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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Get a wounders. Matt Heath here as we build up
to the final week of The Matten Jerry Show, the
victory lap slash mea culpa. I've put together a little
bit of a story of the history of the Matt
and Jerry Show and my time at Radiohodaki. You can
read it at Matdheath dot substack dot com. Maybe you
want to subscribe. It can be free if you want. Anyway, Blessed, Blessed, blessed,

(00:21):
give them a taste of Kiwi love you all, see
you next week. Oh, we're recording.

Speaker 2 (00:29):
Yeah, get over to how are you mate?

Speaker 3 (00:32):
I just want to double check, double confirm that we're
recording now and not what we were talking about the
last sort of sixty se no.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
No, no, all that stuff that can be deleted. That's
you know, sometimes people say things that will affect just them,
you know, there's some kind of career limiting stuffy. But
what you've said before the mic turns on there, that's
probably a company wide issue. I'd say, so, so that
won't make the podcast.

Speaker 3 (00:57):
I think not only a company white issue, the media
company wide.

Speaker 1 (01:01):
Oh that's true. There's two companies involved with that.

Speaker 3 (01:03):
Yeah, and could quite potentially affect the happiness that my
Karen marriage.

Speaker 2 (01:08):
Welcome along to the Mat and Jury Show podcast for
another day. Of course, it's myself, Mashie and Rudy here,
the two producers of the Met and Jury Show are
presenting you with some of Maddi's most love moments from
the last couple of years on the Mat and.

Speaker 1 (01:19):
Jury Show podcast. Of course, we're just kind of what
are we doing here, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:24):
We're filling the blanks, We're treating the boards. We're bridging
the gap. That's a good one.

Speaker 1 (01:28):
Yeah, bridging the gap sounds nice. Oh yeah, it almost
sounds sixty.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
We're bridging the gap until the boys come back next week,
of course, and we thought we'd reach out to Meddie
and say, Maddie, what are some of your most love
moments from the podcast over the few years. We're kind
of leaving the radio show out of it. The radio
shows is kind of staying on the radio show, I mean,
whiffling in this week for the boys as they are
off getting ready for next week. Ruder and We're talking
a lot about the Mat and Jury Show radio show
moments on there, but in terms of the most loved

(01:54):
moments from the podcast. We're just focusing on really podcast
and Joe's and daily bespokes and stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:58):
Like that, aren't we.

Speaker 3 (01:58):
I feel like I've seen quite a few times in
the last week, just peeling the curtain back, just taking
a look behind the curtains. Yes, or similar phrases. Yeah,
you're always very generous because you say things like the
boys are preparing, the boys preparing for the victory late
next week. Yeah, now I feel it's not out of turn,
say Jerry is doing far from preparing for the victory.

Speaker 1 (02:18):
Lab you know there's that is a fair point.

Speaker 2 (02:20):
Actually, you know what, fuck it man, because I was
because I was off a couple of weeks ago.

Speaker 1 (02:25):
Is this the place to event? I mean, I'm here
to bring it.

Speaker 2 (02:27):
I'm just here to intro Maddie's most loved moments. I'm
going to vent a couple of weeks ago off at
a funeral. Look, Oh true, I tuned into the radio.
Apparently Mes she's been on the piss last night.

Speaker 1 (02:40):
That's right.

Speaker 2 (02:41):
So actually, you know what, fuck it mate? What am
I doing here trying to protect the boys. Jerry is
currently about thirty four pints deep across there in Munich.

Speaker 1 (02:50):
He's not here.

Speaker 2 (02:51):
One thought about the show next week, and Maddy, I
don't know what the fuck he's up to.

Speaker 1 (02:54):
So you know what, mate, actually fuck it? Do you know?

Speaker 3 (02:59):
I feel like about six oh two am that Wednesday morning? Yeah,
I was like, okay, because some of those Mad and
Jery things have you in them. Yeah, right, And so
I was like, oh, do we want to address Mesh
not being here?

Speaker 1 (03:10):
Yeah? And they just absolutely ran off the back fence.
Are you yeah? I mean this is this is the thing.
And I don't think it was an off ear chat.

Speaker 3 (03:20):
I don't think they were like, oh we should we
should definitely have a chat where we stitch.

Speaker 2 (03:23):
Share old made up I was. It was live a
total question. Yeah, do I look like a punching bag?

Speaker 1 (03:29):
No?

Speaker 2 (03:29):
Here is another one of Maddie's most love moments. Okay,
this is a podcast bag from twenty twenty two.

Speaker 3 (03:35):
Now, isn't this the most played and downloaded ever Matt
and Jerry podcast?

Speaker 2 (03:40):
That's right, that is the most ever. Hears were reached
with this episode. It involves another person, not just Matt
and Jerry or me or you.

Speaker 1 (03:52):
I wasn't here. Oh true, it's pre ruder, it's premp.

Speaker 2 (03:58):
This is an episode the boys did were Mikey Heavoc.
It's a great episode. I think we might have reposted
it before when we did one of the Best of
Podcasts or something. I can't quite remember, but when I
asked many what are some of his most love moments
from the past few years on the podcast, he did say, Look,
I'm not sure about most loved, but one of the
most iconic, yes is this episode with Mikey Havoc. So

(04:19):
this is a podcast that you're about to hear that
we did two years ago. It goes for a full
hour Jesus of strap yourselves, in of Mattain Jerry having
Mikey hevickn as a guest appearance for to talk about
a story that that discussed long and hard prior to
this episode recording on the radio show and on the podcast.
I think most of you know what it is, but
it is involving an incident that happened Atlantic Castle, oh

(04:44):
so many years ago when Mikey Havoc and Jeremy Wells
were out filming.

Speaker 1 (04:47):
I believe it.

Speaker 2 (04:48):
Was heavocan newsboy, but I'm not one hundred percent You're
on that. I'm sure we'll talk about it during this episode.

Speaker 3 (04:52):
But and I tell you what one thing that I
think of when I think about Mikey Havock coming in, Yeah,
as he gives the full Hundi, he does give it
the He's a very passionate storyteller.

Speaker 1 (05:04):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (05:04):
Can I also say as well, because I'm currently on
Predna zone steroids for a nasal slash sindis in.

Speaker 1 (05:10):
Fiction big words.

Speaker 2 (05:12):
Yep, Well I was wrong. It's a sinus sitis in fiction. Okay, sure,
Prin's own steroids.

Speaker 3 (05:19):
And the doctor said, hey, mate, you want to take
these in the morning because if you take them at night,
it will keep you awake, So please take these in
the morning. And I would say, similar to this podcast,
do not listen to this kness because you're just going.

Speaker 1 (05:33):
To stay awake.

Speaker 2 (05:34):
Yeah, I was to compare this podcast with a drug. Yes,
I'm gonna be very careful about this.

Speaker 1 (05:40):
Let's plenty. All right, We'll see tomorrow. Love you. Let's
get busy. Is it time to open the Royal Inquiry

(06:00):
into the incident nine as the Great Larnux Castle Pounding.

Speaker 2 (06:09):
I really like it.

Speaker 1 (06:12):
I know we've gone into this in detail before, but
today it is an official Royal inquiry in that we've
invited one of the key players in the Larnox Council
pounding of nineteen ninety eight, Mike have.

Speaker 4 (06:32):
It Well, there's a lot of things to establish. Firstly,
did it even happen in nineteen ninety eight? I feel
like it happened nineteen ninety eight. It may have been
nineteen ninety nine. It was definitely ninety eight ninety nine season, Yeah,
you know that, that cricket season. I feel like maybe
it was ninety nine. But anyway, twenty three years ago
there was an incident and Atlantic Castle that followed the

(06:52):
Miss New Zealand contest. Yeah, and so it's an even
working in this club, we know, we know.

Speaker 1 (06:57):
That we know those details. But we've been discussing this
for why. At some time it was on a Avocan
Newsboy tour television tour. You touring and you were judging
Miss New Zealand in Dunedin. After the party, you went
back to a flat where there was everyone was getting
ripped up and someone spilt some beer on a table.

(07:18):
There was a table suck and then something something happened.
You guys end up back at Larnett's Castle. You go
to bed and one of your great regrets in your
life is that you kept partners right through your early
late teens and twenties, and so ran a bit of
a faithful kind of vibe when you could have been
sprang it around the country. So you were off to

(07:39):
bed in another room, but your compadre and ha acn
newsboy was, according to you, involved in a lengthy pounding
in another room in the Lane's Castle barn style accommodation
with thin walls. Well, let's yeah, there is to Lance.
There's Lanet Castle and then beside Barneck Castle as the

(08:01):
Larnet Castle Stables, and you can stay in the Larneck
Castle stables.

Speaker 4 (08:05):
And can I say it's a fantastic place to stay.
Really interesting because you end up in Atlantic Castle. You
can wander around the grounds. You can even have dinner
after everybody's left Lannet Castle. You can have dinner in
Larnak Castle. You can have dinner in the ballroom. Yeah,
it's pretty cool. Actually, it's a really cool place to stay. Yeah,
so we were staying there because we were doing a
story on it, and we're also staying there because that

(08:25):
was where o accommodation was a long way away. It's
got to be said from the Dunedin Workingmen's Club. Yeah,
that's a long way away. And what a glamorous spot
for Miss New Zealand, Dunedin working Men's Club. I know, wow, glamorous.
But the two things I remember from the actual show
itself was they had the Dawning of the Age of
Aquarius at one stage. It was a theme and the

(08:49):
girls were wearing girls the young ladies were wearing ball
evening where and it was the Dawning of the Age
of Chris was the song that played.

Speaker 1 (08:58):
I remember that.

Speaker 4 (08:59):
The other thing I remember from the actual ceremony itself,
the nineteen nineteen nine I think Miss New Zealand pageant
was the guy at the halftime interval seeing the otiger
hrland is thing.

Speaker 1 (09:11):
At Targall Haylanders surname. I remember that quite well. Now
over the years with the telling of the story, and
one of the reasons why we've called this royal inquiry
is because some of the facts have proven to be erroneous.
For the longest time, you told us, and you you

(09:34):
testified that it was Miss County's Monaco who came back
to the Larnix Cardinal Larix Carnal, the Larnix Castle stable
style accommodation yep. But then subsequently, whilst you were visiting
the Royal Albatross Colony and TII Point and not te
Way Point and Tardi Tyrie hits Tiari Heads to say

(10:00):
when you've been saying it one way hold of life
and the person that had been managing Larnaces Castle was
now working at the Royal Albatross Colony, and she said, Nay,
it was not missus, miss County's Manica or did she
say that? Was that what you got that information? She said,
She said that she recalled the pounding, but you discovered

(10:20):
that it wasn't Miss County's Manica after for the longest
time saying it was. Well, that's the thing. I know.
I never said it was Miss County. I never said that.

Speaker 4 (10:28):
But I do believe that Miss County's Manuco was involved
in some drinking games back at the after party, and
she was very, very fervent when she was encouraging people
who had any spillers tablesuck. I remember that, And I
do remember there's a bottle of jim Bean on the
table in the kitchen when we walked in, because we
walked in through the kitchen entrance. The back door came

(10:50):
in through the back door of the after party, which
is being held in a flat in Dunedin somewhere, and
the first thing we walked in on was a kitchen
scene with Miss County's Manu Co and I believe Miss
the Wonderland's the beautiful tiny Tawara. I remember our heads
is where we're a lot of our heads here. That's

(11:10):
where the Royal Labatrust Colonies is, Harington Point. So it's
not in a Royal inquiry into where the Albatross colony
is because we know that that's where the person that
was running the Larx Larnarx castle was now working.

Speaker 1 (11:21):
Yeah, so years later, so that confirmed that a pounding
had taken place.

Speaker 4 (11:25):
What we need to do, Okay, so the old have
mikey Ev It's coming into the podcast and he's going
to be here. Momentarily it's just caughting, some calling, some
traffic and Nelson Street, so he'll be here in a
few moments. But when he is here, what we need
to establish. First of all, the parameter is the rart
at the beginning, all right, okay, the Royal So you.

Speaker 1 (11:42):
Want to lay down the parameters of this Royal Inquiry
into the incidents at Larnace Castle. But okay, we established
the facts, Okay, what so what facts you need to establish?
I think we know it was a Miss New Zealand competition.
We don't need to establish that. We know it happened
at the Workingmen's Was it Miss Universe Zealand or was
it Miss World Music? Okay, I'm not sure. I want

(12:04):
to establish that.

Speaker 4 (12:05):
And then you then I want to see sit at
the Dunedin Workingmen's Club and I'd love to hear the
old havees take on that.

Speaker 1 (12:11):
I'm pretty sure it was. But and then and then
when did you go back to the flat? Was a
green island with a cavisham? I feel like it was Cavisham. Well,
that's the other. I'd like to know where the flat
was because he might have some memories. And how did
you and it's not easy to get to Larnix Castle.
How did you get from Larnix Castle? How did you
get to Lnix Castle from the flat?

Speaker 4 (12:28):
I believe that tarks Our Soundy drove us in the
in the Communicado van. I'm pretty sure that that was
because he definitely drove someone back home in the morning
on the way through, because I remember that part of it.
So there's some look, there's some gray areas, and I
think old have very he's got a great memory, and

(12:49):
I think he'll be particularly good at just filling in
the cracks, filling in the gaps where where I've struggled.

Speaker 1 (12:56):
And you've got to go. You've got to go a
long way up Portobello Road. Oh, I actually can go
up to it. There's another way you can get up there,
actually if you go up up High Cliff Road. But
either way it's quite a long way and a pecurious
journey getting up to Larnix Castle.

Speaker 4 (13:11):
Look, I know that I know that there have been
some concerns, not only from podcast listeners but also from
the old have and some of the other people involved
in Miss New Zealand that in between the cracks, weeds
will grow. Sometimes when you don't have all the information,
there's misinformation.

Speaker 1 (13:27):
And stories grow in the talent. That's right, and so
we're all aware of that. So that's why it's good
to establish. Did you guys go to to Glenn Felick
for a coffee in the morning. I don't think there
was anything like that going on, but some odd locks.

Speaker 4 (13:41):
Yeah, yeah, right, but I think that had more to
do with the after ours activities that were going on
behind closed doors.

Speaker 1 (13:47):
Okay, so with I guess the key witness running a
little bit late here. Yeah, it's good. It's good to
know what we're going to ask.

Speaker 4 (13:56):
So I'm excited about getting to the bottom of all this.
I don't know how excited he is about getting.

Speaker 1 (14:02):
To the bottom of others. Well, he hasn't rushed in
to be He hasn't. He hasn't arrived early and prepared.
He's running out of a James mcconey approach to appearing
on podcasts. To be fair to him, he has never
arrived earlier at anything I've ever been involved. There was,
so we shouldn't. So we shouldn't read into his tardiness

(14:22):
and a reticence to share the details of the incident
that has become known as the Larnett Castle Stable poundings.

Speaker 4 (14:30):
And let's just and also we need to we need
to also say that he was not he I approached him,
you come and clear this up. And look at first
he was like, really do we do we do? We
want to go over that? And I said, look, I
think I think it's I think we have. I think
we owe it to people to readly clear things up.
He wasn't champion at the bit, right it that way,

(14:53):
But he also wasn't champing at the bit. As the
champion at the bit, he also wasn't he wasn't sure
going away from it either at the same time, but
he certainly wasn't the person that came forward and said
let's sort this out. It was me that approached him,
So that that needs to be cleared up as well. Yeah, right, okay,
And there needs to be some context around it as well,

(15:13):
because it was nineteen ninety eight slash nine quite a
different time. I mean, firstly, beauty pageants were quite different
in those days. Also, the types of television shows that
were being made. The media landscape was very different in
those days, as was regional New Zealand. And New Zealand
was a different place in those days. What was happening

(15:34):
in Dunedin was was we're talking pre internet here.

Speaker 1 (15:39):
I want to know whether you acknowledged the Soldier's Monument
lookout as you were heading out there after the party.
Is that Portobello Well, no, it's it's above Portobello Road.
You know that monument? Aware of it. No, I was
not aware of the monument. Wow, that's just beautiful. Okay.

Speaker 4 (15:58):
So the other interesting part out of this scenario was
that probably the thing that in the end Mike and
I became best known for another piece of television, actually
occurred the next day after this Lantic Well, I need
to clarify that as well, but I'm pretty sure that
that occurred the day after this Miss New Zealand Larnak

(16:19):
Castle incident.

Speaker 1 (16:21):
The thing is like, say, if you're involved in a
party situation and you get into the Communicato van it
was a high as was it a high as? Like
Communicator was the name of the production company? It was
a Hias And so you get into the Communicato van,
that's a long journey. And if the was this, this
person wasn't a local weather Dirks Morrison that was involved.

(16:46):
We've confirmed it's not miscount Miss Counties in Monaco. So
was it a local we we haven't yet. But if
I'm a local, I'm at a party and people say
we're going to stay at at Lana's castle, I'm going
to say, no, well it's going We really had to
get back from here because it's in the middle of
the nowhere. Yeah, well that it's a huge commitment to
get into the Communicato high as in nineteen ninety eight

(17:08):
slash ninety ninety nine, to go all the way out
to Larninx Castle. There is Yeah, it is, it is.
But I think that we're about to be able to
stop the speculation. The man himself, Mikey Haveck, is it
about to enter the room.

Speaker 4 (17:22):
Yeah, so it's a bit. It was so going to
be so good to be able to go through all
this stuff. Does he should we just break We'll just
break for it. We'll stop for a break, stop for
a break, and we'll come back with Mikey Havock.

Speaker 1 (17:32):
And we're back and it's a great pleasure to welcome
to the menton Jerry Show podcast and Shrow Mikey Havoc.
Thank you very much, Jerry, Hello, Matt House, so good
to see you. Thank you so much for coming in
for this inquiry. God, I forgot, I forgot that this
was done in the round as well. By the way,
so for listeners to the listening in the round, in
the round, in the round around it a round doesn't

(17:54):
should be coming around the mountain, no, but in around.

Speaker 4 (17:57):
Yeah, it's so good to hear view on the podcast
because you know, as you know, I've told you and
I talked to you about this on a via text.
There's a there's a story which we talk about a
little bit involves the Miss New Zealand pageant from nineteen
eighty eight, nineteen nineteen ninety eight, nineteen ninety nine.

Speaker 1 (18:16):
So yes, So to start off, like, so it was
the Miss New Zealand pageant, not the Miss New Zealand
Universe Miss Universe New Zealand pageant. Well, this is the thing.
We need to establish some some facts around that.

Speaker 5 (18:28):
Let's be quite clear about where we are in a
history timeline now, Matt, which is an age of disinformation,
an age of fake news, an age of tall tales
and barely fact checking. So this is a this is
a I appreciate having the opportunity to be here because
we're to help try and whip the story into shape.

Speaker 1 (18:49):
Yeah, because I'm worried that the story is told night
it's changed in the telling. I was often the case. Yeah.
This is before the Internet. Yeah, yeah, it wasn't it.
This is pre internet. Yeah, So this is raw dog.
This is raw dog phone just on pH I had
a phone. I don't even know if I had a phone.

(19:09):
I may have just been given a phone out of
those phones. It was just a pretend phone to try
out pretend steering wheels and just to to center it
in time. This was this night happened, according to Jerry,
the night before the famous Gores, the gay capital of
New Zealand. Yeah, okay, so we've established that, I believe,

(19:31):
which was which is one of the most famous moments
of the show, but it was actually one of the
sixty most famous according to Indian on Screen. It was
in the top sixty television moments in New Zealand. Ever.
I saw it go out on the TV live that moment,
which is remarkable what I saw it, and with a
bunch of people were watching, we laughed about it, and

(19:53):
immediately people were talking about that it was a you're
not on God, a Marla now doctor Ropatter moment for that.

Speaker 5 (19:58):
She gots gone longer than that even Yeah, yeah, And
that's the whole as you say, it was at the
back end of this we're about to tell and and
we were and and you know, we we we're professionals,
and we like to keep in control and on top
of things, and so and as this tale will probably indicate,

(20:21):
we we were a little worse for wear that morning,
and we and were I particularly remember we were sleep
in the van as a way counting because I must
have been driving the car. So I was a sleep
in the van and Dave producer, shook me away and
come on and gore, we have to do something else.
Was that Dave the British guy, that's his who's who?
When he came to the other of the age nine

(20:41):
had never put his feet on grass?

Speaker 1 (20:43):
Wow? No, no, no, there's no, there isn't. God sorry
to see misinformation. And he never he's never been outside
with the shoes off, that's right, Yeah, yeah, no judgment
on day, just saying that. So this incident in nineteen
ninety nine, I think it's important to remember that I
don't want to do anything more.

Speaker 5 (20:59):
I was like going to massive hangover. I just can't
please stop. No, And then I remember was saying, just
let's just get out, let's just shoot something. We don't
have to use it, we probably won't use it.

Speaker 1 (21:09):
Just just do something.

Speaker 5 (21:10):
So we've got something in the can, just trade talk
for filmed and and so then we got there, we
got up into that and it was funny.

Speaker 1 (21:18):
Remember there's a lovely warm day, there wasn't a and yeah,
and then in the world happened. Yeah, it's so funny.

Speaker 4 (21:26):
And I remember, even when we saw the first cut
of that particular Gore moment, I've forgotten that we've even
done it. And I was like, I remember Dave saying
to us before we watched her, Now, I don't know
about this. I've cut something together and I'm not sure
if you don't want to put it, and we don't
have to, but it's.

Speaker 1 (21:44):
Something I don't know.

Speaker 4 (21:45):
It's kind of weird, and we're like, okay, And then
we watched and we're like, wow, that is weird. But
he did a great job of cutting it up, so
quite unusual.

Speaker 1 (21:52):
I am why I found that moment pretty funny, particularly
funny because I come from was because I came from
that area and like I'm a one time, you'd always
get threatened when you went to Gore by people. I
remember one time I stoppingenough for fish and chips and
before my foot hit the ground getting out of the
cars and went, yeah, fucking fagot before my well, before
my foot even hit the ground. And then you guys

(22:13):
are calling it the gay capital of the world.

Speaker 5 (22:14):
It was, well, of course, then there was then this
is this is where you know, there's been a few
said follow up situations. You know, we went back and
did a poster run sort of at one stage, and
then we offered the town the opportunity for free five
weeks to splay and you know, as to try and because.

Speaker 1 (22:30):
It was there's a lot of tension. Yeah, it was,
it was. It was.

Speaker 5 (22:33):
It's a long way to drive around as well, if
you're trying to get to the next boat and.

Speaker 1 (22:38):
Go around.

Speaker 5 (22:41):
Had had already done a big parade for us that
was rubbing the song in the wound. And so for
our third sell it to all the victory that we
went ended up going look for your free fights space
under the condition that when we arrive in town, just no,
just no, one gives us any ship. So then what
happens Someone gave us some ship, so we end up
letting them off from Cleveland.

Speaker 1 (23:01):
That's right, that's right. So should we should we go
back and maybe should we get like you to tell
the story got fifteen minutes? Should we ever to do this?
We must I go, I know that's the thing. Fifteen minutes? Well,
should we can we because we I think you'll lead it.
You lead the witness, Jerry, So I reckon, maybe if
we can, we can we get you to start. Would
you like to play the part of the inquisitor. Well,

(23:21):
I'm just going to say take us back. So I
think the most important part to start is let's start
with the judging of the Miss New Zealand. Univers very clear,
we were not the judges. What well, that's right.

Speaker 5 (23:34):
At the very we were making television, okay, so we
were there as gifts. We had full access, full access
to the to the pageant. Upstairs of the music, the
Dnedan Cosmopolitan Club. Was it the Workingmen's or the Cosmopolitan?
How many things have you got?

Speaker 1 (23:53):
Right? Okay, look you know what? Oh yeah, okay, it's not.
But it's the Cosmopolitan Club, the Cosm Club, top four downstairs,
Pokey's right downstairs, open for regulars, and and and drinking
and poking upstairs, the glittering spectacle. There was the Miss
New Zealand I think it was, wasn't And and then

(24:16):
you were invited by the contestants to go to a
party afterwards.

Speaker 5 (24:20):
I think it's important to set the scene a little
under the booming voice of Frankie Stevens.

Speaker 1 (24:27):
Stevens, you've got that.

Speaker 5 (24:28):
But right aside from just punters punters, it was pretty
much as far as entertainers male entertainers go, it was
pretty much just Jeremy and himself and Frankie Stevens.

Speaker 1 (24:38):
There wasn't a guy in a clt singing tar or
Hailand tiger holand the half time. By that stage we
were pretty drunk. And I remember the.

Speaker 4 (24:48):
One of the sections was the evening where it was
done to the dawning of the age of Aquarius.

Speaker 1 (24:53):
I remember, I remember, can.

Speaker 5 (24:55):
You confirm that I can't confirm that I can confirm
that those are the familiar with some broadcasting or performance
on screen or something with no little of pel mics
which is a very small, very discreet microphone which was
attached just the color or perhaps the just the breast
of the jacket, something like that, and you tuck it
away you barely see it. Now, we had those on

(25:17):
the whole night, and we've sat there and you know,
we've been we've been working hard, haven't We had me
up till then during me up to the as we
as we traversed the country, you know, scooping up great
tailor making great talent and and and we weren't really
required to do we did did a few interviews me
some of the lovely ladies that were there, and we

(25:40):
did a few interviews that sort of thing, and then
I needed to knuckle down to watch the show because
it's quite a show, as you can imagine. You know,
if you don't have a take, you can't just come
up from downstairs and watch. Yeah, And so you know,
we started watching show.

Speaker 1 (25:52):
We have a few drinks.

Speaker 5 (25:53):
Yeah, And as I said, we hadn't had the opportunity
to sit around and just have a few drinks on
that tour, really have we, you know, And so we
had a couple of drinks and then we started started
getting quite flippant and lippy on these microphones that we had,
and I remember some of the things that we were
saying was just were inappropriate and.

Speaker 1 (26:11):
The way for guys in the off steam and back
in the day, and and uh, you.

Speaker 5 (26:16):
Know, we were just in there just sort of just
doing a running commentary of the whole thing. The three
chairs from Hot Off for new you know, one girl
has to be the bright, shiny, you know presence that
Riki brings all the other girls together, Miss Geniality.

Speaker 1 (26:33):
I remember that, you remember that?

Speaker 4 (26:34):
Remember I remember also Miss Rotto Thermal Wonderlands was the
beautiful Tanya Tata and I can't believe that. I remember
just Frankie Stevens kept saying, and ladies and gentlemen, Miss
thermal Wonderlands, the beautiful Tanya toldt it.

Speaker 1 (26:48):
It always flowed together.

Speaker 5 (26:49):
And if you can, if you can carry that mantle
of Miss Thermal Wonderland, that's pretty good.

Speaker 1 (26:54):
It's an important one. Hang on a minute, so you've
misrepresented where this was because the duned and Workingmen's Clubs
are very differ ferent place to the club just known
as the Dunedin Club on Melville Street. That changes everything anyway, Sorry,
I remember it was.

Speaker 4 (27:09):
Across the road from some rugby fields. That's that's what
I can remember. In terms of the visual part of it.
The front door the rugby was sort of across.

Speaker 1 (27:18):
So there we were. We were enjoying the show here
and here they come some of the most wonderful you know,
this is this is a beauty pageant, as it's supposed
to be. Matt and and they were really cool. You know.
We had had from all over the country. What good
representation Miss Counties Counties, County Counties or Miss Counties, Monicomis Counties.

(27:42):
I don't think that's another mistake because that's how they
That's how they, that's how they operate in terms of rugby.
But I don't know if they in terms of beauty
can I don't want to get Beauty pageants aren't so
much a team sport.

Speaker 4 (27:55):
Yeah, to judge, I don't know. Beauty pageants are about judging,
but I don't want to judge. But for me, Miss
County's Monico was the She was very attractive.

Speaker 5 (28:05):
And she carried herself with the amazing portant Lanta Coke
cokecroft esque and cocroft and and she and she then
she then she has she She entered on the the catwalk,
she looked looked almost all of us on the straight
the eye, and she said, I'd like to be a
veterinarian on my own veterinarian the veterinary viterany service one day.

Speaker 1 (28:28):
And she was very she this is the young lady
who knew what she wanted and and did you if you,
if you checked back, and did you make it a
dream of being a bit the story will continue. And
but in particularly I do remember I could I could
see that. I can see the image of Miss Counties
sitting herself to the to the crowd, you don't Interrupauty

(28:48):
page on this.

Speaker 5 (28:49):
I think you've got a chance, I suppose. And then
and she she certainly fancied itself having a chance. And
she was and she said, and by the state, we
were just we were having great time.

Speaker 1 (28:59):
We were having a great time.

Speaker 4 (29:00):
We were high on the hog of the celebration of
beautiful young women walking around on a stage and the crowd.

Speaker 1 (29:07):
We're into it.

Speaker 4 (29:07):
We've gone through the Otago Hardlander song at halftime, the
age of.

Speaker 1 (29:12):
When you say the crowd, what a warm and welcoming crowd.
It was for a couple of decks from the TV.
It was a good time. It was a good time.
So we'd had a good time.

Speaker 4 (29:21):
And then I don't remember what happened with the pageant itself,
and I don't think that really matters in terms of
the context of this particular story. I can tell you
I think that Miss Auckland won the.

Speaker 1 (29:30):
That's quite conscious. She's lovely. I think do you remember
the the miss no disappointing? What about Miss Southlands anyway.

Speaker 6 (29:49):
Love.

Speaker 1 (29:49):
They were all very they were committed to it. They
were they were too stuck up about the great fun
it was. They were so accommodating. Yeah men. So so
then something happened and I'm not sure how this happened,
but we were then invited to the after party. Yes,

(30:10):
now this is where, of course we were.

Speaker 5 (30:12):
We've had a few under the belt and our our
tongue and Cameron and he said, old drive you from
him in the Communicado van.

Speaker 1 (30:20):
No, no, no, no, the Ford Falcon. Some reason, I
measoned it was on Communicato, got so many details wrong.
He said it was a Communicado highluks. No a high
as a high as I mean, not a highlight. Yeah,
and we had a few people on board. Yeah, and
then and then we had to find the thing, which

(30:42):
is like if dned and like what what is that?
What have they done there? Like if you go to
our house, you have to go up someone else's path
to their house and then the back of their house
and then ye need to find them. And I was
just cavisham, I don't know. It was up it was
up on the hill on the hell this is the
thing hell. I believe it was either halfway Mornington morning Site,

(31:05):
Mornington Mornington, yeah, somewhere like that. But there were no
Google Maps in those days. Morning Yeah, So I don't
know how we ages.

Speaker 5 (31:12):
Trying to find there, and we and we and then
you go through this rabbit warren of dwellings and then
suddenly we came across and this is where this is,
This is where the this is, this is where it starts.

Speaker 1 (31:22):
Really yeah, I.

Speaker 5 (31:23):
Mean this is you know, you've we're going to the
Miss New Zealand after party. Oh that's we've been personally invited.

Speaker 1 (31:29):
It's a real feather in your caps, and you know
it's not something you might get the chance to do
everything and and there's funk all else, and so we're
just like so we fight the place and were like
overjoyed the packs of cast seven miles down the hill
or wherever, and that's like Elgon Road.

Speaker 5 (31:47):
And we and then we and then we we finally
we can see this party. Lights are going there. We
tried one door that door, so this is not an
front PROMPTU party. This was a planned after party the res.

Speaker 1 (32:02):
Residence.

Speaker 5 (32:04):
And we and then we sort of open the door.
We find the door that you go in and then
you open the door acts quite a scene and this.

Speaker 1 (32:12):
Is this is I feel like we came in the
back door, entered into the kitchen. Yeah, that's I mean,
but that was the door that was opened, tried to
front and it's like a porch veranda. Maybe maybe that
was some sort of like diversion for people who might
want to think that they found them this using lovebuty
and then this was locked. Yeah, do some student and then.

Speaker 5 (32:31):
They and so we rapped this back door and to
a table. This is I mean, this is quite triggering
to think about this even now, Matt.

Speaker 1 (32:39):
There's just a.

Speaker 5 (32:40):
Table with one two at least three maybe four able
body gentlemen face down passed out on the table to
my one thirty on the clock, and other gentleman looking

(33:03):
like he'd just been smashing here with a sledgehammer. He
was visibly swaying, visibly about to puke, and just just
snellas just reeling of his eyes rolling on us and
there and then to my right on my twelve o'clock,
right on my right up the front of me, right
on the fat side of the table. As we walked
in the back door with her hair just boom down

(33:25):
like a tent and then just look through her hair,
points her elbow at the guy and goes.

Speaker 1 (33:34):
Hesitation, drink your fucking pass. And it's Miss Counties, Miss Counties.

Speaker 5 (33:39):
Miss Counties. And it was just the I mean, hell's
teeth behind it looking that I could see it on
your face. You're there again, and they've transported the me.
You've transported me there.

Speaker 1 (33:53):
And then remember the color of the walls.

Speaker 4 (33:55):
Wass it was like a pale green color. And and
there she was, and look she was not in her
evening where anymore.

Speaker 1 (34:03):
Put it that way.

Speaker 4 (34:04):
Last the last I'd seen of Miss County's moniker, where
she was up on stage looking glorious.

Speaker 1 (34:09):
She won.

Speaker 5 (34:10):
I don't even think she got to the to the
end of the actual mister New Zealand is unable to
perform her duties. Then it goes to the I don't
think she even placed, and I think it had her
heart right, but she but her real dream was to
be a vet anyway, wasn't it.

Speaker 1 (34:24):
Well, that's right.

Speaker 5 (34:24):
I don't think dreams had lots to do with them.
By that stage in the nightmare, there was remember what
I said, there's one, two three already. Yeah, face down,
passed out. Yeah, Miss Counties were slaughtering me in. This
is straight after. This is so soon after the next
find the place I think.

Speaker 1 (34:45):
We may have, I don't know where.

Speaker 4 (34:46):
There's some time that's been think we dropped some of
the other crew back in the year. Something happened. But
there was definitely a bottle of jack. Oh yeah, of
Jim Bean. I remember a really one two five of
Jim Beam and they were playing drinking games with the
gym beam. Miss County's moniker was particular on the way

(35:07):
that she pointed with her elbow.

Speaker 1 (35:08):
Which is using teeth. Was she come or she used
to tea? I think at one point, I remember there
was a there was a table, There was spillage and
there was a table ground. She was focused on the
on the drinking game, on the drinking around, smashing those
guys and anyone who thought that they even were going
to have any sort of flirt or even just a
conversation with her, she was going to just hate on them.

(35:30):
And are we looking at a situation? How horrible situation.

Speaker 2 (35:34):
Man.

Speaker 1 (35:34):
But what percentage of contestants had come back to the afterpady.

Speaker 4 (35:37):
I think I think most apart from maybe Miss Wonderlands,
the Beautiful Tanya Talba, who had won Miss Congeniality earlier
before Horror.

Speaker 1 (35:48):
Did you get anything right on this night? I'm scary.

Speaker 4 (35:51):
All I can remember I remember Miss horor no it
Weirdly enough, I also remember Miss Wonderlands, the beautiful Tanna,
and I remember Miss County's Moniker. I don't actually remember
anyone else weird enough, though. The only three that I
can see to around us. That's really good for that's
not bad for twenty five years. Yeah, but I remember
that scene.

Speaker 1 (36:10):
Are there any there any start there, any key details
we need to know about the party before you guys
decide to get into the It was.

Speaker 5 (36:17):
It was pretty subdued and it was actually quite quite nice.
It was actually from that from that that was definitely
the most hardcore part of the party.

Speaker 1 (36:23):
Definitely. That was that was like like you walked into
the back into the zoo or something. That was like Jesus.
It was not pretentious put it that way. They were
very wealthy, and yeah, that did we expected. There's looks
really really nice people, you know. But then we had
the decision was to make to the couple there a
couple of boyfriends around some of the locals and some
of the judges were there. The you know, there was

(36:46):
some of the officials who were sort of like, wow,
I'm off the clock now you goes, are you on
all right? Right? Right? So they weren't judging them anymore,
and I guess we're weary too. We didn't want to
be like the guys going hi, yeah, yeah, yeah, future
mess yeah. Hey, sorry to interrupt, We just have to
cut to a quick ad break. So wait there. So

(37:09):
a decision was made at some point to head back
to the castle either and it's our accommodation for the
for the stay in the need was the stable. It's
the very historic and the stated stately home of lant Castle.
Was that and so did you head back? Was either
a red Falcon or the commuter cardo it was? And
the reason I think we weren't the only ones going back. Yeah,

(37:31):
how many how many people joined for the trip back
to the Larnox Castle stable. There was you whole Mikey,
and there was also of course you Jeremy. There was
a driver and the driver. Yeah.

Speaker 7 (37:44):
I think Morrison is the Morrison drive extraordinary because because
it's a while away from morning, from morning time to
Larix Castles. It's a bit of a drive, a perilous
drive up the Portabello Road or you go up local
road and if you know the whole thing is that
the to get there. We know it's quite a We're

(38:05):
going to go back to where we were staying, Lark
Castle and do you want to come situation? And you
got a commitment, quite a commandment.

Speaker 1 (38:16):
You put the idea around to a few people. Do
you want to we met at the party, yeah, yeah, yeah,
and I'm not because a lot of them were aware
of a lot far away. Well, it's a long wailey
and in some way and we've got a problem.

Speaker 2 (38:31):
Sorry, we're really going to get out of here because
we've got film crews coming in to sit up for
an interview.

Speaker 1 (38:36):
After that, we're going to have to put pause on this.
We are, we're gonna put we well, let's just we
can we can we pause for a break here and
then go through the a CEC studio in front of it.
Should try that. Okay, let's see that because we can't
leave it here. You're back when we're back, So just
to paint the picture. We Tracy kicked us out of
the che studio for some reason. So we've moved over

(38:58):
to the Flavor Studio. Just you can just I don't know,
people don't atually need to know that. But anyway, this
story is because we're in dneedan and sorry, so we
are still in the round. Yeah, yeah, we're so we're
not going to make it okay, So we're we are
So we've got we've got a guest here.

Speaker 5 (39:17):
Well, we've got guests on board. Yes, this is where
this disclosure comes out. I mean, this is what I'm
here for, isn't really.

Speaker 1 (39:23):
Yeah, doesn't it?

Speaker 4 (39:23):
Well, this is the thing now, can I can I
just paint a picture before we get into the rest
of the story, because this is where look, there's going
to be some different opinions on what happened after here,
and obviously there are people who the people who are
involved in the story is still alive, so you know,
we've got to and there has to be some discretion
involved in this part of it that that's that's clear.

(39:44):
But I believe importantly that we were in a high
as fan and the reason that I think that is
because the amount of people who were in that van
going back there was definitely tax Marris and the driver
I was definitely in there. You were definitely in there.
And and I believe there was one other protagonist involved
in the story wearing a taffeta dress and and sitting

(40:06):
on my knee for what kind of dress?

Speaker 1 (40:08):
Taffata? What's tafia? What's it? What's it's a?

Speaker 5 (40:13):
It's a it's a it's a pretty stamp. Maybe maybe
that's probably if I've got that wrong, I'm sorry. I apologize.
If it's a it's a it's a pretty cheap ball
gown O the so so, And you know, it was
not it was not the intention of the evening to
go and score, you know, because no no one and

(40:34):
I mean it, I'm not no one would who would
wh would do that?

Speaker 1 (40:40):
And then you know, and of course I help help
predictable and but but in this case I found myself
with a very very when I remember I was supposed
to look at each other sort of going oh yeah, okay,
all right, okay, right, well I was gonna do this night, man,
okay and okay. And then in the van going up

(41:02):
the hill and so's that's so there's some sort of
you admitting it's a van now not a red velc.
I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt. So were
you sitting more upright with all? Like you know, it's
a very different sort of seating position. And it was
definitely sitting on my knee across like it wasn't safe,
to be honest, and people didn't wear seatbelts in the
back and we were we were yelling out, shut out

(41:22):
the windows and just it sounds like a van singing
pirate songs and all stuff like that.

Speaker 4 (41:27):
I remember it was very jocol I feel like it
was a van because I remember the windiness of that
Porterbello really really drunk though I possibly is falling said,
I was incredibly drunk. But also can I say something
else about about to give this content and that is
in nineteen ninety nine, I think what what listeners need

(41:47):
to understand how you're changing the year is that nineteen
ninety eight, ninety nine something something.

Speaker 1 (41:52):
Like that, protecting what you have to understand that a
couple of young men on the television traveling around New
Zealand present people meaning all sorts, presented itself as something
quite different than what it does now traveling around. I
grew up in Duned and if anyone from the Telly

(42:13):
ever went anywhere near the town. Basically everyone went completely insane.
We were so excited to see anyone. That's very true
man and the But also we were sort of at
the back end of a couple of real shitters. April
Emi Is April's Angels would be going from town to
town building like halls and and doing favors. But it

(42:36):
does jam but no, this is the truth though this
They remember this, people tell us and they go, oh,
they came into death but you know, and then they
never even said thank you for all the help, and
then it's trashed on my flower bed and they just left.
I hate from it. Wasn't Jim MORI were doing a
bit of damage like that around the community at that time,
Kamaki Brothers the other ones. They would go around it

(42:56):
and people go, I think mucking In was Jim Morris show.

Speaker 4 (43:00):
But I think that I didn't hear a bad word
said about mucking And it's mainly April's Angels, which is
coming under a.

Speaker 1 (43:07):
Just you know, just and people just you like to
make TV. And and so how was Maggie Barry in
terms of guard like cleaning up people's We're in the
same We're in the same section that Tea she was popular,
she was not popular with either camera camera crew, or
the camera or the camera. She was the least popular

(43:28):
presenter off camera, very popular on camera with audiences oddly enough,
but then behind the scenes was the worst behavior in
terms of cleaning up gardens.

Speaker 5 (43:40):
I guess what I'm saying is that the TV people,
you know that's collective hadn't didn't have a very good
rip and so you know, we're was.

Speaker 1 (43:48):
Gary McCormick doing with it because he had a show
out in the regions as well at that time, didn't
they sort of a little bit after we'd started out.

Speaker 4 (43:55):
I think it was like But also can I say
something else about the time, and that is that that
that Mike as well was at the time A look.
I mean, I'm not going to use the word six
symbol because I think that's slightly maybe not quite accurate
and doesn't quite do it justice. But Mike had been touring,

(44:16):
but he was I did a lot of touring with Mate.

Speaker 1 (44:20):
He was very very attractive to young ladies where he
was young ladies would find themselves. And I don't think
that's anyone any secret anyone that lived through the era.
He was very well known that that woman would get
very weak at the knees. It was the mere mention
of Mikey Havoc. He was a no one. He was
at he was incredibly popular yourself and with and with

(44:46):
the lads as well. People people would flop manhugs.

Speaker 4 (44:54):
So he'd go to towns and people would people would come,
people would come to him.

Speaker 1 (44:58):
This is what I'm might jumping in.

Speaker 5 (45:00):
I want to come back to something you just said
previous Met Too, you said that things were very different,
and the It's true. That's true, you know, because we
were going around doing what we were doing on that show,
and you could go to someone on the microphone and
then you get the real them.

Speaker 1 (45:15):
And now I've noticed and.

Speaker 5 (45:18):
Even even I remember talking about this when we did
the third one, how people saw us and they realized
we were and so then they adopted the personality that
they thought they should adopt with You're on TV, and
it was and it was nowhere nears real, and I
think I think that's what we suffer from now. Basically,
look people you voxpops and they're like, oh, yes, well
thanks very much, looking for a quick little viral that

(45:40):
goes around the whole world. Well so, well, you've got guys,
got to understand from the outside perspective. You mentioned April's
Angels and the like, and TV in New Zealand had
been very punishing for a very long time. So when
you Guys appeared and you appeared to not give a
ship and you were made up by the way, but
you guys appeared and you were like doing this show,
and it was like, Oh, these people aren't trying to

(46:01):
Like there were things like CV and and people that
were trying to do these shows. I've felt very tryad
and suddenly there was a show that was on that
felt like, Oh, these are kind of guys I'd like
to hang out with. I feel very comfortable, they're very confident.
I'm not feeling like I hate New Zealand because I'm
watching these guys. And there was a huge amount of
name and there was a huge amount of pride that
we all felt watching you guys on TV. We're like,
oh my god, these are people. They're on TV and

(46:23):
New Zealand's making a show that's not shit. But also
they don't seem to be trying to sell us anything.
They were just being themselves. So when you went to
the regions, people were not only stoked to see you
because you were he had been well known. They were
we were grateful. We were grateful people. And it was
also know something that I always found is that get
out there and meet people, actually ninety nine point nine

(46:45):
percent of them are really interesting. You know, maybe not
the time is not always perfect what they want to
talk about, you know, but they but then that's but
then most.

Speaker 1 (46:53):
Of the people are really it's cool. It's really cool,
and it's like and it was so we we're pretty
warmly welcomed. Alone.

Speaker 5 (47:00):
When we were off to start that show, I thought
that we're going to get shipped everywhere from everyone.

Speaker 1 (47:04):
I mean, I was just so prepared for that. But
it just maybe once the whole time we did that
dry and actually having a commisation. It's funny I remember
that conversation, yeah, talking about because I think there was
the idea of touring bands in the in the early
nineties off the TV. You know, drunk people, you know,
drunk people and bars and stuff would be problematic in
those days.

Speaker 4 (47:23):
It's not so much like that anymore. But you know,
you talk about Australian bands and I was talking to
John Stevens about this and he said that you had
to fight because there would be guys that would chuck
glasses at you. You'd been in part some part in
the back of Australia somewhere and you get in a
fight and that's just the way, and you had to
learn to defend yourself because that was just the way.

Speaker 1 (47:43):
It goes so tired. If you buck somebody at a
bar in the in the pre nineties and.

Speaker 4 (47:48):
No social media, nobody knew how to take photos there.
There was the selfie hadn't been invented that stage. There
was no such thing as a selfie. So you'd sign
autographs for people and things like that. And if you
do turn up to a town because people had just
had mobile phones, people would say, oh, you know, Mike
EVECN and newsboy are in town, and next thing you know, there'd.

Speaker 1 (48:10):
Be some kind of was amazing. It was everywhere because
it was an event. It was something that actually had.

Speaker 2 (48:16):
Yeah, sorry to interrupt, but it's massh here. So we're
just going to have to take a quick break. If
that's okay, hold the line and we'll be right back.

Speaker 5 (48:24):
But so let's shoul we should we steer back and
we're let's say that let's say that we've arrived at
Lantat Castle.

Speaker 1 (48:32):
Laugh but let'sten laughing. I'm a great time to avans
and and you know, and and also quite sort of
astounded that this this love young lady had wanted to
come to Lark Castle and those. But now we're here,
you know, we're all the way here. Now this is

(48:53):
like I'm just trying to wonder maybe I didn't tell
her where we were staying or something like that. Maybe
I sort of just say, no, it won't belong with
we almost there, so you put you put up past
the ballroom, but the stables at the accommodation is the
bare rooms is not accommodation. The bare rooms there, and
then accommodations is sort of around the corner, around the
corner around So if you're facing the steps the stables

(49:15):
to the left, the whole it looks north.

Speaker 5 (49:18):
Lanton Castle was supposed to be a mixture of those
big grand you know, the Australian sort of with the deck,
you know, look in the old sort of colonial Australia
and in a castle, and it's and it pretty much does,
but lives an old gorsey cold but yes, but behind
it there were stables which in the old days, the

(49:40):
stables were of course used for horses, Yes, that's right, yeah, yeah,
and and the comings and going to of courses they
turned into a combination, turned into accommodations.

Speaker 1 (49:53):
That's where it gets interesting. So, Jeremy, where were you
staying in terms of the geography of the stable? If
you could just paint a picture of the that's a
good question. Have you've seen a stable and you know
how set up? Yeah, I used to live a barber
stable the other the other. Yeah, that's just you know, yeah,
separated by that, that's what I mean. So I'm like it,
so like how we how we lined up along the walls?

(50:15):
Are you are you closest to the wall? Are you
closest to the sort of Larnox castle or you further
down down towards the Lance castle in Yeah.

Speaker 5 (50:23):
Yeah, but it definitely wasn't the last room of the
red there's a couple of rooms and people work from
our outside, our group for.

Speaker 1 (50:32):
Families and stuff families. Yeah, that kind of thing. A
different stable. Visitors to the Needhood for a high end
experience and they want to experience the whole thing. They
want to experience the castle, you know, the remance of
staying in New Zealand's argument in New Zealand's Only Castle,
waking up, waking up in the morning, refreshed and seeing
that beautiful, beautiful, and.

Speaker 4 (50:52):
That's beautiful looking refurbished. The stables had been refurbished. There
was a newish carpet, but there were communal showers and
bar rooms that were in the middle part of the section.
But at the time, to be fear to us, we'd
arrived late at night. I mean I'm talking three in
the morning maybe something like that. It was maybe two something,
it was.

Speaker 1 (51:10):
It was late, and we nailed down the time.

Speaker 5 (51:12):
So like I don't think we nail it down, but
I think that there was definitely past midnight, Okay, and
it was.

Speaker 1 (51:17):
It was in the wee small l was in the
small lan and nothing stupid. The sun wasn't going up.
There's still quite about the evening left, Yeah, there was.

Speaker 4 (51:25):
And but to be fear to us at that point
when we arrived back in the communicato that I think
it was a communicator being the highest we hadn't really
seen the other guests, yes, because we arrived later when
everybody else had gone.

Speaker 1 (51:37):
I don't even know where whether we had even acknowledged
the fact that we were the guests. Sometimes when you've
had a big night, you're your awareness of other people,
your space, ship awareness you you know, it's all about you,
about yourself.

Speaker 4 (51:50):
So I turned on at that point because I thought, right,
I've had enough. I may have I may have passed out. Anyway,
we all turned on. We all went down to our accommodation.

Speaker 5 (51:59):
Let me just say that before we turned in, before
we even got up the stairs, and this my new friend,
yes uh and and I had we were laughing very
boutuously about the fact of how this has all ended
up and how this was okay, well, okay, we'll hire
Mike anyway.

Speaker 1 (52:19):
And and we we had begun canoodling on the steps
of Lana's castle, or we bet we bet around the
romantic grounds or is it straight into the states cold
it's it's it's a polar temperature around there, Jesus.

Speaker 5 (52:35):
And and this was sort of as I think, as
some of as Jermy said, the end of a wonderful
night that well, what a great time time to retire.
And I think as they were retiring, I think I
think maybe we tried to sneak into the ballroom where
we tried to do a bit of a sort of
a just kind of come out, have a look at this,
and sort of thought better of it.

Speaker 1 (52:56):
We're going to get caught or it was all locked up.
Memory says that was that we can to get in.

Speaker 5 (53:01):
Okay, I was room and then yeah, and so by
this stage, of course we were passion and and uh,
you know, and that's and that's you know how the
heart racist things like that happened. And of course you've
had a few and and exciting expected events, so this also,

(53:23):
you know, you can't discount the fact of where we were.
It was, oh my god, just it's you know how
many other people have shared that, the opportunity to to
take in the history and the yeah, the beauty of
Atlantic Castle. Let's move the same time as a passion apparent.

Speaker 1 (53:44):
Yeah, yeah, so now you move to this your stable,
your your allocated stable in the stables, your allocated area
right and and next to another, next to another, separated
by walls. And so I moved the story out of
the Gerremy. At what point did you become aware that
Mikey and the lovely Lady were engaged? And I'm not

(54:05):
sure how to put it, coit it. I became very
clear in the van. We became very clear in the
van on the way over there that you do you
want to have I skipped a hit of the story. Okay,
so I became I just we're definitely, we're definitely what's
you know? Basically? Yeah.

Speaker 5 (54:23):
Soon as soon as we turned the key, yeah, I
was quite I think it was quite clear that we
mutually consented and and we were we were really we
really got excited.

Speaker 1 (54:35):
Yeah, and how good back in the day with keys. Oh,
it's great to have your key to your room instead
of the bloody swiper. Yes, I knew a couple of things.
I knew that when you know, this young lady was
sitting on your knee and the and the van on
the way over, I thought, well, I.

Speaker 4 (54:48):
Think I see where this may may go. And it
seemed like both of them were enjoying the presumptions.

Speaker 1 (54:55):
Where it's going to go. Yeah, and look there was
twenty twenty review. Well, it was two young people that
you didn't think to sort of say, hey, can I
talk to you for a second night.

Speaker 4 (55:05):
I was two young people you would have been sort
of in your late twenties, and and a man you
know who it was would enjoy the physicality of another
human exactly, And you know, and why wouldn't you at
that age? And and so I certainly no problem from

(55:25):
my perspective. We all retire, I do, and I love
to be adored. Yeah, yeah, and good on you. You've
got to sample the joys of life. And then I
went off in my direction, you went off in another direction.
And then you know, as you do from my perspective,
at that time, I lay my head down and then
quietly sort of drifted off into a drunk comer.

Speaker 1 (55:46):
And at some point in the night that you became
aware of the activities and another store.

Speaker 4 (55:51):
Well, let's just say at certain times I was awoken
by some sounds that were going around me, and at
first I was I wondered what those sounds were. Some
of me thought that maybe there was a haunting, because
there was rumors of a haunting. That it was a castle,
and it was quite a quite a loud noise. It
was certainly obvious, but a joyous noise.

Speaker 1 (56:12):
So if it was a ghost, it was it was.

Speaker 4 (56:14):
It was a it was a happy ghost, very enthusiastic,
I say, particularly enthusiastic.

Speaker 1 (56:21):
And the walls were very thin, and.

Speaker 5 (56:23):
It's also not often too an unexpected coupling like that's
that's you find someone of maybe I'm wrong, but you
know it's it's let's just say, it's exciting when you
find someone with this with a similar approach and zest
and come and thrust.

Speaker 4 (56:46):
I could hear that it was a very let's just say,
the wall was almost makeshift in that particular area.

Speaker 1 (56:53):
It was very, very thin.

Speaker 4 (56:54):
I don't believe there's any baffling between between the stables.
I don't think there was any insulation between the stables.
There may not even have been that type of insulation
in those days. So anyway, I was woken a couple
of times and and my memory, my memory of it
is that I was working it different and I remember

(57:15):
looking at the time one sage and thinking, oh geez, okay,
I vaguely remember for something in the fours.

Speaker 1 (57:22):
And then and that was the last of my memories.
And then of course we were woken up. How would
you because you've described this as a there's a word
you've used to describe. Well, look, you described it as
a pounding, Well there was there was eaves used to that.
There was a pounding going on in the other room.

(57:42):
It was certainly some vigorous activity, not wrong, but let's
say it, but it's not the word. I mean, well,
like we were on both sides. It's not a blacksmith. No,
we're not saying it was a work bench. We're not
saying that you were going about it and a sort
of a robotic, sort of mechanical fashion far from far.

Speaker 5 (58:03):
And let's just say that. Uh so I was well
aware of that those wars with things. Yeah, and I
didn't even funck. I just really didn't care about that
at all. And I noticed she didn't. And we were
having the time of our lives and to the point
where we were we were reminded that maybe in the

(58:26):
fours it's just some summer not jeering me. Another another
person that was another guest, reminded you of, well there
was a shut.

Speaker 1 (58:33):
Up, just stop it.

Speaker 5 (58:36):
And and then so we're just like no history was
being made, and and we like we just laughed it
off and and actually it actually just moved it up again,
to be honest, and and then and then it was
just like.

Speaker 1 (58:52):
Just big and all I remember it is just yelling
fu just like just like just like terrible, like what
did overcome me, like like Amir, at that stage, this
is the thing that either attitude and just traveling over
the flower, you're in the throngs of passion. I understand that.

(59:15):
And then but I think there was a moment in
the next morning when everybody emerves it's it's like the
second or third time somebody's banged.

Speaker 5 (59:27):
And then yeah, of course my friends and colleagues were
obviously being affected by it as well, but but they
my friends and colleagues are to shut up.

Speaker 1 (59:38):
Maybe you have a word afterwards, And like I mean,
Jeremy was sort of not in a dissimilar mind set,
you know, in terms of having been on the journey
throughout the night, in terms of consumption and you know party.
No one's saying he was listening to masturbating, and it's
I've never thought of people have hold on when is

(59:59):
that's speculate. There's never been any circulation. You told you
told me you want to talk disclosure, and so they've
said it. So there has been a suggestion over the
years that you were joining them. Let me be clear,
that's the time I suggested. Look, I think it's important
that I suggested it.

Speaker 4 (01:00:17):
Now Categorically, I can I can tell you now I
was not, and I just came in and out of
consciousness during moments. And then I came in and out
of consciousness certain moments enough time to look at my time,
look at my watch, and I thought, jeez, that's been
going on for some time.

Speaker 1 (01:00:33):
That is what I thought.

Speaker 4 (01:00:34):
But then the next morning that the bit that I
remember is then there must have been some sleep, because
things did quiet and down at some stage, but it
was a very small amount of state. Right, There was
no sleep right, And the next morning there was a
communal breakfast down in the in the bottom area of
the stables, which is held underneath, and it's quite a
fancy breakfast, like it's really really nice. It's a silver

(01:00:56):
service almost.

Speaker 1 (01:00:57):
So at this stage your mental state change is a
little bit in the morning that when the sun comes up,
you're bravado of the night before.

Speaker 5 (01:01:04):
They left Vado. Still, this is where Nus and the
discretion both coming to play. And tafta in the morning
is a very different thing to tafta at night. And
and so it's gonna you know, you know, you can't
just slip quietly through the other holiday makers.

Speaker 1 (01:01:26):
And so you went to the fancy breakfast with the
other people picking up.

Speaker 4 (01:01:32):
Remember that, So we're all down, We're down there at
the breakfast. I've gone down. I think there's been a
text that's gone through to Mike at that stage, because
I remember emerging for brieferst and the whole crew were
there and they looked fresh. Some of them looked fresh,
so them hadn't been to the after party, but Tarks had,
but I think he was a driver, so he was
also reasonably fresh.

Speaker 1 (01:01:53):
I was feeling Oh, I was feeling rough for.

Speaker 5 (01:01:57):
That had a few years, you know, you had good
years though that young then, so yeah, bounce back pretty
cool mentally.

Speaker 4 (01:02:03):
Not yeah, I would have been my twenty two. So
you do you do bounce back in that situation. You
take anything on board. At twenty two, everything's normal. So
I was down there and then I just as I emerged,
I remember glances from mainly from a large group that
involved maybe two families with children, and they.

Speaker 5 (01:02:23):
Were over it, not like not like toddlers, but like
with teenage children. They were just younger than teens.

Speaker 1 (01:02:30):
Yeah, yeah, early early. Secondly, I'll admit to having a
sense of.

Speaker 4 (01:02:37):
What yeah, and then and then so and then there
were just looks. There were a lot of looks, and
it was a very quiet breakfast. Put it that way,
and things had calmed down from the night.

Speaker 1 (01:02:47):
Well, you remember what was on the merror. I remember.
I just remember actually now that that this is opening
a few triggering a few doors. I remember that.

Speaker 5 (01:02:57):
It's one of the yelling out situations. Was you're ruining
our holiday? I remember that. Yeah, that might have been.

Speaker 1 (01:03:03):
So was that was it a was it a continental
breakfast or was it a beautiful breakfast? I got to
say so. Then we went through the break.

Speaker 5 (01:03:15):
They're expecting you to have gone to retire quite early. Yeah, yeah,
I think they were even TVs in the stores were Yeah,
they hardie breakfast to get on on with your day?
Was it is a bit of a joke for was
there Portabellot mushrooms problem? I had to say there was
a because of course you go along Portabello Road and
you're not far from Port bellow I love that. I

(01:03:37):
remember it was really good and then and then.

Speaker 4 (01:03:40):
There was pressure on us at that point to get
on the road because we had some TV to make
and we had to get a point I just like
poured slope point down in the south and the southernmost
point of New Zealand, and that we were up against
the clock because I think when we arrived there we
had to do some filming or something. So I remember
our director Dave was all right, and he was always
a bit loath to sort of move us on and
keep us moving because he's a lovely man. Lovely man

(01:04:02):
didn't want any conflict, and so he'd be like, I
think we need to kind of get things creaking. So
next time, I think we didn't remember why we're on
this situation. It was a Saturday night though, I think
that's the thing. So we were were pleased to work
through the weekends. In those days, we do fourteen days
one month of the time. Yeah, yeah, it was quite intense.
It was intense. So then we were okay, we've got

(01:04:23):
they've got this young lady who's come back here and
she's obviously far a long way away from home. So
there was discussion at that point how we're going to
get and then we said, well, she's got to come
back with us because we're going back into town on
our way through. So at that point she's still in
an evening where.

Speaker 1 (01:04:38):
And you can't remember whether it was a Falcon or
a high Hi.

Speaker 4 (01:04:42):
No, at that point she hopped into the she hopped
into the Communicato vent.

Speaker 1 (01:04:47):
Do you remember the sideways or was it?

Speaker 2 (01:04:49):
No?

Speaker 1 (01:04:50):
I think we think of got this wrong. But and
then I think we and I'm not saying that this
was a good idea, but I think I was driving. No,
I believe that I was driving, but by that stage
was sober as I remember, like it wasn't was this
because it was one tour that you guys went on
where the the Falcon was a big part of the

(01:05:10):
car in terms of something of sponsorship. Was I think
this was? This was a Ford X six.

Speaker 5 (01:05:18):
If memory suits me, quickly I dropped her home, Okay,
but I was the decision was made. You gotta if
you're going to do it, you have to go now. Yeah,
are you capable? Yeah, I'm capable of But it was
I was certainly not drunk anymore. No, from that bottle
of bean big passed around the party. Yeah, so so

(01:05:38):
and that was and then that was really that was
That was the And then I drive all the way
down the hill drop this wonderful, magical young lady. Yeah,
and and you know, shame caught up afterwards but what
an amazing like romantic, magical night and and the night
before history was made? Not so much and they're not

(01:05:59):
so much. Lant castle also not didn't like it because
these people complain very very fastigious.

Speaker 1 (01:06:07):
Just yeah, they weren't havy. Well guess I guess it's
it's the expectation gap, isn't it. You You've imagined you
can stay this this castle, and and it's going to
be so romantic, and you've and you've gone, oh, look,
we could stay anywhere in need, but we'll stay out Atlanta.
And then there's what's we described as a pounding, And
then there's newsboy in the other rooms finishing himself off.

(01:06:28):
Will he listens? Look, I mean half truth, that is
a half truth. Do you know what? Do you know
what they're like? What what I've learned today in this
Royal inquiry into the I feel I know that I
feel so I feel like I wake off my shoulder,
I feel I'm I feel fond memories. Yeah, a little

(01:06:53):
bit of shaming guild, maybe a little bits a little bit.
I wouldn't feel any I don't think you. Look. The
only thing I was I was gentlemanly the whole time.
And a very gentlemanly way.

Speaker 4 (01:07:07):
But you were and not the only The only people
that you could say that could have a problem with
what happened.

Speaker 1 (01:07:12):
Are the guests that were sitting on the other side
of that wall for three or four or five hours.
Just yeah, just shaking their heads. Just really a victimless.
It's a victimless. I don't I don't think there's a crime, right,
that's the shaming girls. I think I feel I feel
like I ruined the holiday and well and I don't
like that yelled what do you Where do you go
to learn it's castle? Do you go to learn a castle?
Will be part of history? And they were part of history,

(01:07:34):
being privy to what's been described as a beautiful pounding.

Speaker 6 (01:07:39):
And I mean I'd like to most kids now they're
in their mid thirties and and you know, maybe if
they if they were to reach out, I'd like to
talk to them about it. I like to see what
their thoughts were on it now and how they've changed
and changed and how it changed their life.

Speaker 1 (01:07:56):
But as we finished this Royal inquiry, I just want
to say, I'm apart from a few little details here
and there, what kind of vehicle it was whether there
was entertainment halftime involving a guy in a cult singing
the Intaga Highlanders song. There isn't a lot that you guys.
I mean, the story that you've told Jerry is quite
close to to be. It's been corroborated quite well. So

(01:08:17):
it sounds quite surprised by that. Matt Well, I don't
know because the details that mean, there's a lot of detailing.

Speaker 4 (01:08:24):
There's a lot of details. Get those details right over
a twenty over a twenty period, I.

Speaker 1 (01:08:30):
Mean, and how I mean like if this had been
a crime, you wouldn't get two witnesses that would be
that much on the same page, you know what I mean?
Over the time? I mean, was it was it a
red fod falcon or a communicato hias is really the
only major point of difference, right.

Speaker 4 (01:08:46):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, No, I mean I remember it being
quite a magical time. That's the party having a great
outlook over the water.

Speaker 5 (01:08:56):
Do you remember that that big sort of in the
lounges as the window which you're sort of darting but
no one's darting around, and maybe a disco ball in
some fancy lights.

Speaker 1 (01:09:05):
See.

Speaker 4 (01:09:05):
I can't the bit that I can't give my head
around is how long we were at that after party four,
because it felt like we're only for twenty minutes, that
must have been there for a lot longer.

Speaker 1 (01:09:13):
That could very much be the thank you guys went
somewhere else before there? No, it didn't. We didn't know.
You didn't know, right, did the did the did the
ceremony go late? Was there a bit of an hour?
Was there a bit of a do after it at
the venue to finish at ten thirty eleven at the Cosmpolitan? Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:09:28):
Yeah, I don't recall going anywhere afterwards, So what did
we do? Maybe No, I just think we there before
we were because miscounties in the rats and none destroying men.

Speaker 1 (01:09:40):
So I guess there was another little piece where you
guys differ in your memory, as Jerry has been claiming
that you guys were judging the pageant, which I always
thought was interesting because I thought you and I've actually
asked you about this, Yerio, did you have any particular
skills in judging a pageant? And now it does seem
ridiculous that you would have. We've been handed that's too

(01:10:00):
on the mic, because we knew that we had these
mics on and so we'd be going like this ongoing
because they're recording everything. Even though we were just sitting
there drinking. We were guests of honor. That that's what
I vaguely remember being there as a guest something and
very very grateful for that too. It's just a hell
of a it's a hell of a humbling thing to
something like that. Hey, look, thank you, so thanks so much, Mike.

(01:10:24):
Thanks for coming in my pleasure. And you know what,
that's clarity at the stage. This is fantastic. This is
now on record. It's great to have it on good
and as a resource, as a resource, you know, and
for all music. We'll get this microfish at at the library. Yeah,
that's now in the official record.

Speaker 5 (01:10:44):
I was, I was, I was worried that I'd feel
a little you know, this is a bringing out some
some tales that prep in.

Speaker 1 (01:10:51):
The top judgment. And like I said, we were both
into it. Yeah, it definitely sounds like you're both into it.
They are to it. Kids nowadays is into it. I
don't think so, they are into it. There might be
some people might not ever have released I think a
lot of New Zealanders may never have reached that level

(01:11:13):
of into it in their entire life, that levels of passion.
And I'm very like so many things have happened on
make you know, our experiences to get the gremy know,
especially in the South Island, especially in the cold. Yeah
yeah and Gorcy old Yeah yeah. But you're a man
that's in touch with Mike. You're a man that's in
touch with your with your soulity and in a very

(01:11:35):
comfortable way. And and I've always thought that about you
ever since I first met you, and that thank you,
thank you, And that's that's what you want to be.
That's what you want to be.

Speaker 5 (01:11:44):
So if you can make memories and you can explore
your sexuality, and you can and you can meet New
Zealanders what in romantic locations and remember that you did it?

Speaker 1 (01:11:54):
What do you want? I think that's I think that's
that's a dream contrue. I think that's a lesson for everyone.
And what access this Royal Inquiry has been. Yeah, thanks all,
thank you very much and thank you for inquiring. Hello,
I'm Matt Heath. You have been listening to the Matt
and Jerry Daily Bespoke podcast Right now you can listen
to our Radio Highlights podcast which you will absolutely get

(01:12:15):
barred up about anyway set to download, like, subscribe, write, review,
all those great things. It really helps myself and Jerry
and to a lesser extent, Mass and Ruder. If you
want to discuss anything raised in this pod, check out
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while I'm plugging stuff, my book, A Lifeless Punishing Thirteen
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(01:12:37):
the bastard. Anyway you seem busy, I'll let you go.
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