August 28, 2024 • 45 mins
today on the Daily Bespoke Podcast, NZ music stalwart Rikki Morris has a new album coming out this week, so he's in to chat about that amongst many other things...
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
She had about enough.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
Okay, we're recording, God, the teams, Yeah, whenever you're ready.
Speaker 3 (00:12):
You were just sitting around the thumbs of her ass
waiting for fucking.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
Hillary Berry's mate to text as rockstar.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Friends speaking about.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Number four.
Speaker 4 (00:24):
Okay, Jerry, good to go, mate. You've that's how you
organize something. That's how it's just no fuss at all.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
The first time it's used to potty's making.
Speaker 4 (00:34):
A meat, there's no fuss. Well, what happened the last
time you tried to organize something's got the wrong? Bloody time?
Speaker 1 (00:41):
It was a disaster.
Speaker 4 (00:42):
Every time.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
You man has to know his limitations might.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
So just cranking us up.
Speaker 5 (00:52):
God, let's get busy, Get busy.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
It's the twenty ninth and the eighth and the year
of our Lord, twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Worth more. You bespoke, You donkies to the Daily Bespoke podcast.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
You should be ashamed of yourself. We've got Ricky Morris
on the podcast this morning, so interview that I've organized,
no thanks to you, and I've organized that. What's absolutely
no fuss at all.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Thanks.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
And he's on his way in and it's gonna it's
going so smoothly and and there you are doing the
let's get busy, and we've got Rocky Morris, one of
the great New Zealand vocalists, and that's your effort. Well,
that's what you could bring.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
I lost confidence.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
I was gonna try and sing Let's get busy in
the tune of there's nobody else in my life, There's
nobody comes within a country mile. We freaking live in
a simulation. Okay, because I rewatched the movie The Devil
Did Me Too last night, a movie that I produced
(02:12):
few years ago, because it's just something called a big
UK distribution deal. Years afterwards, it's on Amazon Crime and
at the moment and like a great present for Father's
Day is the book Lifeless Punishing. By anyway, I was
watching the Bloody movie and there it pops up because
(02:33):
we bought that song, we snked.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
It for our movie.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
And and then I played the song and I turned
to the Mississtanta and I say, we got that guy,
Rocky Morris on the Bloody pod. Tomorrow I arrive here.
And then I find out from Ruder that Jeremy's organizing it,
and I go, he's not. Rocky Morris isn't going to
make it along of Jeremy is organizing. He couldn't bloody
organize a beer in a whorehouse. It's not that's not
(02:57):
the same a beer and a beer, or a bear
like a beer, like a hairy, large gay man.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
Would be in a whorehouse. I would rather not organize
a beer in a whole house. I think it would
be a terrible idea. I think it's he's a bid
in a wholehouse. Is already there a beer and a brewery.
It's a pass up in a brewery.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
Mate, you can organize a piss up in a whoy
house up brewery person a whole house.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
That is what it is.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
I've got so many questions to ask Rerecky Morris.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
You've already asked them on the Seven Sharp.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
I've got more questions to ask him, have you. Yeah,
that story hasn't played yet seven Shop, hasn't it tonight?
Speaker 1 (03:31):
So this is the exclusive then, isn't it? Because it
doesn't come out first? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (03:34):
I love the name zumping the Seven Sharp story.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
I love the name Ricky Ricky.
Speaker 4 (03:39):
Oh, that's one of the questions I've got for Ricky.
It's such Why did you decide to spell ricky r?
I K K I.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Because of Ricky Lake.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
She's spelled r I k K I is she thinks.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
You can always go on Ricky Lake. Excuse me, you can?
I put the suite system please you.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
I'm ready, you ready, I'm ready.
Speaker 6 (04:01):
Sure mm hmmm, oh.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
Shure.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
This is such a chill to keep.
Speaker 7 (04:17):
The great.
Speaker 8 (04:23):
Now basing the future.
Speaker 7 (04:30):
And looking here.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
We got this by here. I love that's so good that.
Speaker 9 (04:41):
It's so good.
Speaker 10 (04:44):
I'll never do I'll never ship.
Speaker 11 (04:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
Not an easy song to say if you're a guy,
very very high.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Well here was My follow up question is maybe we
could talk to Ricky about it. But quite an effeminate
tone in his voice there that I'd like to ask
him about it?
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Would you say?
Speaker 3 (05:17):
It's Paul McCartney esk and how cleverly the tune works
and results resolves itself surprises you.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
He's very I know from speaking to him that he's
not unhappy with the way that it turned out still
and going back on it, is still proud of it.
I'm going to ask him the question, have you a
nuts dropped yet?
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Matey?
Speaker 11 (05:42):
That's a good yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Is there a key change in the song. It sounds
like this should be a key change in the last chorus.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
I don't think there is.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Well, we could have done maybe better.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
I was just teaching my song about my son about
key changes.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
But there's the breakdown, but nobody else breakdown when.
Speaker 8 (05:59):
It breaks down?
Speaker 1 (06:00):
No, he isn't it colexily?
Speaker 11 (06:02):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (06:02):
But Junior, that was That was the first New Zealand
song I heard that. I thought sounded like a song
from overseas. Yeah, and I was. I think it came
out in nineteen eighty eight or something.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
October eighty eight was at the top.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
Of our chart, right, oh, Sex, Yeah, I think there
is a pacha give it to me.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
Here we go where the clickings coming in. This is
the breakdown, but this is the extended version.
Speaker 8 (06:38):
Here we go, Here we go, Here we go.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
This is the breakdown.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
But usually the key change comes after a breakdown like this.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
Abbradah, God, it's good.
Speaker 11 (06:58):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 6 (06:59):
The te change question, I know, no forward.
Speaker 7 (07:03):
Change, no.
Speaker 9 (07:09):
Change, wasn't it?
Speaker 1 (07:12):
No?
Speaker 4 (07:12):
No, there's no there's no need to stop. But we
can ask him why did you not? Why was the name?
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Did you ever keecht? That's a great question. Did you
ever think about a key change?
Speaker 4 (07:21):
Yeah, there's so many questions. We're going to ask you
about so many questions I organized as a rookie.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Short for Richard, I'm gonna ask that, is he actually
getting it across the line?
Speaker 4 (07:32):
Can you not ask that? Please?
Speaker 1 (07:33):
As rich I'm going to call him Richard.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
Don't call him Dick, Richard, don't call him.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
Deck Well ironic. My character in the movie The Devil
Did Me To his name is Dick.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
A little known fact about the movie. There's a bit
at the end where I'm wearing my undies. Earlier on
I'm just in my undies and the characters got running
a big downstairs in his sundies.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
So it's not you.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
Then, right, And in the last scene after Dick has
been he's been a brilliant film writing because afterwards tucked
it back end so he's basically behind the andes for
the last scene.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
Oh that is quite good because he had lost his virility.
Oh that's freaking scene. That is scene. That scene right there.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
You see why people are still spending the big bucks
on this film in twenty four Oh.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Should we sold it for very little?
Speaker 8 (08:28):
There?
Speaker 3 (08:28):
You would be surprised how little we'll see it. Be
surprisy how little we played paid. Rocky Morris for that
song in the movies?
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Really did he?
Speaker 4 (08:35):
Just did you?
Speaker 8 (08:36):
Did you?
Speaker 1 (08:37):
Actually? Basically charity? We Alsill gave it to us for charity.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
When you want to get a film like a song
on a film, I mean a question for you. Many
the only one of this team that's worked on a
feature film, do you just as simple as like your producers,
just head up there and say, hey, we would like
to use this.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
I was the producer of the film.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
So to negotiate the hardest negotiations with with Andrew Fagan
around the song for Tuesday Morning. Oh yeah, he said,
I don't care what you pay me as long as
it's equal with what everyone else gets paid.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Oh that's fear.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
And I said, mate, well I'm paying everyone else a
fucking bag of lolly, so fuck you.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
That's been in the court set of since because we
paid Rockie Morris.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
A lot more, oh did you?
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Than a beg a longely still But anyway, you've got
to think about Rockie Morris. Tell us some more about him.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
Richard Morris, Richard Morris, Vicky what do you want to
know about him? Three forty five Live hosted three forty
five Live off the back of the song actually because
he came on three forty five Live and here is
out there.
Speaker 9 (09:35):
There is.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
You come in there and then we'll let you in
and three forty five Live. And then he was so
good on three forty five Live that they said to him,
why don't you come in for an audition because so
what's the space is leaving? And he did. He went, oh, okay,
I suppose I've not really ever thought of doing TV.
And then he was bloody good and I remember he
was good, like he was really good. Immediately he was
on and I was like, oh, this guy's got We
(10:00):
need to go to a break and we'll come back
with Ricky Morris.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Okay, let's do it. Let's take a break, and we're
back with Ricky Morris.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
And here he is. Welcome, Mesh.
Speaker 8 (10:26):
I'm not sure whether we've talked on the phone work Ricky.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
This is something we do on the Met and Jury podcast.
We just we are right, we are rolling and look.
I don't know absolutely, I don't know if you've ever
you know, you know, ever done something like this where
it's just rolling. It's crazy. I like it and you
just walk straight into it.
Speaker 8 (10:48):
Have I've literally just parked my car and got a coffee.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
Ye, how's the Northwestern.
Speaker 8 (10:53):
Shocking this morning? Actually, you know what, it's getting off
the motorway that's really hard. As soon as you hit
the CBD, it's like, oh my mind you I've just
been to Bali and I'll never ever complain about traffic.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
See.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
I believe this is a theory I've got. Instead of
spending billions on traffic management, we just need to fly people.
Like recently, not so long ago, I was in Bangalore
and I came back and I thought, there is no
traffic in Auckland. It's all a matter perspective. It's framing, isn't.
Speaker 8 (11:20):
It totally one?
Speaker 4 (11:22):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (11:23):
Yeah, I used to be here.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
Oh I was so nice to have you. We've just been.
We've just been talking about you. Have you behind my
bad massively?
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (11:30):
All though its many people do.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
It's recorded, though, so you could go back and listen
to it. So if it is backstabby, it's the worst
backstabbingone's ever done.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
So, Ricky, people who are listening to the podcast, they'll
know you from lots of ways. I suppose they may
have seen you on TV back in the nineteen eighties
on three forty five Live that's how Oh no, I
actually first knew about you from from nobody else. You
your single smash It Single nineteen eighty eight, and then
after that you were I think you're interviewed on three
(12:01):
forty five Live.
Speaker 8 (12:02):
I was, Yeah, at the beginning of nineteen eighty nine,
I was a guest on three forty five Live. And
do you want me to tell the story about.
Speaker 4 (12:10):
Well, that would be great because what happened then, because
weirdly enough, I was I mean I watched every single
TV program that was recorded or filmed in New Zealand
from about nineteen eighty two through to about nineteen ninety
six as a kid, terrible television addict, and so I
followed your career, you know, from the start, you know,
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in terms of in terms of television career. And I
remember it, and I remember you on three forty five Live,
and I remember think because I loved the song, and
I remember thinking that guy's really cool. I were really
cool on that and obviously the producers of three forty
five Live thought the same.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Girl.
Speaker 8 (12:46):
Well, I fell into that job and it was quite
bizarre because, as I say, I was a guest on
the show, and the show in nineteen eighty nine. Three
forty five Live started off with Vanilla Bathfield and a
guy called Nigel Hurst who was he was a stand
up comic.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
Nobody remembers Nigel Hurst.
Speaker 8 (13:06):
Well, he was a stand up comic, but he's actually
a teacher and he still is a teacher at the
LASL College. But at that stage I think he was
maybe Beds Intermediate and Utata or somewhere like that, can't
quite remember.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
And it would have been quite full on being on
three forty five Live and a teacher.
Speaker 8 (13:21):
He well, he'd quit the teacher.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Okay, because how did you get home from school?
Speaker 8 (13:27):
Because it would have been really cool. Only he would
fang it.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
I was only just getting home in time for three
forty five Live, and I lived in a small town.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
But you could skimp last period, I mean, And the
students said, love.
Speaker 8 (13:39):
It anyway, I digress, you digress. So so anyway, after
about two months of nineteen eighty nine, Nigel decided that
he didn't want to be on TV anymore. Oh yeah,
he missed his kids that you know, he's a primary
school teacher. He missed his kids, and he decided, I
don't want to do TV anymore. But much for him,
God bless him. And so anyway, they had a farewell
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party for him on a Friday night, his last show,
and to celebrate. They've got a lot of people back
who had been guests. So there was me and Double
Jay and twice.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
The Tea and the.
Speaker 8 (14:18):
War Yeah, that was one of them.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
Robert d Frog Yeah, Wastewater.
Speaker 8 (14:24):
I think I sang on that and they they They
also did a remake of ses.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
A mod that's right.
Speaker 8 (14:31):
Yeah, anyway, I digress again. The Invaders, Yeah, I think
Ray was on it. Yea, God bless them. Sorry I
keep knocking the mic anyway.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
So it's good to save someone. It's great to have
someone with some Michael Whennis.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
We've got a guest with some Mica awareness.
Speaker 8 (14:50):
Anyway, So I was a guest on the show and
at the end of the show we said goodbye to Nigel.
Bye Nigel. They hadn't got anyone to replace him yet.
They've been auditioning, but they hadn't found anyone.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Yep. So that's why Jeremy still they haven't got around
to replacing him.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
There, not thinking things through, not having a plan, surely not.
Speaker 8 (15:12):
So Fanella was freaking and she she we were talking afterwards,
we had a few drinkies up in the in the
kids department and TV and ZA and she said, why
don't you come in on Monday and just help me
out because we haven't found anyone. So she went and
talked to Stephen Campbell, who was the producer, and Stephen went, yeah,
that's a great idea. So I came in on the
Monday just as a kind of co host and and
(15:34):
I loved it. And at the end of the day
Stephen said, can you come back tomorrow because we haven't
found anyone yet. And it went on for the whole week.
And on the Friday we went and had drinks again
up in the kids room at Kid's Office, little parties
on that Kid Off Cheap as Jason Gunn was the
(15:54):
worst and and and Stephen said, you want to You've
got the job if you wanted. So I went, yeah, cool.
I loved it. And that was it. So I did
an audition. I just kind of.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
That's what proximity is important, isn't it. And in the
right place, it's got to be there. But you had chemistry, yeah,
you do. Your had chemistry?
Speaker 8 (16:16):
Well, I think you know a lot of a lot
of people struggled with Fanella because she was she was very,
very headstrong and and you know, nowadays women stand up
for themselves. Back then, Fanella stood up for herself and
it wasn't you know, we weren't quite PC in those days.
So she was shot down. What's she Yeah, especially by
(16:37):
the heads of like you know, the heads of the
children's department didn't like it, wearing ripped jeans and all that.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
I like that a lot.
Speaker 4 (16:45):
You'll tell you what I liked it. Yeah, I don't
know anybody who didn't like it.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
I mean, we just we were just talking before about
you coming on the show on our live show, and
then and then we also brought up Vanilla Bathfield. The
text machine exploded.
Speaker 4 (16:58):
It really did. But it was still those days, which
unfortunately we have drifted away from a little bit on
television now, which is something for the mums and something
for the dads, and you were something for the mums,
and for now that was something for the dads. And
I'll tell you what, there's got to be something for
the mums and dads.
Speaker 8 (17:17):
Yeah, yeah, that does. And we had good guests.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
Had incredible guests, incredible guests because we leveled because you
were having a huge market.
Speaker 8 (17:25):
Yeah, and there was no TV three until till the
following years, so we were up against Emmadale Farm.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (17:32):
You know.
Speaker 8 (17:34):
So it's a bit unfair really, no, but you.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
But the guests that came through, I mean BB King.
Speaker 8 (17:41):
Yeah, yeah, I interviewed BB King, which was probably one
of the highlights of my life. We had guys like
Roland Gift wank it from simply read what's his name? Yeah,
it's funny because about about six or seven years later
(18:02):
I played soccer against him because I'm soccer nut and
I was still playing in those days. And Warners, who
were their record company, simply reads for record company wherever,
simply read go in the world. They want to play
football because he's a big Manchester United fan, so simply
read played a Warner's eleven, which just happened to have
Noel Barclay and a couple of x all whites, and honestly,
(18:24):
you would have thought mc huckner was playing in a
FA Cup final. He was such a dick. Oh wow,
he was such a dick, Like he threatened to beat
up the ref because he awarded a penalty.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
You know, he's singing such beautiful songs you can still
detect that he's a dick. Just it's amazing how it
can come through.
Speaker 4 (18:41):
Well, that's interesting because as well, the UK press have
always been hard on him, and I suspect it's because
they knew he was a deck yet possibly, but you've
got to say, from one singer to another, great, the
guy's got great.
Speaker 8 (18:53):
Thing, Absolutely great singer. And I wouldn't mind having you know,
one percent of his bank backs.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
Now going back to that, and we really focused on
this area. But there were Philip Schofield speaking of people
that the British press are hard on.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
He was he was. He was in and about and
around them, wasn't he Sam?
Speaker 8 (19:13):
Yep? He was on Shazam? Isn't it Really? It's unfortunate
what happened.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
Ready to Roll at that stage was sort of operating
and I feel like hosting that was Robbie Rakati. Was
that a little bit later on?
Speaker 8 (19:28):
Might have been a bit later on?
Speaker 1 (19:30):
It was a TV wasn't he?
Speaker 11 (19:31):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (19:32):
I don't think they had a I don't think we
need to roll had a host.
Speaker 4 (19:36):
I just had that Une and Coca Cola Countdown or
something sort of Saturday morning show.
Speaker 8 (19:43):
Oh yeah, there were a whole lot of them, and
Robert Scott and one I had a thing going in
the maybe TV three in the early nineties. I remember
going on that once. So there was a bit of stuff.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Feature okay, based to direct Coca Cola Countdown. I was
the studio director for that.
Speaker 4 (20:04):
Show long time when Robbie Rakat was on.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Much later.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
Their host was a someone called Alex Ban at that
time Alex Bean.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
It was pre beg rogga days, pre bet Bigrinner. Yeah.
Speaker 8 (20:17):
Yeah, so Radio Pictures was the big one. Oh, yes
night Hey, Yeah, Karen Hat and Dick Driver and Dick Driver,
Dick Driver. Mark Tierney as well was his host.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Very deep voice, Mark Kanni.
Speaker 4 (20:32):
Yeah, became a straw person, Yes he did.
Speaker 8 (20:35):
And now he's one of the top videographers and photographers
and he lives in America and yeah, he lives out
in the desert.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
Okay, So Ricky hello.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
Speaking of deep booming voices, we were talking about that.
You've got you can sing quite high.
Speaker 4 (20:50):
You can sing very high.
Speaker 8 (20:52):
I can sing very high.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
You can sing very high, and nobody else is a
hard song to sing if you're a guy with balls.
And so when you say balls dropped at that stage.
Speaker 8 (21:04):
Only just I was twenty eight twenty seven when I
recorded that. Fine, so yeah, they just there's.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
No free sure to go through puberty, just when it happens.
Speaker 8 (21:12):
But I'll tell you a story about that too, because
when I wrote that song, I came very quickly, so
to speak, and I recorded it on my little four
track machine. I had all the melody and all the instruments.
It was kind of like a country song to start with,
(21:32):
and I hadn't come up with any lyrics. So I
did a gig and late you know, I was driving
home from the skeg. It was probably like two o'clock
in the morning, and all of a sudden, all these
words started coming to me. I was like, shit, So
am I allowed to sweat?
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (21:52):
Yeah, oh fucking great. Yeah I'm late. So anyway, I
was living in a little beds at the back of
a friend's house and I got home at two o'clock
and I was paranoid that I was going to forget
all these words. So I went into my little bedsit
and got the mic and it was very bus two
in the morning, so I just sang it really quietly
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there's nobody, and I listened to it back the next morning,
I thought, shit, that's a great effect singing it really
quietly like the Beg's And I never thought I was
going to sing it like that, and I kind of
redid the vocals like that, and yeah, and it kind
of had its own little character or something to it. Yeah.
(22:36):
But when Ian and my brother Ian and I recorded it,
we actually slowed it down and I recorded it, and
then we sped it up to normal speed, which was
a very beatlesy things to do thing to do, and
it made that kind of chip monkey kind of.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
I was just saying it came along that it's got
Paul McCartney esque.
Speaker 8 (22:57):
It's an effect.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
Yeah, yeah, But we were filling around and we lowered it, didn't.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
We Yeah, I think we did.
Speaker 8 (23:04):
We lowered it awesome.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
It sounds like low.
Speaker 8 (23:09):
That's probably the key that it was recorded of, so
it was recorded in the key of G, but on
the record it's just under A. So we sped it
up that much. For people who are musicians or who
understand music, that's quite a lot.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
Speaking of which we were just discussing before he came in,
whether you contemplated, you know, changing key in the for
the final blast of the chorus.
Speaker 8 (23:34):
Nah, I wanted to do a key change and go
even higher. Yeah, I think you mean take it down
a bit. It's too high to say, you know, we
we did think about that coming out of the drum fill. Yeah,
but no, that's we've thrown every cliche this already. We
can't do a key change.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Ricky, if you don't mind me showing you this ruder
in studio B is quite a quite a good music
and he actually he's locked up. But it would have
sounded like the end of your song with a key chain.
So this is what it might have sounded like. So
this is coming out of the breakdown.
Speaker 9 (24:08):
I guess yeah, wait for it.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
We shouldn't have done it, mate, Oh goodrda all the
people like me. He was struggling to reach.
Speaker 5 (24:35):
The note already.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
It would have been like, oh damn, oh.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
My god, we should have done it.
Speaker 8 (24:42):
It would have been a hit around the world. Oh mate,
I love it.
Speaker 4 (24:46):
It's funny because I was telling to you about the
song and it's in a lot of places. Great song
still sounds fantastic. It's aged particularly well well. And you
were telling me that because I said, do you ever
hear it in supermarkets? And stuff, bugger, I should have
maybe done that. So I should have done that and
you said no, No, I'm very happy with.
Speaker 8 (25:04):
It now we play you damn, damn, damn damn. Maybe
I'll rerecord it. I did re record it a few
years ago with a Nika and with a Nick Moore
and yeah, we did it for her show, and I
released it last year because it was like the thirty
fifth anniversary of going to number one. So I did
a thirty fifth anniversary version of it, which was just
(25:26):
a live take with my band and Anika sing bvs.
Which was amazing. Yeah, so cool.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
I'm always interested in the relationship that people have with
songs like that, like the songwriters, because they birth out
of you somehow in this weird way. I've never written song,
so I wouldn't know how, but I imagine they birth
out of you and then you give them to the world.
They go into other people's heads. That song's in my head.
I know the entire song, I know all the lyrics.
I'm walking around with it in my head all the time. Yeah,
(25:55):
it's kind of weird.
Speaker 8 (25:56):
It is weird.
Speaker 4 (25:57):
Does the relationship change over time, like I like your
relationship with your children sort of changes or is it
exactly the same.
Speaker 8 (26:07):
I don't know. It's a weird one because I still
love it as much as I did then, So.
Speaker 4 (26:16):
Thank God for that. Must be happy about that.
Speaker 8 (26:18):
Yeah, yeah, I do believe I've written better songs. But
it was, it was, you know, it was just a
moment in time all the I remember Neil Finn saying
once that when a when a song becomes a hit,
it's like it's like when you are picking a you're
picking the lock on a safe. It's like you all
the you know, all the little clickers line up, all
(26:40):
the planets line up, and it's like and it's really
it's like a snowball. It's really hard to stop it
once it starts. And for some reason, all the planets
lined up at that particular moment in time, and it
was Yeah, it was just I knew it was going
to be a hit though, right, I knew for ten
years that it was going to be a hit, right,
(27:01):
because I wished it into I did. And I'm not
a spiritual well I kind of A'm not really. I'm
a lapse Catholic, but I do believe in the power
of you know, positive thought. I'm not I'm not kind
of mad about it, But at that time in my life,
I knew I was going to write a number one single.
Speaker 11 (27:22):
Wow.
Speaker 8 (27:23):
And every night before I went to sleep, I just
I just saw it, you know.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
Wow.
Speaker 8 (27:28):
I just saw it every night for ten years. And
I do believe. And John Lennon said this, You've got
to be careful what you wish for. Yeah, it's and
it's not. Yeah, I believe. And I wish I could.
I wish I could remember how to do that. I'm
kind of forgotten now.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
You know, it's interesting that when you say about how
things fall into place with a song, because that song
is like the production on it is so clear and
it's it's out and forward like so all the those
things have to fall into place as well. Just have
such a distinctive production that we were so clear and
forward and the speakers and the vocals back.
Speaker 8 (28:09):
I can't I can't speak highly enough of my late
brother as a producer. I think he was a world
class producer and an amazing engineer. More than anything is.
He had ears and he knew, he knew what it
was amazing. We had this telepathic thing where I'd be
sitting on the couch and He'd be tweaking some stuff
and listening to you know, the certain instruments whatever, and
(28:33):
I'd just be thinking that doesn't quite work, and he'd
turn around about two minutes later and go, I don't
think that works, does it? You know? So we had
this amazing kind of chemistry in the studio which which
I miss And yeah, I think he just he was
the one who brought that song to life. He's the
(28:54):
one who recognized that. I didn't really know it was
going to be a hit when I wrote it because
it was a country song. But he saw something in it,
and he worked really hard at getting it. Sounds amazing,
getting those sounds together. It was just me and him.
There was no one else else. There was nobody else.
(29:14):
There was nobody else in the studio, nobody else, but
nobody else.
Speaker 4 (29:18):
A lot of people asked this question, I'm sure of
you because it was there. What has there been anybody
else since? Nobody else? Because clearly that's written about somebody
that you were. You were either trying to woo or
you'd maybe done something that you shouldn't have done, and
you were trying to make sure that you were trying
to get away a bit of your own guilt.
Speaker 8 (29:37):
It is. It is a yeah, something like that. I
am a Catholic after all. Survival.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
That's interesting you said that I thought that there was
a breakup song when I originally heard that.
Speaker 8 (29:51):
No, it wasn't. It was I had a fight with
my girlfriend at the time, Rebecca her name was, and
we'd been going out for a couple of years or
maybe a year or so, and we had a big
fight and she left and I was like, holy shit,
I'm in trouble. Oh and she was feisty, and I
(30:17):
thought I'll write her a song. So that's kind of
where it came from. And I played it to her
and it was like, oh, that's a beautiful thing. And
she came back here for a little while until I
met my first wife.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
My life an interesting song for me.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
I was just saying before, because I sometimes believe we
live in a simulation because I made a film in
about two thousand and six or seven, and there was
a scene when the edits and Sweet, and I was like, boy,
we need that song.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
Nobody else.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
Oh wow, And then I remember the other guys making
the film with and he goes, you can't just get
songs like that, can you? And then and then we
got that song. So what was the first called the
Devil Dead me too.
Speaker 8 (31:04):
I remember that, I remember the I remember the check.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
There's a guy, a guy whose girlfriend gets a leg
decapitated when she was little. And then they run into
each other again and he's been pining for her for
the longest time. And then he turns around and he's
working on a stunt site. And then it pans up
and and from the from the league that's been you
didn't know who.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Was amputated, pans up and just has to go. I'll
see I'll send you a little bit of it.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
I'll see you the clip please, And we were like,
it's got to be that song well and then and
then and I'd never licensed songs before, so I was
trying to work out to ring Mushroom in Australia or
something like that.
Speaker 8 (31:43):
Mushroom owned my publishing at that they don't anymore.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
And they were like they didn't care because they were Australian.
So you ring them, we go you want for a
New Zealand film, it's and New Zealand song and they
just you couldn't find anyone to talk.
Speaker 8 (31:53):
To about it because they dropped me so that they
still had my publishing and he took my publishing money. Unbelie.
That's a story for the book. Yeah yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
So what about tell us about the new album about time?
Speaker 8 (32:06):
Well, it's about time. Yeah, yeah, I guess it's twenty
eight years since I did an album.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
So it is definitely about time.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
Which is so you're twenty eight when then when you.
Speaker 8 (32:20):
Know, twenty eight when nobody else came out? Yeah, And
then I did an album in the mid nineties, so
I was in my thirties then now I'm sixty four.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
Jeez, you're looking good.
Speaker 4 (32:30):
Yeah, saying.
Speaker 8 (32:33):
Sixty four a couple of weeks ago on August the twelve.
Speaker 4 (32:37):
That's your skin care regime.
Speaker 8 (32:39):
No drugs and no alcohol, brilliant. That's my skin key.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
It's freaking working eighteen.
Speaker 8 (32:46):
Years and I believe that that is the that is
the key to eternal youth.
Speaker 4 (32:52):
Okay that and potentially did you grow up in the UK? Well,
you spend some years in the UK.
Speaker 8 (32:58):
I was born there and we immigrated in nineteen sixty six.
And I was just a nipper. Okay, you were just
a nipper. I do I do I have sorry to interrupt,
I have Dalmatian blood in me. I have Croatian blood
and Teas blood and Moldea on my mom's side.
Speaker 4 (33:17):
A very good looking people.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
The crash and it's a very fiery on the football field.
Speaker 8 (33:20):
Yeah, I think that's where my love of football. My
dad was a Jeordie. He was Wow. He was from
Stockton on Teas in the Northeast.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
So it must be interesting, like we're turning sixty four
as a Beatles fan, because you'll go your whole life,
you've been thinking about when I'm sixty four, and then
you're sixty four and you go, I'm sixty four.
Speaker 8 (33:35):
I went to Ballei and I was in Balley for
my birthday and I was working over there and I
sang that song of course your dad, and yeah, I thought, yay,
I'm going to sing this song on my birthday, and
it was you know, it's cool. It's a shit song
though it is. Actually it's really it's one of those
it's one of the ones that John.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
Called them, John Lennam call them. Pau McCartney's Granny song.
I'm so glad that when he said that, to break it,
So glad.
Speaker 8 (34:04):
All the granny songs he wrote, some shockers. He wrote
some good ones too, very controversial.
Speaker 4 (34:12):
Very good songs. So you're touring as well.
Speaker 8 (34:14):
Sorry, back to the album. So anyway, twenty eight years
and every year since I released this album in ninety
ninety six or whenever it was, I thought, I'm going
to do an album. I'm going to do another album.
I'm going to do it. But life kind of got
in the way and I had to make a living,
you know, I had children, Yeah, and I had other
(34:38):
kind of things going on in my life and a
marriage breakup and all that sort of shit, and it
just yeah, I just kind of kept putting it off
and putting it off. And to be honest, you know,
I don't have a lot of I guess there's also
that severe lack of self worth and good og Catholic stuff,
(35:00):
you know that I'm not good enough to do that,
and I'm too old to do that. Every excuse under
the site you to give to that stuff if you
can know. Yeah, But then in twenty eighteen, I did
a gig at the Mount Eden Village series and I
sold it out and I was like, which was about
one hundred and thirty people, it's certainly not Oasis, And
(35:24):
I thought, and I got my band together and we
played all these songs and a few new ones, and
I thought, hmm, I'm going to tell anyway. A couple
of months later we were we started recording at the
Lab and then long and again and then Lockdown, and
then we got into COVID, and COVID actually helped because
it gave me the.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
Were you working with Oli at the lab?
Speaker 8 (35:44):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (35:44):
Great news.
Speaker 8 (35:45):
Yeah, he's amazing and yeah, and then I just it
was going to be an EP, and then I just
thought I might as well just keep going. So it
comes out tomorrow, August the thirtieth, and I can't believe.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
I can't believe it's digitally and vinyally.
Speaker 5 (36:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (36:02):
Yeah, pick up the vinyl tomorrow awesome. Yeah, yeah yeah,
And I'm doing some shows. I'm doing a show tomorrow
night at the Tuning at the Tuning Fork, thirtieth at
the Tuning Fork.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
And then I can go through them if you want.
Speaker 3 (36:15):
Saturday, thirty first of August YEP at Room twenties and
Nelson and then yeah, Sunday the first.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
Oh, I'm and Dneed and Christ. Then on Sunday the first, Yeah.
Speaker 8 (36:25):
We're out at the Shelter, which is out in Lincoln
probably so cool. And Jed Parsons parents play out there. Wow,
it's cool, it's really cool. And then the Jam Factory
in Totong. We're not doing Hamilton by the way.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
Not doing Hamilton. I won't read that one out. And
then New Plummouth at the Fourth War Theater.
Speaker 8 (36:41):
Yeah. So it's a little short run. Yeah, not so
much gigs, but little celebrations. I just thought, if I'm
going to release an album, I don't want to just
release an album and you know, I don't know. I
just thought I might as well do some shows to
one hundred people if they want to turn out.
Speaker 4 (37:00):
Also, you've been you've been playing with the dudes? Yeah,
and so did you do a show last.
Speaker 8 (37:06):
Weekend on Saturday night? A sold out show? People say
we've sold out. We sold out. We sold out the
power Station on last Saturday night and it was amazing.
It was the best dude's crowd I have ever seen.
And you know, I've seen probably close to two hundred
dude shows.
Speaker 9 (37:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (37:24):
Well, in my time, we were Roady, Yeah, Roady and
your brother's band yep. I was back in the day,
So you have seen them a lot over the years,
and this crowd on Saturday night. Man, they were up
for it and they were happy. They were just so
happy and coshurious, and you know we were a little bit,
you know, because Dave's Dave Dobbin's not in the band anymore.
(37:47):
With that that has you know, he made it that
very clear that he didn't want to do anymore at
the end of the last tour in twenty twenty and
but over the year, over the four years since we
last played, we've all been the rest of us have
just been going. We want to keep going. So Dave
with you know and Lorraine as manager, have given us
(38:09):
their blessing to carry on. Yeah, which is cool. And
you know, Dave's got his own thing, you know, he never,
he never, you know, the dudes is old time for him.
You know, he doesn't need the.
Speaker 3 (38:22):
Dudes, although he plays dude songs when he plays does
recently he would have done Bliss and he did Bliss
and be Mine tonight.
Speaker 8 (38:32):
Yeah, of course he has to do those. But so
we've got we've got Bred Adams to come in and
play guitar with us, and it's a totally different vibe
as it would be without Dave. But it seems to worked.
It worked really well, and we're hoping to do more shows. Yeah,
I think maybe some festively kind of things we're looking
at over summer. So cool something has just been announced
(38:55):
and the younger or funger maitar I can't remember which
way kick down one of those selling.
Speaker 4 (39:04):
Out a gig though, and then looking at and then
having a whole bunch of happy people singing back to
you must give you a great energy that must fill
you up.
Speaker 8 (39:13):
Well, you know, for me personally, playing in my favorite
band of all time is and seeing all those people
having fun and singing all those songs, and it's just
it's kind of the.
Speaker 4 (39:25):
Worldly, spiritual experience.
Speaker 8 (39:27):
It's like playing in the Beatles or something. You know,
It's like, but the Dudes are my favorite apart from
the Beatles. Maybe the Dudes are my favorite band of
all time. So to be asked to join the band
is like, it's it's mind blowing for me.
Speaker 4 (39:42):
So you have always been a big fan of pop music, Yeah,
and you must be super excited about what the world
of pop music's offering up at the moment, because it's
it's kind of the most interesting part of music, like
in terms of production and experimental and all sorts of stuff.
Speaker 8 (40:02):
Yeah, there's there's certainly a lot of stuff out there.
There's a lot of stuff that I don't particularly like.
A lot of it I find quite seey. But there's
little there's little what do you call rose buds that
poke up now and again. My favorite band at the
moment is a band called the Lemon Twigs who are
from Brooklyn. Has two brothers, the Dadariol brothers, Brian and Machael,
(40:26):
and they are like a cross between the Beach Boys,
the Beatles, the Raspberries, Gilbert O'Sullivan and you know, I
like they're incredible and quite experimental as well. Yeah, they're
my favorite band. And they actually they were actually in
Australia last year and I couldn't get to that one
of these shows. I was going to fly over and
(40:47):
see them, The Lemon Twigs.
Speaker 4 (40:48):
I think we've got a little bit of Lemon Twigs here.
Speaker 8 (40:53):
That's lep Off their latest album. It's great.
Speaker 4 (41:00):
I got a great look about it. We've got Beatles
sort of nineteen seventy one Beatles haircuts.
Speaker 8 (41:06):
Yeah, they very retro, you know, all the everything that
they have. They play rickenbackers and you know, I understand
and the bass black plays are Hofner and you know,
but they're not a they're not a Beatles covers band,
you know. They and their dad was Ronnie Ddario was
a quite a he never quite broke through, but he
(41:28):
was a singer songwriter in his own right. So yeah,
they're great, they're they're They're my favorite band at the moment.
But I also love some of the new country stuff
that's coming out.
Speaker 11 (41:37):
You know.
Speaker 8 (41:37):
It's like, I really like Casey Musgraves. I think she's amazing.
There's a couple of others like Mareon Morrison. Obviously I
love her because she's got a great name. There's a
few that I like. I don't particularly like the you know,
Luke Holmes is my youngest daughter will hate me.
Speaker 4 (41:54):
For some.
Speaker 8 (41:57):
But yeah, there's there's little there's always little pockets of Actually,
you know What've I love at the moment is Mike
Hall's new.
Speaker 1 (42:04):
Yes, we just had him on to talk about it. Wow,
that's a great album.
Speaker 8 (42:07):
And him and Joel Mulholland together is like.
Speaker 3 (42:10):
Out of the Lamb as well Fridgehip some knock at
crany of the Lamb.
Speaker 8 (42:14):
Ye yep, it's Joel's little studio upstairs. Yep, that's a
great record. That's a great record. I quite like that
kind of just slightly off center, kind of poppy, melodic thing,
which is the antithesis of my of me. My my
album is very melancholy. And I'm a ballady, you know.
(42:36):
I like writing ballads, That's my thing. So a lot
of the songs. I've been searching for the perfect to
write the perfect love song, and I think there is.
I write a song about my wife, Janey, and and
I think it's as close as the perfect love song
ballad that I will ever.
Speaker 4 (42:57):
What's it called.
Speaker 8 (42:57):
It's called jane Ah. But you'll be able to Yep,
you'll be able to hear it tomorrow. You can play
some now, we.
Speaker 1 (43:07):
Can play the we We've got the saddest we can
play the Saddest Sound.
Speaker 8 (43:09):
Okay, yep, Sadest Sound, which my brother wrote. Ian wrote
that just after the Dudes broke up in nineteen eighty.
Speaker 10 (43:15):
So it's a little tribute to him.
Speaker 4 (43:25):
We should go out on us. Ricky, thanks so much
for coming and getting on the Matagery podcast. Always great
to chat to you. Luck with the album, bitst of
luck with the touring.
Speaker 8 (43:35):
If you want to come tomorrow night. Let me know.
I'll put your names on the door.
Speaker 3 (43:38):
Thank you the chat, and I'll get your email address
and i'll find you that Please movie, please do, please do.
Speaker 8 (43:46):
Thanks, Thanks for the check.
Speaker 7 (44:00):
St is sound diama they're friends and trumpet. Hush hush, yeah,
the devil bad you when I cried. Oh, that's the
(44:24):
setti sound, Diama. That's the settest sound diable. That's the
settest sound DIAA. Take me in your stride, break me
(44:49):
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You were just sitting around the thumbs of her ass
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Speaker 1 (00:23):
Number four.
Speaker 4 (00:24):
Okay, Jerry, good to go, mate. You've that's how you
organize something. That's how it's just no fuss at all.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
The first time it's used to potty's making.
Speaker 4 (00:34):
A meat, there's no fuss. Well, what happened the last
time you tried to organize something's got the wrong? Bloody time?
Speaker 1 (00:41):
It was a disaster.
Speaker 4 (00:42):
Every time.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
You man has to know his limitations might.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
So just cranking us up.
Speaker 5 (00:52):
God, let's get busy, Get busy.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
It's the twenty ninth and the eighth and the year
of our Lord, twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Worth more. You bespoke, You donkies to the Daily Bespoke podcast.
Speaker 4 (01:25):
You should be ashamed of yourself. We've got Ricky Morris
on the podcast this morning, so interview that I've organized,
no thanks to you, and I've organized that. What's absolutely
no fuss at all.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Thanks.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
And he's on his way in and it's gonna it's
going so smoothly and and there you are doing the
let's get busy, and we've got Rocky Morris, one of
the great New Zealand vocalists, and that's your effort. Well,
that's what you could bring.
Speaker 1 (01:50):
I lost confidence.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
I was gonna try and sing Let's get busy in
the tune of there's nobody else in my life, There's
nobody comes within a country mile. We freaking live in
a simulation. Okay, because I rewatched the movie The Devil
Did Me Too last night, a movie that I produced
(02:12):
few years ago, because it's just something called a big
UK distribution deal. Years afterwards, it's on Amazon Crime and
at the moment and like a great present for Father's
Day is the book Lifeless Punishing. By anyway, I was
watching the Bloody movie and there it pops up because
(02:33):
we bought that song, we snked.
Speaker 1 (02:34):
It for our movie.
Speaker 3 (02:35):
And and then I played the song and I turned
to the Mississtanta and I say, we got that guy,
Rocky Morris on the Bloody pod. Tomorrow I arrive here.
And then I find out from Ruder that Jeremy's organizing it,
and I go, he's not. Rocky Morris isn't going to
make it along of Jeremy is organizing. He couldn't bloody
organize a beer in a whorehouse. It's not that's not
(02:57):
the same a beer and a beer, or a bear
like a beer, like a hairy, large gay man.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
Would be in a whorehouse. I would rather not organize
a beer in a whole house. I think it would
be a terrible idea. I think it's he's a bid
in a wholehouse. Is already there a beer and a brewery.
It's a pass up in a brewery.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
Mate, you can organize a piss up in a whoy
house up brewery person a whole house.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
That is what it is.
Speaker 4 (03:21):
I've got so many questions to ask Rerecky Morris.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
You've already asked them on the Seven Sharp.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
I've got more questions to ask him, have you. Yeah,
that story hasn't played yet seven Shop, hasn't it tonight?
Speaker 1 (03:31):
So this is the exclusive then, isn't it? Because it
doesn't come out first? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (03:34):
I love the name zumping the Seven Sharp story.
Speaker 1 (03:37):
I love the name Ricky Ricky.
Speaker 4 (03:39):
Oh, that's one of the questions I've got for Ricky.
It's such Why did you decide to spell ricky r?
I K K I.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
Because of Ricky Lake.
Speaker 4 (03:49):
She's spelled r I k K I is she thinks.
Speaker 1 (03:52):
You can always go on Ricky Lake. Excuse me, you can?
I put the suite system please you.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
I'm ready, you ready, I'm ready.
Speaker 6 (04:01):
Sure mm hmmm, oh.
Speaker 4 (04:15):
Shure.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
This is such a chill to keep.
Speaker 7 (04:17):
The great.
Speaker 8 (04:23):
Now basing the future.
Speaker 7 (04:30):
And looking here.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
We got this by here. I love that's so good that.
Speaker 9 (04:41):
It's so good.
Speaker 10 (04:44):
I'll never do I'll never ship.
Speaker 11 (04:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:07):
Not an easy song to say if you're a guy,
very very high.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Well here was My follow up question is maybe we
could talk to Ricky about it. But quite an effeminate
tone in his voice there that I'd like to ask
him about it?
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Would you say?
Speaker 3 (05:17):
It's Paul McCartney esk and how cleverly the tune works
and results resolves itself surprises you.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
He's very I know from speaking to him that he's
not unhappy with the way that it turned out still
and going back on it, is still proud of it.
I'm going to ask him the question, have you a
nuts dropped yet?
Speaker 1 (05:36):
Matey?
Speaker 11 (05:42):
That's a good yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
Is there a key change in the song. It sounds
like this should be a key change in the last chorus.
Speaker 4 (05:49):
I don't think there is.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Well, we could have done maybe better.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
I was just teaching my song about my son about
key changes.
Speaker 4 (05:54):
But there's the breakdown, but nobody else breakdown when.
Speaker 8 (05:59):
It breaks down?
Speaker 1 (06:00):
No, he isn't it colexily?
Speaker 11 (06:02):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (06:02):
But Junior, that was That was the first New Zealand
song I heard that. I thought sounded like a song
from overseas. Yeah, and I was. I think it came
out in nineteen eighty eight or something.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
October eighty eight was at the top.
Speaker 3 (06:21):
Of our chart, right, oh, Sex, Yeah, I think there
is a pacha give it to me.
Speaker 4 (06:31):
Here we go where the clickings coming in. This is
the breakdown, but this is the extended version.
Speaker 8 (06:38):
Here we go, Here we go, Here we go.
Speaker 4 (06:40):
This is the breakdown.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
But usually the key change comes after a breakdown like this.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
Abbradah, God, it's good.
Speaker 11 (06:58):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 6 (06:59):
The te change question, I know, no forward.
Speaker 7 (07:03):
Change, no.
Speaker 9 (07:09):
Change, wasn't it?
Speaker 1 (07:12):
No?
Speaker 4 (07:12):
No, there's no there's no need to stop. But we
can ask him why did you not? Why was the name?
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Did you ever keecht? That's a great question. Did you
ever think about a key change?
Speaker 4 (07:21):
Yeah, there's so many questions. We're going to ask you
about so many questions I organized as a rookie.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Short for Richard, I'm gonna ask that, is he actually
getting it across the line?
Speaker 4 (07:32):
Can you not ask that? Please?
Speaker 1 (07:33):
As rich I'm going to call him Richard.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
Don't call him Dick, Richard, don't call him.
Speaker 3 (07:39):
Deck Well ironic. My character in the movie The Devil
Did Me To his name is Dick.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
A little known fact about the movie. There's a bit
at the end where I'm wearing my undies. Earlier on
I'm just in my undies and the characters got running
a big downstairs in his sundies.
Speaker 2 (07:55):
So it's not you.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
Then, right, And in the last scene after Dick has
been he's been a brilliant film writing because afterwards tucked
it back end so he's basically behind the andes for
the last scene.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
Oh that is quite good because he had lost his virility.
Oh that's freaking scene. That is scene. That scene right there.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
You see why people are still spending the big bucks
on this film in twenty four Oh.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
Should we sold it for very little?
Speaker 8 (08:28):
There?
Speaker 3 (08:28):
You would be surprised how little we'll see it. Be
surprisy how little we played paid. Rocky Morris for that
song in the movies?
Speaker 2 (08:35):
Really did he?
Speaker 4 (08:35):
Just did you?
Speaker 8 (08:36):
Did you?
Speaker 1 (08:37):
Actually? Basically charity? We Alsill gave it to us for charity.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
When you want to get a film like a song
on a film, I mean a question for you. Many
the only one of this team that's worked on a
feature film, do you just as simple as like your producers,
just head up there and say, hey, we would like
to use this.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
I was the producer of the film.
Speaker 3 (08:52):
So to negotiate the hardest negotiations with with Andrew Fagan
around the song for Tuesday Morning. Oh yeah, he said,
I don't care what you pay me as long as
it's equal with what everyone else gets paid.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Oh that's fear.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
And I said, mate, well I'm paying everyone else a
fucking bag of lolly, so fuck you.
Speaker 1 (09:13):
That's been in the court set of since because we
paid Rockie Morris.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
A lot more, oh did you?
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Than a beg a longely still But anyway, you've got
to think about Rockie Morris. Tell us some more about him.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
Richard Morris, Richard Morris, Vicky what do you want to
know about him? Three forty five Live hosted three forty
five Live off the back of the song actually because
he came on three forty five Live and here is
out there.
Speaker 9 (09:35):
There is.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
You come in there and then we'll let you in
and three forty five Live. And then he was so
good on three forty five Live that they said to him,
why don't you come in for an audition because so
what's the space is leaving? And he did. He went, oh, okay,
I suppose I've not really ever thought of doing TV.
And then he was bloody good and I remember he
was good, like he was really good. Immediately he was
on and I was like, oh, this guy's got We
(10:00):
need to go to a break and we'll come back
with Ricky Morris.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Okay, let's do it. Let's take a break, and we're
back with Ricky Morris.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
And here he is. Welcome, Mesh.
Speaker 8 (10:26):
I'm not sure whether we've talked on the phone work Ricky.
Speaker 4 (10:30):
This is something we do on the Met and Jury podcast.
We just we are right, we are rolling and look.
I don't know absolutely, I don't know if you've ever
you know, you know, ever done something like this where
it's just rolling. It's crazy. I like it and you
just walk straight into it.
Speaker 8 (10:48):
Have I've literally just parked my car and got a coffee.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
Ye, how's the Northwestern.
Speaker 8 (10:53):
Shocking this morning? Actually, you know what, it's getting off
the motorway that's really hard. As soon as you hit
the CBD, it's like, oh my mind you I've just
been to Bali and I'll never ever complain about traffic.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
See.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
I believe this is a theory I've got. Instead of
spending billions on traffic management, we just need to fly people.
Like recently, not so long ago, I was in Bangalore
and I came back and I thought, there is no
traffic in Auckland. It's all a matter perspective. It's framing, isn't.
Speaker 8 (11:20):
It totally one?
Speaker 4 (11:22):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (11:23):
Yeah, I used to be here.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
Oh I was so nice to have you. We've just been.
We've just been talking about you. Have you behind my
bad massively?
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (11:30):
All though its many people do.
Speaker 3 (11:32):
It's recorded, though, so you could go back and listen
to it. So if it is backstabby, it's the worst
backstabbingone's ever done.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (11:39):
So, Ricky, people who are listening to the podcast, they'll
know you from lots of ways. I suppose they may
have seen you on TV back in the nineteen eighties
on three forty five Live that's how Oh no, I
actually first knew about you from from nobody else. You
your single smash It Single nineteen eighty eight, and then
after that you were I think you're interviewed on three
(12:01):
forty five Live.
Speaker 8 (12:02):
I was, Yeah, at the beginning of nineteen eighty nine,
I was a guest on three forty five Live. And
do you want me to tell the story about.
Speaker 4 (12:10):
Well, that would be great because what happened then, because
weirdly enough, I was I mean I watched every single
TV program that was recorded or filmed in New Zealand
from about nineteen eighty two through to about nineteen ninety
six as a kid, terrible television addict, and so I
followed your career, you know, from the start, you know,
(12:30):
in terms of in terms of television career. And I
remember it, and I remember you on three forty five Live,
and I remember think because I loved the song, and
I remember thinking that guy's really cool. I were really
cool on that and obviously the producers of three forty
five Live thought the same.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
Girl.
Speaker 8 (12:46):
Well, I fell into that job and it was quite
bizarre because, as I say, I was a guest on
the show, and the show in nineteen eighty nine. Three
forty five Live started off with Vanilla Bathfield and a
guy called Nigel Hurst who was he was a stand
up comic.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
Nobody remembers Nigel Hurst.
Speaker 8 (13:06):
Well, he was a stand up comic, but he's actually
a teacher and he still is a teacher at the
LASL College. But at that stage I think he was
maybe Beds Intermediate and Utata or somewhere like that, can't
quite remember.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
And it would have been quite full on being on
three forty five Live and a teacher.
Speaker 8 (13:21):
He well, he'd quit the teacher.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
Okay, because how did you get home from school?
Speaker 8 (13:27):
Because it would have been really cool. Only he would
fang it.
Speaker 3 (13:31):
I was only just getting home in time for three
forty five Live, and I lived in a small town.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
But you could skimp last period, I mean, And the
students said, love.
Speaker 8 (13:39):
It anyway, I digress, you digress. So so anyway, after
about two months of nineteen eighty nine, Nigel decided that
he didn't want to be on TV anymore. Oh yeah,
he missed his kids that you know, he's a primary
school teacher. He missed his kids, and he decided, I
don't want to do TV anymore. But much for him,
God bless him. And so anyway, they had a farewell
(14:02):
party for him on a Friday night, his last show,
and to celebrate. They've got a lot of people back
who had been guests. So there was me and Double
Jay and twice.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
The Tea and the.
Speaker 8 (14:18):
War Yeah, that was one of them.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
Robert d Frog Yeah, Wastewater.
Speaker 8 (14:24):
I think I sang on that and they they They
also did a remake of ses.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
A mod that's right.
Speaker 8 (14:31):
Yeah, anyway, I digress again. The Invaders, Yeah, I think
Ray was on it. Yea, God bless them. Sorry I
keep knocking the mic anyway.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
So it's good to save someone. It's great to have
someone with some Michael Whennis.
Speaker 4 (14:47):
We've got a guest with some Mica awareness.
Speaker 8 (14:50):
Anyway, So I was a guest on the show and
at the end of the show we said goodbye to Nigel.
Bye Nigel. They hadn't got anyone to replace him yet.
They've been auditioning, but they hadn't found anyone.
Speaker 1 (15:02):
Yep. So that's why Jeremy still they haven't got around
to replacing him.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
There, not thinking things through, not having a plan, surely not.
Speaker 8 (15:12):
So Fanella was freaking and she she we were talking afterwards,
we had a few drinkies up in the in the
kids department and TV and ZA and she said, why
don't you come in on Monday and just help me
out because we haven't found anyone. So she went and
talked to Stephen Campbell, who was the producer, and Stephen went, yeah,
that's a great idea. So I came in on the
Monday just as a kind of co host and and
(15:34):
I loved it. And at the end of the day
Stephen said, can you come back tomorrow because we haven't
found anyone yet. And it went on for the whole week.
And on the Friday we went and had drinks again
up in the kids room at Kid's Office, little parties
on that Kid Off Cheap as Jason Gunn was the
(15:54):
worst and and and Stephen said, you want to You've
got the job if you wanted. So I went, yeah, cool.
I loved it. And that was it. So I did
an audition. I just kind of.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
That's what proximity is important, isn't it. And in the
right place, it's got to be there. But you had chemistry, yeah,
you do. Your had chemistry?
Speaker 8 (16:16):
Well, I think you know a lot of a lot
of people struggled with Fanella because she was she was very,
very headstrong and and you know, nowadays women stand up
for themselves. Back then, Fanella stood up for herself and
it wasn't you know, we weren't quite PC in those days.
So she was shot down. What's she Yeah, especially by
(16:37):
the heads of like you know, the heads of the
children's department didn't like it, wearing ripped jeans and all that.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
I like that a lot.
Speaker 4 (16:45):
You'll tell you what I liked it. Yeah, I don't
know anybody who didn't like it.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
I mean, we just we were just talking before about
you coming on the show on our live show, and
then and then we also brought up Vanilla Bathfield. The
text machine exploded.
Speaker 4 (16:58):
It really did. But it was still those days, which
unfortunately we have drifted away from a little bit on
television now, which is something for the mums and something
for the dads, and you were something for the mums,
and for now that was something for the dads. And
I'll tell you what, there's got to be something for
the mums and dads.
Speaker 8 (17:17):
Yeah, yeah, that does. And we had good guests.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
Had incredible guests, incredible guests because we leveled because you
were having a huge market.
Speaker 8 (17:25):
Yeah, and there was no TV three until till the
following years, so we were up against Emmadale Farm.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (17:32):
You know.
Speaker 8 (17:34):
So it's a bit unfair really, no, but you.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
But the guests that came through, I mean BB King.
Speaker 8 (17:41):
Yeah, yeah, I interviewed BB King, which was probably one
of the highlights of my life. We had guys like
Roland Gift wank it from simply read what's his name? Yeah,
it's funny because about about six or seven years later
(18:02):
I played soccer against him because I'm soccer nut and
I was still playing in those days. And Warners, who
were their record company, simply reads for record company wherever,
simply read go in the world. They want to play
football because he's a big Manchester United fan, so simply
read played a Warner's eleven, which just happened to have
Noel Barclay and a couple of x all whites, and honestly,
(18:24):
you would have thought mc huckner was playing in a
FA Cup final. He was such a dick. Oh wow,
he was such a dick, Like he threatened to beat
up the ref because he awarded a penalty.
Speaker 3 (18:35):
You know, he's singing such beautiful songs you can still
detect that he's a dick. Just it's amazing how it
can come through.
Speaker 4 (18:41):
Well, that's interesting because as well, the UK press have
always been hard on him, and I suspect it's because
they knew he was a deck yet possibly, but you've
got to say, from one singer to another, great, the
guy's got great.
Speaker 8 (18:53):
Thing, Absolutely great singer. And I wouldn't mind having you know,
one percent of his bank backs.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
Now going back to that, and we really focused on
this area. But there were Philip Schofield speaking of people
that the British press are hard on.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
He was he was. He was in and about and
around them, wasn't he Sam?
Speaker 8 (19:13):
Yep? He was on Shazam? Isn't it Really? It's unfortunate
what happened.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
Ready to Roll at that stage was sort of operating
and I feel like hosting that was Robbie Rakati. Was
that a little bit later on?
Speaker 8 (19:28):
Might have been a bit later on?
Speaker 1 (19:30):
It was a TV wasn't he?
Speaker 11 (19:31):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (19:32):
I don't think they had a I don't think we
need to roll had a host.
Speaker 4 (19:36):
I just had that Une and Coca Cola Countdown or
something sort of Saturday morning show.
Speaker 8 (19:43):
Oh yeah, there were a whole lot of them, and
Robert Scott and one I had a thing going in
the maybe TV three in the early nineties. I remember
going on that once. So there was a bit of stuff.
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Feature okay, based to direct Coca Cola Countdown. I was
the studio director for that.
Speaker 4 (20:04):
Show long time when Robbie Rakat was on.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Much later.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
Their host was a someone called Alex Ban at that
time Alex Bean.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
It was pre beg rogga days, pre bet Bigrinner. Yeah.
Speaker 8 (20:17):
Yeah, so Radio Pictures was the big one. Oh, yes
night Hey, Yeah, Karen Hat and Dick Driver and Dick Driver,
Dick Driver. Mark Tierney as well was his host.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Very deep voice, Mark Kanni.
Speaker 4 (20:32):
Yeah, became a straw person, Yes he did.
Speaker 8 (20:35):
And now he's one of the top videographers and photographers
and he lives in America and yeah, he lives out
in the desert.
Speaker 4 (20:43):
Okay, So Ricky hello.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
Speaking of deep booming voices, we were talking about that.
You've got you can sing quite high.
Speaker 4 (20:50):
You can sing very high.
Speaker 8 (20:52):
I can sing very high.
Speaker 4 (20:53):
You can sing very high, and nobody else is a
hard song to sing if you're a guy with balls.
And so when you say balls dropped at that stage.
Speaker 8 (21:04):
Only just I was twenty eight twenty seven when I
recorded that. Fine, so yeah, they just there's.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
No free sure to go through puberty, just when it happens.
Speaker 8 (21:12):
But I'll tell you a story about that too, because
when I wrote that song, I came very quickly, so
to speak, and I recorded it on my little four
track machine. I had all the melody and all the instruments.
It was kind of like a country song to start with,
(21:32):
and I hadn't come up with any lyrics. So I
did a gig and late you know, I was driving
home from the skeg. It was probably like two o'clock
in the morning, and all of a sudden, all these
words started coming to me. I was like, shit, So
am I allowed to sweat?
Speaker 1 (21:50):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (21:52):
Yeah, oh fucking great. Yeah I'm late. So anyway, I
was living in a little beds at the back of
a friend's house and I got home at two o'clock
and I was paranoid that I was going to forget
all these words. So I went into my little bedsit
and got the mic and it was very bus two
in the morning, so I just sang it really quietly
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there's nobody, and I listened to it back the next morning,
I thought, shit, that's a great effect singing it really
quietly like the Beg's And I never thought I was
going to sing it like that, and I kind of
redid the vocals like that, and yeah, and it kind
of had its own little character or something to it. Yeah.
(22:36):
But when Ian and my brother Ian and I recorded it,
we actually slowed it down and I recorded it, and
then we sped it up to normal speed, which was
a very beatlesy things to do thing to do, and
it made that kind of chip monkey kind of.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
I was just saying it came along that it's got
Paul McCartney esque.
Speaker 8 (22:57):
It's an effect.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
Yeah, yeah, But we were filling around and we lowered it, didn't.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
We Yeah, I think we did.
Speaker 8 (23:04):
We lowered it awesome.
Speaker 4 (23:06):
It sounds like low.
Speaker 8 (23:09):
That's probably the key that it was recorded of, so
it was recorded in the key of G, but on
the record it's just under A. So we sped it
up that much. For people who are musicians or who
understand music, that's quite a lot.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
Speaking of which we were just discussing before he came in,
whether you contemplated, you know, changing key in the for
the final blast of the chorus.
Speaker 8 (23:34):
Nah, I wanted to do a key change and go
even higher. Yeah, I think you mean take it down
a bit. It's too high to say, you know, we
we did think about that coming out of the drum fill. Yeah,
but no, that's we've thrown every cliche this already. We
can't do a key change.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
Ricky, if you don't mind me showing you this ruder
in studio B is quite a quite a good music
and he actually he's locked up. But it would have
sounded like the end of your song with a key chain.
So this is what it might have sounded like. So
this is coming out of the breakdown.
Speaker 9 (24:08):
I guess yeah, wait for it.
Speaker 4 (24:26):
We shouldn't have done it, mate, Oh goodrda all the
people like me. He was struggling to reach.
Speaker 5 (24:35):
The note already.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
It would have been like, oh damn, oh.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
My god, we should have done it.
Speaker 8 (24:42):
It would have been a hit around the world. Oh mate,
I love it.
Speaker 4 (24:46):
It's funny because I was telling to you about the
song and it's in a lot of places. Great song
still sounds fantastic. It's aged particularly well well. And you
were telling me that because I said, do you ever
hear it in supermarkets? And stuff, bugger, I should have
maybe done that. So I should have done that and
you said no, No, I'm very happy with.
Speaker 8 (25:04):
It now we play you damn, damn, damn damn. Maybe
I'll rerecord it. I did re record it a few
years ago with a Nika and with a Nick Moore
and yeah, we did it for her show, and I
released it last year because it was like the thirty
fifth anniversary of going to number one. So I did
a thirty fifth anniversary version of it, which was just
(25:26):
a live take with my band and Anika sing bvs.
Which was amazing. Yeah, so cool.
Speaker 4 (25:32):
I'm always interested in the relationship that people have with
songs like that, like the songwriters, because they birth out
of you somehow in this weird way. I've never written song,
so I wouldn't know how, but I imagine they birth
out of you and then you give them to the world.
They go into other people's heads. That song's in my head.
I know the entire song, I know all the lyrics.
I'm walking around with it in my head all the time. Yeah,
(25:55):
it's kind of weird.
Speaker 8 (25:56):
It is weird.
Speaker 4 (25:57):
Does the relationship change over time, like I like your
relationship with your children sort of changes or is it
exactly the same.
Speaker 8 (26:07):
I don't know. It's a weird one because I still
love it as much as I did then, So.
Speaker 4 (26:16):
Thank God for that. Must be happy about that.
Speaker 8 (26:18):
Yeah, yeah, I do believe I've written better songs. But
it was, it was, you know, it was just a
moment in time all the I remember Neil Finn saying
once that when a when a song becomes a hit,
it's like it's like when you are picking a you're
picking the lock on a safe. It's like you all
the you know, all the little clickers line up, all
(26:40):
the planets line up, and it's like and it's really
it's like a snowball. It's really hard to stop it
once it starts. And for some reason, all the planets
lined up at that particular moment in time, and it
was Yeah, it was just I knew it was going
to be a hit though, right, I knew for ten
years that it was going to be a hit, right,
(27:01):
because I wished it into I did. And I'm not
a spiritual well I kind of A'm not really. I'm
a lapse Catholic, but I do believe in the power
of you know, positive thought. I'm not I'm not kind
of mad about it, But at that time in my life,
I knew I was going to write a number one single.
Speaker 11 (27:22):
Wow.
Speaker 8 (27:23):
And every night before I went to sleep, I just
I just saw it, you know.
Speaker 1 (27:28):
Wow.
Speaker 8 (27:28):
I just saw it every night for ten years. And
I do believe. And John Lennon said this, You've got
to be careful what you wish for. Yeah, it's and
it's not. Yeah, I believe. And I wish I could.
I wish I could remember how to do that. I'm
kind of forgotten now.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
You know, it's interesting that when you say about how
things fall into place with a song, because that song
is like the production on it is so clear and
it's it's out and forward like so all the those
things have to fall into place as well. Just have
such a distinctive production that we were so clear and
forward and the speakers and the vocals back.
Speaker 8 (28:09):
I can't I can't speak highly enough of my late
brother as a producer. I think he was a world
class producer and an amazing engineer. More than anything is.
He had ears and he knew, he knew what it
was amazing. We had this telepathic thing where I'd be
sitting on the couch and He'd be tweaking some stuff
and listening to you know, the certain instruments whatever, and
(28:33):
I'd just be thinking that doesn't quite work, and he'd
turn around about two minutes later and go, I don't
think that works, does it? You know? So we had
this amazing kind of chemistry in the studio which which
I miss And yeah, I think he just he was
the one who brought that song to life. He's the
(28:54):
one who recognized that. I didn't really know it was
going to be a hit when I wrote it because
it was a country song. But he saw something in it,
and he worked really hard at getting it. Sounds amazing,
getting those sounds together. It was just me and him.
There was no one else else. There was nobody else.
(29:14):
There was nobody else in the studio, nobody else, but
nobody else.
Speaker 4 (29:18):
A lot of people asked this question, I'm sure of
you because it was there. What has there been anybody
else since? Nobody else? Because clearly that's written about somebody
that you were. You were either trying to woo or
you'd maybe done something that you shouldn't have done, and
you were trying to make sure that you were trying
to get away a bit of your own guilt.
Speaker 8 (29:37):
It is. It is a yeah, something like that. I
am a Catholic after all. Survival.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
That's interesting you said that I thought that there was
a breakup song when I originally heard that.
Speaker 8 (29:51):
No, it wasn't. It was I had a fight with
my girlfriend at the time, Rebecca her name was, and
we'd been going out for a couple of years or
maybe a year or so, and we had a big
fight and she left and I was like, holy shit,
I'm in trouble. Oh and she was feisty, and I
(30:17):
thought I'll write her a song. So that's kind of
where it came from. And I played it to her
and it was like, oh, that's a beautiful thing. And
she came back here for a little while until I
met my first wife.
Speaker 1 (30:36):
My life an interesting song for me.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
I was just saying before, because I sometimes believe we
live in a simulation because I made a film in
about two thousand and six or seven, and there was
a scene when the edits and Sweet, and I was like, boy,
we need that song.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
Nobody else.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
Oh wow, And then I remember the other guys making
the film with and he goes, you can't just get
songs like that, can you? And then and then we
got that song. So what was the first called the
Devil Dead me too.
Speaker 8 (31:04):
I remember that, I remember the I remember the check.
Speaker 3 (31:10):
There's a guy, a guy whose girlfriend gets a leg
decapitated when she was little. And then they run into
each other again and he's been pining for her for
the longest time. And then he turns around and he's
working on a stunt site. And then it pans up
and and from the from the league that's been you
didn't know who.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
Was amputated, pans up and just has to go. I'll
see I'll send you a little bit of it.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
I'll see you the clip please, And we were like,
it's got to be that song well and then and
then and I'd never licensed songs before, so I was
trying to work out to ring Mushroom in Australia or
something like that.
Speaker 8 (31:43):
Mushroom owned my publishing at that they don't anymore.
Speaker 3 (31:46):
And they were like they didn't care because they were Australian.
So you ring them, we go you want for a
New Zealand film, it's and New Zealand song and they
just you couldn't find anyone to talk.
Speaker 8 (31:53):
To about it because they dropped me so that they
still had my publishing and he took my publishing money. Unbelie.
That's a story for the book. Yeah yeah.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
So what about tell us about the new album about time?
Speaker 8 (32:06):
Well, it's about time. Yeah, yeah, I guess it's twenty
eight years since I did an album.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
So it is definitely about time.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
Which is so you're twenty eight when then when you.
Speaker 8 (32:20):
Know, twenty eight when nobody else came out? Yeah, And
then I did an album in the mid nineties, so
I was in my thirties then now I'm sixty four.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
Jeez, you're looking good.
Speaker 4 (32:30):
Yeah, saying.
Speaker 8 (32:33):
Sixty four a couple of weeks ago on August the twelve.
Speaker 4 (32:37):
That's your skin care regime.
Speaker 8 (32:39):
No drugs and no alcohol, brilliant. That's my skin key.
Speaker 1 (32:44):
It's freaking working eighteen.
Speaker 8 (32:46):
Years and I believe that that is the that is
the key to eternal youth.
Speaker 4 (32:52):
Okay that and potentially did you grow up in the UK? Well,
you spend some years in the UK.
Speaker 8 (32:58):
I was born there and we immigrated in nineteen sixty six.
And I was just a nipper. Okay, you were just
a nipper. I do I do I have sorry to interrupt,
I have Dalmatian blood in me. I have Croatian blood
and Teas blood and Moldea on my mom's side.
Speaker 4 (33:17):
A very good looking people.
Speaker 1 (33:18):
The crash and it's a very fiery on the football field.
Speaker 8 (33:20):
Yeah, I think that's where my love of football. My
dad was a Jeordie. He was Wow. He was from
Stockton on Teas in the Northeast.
Speaker 3 (33:27):
So it must be interesting, like we're turning sixty four
as a Beatles fan, because you'll go your whole life,
you've been thinking about when I'm sixty four, and then
you're sixty four and you go, I'm sixty four.
Speaker 8 (33:35):
I went to Ballei and I was in Balley for
my birthday and I was working over there and I
sang that song of course your dad, and yeah, I thought, yay,
I'm going to sing this song on my birthday, and
it was you know, it's cool. It's a shit song
though it is. Actually it's really it's one of those
it's one of the ones that John.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
Called them, John Lennam call them. Pau McCartney's Granny song.
I'm so glad that when he said that, to break it,
So glad.
Speaker 8 (34:04):
All the granny songs he wrote, some shockers. He wrote
some good ones too, very controversial.
Speaker 4 (34:12):
Very good songs. So you're touring as well.
Speaker 8 (34:14):
Sorry, back to the album. So anyway, twenty eight years
and every year since I released this album in ninety
ninety six or whenever it was, I thought, I'm going
to do an album. I'm going to do another album.
I'm going to do it. But life kind of got
in the way and I had to make a living,
you know, I had children, Yeah, and I had other
(34:38):
kind of things going on in my life and a
marriage breakup and all that sort of shit, and it
just yeah, I just kind of kept putting it off
and putting it off. And to be honest, you know,
I don't have a lot of I guess there's also
that severe lack of self worth and good og Catholic stuff,
(35:00):
you know that I'm not good enough to do that,
and I'm too old to do that. Every excuse under
the site you to give to that stuff if you
can know. Yeah, But then in twenty eighteen, I did
a gig at the Mount Eden Village series and I
sold it out and I was like, which was about
one hundred and thirty people, it's certainly not Oasis, And
(35:24):
I thought, and I got my band together and we
played all these songs and a few new ones, and
I thought, hmm, I'm going to tell anyway. A couple
of months later we were we started recording at the
Lab and then long and again and then Lockdown, and
then we got into COVID, and COVID actually helped because
it gave me the.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
Were you working with Oli at the lab?
Speaker 8 (35:44):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (35:44):
Great news.
Speaker 8 (35:45):
Yeah, he's amazing and yeah, and then I just it
was going to be an EP, and then I just
thought I might as well just keep going. So it
comes out tomorrow, August the thirtieth, and I can't believe.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
I can't believe it's digitally and vinyally.
Speaker 5 (36:01):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (36:02):
Yeah, pick up the vinyl tomorrow awesome. Yeah, yeah yeah,
And I'm doing some shows. I'm doing a show tomorrow
night at the Tuning at the Tuning Fork, thirtieth at
the Tuning Fork.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
And then I can go through them if you want.
Speaker 3 (36:15):
Saturday, thirty first of August YEP at Room twenties and
Nelson and then yeah, Sunday the first.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
Oh, I'm and Dneed and Christ. Then on Sunday the first, Yeah.
Speaker 8 (36:25):
We're out at the Shelter, which is out in Lincoln
probably so cool. And Jed Parsons parents play out there. Wow,
it's cool, it's really cool. And then the Jam Factory
in Totong. We're not doing Hamilton by the way.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
Not doing Hamilton. I won't read that one out. And
then New Plummouth at the Fourth War Theater.
Speaker 8 (36:41):
Yeah. So it's a little short run. Yeah, not so
much gigs, but little celebrations. I just thought, if I'm
going to release an album, I don't want to just
release an album and you know, I don't know. I
just thought I might as well do some shows to
one hundred people if they want to turn out.
Speaker 4 (37:00):
Also, you've been you've been playing with the dudes? Yeah,
and so did you do a show last.
Speaker 8 (37:06):
Weekend on Saturday night? A sold out show? People say
we've sold out. We sold out. We sold out the
power Station on last Saturday night and it was amazing.
It was the best dude's crowd I have ever seen.
And you know, I've seen probably close to two hundred
dude shows.
Speaker 9 (37:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (37:24):
Well, in my time, we were Roady, Yeah, Roady and
your brother's band yep. I was back in the day,
So you have seen them a lot over the years,
and this crowd on Saturday night. Man, they were up
for it and they were happy. They were just so
happy and coshurious, and you know we were a little bit,
you know, because Dave's Dave Dobbin's not in the band anymore.
(37:47):
With that that has you know, he made it that
very clear that he didn't want to do anymore at
the end of the last tour in twenty twenty and
but over the year, over the four years since we
last played, we've all been the rest of us have
just been going. We want to keep going. So Dave
with you know and Lorraine as manager, have given us
(38:09):
their blessing to carry on. Yeah, which is cool. And
you know, Dave's got his own thing, you know, he never,
he never, you know, the dudes is old time for him.
You know, he doesn't need the.
Speaker 3 (38:22):
Dudes, although he plays dude songs when he plays does
recently he would have done Bliss and he did Bliss
and be Mine tonight.
Speaker 8 (38:32):
Yeah, of course he has to do those. But so
we've got we've got Bred Adams to come in and
play guitar with us, and it's a totally different vibe
as it would be without Dave. But it seems to worked.
It worked really well, and we're hoping to do more shows. Yeah,
I think maybe some festively kind of things we're looking
at over summer. So cool something has just been announced
(38:55):
and the younger or funger maitar I can't remember which
way kick down one of those selling.
Speaker 4 (39:04):
Out a gig though, and then looking at and then
having a whole bunch of happy people singing back to
you must give you a great energy that must fill
you up.
Speaker 8 (39:13):
Well, you know, for me personally, playing in my favorite
band of all time is and seeing all those people
having fun and singing all those songs, and it's just
it's kind of the.
Speaker 4 (39:25):
Worldly, spiritual experience.
Speaker 8 (39:27):
It's like playing in the Beatles or something. You know,
It's like, but the Dudes are my favorite apart from
the Beatles. Maybe the Dudes are my favorite band of
all time. So to be asked to join the band
is like, it's it's mind blowing for me.
Speaker 4 (39:42):
So you have always been a big fan of pop music, Yeah,
and you must be super excited about what the world
of pop music's offering up at the moment, because it's
it's kind of the most interesting part of music, like
in terms of production and experimental and all sorts of stuff.
Speaker 8 (40:02):
Yeah, there's there's certainly a lot of stuff out there.
There's a lot of stuff that I don't particularly like.
A lot of it I find quite seey. But there's
little there's little what do you call rose buds that
poke up now and again. My favorite band at the
moment is a band called the Lemon Twigs who are
from Brooklyn. Has two brothers, the Dadariol brothers, Brian and Machael,
(40:26):
and they are like a cross between the Beach Boys,
the Beatles, the Raspberries, Gilbert O'Sullivan and you know, I
like they're incredible and quite experimental as well. Yeah, they're
my favorite band. And they actually they were actually in
Australia last year and I couldn't get to that one
of these shows. I was going to fly over and
(40:47):
see them, The Lemon Twigs.
Speaker 4 (40:48):
I think we've got a little bit of Lemon Twigs here.
Speaker 8 (40:53):
That's lep Off their latest album. It's great.
Speaker 4 (41:00):
I got a great look about it. We've got Beatles
sort of nineteen seventy one Beatles haircuts.
Speaker 8 (41:06):
Yeah, they very retro, you know, all the everything that
they have. They play rickenbackers and you know, I understand
and the bass black plays are Hofner and you know,
but they're not a they're not a Beatles covers band,
you know. They and their dad was Ronnie Ddario was
a quite a he never quite broke through, but he
(41:28):
was a singer songwriter in his own right. So yeah,
they're great, they're they're They're my favorite band at the moment.
But I also love some of the new country stuff
that's coming out.
Speaker 11 (41:37):
You know.
Speaker 8 (41:37):
It's like, I really like Casey Musgraves. I think she's amazing.
There's a couple of others like Mareon Morrison. Obviously I
love her because she's got a great name. There's a
few that I like. I don't particularly like the you know,
Luke Holmes is my youngest daughter will hate me.
Speaker 4 (41:54):
For some.
Speaker 8 (41:57):
But yeah, there's there's little there's always little pockets of Actually,
you know What've I love at the moment is Mike
Hall's new.
Speaker 1 (42:04):
Yes, we just had him on to talk about it. Wow,
that's a great album.
Speaker 8 (42:07):
And him and Joel Mulholland together is like.
Speaker 3 (42:10):
Out of the Lamb as well Fridgehip some knock at
crany of the Lamb.
Speaker 8 (42:14):
Ye yep, it's Joel's little studio upstairs. Yep, that's a
great record. That's a great record. I quite like that
kind of just slightly off center, kind of poppy, melodic thing,
which is the antithesis of my of me. My my
album is very melancholy. And I'm a ballady, you know.
(42:36):
I like writing ballads, That's my thing. So a lot
of the songs. I've been searching for the perfect to
write the perfect love song, and I think there is.
I write a song about my wife, Janey, and and
I think it's as close as the perfect love song
ballad that I will ever.
Speaker 4 (42:57):
What's it called.
Speaker 8 (42:57):
It's called jane Ah. But you'll be able to Yep,
you'll be able to hear it tomorrow. You can play
some now, we.
Speaker 1 (43:07):
Can play the we We've got the saddest we can
play the Saddest Sound.
Speaker 8 (43:09):
Okay, yep, Sadest Sound, which my brother wrote. Ian wrote
that just after the Dudes broke up in nineteen eighty.
Speaker 10 (43:15):
So it's a little tribute to him.
Speaker 4 (43:25):
We should go out on us. Ricky, thanks so much
for coming and getting on the Matagery podcast. Always great
to chat to you. Luck with the album, bitst of
luck with the touring.
Speaker 8 (43:35):
If you want to come tomorrow night. Let me know.
I'll put your names on the door.
Speaker 3 (43:38):
Thank you the chat, and I'll get your email address
and i'll find you that Please movie, please do, please do.
Speaker 8 (43:46):
Thanks, Thanks for the check.
Speaker 7 (44:00):
St is sound diama they're friends and trumpet. Hush hush, yeah,
the devil bad you when I cried. Oh, that's the
(44:24):
setti sound, Diama. That's the settest sound diable. That's the
settest sound DIAA. Take me in your stride, break me
(44:49):
with your bride.
Speaker 1 (45:14):
Hello, I'm Matt Heath.
Speaker 3 (45:15):
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Bespoke podcast. Right now you can listen to our Radio
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Speaker 3 (45:40):
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I'll let you go.
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