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October 2, 2024 • 30 mins

As the end of an era draws near, Matt and Jerry railroad former All Black captain Kieran Read into a session of "Code Chat" that would make Murray Deaker proud!

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello, are you great New Zealanders. Matt Heath here. This
is my last week on this podcast.

Speaker 2 (00:04):
Sadly, but if you're not sick of me and you
want more of my weekly content, you can follow my
weekly substack mailout article at Matdheath dot substack dot com.
This week I discussed fighting fomo after my friends betrayed
me and went to Germany without me. You, Jerry g Laying,
Joseph and Meniah, I love.

Speaker 1 (00:23):
You, but you hurt me anyway.

Speaker 3 (00:25):
You seem busy, I'll let you go to Matt Heeath
dot substack dot com.

Speaker 4 (00:28):
Bless bless, blessed boys. Apparently Ruder's recording the podcast. If
you want to stick here, stick here.

Speaker 1 (00:34):
We're ready to do. We want to try and run?
Do we want to run the oh year. Let's get busy,
let's do it all right? Were recording, Ruda? We are recording.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
Okay, we've got Kiaren reading associations with Walthbritt. Well that's
as well.

Speaker 1 (00:48):
Sure do we k he's getting his name changed?

Speaker 4 (00:58):
I had that drum roll, Rud of this guy.

Speaker 1 (01:15):
Game boses.

Speaker 2 (01:20):
Nobody's It is the third of October. Welcome all you
bespokey dokies to the second to last. Well, I guess
Spoke podcast will continue without me. What are you gonna
still call it that? I think, I asked the sister.
I can't remember what the answer was.

Speaker 1 (01:40):
Yuh, good question. No, I think that we haven't sort
of worked out the naming is of things. I think
what we are thinking is that maybe we need to
work out what the actual radio show is called, but
probably called the Hidarky Breakfast.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
This w has become the Hedary Breakfast podcast. Yeah, I
suppose it is going to change it take my picture
of it?

Speaker 4 (01:57):
Well, should we ask Karen Readen association with Wolfbrook what
he thinks is here? And read and associated? We welcome
to the Daily but Spoke on the third of October.
Thank you fellas. Nice to be here.

Speaker 5 (02:05):
Look, I think how to Breakfast runs off the tongue
Jerry Show.

Speaker 1 (02:12):
Show. It's just going to turn people off. Like seriously,
I don't even want to turn up myself to the
show with Mash and association. Yeah, am I coming back?
And Jerry?

Speaker 5 (02:24):
So many the questions are out there, you know that
what is it? And I'm not technically on the conclave,
but I go over it to my head you know,
those questions are huge, man, like where's this and going?
And obviously you're waiting for the big announcement. When I
pay Matt has showing respect to just tramp all over
his body as he's kind of getting chucked out the door.

Speaker 1 (02:45):
Sounds I feel like this is a this is a
nice little trot over the top of the body.

Speaker 2 (02:51):
The whole show today felt like I was been trampled
over and thrown out and disregarded before it was even over.

Speaker 1 (02:57):
Soaking in the spar Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:59):
Actually was good wine, but dehydrated, I know.

Speaker 1 (03:03):
Yeah, So I mean in terms of this podcast, I
mean the podcast continues on.

Speaker 2 (03:08):
Obviously, people leave workplaces and they take the classwords.

Speaker 5 (03:14):
Oh yeah, and thence what someone who's listened to the
podcast from for a long time, right yeah, right from
when it started, like there'd be the ideal for a
fan would be it carries on and I don't know
how that could work, but you'd have to go out
on your own, right and that that's Edmund and there's
no way putting a network.

Speaker 2 (03:36):
When I was negotiating with the new talks of the
I said, well, but there should be a way.

Speaker 5 (03:39):
For that to happen, right I think that's for me
in my head, that would be the ideal scenario.

Speaker 1 (03:46):
What about that?

Speaker 2 (03:47):
For me, it's like we'll meet again, don't know where,
I don't know when something like that. Maybe down in
the future something will happen.

Speaker 1 (03:56):
What about where we sort of program What about before
you leave? This would be great? Tomorrow We're going to
do a final Matt and Jury show, and then afterwards,
because there's nothing better than doing a full radio show
and then doing a podcast and then getting punished for
Edmond afterwards like extra recordings. And I think maybe afterwards
we just sit you down for a good solid two
hours and use just say lots of things, and then

(04:17):
we hope that maybe like crogenic frotally frozen. Maybe we
hope that in one day in the future, there's an
AI model that can somehow put your words together. So
you say as many you say all the letters of
the alphabet, you say all the vowels, you say lots
of your catchphrases.

Speaker 2 (04:32):
Can I cut addam middleman here?

Speaker 1 (04:33):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (04:34):
We just can you not just use the two and
a half thousand podcasts.

Speaker 1 (04:40):
Through the A Is there any way that we can
have an AI version of you?

Speaker 2 (04:45):
I mean I kind of do the same things over
and over.

Speaker 1 (04:47):
Gave away exactly, just push a button and then you
say downstairs and out you say something. Yeah, Jerry, you
cover you do you do some edmin We go back
and forth of bit, I say something lude and then
we go to a song. Yeah, some philosophy, you can
read some read some nation philosophy. Surely there's a day
that we can do that. That way we can we
can continue it on.

Speaker 2 (05:05):
Yeah no, but I did ask it, but if I
can continue doing the Day This Spoke podcast?

Speaker 4 (05:09):
And they said no, you know, I suppose jokes aside, Karen,
it's quite nice to you.

Speaker 1 (05:13):
So they thought that's that was it was an element. No, No,
the questions have been asked, of course, which kind of
make sense because I'm doing another show.

Speaker 2 (05:20):
But I thought it'd be quite good to just come
down to the po. In the perfect world and broadcasting,
we'd only do this. Oh yeah, my perfect broadcasting job
would only be doing the daily Bespoke podcast.

Speaker 1 (05:30):
Imagine that. Imagine if that was your life. You just
did that. Enough money, but you can just get people
do it though?

Speaker 2 (05:35):
People do?

Speaker 4 (05:36):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, Karen, if you could reach out
to Wolfbrook, maybe perhaps on behalf. Maybe we could just
do this every day. I mean I'd move down to
Croshetch for that. Yeah, so maybe four of us there's
something to think about at least.

Speaker 1 (05:48):
Yeah, maybe the wolfbrook podcast, Yeah, exactly. Maybe just because
if you just Wolfbrok, if you just stay in an
association with Wolfbrop and then you just give us some
backhanders off the back of it, I'm sure we'll all
be fine, We'll all happily ever after. That'd be good.

Speaker 2 (06:04):
I'd love that.

Speaker 1 (06:05):
That'd be right on board with that.

Speaker 2 (06:06):
We just call the podcast an association.

Speaker 1 (06:10):
It's a podcast an association with.

Speaker 5 (06:13):
Get it done, find it, you know, like you could
find a way, right.

Speaker 2 (06:16):
But I mentioned if there was a bill if there's
if there was a billionaire that just happened to like
our pot, you know, like Elon Musk brought Twitter because
he was a big fan of it. Just find out
one day Graham Heart comes up and that he sends
submissage through Well, it's like, what's his name? Jeff Bezos
really liked Lord of the Rings and the Expanse, and
so he just went make them and speak billions of

(06:38):
dollars because he was a fan right, where's that billionaire?

Speaker 1 (06:40):
I think there is there. They run the platform. What's that?
They run the platform? Oh? The platform? Yeah, oh yeah,
the platform. That's essentially that. That's essentially the same thing,
isn't it.

Speaker 2 (06:51):
Yeah, But there's not an arising tide of people that
want to pay a lot of money for people to
talk absolute shit.

Speaker 1 (06:57):
You mean the platform? What are you doing? What you mean?
It's that person's ship is another person.

Speaker 2 (07:07):
And I've got hundreds and hundreds of messages from people
that have been thanking us and me for the the
content of our Daily Bespoken said it's helped them a lot,
and we must have slapped some smart stuff in this.

Speaker 1 (07:21):
Well. The funniest thing is that the way that it
actually started the podcast was I remember we would start
every podcast we're not actually going to do this. That
was how it would start.

Speaker 2 (07:31):
Being really sit to me to the other day. It's
like it's a very successful podcast because it's it's one
of the biggest in the country, and he was being
heally was saying to me yesterday and one of the
main guys didn't want.

Speaker 1 (07:41):
To do it for the first start.

Speaker 2 (07:43):
Everyone with Well, there was the thing because I was like,
I had this great idea, hate Jerry, we'll stay after
the show and we'll record another pod, and you were like,
terrible idea.

Speaker 1 (07:52):
Yeah, why would I do that? Why would you want
to do that? Yeah, nobody doesn't seem to be in
our contract. Nobody's paying us to do this thing, or
paid us and more to do it.

Speaker 5 (08:01):
That's probably why it became as big as great as
what it was, right because literally it was you're not
wanting to be there with it, punishing us with some
kind of random chat. But it was as low brow
and it's kind of you know, like standard chat that
you could have, which was the best thing ever to
listen to someone.

Speaker 1 (08:22):
For someone to not like, no one starts a podcast
it doesn't want to be. It's perfect if you can
start a podcast that you don't want to do. They
were like, right, five minutes, I used to say, we're
not going to do this, and then you show, now,
come on, we're going to do it. I'll be like,
And then the interesting thing was I genuinely didn't want
to do it. And then by about three minutes, and

(08:45):
I've forgotten the fact that I didn't want to do it.
I was I was genuinely enjoying the chat. I was like, oh,
this is a good chat. You used to call it
the rubdown before we got on. Here you go, you
actually when you started enjoying it. Actually, it's like a
Postmas right now?

Speaker 6 (08:58):
Can I just say that sounds like what happens in
the Ruder bedroom situation. It starts with me being like,
let's do this, and she's like, ah, do we really
have to? And then after a few minutes she kind
of starts getting into it.

Speaker 1 (09:12):
Are you sure? She starts getting yeah.

Speaker 6 (09:13):
One hundred percent. And she's told me that before. She's like, generally,
I'm not massively into it when you start pisting me.
But then part way through, I'm like, no, this is
all right.

Speaker 4 (09:21):
Oh i'd cut back on the pistoring if I was
you Ruder. I can't cut back. I think I can't
back on the pistoring. I think maybe you can just
maybe have a conversation about it. I think you can
move forward and then maybe see how she feels. And
I think maybe from the top there that that would
be nice, maybe even her and I maybe even good advice.
I think pistoring is the might be the reason why

(09:41):
she's not so keen at the top of the act.
I think, I think, really just something for you to
try anyway, I'm going to throw that out there.

Speaker 1 (09:47):
The parts of my life.

Speaker 2 (09:50):
I think if you just maybe what you do is
you shave your whole body, okay, and you just walk
past her in the nude and and but then go
and get.

Speaker 6 (10:00):
She ignores me now when I'm leave the house. She
ignores me now when I'm nude, because she knows what
I'm trying to do.

Speaker 4 (10:05):
Well, I can see why, mate, because you're just pisting.

Speaker 1 (10:06):
Well, you've got a rager. Mate, you're standing there with.

Speaker 6 (10:09):
A rage not all the time, that's unfair.

Speaker 2 (10:12):
The man with the rag man has the poker face,
don't they like they have accused me. There's this is
I don't know if you don't know this, but there's
a real tell old man's keen. Yeah, the woman can,
but they can see it.

Speaker 1 (10:23):
It's funny, isn't it. It's not in the face tells
it's something else. But mate, if you're standing there rudor
with it's all shaved down, nude, standing at the end
of the bed with your hands on your hips, legs, legs,
astride and with a rager, yeah, licking your.

Speaker 2 (10:38):
Lips movie The break Up with Jennifer Andison and Vince Vaughan.
It's a great movie, but I was thinking, that's the
difference between men and woman as she tries to make
him jealous by walking past completely nude from her room
to the shower, and she looks hot, she looks amazing,
But that doesn't that's not the power that well, certainly
not a power I hold.

Speaker 1 (10:58):
Be walking from the show. I mean, ruder you if
you try just sort of maybe just holding off for
you know, a couple of weeks, maybe three or four weeks, And.

Speaker 6 (11:08):
Excuse me, do you know how much the rest of
my life would suffer if we held off for a
couple of weeks.

Speaker 1 (11:13):
If you just tried just holding off for a couple
of weeks and just seeing what happens, well seeing maybe
just you know, sometimes it's like a cat ruder, you know,
if you if you're constantly a little kid and you're
always chasing the cat around the place, the cat will
always run away from you. When you sit down on
a couch and relax, the cat will come to you
and sit on your lap, and all of a sudden,
the cat will then let you.

Speaker 5 (11:32):
Absence makes the heart grow fonder and you're going to
treat it. We did it better than going away for
a few weeks.

Speaker 1 (11:40):
That's right. If you love something and let it go.
If you love something, let it free. So I hope
that helps it anyway it comes back.

Speaker 2 (11:47):
It was meat to be that's right.

Speaker 1 (11:49):
It doesn't help me at all. So how did we
get there there? Because we were talking about something before
the podcast. Jerry didn't really want to do it.

Speaker 4 (11:55):
Oh, Jerry didn't want to do it.

Speaker 1 (11:57):
The other option, ruder, is that you just lie in
bed beside your in a node and then just renset
your dignity and just and just keep ranting and then
just hope that maybe something American Beauty style get through
helping me out here.

Speaker 2 (12:11):
And Kevin Spacey and American beauty.

Speaker 1 (12:13):
It's not just so yourself pretty much. That was Monday.

Speaker 2 (12:16):
But what I would say is that that that is
actually you've cracked the code there jury because being too
keen to do is broadcasting and trying to be the
best broadcast you can possibly be is when you're the
worst broadcaster, there's there's this weird, unfortunate and uncrackable code
that you have to start to not care before you

(12:37):
can really deliver. And it's it's not that you don't care.
You love it and you do some work for it,
but you have to kind of let go of It's
like you can't force it. You can't, you can't, you
can't just I'm going to be the best.

Speaker 3 (12:52):
Broadcaster's going to be the best.

Speaker 2 (12:54):
We kind of got to start the podcast with one
of your co hosts going, I want.

Speaker 1 (12:57):
To do this.

Speaker 4 (12:59):
It's actually when you boys announced it the other day
that I think the first thing that we actually talked
about was the daily bespoke podcast if for being underscent, honest,
that was the thing that we're all going to miss
the most. And Jerry, I think you did say at
first year you had doing it and then by the
end of it's actually a bit of a therapy session
for you.

Speaker 1 (13:13):
You absolutely love it now, right, Yeah, yeah, I mean
even today, I just I was just hating every second
of this at the beginning, and now I'm absolutely I'm
loving it. I'm loving this, that's right. Yeah, I just
I get caught up in the moment. And actually there's
something in that too in terms of broadcasting, because ultimately

(13:33):
it's a moment and if you think about the moment
too much before it happens. Oftentimes, when the moment arises,
you just miss the timing of it just somehow because
you've overthought it. But weirdy enough, if you just let
it wash over you and then you react to it,
then you end up with a better result.

Speaker 5 (13:51):
Well, like you're preparing for a rugby game, right, all
becks game. If you analyze the heart out of it
all week, you turn up.

Speaker 1 (13:59):
There's so much things going right.

Speaker 5 (14:00):
It just there's a point you know, at some point
in that way you've got to let it go, say
I've got it in my head. I can know I'm
going to do this, and then it's just going out
there and expressing yourself. And the intuition part is such
a big part of performance at the top level of
I'm just hearing it right now, and at your level.
At the top and at your level, your.

Speaker 1 (14:20):
Level is the same, right, it's the same thing.

Speaker 5 (14:22):
You guys come out and nail it because you're not
as you say, you're not caring, but it's it's because
you've got this bank of experience and you reate stuff
that's in there that you know that will come out.
You trust yourself to be in that moment to nail
it right.

Speaker 2 (14:35):
Yeah, it's not that you don't care, it's that you're
not obsessing over it. The best thing is you've got
to you want to do it. When you're in the moment,
you have to care so much that you do whatever
it takes. And then you have to when you step
out of it as be able to see the big
pitchure and realize it's only such a small thing.

Speaker 5 (14:53):
So it's like it's like a yeah, when you're there,
you should care so much about this thing that you're doing,
and then but be able to step out of it
and go, oh, it's only a really small part of
my life. And it's hard to do to get that right.

Speaker 2 (15:06):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (15:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (15:08):
Did you before games like big Games, did you look
forward to them? You go, I'm looking forward to getting
out there at playing Yeah.

Speaker 1 (15:15):
Yeah, yeah through the week you did.

Speaker 5 (15:16):
Yeah, Big Games was the best thing ever.

Speaker 1 (15:20):
Yeah, because you knew it was a massive test. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (15:24):
You had to physically and mentally just work yourself up
throughout a week. Say game day was you know, it's
not that nice because your body is telling you things
that physically that you're about to go smash yourself and
so you know, you're all nervous and all that stuff.
But yeah, the build up was you always wanted one

(15:44):
of the big games.

Speaker 1 (15:45):
Did you have a breakdown why you were nervous? Did
you ever fit? Was it excitement or nerves? Well? Was
it fear for was it fear for injury? Nah?

Speaker 5 (15:54):
It's probably probably a touch in my career where it
was after I got a couple of knocks to the head.
But no, I think it was the excitement. But probably
the nerves came about through keeping your standards really high,
like you had such a high standard for myself to

(16:15):
be able to go out there and be the best
player in the field that you you know, it's hard
to do that, So it was probably just trying to
keep myself at that level. There was the nerves and
excitement January every game I was, I'd feel those butterflies
and not till you run out on the field, then
they kind of go.

Speaker 1 (16:32):
And was there ever a time when they listened or
did you think at that time this might be maybe
time for me to give up?

Speaker 2 (16:43):
They never?

Speaker 5 (16:44):
I think the only time my very last game for
the All Blacks, so which was a game that didn't
really matter.

Speaker 1 (16:50):
Third fourth game. You know what a horrible game. That
third fourth game.

Speaker 5 (16:54):
Is like, it's a shit game, right, and you've got
to come over all that. You know, where's week of
your life like after that semi final and horrible?

Speaker 1 (17:05):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (17:06):
Right, But then in the end, it's like, Okay, one
more chance to put on this jersey that means so
much to me, I said to you now. I text
him and said, look, just focus on what you can
through the week and all the other stuff will just
kind of flow. So I was like, Okay, I get
one more chances, a few of my great mates of
mine getting one more chance to pull this jersey on.
And I genuinely remember the bus ride, I remember the

(17:27):
changing room, the anthems, the hacker, Whereas every other test
match I don't remember any of that because I'm just
so focused on what you're going to do on the field.
Whereas that last one it was great. It was a
work Cup final, I wouldn't be in that state. But
this game here that kind of didn't really you know,
it wasn't a mean it means something, obviously, but didn't

(17:47):
really mean something in the big widest scheme of things.
I could actually enjoy it first time ever in my
test career. I could enjoy the whole playing the game
around it and just play the game like you're a
kid again. Yeah, a little bit, right, Like.

Speaker 4 (17:58):
Were you ever in a position where you fearing for
your position? You weren't.

Speaker 1 (18:01):
Were you even really?

Speaker 4 (18:02):
There was never that kind of situation where you're there.
It was a pressure of your leaving the squad.

Speaker 1 (18:07):
Was there? I was very Nah, So it was all
kind of Yeah.

Speaker 4 (18:11):
You kind of generated all that stuff yourself and your
own head and the standard you've set all yours.

Speaker 5 (18:15):
And stuff like that, right, yeah, yeah, you can't be
I don't think you can go to external right motivation.
You can't be contingent on the opposition being great for
you to be great, right, No, you have to turn
up and be at this level.

Speaker 1 (18:30):
And I don't know does it now? Do you now
look back and I mean you knew at the time obviously,
but do you now look back and go, yeah, that
was that twenty fifteen team was arguably actually the greatest
all Black team. Did you know that? At the time?

Speaker 5 (18:50):
We knew were fucking good? More games over those between
eleven and fifteen, four games.

Speaker 1 (18:57):
Right wow? And yeah we were.

Speaker 5 (19:01):
A great side and we knew each other really well.
You'd had that guys the next generation above me, like kV. Woody,
Martin Connor Smith, and then you're Rich and Dan and
you know, so you've got that Eraror and then you've
got me and Sam white Lock and Aarons, these generational players, right,
So we had nearly a full team of generational players

(19:25):
that were best in the world. So like, yeah, you're confident.

Speaker 1 (19:31):
Everything you did, it didn't mean like we.

Speaker 5 (19:33):
Pushed ourselves to the limit, and that was led by
like Steve Hanson and that to push out ourselves because
it's not you can't just we couldn't just rely on
ourselves to turn up and play. Yeah as well, but
you turned up if you've done the prep, Like we're like, no, no.

Speaker 1 (19:49):
One's going to touch us.

Speaker 5 (19:50):
Yeah, right, if we if we do the prep right
and we're mentally in the right space.

Speaker 1 (19:54):
Yeah. And it's interesting because watching the team at the moment.
The other great thing that you guys had that only
great teams have is that even if there were two
minutes to play and you were down, there was a
confidence inside you never panicked. There was a weird confidence
inside of yourselves that you knew if you just got
things right for the last two minutes, even if the
rest of the game had been a frustrating because oftentimes

(20:16):
teams will trying and frustrate you guys, and they do
annoying things, and I could always tell on a day
I was like, they were going to struggle today because
this team's doing particular things that are gonna slash slowing
the game down. They niggley, they're trying to do off
the ball stuff that's going to make the team lose focus.
But you guys, it was interesting that great team of

(20:36):
in the last two minutes, you always feel like you're
still there. That's a crazy belief that I don't know
if any team will ever have that again.

Speaker 2 (20:44):
No, I don't know.

Speaker 5 (20:46):
So Africa might be somewhere close to it at the
moment with their players. I think it's it's experience. It's
going through those those type of situations beforehand and then
just banking that on top of what you've been doing
and your preparation. Really, I think gets you to that
moment where it doesn't matter what situation we're faced, our

(21:09):
leaders are going to keep us in the right frame
of mind because you forget, like half that team went
through some ship man like three World Card Post seven,
some of the darkest days and all that Rugby right
to then come through. So you've got to go through
a bit of crap too to learn from it and
push through.

Speaker 2 (21:28):
So I think makes a great story that, like from
from a fans perspective, if it's if it's always but
you've got it, If it's like you realize now right,
and it's like the Crusader, The Crusaders are set up
for this. It's almost like if because Crusaders could keep
going and going, going, going, going and winning and winning,
but to to have it down will make the thing,

(21:51):
and especially if it takes a couple of seasons to
get back to the top, then that that next win
will be phenomenal because of the story from this is
from the outside inspective.

Speaker 5 (22:00):
You know, yeah, yeah, it's like anything as that, not Underdog.

Speaker 2 (22:03):
But it's like, yeah, where someone starts out awesome, continues
to be awesome and it's awesome at the end.

Speaker 1 (22:10):
It's not a movie.

Speaker 2 (22:11):
A person that starts out in a really horrible situation
in their life and they head learns a skill and
then tacks ass.

Speaker 1 (22:17):
That's the story. Yeah, I think as well. There's the
story as well that a lot of New Zealanders tell
themselves that the All Blacks are always the best team
in the world and other teams have lucky days against us.
That's not really the real story. If you've watched and
followed rugby all your life, you realize there have been
times when the All Blacks have definitely.

Speaker 2 (22:34):
Not been How good with the Australians in ninety nine,
two thousand, that.

Speaker 1 (22:39):
Era, that was a great Australian team. I'm watching those
games the other day. And also the Australian team of
the early nineties. That nineteen ninety one Australian team was
an exceptional team that won the World Cup. They had
some there was a little area there where Australia through
the nineties were a very very good site, great site,
and we had a good side, you know. I mean
we won a series with to South Africa that was

(22:59):
a great so that ninety six side, but still they
were there. Was those are great battles.

Speaker 6 (23:06):
Back in ninety eight, ninety nine, two thousand, we played
Australia eleven times and only one three they won eight.

Speaker 5 (23:13):
Yeah, yeah, I felt like that. I think my generation
came through. Remembers that that was the version you needed
when you play against them, because you remembered those all
those lost watching on TV as a kid was losses right,
Gregan knocking out, Jeffilson's the ball, Johnny was kicking the
goal to Ti. Kiff is going by the posts. John's
kicking the goal was a good one.

Speaker 1 (23:34):
I like stepping up and kicking. We used to get
out smarter than those days. We were out smarter and
we were out composured.

Speaker 2 (23:40):
Us was that it was so sa in two thousand
at the cake tin that it went four minutes over.

Speaker 1 (23:46):
Riff goes two minutes ago, it's still going.

Speaker 2 (23:48):
It's still going nearly.

Speaker 1 (23:49):
Five minutes later.

Speaker 2 (23:50):
They won.

Speaker 1 (23:51):
The one thing is minutes You like that though.

Speaker 5 (23:53):
Way the riff's got the he's got the whistle and
he dictates its no one else coming in and saying anything.

Speaker 1 (23:58):
Yeah, there's no one coming in on the heads.

Speaker 4 (24:00):
But there was a lot of players had a bit
of something, you know, there was there.

Speaker 1 (24:04):
Was randomness to it in those days. But there was
a lot of random randomness. You know, even watching the
game there's is people flying in from all sorts of
offside positions in those days, you just didn't know. You
just got people to the ball.

Speaker 2 (24:15):
Quite like I quite like the idea that if I
try the vibe of a try, now we go back
and we take the moment away from the try score
and away from the audience because it's just a it's
just a suggestion that it's a try, and then we
go into the full investigation back then whether the riff
got it wrong or not. You're kind of like, well
past the sniff test. That's kind of part of the game.

(24:36):
You know, it looked like it had because generally a
try is a try. There's a vibe that it's in
those days, they're slightly knocked on or something.

Speaker 1 (24:45):
Yeah, there didn't used to be as much camping on
on the line and pushing, pushing, pushing towards the goal.
That's a new thing. And then players to try and
land around the ball to try and block block the
held ups.

Speaker 5 (24:58):
Right, Yeah, it's and as I get on that line,
I'd just be like pick them up, bringing them over
the line and hold them up. Yeah, totally, I think
that's that's whey you should do it. So you pull
them back over the line, just trying to stop them
before the line I'd be like, just bring them with you.

Speaker 1 (25:12):
You get numbers and lift people up. Yeah, yeah, totally.
Should we take a break and come back, Yeah, prety much.
Jeremy's enjoying this podcast. Now, welcome, Welcome back to.

Speaker 5 (25:28):
Code Code. Come in here. Trying to talk about something
else straight. That's what we did to Karen last night.
He sat down and you want to be and the parish. Sorry, Karen,
I don't generally punish them, but we just got to hit.

Speaker 1 (25:48):
You can't get away. You've got nowhere to go.

Speaker 4 (25:50):
We do have to get your flight serious. Yeah, so
we should we should wrap this up, Karen from wolf
brook We're an association with wolf Broke.

Speaker 2 (25:57):
We're just going to break and then go.

Speaker 6 (25:59):
Yeah, we have to we can I can I ask
Kieren one more question because I'm just I'm just yeah,
I've just got this sport.

Speaker 1 (26:06):
You may as well. This is coming in from the.

Speaker 6 (26:10):
Yeah, I should just shave my head. I've got this
image of you when you're one of the senior players
and you're sitting around with people like McCaw and people
like Carter. Is there anyone that strikes you as like
a young back that came into the team and you
guys just sat around going, this guy is going to
be an absolutely phenomenon, Like someone like Boden Barrett came

(26:30):
in about what twenty twelve after you just won the
World Cup. Was it someone like him or was there
someone else that really struck you as this guy's special?

Speaker 5 (26:39):
Ah, this I think probably a couple of guys so Brodie,
Oh yeah, same year twenty Titler. There's a great vintage
those boys like him. He was someone who you know,
was just amazing, big body, he could just smash ruck.
So he was someone who kind of elevated himself.

Speaker 1 (26:59):
I looked through.

Speaker 5 (27:00):
I think when Damien Mackenzie came into the side at
twenty seventeen, I believe and he just was a live wire.
I thought this guy was you know, I still think
he can be amazing all black so he and he's
got so much growth, but he was young then he
was someone who's just electric. I love seeing those guys

(27:21):
who come into the team. Right now, if I'm watching
it whilst t T looks like that guy and everyone's
talking about him, right but there's yeah, it's just how
you manage that. But he looks he's got a good
hit on the shoulders.

Speaker 1 (27:34):
He'll be good. Yeah, man, he's been this, he's been
the standout. Like he's he's always in the right place.
He's got an instinct for being just in the right
place and running a particular line, and then he just
powers into the gap and he's he's His passing is
exceptional good. Actually, on that last game, I noticed that

(27:56):
all Black's passing was way better than it had been
in the other games. A lot of the passing was
just going straight to the hands, straight to the chairs.
Anon Brown passed thirty five under pressure, beautiful pass until
what was your h I think, right. So the great
players that you see and they come in, they see
the game, they read the game and so yes, they've

(28:18):
got these skills and and they work bloody hard, but
they see what's in front of them, and they and
they know what the opposition is doing, and they dictate
off them right, and they can communicate it outstandingly.

Speaker 5 (28:31):
And that's that's the great players. Will Jordan, well, Jordan's.

Speaker 1 (28:35):
See that right.

Speaker 4 (28:38):
No, I just thought that name was going to be
seen by you.

Speaker 5 (28:41):
When when that question was asked by Ruder, Will Jordan's
body barrett right right to me whilst Titty has that
just by seeing him on TV. And this is you know,
probably a couple others.

Speaker 1 (28:53):
Yeah, good question, Ruder, good questions, all right from Mary Deeker.
There North Cope. More heart is what we need.

Speaker 2 (29:03):
More heart people social media turning up to focused on
the social media feed and they don't want to add
enough and they're they're not bloody dedicated. And the celebrations
after the tries, that's.

Speaker 1 (29:19):
The but you don't want it enough. You should be
telling me there's too many brown people, right the full decon.

Speaker 4 (29:31):
Els Hey, Karen, thanks mate, all right.

Speaker 1 (29:34):
Thanks.

Speaker 2 (29:36):
Buddy, all right, love everyone, goodbye. You seem busy to
let you go, all right then, okay.

Speaker 3 (29:43):
Get there. Bespokey dokei'es on met Heath. You've been listening
to the Matt and Jerry Daily Bespoke podcast.

Speaker 1 (29:48):
Right now you can listen to the Radio.

Speaker 3 (29:49):
Highlights podcast, which you will.

Speaker 2 (29:54):
Anyway sit to download like subscribe, writer, review all those
great things. It really helps myself and Jerry and Mash
and Ruder absolutely love it. If you want to discuss
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Speaker 3 (30:09):
And while I'm plugging things.

Speaker 2 (30:11):
I have a weekly newsletter that I'm sending out from
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Speaker 3 (30:22):
Anyway you seem busy, I'll let you go. Bless bless, blessed.
Give them a taste of key.

Speaker 2 (30:25):
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Speaker 3 (30:26):
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