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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello friends, It's Matt Heath and I've started a substack
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Speaker 2 (00:32):
Bless, bless, bless.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Okay, I'm just going to find the sub boys and
then we can just you guys can just go.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
It's good busy.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
That is the eighteenth of September twenty twenty four. Welcome
to the sixth last Daily Bespoke podcast with me on it.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
What are you talking about? What are you talking about?
The sixth to last daily Bespoke podcast.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Well, I don't know if you're listening to the met
Jury Show today, but there was a big announcement in
at eight fifteen that I'm leaving the met and Jury Show,
and partner passer with leaving the meton Jury Show as
I get kicked off the Daily Bespoke podcast as well.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Your hold on, You're leaving the Menton Jury Show, You're
leaving the Daily Could you at least have told me
give me heads up?
Speaker 3 (01:41):
I mean, I really look blind the beef curtain here.
But this is quite a weird way to find out
for a lot of people. Because I know a lot
of people just listen to our podcast Daily bespokely what
so this is quite an abrupt way to start the
podcast listeners.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
I should actually say something nice, should I?
Speaker 5 (01:54):
Oh, you don't have to.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
I'm leaving the Meton Jerry Show and Daily Bespoke Podcast.
We've been doing the show for ten years eleven, I
found out, and it's been the best job I ever
had and ever. I love you guys, and it's been
freaking amazing and got a big lump in my throat,
and uh, you know, all good things come to an end. Unfortunately, Yeah,
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they just do.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
It's weird because you think that they're not. Yeah, sometimes
I don't. I thought that they weren't.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
If it means anything. You know, there was you know,
I generally looked at the rest of my life and thought,
I'd be quite happy to sit here and press his
buttons for you to the day I die.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
I know that could be quite quite happy doing that.
I would have probably been quite heavy. I would have
been quite happy to do that as well. Just just
do the Daily Bespoke podcast. And you know, there was
a point in my life where I thought, boy, how
good would it be to only do the daily Spoke podcast?
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Great?
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Thanks, Yeah, just just to do the podcast.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
It's very cathartic.
Speaker 5 (02:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
It's great being able to say whatever you want, whenever
you want, Yeah, for as long as you want. Yeah,
And it's great him people around you who are open
to you talking about anything, and you can go anywhere
with it.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
It's really been one of our biggest successes really, this podcast.
We you know, one of the biggest podcasts in the
country with this, but we're not one of the biggest
radio stations radio shows in the country. No, it's interesting
as that podcast has been as outsized.
Speaker 5 (03:24):
Success.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Is it like to me? I can't Is it wrong
that I view this as a therapy session? Like I
kind of view this podcast as a therapy session. Yeah, well,
you can really say anything, and then I'll sometimes you
come up with an idea and that idea might be
absolute shit and will be shot down in a in
a hurry by everyone else. And sometimes you'll say something
and then everyone saying, yeah, that's true. I have thought
(03:47):
about that. But it's an open forum. God, it's nice
having a truly one hundred percent open forum where you
can say anything and do anything. That's what this has been.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Yeah, it is, isn't it. It's interesting because it's like
that you kind of can and can't do that on
them broadcast, between the ads and stuff. You know, you
can't just sort of go on with no plan and
then slowly feel it out over twenty minutes and finally
find out the reason for it at the end. I
remember we did this podcast once and it was about
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that time I shared my pants and I wanted to
share it because I was embarrassed about it, and I
shared it over the podcast over half an hour, and
my dad listened to it and he goes, oh, I
love loved how typical, the.
Speaker 5 (04:28):
Only one he's ever listened to. Be listened to that one.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
And my girlfriend listened to as well, and she goes, oh, babe,
did you shoot your pants? So I didn't know she
hadn't didn't know. But anyway, at the end, he goes,
so well structured, and how you just brought it background
from the start to the finish, and how it all
all played out, and the meaning you found in that
moment when you and the crew started bringing in philosophy,
and it's like, no, we were just feeling out a
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mere culpa really to myself around the shedding of my pants.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
I don't think you guys will ever give yourself enough credit.
You know, you two of what you do and how
you go stand together behind microphones.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
So I think it's like.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
As yours your father put there is what comes so
natural to you guys does not others. And I think
that's why people have resonated with you for so many years,
is that people could listen to you guys talk to
each other for hours.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
But Mesh, I think you're you're selling yourself short as well,
because I mean so many people say to me, geez,
that guy. When I was his age, I just would
not have been able to talk like he does on
here so comfortably and in the way you hold your
own with a couple of experienced broadcasters. I love how
I was described as an experience broadcaster, like leaving as
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an experience not a great broadcaster.
Speaker 5 (05:48):
Experience.
Speaker 6 (05:49):
Experience means good though, because if you're if you, if
you're an experienced lover, it's good. Well, if you're good
to be an experienced love it, yeah, I mean if
you're good enough to keep your job broadcasting for yeah,
for as long as you have, then you if you're
experienced enough to last eleven years, then you're good.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
I always feel like I'm getting away with it, Like
I'm always feeling like someone's going to work it out
at some point that that I'm running a scam, Like
I'm doing that show Game of Two Halves, and I've
done so many TV shows. I'm like, why do people
keep asking me to do TV shows that they not
know about what I was like on the last show
I did?
Speaker 2 (06:25):
You know? When do you have that thought when you're
actually standing on the panel, when the cameras are rolling
and you're thinking, why am I doing what?
Speaker 1 (06:32):
I mean, I'm happy to do it because I'm happy
to be part of the scam. I'm I'm happy to
be running the film flam involves me getting paid to
be immedia, so I don't I don't feel bad about it,
but I just still look around and go, is there
something I don't know going on?
Speaker 5 (06:47):
Here? Is this?
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Because why have they got me in to do another show?
Speaker 3 (06:52):
Like?
Speaker 5 (06:52):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (06:53):
I mean, I guess that's what everyone has, that's the
post imposter syndrome.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
But who doesn't happen anyone even meet anyone who doesn't
have imposter syndrome. Because I didn't have.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
It, I think you'd be you might be Maybe they're
the worst people in the world that don't have impostas them.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Yeah. I deserve to be here. I deserve one hundred percent.
This was my destiny. I was always going to be here.
I'm owed this, yeah, and I'm owed more. Who actually
thinks like that?
Speaker 5 (07:18):
I think some people do think they're owed more.
Speaker 7 (07:21):
I can think of someone, you know, the story I
told you the other day about the guy with the
that works over there.
Speaker 5 (07:26):
Oh yeah, yeah, that guy.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
But oh wow, yeah, I think I think yeah, because
that that turns into resentment. Because if you have imposter syndrome,
you're grateful. You're grateful, so you're always grateful. You're grateful
for anyone. You're greated that you haven't been rumbled yet.
Speaker 5 (07:40):
Yeah, and so you're just always grateful for the great.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
So grateful for the time I've had on the Mat
and Jerry Breakfast Show, because I always felt like a treat,
like a gift that had been given to me. But
if I felt like I was owed it, I'd probably
be resentful because I wasn't getting enough from it or
or something. But if you always feel like you're below
what you're doing, even though you give it your best,
and you and you and you feel like you have
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moments where you achieve, and you definitely look at yourself
and go, well, you know that's great, and you especially
you know the times you have with other people and
as a group, how well you're doing. But but you've
always got in the back of your head, I am
freaking lucky to be here. And I think that's that's
as much as we run down in poster syndrome.
Speaker 5 (08:22):
Maybe, and poster syndrome's a good thing.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Lean into it. I suppose that is a thing of
thinking that you're lucky. But I mean that has to
be something that goes back all the way to the
beginning of your existence because you're lucky to exist. Yeah,
I mean humanity is like you to exist.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
I mean, they've worked out the numbers, and I'm not
sure quite how they work out the numbers because it
seems to be a zero sum equation, but that where
it's like, what is it one on fourteen trillion chants
that you are who you are?
Speaker 5 (08:54):
Is that you know?
Speaker 1 (08:55):
You know that that that Gordy just is feeling the
way is at night and angry at listening to Mary
deek I just granting about the All Blacks performance and
he tries to console himself and the arms of a.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Good woman.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Just at that moment, and then that particular was brewing
in his testicles at the point looks up with Susie's
egg at that point, and then you create, you create
the genius that is that is mashed. But maybe Gordy
needed to take a ship at that point. And then
and he goes upstairs and then it's a totally different
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sliding doors future.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
And when do you go back to I mean, yeah,
that's the original moment for you. And then going back
to Gordy and the fact that he even met sexy
saucy Susie, Yeah, I mean it censure, Susie.
Speaker 5 (09:53):
Yeah, I mean, yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Like a piece of luck there, just very lucky. I
didn't buy an ice cream at one point when he
was going to Yeah, you know as a kid, you know,
it goes all the way back.
Speaker 5 (10:03):
So, yeah, you're so right, Jeremy.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
You've got to be grateful and lucky that you're even here,
because most people don't get him to get the spark
of life. They don't even get to be people, and
we have. And then you are lucky enough to be
in a position to feed yourself and not be in
some horrific war zone. And you're lucky enough to then,
(10:25):
on top of that, have gainful employment, and then you
start getting on to the point where you've got a
job that you love. Yeah, and then but we still
walk around hoping to win lotto or hoping to have
more and more.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's been such a great eleven years.
It has been so good, So much has happened. It's
kind of it's flown by can you boys here?
Speaker 3 (10:53):
Maybe you can't, But I walked in on you guys
off here after that, so I would actually say this,
go and have a listen. Today's radio show highlights if
you don't usually it was a great show. But in
the last hour we kind of met you. You made
the announcement and we sheared our thoughts on it, and
it will try to anyway because it was quite quite
fresh for a lot of us. But you guys were
talking about the story of the very first time the
managery show.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
You two work together. Can we talk about that? The inception,
how it came out. Well, there was a crazy piece
of life. Yeah, that's what I wanted to talk about it. Further,
is it an even crazier piece of like Because the
original reason that Matt came to Radio Hodaki was because
of nothing to do with him. In a sense. It
was the fact that Ian Stables, who was broadcast, used
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to be on Zidim. He was booked to be the
host of the Drive show on radio. They hired him
to be the Drive show. He was on his way
up to do his first show and he was at
an airport. He got another altercation with someone, I think
with the Jetstar counter. He ended up he ended up
being fired because the altercation was horrific. He ended up
(11:58):
being fired before he even did the first show. So
it was that weekend so then they put a call
through to Matt, who was doing a BFM show at
the time and student radio here in Auckland, would you
like to fill in for Ian Stables. Matt's like, I mean,
you are in an art over it, you won't necessarily
into it.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
I was from Dunedin, so Radiohadecky didn't mean what it
does to other people. I didn't really know the story
of it, so for me it just seemed like a
sort of a classic station. I sort of vaguely looked
into it, and then I started reading about it and go, oh,
this is fucking this is such a great story the station.
I mean, I knew about it, but you know, it's
a late arrival into Duneda, and like I was listening
(12:36):
to Radiophour XI, which coincidentally did feature the pd of
So I was actually quite incited to meet the PD
of Radiohudeckie because he had been on Fox I want.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
That's us simulation. So in the end you said, yes,
you come and do the drive show, and so you
came up to Radio Hicky.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
I was surprised that I am in art about it,
because at that point I thought like I was a
television producer. I was making all my staff. I still
thought I was going to maybe be a Hollywood director
or something. I had all these other plans. But also
I was going from things, but that wasn't really working out,
and I was sort of doing jobs I didn't want,
and so just to be offered that when they said
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how much they were going to pay me, and it
was going to be you know, I've always been a
gig thing. I'd always been like, oh, you've got six
weeks working on the show, six months at the most.
Speaker 5 (13:21):
So it was just and I.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
Had little kids or little kid and I was like, oh,
I would never have to worry about anything like hustling
for another job, because that's what you'd get one show
and then I have to get another commission. I was
getting another commission. I was, you know, traveling the world
doing all these kind of weird things. So that that
that's what really brought me up, brought me over. And
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then and then as soon as I got there, I
was like, Joe Jury started and Tim Batt was there,
and Joe Jury started, and imprev started, and then all
these people started coming around that I could deal with,
and it was buddy great. I'm so glad.
Speaker 5 (13:57):
God, imagine if I hadn't.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
I know, but you could have you definitely, I bet
you were arming and ring over it, and I reckon
it was a fifty to fifty cores for you whether
or not you do it, because part of you would be, oh,
I mean, can I do that every day? That seems
like a massive commitment.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
And it was giving up another part of my life
of trackling and doing these things and waiting for a
call to go and do something. But the mother and
my children at the time, she goes, what are you
freaking talking about? Just go and do it. Just if
you don't like it, quit and it was like, what
am I arming?
Speaker 2 (14:27):
And RB?
Speaker 1 (14:28):
Yeah, I mean I remember like after that, I remember
working and walking in to do my first show and
I was like I had speaking of imposta syndrome. I
literally had legitimate possibly there was. I was doing student
radio shows basically drunk, like basically drunk with twenty five
people in the room, with twenty minute breaks.
Speaker 5 (14:45):
Cocktail out. It was like terrible cocktail corner.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Corner went for about forty minutes. It was a break
that went for forty minutes. It's just people. You could
hear people clinking glasses in the background and making drinks.
It was just a cast of many. It was great listening,
like you would start listening to it and there was
but there would be there was a great stuff that
happened in the madness.
Speaker 5 (15:09):
Yeah. Yeah, And so it's a chaos theory. Yeah. But
that was very.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
Different from then going over to do a commercial radio
station nationwide.
Speaker 5 (15:18):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
And then the first show, like I thought, I was
walking in and I've told you the story before it,
I was like, I'm gonna have to get drunk to
do this, can't I'm so scared.
Speaker 5 (15:29):
So I'm scared.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
So I stopped off at this bottle store I remember,
the one that's the one that used to be super
station when you're walking down on the corner there, and
I went and I went in, and I went up
the street. I went up to the counter and I
was going to buy like a hip Plaska vodka and
drunk it before I arrived. And then I went great thinking,
and then I went, if I do that, I'll have
to do it every day because I'll never be That
will be the way I have to learn.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
To broadcast like a superstition. Almost.
Speaker 5 (15:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
But also I would never face the fear I could
just hide from it. And I went and I actually
he went to get it, and I went, actually, no, actually,
And then I walked down and walked and did the
first show and got a death threat or two from
death to this guy. We've got later called death threat Day.
But then I am. But at the end of the show,
I was so exhilarated. I was like, this is the best.
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It's a live show where you're trying to do the
best you can and it's all the dinky little parts
and you're creating content, and I was like, this is
the fricking greatest thing that in the world. It's so
much better than making a TV choke. You don't have
high actors and lights and location. Any idea you can
come up with, you can just do three minutes later
you can deliver that idea that you've just come up with. Yeah,
(16:37):
so freeing, I mean you had the same You must
have the same experience coming from television where it's like
spending a year to make six episodes and then it
goes out.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
The world doesn't change. I think the world's going to change.
You get all nervous about it, and then it goes
out and nothing changes. But then god, you did say
yused to that, because then that said a whole lot
of other things in motion, because then you started working
for Adio Headache, and then I think you suggest to
the boss at the time, maybe Jeremy should start working
at Radio Hurdeck, And then I started working at Radio
(17:06):
Hurdicky on the back of your recommendation. And then but
a time went by and then another piece of luck
ensued where the breakfast host who was doing the show.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Remember what, just going back one step, you and me
were at this bar, I think it was a zeppa
and Josh Heatherington was dejailing with little singles, and we'd
had quite a few beers beforehand, and you came up
to me and you were like, you know what, I
would consider doing a breakfast show, And I see as
I'd love to do a breakfast show, and we started
talking about that. That was quite a wee way out. So
the idea of it was like germinated.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Yes, but it was a big step because like I
believed in my head that to do a breakfast radio show,
how did you do a breakfast how do you get
to do a breakfast radio show? In those days. It
was a giant step between doing any other show and
doing a breakfast show.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
It still is, it's still and that there's even more
so now because there's so few of them. There's so
few positions, you know what I mean, Like there's not
you can't start off as an in the breakfast show.
Speaker 5 (18:09):
Now I move up to the big leagues.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
In Auckland, they just fired all those people and then
just had a bunch of wound as in Auckland broadcasting.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Yeah. Well, in my head I thought that just people
who do breakfast shows were always had were born doing
breakfast radio shows. But of course they do their first
show just like we did, and you know, they do
shows after a year or two years, and you know,
to still be doing it after eleven years. If someone
had said to me and you when we first did
our first show, after that first week, you know you're
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still going to be doing the show in eleven years,
I would have been like, you know, I don't think
that will be. If someone said, what's what do you
want to bet on you still doing the show in
eleven years, I would have said, no, I don't really
want to bet on that.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
It'd have been a huge success of it had gone
for three years yep. And then because because I think
I told you before, I think it was off here.
But when I first started Hideki, the people that have
been doing the breakfast show called the Pirates, they've done
it for fourteen years, and I was like, fourteen that's
a lifetime.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
There's a lifetime.
Speaker 5 (19:05):
That is a lifetime.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
And then coincidentally, I only found out today that I've
been doing Radiohotechy for fourteen years.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Years.
Speaker 5 (19:10):
So what are the freaking chances of Yeah?
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Not not high. Yeah, So should we take a break.
Speaker 5 (19:18):
Yeah, let's take it.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
Come back more of this crep.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
We've got some more some bitter content. Come back with
some more crap in my bad, with some more crap.
I've got more crap to talk about. Yeah, just talk
about ourselves a little bit.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
Have we talked about you on the Daily Bespoke podcast?
What you were up to next? Do you feel like
talking about that?
Speaker 2 (19:38):
I do.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
I just didn't want to talk about it too much
on here because I wanted it to be about the
met and Jerry Sean and Radio Hurdeche more than about
what I'm doing next. If you know what I mean.
It feels a little bit I feels a little bit disrespectful,
not at all celebrate where we are. I'm glad to
be where I am, and also kind of saying it
out loud makes it come true.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Come on, come on, this is come in. It's not
often we it's not often we get the boss of
the radio, the big Boss, isn't it bossive Radio? On
the podcast? You can finally actually add some you've been
criticizing this podcast for the longest time. You can actually
finally make it better. But actually being on it. Yeah, well, I.
Speaker 8 (20:19):
Thought you were going to say or actually just take
out the part.
Speaker 5 (20:26):
He's come to lead me out of the podcast.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
This is this is this is our boss. Welcome, thank you.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Yeah, and you've just come at the very second with
Jerry Cid. Are you going to say what you're doing next?
Speaker 2 (20:35):
And have we not announced it yet?
Speaker 5 (20:38):
We did announced it on ready.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
On the podcast. Yeah, do you want to do you
want to announce it? Are we sure what you're doing?
Speaker 5 (20:48):
Ift my job? I'm better be sure you'd have got
somebody go.
Speaker 8 (20:51):
I'm still waiting on the funding to come through on
the work Broads program.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
If you signed the contract, I'm just going through some
details around holidays, and.
Speaker 8 (21:01):
I say, though it is a difficult, very difficult business decision.
I know there's lots of business people who listen to
this podcast that again, this podcast is super successful. I'm
genuinely not just saying that it is super successful. And
matter you and I talked about could we actually keep
the podcast going and do the other bit, And at
that stage I went.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Holy moly, what a hard worker wanted to do both.
Speaker 8 (21:25):
Then I maybe thought it's slight brown nosing, but genuinely
we sat there and went, we're going to have to
sacrifice the podcast at this point, and Matt was very
humble and actually said, you know what, I'm sure we'll
find someone who he'll do it well and I'll help
them out whenever they need quote unquote.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Ah yeah, Well that doesn't surprise me. But I mean,
this is why this is such an interesting thing, and
because I mean, I'm embroiled in the middle of the
metten Jerry Show. Oviously, I'm ebroilering this podcast too. But
I'm also, more than anything a friend of Matt's, and
so for me, actually the most important thing is to
see your friend develop, and I reckon that this moved
(22:07):
go and work at news talk z B will be
a massive development in your life personally and professionally, and
it will be a great challenge for you. And I
think it's always good to have a new challenge. And
so whilst I think to myself selfishly, Okay, this is
going to be quite hard now because I'm going to
(22:27):
lose my co host and my friend, I'm genuinely happy,
genuinely happy for you because I think it will be
great for you. I really do think it'll be great
for you. I think I think it won't be great
for me. I really don't think it'd be great for
the show. But I'm genuinely because you're You're the show,
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you know, and so all of a sudden, to lose
that it will be completely different, and so it will
be tough for us. But at the same time, it's
just a challenge for us and we just have to
work through. We'll all have our challenges. But I'm genuinely stoked.
I think you'll be an amazing talk back host. I
think you'll be next level. You already follow every single
(23:08):
news that you've read, every news article that's ever been
written in the last twenty years, and it's all in
there you've got a photographic memory for it. You remember
details of stuff that I've never met anyone who's got
the insane encyclopedic knowledge that you've got around news and
current events. Also, you've always got a great opinion on stuff.
(23:29):
It's always an interesting angle. You're confident with your angle
if you are yourself, and you've got to now with
you're broadcasting where you're more you than you have ever been,
and that's the hardest thing to do because you expose yourself,
you know, massively.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
Yeah, I mean that's leaving at this point. It's hard
because I feel like we've finally cracked.
Speaker 5 (23:51):
It over the last couple of years.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
I feel like we.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
Finally cracked And that sounds crazy because if we've done
thousands of thousands of shows, but that thing you're talking about,
you've actually finally being who you actually are. It's for
some reason it's hard to do.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
God, it's hard. And I remember early on when I
first started on radio, Dallas Gurney said to me, you
just have to be yourself. If you can be yourself,
you will succeed in radio.
Speaker 5 (24:16):
That's what Jason won Stanley said in it just the
other day.
Speaker 8 (24:18):
But you know, I always think about this, and I've
talked about it with all of you at different times.
We come in here, and you guys expose yourself every
day to what you do. I always think it's the
personal and the private right, and I think, as someone
who listens to a lot of radio, I want to
hear the personal. I don't want to hear the private. Yep,
there are things that are super private, but the personal.
I expect you those hosts in radio who turn up
(24:40):
and don't give the personal or want to be very
guarded with it, like people just can't bond with them,
and even the wonderful man upstairs Hosking, you know, it
still brings a personal every day. There's always some quap
about something going on and is very relatable life. Again,
the personal is super important, but you read to pick
up on your thing. Who I think again, why I'm
(25:01):
so proud of Matt is a game. This is about evolutions,
you know what I mean, And that's important for all
of us. And I look at all of you in
this room who've evolved from other gigs, and radio is
one of those things. I always think of it like
a living dragon. It's always breathing that there's always fire
coming out at time, but it's always evolving. It never
stays the same. And that's with the music we play,
(25:21):
that's with the hosts we have on the air, that's
with our backroom stuff, and that's exciting and provides us challenges.
It's also sad when you've had a show like this,
it's been a legacy show on what is arguably New
Zealand's favorite radio brand, moving.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
On and changing.
Speaker 8 (25:36):
But I think that again, that change is also exciting
as much as there might be a bit more hard
work for you. And I mean, I've got about twelve
people on the phone here or I'm looking at possibly
joining you. Hell's Bears was number one. She's already texted
this morning saying no. I'm like, oh, that's good. Have
I was number two? He said, no, been there, done that?
Speaker 1 (25:58):
So yeah, yeah, Well, I think like that's one of
the reasons why I radio. Like so, I was just
looking at the text machine and all the people that's
texting through that have enjoyed the show. And boy radio
has a really personal you know, you talk about the
personal because it's right in people's ears. Like people get
excited about video and they get excited about all that
kind of stuff.
Speaker 5 (26:17):
But the reason why radio just.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Keeps burning when other burning on and growing when other
mediums aren't dying, and how podcasts have just grown up
is because of that sort of personal thing, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Because you straight into your ear holes, mate the picture,
and you talk so much you can't help but reveal
who you actually are amassively. But I think as well
because it goes words into your brain, and then as
a listener, you then create the pictures inside of your
own mind, which is so much more powerful than the
picture that the image that has created for you that
(26:47):
you then look upon. Yeah, it's quite interesting.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
And that hence the face for radio thing that was
for the longest time, you know, you'd go down to
sausages or for X so when you're a kid and
you'd finally see the guy that you've been listening to
and you're like, oh god, you're backing out of the
backing out of the car yard?
Speaker 5 (27:04):
Is that that guy?
Speaker 2 (27:05):
And how weird is it that people never look like
what they sound?
Speaker 8 (27:08):
And I always thought you was before I met you.
I always thought you sounded quite short, like I always
thought about you'd be quite sure. And then you're this.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Whoanky guy a jury is always taller than you expect,
even when you know he's always taller. Is this terrible
person to be a because you know you got like
Duo's like John and being there about the same. But
it's been a rough it's been.
Speaker 5 (27:32):
It's been eleven years of rough photos for me.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Rough. Yeah, it's interesting getting into people's lives and getting
and I think that thing that you said before stand
is very interesting about the personal and the private. And
I've never heard it put like that neither you should
that to both of you before clearly when clearly when I'm.
Speaker 5 (27:55):
Sometimes people aren't ready to listen, was exactly.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
But that's such an interesting part of it, and you
do have you give it a lot of yourself and that,
but but you want to like you want to, but
it's also got to be drawn out of you in
a funny way. Because if you turn up to radio
and you go, I'm blah blah blah bye aye aye
da da da da da da da da da, that's
really hard, like being in a studio yourself. Just talking
into a microphone into people's air holes one on one
is hard, but it's great when you've got a friend
(28:21):
with you, who can who knows you, who pulls bits
out about you, who asks questions which are often incredibly
pointed but reveal a huge amount, and then you can
say something back, and you're essentially just interviewing someone else
the whole time. And then the listeners get to hear
that because I reckon, you know, between Matt and I,
(28:41):
actually what people have, people have listened to and witnessed
or witness but through there being a part of through
listening is a is an evolving relationship, Like that's the
that's the thing. It's a it's actually an evolving relationship.
Our relationship's changed over eleven years. It changed just quite
a lot.
Speaker 8 (29:00):
Great though that I mean, I think this is the
other wonderful thing is we do, especially at Radiohodachi and
on this podcast, have a wonderful audience who enjoy that,
want to be part of it, interact with us. We
have we do pub quizes or whatever. They're there and
they love being part of it as well. And I
think that's also the part. When you do hang yourself
out there and say some things or reveal stuff about yourself,
(29:23):
you know, it's a secure place because you know the
audience is with you on that.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
You know, they're not.
Speaker 8 (29:27):
Always going to agree with you, but they again like
we'll have a laugh or again have an opinion on it,
and are there.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
With you, and you know, well you're in here. I mean,
NZ is a great company for supporting Men and Jerry
show for so long and allowing us to be who
we are, and then even now to go, oh, well,
you're interested in me developing in different ways, And I
mean that's not not every company is like that, you know, like.
Speaker 5 (29:52):
A lot of places would have shut the man Jerry
down to showdown for about three we try a company
like you should have should have.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
The fact that we've the fact that we've done it
for eleven years, and we will finish the show friends,
and there's zero animosity, happy for each other as such
a good result. Oh my god. I was terrified, to
be honest. I was terrified that one day some horrific
thing would happen. I'd have to leave, or you'd have
to leave in some cloud of controversy, and someone would.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
Be succeeded on I finally succeeded and you know, hooking
up with Tolsi or something.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
There was always a fear in the back of my mind,
and then for the rest of my life, I'd see
here and you would never forgive me, but I forgive me.
I'd be like, oh, no, you're on that right.
Speaker 8 (30:43):
We hire good people, and I don't. I don't mean
that to be contrite. I want good people with good
attitudes right from the top to the bottom, as does
our board in our CEO. Right, And you sit there
and go, We're not always going to have the most
amazing people, but as long as I've got a good attitude,
do you know what? And that's where I think everyone,
and all four of you in this room come with
a good attitude every day. And I know that sounds
so trite, and you shouldn't of course the boss going
(31:03):
to say that, but it makes a difference because you've
got to light the people you work with as well.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
I remember when I first started it, ready I had
to have told the story already today, I think. But Reggie,
who was the boss, he said, man, this is the
way it works. Either you will fire you and you'll
fucking hate us or on or you'll leave us and we'll.
Speaker 5 (31:19):
Fucking hate you. But it never ends well. But you've
got to enjoy it while you're here.
Speaker 9 (31:25):
It generally if someone has to move on or someone
leaves you, and if you're leaving for another if I
was leaving for another company, then it'll.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
Be very differently.
Speaker 5 (31:38):
Hit him out the door.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
You wouldn't have the lovely coordination that Jason's done for
for everything. I mean, you wouldn't have that, you would
have the smooth transition. You wouldn't have the media inside
a writing a beautiful article.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
You know what was going on, the media inside of
Shane carry.
Speaker 8 (31:53):
How can I just say one thing on this? So
this building is three floors at dB Towers, right, can
sound like it's really a lustrious It's.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Like a whole room.
Speaker 8 (32:04):
So basically, when Matt and I wanted to have a chat,
I was like, originally, like, it's glass everywhere. I can't
have a chat on this floor because I do on
this floor like you would see Jerry and go, why
am I not in that meeting with the boss and Matt?
Something going on here? Is this about to be the
met show? And then I thought, Okay, we'll do it
on the first floor.
Speaker 5 (32:25):
That's where the media inside.
Speaker 8 (32:28):
Walking in with the meeting of Matt, he goes hello.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
And he's right by the door of the media inside. Yes,
he is.
Speaker 8 (32:32):
So then we had to find this little room in
the back back area of level two and I rang
me and said, do you know where this room is?
He goes, no idea where this room?
Speaker 2 (32:40):
Come around behind eight jar finance and all that.
Speaker 8 (32:43):
Try to like hold your jacket over your head because
they'll all be watching.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
Anyway, we found in the room. It's quite a good room.
Good view. It's a beautiful room.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
Actually, yeah, yeah, I feel like some terrible things have
happen there over the years, but it's a good room.
There's a few ghosts in there, but it's a good room.
Speaker 8 (32:57):
Yeah, bless that was Boxy.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
Thank you, thanks for coming in. I will find someone
good though. Yeah, well you will have to talk about that. Yes,
have you got a few ideas. I've got some ideas,
so I've got No, you haven't done the idea.
Speaker 8 (33:15):
I know, I got some ideas.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
Yeah, I got some ideas. Yeah. It's the tricky thing.
Speaker 5 (33:20):
You know, my bloody.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
Granddad's buried. It's going to be a completely different show.
That's the thing is this is completely different. One person
is the same, but it will be complete be completely
different differently, So that's that's that's going to be challenge. Yeah,
well he's easily slight hesitation there. Well, I was just
thinking there's been a few, but I answered I had
(33:47):
to think. But that's an honest answer. Yes, I mean
eleven years is a that's a long time. Seriously every morning,
and there's an intimacy that comes with doing radisho where
you come into this glass box and then you've got
to trust the person who you're with. You've got to
trust the ability of the other person when you chuck
them something that they can keep the ball in the
air all the time. And Matt can always keep the
ball in the air. There's no problem there, Jerry.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
You've talked about their things somehowsts you you know, you
play it to them and then they.
Speaker 5 (34:14):
Oh yeah, they slam it.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
Yeah. The exhibition game of tennis, which you're playing basically
exhibition tennis, so you go back and forward, your four hand,
back hands, sort of play it straight to them. You
play with some people and they're trying to work you
into the corners all the time, and then they're up
and you're trying to put it away. It's like, hold on,
we've only just started the point. We need to be
talking for another two minutes here, and you've tried to
put away a smash and it's like, no, there's a
time for the smash, and it's going to come in
(34:36):
another two minutes. Matt knows how to put away the smash.
He knows how to keep the ball in the air,
and he knows how to work the ball into the corners.
Sometimes occasionally he'll miss it completely, but you know, he
knows how to play exhibition tennis.
Speaker 8 (34:48):
Yeah, thank you for going away for a bit to
recover from this announcement.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
Recover. I'm going away with acc here G Lane on
my bose trip to Amsterdam and to Bloody Munich. I'm
going to come back. The issue is we're coming back
for one week and the last week of the Matt
and Jury Show from the thirtieth of September through to
the fourth of October. And I'm going to be coming
off the back of a six day, huge six a
(35:12):
bender with a massive Longhl flight coming up the back
of it. I'm going to be emotional. I get emotional
when i'm tired. Particularly, I'm going to be crying for
basically a week. I'm hopeless. I'm very sentimental. I can't
say anything that.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
Men, that's the best radio teas I've ever heard of,
a week of week of Jerry crying on a freaking
tune into that.
Speaker 8 (35:30):
Absolutely, congratulations, Matts, see you later.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
That's let's that's that's the Boss, the Boss of the
Boss Boss.
Speaker 3 (35:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
I feel like I should say something a little bit
more genuine just the end day, like for the just
the daily bespokey dokey saying.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
Oh yeah, because.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
This is the most this podcast is the broadcast that
we do. I think we might have already said this,
but it might time not in the whole thing, but
it's the it's the it's the bookcast we were most
just being for mates.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
Can I also just say, before you do this to
the bespoking dookies, is the things that you've done? I
know this is sound, this sounds actually quite nap, but
how hard you've put the podcast means a lot to you.
In fact, I think it probably means the most to
you in terms of all the things that you've done.
Speaker 5 (36:15):
Maybe here a radio.
Speaker 3 (36:17):
I love the podcast so many times, you love the control.
Since I've been here has just tried to be you know,
shut down or less or more different things change and
stuff like that. But every day, the given is that
you always want to do a great podcast and you
always want to make sure that it's going out to
the people that listen, and the bespoking dookies really are
the people that love you the most. And it's going
to be absolutely fucking gutted right now as we all are.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
Yeah, but you guys will still be with them, you know,
and a little bit of that, and I'll be in
the radio show. I'm actually quite looking forward to being
just like a person that has a radio show that
drives in to work listening to you guys.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
Up with your kids in the morning.
Speaker 5 (36:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:58):
Oh that's quite an emotional thought.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
Yeah, I mean, unfortunately they grew massive in the interim.
I missed the whole bit we actually get up and
make them breakfast and actually you know, put their backpack
on and seend them off to score.
Speaker 5 (37:09):
I missed all of that.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
But thank you for what you've done now.
Speaker 5 (37:12):
It's fantastic.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
Well you do, Mash, it was phenomenal, Like you run
the cutter on on on it. It's bloody and bloody
impressive and you too, ruder and yeah, and thank you
for all your lovely words.
Speaker 5 (37:24):
Today, Jerry.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
You know when when I was reading out that bit
about you Jeremy on the live broadcast, Boy, it's hard
to actually just sit and say what you really mean
to a friend. I mean, you can say that to
a lover, but to a friend, and I just think,
you know, you know.
Speaker 5 (37:43):
What I said there.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
I basically at one point I said I love you, man,
and and I just think that's something that we all
need to remember, not just on these goodbye occasions, to actually,
you know, say that to our mates. Yeah, actually say
those things that you feel. And it's just on these
big moments you say them, but you if you can
actually go to that deeper level with your friends on
(38:05):
a more regular basis, I think life would be it
would be better.
Speaker 7 (38:08):
Can I peel back the curtain a little bit as well?
You talk about life being like living in a simulation,
and I don't think it's been said, but yesterday you
and Jerry both said to me and Matt separately, hey, guys,
can we have a little coffee after the after the show.
And you'd suspect that something is up because we saw
(38:30):
you guys having meetings before we went and had this
coffee meeting. But then men mash We're like, what the
fuck is going on? And then I thought, well, it
can't be that big because we're in the middle of
a public place. There's some guy over there just on
his phone. You know, it's just going to media inside something.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
Who is the media insider, who's that anxieties everywhere? It's
just going to be something small.
Speaker 7 (38:52):
And so basically in the space of twenty four hours,
we've obviously been turned quite upside down.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
I didn't think about that. It must be interesting for
you guys, because.
Speaker 7 (39:02):
It's been a heck of a ride and it was
a very you know, it was very emotional.
Speaker 5 (39:07):
And I feel about that. There was there was there.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
Was as being signed everywhere.
Speaker 2 (39:12):
And.
Speaker 3 (39:14):
I'm not surprised there's nobody being held there.
Speaker 5 (39:16):
Don't you worry about that.
Speaker 1 (39:17):
Yeah, there's lots of moving parts and all that kind.
Speaker 7 (39:21):
Of actually sent me a message this morning when he
was on his way and going, Wow, big day, and
I just said, I actually feel sick in my stomach
because I could feel the butterflies and I knew it
was coming, but I managed to kind of hold it together,
and I just wanted to pay tribute to a couple
of people managed to kind of hold it together through
(39:44):
your through your speech this morning, your wounded, as you said,
that was the word I was trying to find because.
Speaker 5 (39:50):
The one thing.
Speaker 7 (39:53):
Hopefully prepared wounded, because the one thing that struck me
from what you said, Maddie was.
Speaker 2 (39:59):
When you started your mum was alive.
Speaker 7 (40:01):
Yeah, and it's a year today since my dad died.
Speaker 5 (40:07):
Oh, and I've been building up to a week.
Speaker 7 (40:09):
Oh and so like seeing that coming like a fucking
freight train a week and then yesterday happens, and that
was and then what you said, and I was like.
Speaker 2 (40:19):
Simulation, simulation. I wonder, when Matt Tonian is you look
you really looked. You look quite shocked. Oh, you know,
I could see you were processing a lot of stuff.
There's a lot of emotion going on. I wonder, sorry
for not being across down.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
But it is funny because, like you know, with your
father passing and my mum and all the different things
and kids coming into the world and all the stuff
that people go through. That's what when you're on a
job this long and this close to each other, boy,
you do live people's.
Speaker 5 (40:51):
Ups and downs, ay you?
Speaker 1 (40:52):
Oh yeah, because when my mom died and I just
came into had to come into work because my dad said,
go to work before you come down. And then and then,
I mean, that's a lot to lay on someone to
come and just go, oh hey, Jerry, my my my
mum died last night. So just so you know, oh, yeah,
(41:13):
that was that was intense. I remember that well, it
was the old studio. It must have been the first
year that we were doing on maybe it was the
second year.
Speaker 2 (41:21):
Was it?
Speaker 5 (41:22):
Wow?
Speaker 2 (41:22):
But I was like, wow, man, the commitment of this guy.
I remember Laura and I say, no, you definitely don't
want to come in. You're like, no, I need to come.
I'm going to don't come. What are you talking about?
Speaker 1 (41:34):
I think that sometimes, if I could go back, I
would have been not so committed in some occasions. I
mean I didn't go on certain holidays because I knew
it was an important time for the show and we
needed to be working on our numbers for something.
Speaker 5 (41:44):
And I look back and.
Speaker 1 (41:44):
Go then you'd get a survey result that was like
you don't even know what it meant. Like, I mean,
I wouldn't say ever to not be as committed as
we all are, but I mean I think, Jerry, you've
got a term.
Speaker 5 (41:56):
It's sustainable.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
I mean it's and you know you're going forward as
in a young a young broadcaster. MESSI it's not that day,
it's that week and that month and that year. Yeah,
is the show. It's not like an episode of a
TV show. It's a it's a year of a radio show.
So you got to take the holidays, and you gotta,
you know, take the days off, and you gotta, I
(42:19):
don't know, you gotta got to think about the big
picture because that one show is not the difference. No,
one week is not the difference.
Speaker 2 (42:25):
No, it's not. But yeah, I remember that day, and
I remember the thing that I was amazed because I
originally you weren't there for the beginning part of it,
and I remember we called you and you were. I
just remember for the first time I spoke to you,
you were. You seem like you were so distant and
massively in shock. I'll never forget it. And I thought
(42:48):
to myself, and this is this is the worst. But
I thought to myself, hold on, you're not even here
on time, and you sound like you're not even apologetic
because I didn't know at that stage that you mama died,
and I was fair enough Jesus. He doesn't seem like
he gives a ship. He's not even in here.
Speaker 5 (43:05):
Maybe maybe, maybe maybe I'm open with a bit of anology.
Speaker 2 (43:11):
That's terrible. And then and then I don't know if
you see anything until you got in. I think you
got it wasn't until you got in that you see
what had happened. And I was and Laura and I
are like, oh my god, no, You've got to go home.
You're like, no, no, I've got to do the show.
It's important for me that I've got to do this.
Speaker 1 (43:27):
So you went from he kind of be fun coming
in and saying sorry, and he's not saying something about
it till he's going to go through.
Speaker 3 (43:34):
I'm just gonna message so much. Ben.
Speaker 5 (43:36):
Yeah, Men, same too, Men. Camp.
Speaker 1 (43:39):
There was there was there was before Mash, and then
there was Mash and it was like you it was
like it was like you'd been there the whole time.
You just you just slipped in with us so seamlessly.
Speaker 5 (43:52):
It was like.
Speaker 1 (43:55):
So kind, we were just like always because we've had
a lot of people, but you were just that, you
were just there. It was like the first day you
were on it was like you've been there for ten years,
you know, and it's still as well.
Speaker 3 (44:04):
Thank you mate. Well, I love you, and then we'll
be back in a week and a half, won't we.
Speaker 5 (44:08):
Yeah, all right then enough self sourcing Jesus. All right,
you've seem busy.
Speaker 1 (44:11):
We'll that you go.
Speaker 5 (44:12):
Love you, Love you all, Thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (44:14):
Love you mate, Love you particularly bespoke you donkies, You're
the best of us, all right, Love you boys, Love
you mate.
Speaker 5 (44:21):
Hello, I'm Matt Heath.
Speaker 1 (44:22):
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Speaker 3 (00:34):
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then we can just you guys can just go.
Speaker 4 (00:56):
It's good busy.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
That is the eighteenth of September twenty twenty four. Welcome
to the sixth last Daily Bespoke podcast with me on it.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
What are you talking about? What are you talking about?
The sixth to last daily Bespoke podcast.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Well, I don't know if you're listening to the met
Jury Show today, but there was a big announcement in
at eight fifteen that I'm leaving the met and Jury Show,
and partner passer with leaving the meton Jury Show as
I get kicked off the Daily Bespoke podcast as well.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
Your hold on, You're leaving the Menton Jury Show, You're
leaving the Daily Could you at least have told me
give me heads up?
Speaker 3 (01:41):
I mean, I really look blind the beef curtain here.
But this is quite a weird way to find out
for a lot of people. Because I know a lot
of people just listen to our podcast Daily bespokely what
so this is quite an abrupt way to start the
podcast listeners.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
I should actually say something nice, should I?
Speaker 5 (01:54):
Oh, you don't have to.
Speaker 1 (01:55):
I'm leaving the Meton Jerry Show and Daily Bespoke Podcast.
We've been doing the show for ten years eleven, I
found out, and it's been the best job I ever
had and ever. I love you guys, and it's been
freaking amazing and got a big lump in my throat,
and uh, you know, all good things come to an end. Unfortunately, Yeah,
(02:23):
they just do.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
It's weird because you think that they're not. Yeah, sometimes
I don't. I thought that they weren't.
Speaker 3 (02:28):
If it means anything. You know, there was you know,
I generally looked at the rest of my life and thought,
I'd be quite happy to sit here and press his
buttons for you to the day I die.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
I know that could be quite quite happy doing that.
I would have probably been quite heavy. I would have
been quite happy to do that as well. Just just
do the Daily Bespoke podcast. And you know, there was
a point in my life where I thought, boy, how
good would it be to only do the daily Spoke podcast?
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Great?
Speaker 1 (02:48):
Thanks, Yeah, just just to do the podcast.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
It's very cathartic.
Speaker 5 (02:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
It's great being able to say whatever you want, whenever
you want, Yeah, for as long as you want. Yeah,
And it's great him people around you who are open
to you talking about anything, and you can go anywhere
with it.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
It's really been one of our biggest successes really, this podcast.
We you know, one of the biggest podcasts in the
country with this, but we're not one of the biggest
radio stations radio shows in the country. No, it's interesting
as that podcast has been as outsized.
Speaker 5 (03:24):
Success.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Is it like to me? I can't Is it wrong
that I view this as a therapy session? Like I
kind of view this podcast as a therapy session. Yeah, well,
you can really say anything, and then I'll sometimes you
come up with an idea and that idea might be
absolute shit and will be shot down in a in
a hurry by everyone else. And sometimes you'll say something
and then everyone saying, yeah, that's true. I have thought
(03:47):
about that. But it's an open forum. God, it's nice
having a truly one hundred percent open forum where you
can say anything and do anything. That's what this has been.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Yeah, it is, isn't it. It's interesting because it's like
that you kind of can and can't do that on
them broadcast, between the ads and stuff. You know, you
can't just sort of go on with no plan and
then slowly feel it out over twenty minutes and finally
find out the reason for it at the end. I
remember we did this podcast once and it was about
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that time I shared my pants and I wanted to
share it because I was embarrassed about it, and I
shared it over the podcast over half an hour, and
my dad listened to it and he goes, oh, I
love loved how typical, the.
Speaker 5 (04:28):
Only one he's ever listened to. Be listened to that one.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
And my girlfriend listened to as well, and she goes, oh, babe,
did you shoot your pants? So I didn't know she
hadn't didn't know. But anyway, at the end, he goes,
so well structured, and how you just brought it background
from the start to the finish, and how it all
all played out, and the meaning you found in that
moment when you and the crew started bringing in philosophy,
and it's like, no, we were just feeling out a
(04:55):
mere culpa really to myself around the shedding of my pants.
Speaker 3 (05:01):
I don't think you guys will ever give yourself enough credit.
You know, you two of what you do and how
you go stand together behind microphones.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
So I think it's like.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
As yours your father put there is what comes so
natural to you guys does not others. And I think
that's why people have resonated with you for so many years,
is that people could listen to you guys talk to
each other for hours.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
But Mesh, I think you're you're selling yourself short as well,
because I mean so many people say to me, geez,
that guy. When I was his age, I just would
not have been able to talk like he does on
here so comfortably and in the way you hold your
own with a couple of experienced broadcasters. I love how
I was described as an experience broadcaster, like leaving as
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an experience not a great broadcaster.
Speaker 5 (05:48):
Experience.
Speaker 6 (05:49):
Experience means good though, because if you're if you, if
you're an experienced lover, it's good. Well, if you're good
to be an experienced love it, yeah, I mean if
you're good enough to keep your job broadcasting for yeah,
for as long as you have, then you if you're
experienced enough to last eleven years, then you're good.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
I always feel like I'm getting away with it, Like
I'm always feeling like someone's going to work it out
at some point that that I'm running a scam, Like
I'm doing that show Game of Two Halves, and I've
done so many TV shows. I'm like, why do people
keep asking me to do TV shows that they not
know about what I was like on the last show
I did?
Speaker 2 (06:25):
You know? When do you have that thought when you're
actually standing on the panel, when the cameras are rolling
and you're thinking, why am I doing what?
Speaker 1 (06:32):
I mean, I'm happy to do it because I'm happy
to be part of the scam. I'm I'm happy to
be running the film flam involves me getting paid to
be immedia, so I don't I don't feel bad about it,
but I just still look around and go, is there
something I don't know going on?
Speaker 5 (06:47):
Here? Is this?
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Because why have they got me in to do another show?
Speaker 3 (06:52):
Like?
Speaker 5 (06:52):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (06:53):
I mean, I guess that's what everyone has, that's the
post imposter syndrome.
Speaker 2 (06:59):
But who doesn't happen anyone even meet anyone who doesn't
have imposter syndrome. Because I didn't have.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
It, I think you'd be you might be Maybe they're
the worst people in the world that don't have impostas them.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
Yeah. I deserve to be here. I deserve one hundred percent.
This was my destiny. I was always going to be here.
I'm owed this, yeah, and I'm owed more. Who actually
thinks like that?
Speaker 5 (07:18):
I think some people do think they're owed more.
Speaker 7 (07:21):
I can think of someone, you know, the story I
told you the other day about the guy with the
that works over there.
Speaker 5 (07:26):
Oh yeah, yeah, that guy.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
But oh wow, yeah, I think I think yeah, because
that that turns into resentment. Because if you have imposter syndrome,
you're grateful. You're grateful, so you're always grateful. You're grateful
for anyone. You're greated that you haven't been rumbled yet.
Speaker 5 (07:40):
Yeah, and so you're just always grateful for the great.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
So grateful for the time I've had on the Mat
and Jerry Breakfast Show, because I always felt like a treat,
like a gift that had been given to me. But
if I felt like I was owed it, I'd probably
be resentful because I wasn't getting enough from it or
or something. But if you always feel like you're below
what you're doing, even though you give it your best,
and you and you and you feel like you have
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moments where you achieve, and you definitely look at yourself
and go, well, you know that's great, and you especially
you know the times you have with other people and
as a group, how well you're doing. But but you've
always got in the back of your head, I am
freaking lucky to be here. And I think that's that's
as much as we run down in poster syndrome.
Speaker 5 (08:22):
Maybe, and poster syndrome's a good thing.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
Lean into it. I suppose that is a thing of
thinking that you're lucky. But I mean that has to
be something that goes back all the way to the
beginning of your existence because you're lucky to exist. Yeah,
I mean humanity is like you to exist.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
I mean, they've worked out the numbers, and I'm not
sure quite how they work out the numbers because it
seems to be a zero sum equation, but that where
it's like, what is it one on fourteen trillion chants
that you are who you are?
Speaker 5 (08:54):
Is that you know?
Speaker 1 (08:55):
You know that that that Gordy just is feeling the
way is at night and angry at listening to Mary
deek I just granting about the All Blacks performance and
he tries to console himself and the arms of a.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
Good woman.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
Just at that moment, and then that particular was brewing
in his testicles at the point looks up with Susie's
egg at that point, and then you create, you create
the genius that is that is mashed. But maybe Gordy
needed to take a ship at that point. And then
and he goes upstairs and then it's a totally different
(09:38):
sliding doors future.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
And when do you go back to I mean, yeah,
that's the original moment for you. And then going back
to Gordy and the fact that he even met sexy
saucy Susie, Yeah, I mean it censure, Susie.
Speaker 5 (09:53):
Yeah, I mean, yeah, that's right.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Like a piece of luck there, just very lucky. I
didn't buy an ice cream at one point when he
was going to Yeah, you know as a kid, you know,
it goes all the way back.
Speaker 5 (10:03):
So, yeah, you're so right, Jeremy.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
You've got to be grateful and lucky that you're even here,
because most people don't get him to get the spark
of life. They don't even get to be people, and
we have. And then you are lucky enough to be
in a position to feed yourself and not be in
some horrific war zone. And you're lucky enough to then,
(10:25):
on top of that, have gainful employment, and then you
start getting on to the point where you've got a
job that you love. Yeah, and then but we still
walk around hoping to win lotto or hoping to have
more and more.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's been such a great eleven years.
It has been so good, So much has happened. It's
kind of it's flown by can you boys here?
Speaker 3 (10:53):
Maybe you can't, But I walked in on you guys
off here after that, so I would actually say this,
go and have a listen. Today's radio show highlights if
you don't usually it was a great show. But in
the last hour we kind of met you. You made
the announcement and we sheared our thoughts on it, and
it will try to anyway because it was quite quite
fresh for a lot of us. But you guys were
talking about the story of the very first time the
managery show.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
You two work together. Can we talk about that? The inception,
how it came out. Well, there was a crazy piece
of life. Yeah, that's what I wanted to talk about it. Further,
is it an even crazier piece of like Because the
original reason that Matt came to Radio Hodaki was because
of nothing to do with him. In a sense. It
was the fact that Ian Stables, who was broadcast, used
(11:37):
to be on Zidim. He was booked to be the
host of the Drive show on radio. They hired him
to be the Drive show. He was on his way
up to do his first show and he was at
an airport. He got another altercation with someone, I think
with the Jetstar counter. He ended up he ended up
being fired because the altercation was horrific. He ended up
(11:58):
being fired before he even did the first show. So
it was that weekend so then they put a call
through to Matt, who was doing a BFM show at
the time and student radio here in Auckland, would you
like to fill in for Ian Stables. Matt's like, I mean,
you are in an art over it, you won't necessarily
into it.
Speaker 1 (12:15):
I was from Dunedin, so Radiohadecky didn't mean what it
does to other people. I didn't really know the story
of it, so for me it just seemed like a
sort of a classic station. I sort of vaguely looked
into it, and then I started reading about it and go, oh,
this is fucking this is such a great story the station.
I mean, I knew about it, but you know, it's
a late arrival into Duneda, and like I was listening
(12:36):
to Radiophour XI, which coincidentally did feature the pd of
So I was actually quite incited to meet the PD
of Radiohudeckie because he had been on Fox I want.
Speaker 2 (12:47):
That's us simulation. So in the end you said, yes,
you come and do the drive show, and so you
came up to Radio Hicky.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
I was surprised that I am in art about it,
because at that point I thought like I was a
television producer. I was making all my staff. I still
thought I was going to maybe be a Hollywood director
or something. I had all these other plans. But also
I was going from things, but that wasn't really working out,
and I was sort of doing jobs I didn't want,
and so just to be offered that when they said
(13:13):
how much they were going to pay me, and it
was going to be you know, I've always been a
gig thing. I'd always been like, oh, you've got six
weeks working on the show, six months at the most.
Speaker 5 (13:21):
So it was just and I.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
Had little kids or little kid and I was like, oh,
I would never have to worry about anything like hustling
for another job, because that's what you'd get one show
and then I have to get another commission. I was
getting another commission. I was, you know, traveling the world
doing all these kind of weird things. So that that
that's what really brought me up, brought me over. And
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then and then as soon as I got there, I
was like, Joe Jury started and Tim Batt was there,
and Joe Jury started, and imprev started, and then all
these people started coming around that I could deal with,
and it was buddy great. I'm so glad.
Speaker 5 (13:57):
God, imagine if I hadn't.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
I know, but you could have you definitely, I bet
you were arming and ring over it, and I reckon
it was a fifty to fifty cores for you whether
or not you do it, because part of you would be, oh,
I mean, can I do that every day? That seems
like a massive commitment.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
And it was giving up another part of my life
of trackling and doing these things and waiting for a
call to go and do something. But the mother and
my children at the time, she goes, what are you
freaking talking about? Just go and do it. Just if
you don't like it, quit and it was like, what
am I arming?
Speaker 2 (14:27):
And RB?
Speaker 1 (14:28):
Yeah, I mean I remember like after that, I remember
working and walking in to do my first show and
I was like I had speaking of imposta syndrome. I
literally had legitimate possibly there was. I was doing student
radio shows basically drunk, like basically drunk with twenty five
people in the room, with twenty minute breaks.
Speaker 5 (14:45):
Cocktail out. It was like terrible cocktail corner.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Corner went for about forty minutes. It was a break
that went for forty minutes. It's just people. You could
hear people clinking glasses in the background and making drinks.
It was just a cast of many. It was great listening,
like you would start listening to it and there was
but there would be there was a great stuff that
happened in the madness.
Speaker 5 (15:09):
Yeah. Yeah, And so it's a chaos theory. Yeah. But
that was very.
Speaker 1 (15:13):
Different from then going over to do a commercial radio
station nationwide.
Speaker 5 (15:18):
Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
And then the first show, like I thought, I was
walking in and I've told you the story before it,
I was like, I'm gonna have to get drunk to
do this, can't I'm so scared.
Speaker 5 (15:29):
So I'm scared.
Speaker 1 (15:29):
So I stopped off at this bottle store I remember,
the one that's the one that used to be super
station when you're walking down on the corner there, and
I went and I went in, and I went up
the street. I went up to the counter and I
was going to buy like a hip Plaska vodka and
drunk it before I arrived. And then I went great thinking,
and then I went, if I do that, I'll have
to do it every day because I'll never be That
will be the way I have to learn.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
To broadcast like a superstition. Almost.
Speaker 5 (15:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:52):
But also I would never face the fear I could
just hide from it. And I went and I actually
he went to get it, and I went, actually, no, actually,
And then I walked down and walked and did the
first show and got a death threat or two from
death to this guy. We've got later called death threat Day.
But then I am. But at the end of the show,
I was so exhilarated. I was like, this is the best.
(16:15):
It's a live show where you're trying to do the
best you can and it's all the dinky little parts
and you're creating content, and I was like, this is
the fricking greatest thing that in the world. It's so
much better than making a TV choke. You don't have
high actors and lights and location. Any idea you can
come up with, you can just do three minutes later
you can deliver that idea that you've just come up with. Yeah,
(16:37):
so freeing, I mean you had the same You must
have the same experience coming from television where it's like
spending a year to make six episodes and then it
goes out.
Speaker 2 (16:45):
The world doesn't change. I think the world's going to change.
You get all nervous about it, and then it goes
out and nothing changes. But then god, you did say
yused to that, because then that said a whole lot
of other things in motion, because then you started working
for Adio Headache, and then I think you suggest to
the boss at the time, maybe Jeremy should start working
at Radio Hurdeck, And then I started working at Radio
(17:06):
Hurdicky on the back of your recommendation. And then but
a time went by and then another piece of luck
ensued where the breakfast host who was doing the show.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Remember what, just going back one step, you and me
were at this bar, I think it was a zeppa
and Josh Heatherington was dejailing with little singles, and we'd
had quite a few beers beforehand, and you came up
to me and you were like, you know what, I
would consider doing a breakfast show, And I see as
I'd love to do a breakfast show, and we started
talking about that. That was quite a wee way out. So
the idea of it was like germinated.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
Yes, but it was a big step because like I
believed in my head that to do a breakfast radio show,
how did you do a breakfast how do you get
to do a breakfast radio show? In those days. It
was a giant step between doing any other show and
doing a breakfast show.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
It still is, it's still and that there's even more
so now because there's so few of them. There's so
few positions, you know what I mean, Like there's not
you can't start off as an in the breakfast show.
Speaker 5 (18:09):
Now I move up to the big leagues.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
In Auckland, they just fired all those people and then
just had a bunch of wound as in Auckland broadcasting.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
Yeah. Well, in my head I thought that just people
who do breakfast shows were always had were born doing
breakfast radio shows. But of course they do their first
show just like we did, and you know, they do
shows after a year or two years, and you know,
to still be doing it after eleven years. If someone
had said to me and you when we first did
our first show, after that first week, you know you're
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still going to be doing the show in eleven years,
I would have been like, you know, I don't think
that will be. If someone said, what's what do you
want to bet on you still doing the show in
eleven years, I would have said, no, I don't really
want to bet on that.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
It'd have been a huge success of it had gone
for three years yep. And then because because I think
I told you before, I think it was off here.
But when I first started Hideki, the people that have
been doing the breakfast show called the Pirates, they've done
it for fourteen years, and I was like, fourteen that's
a lifetime.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
There's a lifetime.
Speaker 5 (19:05):
That is a lifetime.
Speaker 1 (19:06):
And then coincidentally, I only found out today that I've
been doing Radiohotechy for fourteen years.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Years.
Speaker 5 (19:10):
So what are the freaking chances of Yeah?
Speaker 2 (19:13):
Not not high. Yeah, So should we take a break.
Speaker 5 (19:18):
Yeah, let's take it.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
Come back more of this crep.
Speaker 1 (19:20):
We've got some more some bitter content. Come back with
some more crap in my bad, with some more crap.
I've got more crap to talk about. Yeah, just talk
about ourselves a little bit.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
Have we talked about you on the Daily Bespoke podcast?
What you were up to next? Do you feel like
talking about that?
Speaker 2 (19:38):
I do.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
I just didn't want to talk about it too much
on here because I wanted it to be about the
met and Jerry Sean and Radio Hurdeche more than about
what I'm doing next. If you know what I mean.
It feels a little bit I feels a little bit disrespectful,
not at all celebrate where we are. I'm glad to
be where I am, and also kind of saying it
out loud makes it come true.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
Come on, come on, this is come in. It's not
often we it's not often we get the boss of
the radio, the big Boss, isn't it bossive Radio? On
the podcast? You can finally actually add some you've been
criticizing this podcast for the longest time. You can actually
finally make it better. But actually being on it. Yeah, well, I.
Speaker 8 (20:19):
Thought you were going to say or actually just take
out the part.
Speaker 5 (20:26):
He's come to lead me out of the podcast.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
This is this is this is our boss. Welcome, thank you.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Yeah, and you've just come at the very second with
Jerry Cid. Are you going to say what you're doing next?
Speaker 2 (20:35):
And have we not announced it yet?
Speaker 5 (20:38):
We did announced it on ready.
Speaker 2 (20:41):
On the podcast. Yeah, do you want to do you
want to announce it? Are we sure what you're doing?
Speaker 5 (20:48):
Ift my job? I'm better be sure you'd have got
somebody go.
Speaker 8 (20:51):
I'm still waiting on the funding to come through on
the work Broads program.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
If you signed the contract, I'm just going through some
details around holidays, and.
Speaker 8 (21:01):
I say, though it is a difficult, very difficult business decision.
I know there's lots of business people who listen to
this podcast that again, this podcast is super successful. I'm
genuinely not just saying that it is super successful. And
matter you and I talked about could we actually keep
the podcast going and do the other bit, And at
that stage I went.
Speaker 2 (21:21):
Holy moly, what a hard worker wanted to do both.
Speaker 8 (21:25):
Then I maybe thought it's slight brown nosing, but genuinely
we sat there and went, we're going to have to
sacrifice the podcast at this point, and Matt was very
humble and actually said, you know what, I'm sure we'll
find someone who he'll do it well and I'll help
them out whenever they need quote unquote.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
Ah yeah, Well that doesn't surprise me. But I mean,
this is why this is such an interesting thing, and
because I mean, I'm embroiled in the middle of the
metten Jerry Show. Oviously, I'm ebroilering this podcast too. But
I'm also, more than anything a friend of Matt's, and
so for me, actually the most important thing is to
see your friend develop, and I reckon that this moved
(22:07):
go and work at news talk z B will be
a massive development in your life personally and professionally, and
it will be a great challenge for you. And I
think it's always good to have a new challenge. And
so whilst I think to myself selfishly, Okay, this is
going to be quite hard now because I'm going to
(22:27):
lose my co host and my friend, I'm genuinely happy,
genuinely happy for you because I think it will be
great for you. I really do think it'll be great
for you. I think I think it won't be great
for me. I really don't think it'd be great for
the show. But I'm genuinely because you're You're the show,
(22:47):
you know, and so all of a sudden, to lose
that it will be completely different, and so it will
be tough for us. But at the same time, it's
just a challenge for us and we just have to
work through. We'll all have our challenges. But I'm genuinely stoked.
I think you'll be an amazing talk back host. I
think you'll be next level. You already follow every single
(23:08):
news that you've read, every news article that's ever been
written in the last twenty years, and it's all in
there you've got a photographic memory for it. You remember
details of stuff that I've never met anyone who's got
the insane encyclopedic knowledge that you've got around news and
current events. Also, you've always got a great opinion on stuff.
(23:29):
It's always an interesting angle. You're confident with your angle
if you are yourself, and you've got to now with
you're broadcasting where you're more you than you have ever been,
and that's the hardest thing to do because you expose yourself,
you know, massively.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
Yeah, I mean that's leaving at this point. It's hard
because I feel like we've finally cracked.
Speaker 5 (23:51):
It over the last couple of years.
Speaker 2 (23:53):
I feel like we.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
Finally cracked And that sounds crazy because if we've done
thousands of thousands of shows, but that thing you're talking about,
you've actually finally being who you actually are. It's for
some reason it's hard to do.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
God, it's hard. And I remember early on when I
first started on radio, Dallas Gurney said to me, you
just have to be yourself. If you can be yourself,
you will succeed in radio.
Speaker 5 (24:16):
That's what Jason won Stanley said in it just the
other day.
Speaker 8 (24:18):
But you know, I always think about this, and I've
talked about it with all of you at different times.
We come in here, and you guys expose yourself every
day to what you do. I always think it's the
personal and the private right, and I think, as someone
who listens to a lot of radio, I want to
hear the personal. I don't want to hear the private. Yep,
there are things that are super private, but the personal.
I expect you those hosts in radio who turn up
(24:40):
and don't give the personal or want to be very
guarded with it, like people just can't bond with them,
and even the wonderful man upstairs Hosking, you know, it
still brings a personal every day. There's always some quap
about something going on and is very relatable life. Again,
the personal is super important, but you read to pick
up on your thing. Who I think again, why I'm
(25:01):
so proud of Matt is a game. This is about evolutions,
you know what I mean, And that's important for all
of us. And I look at all of you in
this room who've evolved from other gigs, and radio is
one of those things. I always think of it like
a living dragon. It's always breathing that there's always fire
coming out at time, but it's always evolving. It never
stays the same. And that's with the music we play,
(25:21):
that's with the hosts we have on the air, that's
with our backroom stuff, and that's exciting and provides us challenges.
It's also sad when you've had a show like this,
it's been a legacy show on what is arguably New
Zealand's favorite radio brand, moving.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
On and changing.
Speaker 8 (25:36):
But I think that again, that change is also exciting
as much as there might be a bit more hard
work for you. And I mean, I've got about twelve
people on the phone here or I'm looking at possibly
joining you. Hell's Bears was number one. She's already texted
this morning saying no. I'm like, oh, that's good. Have
I was number two? He said, no, been there, done that?
Speaker 1 (25:58):
So yeah, yeah, Well, I think like that's one of
the reasons why I radio. Like so, I was just
looking at the text machine and all the people that's
texting through that have enjoyed the show. And boy radio
has a really personal you know, you talk about the
personal because it's right in people's ears. Like people get
excited about video and they get excited about all that
kind of stuff.
Speaker 5 (26:17):
But the reason why radio just.
Speaker 1 (26:18):
Keeps burning when other burning on and growing when other
mediums aren't dying, and how podcasts have just grown up
is because of that sort of personal thing, isn't it.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Because you straight into your ear holes, mate the picture,
and you talk so much you can't help but reveal
who you actually are amassively. But I think as well
because it goes words into your brain, and then as
a listener, you then create the pictures inside of your
own mind, which is so much more powerful than the
picture that the image that has created for you that
(26:47):
you then look upon. Yeah, it's quite interesting.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
And that hence the face for radio thing that was
for the longest time, you know, you'd go down to
sausages or for X so when you're a kid and
you'd finally see the guy that you've been listening to
and you're like, oh god, you're backing out of the
backing out of the car yard?
Speaker 5 (27:04):
Is that that guy?
Speaker 2 (27:05):
And how weird is it that people never look like
what they sound?
Speaker 8 (27:08):
And I always thought you was before I met you.
I always thought you sounded quite short, like I always
thought about you'd be quite sure. And then you're this.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Whoanky guy a jury is always taller than you expect,
even when you know he's always taller. Is this terrible
person to be a because you know you got like
Duo's like John and being there about the same. But
it's been a rough it's been.
Speaker 5 (27:32):
It's been eleven years of rough photos for me.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Rough. Yeah, it's interesting getting into people's lives and getting
and I think that thing that you said before stand
is very interesting about the personal and the private. And
I've never heard it put like that neither you should
that to both of you before clearly when clearly when I'm.
Speaker 5 (27:55):
Sometimes people aren't ready to listen, was exactly.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
But that's such an interesting part of it, and you
do have you give it a lot of yourself and that,
but but you want to like you want to, but
it's also got to be drawn out of you in
a funny way. Because if you turn up to radio
and you go, I'm blah blah blah bye aye aye
da da da da da da da da da, that's
really hard, like being in a studio yourself. Just talking
into a microphone into people's air holes one on one
is hard, but it's great when you've got a friend
(28:21):
with you, who can who knows you, who pulls bits
out about you, who asks questions which are often incredibly
pointed but reveal a huge amount, and then you can
say something back, and you're essentially just interviewing someone else
the whole time. And then the listeners get to hear
that because I reckon, you know, between Matt and I,
(28:41):
actually what people have, people have listened to and witnessed
or witness but through there being a part of through
listening is a is an evolving relationship, Like that's the
that's the thing. It's a it's actually an evolving relationship.
Our relationship's changed over eleven years. It changed just quite
a lot.
Speaker 8 (29:00):
Great though that I mean, I think this is the
other wonderful thing is we do, especially at Radiohodachi and
on this podcast, have a wonderful audience who enjoy that,
want to be part of it, interact with us. We
have we do pub quizes or whatever. They're there and
they love being part of it as well. And I
think that's also the part. When you do hang yourself
out there and say some things or reveal stuff about yourself,
(29:23):
you know, it's a secure place because you know the
audience is with you on that.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
You know, they're not.
Speaker 8 (29:27):
Always going to agree with you, but they again like
we'll have a laugh or again have an opinion on it,
and are there.
Speaker 1 (29:34):
With you, and you know, well you're in here. I mean,
NZ is a great company for supporting Men and Jerry
show for so long and allowing us to be who
we are, and then even now to go, oh, well,
you're interested in me developing in different ways, And I
mean that's not not every company is like that, you know, like.
Speaker 5 (29:52):
A lot of places would have shut the man Jerry
down to showdown for about three we try a company
like you should have should have.
Speaker 2 (30:02):
The fact that we've the fact that we've done it
for eleven years, and we will finish the show friends,
and there's zero animosity, happy for each other as such
a good result. Oh my god. I was terrified, to
be honest. I was terrified that one day some horrific
thing would happen. I'd have to leave, or you'd have
to leave in some cloud of controversy, and someone would.
Speaker 1 (30:25):
Be succeeded on I finally succeeded and you know, hooking
up with Tolsi or something.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
There was always a fear in the back of my mind,
and then for the rest of my life, I'd see
here and you would never forgive me, but I forgive me.
I'd be like, oh, no, you're on that right.
Speaker 8 (30:43):
We hire good people, and I don't. I don't mean
that to be contrite. I want good people with good
attitudes right from the top to the bottom, as does
our board in our CEO. Right, And you sit there
and go, We're not always going to have the most
amazing people, but as long as I've got a good attitude,
do you know what? And that's where I think everyone,
and all four of you in this room come with
a good attitude every day. And I know that sounds
so trite, and you shouldn't of course the boss going
(31:03):
to say that, but it makes a difference because you've
got to light the people you work with as well.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
I remember when I first started it, ready I had
to have told the story already today, I think. But Reggie,
who was the boss, he said, man, this is the
way it works. Either you will fire you and you'll
fucking hate us or on or you'll leave us and we'll.
Speaker 5 (31:19):
Fucking hate you. But it never ends well. But you've
got to enjoy it while you're here.
Speaker 9 (31:25):
It generally if someone has to move on or someone
leaves you, and if you're leaving for another if I
was leaving for another company, then it'll.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
Be very differently.
Speaker 5 (31:38):
Hit him out the door.
Speaker 1 (31:39):
You wouldn't have the lovely coordination that Jason's done for
for everything. I mean, you wouldn't have that, you would
have the smooth transition. You wouldn't have the media inside
a writing a beautiful article.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
You know what was going on, the media inside of
Shane carry.
Speaker 8 (31:53):
How can I just say one thing on this? So
this building is three floors at dB Towers, right, can
sound like it's really a lustrious It's.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
Like a whole room.
Speaker 8 (32:04):
So basically, when Matt and I wanted to have a chat,
I was like, originally, like, it's glass everywhere. I can't
have a chat on this floor because I do on
this floor like you would see Jerry and go, why
am I not in that meeting with the boss and Matt?
Something going on here? Is this about to be the
met show? And then I thought, Okay, we'll do it
on the first floor.
Speaker 5 (32:25):
That's where the media inside.
Speaker 8 (32:28):
Walking in with the meeting of Matt, he goes hello.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
And he's right by the door of the media inside. Yes,
he is.
Speaker 8 (32:32):
So then we had to find this little room in
the back back area of level two and I rang
me and said, do you know where this room is?
He goes, no idea where this room?
Speaker 2 (32:40):
Come around behind eight jar finance and all that.
Speaker 8 (32:43):
Try to like hold your jacket over your head because
they'll all be watching.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
Anyway, we found in the room. It's quite a good room.
Good view. It's a beautiful room.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
Actually, yeah, yeah, I feel like some terrible things have
happen there over the years, but it's a good room.
There's a few ghosts in there, but it's a good room.
Speaker 8 (32:57):
Yeah, bless that was Boxy.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
Thank you, thanks for coming in. I will find someone
good though. Yeah, well you will have to talk about that. Yes,
have you got a few ideas. I've got some ideas,
so I've got No, you haven't done the idea.
Speaker 8 (33:15):
I know, I got some ideas.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
Yeah, I got some ideas. Yeah. It's the tricky thing.
Speaker 5 (33:20):
You know, my bloody.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
Granddad's buried. It's going to be a completely different show.
That's the thing is this is completely different. One person
is the same, but it will be complete be completely
different differently, So that's that's that's going to be challenge. Yeah,
well he's easily slight hesitation there. Well, I was just
thinking there's been a few, but I answered I had
(33:47):
to think. But that's an honest answer. Yes, I mean
eleven years is a that's a long time. Seriously every morning,
and there's an intimacy that comes with doing radisho where
you come into this glass box and then you've got
to trust the person who you're with. You've got to
trust the ability of the other person when you chuck
them something that they can keep the ball in the
air all the time. And Matt can always keep the
ball in the air. There's no problem there, Jerry.
Speaker 1 (34:09):
You've talked about their things somehowsts you you know, you
play it to them and then they.
Speaker 5 (34:14):
Oh yeah, they slam it.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
Yeah. The exhibition game of tennis, which you're playing basically
exhibition tennis, so you go back and forward, your four hand,
back hands, sort of play it straight to them. You
play with some people and they're trying to work you
into the corners all the time, and then they're up
and you're trying to put it away. It's like, hold on,
we've only just started the point. We need to be
talking for another two minutes here, and you've tried to
put away a smash and it's like, no, there's a
time for the smash, and it's going to come in
(34:36):
another two minutes. Matt knows how to put away the smash.
He knows how to keep the ball in the air,
and he knows how to work the ball into the corners.
Sometimes occasionally he'll miss it completely, but you know, he
knows how to play exhibition tennis.
Speaker 8 (34:48):
Yeah, thank you for going away for a bit to
recover from this announcement.
Speaker 2 (34:52):
Recover. I'm going away with acc here G Lane on
my bose trip to Amsterdam and to Bloody Munich. I'm
going to come back. The issue is we're coming back
for one week and the last week of the Matt
and Jury Show from the thirtieth of September through to
the fourth of October. And I'm going to be coming
off the back of a six day, huge six a
(35:12):
bender with a massive Longhl flight coming up the back
of it. I'm going to be emotional. I get emotional
when i'm tired. Particularly, I'm going to be crying for
basically a week. I'm hopeless. I'm very sentimental. I can't
say anything that.
Speaker 1 (35:23):
Men, that's the best radio teas I've ever heard of,
a week of week of Jerry crying on a freaking
tune into that.
Speaker 8 (35:30):
Absolutely, congratulations, Matts, see you later.
Speaker 2 (35:37):
That's let's that's that's the Boss, the Boss of the
Boss Boss.
Speaker 3 (35:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:41):
I feel like I should say something a little bit
more genuine just the end day, like for the just
the daily bespokey dokey saying.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
Oh yeah, because.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
This is the most this podcast is the broadcast that
we do. I think we might have already said this,
but it might time not in the whole thing, but
it's the it's the it's the bookcast we were most
just being for mates.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
Can I also just say, before you do this to
the bespoking dookies, is the things that you've done? I
know this is sound, this sounds actually quite nap, but
how hard you've put the podcast means a lot to you.
In fact, I think it probably means the most to
you in terms of all the things that you've done.
Speaker 5 (36:15):
Maybe here a radio.
Speaker 3 (36:17):
I love the podcast so many times, you love the control.
Since I've been here has just tried to be you know,
shut down or less or more different things change and
stuff like that. But every day, the given is that
you always want to do a great podcast and you
always want to make sure that it's going out to
the people that listen, and the bespoking dookies really are
the people that love you the most. And it's going
to be absolutely fucking gutted right now as we all are.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
Yeah, but you guys will still be with them, you know,
and a little bit of that, and I'll be in
the radio show. I'm actually quite looking forward to being
just like a person that has a radio show that
drives in to work listening to you guys.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
Up with your kids in the morning.
Speaker 5 (36:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (36:58):
Oh that's quite an emotional thought.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
Yeah, I mean, unfortunately they grew massive in the interim.
I missed the whole bit we actually get up and
make them breakfast and actually you know, put their backpack
on and seend them off to score.
Speaker 5 (37:09):
I missed all of that.
Speaker 2 (37:10):
But thank you for what you've done now.
Speaker 5 (37:12):
It's fantastic.
Speaker 1 (37:14):
Well you do, Mash, it was phenomenal, Like you run
the cutter on on on it. It's bloody and bloody
impressive and you too, ruder and yeah, and thank you
for all your lovely words.
Speaker 5 (37:24):
Today, Jerry.
Speaker 1 (37:27):
You know when when I was reading out that bit
about you Jeremy on the live broadcast, Boy, it's hard
to actually just sit and say what you really mean
to a friend. I mean, you can say that to
a lover, but to a friend, and I just think,
you know, you know.
Speaker 5 (37:43):
What I said there.
Speaker 1 (37:44):
I basically at one point I said I love you, man,
and and I just think that's something that we all
need to remember, not just on these goodbye occasions, to actually,
you know, say that to our mates. Yeah, actually say
those things that you feel. And it's just on these
big moments you say them, but you if you can
actually go to that deeper level with your friends on
(38:05):
a more regular basis, I think life would be it
would be better.
Speaker 7 (38:08):
Can I peel back the curtain a little bit as well?
You talk about life being like living in a simulation,
and I don't think it's been said, but yesterday you
and Jerry both said to me and Matt separately, hey, guys,
can we have a little coffee after the after the show.
And you'd suspect that something is up because we saw
(38:30):
you guys having meetings before we went and had this
coffee meeting. But then men mash We're like, what the
fuck is going on? And then I thought, well, it
can't be that big because we're in the middle of
a public place. There's some guy over there just on
his phone. You know, it's just going to media inside something.
Speaker 2 (38:47):
Who is the media insider, who's that anxieties everywhere? It's
just going to be something small.
Speaker 7 (38:52):
And so basically in the space of twenty four hours,
we've obviously been turned quite upside down.
Speaker 1 (39:00):
I didn't think about that. It must be interesting for
you guys, because.
Speaker 7 (39:02):
It's been a heck of a ride and it was
a very you know, it was very emotional.
Speaker 5 (39:07):
And I feel about that. There was there was there.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
Was as being signed everywhere.
Speaker 2 (39:12):
And.
Speaker 3 (39:14):
I'm not surprised there's nobody being held there.
Speaker 5 (39:16):
Don't you worry about that.
Speaker 1 (39:17):
Yeah, there's lots of moving parts and all that kind.
Speaker 7 (39:21):
Of actually sent me a message this morning when he
was on his way and going, Wow, big day, and
I just said, I actually feel sick in my stomach
because I could feel the butterflies and I knew it
was coming, but I managed to kind of hold it together,
and I just wanted to pay tribute to a couple
of people managed to kind of hold it together through
(39:44):
your through your speech this morning, your wounded, as you said,
that was the word I was trying to find because.
Speaker 5 (39:50):
The one thing.
Speaker 7 (39:53):
Hopefully prepared wounded, because the one thing that struck me
from what you said, Maddie was.
Speaker 2 (39:59):
When you started your mum was alive.
Speaker 7 (40:01):
Yeah, and it's a year today since my dad died.
Speaker 5 (40:07):
Oh, and I've been building up to a week.
Speaker 7 (40:09):
Oh and so like seeing that coming like a fucking
freight train a week and then yesterday happens, and that
was and then what you said, and I was like.
Speaker 2 (40:19):
Simulation, simulation. I wonder, when Matt Tonian is you look
you really looked. You look quite shocked. Oh, you know,
I could see you were processing a lot of stuff.
There's a lot of emotion going on. I wonder, sorry
for not being across down.
Speaker 1 (40:37):
But it is funny because, like you know, with your
father passing and my mum and all the different things
and kids coming into the world and all the stuff
that people go through. That's what when you're on a
job this long and this close to each other, boy,
you do live people's.
Speaker 5 (40:51):
Ups and downs, ay you?
Speaker 1 (40:52):
Oh yeah, because when my mom died and I just
came into had to come into work because my dad said,
go to work before you come down. And then and then,
I mean, that's a lot to lay on someone to
come and just go, oh hey, Jerry, my my my
mum died last night. So just so you know, oh, yeah,
(41:13):
that was that was intense. I remember that well, it
was the old studio. It must have been the first
year that we were doing on maybe it was the
second year.
Speaker 2 (41:21):
Was it?
Speaker 5 (41:22):
Wow?
Speaker 2 (41:22):
But I was like, wow, man, the commitment of this guy.
I remember Laura and I say, no, you definitely don't
want to come in. You're like, no, I need to come.
I'm going to don't come. What are you talking about?
Speaker 1 (41:34):
I think that sometimes, if I could go back, I
would have been not so committed in some occasions. I
mean I didn't go on certain holidays because I knew
it was an important time for the show and we
needed to be working on our numbers for something.
Speaker 5 (41:44):
And I look back and.
Speaker 1 (41:44):
Go then you'd get a survey result that was like
you don't even know what it meant. Like, I mean,
I wouldn't say ever to not be as committed as
we all are, but I mean I think, Jerry, you've
got a term.
Speaker 5 (41:56):
It's sustainable.
Speaker 1 (41:57):
I mean it's and you know you're going forward as
in a young a young broadcaster. MESSI it's not that day,
it's that week and that month and that year. Yeah,
is the show. It's not like an episode of a
TV show. It's a it's a year of a radio show.
So you got to take the holidays, and you gotta,
you know, take the days off, and you gotta, I
(42:19):
don't know, you gotta got to think about the big
picture because that one show is not the difference. No,
one week is not the difference.
Speaker 2 (42:25):
No, it's not. But yeah, I remember that day, and
I remember the thing that I was amazed because I
originally you weren't there for the beginning part of it,
and I remember we called you and you were. I
just remember for the first time I spoke to you,
you were. You seem like you were so distant and
massively in shock. I'll never forget it. And I thought
(42:48):
to myself, and this is this is the worst. But
I thought to myself, hold on, you're not even here
on time, and you sound like you're not even apologetic
because I didn't know at that stage that you mama died,
and I was fair enough Jesus. He doesn't seem like
he gives a ship. He's not even in here.
Speaker 5 (43:05):
Maybe maybe, maybe maybe I'm open with a bit of anology.
Speaker 2 (43:11):
That's terrible. And then and then I don't know if
you see anything until you got in. I think you
got it wasn't until you got in that you see
what had happened. And I was and Laura and I
are like, oh my god, no, You've got to go home.
You're like, no, no, I've got to do the show.
It's important for me that I've got to do this.
Speaker 1 (43:27):
So you went from he kind of be fun coming
in and saying sorry, and he's not saying something about
it till he's going to go through.
Speaker 3 (43:34):
I'm just gonna message so much. Ben.
Speaker 5 (43:36):
Yeah, Men, same too, Men. Camp.
Speaker 1 (43:39):
There was there was there was before Mash, and then
there was Mash and it was like you it was
like it was like you'd been there the whole time.
You just you just slipped in with us so seamlessly.
Speaker 5 (43:52):
It was like.
Speaker 1 (43:55):
So kind, we were just like always because we've had
a lot of people, but you were just that, you
were just there. It was like the first day you
were on it was like you've been there for ten years,
you know, and it's still as well.
Speaker 3 (44:04):
Thank you mate. Well, I love you, and then we'll
be back in a week and a half, won't we.
Speaker 5 (44:08):
Yeah, all right then enough self sourcing Jesus. All right,
you've seem busy.
Speaker 1 (44:11):
We'll that you go.
Speaker 5 (44:12):
Love you, Love you all, Thank you so much.
Speaker 1 (44:14):
Love you mate, Love you particularly bespoke you donkies, You're
the best of us, all right, Love you boys, Love
you mate.
Speaker 5 (44:21):
Hello, I'm Matt Heath.
Speaker 1 (44:22):
You have been listening to the Matt and Jerry Daily
Bespoke podcast. Right now you can listen to our Radio
Highlights podcast, which you will absolutely get barred up about anyway,
Sit to download, like, subscribe, writer, review all those great things.
It really helps myself and Jerry and to a lesser extent,
Mash and Ruder. If you want to discuss anything raised
in this pod, check out the Conclave, a Matt and
(44:43):
Jerry Facebook discussion group. And while I'm plugging stuff, my book,
A Lifeless Punishing Thirteen Ways to Love the Life You've
Got is out now get it wherever you get your books,
or just google the bastard. Anyway, you've seem busy, I'll
let you go. Bless blessed, blessed.
Speaker 5 (44:57):
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