Ponsonby Pigeon Shooting - The Radio Highlights Pod September 4

Today on the radio show, find out what happens when pigeons are shot in suburban Auckland, and discover what Old English sounded like back in 200 BC!

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Mantain Jerry Show.

Speaker 2 (00:01):
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Speaker 4 (00:15):
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Speaker 1 (00:17):
Night, Good morning and welcome along to the Matin Jerys Show. Wednesday,
the fourth of September twenty twenty four.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
Good news everyone, It's hump Day, the twenty ninth official
hump day of twenty twenty four. A hump day, of course,
can only fall on a Wednesday of a full five
day Monday to Friday working week, so there are only
officially forty three hump days in twenty twenty four. And
as I said, this is the twenty ninth hump day,
hump Day being.

Speaker 1 (00:42):
I've the middle of the week, do we no matter?

Speaker 5 (00:44):
Half days now?

Speaker 1 (00:46):
Lots coming up this morning on the Mountain Jerry Show,
the latest Oasis News. What did yoldie English sound like?
We bring you all the details.

Speaker 2 (00:55):
I bet you can't understand it, because I was I
read somewhere that if you went back to Shakespeare's you
might as well go to Germany. Germany now compared to
the X you wouldn't be able to understand a word
of what people say.

Speaker 1 (01:05):
We've gone all the way back in time and we've
recorded people from from eleven hundred all the way through
to seventeen hundred, and we know what it sounds like.
We've recorded them wow, and we we're going to play
you exactly.

Speaker 5 (01:18):
What that sounds like.

Speaker 2 (01:18):
You didn't bring the plague back with you? God, I
hope you didn't bring them up the Black Death back
with you.

Speaker 1 (01:25):
After seven o'clock, Norman Ohler, author of Blitzed and Tripped,
joins us on the Mountain Jerry Show.

Speaker 5 (01:31):
What an interesting man he is?

Speaker 6 (01:33):
Then Matt and Jerry Show podcast.

Speaker 1 (01:35):
So did you see yesterday an Auckland man was shooting
pigeons from his Herne Bay property, up market hen Bay property.

Speaker 2 (01:42):
Whenever anyone's driving a nice car or lives in a
nice house of whatever happens, it's kind of like that
you get shamed for it. So he's doing something wrong allegedly. Yeah,
but it's in an up market bay.

Speaker 1 (01:55):
Property, that market Hernbay property. It's sparked the lockdown at
a nearby promier.

Speaker 5 (01:59):
Score this. My kids are primary school, Ponsonby Primary.

Speaker 1 (02:03):
So apparently officers responded to report that a man with
a gun was it a Ponsonby property at ten am.
It turns out that it was a BB gun and
he was lawfully shooting pigeons on his property.

Speaker 2 (02:14):
Well, a BB gun a bbe So it was a
visual thing. People saw the gun because a BB gun
doesn't make any sound.

Speaker 5 (02:23):
No, it doesn't make any sound, doesn't.

Speaker 1 (02:25):
So the property borders the grounds of Ponsonby Primary School,
which at that time self initiated a lockdown as a precaution.
I mean, as you would. Yeah, you've got some dude
with a gun. Yeah, you got to do that. To
do that, they that was exactly what they needed.

Speaker 2 (02:37):
To do because because I mean, the lockdown's one thing
that's inconvenient. You've got it wrong and it's a BB
gun and you got but the reverse situation is so
bad that it's worth a lockdown. Yeah, absolutely, And.

Speaker 1 (02:48):
As we know overseas and stuff, it's not completely foreign
for people to have guns at schools, et cetera. So
the school's website said, please do not come to the
school or phone the school as you will not be
attended to and this may cause disruption to the management
of this incident and could potentially place yourselves and or
our staff and student safety at risk. So in the end,

(03:09):
they lifted the lockdown at eleven forty am.

Speaker 2 (03:11):
Because all these schools now do these lockdown practices whatever
you call it, you know, drills. Yeah, and they seem
silly to me, but until something like that happened, and
you'd be like, I'm glad they did.

Speaker 1 (03:26):
Yeah, well, my daughter's school had one the other day.
But I'm always alerted to them via text. Do you
get alerted via text? Yeah, I'll get a text. It's
like the school is currently in lockdown.

Speaker 5 (03:35):
I was.

Speaker 1 (03:35):
I didn't even know, Yeah, if the kids were at
school or wagging or what they're doing.

Speaker 5 (03:38):
To be honest, my.

Speaker 2 (03:39):
Son was complaining that it goes that the only strategy
they seem to be an employing is that you hide
under your desk.

Speaker 1 (03:44):
Oh, is that what they do during the lockdown?

Speaker 2 (03:46):
Yeah, they go It's kind of like the duck and
cover situation from the nuclear wars and the earthquake. It's
all the same. You all do the same thing, get
under your desk and like, okay, but yeah, you kind
of like get a bit cynical.

Speaker 5 (04:04):
The girl.

Speaker 2 (04:05):
We're just trying to Are we importing fears from the
United States of America because you know, we're so focused
on that country because there has never been a school
shooting in New Zealand, is there.

Speaker 5 (04:13):
No, there hasn't.

Speaker 2 (04:13):
But but then as soon as there is one, then
you go, well, I.

Speaker 1 (04:17):
Know, yeah, exactly, No, I think that's I think that
was totally the right thing to do. I mean, that's
fun for the kids. Yeah, what were these pigeons doing that?

Speaker 5 (04:25):
The guy was shooting them, That's what.

Speaker 1 (04:26):
I want to know.

Speaker 2 (04:28):
And his upmarket hernbe property, yeah, or they upmarket pigeons.

Speaker 1 (04:33):
I'm just seeing a look at them now, Oh, they
look like nice looking pigeons. They have pretty fancy, fancy pigeons.

Speaker 6 (04:37):
And Mat and Jerry Show podcast.

Speaker 1 (04:39):
So big news last week that Leam and Noel Gallagher
have got the band back together an Oasis playing fourteen
gigs seventeen.

Speaker 2 (04:46):
Now, why didn't we have wall to wall blanket coverage
of us. I think you fire we did if you
look back through the logs across.

Speaker 1 (04:53):
So the tour is called Oasis Life twenty five and
there's been rumors that they'll be following that up with
dates around the world. There's even talk about a couple
of gigs at Edon Park here.

Speaker 2 (05:03):
I was in Adheden, Pak yesterday and they're removing the
west part of the West stand. They had those crunchy
you know, those cranes, but they've got a cruncher on it.
They got like a they got like a dinosaur's face
on it. They're ripping those dands to pieces to make
more room for stages.

Speaker 1 (05:20):
In preparation for Oasis.

Speaker 2 (05:21):
Well, I was wondering if Oasis. Yeah, Oasis will probably
do six ggsiting part.

Speaker 5 (05:25):
So apparently, Yesaidy.

Speaker 1 (05:26):
There's a new billboard that went up in the US
and it appears to have been put out by Amazon Music,
and it says, if we need to put a billboard
up to get these guys to come to the States
here it is but ruder reckons that you wouldn't be
able to put that billboard up without permission from the
band ah using their images.

Speaker 7 (05:45):
Also a massive Oasis logo in the middle of it
as well, which is quite intriguing.

Speaker 2 (05:49):
Yeah, well, I mean Amazon Music don't put on concerts,
they do they but they do sell Oasis as music.

Speaker 1 (05:56):
Yes, So apparently gambling companies in the UK of off
at all of four to one in a ways of
splitting up before their twenty twenty five tour start.

Speaker 2 (06:05):
So four to one, four to one, so for being
the most likely and one being the least likely or.

Speaker 5 (06:12):
Four to one. Yeah, so that's like what is four?
Is that four dollars basically? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (06:17):
Four dollars so not bad. I mean four dollars.

Speaker 5 (06:20):
That's good. Eat it?

Speaker 1 (06:22):
I reckon it's bloody, could eat it. Oh it's till
the reunion to it ends. Okay, so you get that
that's going through all the whole tower. Well that's interesting,
isn't it? But can I get on that?

Speaker 5 (06:31):
Get on that?

Speaker 1 (06:32):
Yeah? What if you're Noel or Liam Gallagher?

Speaker 2 (06:34):
You do a contract where you're gonna get paid either
and then you drop, You drop all the money you're
getting paid for the concerts on yourself.

Speaker 1 (06:42):
Because it's not like sports.

Speaker 2 (06:43):
They haven't signed any deal to be part of the
the gambling, have they.

Speaker 5 (06:47):
No, they haven't.

Speaker 1 (06:47):
They they're not.

Speaker 2 (06:48):
They're not under ICC regulations or anything.

Speaker 5 (06:50):
Oh jeez, you've that's a that's a good plan.

Speaker 2 (06:52):
They could go into William Mill that will just do
will we when we Willmam Hill and drop fifty million
on us breaking up? Next thing? You know, you go
up to Liam give them the bird Downtraim and the
band's over.

Speaker 1 (07:03):
Yeah, and you've got two hundred million.

Speaker 5 (07:05):
Yeah. Good plan.

Speaker 1 (07:06):
Coming up after the sixty news headlines The Wonderful world
of disappointed Harry Potter fans. This is the Mat and
Jerry Show radio headocke.

Speaker 4 (07:13):
When I want to hear my favorite couple, Matt and
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Matty, Jeremy Wells, the Maiden Cherry Show.

Speaker 2 (07:29):
It's sixty one time for your radio Podaking news headlines
with Jeremy.

Speaker 1 (07:33):
Weiss fears that a new levy is making New Zealand
a less attractive place to visit overseas. Tourists will have
to pay one hundred dollars at the border from next month,
an increase of sixty five buck.

Speaker 2 (07:43):
Do you reckon that makes any difference? Because I heard
someone this morning on Ryan Bridges Show saying, like from
the trauma tourism industry, that will remove forty eight thousand visitors.
But I went to India recently a couple of years ago,
and there was just a charge to get in. It
was like seventy bucks. You got a lot of places
and there's that charge. I don't think that's the difference.
I don't think if you've come all the way to

(08:03):
New Zealand, and I do think tourists need to pay
because they rip around their country and you know, as
everyone knows famously, we're paying insane amounts of rates in
cities and it's going up every year. So the tourists
have to freaking pay to come here.

Speaker 1 (08:20):
Right Yeah, there's some interesting places like tech Apol, for example,
where all the things that you do are free. Yeah,
so who pays for those? And that's a really popular
spot to come to. But also if you you know,
when you buy an air fare and then it adds
like some taxes on to the end of it, you
never turn around and say, you know what, I'm not
going to go to that country because of that. You
don't even know why it is, No, you don't. Australians

(08:42):
don't have to pay. Pacific countries in the Pacific don't
have to pay.

Speaker 2 (08:48):
You have to pay to go to Australia.

Speaker 1 (08:49):
Right well, they don't have to pay to come here.
You have to pay, but not the not the high levee.
Oh yeah, I see what you're saying. Like the Australians,
I thought no.

Speaker 2 (08:55):
But but Australians will charge Americans or people from China, Yeah,
not quite as much as ours.

Speaker 1 (09:01):
Yeah, but I just don't think. I think to come
to New.

Speaker 2 (09:03):
Zealand is such a long way and such a problem.
And if Australians aren't paying, make bloody Australians pay. What
are we talking about? But everyone should pay. But I
just don't think that that's the difference. I just don't think.
And you wouldn't hear it about it till till the
end in one hundred bucks that's four drinks nowadays.

Speaker 1 (09:21):
Yeah, I agree, I don't think it'll I reckon there.
Maybe less than less than half a percent of people.

Speaker 2 (09:28):
Charge the bastards. And when they arrive, if they ask
for directions, give them bogus directions.

Speaker 1 (09:34):
Well okay, yeah, just run them around the place. Yeah,
so they don't know what's going on.

Speaker 2 (09:39):
We bring tourists here to absolutely milk them. That's what
we do. We charge them insane amounts. If you think
one hundred dollars at the border, you should see any event,
any activity you try and do any New Zealand as
a tourist is whatever price you think, it'll still surprise you.
How expensive.

Speaker 1 (09:56):
It is wait till they trying to go zorban. The
owners of the Black bo In on the West Coast
a changing tech and their mission to pass the pub on.
They've had no offers, so they've decided to lease it
and sell in a few years. The pub, only one
of two in the area, will shut on the nineteenth
of this month if no one claims it.

Speaker 2 (10:13):
That's where the Labor Party started at black Ball, wasn't it. Yeah,
that's right through miners and such.

Speaker 1 (10:19):
And Brenda McCallum will become England's new white Ball men's
cricket coach from January, combining the role with his existing
Red Bull duties. McCullum has agreed to a deal which
extends to the next fifty over World Cup in South
Africa in twenty twenty seven. He'll guide the Test squad
through to England's next home ashes campaign.

Speaker 2 (10:36):
Also that year I saw Pat Cummins. He was attached
to some electrodes and he's been asked questions and if
he lied, it was attached to a light detector and
some electrodes. Did you see this?

Speaker 5 (10:49):
No?

Speaker 2 (10:50):
And they were asking him difficult questions and one of
them was is basball rubbish and he said absolute rubbish
and didn't get zapped and it didn't come up as
a low l Yeah.

Speaker 1 (11:00):
Okay, he believes the best ball as well. Yeah, I
think he genuinely does. They won that last so there
we go. Up next the Wonderful World of disappointed ri
Botter fans.

Speaker 2 (11:13):
Oh you do so, Ariporter not Harry Potter must have
been becoming a fan.

Speaker 6 (11:17):
The Mat and Jerry Show podcast.

Speaker 5 (11:19):
Time for.

Speaker 2 (11:21):
The Wonderful world of dish You appointed Aripotter funds.

Speaker 1 (11:25):
Nice right dish point at Aripotter booed after an annual
announcement at London's King Cross railway station did not happen.

Speaker 5 (11:33):
What Yeah, they booed.

Speaker 1 (11:35):
They gathered at the station hoping to hear a message
on the public address system that the fictional Hogwarts Express
would depart from platform nine and three quarters at eleven am,
as it does in the Box and movies. The Back
to Hogwarts tradition, which celebrates the start of each academic
year at Hogwarts School every first of September, has previously

(11:57):
also involved the train service being displayed on departure boards,
with hundreds of fans attending The twenty twenty three event,
but King's Cross did not mark the occasion on Sunday.

Speaker 5 (12:07):
They couldn't be bothered. Yeah, video shows.

Speaker 1 (12:10):
An expecting crowd counting down to eleven am and then
booing when nothing happens. Mine cares.

Speaker 9 (12:33):
So.

Speaker 2 (12:34):
Warner Brothers announced back in July that they own the
Uddy Potter franchise, released the statement announcing that they would
be no back to Hogwarts event this year.

Speaker 1 (12:42):
Yeah, it's because there's too many people that go to
King's Cross Station for the event and it causes disruptions
at King's Cross Station.

Speaker 5 (12:50):
Right, it's already rammed. It's rammed.

Speaker 1 (12:53):
And then you got all these ariy pot them muppet's
like you two turning up there waiting for the stupid announcement,
running a shopping trolley with an owl in it, at
a at a pillar and it's too hard to bloody
run the place. Oh yeah, you've just got these people
standing around just because they want to see some announcements
and said, bigger off you lot. Just imagine it.

Speaker 2 (13:15):
What dementors, what life sucking fun sucking a holes they
are at King's Cross Station for not doing that, just
one day of disruption.

Speaker 1 (13:27):
Who gives a crap, brought too many people into the station.

Speaker 2 (13:31):
There's too many people having fun in the station, and
that's not what station. We don't want joy. We don't
want one wonder. We want trains leaving on time with
minimum disruption. All right, you air botty fans, get our hair.

Speaker 1 (13:46):
You're like vermin. That's the official statement from Warner Brothers
in The King's.

Speaker 6 (13:53):
Cross, the Mass and Jerry Show podcast.

Speaker 1 (14:03):
So the Alex playing South Africa Cape Town this weekend,
probably three thirty or something like that. That's normally what
time it is. They're playing the afternoon.

Speaker 2 (14:11):
There, and you're wrestling your run kids out a bid
to watch South African games in the middle of the night. Nah,
well you don't tamp them out with a hot chocolate
in a blink.

Speaker 1 (14:21):
I know, but I did make you go hot chockey.
We started watching six forty five. Do you call them
hot chock Le's hot chocky? We call them hot Chocolate's
in their family choco lee.

Speaker 5 (14:30):
Oh, you've you've left another you've left another consonant on that.

Speaker 1 (14:33):
Yeah, I don't know why my parents called them. Would
you like a hot chocolate?

Speaker 5 (14:36):
Get up?

Speaker 1 (14:37):
We've dropped the album. We've just gone with hot chocky.
Yeah right, yeah, so yeah, that's such good games. So
there's something about South African gamesphere.

Speaker 2 (14:46):
Especially at Ellis Park last week. How close is the
crowd to the players and how that's the absolute caudron,
isn't it, Alice, I'm just trying to think of Cape
Town not as much of a caudron as it.

Speaker 5 (14:58):
No, it's not.

Speaker 1 (14:59):
So it's on the low. Yeah, so it's down at
sea level. So apparently South Africa and the New Zealand
Rugby Union have reached an agreement and they're gonna they're
gonna crank up the full tours again. Oh brilliant. So
it's going to be twenty twenty six.

Speaker 2 (15:17):
This is great news.

Speaker 5 (15:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (15:19):
So the AB's are going to the Republic for eight matches,
three tests, wow, four contests against domestic clubs and one
match against South Africa. A.

Speaker 2 (15:28):
That's what we're after. That is so freaking good.

Speaker 1 (15:30):
Yes, So it's the first tour that they've had there
since nineteen ninety six. Remember when we won our first
series over there?

Speaker 2 (15:36):
Oh my goodness, it's amazing it. His first series was
one in nineteen ninety six. That incredible history of New
Zealand Rugby going back to the Invincibles and such, and
the first time we'd won a Test series in South
Africa was nineteen ninety six.

Speaker 1 (15:49):
I hope that they go full noise and they even
going with the home referees. Let's really make it difficult.
Let's do the guys used to have to do when
they's to tour in the fifties and sixties home reffs.

Speaker 5 (16:03):
Nobody knew what the hell was going on, but.

Speaker 2 (16:05):
What bluddy well it felt like a home reff with
Buddy Bongie, Mum Darbie. Oh the knock on bongie, yeahmbr Narbie.

Speaker 1 (16:15):
Then apparently I don't think it was quite getting the
name of Bongee.

Speaker 5 (16:19):
Yes, right, you got that.

Speaker 2 (16:20):
But right, and then you've got im in bond Narby.
So do you not say the in no that you
do so the bonging umber Narbi.

Speaker 1 (16:28):
So then the South African I don't I avoid saying wise. Yeah,
So the box are coming here in twenty thirty, twenty thirty, yeah,
twenty thirty. Well I won't be with us anymore, just
a couple of sleeps away.

Speaker 2 (16:44):
Yeah, and we'll have a welle a bridge you bridge
the north Shore and tunnel from Bacton to Wellington.

Speaker 1 (16:53):
At least we'll be charging one hundred bucks as tourists
to come over here.

Speaker 6 (16:56):
Then That and Jerry Show podcast.

Speaker 1 (16:58):
Coming up after seven o'clock. We're going to chat to
Norman Ohler. He's an acclaimed novelist and screenwriter and you
may or may not have read his book Blitzed So Good,
which is about Nazis and the use of myth amphetamine
and well pre Second World War.

Speaker 2 (17:15):
Basically, yeah, and during the Second World War, and that's
that was the that's why they had the blitz. Click
was just everyone was on myth so even arrived at
the same time. Everyone thought it was a strategy, but
it was just a bunch of meth heads turning up
for a fight.

Speaker 5 (17:27):
Yeah. So so we're going to chat to Herman there.

Speaker 1 (17:30):
Also, he's got a new book out called Tripped Nazi Germany,
the CIA and the Dawn of the Psychedelic Age.

Speaker 2 (17:36):
This guy he loves talking about Nazis taking drugs.

Speaker 1 (17:39):
Yeah, was Hitler on LSD. We'll find out after seven
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Speaker 6 (18:01):
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Speaker 5 (18:16):
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Winn't say.

Speaker 1 (18:19):
The fourth of September twenty twenty four.

Speaker 2 (18:21):
The term huge show is bandied about a lot when
it comes to the Mat and Jerry Brick for show
with Mashi.

Speaker 1 (18:26):
But I feel like it's it's real today. I feel
like this really is a huge show.

Speaker 2 (18:32):
What have we got?

Speaker 1 (18:33):
Well a little later on and this is very very exciting.

Speaker 5 (18:36):
Ruder, our executive producer.

Speaker 1 (18:37):
Has unearthed some actual recordings of people going all the
way back to two hundred BC. Wow, here how English
came about how we speak the way that we speak?
So were they recorded with Flint and Stone?

Speaker 5 (18:50):
Yeah, I don't know. I think they had a digital
debt recorder. How did they going around?

Speaker 1 (18:56):
Yeah, he's taken a time machine back, gone through West Germanic,
Anglo Free Old English, Middle English, Late Middle English, early
Modern English, and then Modern English, which is from eighteen
hundred to the present day. And you hear how it's
developed into how we speak now. It's very interesting.

Speaker 2 (19:12):
I'm very interested.

Speaker 6 (19:13):
Then That and Jerry Show podcast.

Speaker 1 (19:15):
So yesterday on the Daily Bespoke podcast, we talked to
Norman Ohler, acclaimed novelist and screenwriter. He's best known for
his book Blitzed Drugs in Nazi Germany, and he's followed
that book up with his latest one, Tripped Nazi Germany
the CIA in the Dawn of the Psychedelic Age. And
we began by asking Norman where the Nazi relationship with

(19:38):
LSD came from.

Speaker 11 (19:39):
Well, the Nazis were very paranal with people that everyone
is against them and that the enemy is everywhere. That
feeling got stronger as the war went on because the
war obviously didn't go well for the Nazis, so they
suspected that, you know, they're more traders in their own ranks,
and then they had the idea. Yeah, the Gestapo and

(20:01):
the SS had the idea to develop what they call
the truth drug. They were very interesting in drugs from
the beginning. They try to actually find the truth drug,
like a drug you give to someone and then that
someone will tell you everything he or she knows without
you know, being able to hold anything back. So in
nineteen forty three, when also the assassination attempts to again

(20:23):
sit there were on the rise.

Speaker 5 (20:25):
I mean it wasn't just one.

Speaker 11 (20:26):
It was like many attempts on his life. So he
especially became extremely paranoid. And the search for the truth
drug was you know, the order was coming all the
way from the top, so what could be the truth drug?
Masculine was a candidate. They put drops of masculine in
coffee and then gave that to inmates and then when
you know, the drugs started to work, they would then

(20:49):
the as officer would then say things like, I know
that you are having very strange thoughts right now because
that can actually be into your mind right now, and
I think it's better if you reveal everything you know.
So they were trying to develop brainwashing techniques like that.
The problem with masculine was that it's bitter, so it's
not so easy to give it to someone without that

(21:11):
person knowing. And in forty three LSD was discovered in Switzerland,
which is quite close to Germany. And what I found
in the archives of the pharmaceutical company that discovered LSD,
which is Sundos, a Swiss company, they'll see always best
friends with the leading Nazi biochemists. They had been friends

(21:33):
since the twenties. They had been exchanging all their research
because they had had the same teacher, which was Rishad
villaged At, a Jewish German biochemist who won the Nobel Prize.
And he had these two students that were outstanding. One
was Stolen, who became pharmaceutical CEO in Switzerland and the
other one became Hitler's favorite biochemist. You know, that changed

(21:55):
in the twenties and early thirties was harmless. I mean,
it was just exchange between scientists. But in forty three
they have found this mysterious substance that they call LSD
lazurgic acid the ethylamide, which is working very intensely on
the mind. But they don't really know what it is
because the company didn't know in the beginning what LSD
was good for.

Speaker 2 (22:16):
What does any truth summery serum exist? And did LSD
work as a truth serum at all?

Speaker 11 (22:21):
The Nazis weren't sure because they had just started the test. Then,
you know, they lost the war and these initial reports,
but that the s S did with an evaluated by
the Americans by a Harvard professor who was the advisor
to the American military. Beacher was his name, Professor Beecher.

(22:42):
He wrote that LSD could very well become such a
truth drug if applied properly, you know, unwillingly, and with
the proper questionings and interrogation techniques. He wrote reports on
ego depressant drugs because that is what LD actually does.
It depresses the ego, which means the place in the

(23:04):
brain that kind of creates our reality and kind of
lets us function in day to day life receives less
energy when a person is on LSD, and other parts
of the brain actually become more active. Your brain opens
up to other possibilities, and if someone would be very skilled,
like a policeman or an intelligence officer, he or she

(23:25):
could try to, you know, use that situation to his
or her advantage. But you know, LSD is it's not
really a fool proof truth serum at all because usually
people can't really be interrogated anymore, like they've got to
develop their own thoughts, they realize what situation they are in.
So it never really worked. It was promising for the

(23:46):
intelligence services, first the Nazis and then the American but
it's never really worked as a truth serum because it's
actually quite the opposite.

Speaker 6 (23:56):
Then Jerry Show podcast.

Speaker 2 (24:02):
Topical Chain.

Speaker 1 (24:05):
Yeah, so yesterday on the Daily Bespoke podcast, we talked
to Norman Ola, clime novelist and screenwriting's based on for
his book Bletzed, which is about drugs and Nazi Germany,
and he's recently followed that up with Tripped Nazi Germany,
the CIA and the Dawn of the Psychedelic Age. And
we asked Norman if the Nazis defeated themselves with their

(24:27):
massive fondness of the glass barbecue.

Speaker 11 (24:30):
I mean, certainly the Nazis defeated themselves because it's a
self destructive regime that attacked the whole world. It's kind
of ridiculous, one country attacking every other country on the planet. Yeah,
I mean that country has to lose basically. But I
would say that the Allied forces were fighting white bravely,
and they were quite determined, and they had to be

(24:53):
determined because the problem with the Nazis was they were
so determined, like they were really going at it. So,
especially the it Is Resistance and the other countries that
fought together with Britain and the United States, just like
New Zealand for example, or Australia, they did a great job.
I mean they liberated also US in Germany from this

(25:14):
disease called national socialism, the meta phetamine. It really had
decisive effects early on in the war. It enabled the
Nazis to beat Poland and France very quickly. They would
never have been able to do that without methamphetamine. So
these early successes also led Hitler into believing that he's

(25:36):
basically unbeatable. It also led into the attack against the
Soviet Union. And if I just praised the Western Allies,
we certainly have to praise the Red Army for really,
you know, fighting the German Army on the horrific Eastern Front.
So I mean, just to attack the Soviet Union. It's

(25:57):
not rational, you know, it can only come out of
a drugged mind or like a paranoid mind, or you know,
it doesn't make sense. You know, the Germany was still
fighting in the West, hadn't beat a Great Britain yet,
and then attacking the Soviet Union. Many many mistakes were
done on the German side. Obviously, the whole thing was

(26:19):
horrible and could never have succeeded. And I think the
methamphetamine was just a small aspect of the German defeat.
The big aspect of the German defeat is, you know,
the hybrids of fascism and of national socialism.

Speaker 1 (26:36):
In new book is called Tripped Nazi Germany, the CIA
and the Dawn of the Psychedelic Age. Norman, it's been
a great pleasure talking to you today. Thank you so
much for your time and best of luck with everything.

Speaker 11 (26:48):
I want to come to New Zealand. I hope it's
going to work out next year for the I think
that's like a book thing in.

Speaker 5 (26:54):
Auchest Writer's Festival.

Speaker 2 (26:57):
Oh, you've got to come. You wouldn't believe how popular
your booker is down here.

Speaker 1 (27:01):
If you come down, look us up. We're quite easy
to find as a very very small country.

Speaker 5 (27:06):
But look us up and.

Speaker 11 (27:09):
Be great to meet in your studio.

Speaker 1 (27:11):
Yeah, we'll take you out somewhere somewhere cool.

Speaker 12 (27:14):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (27:15):
But you're heading over to Germany pretty soon.

Speaker 2 (27:16):
Why don't you take him out some of the call
over there, Jerry, you're going to Oktoberfist, don't you wor
beer Fest or some are you going to?

Speaker 1 (27:22):
Is that for South Bar Stadium? Is it a Munich No?

Speaker 5 (27:24):
No, that's Munich, Yeah, Munich beer Fest.

Speaker 1 (27:27):
Thanks Ultra you going to one one of them?

Speaker 5 (27:32):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (27:32):
I think he was in Berlin. Isn't he long way
from Munich? Yeah, but you just get on the on
the fast train.

Speaker 5 (27:39):
I think it's just down the road.

Speaker 2 (27:40):
Yeah, oh man, it doesn't take long to get between cities.

Speaker 5 (27:42):
There.

Speaker 2 (27:42):
You get on the auto barn, you drive it three
hundred kilometers. Now you'll be on the ways with Norman
oiler before you know.

Speaker 5 (27:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (27:48):
I think I think the idea is that Norman shows
me around Jim and there. I'll show him around New Zealand.
I think there's the best way to go, rather than
me turn up over there and show him around his
own country and Norman, I think we should go here.

Speaker 5 (27:57):
Now, we should go here.

Speaker 8 (28:00):
Jeremy Wells The mad In Cherry Show at.

Speaker 2 (28:04):
Seven thirty one time before your radio hodacting news headlines
with Jeremy Els.

Speaker 1 (28:08):
Two workers are in hospital after being electrocuted at Auckland's
Parnel train station earlier this morning. Both are in serious
condition and hospital one person of significant burns to their body.
There are major delays on all Auckland trains.

Speaker 2 (28:21):
Oh my god, that sounds horrific.

Speaker 1 (28:24):
Christ Church should pursue more low scale sporting events instead
of the Commonwealth Games. That's what a feasibility report recommends
requested by Mayor Film Major ahead of making of a
bid for the twenty twenty the twenty thirty event, it
would cost at least one point three billion dollars to
hot and the rest. We've already done it as well.

Speaker 2 (28:44):
We always had that where we had had that really
really successful Commonwealth Games and nineteen seventy five was it
nineteen seventy four, ninety seventy four, of course, because then
we had ninety nine, So we did seventy four and
then we did ninety to ninety ninety one, ninety Yeah,
the ninety nine, that's the this is the moment.

Speaker 1 (29:01):
Yep, we are together had one point three billion. Do
you think it would cost one point three billion? It
would cost a lot more than that.

Speaker 2 (29:09):
And also do you really think the Commonwealth Games are
still going to be a thing in twenty thirty. They
can't hardly find someone to do it for the next
Conworth Games. You've already had someone pulling out because they
said it was going to cost How much did they
say it was going to cost in Australia it was
going to be Yeah, it was. It was in the billion.
It was three point eight billion or something.

Speaker 5 (29:26):
That's why. I don't know where they've got this one
point three billion dollars.

Speaker 2 (29:29):
From people make up these numbers in a number that
they think people will be able to stomach, knowing full
well that it'll just absolutely blow out. I'm looking at you,
Sittle City rail link.

Speaker 1 (29:39):
And A lightning strike during Team New Zealand's race against
Lunarosso brought an early end proceedings.

Speaker 5 (29:45):
On day five of the Louis.

Speaker 1 (29:46):
Vuitton Challenger Series, the Keywis suffered their first loss of
the round robins. They were disqualified for going more than
one hundred meters outside of the boundary during the final leg,
making the quick decision to exit the race after a
lightning bulb struck on the course just ahead of where
Luna Rossa was sailing. Well, the keys are just.

Speaker 2 (30:03):
Doing it for fun anyway, because you know, there's no
point in getting blasted with lightning when you where you
get to challenge it the anyway they challenge you anyway.
You're just pisting around for a bit of a laugh,
aren't you.

Speaker 12 (30:14):
He is.

Speaker 1 (30:14):
I just got struck by lightning on Saturday morning. I
had an umbrella up. I felt it go through the
metal part of my umbrella that I was holding on to.
Really I felt it. I felt the charge. Yeah, ah,
you're the charge.

Speaker 5 (30:26):
Yeah. We didn't then zat me, but I felt it
must have been that close to me.

Speaker 1 (30:30):
Did you retract the umbrella or did you just did
you decide to just keep not being rained on? I thought,
surely lightning's not going to strike me. Yeah, there's other
people with umbrellas that were standing up beside me.

Speaker 2 (30:43):
I'll tell you what won't won't strike here thunder. Thunder
does not strike. They've got this wrong here at ACDC.
It's lightning that strikes.

Speaker 12 (30:50):
Now.

Speaker 5 (30:50):
They need to go and have a chat to Dan
Corbett TV one with the men.

Speaker 1 (30:53):
They've got their sums wrong here ac DC.

Speaker 6 (30:55):
Then Matt and Jerry Show podcast.

Speaker 1 (30:57):
It's for the seven thirty five AM Cell Help and
Health segment. We've got some bad news for you. This
is going to shock people. Alcohol is not great for you. No,
it turns out alcohol is bad for you, not just
because it's gonna do some damage to your liver, but
also man, she and I've noticed this in you.

Speaker 5 (31:13):
It shrinks your brain.

Speaker 13 (31:15):
Oh come on, man, you haven't noticed that in me?
What makes you think that I've got to sort my
brain that I used to have.

Speaker 1 (31:20):
Well, what's making you dumber? If it's not the alcohol?

Speaker 13 (31:22):
Okay, you foundas we'll just read this study.

Speaker 1 (31:26):
So if you drink seven units per week, then your
brain will start to shrink. Okay, so that's seven standardrinks
and you think that's quite a lot, but no it's not.
Actually it's three one hundred and seventy five milk glasses
of wine, three pints of four percent beer, or seven
single shots of spirits. How much will this rink? A
little bit or a lot?

Speaker 5 (31:47):
Good question, good question? Not that much?

Speaker 1 (31:50):
So that this is in their hippocampus. You know about
the parts of the brain hippocampis. Yep, that's the part
of the brain that's important for memory. So it's one
of the earliest regions affected by Alzheimer's. So that's if
that's the part of the brain that seems to be
affected by the booze.

Speaker 2 (32:05):
Ah.

Speaker 5 (32:05):
Yeah, which is not really what you want now you
want to be able to remember things.

Speaker 1 (32:08):
No, So some scientists now believe that alcohol kills our
brain cells, foreseeing the organ to become smaller and damaging
how it functions. Wow, and can you grow up back?
If you have charriacters, I think Timrek has whatt you want.

Speaker 5 (32:26):
Something like that?

Speaker 1 (32:28):
Magic mushrooms grow it back. It found that people who
had more than seven yeares a week had a faster
decline and memory. This person said they act didn't amish
many ways as they could within a minute, beginning with
a specific letter. It's quite an odd dash that engages
the front part your brain.

Speaker 5 (32:44):
For problems solving.

Speaker 1 (32:45):
Those who had more alcohol got worse faster. Al Right, okay,
pop quiz, hot shot?

Speaker 13 (32:51):
How many drink should I be consuming each week?

Speaker 5 (32:53):
Then? I mean, what how you say you're twenty five?

Speaker 13 (32:56):
Yeah, twenty five?

Speaker 1 (32:57):
Twenty five five a week? If you're twenty five, you
have twenty five a week?

Speaker 5 (33:02):
Is that it?

Speaker 9 (33:03):
So?

Speaker 13 (33:03):
You boys are just mentioned about fifty beriverages a week.
I don't know if it's a great idea.

Speaker 1 (33:07):
Yeah, no, that doesn't sound great.

Speaker 5 (33:09):
No, No, that's the right.

Speaker 1 (33:10):
I mean, we are but.

Speaker 7 (33:14):
Five No, hang on, I wasn't asking you to just
come up with a random number on your opinion. I
was asking you to say, is there a number on
the study.

Speaker 2 (33:22):
That Yeah, he wasn't asking for your wrickens on how
I just thought you were asking me No, what I
should be doing is not as drinking as much as you.

Speaker 13 (33:29):
That's very clear for this foremost Okay, you two both
always passed. But sign of how much? How many drinks
should I be having?

Speaker 5 (33:35):
Three or four a vibe?

Speaker 1 (33:36):
It's about three or four a week a safe amount.

Speaker 13 (33:41):
Again, you seem to be making this up.

Speaker 5 (33:43):
None, none, none. Have you made that up?

Speaker 13 (33:45):
Or are you just reading this study?

Speaker 5 (33:46):
None is a safe amount?

Speaker 13 (33:47):
Okay, well there's one safe amount.

Speaker 1 (33:50):
No none, so none? I can you should be having none?

Speaker 3 (33:53):
Right?

Speaker 1 (33:53):
None of drinks?

Speaker 2 (33:54):
None?

Speaker 13 (33:54):
Now are you looking in none for me as well?
This is pretty boring moving forward.

Speaker 2 (33:58):
I'm just gonna see how good my brainers aren't naming words.
Just beginning with a letter, I'm going to pick m machine,
mad Magazine, Magic Male, Main, Maine Mountain Major majority.

Speaker 1 (34:12):
Okay, you're reading of AC I was reading this, so
you're reading it. That's one of the tests by reading
of a screen. Then you've been drinking too much alcoal.

Speaker 2 (34:21):
Also, I failed to read them off a screen as well.
What does it mean?

Speaker 5 (34:25):
Okay, this is another rubbish study.

Speaker 2 (34:27):
All right, yeah, all right, scre you screw that up
and throw it out. Where was it?

Speaker 6 (34:30):
See you laid up the Mat and Jerry Show podcast.

Speaker 1 (34:33):
So English has often talked about as a very strange language.
It's a very hard language to learn. There are lots
of weird rules that have that don't make any sense.

Speaker 2 (34:45):
Well, a lot of that is because it was you know,
England is just off the coast of Europe and was
just invaded over and over and over again and taken
over by people. And the people will turn up and say,
you can't speak that language. He's he's a language speaking now,
And here's another one, and here's another one, and then
Viking are turning up and I have a period of
time that really turns it into a mongrel of an

(35:05):
old language.

Speaker 1 (35:06):
And it certainly does. And I mean that's there's very
few languages around the world where even the people who
speak the language can't speak it and can't spell it.
And interestingly, English is one of the few languages in
the world where you can have spelling bees because everything
else can be sounded out exactly the same every single time.

Speaker 2 (35:21):
Yeah, you can't have a spelling bee and to do
on Maori, can you? Because the vowels work for the
for how you say it.

Speaker 1 (35:28):
Exactly so ruder our executive producer has done some great
research here and he's gone back and he has actually
found some recordings of people through the ages speaking English,
and you can hear how it develops into how we
speak now, well, the New Zealand accent, that's a whole
other thing, yeah, but into the English accent which we
hear today.

Speaker 2 (35:47):
And Mash has put on some tights and he's prancing
around playing a loot while we do it.

Speaker 5 (35:53):
Great loop playing man.

Speaker 1 (35:55):
Okay, so he is and two hundred BC to two
undred AD, so around about just before tw hundred years
before Jesus and turnity years after Jesus time. This is
what English would have sound like when it came from
its West.

Speaker 5 (36:08):
Germanic roots Indes Midle with and okay, so there we go.
That's that's that's a long time. That's that's two thousand
years ago.

Speaker 2 (36:20):
What was he saying?

Speaker 5 (36:20):
Who knows? Now, here's the.

Speaker 1 (36:22):
Here's when it was Anglo Friesian. This is two hundred,
four hundred years AD.

Speaker 14 (36:27):
Incaspis Midler with.

Speaker 1 (36:32):
Clea there was it So doesn't sound like English at
this stage. That sounds more Arabic. I think that sounds
a little bit like Scandinavian or something. Anyway, Now here's
Old English. This is where it starts to get a
little bit more like the English that we speak. So
this is from four hundred to eleven seventy. So if
you're around from four hundred to eleven seventy, you're in England.

Speaker 14 (36:52):
This is what you're hear Incasperoda's medley with weaven and.

Speaker 5 (37:00):
The sounding more like English.

Speaker 1 (37:03):
Now though, isn't it not getting much of that?

Speaker 4 (37:05):
No?

Speaker 5 (37:05):
Okay, here we go. This is this is Middle English.

Speaker 1 (37:08):
You'll understand some words in here, but it still sounds
completely different.

Speaker 14 (37:12):
In the middle of the pabler accing to wolven drapes
upon the wall, there was a seed under a canope,
and there satellite, so.

Speaker 1 (37:20):
There's seven cannopes at the there's the function, and there's
sat alerta you. So it sounds a little bit like
Irish and Welsh there so it sounds a little Gaelic.
That's from eleven fifty to fifteen forty. And and here
we go late Middle English. If you can pick up
some words here in.

Speaker 14 (37:36):
The middle of the team, it comes to wolven cloths
upon the wall, there was a chair under a canopey
and there're satelada you fair to look upon?

Speaker 2 (37:43):
Was this all the same sentence? Yes, So there said
a lady, there's a cloth on the wall. There's set
a lady under a canopy.

Speaker 5 (37:49):
So you're getting it now.

Speaker 1 (37:50):
Yeah, And here's early modern English. This is sixteen fifty
to eighteen hundred.

Speaker 3 (37:54):
Hell apart in day the low inhered wayne slowly or
thely a ploment home word plods his weedy way and
leaves the world to darkness.

Speaker 2 (38:05):
Oh yeah, you're getting some stuff there. So is that
around that one is around Shakespeare?

Speaker 12 (38:09):
Is it?

Speaker 1 (38:10):
That is around Shakespeare? Sixteen fifty two eight hundred, and
he's modern English. Here is eighteen hundred to the present day.

Speaker 14 (38:15):
In the middle of the table, against the woven cloths
upon the wall, there was a chair under canopy. And
that's had a lady fair to look upon. And so
like Christian form of woman, the king.

Speaker 2 (38:25):
Oh a lady that was fear to look upon? Okay,
And he's like the sound of there's bill. English were
about to hit out for a what I call a
walk run. I'll walk up the hills and run the downhillberts.

Speaker 5 (38:37):
Here we've got to this pot.

Speaker 15 (38:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (38:39):
Well, actually people have got to spoken.

Speaker 1 (38:41):
What this. Wow, what an evolution that is as a language.

Speaker 5 (38:44):
Yeah, we'll come back around the other side of it.

Speaker 2 (38:47):
How interesting. Thanks for that, Jeremy.

Speaker 6 (38:49):
The Mart and Jerry Show podcast, The Mart and Cherry
Show Podcast.

Speaker 1 (38:56):
It's Mad and Jerry, it's mask Jerry, it's not.

Speaker 14 (39:03):
Jimmy much.

Speaker 1 (39:06):
Yes, And it's Wednesday, the fourth of September twenty twenty four,
and it's nice to be with us this morning. That's
a good idea playing NBC games at high schools, isn't it?

Speaker 2 (39:13):
Get good crowds there and excite a young generation to
get involved in the game.

Speaker 1 (39:18):
I recently went along to the Auckland Final between Kelston
Boys and Saint Kent's College at Eden Park. At Eden Park,
the crowd, huge crowd, passionate crowd, bloody good rugby too.
You got to say that first fifteen rugby because they're
really good and they play with quite a good structure.
But then every now and then, because they're seventeen, sixteen,

(39:39):
seventeen and eighteen year olds, they have a complete mind
explosure because you can't concentrate for eighty minutes.

Speaker 5 (39:45):
There's no way.

Speaker 1 (39:45):
I mean, it's hard enough for the All Blacks to
concentrate for eighty minutes, but you can't at that age.
So all of a sudden someone does something completely insane
and the game just changes.

Speaker 5 (39:55):
But they're always so close.

Speaker 1 (39:56):
I mean, this game was a really, really good game. Well,
there's an ugment.

Speaker 2 (39:59):
One of the problems with rugby unit moment as everyone's
too big and fast and good, and it means that
the field is too small for really exciting stuff to happen.

Speaker 1 (40:09):
That's one of the arguments.

Speaker 2 (40:10):
Yeah, so you know, that's why I was saying before,
get rid of two of the players and make the
field wider.

Speaker 5 (40:16):
That's what happens now.

Speaker 1 (40:17):
I'll be saying it for the longest time. And I
chatted some players out of the weekend and they're saying
exactly the same thing. Bring back rucking. We got concussed
from rucking. Yeah that's true. It's true. I mean, and
you didn't want to be rucked, so you didn't want
to infringe.

Speaker 6 (40:33):
Then Mat and Jerry Show podcast, So.

Speaker 5 (40:35):
New Zealand's going to hell in a handbasket clearly.

Speaker 1 (40:37):
So yesterday that some people have taken to social media
to share their thoughts about and you came out, came
out massage it's built as the perfect tool for relaxing
after a long day.

Speaker 2 (40:48):
So it's long, yes, in curve, yes, well a little
bit at the end it vibrates.

Speaker 1 (40:55):
It's a little bit like if you got a toothbrush.
You got to reach toothbrush. Yeah, and then you sort
of got the toothbrush head part and you bended a
little bit more.

Speaker 5 (41:03):
But it's in.

Speaker 1 (41:03):
It's black, and it's a bit smoother, and then it's
got a little knobby bit on the end.

Speaker 2 (41:09):
It's listed in came Out Sports section. Features a small
gray bald head and not a bald head, like a
bald head like the shape of a ball. Yeah, not
like christ refluxe. No, you're not putting christ Reh Luxe
in anyway, I won't say that, and a long black
handle and is described on their website as something to

(41:29):
massage your shelter's neck and back, kill your kidd and
came out it's called the Luxe in two thousand. Is
that it your message your shelter's neck and back? Is
that the only place is your massage with them? I
feel like they're missing a place that some people might
massage with that. It's available for just ten dollars it
seems reasonable, but you are want to follow usage instructions carefully.

Speaker 1 (41:50):
But recently there was there was the adult products that
were it's the chemist warehouse?

Speaker 2 (41:55):
How's that? And people were absolutely outraged. Yeah, there was
that woman whose daughter saw a a a marital aid.
So the vibration massage of this is called ten bucks.
As you say, it's just landed at kmart. There's been
no reviews so far.

Speaker 5 (42:13):
Hey, just respect to the marital aid. So do you
have to be married to use those? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (42:17):
Do you?

Speaker 5 (42:18):
Of course?

Speaker 2 (42:19):
Okay, well mate, you have to be married to be
getting amongst any of that stuff, don't you? Or if
we just moved on from that in marriages and people
are just going hammer and tongs before they're married, so
you hope not.

Speaker 1 (42:31):
Some of the comments have been interesting. Damn came out
that's gonna sell?

Speaker 5 (42:34):
Well?

Speaker 2 (42:36):
What I would it be? Asking for a friend? This
is another person that likes posting ryosides A sweet Jesus?

Speaker 5 (42:43):
Is this person? I had to check what group I Wasn't.

Speaker 2 (42:45):
Anyone know if it's waterproof?

Speaker 1 (42:47):
Asking there's a lot of asking for a friend, isn't there?
Where do you use it?

Speaker 5 (42:52):
Asking for a friend?

Speaker 2 (42:53):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (42:55):
What doesn't message because I've got a couple of ideas.

Speaker 5 (42:59):
So you mesh, how does it work well for you?
Tim Bucks?

Speaker 2 (43:04):
Tim Bucks? Yeah, I don't think you've got the bits
for it. No, I don't think you've got all the bits.

Speaker 7 (43:09):
They haven't bought one. Oh okay, No, no, there was
some confusion around that. I just sent that that article
into the WhatsApp last night. I mean, come on, though, like, really,
back in knick and shoulders, are you sure about that?

Speaker 2 (43:21):
I don't think it would do much to the back
nick and shoulders. That bald head seems to be. Yeah,
it seems like it's got another function.

Speaker 1 (43:29):
Tell you what.

Speaker 2 (43:30):
I like the spider, the wire spider that you put
on your head and go up and down.

Speaker 5 (43:34):
Oh yeah, you know, yeah, I like that. The orgasmatron.

Speaker 1 (43:38):
It's not got an matron.

Speaker 2 (43:40):
It's called a it's got a wire spider you go
up and down. I think it's called a head message.

Speaker 1 (43:44):
Hey. I had a friend who's kid found their message
and was messaging their face with it and saying, oh,
these are quite good, aren't they just feel quite good?
And they walked into the bedroom and they said, yep, no,
they're really good for face.

Speaker 5 (43:58):
Massaging absolutely great.

Speaker 13 (44:00):
Are you guys running in here.

Speaker 11 (44:03):
One day?

Speaker 5 (44:04):
One day he or she is going to go, oh whoa?

Speaker 13 (44:09):
I mean, do you have any of these at home
that you've got to worry about being found?

Speaker 5 (44:11):
Jerry or not?

Speaker 9 (44:12):
No?

Speaker 5 (44:13):
No, not for lux and I don't have a luck
in two thousand nonsense, not for the.

Speaker 6 (44:23):
Mass and Jerry Show podcast.

Speaker 1 (44:25):
So this November at four Soyth Bar Stadium, the Dunedin
Craft Beer and Food Festival is on again Friday the
eighth and Saturday the ninth of November.

Speaker 5 (44:35):
It's a great time.

Speaker 2 (44:36):
We're coming down.

Speaker 1 (44:37):
Oh, we certainly are coming coming down and we're going
to be brewing. Let's get bizz bear with Emerson's again,
but this time we're like we did last time. She
we need your help deciding what style it should be
and joining us now from Dannet and the Airport. Emerson
Sales and marketing manager Greg Mendsay's morning, Greg, how are you?

Speaker 15 (44:56):
Good morning? I'm very good, Thank you very much.

Speaker 1 (44:58):
Yeah, well, so last year we made the let's get
busy hoppy lager, didn't we This year we're going to
make something different?

Speaker 5 (45:04):
Is that the plan?

Speaker 1 (45:05):
Yeah?

Speaker 15 (45:06):
I think we will. Let's mix it up. I think
the name is really cool, so I think the style
should be what we what we change up this year?

Speaker 2 (45:12):
Yeah, we shifted a lot of units of the Let's
get busy. I was pouring a lot Boy. We shifted
a lot of units of that last year. But I
think I think people aren't going to Nickel and dimos
if if it tastes different.

Speaker 15 (45:24):
No, I don't think so. I think we'll make it.

Speaker 12 (45:26):
It'll be better. I reckon we'll be way better.

Speaker 2 (45:29):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (45:29):
What what?

Speaker 12 (45:30):
What?

Speaker 9 (45:30):
What?

Speaker 1 (45:30):
What are your thoughts on what kind of beer we
could brew?

Speaker 2 (45:32):
This time?

Speaker 1 (45:33):
It was a hoppy lagger.

Speaker 15 (45:34):
Last time it was a hoppy lago. Last time. I
thought we could kind of decide between like a pills
and a style beer which is as a as a
lager style but kind of more hot forward, using a
different yease than we did in the in the hoppy
lager that we did last year. We could try a porter,
which is a dark beer.

Speaker 12 (45:56):
Will take enough?

Speaker 2 (45:57):
Will we shift enough units of a porter? I don't know.

Speaker 15 (46:01):
People decide on the style, then we'll move it.

Speaker 12 (46:04):
Yeah, we'll move it.

Speaker 5 (46:05):
We'll move it.

Speaker 1 (46:05):
Whatever they decide one, we'll shift it. Yeah, this time around, Greg,
would it be good to I think we found out
last time that possibly when Matt was down actually brewing
that lugger, he maybe had COVID, So.

Speaker 2 (46:19):
Followed mission. I found out that I had COVID the
next day. But I don't think any of that got
into the beer.

Speaker 15 (46:24):
No, I don't think.

Speaker 1 (46:25):
So you cook it pretty it gets pretty hot in
the air, it does, yeah, out of way in terms
of Emerson, So I mean, what's the most part.

Speaker 5 (46:36):
What's the most popular style at the moment.

Speaker 15 (46:38):
The most popular style is still kind of like a
hazy style beer. So the third style that we could
choose from as a as a hazy Yeah, so that's yeah,
it's pretty popular.

Speaker 2 (46:53):
That rolls off the tongue. But let's get hazy.

Speaker 15 (46:57):
It does sound very good.

Speaker 10 (46:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (47:00):
Hey, I've got an apology to make to you. Well, okay,
do you remember Greg when we were down for the
when the All Blacks were playing England at for South
Bar and after the game went to come along to
the Emson's Bar. What a great establishment that is down
there in Dunedin, And there was a big queue and
I rang you and said, can you get me in
advance so I don't have to wait and wait to
get in, and you said, I'm at home in bed,

(47:22):
please leave me alone. So I just want to I
just want to apologize for trying to jump the queue
with you there.

Speaker 15 (47:28):
That's right. I wasn't I wasn't quite in bed. I
was at home, and I did make a phone call
to the brewery to try and get you in. But
I think when they see my number at that time
of night, they know that I'm trying to get someone
into the brewer, so they ignore me.

Speaker 2 (47:42):
I was with ex All Black Captain Karen Reid, and
he's such a good guy unlike me that he said, no, Matt,
we wait, we wait again. We want to name.

Speaker 1 (47:50):
Yeah, yeah, dropped his name. I said, I'm with I'm
I'm with Karen, buddy Reid.

Speaker 2 (47:55):
Can you let us send it?

Speaker 3 (47:56):
Was? It was?

Speaker 12 (47:56):
It was?

Speaker 2 (47:57):
It was pretty cold out there. I believe it was
raining back. Good on you for not for not allowing
me to try and sort of get an inside there.

Speaker 15 (48:04):
I could have come down to my pajamas and yeah,
it's not a.

Speaker 1 (48:07):
Very deneeding way to behave as it. Hey, Greek Men'si's
Emerson sales and marketing manager. Thanks for your time this morning.
We'll get back to you and and confer on where
we're going with this. So let's get bizzbre soon.

Speaker 15 (48:21):
Looking forward to seeing you guys in November.

Speaker 5 (48:22):
All right, thanks Greer, good to talk to you.

Speaker 1 (48:24):
So last year was a hobby lager.

Speaker 5 (48:26):
What should it be this year?

Speaker 1 (48:28):
Tell us what you think?

Speaker 5 (48:30):
Head to Hicky dot codot MZI. You could end up
at the.

Speaker 1 (48:32):
Duned and Craft Beer and Food Festival thanks.

Speaker 6 (48:34):
To Emersons The Mats and Jerry Show podcast coming.

Speaker 1 (48:38):
Up after the eight thirty news headlines, todd Esleigh joins
us former new Zione cricket to todd esliyh. That's not
how you pronounce his name, you Well, we'll be asking
me how do you pronounce your surname?

Speaker 5 (48:50):
Is it Eslayh?

Speaker 13 (48:52):
Well, I'm going to save you the trouble.

Speaker 5 (48:53):
It's Estel.

Speaker 13 (48:54):
You don't have to ask him that. You can just
ask anyone else.

Speaker 2 (48:57):
Jerry Essentially when he was on what was that?

Speaker 5 (48:59):
What was there?

Speaker 2 (49:00):
See nickname for him?

Speaker 5 (49:03):
Eric Trump?

Speaker 1 (49:03):
Yeah, he used to wear the glasses.

Speaker 2 (49:06):
He's a great man and I'm hosting his Better Man
events down in chriss Chitch.

Speaker 11 (49:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (49:14):
So that's a charity that aims to improve men's well
being and mental health.

Speaker 12 (49:18):
Is that right?

Speaker 5 (49:19):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (49:19):
Great New Zealand? Is it better?

Speaker 2 (49:20):
Man? So next Friday, I believe I'm going to be
in cross Church chasting that along with Eric Trump.

Speaker 1 (49:28):
And also and also who's the worst type of airline passenger?
A former flight attendant has revealed who it is?

Speaker 5 (49:36):
Oh, and is it me Mash or Matt?

Speaker 1 (49:39):
Surely it's that person.

Speaker 2 (49:40):
That we did a story along about not so long
ago that had that explosion as that were walking down
the aisle.

Speaker 5 (49:47):
That's going to be to turn that plane around. They
did that.

Speaker 2 (49:50):
It was a disaster.

Speaker 1 (49:51):
Matt and Jerry show Ready, how do.

Speaker 2 (49:52):
You it's mat jer.

Speaker 1 (50:02):
It's not Jeruf, Matty, Jaimy Well.

Speaker 8 (50:08):
Matty, Jeremy Wells the Maiden Cherry Show.

Speaker 1 (50:13):
It's eight thirty one.

Speaker 2 (50:15):
Time for your radiohodaking news headlines with Jeremy Wells.

Speaker 1 (50:19):
There are significant delays on all Auckland train lines this
morning after two workers were electrocuted at Parnal train station.
Both workers are in hospital, with one with significant burns
to their body. Of terrorism experts says New Zealanders need
to be more aware of the threat of terrorism. The
New Zealand Security Intelligence Service has found that a person

(50:40):
acting alone is our biggest terrorist risk.

Speaker 2 (50:42):
Oh okay, well there's someone out there vaping by themselves
do we need to be worried about? Then they seem
to be eating a line out in the alleyway just
outside there. Shall we call it in?

Speaker 1 (50:52):
And Brenda McCallum will become England's new white ball men's
cricket coach from January, in addition to his current red
ball d BES. McCallum has agreed to a deal up
till the next fifty over World Cup in South Africa
in twenty twenty seven. He'll guide the Test squad through
to England's next home ashes campaign also that year.

Speaker 2 (51:11):
Think you'd be making a good coin from that, A
good South and Eden boy. I always thinking about Brenda mccum.
He's such a great guy. Everyone loves some fantastic person,
real team leader, but also like a dart smoking horse
race enthusiast. You know, you can take the boy out

(51:31):
of South and Edium. You can't take the South indianaut
of the boy. But just operating the most upper echelons
of British cricket, which is at the top end of
British cricket, is so snooty and so you know top
and tails and gin and tonic and wax mustache.

Speaker 9 (51:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (51:53):
Oh the MCC Yeah, the mc C, the MCC with
those ridiculous blazers.

Speaker 2 (51:58):
It's Stephen Friestill, the head of the MCCUs. He yeah,
I think he was for a while. Oh okay anyway,
and then just random come and you just get like
someone growing up in South and Edins to just be
the top of English crickets. Phenomenal, isn't it.

Speaker 5 (52:11):
Yeah? Yeah.

Speaker 1 (52:12):
And also they are a hard crowd to win over.

Speaker 5 (52:15):
Yeah, out lot. Yeah, but they are a hard crowd.
They've been around for a long time. They got their
own traditions. But they love him because the type of cricket.

Speaker 1 (52:22):
That he's brought to England, particularly around Test cricket.

Speaker 5 (52:24):
It's very exciting.

Speaker 2 (52:26):
Bears ball Mark Nicholas as the current president of the MCC,
the former Hampshire captain who has succeeded Stephen Frye on
the first of October twenty twenty three.

Speaker 1 (52:36):
The funniest thing is those guys that sit there at
Lord's and then they have lunch up up in the
members area and then they just go down and sleep
all afternoon. Yeah, in a stripe jacket or the weird tie.

Speaker 5 (52:46):
Yeah, I love it and big muffs.

Speaker 6 (52:49):
Then that and Jerry Show podcast.

Speaker 1 (52:51):
So he's played for the Black Captain Tests One Day
Internationals T twenties as well. He's also got the most
first class wickets for Canterbury three hundred and three wook
workers for Canterbury from twenty and five to twenty nineteen.
And now he's the co founder of a Better Man,
a charity that aims to improve men's well being and
mental health and help them become better versions of themselves. Please,

(53:15):
welcome to the Mat and Jerry Show. Todd asked or
Morning Todd.

Speaker 12 (53:18):
How are you morning, gentlemen? Very well, thank you, thanks
for having me on.

Speaker 1 (53:21):
So I see that you've got an event coming up
called Quiz and some other Shiz Friday, September thirteenth, and
Matt is the guest speaker slash quiz Master.

Speaker 5 (53:31):
That's right.

Speaker 9 (53:32):
He's kindly agreed to come down and help us out,
which is amazing to have someone.

Speaker 12 (53:35):
Of his caliber. How many people His good friend came
last year. So yeah, it's awesome to have me.

Speaker 2 (53:42):
He's Scotti Stevenson's good Oh boy, Well, I see that.

Speaker 1 (53:46):
You know the better man. I'll tell us about better Man.

Speaker 2 (53:49):
What is better man? Todd?

Speaker 9 (53:51):
Yeah, we'll After playing sport for so long and co
founding it with another form of ffessional rugby player Ji
Robinson and my brother, we all just wanted to bring
those best parts to team sport. It's around that sort
of culture and connection and so bringing people together to
be able to have fun, but also to layer in
those aspects of well being and mental health, which guys
traditionally don't do that well, and we're people that just
love being able to do that and having done that

(54:13):
over the last year, it's been amazing that the growth
and how much enjoyment we've got from it.

Speaker 1 (54:17):
And what are the core principles of better Man, Well, Jerry,
you'd love it.

Speaker 9 (54:22):
It's b YC, so not backyard cricket, but betterment yarns, competition.
It's always about that sort of growth and improvement. It's
then being open and having conversations and creating those environments
and then competition.

Speaker 12 (54:35):
So we've come from a place.

Speaker 9 (54:36):
Of competing, so we just always try to add those
layers and just to kind of create that fun which
is what people you know, they relate to and it
brings people into those events.

Speaker 2 (54:45):
So betterment, Yep, I'm getting better yarns. I've got great yarns.
Competition not so great. They never want anything my life.
So I guess some of us can be two out
of three.

Speaker 12 (54:57):
Curtis three ain't bad, mate, we'll gladly have you. We're
coming down where we're really looking forward to it.

Speaker 1 (55:02):
Okay, So what's happening at quiz and some other shizz?

Speaker 12 (55:07):
Yeah, well, so it's a bit of a twist on
a traditional quiz night.

Speaker 9 (55:09):
We're fortunate that Jed's brother owned a quiz company, so
we can hater the quiz and make it fun and enjoyable.

Speaker 12 (55:16):
And then we also have Matt sort of.

Speaker 9 (55:18):
Sharing a bit more of a deeper meaningful and giving
people permission to kind of share their stories as well,
which is what's gott He did last year and really
kicked off things for us, and he's now our patron
on our board, which is amazing. And so yeah, Matt's
got big shoes to fill, but I'm sure he can
certainly do that.

Speaker 1 (55:33):
Oh no, I can't, but look I'll give it. I'll
give it a good old key.

Speaker 5 (55:37):
We try to Tesla.

Speaker 1 (55:38):
I'm also seeing that you're finalizing just in the last
stages there of this T twenty charity match between better
Man and November at Hagley Oval under lights.

Speaker 5 (55:48):
Will you be playing in that game?

Speaker 1 (55:50):
Yes?

Speaker 9 (55:50):
I will, Yeah, and we'll be handpicking some team, so jerremy,
if you want to put your name forward, look, we'll
be going through some of those selections shortly.

Speaker 1 (55:58):
I'm a little bit rusty, particularly concerned about the bounce
at Hagley over as well. I don't really like the shortball,
anything whizzing through anything above sort of waist tight.

Speaker 5 (56:07):
I struggle with.

Speaker 9 (56:08):
Yeah, it'll be amazing too because it'll be under lights
on the Test wicket following the England Test match, So yeah,
amazing to have the opportunity and to be able to
raise money yet for a better Man in November as
a charity match will be amazing.

Speaker 12 (56:21):
To have that to the early December this year.

Speaker 2 (56:23):
Well, I'll be remiss if I didn't mention the ACC eleven,
our cricket team that is winless over six years of
six years of play.

Speaker 1 (56:34):
We played a game at Bay Oval the ACC eleven
and somehow managed to drop eleven catches and we didn't
take one. We didn't take one counting. Is that a record?
And a t twenty eleven cat I don't think there's
any side anywhere in the world has ever dropped eleven
catches and not to go and some of them were
absolute dollies.

Speaker 12 (56:54):
That is impressive. I don't know if you could do
it again if you tried.

Speaker 1 (56:59):
Yeah, but at least we may eleven chances.

Speaker 5 (57:01):
Yeah, right, you're right?

Speaker 12 (57:04):
Health myself, right, so you get the cricketer secondary.

Speaker 1 (57:08):
There was no health in that team though, was there?

Speaker 2 (57:11):
There was the one point where there was three people
chasing after the ball and all went down with injuries and.

Speaker 1 (57:18):
Absolute disaster. Tight astell. Thanks for your time this morning,
quizz and some other shoes.

Speaker 2 (57:22):
And in we can get where we can people get
tickets to this quiz and some other shoes.

Speaker 9 (57:27):
Yeah, hit to our website Bitterman dot org dot in
ZID just to check more about us to find tickets,
but also if you want to support or you get
behind their initiative, would be amazing.

Speaker 1 (57:37):
Thanks Todd, best of Blake with everything.

Speaker 12 (57:40):
Thanks guys, appreciate your time.

Speaker 1 (57:41):
Mat and Jerry Show Radio.

Speaker 6 (57:42):
Head and Matt and Jerry Show Podcast.

Speaker 1 (57:52):
So a hostess has come out flood ten. It's come
out and disclosed the worst type of passenger, according.

Speaker 5 (57:59):
To them and their friends who also work in the industry. Okay,
this is going to reckon.

Speaker 1 (58:03):
They reckon the worst type of people that you ever
have to deal with on a flight, not surprisingly as influencers.

Speaker 2 (58:10):
Oh, influencers are the worst type of people that you
have to deal with everywhere an influencer.

Speaker 5 (58:16):
Influencers are other worse. But is it partly because as well?

Speaker 1 (58:18):
I think they say that they oftentimes are getting cheap
flights via the airline, and so there's an entitlement there.

Speaker 2 (58:24):
The main problem lies in the roots, Like this is
what the woman said Sky Taylor. She said, the main
problem lie in the roots, like Dubai in Vegas, where
you get the influencer types who maybe haven't paid full price.

Speaker 1 (58:39):
They can be quite.

Speaker 2 (58:40):
Difficult, she says. Taylor added that she believed the consumption
of our coalmode things worse as they made.

Speaker 1 (58:46):
Influencers act out of character.

Speaker 2 (58:48):
Yeah, and she said influencers are rude. Well that's interesting.

Speaker 1 (58:51):
Well, a couple of months ago, there was an influencer
who caused a bit of an outrage, didn't they because
they appeared to tell a traveler that they'd take two
minutes in the plane toilet, and then they spent fifteen
minutes making a video in the plane toilet doing a
like a skincare.

Speaker 5 (59:07):
Regime, a four step skincare regime.

Speaker 1 (59:10):
You just open the exit door and throw that person out,
don't you. Yeah, And that the video was captioned ops,
but it's clearly not ops. Yeah. Right, And so I
think a person was called Kate Elizabeth and she's standing
in an aeroplane bathroom looking in the mirror, and the
text across the video says, I told the woman in
the Q I'd be two minutes. And then there's a

(59:31):
timer at the bottom which is going along and it
gradually counts up to fifteen minutes, so she completes her
beauty treatments.

Speaker 2 (59:37):
What an ahole.

Speaker 5 (59:37):
It's so annoying.

Speaker 2 (59:39):
There needs to be an influencer list, Like, so if
you have been called influencing, you get put on a
list and you're not allowed to fly or book into hotels.

Speaker 5 (59:48):
Or own a phone or own a phone.

Speaker 2 (59:50):
Yeah, you get put on the influencer list.

Speaker 5 (59:52):
And I can't run a burner. Maybe.

Speaker 2 (59:55):
Taylor also explained that celebrities who are often criticized for
exhibiting entitled tenants feared much better than influencers. I think
if you're looking at superstars and people who can afford
their tickets, they generally were lovely people and very respectable.

Speaker 5 (01:00:09):
There you go.

Speaker 1 (01:00:10):
So it's the people that I mean.

Speaker 2 (01:00:12):
You get these stories all the time where influencers will
contact a hotel and they'll say, do you want to
do a collab with me? You know, and then the
restaurant of the hotel say what do you bring you know?
And the influence go, well, we can bring you, you know,
my seventeen and a half thousand followers on Instagram, and

(01:00:34):
the hotel goes, well, why would I give you two
thousand dollars worth of stuff just to help you out?

Speaker 5 (01:00:38):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:00:39):
And then what the influencer then does if they don't
get the deal, then they go out and then they
try and shaft the person who said no to the deal.

Speaker 5 (01:00:46):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:00:46):
And then the person that says no to the deal
then releases the interactions and the entire world falls down
on the head of the influencer. That's all works.

Speaker 1 (01:00:55):
The system works, yep, the system works. Yeah on them,
Thanks very much for listening to the Matt and Jerry
Show Today Had a Lovely Day podcast is going to
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Speaker 5 (01:01:10):
Yeah, that's right.

Speaker 2 (01:01:12):
She's won quite a few gold medals. She bringing them
all in and a bronze I don't know.

Speaker 5 (01:01:16):
She brings in her meddles. Also, she's written a.

Speaker 2 (01:01:19):
Book, has she? Yeah, welln't she have trying to write
a book.

Speaker 1 (01:01:22):
Yeah, she's following in your footsteps. She was inspired by you.
She's inspired a lot of New Zealanders. But you've inspired
one of our greatness. Well, mate, you know what.

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Her dog's name is Hall Colin. Okay, so she's written
a book over in the book. She's got a dog
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Speaker 13 (01:01:39):
A lot of her husband called Bucky.

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