September 12, 2024 • 28 mins
On the Daily Bespoke Podcast today, Matt and Jerry take us back to January 19th, 2014. India were taking on the Black Caps at McLean Park in Napier, and the Alternative Commentary Collective were about to change broadcasting history...
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello friends, It's Matt Heath and I've started a substack
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It's weekly and full of stuff that might have made
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You can subscribe to it for free at Matdheath dot
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will support the thing as well as give you extra staff.
A Lifeless Punishing the substackmail out at Matdheath dot substack
dot com. Anyway you seem busy, I'll let you go.
Bless bless, blessed Livya. Mister note, Oh, it is the
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thirteenth of September and the year of our Lord twenty
twenty four. Welcome all year Bespoke you Doki is the
day he Bespoke podcast, and a big hello to those
people that are coming to seeing me speak tonight at
the Better Man Quiz in Chriss Yet, what's a better
man quiz? The better Man you talk to? The better
Man Quiz Todd Estell and his brother. Yeah, that's all right,
(01:25):
it's a big event. It's a big event down in
Chross Church. A great time. Actually, well it will be,
I mean before but Scotty Jes Stevenson did it last year.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
People had a great time. So I'm me on stage
talking shit, Are you talking or are you answering questions?
Speaker 1 (01:41):
What I'm going to do is I'm going to run
the quiz and then I'm going to do just a
little speech in the middle. Are you a little speech,
PowerPoint speech about my book, A Lifeless Punishing?
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Are you going to do a cover of Better Men
by Pulga?
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Well? I was asked to do that, and then you know,
I said, I said, I don't know how to play that.
D A G d ag can't find her friend a man.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Once you've written a book, I suppose it's not easy
to not easy, not hard to put together a speech
because you've written essentially a mass of long speech. Yeah,
and then you just need to.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Well, I mean I've been flying around the country of
the speech at least once a weekend or twice a
week for the last two months. I think I've been
doing a lot of them. Book very successful, of course,
number one best seller. Same speech or a different speech,
different speeches. I just take different parts of the book
and engineer them for better men. It's going to be about,
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you know, spending time with your mates and the value.
And I'm going to lean into Robert Waldinger's study, the
Harvard Happiness Study. They followed fifteen hundred men in Boston
for seventy five years on the study and to find
out what made people happy and what didn't. It's interesting
it was started. The study was actually started by a
department store wanted to find out because they believed that
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this way back seventy five years ago, this department store
in Boston decided that happy workers would be better workers,
and they thought on the floor in a department store,
they thought they noticed that the happy people were selling
more stuff. So they commissioned the study. But then it
got taken over in the department store. No longer exists
and it became a Harvard study. But you know what,
Robert Woldoger Wildinger, he's a chiatrist. That's the current head
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of it. There was a previous one. Obviously, it's been
going for seventy five years. You know what he said,
he said, after all the research they've done, DNA sampling, videoing,
interviewing everything that they've done over the years. He summed
it up in one sentence, it's the quality of your relationships.
The term in the quality of your life period. So
it wasn't your cholesterol levels at fifty anything else. It
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was are your how good are your relationships with your
friends and your partner and your family was was the
biggest part. But he does point out that that's slightly
complicated because people that are happy tend to have better
relations and ships. So it's kind of a chicken and
eg thing, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Yes, I see what he's saying. It's quite different, though,
isn't it. Because I mean, if you are, say, inside
of a large city, your relationships are going to be
quite different. They can be with a broader range of
people than say, if you are growing up in a
small town.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Yeah, well you're very.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Much forced to be with the people who just happen
to be there at the same time as you.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
But I think that's actually quite a good thing, and
I reckon this is why you've got to put your
kids through sport, because you meet all kinds of people
from different areas on the in a sports team. As
a parent, and it really really widens your mind, and
you make good friends with people that you'd never meet
from different different areas. And I think in small towns
there's this thing where the scarcity of people means that
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you are friends with people outside of your bubble. Outside
of your bubble. You know, you and me, Jerry, we
could end up just hanging out with media winkers, couldn't we.
We do pretty much with media as media winkers. They're
my friends from high school. Yeah, yeah, that's pretty much
me and some people that I meet on the sidelines
of sporting fixtures of my kids.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Actually, I don't hang out with that many media winkers neither.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Well, you've got a really good crew of old friends,
haven't you. I've got old friends like you. Yeah, I
mean the guys I hang out with the most apart
from you, guys are my three best friends from from
my final year of high school. Yeah, I was kind
of lucky.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
I went to different schools, so I've got friends from
different schools.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
I got friends from from my grammar times and and
and before that. Yeah, you know, I've got some. Actually
I don't see a lot of friends from wang and
OUI where I got expelled from the only spend a
year there. Yeah, but I would like to see those people,
but they live in a different part of the country
and I never see them. And then I got friends
like g Lane from from the last school that I
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went to.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
Yeah, wow, and he's my friend now going.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
To different schools around the place, because you do have
friends in different places.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Yeah. So I was thinking about g Lane the other
day because you know, I've spent so much. I just
had to look through some photographs for a thing I
was doing, and I just there was just thousands of
pictures of me and Glane in different places, and I
kind of think of him as a new friend. But
actually me and Glane have been hanging out so much
over the last ten years. Ten years.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
Yeah, yeah, that's not a new friend.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Yeah, but he still feels like a new friend. But
then if you just go through I mean, we have
bonded over a love of consuming alcohol, let's be honest.
But yeah, so it workplace is another great place to
meet friends and different types of people because you'll thrown together,
aren't you. I mean, we're a lot of media wankers
around here.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
I think that's unfair men for you to say that
you and Gulane have bonded over alcohol. Sure, that's correct,
but also a love of broadcasting.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Yeah, and a love of sport and a love of
first night fever when we're away.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
Oh yeah, that's yeah, it's dangerous.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
I don't live. I don't live.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
It's not a bit of broadcasting, but I wouldn't just
is it the love of broadcasting?
Speaker 1 (06:51):
I think the weird thing is me and me and
Glane met at this party and there was a guy
that had bought twenty shots of tequila and he was
carrying from the bar and Gilane grabbed it and he
offered me one, and he said to me, I've just
stolen these off this guy over here. And so we
went around the bar and we handed them out to everyone,
and then we spent spent the night together like hanging out,
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and we bond more things, sealing more alcohol of people.
And then I went and I went home to my partner.
At that next day, we know and I said to
the mother and my children, I met the best guy
last night. I met the best freaking guy last night.
And this guy was a loose unit.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
I met a fellow mind sweeper and we just swept
away all night. It was great. Didn't pay for a
drink all night. Jesus, it was good finally as keen
as me not to buy drinks finally, and consumers many too.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
Yeah, yeah, but yeah, it's interesting the quality of your friendships.
And often think with my friends from high school, were
they the best people? Because I went to a school
where anyone that was expelled from another school could go to.
It was a sort of catchment school for the old
Targo reason. And I was saying, I was thinking, were
they the best people in the world that I met?
Or were they just I met them at the right time.
We're talking in the likes of Spooge and cast Donaldson.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Hey, look, I think luck plays such a big part
and all that sort of stuff, because I mean, if
you're born in a particular place where you end up
going somewhere for whatever reason. I mean, if Spooge, for example,
wasn't expelled for whatever he was expelled for, then he
wouldn't have ended up in the situation where you met him,
and you know, you've had a lifelong friendship with this guy.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
And it was formed. He was the funniest guy. He's
still to this day of the funniest person I've ever
ever met, And he was the first conversation I had.
I met Phil Spoonge We're calling that also known as
Prong in the class when I'd got like ninety eight
percent in a test and he got zero and he
was new to the school, and I tapped him on
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the shoulder and said, how thick are you? How can
anyone be that thick? And he said, I fell asleep.
I slept through the exit and I said, oh, that
makes sense. And then we went to the touch shop
together after the class and have been like inseparable ever since.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Was that at the time when he was essentially flatting
by himself while he was at school?
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Yeah, and so, and every party in the school was
at his flat because he was the only person that
had a flat. That's the dream, isn't it? And so
it's hard for him to stay awake in class. Have
you been up all night with everyone? Like every millimeter
of the Florida's flat had a kid that was staying
there at his house. You know, everyone just used to
sleep on the floor there.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
I can imagine parents like where we're going to stay
going around to Phil's house?
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Ye didn't my parents didn't my parents, I'm staying at
Phil's house. You've met Phil. He's nice, isn't he? He's
lovely and they go, yeah, because he's was such a
polite person to parents. But we didn't mention that his
parents lived in Queenstown and he flatted by himself, but
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also his parents. Who saves their kid to flat? But
how about this, about this fulfhill he slept right through
the year and got zero in a bunch of tests
and then got scholarships and his when he actually sat
for the exams, when he actually spent even this is
the thing about that guy even spent thirty seconds thinking
about the testing scholarship. But if he if he was
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asleep and it did very poorly sleep.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
I would have liked the old system, the old the
older system, the news system.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
The internal assessment was not his friend. No, you got
to there were some people that have been massively disadvantage
of that that. You know, the sprinters, Yeah, the sprinters,
the marathon runners are very well catered for in schools now. Yeah,
But there was a skill the sprinter. Yeah, because I
was all through year. I used to work quite hard
at school and I'd go through and I was interested
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in tests, and I quite enjoyed school, and I was
going along, you know, doing all these things all year.
They didn't mean ship at the end of the year.
You got the sprinter, you got you got spooch. Yeah,
the last one hundred meters. He just screams past me.
Back back in the day.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
Am I right in thinking fifth form had the test
at the end, seventh form did as well. Yeah, but
sixth form was that thing where you were.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Assesster and yeah, sixth form was the full year of
internet assistment. So if I could go back, I would
say I prefer just the sprint at the end.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
I think I do as well.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
As it was, it was always a possibility that, no
matter how badly things had been going all year, you
had the opportunity, even until the last day before the
before the exam, to maybe do okay, yeah, you know,
if you really did enough or you studied the right things.
But with the sixth form, when those that year twelve
just that you know you could have got you just
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had to reply yourself for such a long period time.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
So hard at sixteen, Yeah, yeah it is.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Yeah, it's so hard to be consistent at that age.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Yeah, that's true. And I guess they're trying to reward
that the consistency. But yeah, I think a lot of
things in life. Because when I went to university, I
didn't get in the lectures I used to sit at university.
My alarm was set at twelve thirty after lunch, so
I'd go down for lunch.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
You needed to quadron.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Yeah, yeah, he was school see just completely. I don't
think school see had any internal assessment. A sixth form
was all into assessment, and then bursary was a bit
of both. Yeah, it had a little bit of both,
which is actually the most sensible way to do it.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
Can we ever break and when we come back, I
want to ask you a question about parenting. Jeremy and
Jeremy and we're back. I've got a conundrum about parenting
because as a parent, you tell your kids that every
year is really important, and you really hype up the
exams and you hype up everything, and you say that
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their firth form, their fourth form, fifth form, sixth form
is really important. Arguably only the seventh form is important,
you know what I mean. And then by the time
they get to this seventh form, university entrance exams and such,
you've been telling them that this is so important because
as a parent you can't let them. I think you're
thinking is that you don't want them to slip.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Behind good habits. But I think we get caught out lying.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
And I think a lot of a lot of kids
when they hit year thirteen, not seventh form, year thirteen,
they get there and they go you told me that
the fifth WAE exams are important, and you told me this,
the year twelve exams are important, and you know, I mean,
they're a bit wise to you bullshit.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
But then the problem is they go to university and
then you realize that you think, oh, this is important
because this is a degree, and I'm paying a whole
lot of money for the lesson. And then you, like me,
and realized that didn't matter either, and then really cares.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
You follows you agreed and going to a job, and
then no one even asks for your degree, And if
you like me, you didn't even get it out of
the I didn't go to my graduation at university.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
But I mean, how far do you want to extend that?
I mean, you get to the interview life and you think,
well that nothing really mattered in the end. I mean,
nothing matters, does it. It's interesting at the moment because
I've started the substack at the moment, and that gives
you numbers on how many people are reading your articles.
And I'm just saying that three thousand people have read
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my first article on the substack.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
Done, that's pretty good.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Well, I have two thousand and two point ninety seven
thousand people have read it. And now I'm suddenly like, ah,
that now this feels like each Now now every article
I write feels like an exam again, I'm like, I
got it. You know you you can buy into those
numbers pretty pretty pretty easily.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Are you writing one a week?
Speaker 3 (14:12):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (14:12):
Writing one a week. I'm going to release them. I'm thinking,
when would you really read an article? Because I was
thinking because I released the first one last week. I
think I released it on on Tuesday last week, but
I think he Sunday morning, day open, Sunday morning, if
you wake up and you had, like in an article,
I'm putting a lot of different into them, got video
on them and that kind of stuff in the second one.
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But Sunday morning, I think I'd get up on it
and get up and get it in a Sunday morning.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
And then that gives you the whole week as well.
I mean, you can read you have to read it
on a Sunday, but I think Sundays are good. Sunday's
a good day. It's good day.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Does it?
Speaker 3 (14:44):
Does it land as an email? Is that how most
people are going to get it? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Yeah, you subscribe and it comes through as an email.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Hold on hold.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
People check their emails.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Again, I don't check my emails on the weekend.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
Do you check your emails on the weekend? Read it?
Speaker 3 (14:57):
I might. I might actually check them on a Sunday morning,
to be ho, because Saturday is normally our crazy day
when I just let most things slide.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
But most people, I think, who are corporate people I
know are checking their emails all the time, even on
the weekends. But I wonder whether it's just habit.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
But the great thing about running something like the substack
is that you see the exact numbers, you can you
can ride them. I quite like that. I quite like
the idea of seeing what works and doesn't work in
real time and you can change it because you run
it yourself.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Yeah, it's not the way radio works, No, We've got
it works like that. We can see the exact numbers
of people that downloaded, well, that was.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
That was the most My substack is Matt Heath dot
substack dot com. If you want to sign up subscribe
to it. It's free or there's a paid model as well,
but mainly the paid models just basically give me money
to motivate me to do it. Not much five dollars
a month. But anyway, it was really interesting when we
started the ACC because we'd all done radio, you know,
and then we started the ACC and that was on
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iHeartRadio and so we had the exact numbers of people
were listening. So we started our very first, our very
first broadcast in the caravan. You'll remember it, yes, just Napier.
I've just written about it, and the the a SEC Almanac.
We go through that that that you know, and there's
like a rundown of the conversation before it started where
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I remember you quite clearly said one thing we've got
to get right as the ball boy ball and then
and at that point we had no idea what we
were going to do apart from that, I mean, I
we were sending around. We had that meeting before the
first oneever said okay, we get good ball by ball
and there was no talk about the content. But anyway,
we got into the caravan and there were zero people.
There was zero people listening when we started. Yeah, there
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was zero, zero people heard the first few minutes yep.
And then by the end of the summer there were like,
we've had a couple of million streams, like a couple
of million.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
I think the first I feel like the first one
was we had two thousand people or something.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
By the end of the game, we'd had two thousand,
which was amazing. We couldn't believe it. We had two thousand.
We thought, we've cracked the code. This is freaking amazing.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
And then the next one we got like it went four,
and then the next one went six. Kept growing, it
actually kept growing, and it was.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Weird because at that point it was a novelty when
we started, and it was really fun. But it was
interesting how quickly we found out that we'd come across
something that was good, like, yeah, people liked and it
was an accident, really, I mean, you and Gulane put
it together, and that was a great idea having an
alternative commentary because we weren't I guess happy with some
of the radio commentary, but also mainly we wanted to
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go to the grounds and you know whatever. But it
just so happened that the crew that you got together
in the sport of cricket just melded so well for
what we wanted to do. It was weird.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
I knew, I reckon. I knew after the first drinks break,
and when we were doing that one, I didn't know
if it was going to work before then, and then
I knew after the first drink, but I thought this works.
I was so that was good works.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
That was the most nervous I've ever been for anything
doing that acc even though there were no listeners, because
I was a fraud. I didn't know anything about cricket,
and I didn't know at that point that it didn't
matter that I knew anything. Didn't know anything about cricket,
and and quickly the way it developed I could lean
into just talking about I mean, I know a bit
of about cricket. I love cricket and watching it my
whole life. You know, played it at intermediate in high
school and probably school, loved it, loved it. But I
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didn't have the knowledge that say you do or or
g Lane does.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
Do you guys remember that I was really name was
Yeah twenty fourteen and Ape.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
Park and so I I was so nervous because I'd
never had imposters and Rome on the same level, but
I really wanted to be involved. I'm so glad you
guys invited me because I don't know what my life
would have been like without it. It's been so much fun.
But just how quickly I reckon buy that drinks break
as well, I thought, Oh, there's a place for me
in this Yeah. And after that, I just felt so
comfortable because I was like, Oh, I can just talk
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about cricket and other stuff and yeah, And that was
the revelation, because there's so much time in cricket that
you could talk about other stuff. Yeah, I reckon.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
I'm now, as I get older and do more broadcasting,
the more I think about it, the more I think
there's a particular rhythm and to any broadcast, and when
you find the right rhythm, it becomes listenable in one
way or another. And if you just have to find
the rhythm in your own head and the rhythm with
the other people around you, and if it follows a
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particular rhythm, it will work and it will and people listen.
And that I just immediately went, oh, this rhythm works.
Here is this sounds like a broadcast because.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
We'd all listen to broadcasts so so much that we
knew how to speak, even if we were saying different things.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
Yeah, and then everybody was coming in at the right time,
and I was like, Oh, this is a good and
there's a good combination of people with all kinds of
different that bringing difference. Every person brought different things. I
was like, Ah, this works, this totally works.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
And what was brilliant for with me because I guess
because me and Joe Jury, who's a SEC, we went
to a lot of cricket games together, like we'd go
and watch cracket beforehand, and so what it was for
me was you guys were doing the commentary and it
was like me and Joe Jury having our conversations that
we'd have in the stands, but in the rhythm of cricket.
So kind of like those great moments you'd heard in
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test matches in the Plunket Shield growing up, because I
still listen to a lot of Plunket Shield and just
the person going, is that a vanilla ice cream that
young girls eating? That looks good, doesn't it? You know?
As you know, and then and then the description of
what was happening. It was such a great rhythm. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Someone said the other day something interesting about companionship, and
I think that was a big thing about radio cricket commentary.
It's companionship.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Yeah, it is, isn't it. It's companionship because I think
that's what it was like for me when I was
growing up, because I was growing up on the farm
that was miles away from anywhere, and it was I
remember my childhood been quite quiet because because it was
just it was on a farm, you know, it was
so silent. And when I go and visit even Danita now,
but when i'd go back and visit my parents, it
would hurt your ears. Hos quiet it was. And so
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just having cricket playing all the time. And then you know,
and he used to be on free too television. You
walk through the lounge and cricket would be on, and
you'd have it on the on the Transis radio. It was.
It was You're so right, it was companionship. Companionship.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
But I think so much of audio audio broadcasting as companionship.
I mean, I'd be interested to know what people how
they listen to this podcast. Whether this is considered companionship
for people people listen to it. I listened to some
podcasts before I go to bed, Yeah, and I now,
I now it's quite intimate.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Yeah, I was an intimacy. I listened to the Agenda
podcast when I'm not on it at the gym, and
it's like I'm hanging out with Manya and g Lane.
I'm just sitting there on the gym, lay in the gym,
like in a machine, and it's like I'm part of
the conversation. I'm just sitting there because it's right in
my ears and no one else can hear it. But
it's two people talking, and so yeah, it's like you
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can transport a conversation with you if Yeah, I mean
because people listening to this right now obviously because their
podcast is quite successful, it'd be interesting if they, yeah,
how they experience it.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
So you've got some stats on that particular game, Router, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
Well, funnily enough, I do. I do remember that game
because it wasn't long after Corey Anderson, Corey Corey Corey
Corey Corey Corey Anderson got that quick one hundred against
the Western.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
First on the scene, and this was a.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
Game when we've gone quite sol Can Williamson got seventy
one off eighty eight. Ross Taylor got fifty.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
We came up with the name stead the Ship Williamson
and that first that first morning.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
That's right, and Corey Anderson smashed four sixers sixty eight
off forty balls.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
We started in such a good spot for New Zealand cricket,
didn't we And we won?
Speaker 3 (22:31):
Yeah, yeah, So we got two ninety two for seven
and there got two sixty eight all out. Verapp got
one hundred and twenty three.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
That's right. We rode such we rode that roade such
a wave hot because then next year coming into the
Cricket World Cup and cricket actually grew exponentially as we grew.
Expect a good time.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
As as look at those New Zealand players, Carlin.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
And I'm worried for the future of Test cricket and
New Zealand in one day cricket in New Zealand just because
of the incentives so different now for a cricket player,
you know, so ruder. When you heard of the ACC
and you first started listening to it, did you fucking
hate us?
Speaker 3 (23:09):
I personally didn't hate it. I was I was a
bit ambivalent. I was like, ah, it's funny to listen to,
but I heard so many people that were traditional cricket
watches and listeners that did fucking hate it. And we're like,
I'm never gonna listen to those guys. Why would I
waste my time? If I just wanted to hear people
talk shit, I would just watch the cricket and put
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something else on, because that's basically what these guys are doing.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
Yeah, yeah, well that's what we had to be. We
had to be hated by some people. Yeah, to be
by some other people.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
We had to be different. We had to be the
alternative option, which we were. We were alternative as opposed
to you know, the mainstream.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
But I remember you guys very heavily involved around that
twenty fifteen World Cup and that game was Grant Elliott
eat Eden part Yeah, and there was you know, there's
all those clubs are smoothy and grand Elliott Superman. But
for some weird reason, the ones that I saw more
were just you guys yelling was distorted.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
Stone to Elliott. Yeah, I mean it was the one
thing that we bought as well, just to blow smoke
up our own ass. Was just pure fandom, so we
never ran down. I mean, you know, you and Gelane
played cricket to a risthmly high level, but I was
terrible at cricket, so I wasn't in a position to
question whether someone was good enough to be in the
team or any of those kind of things. And we
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came to it as fans. So the one thing we
did have, and at that time in cricket got into
this really negative stage where we're basically our commentators on
TV and on radio, we're just they were like anti
our team. All the commentary was just basically lecturing them
and telling them off. Ex players just telling the team
off constantly, and that's no fun. I mean, I watched
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the Dodgers a lot of days, and they own their
own commentary team and as a result, their commentary team
that travels around all the games is the same commentary
team and they are very obviously, very pro their team.
And then when you get into the playoffs you have
the national commentators that come in and it's so different.
You start to get really fucked off because they actually
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telling you the truth rather than you're like, well, of
the turtle, Yeah, this guy is amazing. And now you're
telling me he's got major problems in his swing.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
It's very siloed, you know. I think the same thing
happens with the Warriors, to be honest. Yeah, with the
New Zealand commentary versus the Australian commentary, people get really
wound up about that.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
Now you talk about the negativity that was around the
team at that point, because that was about eighteen months
after Ross Taylor had been dropped as captain and then
mcillum took over. Yeah, and all that stuff went on
in Sri Lanka and people were hating on Mike, blamed
Mike Keson.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
For it all.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
Yeah, and a lot of traditional commentators were very I
now remember it. We're very negative about it at that point.
And we went and got forty five in South Africa
and everyone's like told, yeah, Ross didn't want to go.
This is McCullum's fault.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Yeah, And the problem with that situation as we look
back now, as Ross Taylor wasn't his turn to be Kepden,
it was, it was Brendan. They got it wrong when
they put home on Great New Zealand to Ross Taylor.
Love them, credible batsman, great tongue, but it wasn't his turn,
and so they kind And the thing is that Mike
Essen and and because I mean I grew up with
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Mike Keessen and the mccallums were I mean, they knew
each other obviously. They're from South Dunedin, both of them.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
You know, it always happens when when people end up
in national sports seems they bring the people. It happens
in any work situation at the people that they know
around them.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
Are picking Dog Roll as his captain. You want to
have someone that you can have a partnership and you
know you don't have to develop it. You you know
that you're on the same page. Didn't make sense, but anyway, okay,
then all right, then have a good weekend. A lot
of people would have not found that podcast like Companions
in the Air when they just you were, the three
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of us just winking each other off. Really super companion.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
You're not as sad about that game? As I look
at the scorecard, Jesse riders in the team. Then what
a waste? What a waste? I thinks, Yeah, he was
a waste of telling great player, got great rider play.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
Remember we went down to the bay over and we
saw him and he was still playing club cricket, you know,
smashing around.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
He loved cricket.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
It's sutually a real tragedy that his mindset wasn't right
for interessial cricket, but his genetics and his skill level
belore a few totally. Just a beautiful time with the ball. Incredible.
All right, then, all right, shove that up your ass. Hello,
I'm Matt Heath. You have been listening to the Matt
and Jerry Daily Bespoke podcast. Right now you can listen
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Bless bless, blessed Livya. Mister note, Oh, it is the
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thirteenth of September and the year of our Lord twenty
twenty four. Welcome all year Bespoke you Doki is the
day he Bespoke podcast, and a big hello to those
people that are coming to seeing me speak tonight at
the Better Man Quiz in Chriss Yet, what's a better
man quiz? The better Man you talk to? The better
Man Quiz Todd Estell and his brother. Yeah, that's all right,
(01:25):
it's a big event. It's a big event down in
Chross Church. A great time. Actually, well it will be,
I mean before but Scotty Jes Stevenson did it last year.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
People had a great time. So I'm me on stage
talking shit, Are you talking or are you answering questions?
Speaker 1 (01:41):
What I'm going to do is I'm going to run
the quiz and then I'm going to do just a
little speech in the middle. Are you a little speech,
PowerPoint speech about my book, A Lifeless Punishing?
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Are you going to do a cover of Better Men
by Pulga?
Speaker 1 (01:53):
Well? I was asked to do that, and then you know,
I said, I said, I don't know how to play that.
D A G d ag can't find her friend a man.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
Once you've written a book, I suppose it's not easy
to not easy, not hard to put together a speech
because you've written essentially a mass of long speech. Yeah,
and then you just need to.
Speaker 1 (02:19):
Well, I mean I've been flying around the country of
the speech at least once a weekend or twice a
week for the last two months. I think I've been
doing a lot of them. Book very successful, of course,
number one best seller. Same speech or a different speech,
different speeches. I just take different parts of the book
and engineer them for better men. It's going to be about,
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you know, spending time with your mates and the value.
And I'm going to lean into Robert Waldinger's study, the
Harvard Happiness Study. They followed fifteen hundred men in Boston
for seventy five years on the study and to find
out what made people happy and what didn't. It's interesting
it was started. The study was actually started by a
department store wanted to find out because they believed that
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this way back seventy five years ago, this department store
in Boston decided that happy workers would be better workers,
and they thought on the floor in a department store,
they thought they noticed that the happy people were selling
more stuff. So they commissioned the study. But then it
got taken over in the department store. No longer exists
and it became a Harvard study. But you know what,
Robert Woldoger Wildinger, he's a chiatrist. That's the current head
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of it. There was a previous one. Obviously, it's been
going for seventy five years. You know what he said,
he said, after all the research they've done, DNA sampling, videoing,
interviewing everything that they've done over the years. He summed
it up in one sentence, it's the quality of your relationships.
The term in the quality of your life period. So
it wasn't your cholesterol levels at fifty anything else. It
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was are your how good are your relationships with your
friends and your partner and your family was was the
biggest part. But he does point out that that's slightly
complicated because people that are happy tend to have better
relations and ships. So it's kind of a chicken and
eg thing, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Yes, I see what he's saying. It's quite different, though,
isn't it. Because I mean, if you are, say, inside
of a large city, your relationships are going to be
quite different. They can be with a broader range of
people than say, if you are growing up in a
small town.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Yeah, well you're very.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Much forced to be with the people who just happen
to be there at the same time as you.
Speaker 1 (04:19):
But I think that's actually quite a good thing, and
I reckon this is why you've got to put your
kids through sport, because you meet all kinds of people
from different areas on the in a sports team. As
a parent, and it really really widens your mind, and
you make good friends with people that you'd never meet
from different different areas. And I think in small towns
there's this thing where the scarcity of people means that
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you are friends with people outside of your bubble. Outside
of your bubble. You know, you and me, Jerry, we
could end up just hanging out with media winkers, couldn't we.
We do pretty much with media as media winkers. They're
my friends from high school. Yeah, yeah, that's pretty much
me and some people that I meet on the sidelines
of sporting fixtures of my kids.
Speaker 2 (05:01):
Actually, I don't hang out with that many media winkers neither.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
Well, you've got a really good crew of old friends,
haven't you. I've got old friends like you. Yeah, I
mean the guys I hang out with the most apart
from you, guys are my three best friends from from
my final year of high school. Yeah, I was kind
of lucky.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
I went to different schools, so I've got friends from
different schools.
Speaker 1 (05:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
I got friends from from my grammar times and and
and before that. Yeah, you know, I've got some. Actually
I don't see a lot of friends from wang and
OUI where I got expelled from the only spend a
year there. Yeah, but I would like to see those people,
but they live in a different part of the country
and I never see them. And then I got friends
like g Lane from from the last school that I
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went to.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
Yeah, wow, and he's my friend now going.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
To different schools around the place, because you do have
friends in different places.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Yeah. So I was thinking about g Lane the other
day because you know, I've spent so much. I just
had to look through some photographs for a thing I
was doing, and I just there was just thousands of
pictures of me and Glane in different places, and I
kind of think of him as a new friend. But
actually me and Glane have been hanging out so much
over the last ten years. Ten years.
Speaker 3 (06:10):
Yeah, yeah, that's not a new friend.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Yeah, but he still feels like a new friend. But
then if you just go through I mean, we have
bonded over a love of consuming alcohol, let's be honest.
But yeah, so it workplace is another great place to
meet friends and different types of people because you'll thrown together,
aren't you. I mean, we're a lot of media wankers
around here.
Speaker 3 (06:29):
I think that's unfair men for you to say that
you and Gulane have bonded over alcohol. Sure, that's correct,
but also a love of broadcasting.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
Yeah, and a love of sport and a love of
first night fever when we're away.
Speaker 3 (06:41):
Oh yeah, that's yeah, it's dangerous.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
I don't live. I don't live.
Speaker 2 (06:46):
It's not a bit of broadcasting, but I wouldn't just
is it the love of broadcasting?
Speaker 1 (06:51):
I think the weird thing is me and me and
Glane met at this party and there was a guy
that had bought twenty shots of tequila and he was
carrying from the bar and Gilane grabbed it and he
offered me one, and he said to me, I've just
stolen these off this guy over here. And so we
went around the bar and we handed them out to everyone,
and then we spent spent the night together like hanging out,
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and we bond more things, sealing more alcohol of people.
And then I went and I went home to my partner.
At that next day, we know and I said to
the mother and my children, I met the best guy
last night. I met the best freaking guy last night.
And this guy was a loose unit.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
I met a fellow mind sweeper and we just swept
away all night. It was great. Didn't pay for a
drink all night. Jesus, it was good finally as keen
as me not to buy drinks finally, and consumers many too.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
Yeah, yeah, but yeah, it's interesting the quality of your friendships.
And often think with my friends from high school, were
they the best people? Because I went to a school
where anyone that was expelled from another school could go to.
It was a sort of catchment school for the old
Targo reason. And I was saying, I was thinking, were
they the best people in the world that I met?
Or were they just I met them at the right time.
We're talking in the likes of Spooge and cast Donaldson.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Hey, look, I think luck plays such a big part
and all that sort of stuff, because I mean, if
you're born in a particular place where you end up
going somewhere for whatever reason. I mean, if Spooge, for example,
wasn't expelled for whatever he was expelled for, then he
wouldn't have ended up in the situation where you met him,
and you know, you've had a lifelong friendship with this guy.
Speaker 1 (08:22):
And it was formed. He was the funniest guy. He's
still to this day of the funniest person I've ever
ever met, And he was the first conversation I had.
I met Phil Spoonge We're calling that also known as
Prong in the class when I'd got like ninety eight
percent in a test and he got zero and he
was new to the school, and I tapped him on
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the shoulder and said, how thick are you? How can
anyone be that thick? And he said, I fell asleep.
I slept through the exit and I said, oh, that
makes sense. And then we went to the touch shop
together after the class and have been like inseparable ever since.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
Was that at the time when he was essentially flatting
by himself while he was at school?
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Yeah, and so, and every party in the school was
at his flat because he was the only person that
had a flat. That's the dream, isn't it? And so
it's hard for him to stay awake in class. Have
you been up all night with everyone? Like every millimeter
of the Florida's flat had a kid that was staying
there at his house. You know, everyone just used to
sleep on the floor there.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
I can imagine parents like where we're going to stay
going around to Phil's house?
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Ye didn't my parents didn't my parents, I'm staying at
Phil's house. You've met Phil. He's nice, isn't he? He's
lovely and they go, yeah, because he's was such a
polite person to parents. But we didn't mention that his
parents lived in Queenstown and he flatted by himself, but
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also his parents. Who saves their kid to flat? But
how about this, about this fulfhill he slept right through
the year and got zero in a bunch of tests
and then got scholarships and his when he actually sat
for the exams, when he actually spent even this is
the thing about that guy even spent thirty seconds thinking
about the testing scholarship. But if he if he was
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asleep and it did very poorly sleep.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
I would have liked the old system, the old the
older system, the news system.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
The internal assessment was not his friend. No, you got
to there were some people that have been massively disadvantage
of that that. You know, the sprinters, Yeah, the sprinters,
the marathon runners are very well catered for in schools now. Yeah,
But there was a skill the sprinter. Yeah, because I
was all through year. I used to work quite hard
at school and I'd go through and I was interested
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in tests, and I quite enjoyed school, and I was
going along, you know, doing all these things all year.
They didn't mean ship at the end of the year.
You got the sprinter, you got you got spooch. Yeah,
the last one hundred meters. He just screams past me.
Back back in the day.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
Am I right in thinking fifth form had the test
at the end, seventh form did as well. Yeah, but
sixth form was that thing where you were.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Assesster and yeah, sixth form was the full year of
internet assistment. So if I could go back, I would
say I prefer just the sprint at the end.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
I think I do as well.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
As it was, it was always a possibility that, no
matter how badly things had been going all year, you
had the opportunity, even until the last day before the
before the exam, to maybe do okay, yeah, you know,
if you really did enough or you studied the right things.
But with the sixth form, when those that year twelve
just that you know you could have got you just
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had to reply yourself for such a long period time.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
So hard at sixteen, Yeah, yeah it is.
Speaker 2 (11:31):
Yeah, it's so hard to be consistent at that age.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Yeah, that's true. And I guess they're trying to reward
that the consistency. But yeah, I think a lot of
things in life. Because when I went to university, I
didn't get in the lectures I used to sit at university.
My alarm was set at twelve thirty after lunch, so
I'd go down for lunch.
Speaker 3 (11:49):
You needed to quadron.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
Yeah, yeah, he was school see just completely. I don't
think school see had any internal assessment. A sixth form
was all into assessment, and then bursary was a bit
of both. Yeah, it had a little bit of both,
which is actually the most sensible way to do it.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
Can we ever break and when we come back, I
want to ask you a question about parenting. Jeremy and
Jeremy and we're back. I've got a conundrum about parenting
because as a parent, you tell your kids that every
year is really important, and you really hype up the
exams and you hype up everything, and you say that
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their firth form, their fourth form, fifth form, sixth form
is really important. Arguably only the seventh form is important,
you know what I mean. And then by the time
they get to this seventh form, university entrance exams and such,
you've been telling them that this is so important because
as a parent you can't let them. I think you're
thinking is that you don't want them to slip.
Speaker 2 (12:48):
Behind good habits. But I think we get caught out lying.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
And I think a lot of a lot of kids
when they hit year thirteen, not seventh form, year thirteen,
they get there and they go you told me that
the fifth WAE exams are important, and you told me this,
the year twelve exams are important, and you know, I mean,
they're a bit wise to you bullshit.
Speaker 2 (13:07):
But then the problem is they go to university and
then you realize that you think, oh, this is important
because this is a degree, and I'm paying a whole
lot of money for the lesson. And then you, like me,
and realized that didn't matter either, and then really cares.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
You follows you agreed and going to a job, and
then no one even asks for your degree, And if
you like me, you didn't even get it out of
the I didn't go to my graduation at university.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
But I mean, how far do you want to extend that?
I mean, you get to the interview life and you think,
well that nothing really mattered in the end. I mean,
nothing matters, does it. It's interesting at the moment because
I've started the substack at the moment, and that gives
you numbers on how many people are reading your articles.
And I'm just saying that three thousand people have read
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my first article on the substack.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
Done, that's pretty good.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Well, I have two thousand and two point ninety seven
thousand people have read it. And now I'm suddenly like, ah,
that now this feels like each Now now every article
I write feels like an exam again, I'm like, I
got it. You know you you can buy into those
numbers pretty pretty pretty easily.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Are you writing one a week?
Speaker 3 (14:12):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (14:12):
Writing one a week. I'm going to release them. I'm thinking,
when would you really read an article? Because I was
thinking because I released the first one last week. I
think I released it on on Tuesday last week, but
I think he Sunday morning, day open, Sunday morning, if
you wake up and you had, like in an article,
I'm putting a lot of different into them, got video
on them and that kind of stuff in the second one.
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But Sunday morning, I think I'd get up on it
and get up and get it in a Sunday morning.
Speaker 2 (14:36):
And then that gives you the whole week as well.
I mean, you can read you have to read it
on a Sunday, but I think Sundays are good. Sunday's
a good day. It's good day.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Does it?
Speaker 3 (14:44):
Does it land as an email? Is that how most
people are going to get it? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (14:48):
Yeah, you subscribe and it comes through as an email.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Hold on hold.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
People check their emails.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Again, I don't check my emails on the weekend.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
Do you check your emails on the weekend? Read it?
Speaker 3 (14:57):
I might. I might actually check them on a Sunday morning,
to be ho, because Saturday is normally our crazy day
when I just let most things slide.
Speaker 2 (15:04):
But most people, I think, who are corporate people I
know are checking their emails all the time, even on
the weekends. But I wonder whether it's just habit.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
But the great thing about running something like the substack
is that you see the exact numbers, you can you
can ride them. I quite like that. I quite like
the idea of seeing what works and doesn't work in
real time and you can change it because you run
it yourself.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
Yeah, it's not the way radio works, No, We've got
it works like that. We can see the exact numbers
of people that downloaded, well, that was.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
That was the most My substack is Matt Heath dot
substack dot com. If you want to sign up subscribe
to it. It's free or there's a paid model as well,
but mainly the paid models just basically give me money
to motivate me to do it. Not much five dollars
a month. But anyway, it was really interesting when we
started the ACC because we'd all done radio, you know,
and then we started the ACC and that was on
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iHeartRadio and so we had the exact numbers of people
were listening. So we started our very first, our very
first broadcast in the caravan. You'll remember it, yes, just Napier.
I've just written about it, and the the a SEC Almanac.
We go through that that that you know, and there's
like a rundown of the conversation before it started where
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I remember you quite clearly said one thing we've got
to get right as the ball boy ball and then
and at that point we had no idea what we
were going to do apart from that, I mean, I
we were sending around. We had that meeting before the
first oneever said okay, we get good ball by ball
and there was no talk about the content. But anyway,
we got into the caravan and there were zero people.
There was zero people listening when we started. Yeah, there
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was zero, zero people heard the first few minutes yep.
And then by the end of the summer there were like,
we've had a couple of million streams, like a couple
of million.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
I think the first I feel like the first one
was we had two thousand people or something.
Speaker 1 (16:47):
By the end of the game, we'd had two thousand,
which was amazing. We couldn't believe it. We had two thousand.
We thought, we've cracked the code. This is freaking amazing.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
And then the next one we got like it went four,
and then the next one went six. Kept growing, it
actually kept growing, and it was.
Speaker 1 (17:02):
Weird because at that point it was a novelty when
we started, and it was really fun. But it was
interesting how quickly we found out that we'd come across
something that was good, like, yeah, people liked and it
was an accident, really, I mean, you and Gulane put
it together, and that was a great idea having an
alternative commentary because we weren't I guess happy with some
of the radio commentary, but also mainly we wanted to
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go to the grounds and you know whatever. But it
just so happened that the crew that you got together
in the sport of cricket just melded so well for
what we wanted to do. It was weird.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
I knew, I reckon. I knew after the first drinks break,
and when we were doing that one, I didn't know
if it was going to work before then, and then
I knew after the first drink, but I thought this works.
I was so that was good works.
Speaker 1 (17:54):
That was the most nervous I've ever been for anything
doing that acc even though there were no listeners, because
I was a fraud. I didn't know anything about cricket,
and I didn't know at that point that it didn't
matter that I knew anything. Didn't know anything about cricket,
and and quickly the way it developed I could lean
into just talking about I mean, I know a bit
of about cricket. I love cricket and watching it my
whole life. You know, played it at intermediate in high
school and probably school, loved it, loved it. But I
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didn't have the knowledge that say you do or or
g Lane does.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
Do you guys remember that I was really name was
Yeah twenty fourteen and Ape.
Speaker 1 (18:26):
Park and so I I was so nervous because I'd
never had imposters and Rome on the same level, but
I really wanted to be involved. I'm so glad you
guys invited me because I don't know what my life
would have been like without it. It's been so much fun.
But just how quickly I reckon buy that drinks break
as well, I thought, Oh, there's a place for me
in this Yeah. And after that, I just felt so
comfortable because I was like, Oh, I can just talk
(18:47):
about cricket and other stuff and yeah, And that was
the revelation, because there's so much time in cricket that
you could talk about other stuff. Yeah, I reckon.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
I'm now, as I get older and do more broadcasting,
the more I think about it, the more I think
there's a particular rhythm and to any broadcast, and when
you find the right rhythm, it becomes listenable in one
way or another. And if you just have to find
the rhythm in your own head and the rhythm with
the other people around you, and if it follows a
(19:17):
particular rhythm, it will work and it will and people listen.
And that I just immediately went, oh, this rhythm works.
Here is this sounds like a broadcast because.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
We'd all listen to broadcasts so so much that we
knew how to speak, even if we were saying different things.
Speaker 2 (19:31):
Yeah, and then everybody was coming in at the right time,
and I was like, Oh, this is a good and
there's a good combination of people with all kinds of
different that bringing difference. Every person brought different things. I
was like, Ah, this works, this totally works.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
And what was brilliant for with me because I guess
because me and Joe Jury, who's a SEC, we went
to a lot of cricket games together, like we'd go
and watch cracket beforehand, and so what it was for
me was you guys were doing the commentary and it
was like me and Joe Jury having our conversations that
we'd have in the stands, but in the rhythm of cricket.
So kind of like those great moments you'd heard in
(20:04):
test matches in the Plunket Shield growing up, because I
still listen to a lot of Plunket Shield and just
the person going, is that a vanilla ice cream that
young girls eating? That looks good, doesn't it? You know?
As you know, and then and then the description of
what was happening. It was such a great rhythm. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Someone said the other day something interesting about companionship, and
I think that was a big thing about radio cricket commentary.
It's companionship.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
Yeah, it is, isn't it. It's companionship because I think
that's what it was like for me when I was
growing up, because I was growing up on the farm
that was miles away from anywhere, and it was I
remember my childhood been quite quiet because because it was
just it was on a farm, you know, it was
so silent. And when I go and visit even Danita now,
but when i'd go back and visit my parents, it
would hurt your ears. Hos quiet it was. And so
(20:52):
just having cricket playing all the time. And then you know,
and he used to be on free too television. You
walk through the lounge and cricket would be on, and
you'd have it on the on the Transis radio. It was.
It was You're so right, it was companionship. Companionship.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
But I think so much of audio audio broadcasting as companionship.
I mean, I'd be interested to know what people how
they listen to this podcast. Whether this is considered companionship
for people people listen to it. I listened to some
podcasts before I go to bed, Yeah, and I now,
I now it's quite intimate.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
Yeah, I was an intimacy. I listened to the Agenda
podcast when I'm not on it at the gym, and
it's like I'm hanging out with Manya and g Lane.
I'm just sitting there on the gym, lay in the gym,
like in a machine, and it's like I'm part of
the conversation. I'm just sitting there because it's right in
my ears and no one else can hear it. But
it's two people talking, and so yeah, it's like you
(21:43):
can transport a conversation with you if Yeah, I mean
because people listening to this right now obviously because their
podcast is quite successful, it'd be interesting if they, yeah,
how they experience it.
Speaker 2 (21:54):
So you've got some stats on that particular game, Router, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (21:57):
Well, funnily enough, I do. I do remember that game
because it wasn't long after Corey Anderson, Corey Corey Corey
Corey Corey Corey Anderson got that quick one hundred against
the Western.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
First on the scene, and this was a.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
Game when we've gone quite sol Can Williamson got seventy
one off eighty eight. Ross Taylor got fifty.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
We came up with the name stead the Ship Williamson
and that first that first morning.
Speaker 3 (22:20):
That's right, and Corey Anderson smashed four sixers sixty eight
off forty balls.
Speaker 1 (22:27):
We started in such a good spot for New Zealand cricket,
didn't we And we won?
Speaker 3 (22:31):
Yeah, yeah, So we got two ninety two for seven
and there got two sixty eight all out. Verapp got
one hundred and twenty three.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
That's right. We rode such we rode that roade such
a wave hot because then next year coming into the
Cricket World Cup and cricket actually grew exponentially as we grew.
Expect a good time.
Speaker 2 (22:51):
As as look at those New Zealand players, Carlin.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
And I'm worried for the future of Test cricket and
New Zealand in one day cricket in New Zealand just because
of the incentives so different now for a cricket player,
you know, so ruder. When you heard of the ACC
and you first started listening to it, did you fucking
hate us?
Speaker 3 (23:09):
I personally didn't hate it. I was I was a
bit ambivalent. I was like, ah, it's funny to listen to,
but I heard so many people that were traditional cricket
watches and listeners that did fucking hate it. And we're like,
I'm never gonna listen to those guys. Why would I
waste my time? If I just wanted to hear people
talk shit, I would just watch the cricket and put
(23:31):
something else on, because that's basically what these guys are doing.
Speaker 2 (23:34):
Yeah, yeah, well that's what we had to be. We
had to be hated by some people. Yeah, to be
by some other people.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
We had to be different. We had to be the
alternative option, which we were. We were alternative as opposed
to you know, the mainstream.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
But I remember you guys very heavily involved around that
twenty fifteen World Cup and that game was Grant Elliott
eat Eden part Yeah, and there was you know, there's
all those clubs are smoothy and grand Elliott Superman. But
for some weird reason, the ones that I saw more
were just you guys yelling was distorted.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
Stone to Elliott. Yeah, I mean it was the one
thing that we bought as well, just to blow smoke
up our own ass. Was just pure fandom, so we
never ran down. I mean, you know, you and Gelane
played cricket to a risthmly high level, but I was
terrible at cricket, so I wasn't in a position to
question whether someone was good enough to be in the
team or any of those kind of things. And we
(24:34):
came to it as fans. So the one thing we
did have, and at that time in cricket got into
this really negative stage where we're basically our commentators on
TV and on radio, we're just they were like anti
our team. All the commentary was just basically lecturing them
and telling them off. Ex players just telling the team
off constantly, and that's no fun. I mean, I watched
(24:56):
the Dodgers a lot of days, and they own their
own commentary team and as a result, their commentary team
that travels around all the games is the same commentary
team and they are very obviously, very pro their team.
And then when you get into the playoffs you have
the national commentators that come in and it's so different.
You start to get really fucked off because they actually
(25:17):
telling you the truth rather than you're like, well, of
the turtle, Yeah, this guy is amazing. And now you're
telling me he's got major problems in his swing.
Speaker 2 (25:25):
It's very siloed, you know. I think the same thing
happens with the Warriors, to be honest. Yeah, with the
New Zealand commentary versus the Australian commentary, people get really
wound up about that.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:33):
Now you talk about the negativity that was around the
team at that point, because that was about eighteen months
after Ross Taylor had been dropped as captain and then
mcillum took over. Yeah, and all that stuff went on
in Sri Lanka and people were hating on Mike, blamed
Mike Keson.
Speaker 1 (25:47):
For it all.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
Yeah, and a lot of traditional commentators were very I
now remember it. We're very negative about it at that point.
And we went and got forty five in South Africa
and everyone's like told, yeah, Ross didn't want to go.
This is McCullum's fault.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
Yeah, And the problem with that situation as we look
back now, as Ross Taylor wasn't his turn to be Kepden,
it was, it was Brendan. They got it wrong when
they put home on Great New Zealand to Ross Taylor.
Love them, credible batsman, great tongue, but it wasn't his turn,
and so they kind And the thing is that Mike
Essen and and because I mean I grew up with
(26:26):
Mike Keessen and the mccallums were I mean, they knew
each other obviously. They're from South Dunedin, both of them.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
You know, it always happens when when people end up
in national sports seems they bring the people. It happens
in any work situation at the people that they know
around them.
Speaker 1 (26:40):
Are picking Dog Roll as his captain. You want to
have someone that you can have a partnership and you
know you don't have to develop it. You you know
that you're on the same page. Didn't make sense, but anyway, okay,
then all right, then have a good weekend. A lot
of people would have not found that podcast like Companions
in the Air when they just you were, the three
(27:01):
of us just winking each other off. Really super companion.
Speaker 3 (27:04):
You're not as sad about that game? As I look
at the scorecard, Jesse riders in the team. Then what
a waste? What a waste? I thinks, Yeah, he was
a waste of telling great player, got great rider play.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
Remember we went down to the bay over and we
saw him and he was still playing club cricket, you know,
smashing around.
Speaker 3 (27:21):
He loved cricket.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
It's sutually a real tragedy that his mindset wasn't right
for interessial cricket, but his genetics and his skill level
belore a few totally. Just a beautiful time with the ball. Incredible.
All right, then, all right, shove that up your ass. Hello,
I'm Matt Heath. You have been listening to the Matt
and Jerry Daily Bespoke podcast. Right now you can listen
(27:44):
to our Radio Highlights podcast, which you will absolutely get
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all those great things. It really helps myself and Jerry
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(28:05):
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Anyway you seem busy, I'll let you go. Bless blessed, blessed,
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