a what do you call it, bloody bags
and he it's a whole row of premium molts, suntory
premium malts, just tips it into the into his bags
with them as Joe, you do the same. Of course,
you do the same. We walk on the with our bag,
(21:09):
rolling our bag, not two bags of boody beers and
high balls, spin the seats around, so you've got three
faces in each way and we're just right on.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
But real civilized drink your power in the person.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
The cadences high tempo, and you know the Japanese go
bright red straight away. One beer in and they're bright red.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
Yeah, they don't not not great like you know drinkers,
interns of volume, but they.
Speaker 3 (21:38):
They don't mind getting shipped faced.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
No, it's fine. You're allowed to get absolutely as long
as you're not causing any problems exactly.
Speaker 2 (21:45):
And I think that's great. Yeah, fall asleep at the
bar because you're too hammered.
Speaker 1 (21:48):
Yeah, it's a lot of good.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
It's fine.
Speaker 1 (21:51):
It's a weird one, the rule that we have over
here where you can't be drunk, Like, if you're drunk,
it's it's a problem all of a sudden. But if
you're at a bar and you're asleep, what is You
don't have any damage to me at that point. You're
just asleep. What's the difference. And we've got a thing
around you know, you're not allowed to be drunk. It's wrong,
but some one person's one person's drunk is another person.
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I could be reasonably drunk, and people don't know that
I'm necessarily drunk. Yes, you know, some people show up
better than others and or less than others. And over
there they've got a thing of like it's not for
me to tell you what you do. You know, as
long as you're not upsetting anyone else, And they are
very strict on that though. You can't be annoying other people.
As soon as you become an annoyance, you can pass off.
(22:35):
They'll come down quite hard. They'll come down super hard
on you much.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
I think they've got that. I think they've got that right.
Europeans but like that too.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
Are they.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
Yeah, you go to Germany and stuff like that, they're
like failure boots.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Let the dogs out, stay in check.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Yeah yeah, whereas we've got a we've got a different
sort of thing over here. We've got a careful if
you let the dogs out, everybody. Yeah, no, it's it's
I don't even know how to explain it, but it's
just a different thing, it is. All right, Okay, let's
get down to the nets. Yes, that's hard and heavy, Boots. Thanks,
(23:15):
it's been a lot of fun.
Speaker 2 (23:16):
Thanks for having me.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Thanks, mate, really enjoyed it.
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