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Speaker 1 (00:04):
Welcome along to the Unnamed Podcast. It's Friday, the first
of November twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Get a kiwis.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
We've been.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
We've been.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Welcoming people in different ways for the whole week. We've
had Italian, We've had French, We've had Chinese. Have we
no German?
Speaker 4 (00:30):
Did we have German? Or is that me make them?
Speaker 1 (00:32):
I think we're I don't think we had German. Okay,
So today we've got an Australian Welcome Australia. Yeah, Australia,
great place, great country.
Speaker 5 (00:41):
Great country, but people in that not so much people. Yeah,
I mean Australia would I mean, it'd be a great
place if it didn't have Australians in it.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
I reckon. I was in Australia just last week and
I thought a lot about Australia while I was over there. Yeah,
as you do when you're in Australia.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Are they the spiritual country of the Smoke Show? Or
is that still Holland?
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Tell you what not, Holland. I mean you saw what
we saw was going on there. Man at his next
level Holland, ridiculous, ridiculous men and woman, just smoking of ridiculous.
Something for the mum something for the deads. It's got
something that with the biking around all the time, so
everybody's got a great ass.
Speaker 5 (01:18):
Yet everybody I remember drafting in behind one particular ass
for some time.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
I've got some photos of that. I took a photo.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Was that bad that got us going? Because that was
a long day? That one that was dog That was
dog shit shirt day?
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Yeah? I wasn't.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Yeah it was.
Speaker 5 (01:36):
I was coming to the end of a very traumatic
day and it was just a nice way to finish
it off.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Was that dog shit shirt?
Speaker 5 (01:43):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (01:43):
It was.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Was it a shoot or jacket?
Speaker 2 (01:45):
It was a shacket. It was a jacket.
Speaker 5 (01:48):
Yeah, it was a half jacket half shirt situation. And
it was only on the on the elbow and the sleeve.
It wasn't all over the jacket. But I think the
story has been exaggerated a little bit. But I did
roll in it.
Speaker 6 (01:57):
Do you have a photo of the the the ship
on the.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Jet, No, there was too much laughter going on for
about ten minutes.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Here's a photo of the of the person who we were,
who we were drafting them behind. And if you could
see what we could see in the flesh, it was
that was something. I mean that's that's an unflattering stride.
That's taking Yeah, that's a little bit. That's not doing
that's not doing anything justice out of curiosity.
Speaker 6 (02:25):
Is it something that you guys do is take photos
of people on the street and see mates, Well, we
were just walking.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
I just needed to document. I wasn't taking of the person.
I just needed to document the moment. So one day
when I look back in my phone, I'll be go, oh,
that's right, and I remember that.
Speaker 6 (02:38):
I remember that situation because I mean, I'm glad you
have because she's she's at great bumpy, but I was
just my friend.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Group.
Speaker 5 (02:45):
They're trying to avoid the sex, the gender of the photo,
but you've just gone out and ruined that.
Speaker 6 (02:50):
He's got a great of Jesus, that guy. You don't
need to take photos of that at.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
What's happening to that person's Look at the fucking womb
room that's stayed three.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Look, I'm just look.
Speaker 5 (03:02):
I'm just gonna have to say, I'm glad they didn't
swab my mustache back through customs. When we came back
from Amsterdam and Munich.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
The lolly steal one of those drug dogs was just
licking your face.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Three Lolly's at the hotel.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
That was good.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
That's in the foyer. You can just help yourself to
these ones here, absolutely delicious. They were like the Sherberty Yeah,
candy colored love hearts things. They were really really good.
I lived on and something else. So did Matt Heath
go on that trip and that.
Speaker 5 (03:33):
So going back to the Australian you're seeing, you've spent
a lot of time thinking about Australia when you were
on in Byron Bay. Yeah, Byron Bay is not really Australia,
was it. It's a little like a longclave.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
What would you call it?
Speaker 3 (03:44):
Then?
Speaker 1 (03:44):
If it's not Australia, what is it.
Speaker 5 (03:45):
It's kind of like what Austin is to Texas, you
know what I mean. It's kind of this weird enclave
of people who are a bit different lifestyle choices.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Back in the day, it was, and it was it
was a surfing community because it was a cape. Cape
Barron's the most eastern port of Australia. Yeah, it's got
a lighthouse on the top there, Cape Byron. And because
Cape points shuts out, you've got Beaches's got Tallow's Beach
on the south and then you've got the main Barron
Bay Beach on the north. Yes, so if you get
a southernly, you get the off you get the offshore
going for the for the northern beach, and vice versa.
(04:17):
So there's always a good wind for surf plus you
gets well coming through the so great surfing spot. So
I think that's what initially attracted a lot of surfers
to it.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
And surfers bring smoke shows.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Surfers have great rigs, yeah, like the best rigs. Yeah,
there's no one that has a better rig than a surfer.
So I think there was that part. Then there was
alternative lifestylers and they sort of came down from they
got pushed up from and it's it's south, it's northern
New South Wales, but it's southern. It's obviously over the
border from Queensland. So a lot of the people got
pushed down from the Goldie because Goldie became very commercial,
(04:49):
and then they got pushed up from New South Wales.
So there was a real hippy kind of community once
upon a time. They've now moved to mull and Bimbi,
Mullen Bimby, Mullen Bimbi, which is inland.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
So I go away from the coast and into Mullen Bimbi.
Mullen Bimbi sounds hot. Yeah, Mullen Bimbi is a bit hotter, definitely,
it's about four degrees hotter, not in terms of its people,
just in terms of its temperature. But it's also very
very happy and kind of and of course Nimbin Ninben
(05:25):
which is up that way, so it's quite a weird
happy kind of community going on there. But anyway, I
think nowadays Byron Bay it's the best of us.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
It's still retained its beachy kind of vibe more than
the Mound, Like it's more beachy than the Mound. You
still see a bit of sand in the street, you know,
there's still sand in the street, and they've just kind
of left the sidewalks a bit kind of ramshackle with
weeds growing out them and stuff. But then there's no
McDonald's and there's no bloody change shit there and all
(05:54):
that sort of stuff, and there's nothing over eleven meters.
You're not allowed to build a building over eleven meters,
so she's all low rise.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
No shitty goldie towers.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Nah. Property is spinning there super expensive because of that,
because you can't go up, and they also it's quite hard.
They just won't develop. And much national park around that,
yeah there is. Yeah, there's full National park going on there.
And Cape Byron the water goes beach where I think
what it goes is the most which is the beach
underneath the cape, the lighthouse there on the point. That's
(06:27):
a little micro climate, so it sort of faces north
and but it gets the clouds don't get out there.
It's quite weird.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
And so you were thinking about Australia a lot while
you were there.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Yeah, I was just thinking about when you like, firstly,
I was thinking about the original inhabitants of Australia forty years,
the Aboriginal Australians living there. And I was thinking about
the different and there were something like three and I
read some of three and a half thousand different languages,
(06:58):
and so the languages were completely different when they couldn't
speak to each other and stuff, and about inhabiting that
place for forty thousand years, and then all of a sudden,
these people arrive in the seventeen hundreds, real pale white
people and arriving on the shore and imagine arriving in
summer in like Queensland. Oh yeah, and you come ashore
(07:21):
and the animals that you would say, the weirdest bunch
of animals one bats that have existed completely on Australia
by themselves, completely foreign. Because we look at a beach
and we think, yeah, beautiful, beautiful sunshine, et cetera. But
if you were wearing a pair of breeches and a
woolen jacket, you know, in an army uniform and a hat,
stupid hat, and you and you rode ashore, you don't
(07:44):
want the heat, you don't want the surf, you don't
want the beaches, especially with the snakes and the poisonous crap.
You wouldn't even know what all that stuff was.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
They would have thought it was a bit of a
hell hole, wouldn't they.
Speaker 5 (07:53):
That's why they ended up going back and Luis, you'd
seen all the dirt bags here.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
But it's so big the country. It's huge, It's massive,
it's bloody huge. Australia.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Is it one of the biggest countries in the world.
It's its own almost in.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Terms of its land. Yes, yeah, I think it's a
lot bigger than what it looks on the map.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
China and Russia maybe about the only other countries in
Monty bigger. I don't know, I'm making that up, but
you're not too far. When I look at a.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Map, that's what Russia's biggest America is. It's about the
size of America, isn't it North America. I've got fifth there.
Speaker 6 (08:29):
Do you have on your list over there?
Speaker 2 (08:32):
It's pretty good.
Speaker 6 (08:32):
I've got Russia, Canada, China, the States, Brazil, Australia six
and then that's so they're above.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Indiana and the area. Yeah, do you know what, it's actually.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
A little bit of an under the biggest island anyway.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Yes, Argentina's eight.
Speaker 6 (08:44):
Argentina's bigger than a Kazakhs.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Sounds huge. It's a long, skinny chip. It's a skinny
old thing old. Yeah, it's down a long.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
Way, bloody long. Canada is big, but half of its ice.
And actually, you know, when you look at those countries
and the same as Russia, half of it's just tundra
that you can't use. But you've got to say the States,
it's no surprise that the States, which pretty much all
of it is inhabited, is apart from a little bit
of desert in the middle. You know, most of it's
really useful. And plus they've got oil and also, I
(09:13):
mean the States is blessed with so much amazing stuff.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
We're seventy six, but I reckon on a per capita basis,
we're probably.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Capital We always punch above.
Speaker 4 (09:22):
Were seventy six England, the UK is eighty, so we've
got more area than the UK.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
So anyway, we've got a bit way late because we
were going to talk to Carl Stephen, who's the front
man for Super Groove, and we were talking yesterday about
this ad here.
Speaker 7 (09:46):
We were hanging.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
Humble going when you're spoiling for a bike.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Starting along with.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
You know what I now?
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Yeah, so that was the Muncho's ad from the nineties
with Melvin Inger in it.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Jeez, I they had a bit of money on Munch's,
didn't they.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
They had a lot of money. And so we reached
out to Carl Stephen and he has agreed to chet
to us about the Muncho's ad, probably reluctantly. Yeah, you know,
it's one of.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Those long time ago, one of those things that he
probably had got a lot of ship at the time
that ben because remembe back then selling out would be
like fucking sellouts. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Well, i'd like to know about that. Yeah, so I
want to ask him about that. I want to ask
him how it came about. I want to also ask
him about some lyrics, because there's the beginning part where
it says we were hanging loose, we were working for Bruce.
Who's Bruce? Just got coming up here? Who's Bruce?
Speaker 2 (10:56):
We were humble and going down. As well as that,
there was.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
A rum I'm going down. Oh okay, so we've got that.
But we were hanging loose. We we're working for Bruce.
There was a rumble going down my munche that but
there is that actually says there were there. We had
a case of the munches or something.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
It was us against the money.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
It was us, it was us. I good some mun choes.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
They over nil stoned when they're doing this song.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
Well, we need to ask Carl Stephen these questions. There's
so many questions.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
It's very mighty boosh that song. I can imagine you
know Nolan and what are they? Guy was called yeah
singing that song. I got the mund cheese.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
It was also good. Some mun choes that's quite anyway,
Should we give should we take a break and we'll
come back with Carl Steven who can explain to us
a whole lot of stuff that needs to be answered.
In twenty twenty four about the Eater Muncho's ad from
nineteen ninety three, welcome back, and supergroof funt man Cal
(11:54):
Stephen joins us. Get a Carl, how.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
Are you hello?
Speaker 7 (11:59):
Good thing?
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Hey, thanks so much for talking to us. We were
talking yesterday on the podcast about the Munchos ad from
nineteen ninety two. This ad here one of the great ads, were.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
Normal goings when you're spoiling for a bike module wrong, you.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
Know what I mean. And there are so many questions
which need to be asked, and you are the perfect
person to answer them color because you were there from
the start of the whole thing. Firstly, how did the
ad come about?
Speaker 3 (12:51):
Wow?
Speaker 7 (12:52):
I worked at a recording studio that did music and
also stuff for ad agencies, and so I think that
that's how the ad agency sort of got wind of that.
There was this young band of musicians because we were
recording and we were gigging and we did some Christmas
parties for ad agencies and stuff much for Peril. Yeah,
(13:18):
And so they asked us and we were like, wow,
they want to pay us, you know, this is incredible,
and we just said yes when they just waved a
check in front of us.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Basically, well, because you would have been quite young at
the stage. You're still in your teens.
Speaker 7 (13:32):
Yeah, yeah, we're all in our teams, but most of
the guys were still at school. But I left school
early to go work in that studio.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Oh wow, okay, and we'd probably be talking because this
is the early nineties, We're probably talking about quite a
lot of money here, because there was a lot of
money floating around and advertising in those days.
Speaker 7 (13:52):
Well, when I think back on it, it certainly seemed
like a lot of money, but I don't actually think
it was. When I sort of when the figures danced
before my eyes, now it's like, was that Like, yeah,
I can't. I couldn't say it because I'm sure that
would be inappropriate to the ad agency involved. But they
certainly got a good deal.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
I think I did.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Okay, okay, but super groove at that stuff. So it
was it was super groove. We're getting a name for
themselves getting around the place. But you had you released
any material, any albums at the stage.
Speaker 7 (14:28):
No albums, but we had released a single, but but
it was I think just in the earliest, earliest stages.
And one of the motivations for doing the ad actually
was that when we tried to book shows up and
down the country, basically the ads were just a flat no,
you know, because we were too young and and touring
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bands wasn't really a thing at that time in art.
It was more like nightclubs, you know, so you just
danced to the hits, you know. And so so what
the ad gave us was once it was on air,
the venue, our manager could talk to the venues and
say the ore the guys from the Muncho's ad, and
(15:09):
then the venues like, oh yeah, no, definitely, oh yeah,
get him on Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
A different place in nineties, doesn't that Wow?
Speaker 7 (15:18):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Okay, So the song itself, did you write the song
or did you write the lyrics to the song?
Speaker 7 (15:28):
We wrote the music and I think consulted a little
bit on the you know, the sort of flow of
the rhymes. But but it was written by that agency.
They wrote the sort of script if you.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Like that, okay, because melman Ninger features in it, which
is kind of weird.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
He was big though in the early nineties he was
one of the biggest sports stars in Australasia.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
Well he was, But if you look at it now,
you wonder, why is melman Ninger featuring?
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Like is he Mancho's Australia?
Speaker 7 (15:58):
Maybe I have no idea, And I didn't know who
he was at the time. Only our drummer knew who
he was because it was so ignorant about sports and stuff.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Classic drummer. Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 7 (16:11):
And the drummer was like embarrassed of us and meeting Melmaninger.
But for us, it was just some famous sports guy
from some sort of rugby. Didn't know whether it was
like touch or league or rugby union or quite what
he did to play.
Speaker 4 (16:30):
Putting on my alliteration, hat is it because Mancho started
with M and so they got someone with two m's
in their name, someone famous. Jow, that's what I would
have done in the night.
Speaker 7 (16:42):
That's how they think, you know, out there in the
around the boardroom table, I'm putting a lot of ms.
Speaker 5 (16:49):
Michael Jones one, right, yeah, Mike Myers.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
It's an odd it's I've always I remember at the time,
and it was as a super catchy tune, and I
remember at the time was sort of wondering what the
hell Melmanninger was doing in there, but as well, with
the eyebrows, it looked like he was. It was kind
of part of a separate thing, I imagine. And he
delivers his line so flat. It's just such a low
(17:16):
energy line.
Speaker 7 (17:17):
It's it's funny you should say that because he struggled
enormously delivering.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
That life right, I get the sense of that.
Speaker 7 (17:27):
Yeah. And so what we had to do is, because I,
like I said, worked in this recording studio, I had
to actually voice his part as a guide for him
so he could hear me say it. And then he
came in and you know I would say it along
with my recorded version of him saying it. He could
get it. But that was that was definitely the best
(17:49):
take we could get.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
You a little little.
Speaker 7 (17:51):
Spot that he has to the hole in the neliestus
read and it wasn't his favorite thing.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
When you're spoiling for a bike.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
You did pretty well in the end, well, probably thanks
to Carl and his timing.
Speaker 5 (18:08):
And when you're spoiling for a bike, So that was
when you're spoiling for a bite five had five words.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Oh wow, so someone's gone we want melman Ninger in
this ad. We've got super groove, We've got a great
catchy show and we want melman Ninger. We want him
to be the guy who says that he's hungry for
munchos at that particular time. We don't know how well
he can perform, but we want Melmanninger. He's an Australian
Relely League guy. He's not even a New Zealander. Because
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did this ad play in Australia as well? Cal do
you know?
Speaker 7 (18:42):
I don't think so, to be honest, because we would
have been a little bit better now in Australia if
it had so. I think it was just local and
there were a couple of models in there as well dancers.
I remember when we did the shoot in the car park,
one of the things that they were very concerned about
is we weren't allowed to speak to or you know,
(19:03):
approach the models in any way. So we had to
sit at the other side of the car park while
they did all their dancing stuff from just sort of
light the other at.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
The side right. Was Mel allowed to approach the models?
Speaker 7 (19:17):
Well, it seemed to be like they were the stars,
you know, like so they were allowed to hang out together,
and we were like just the fresh meat that had
to sort of you know, wrap on demand when yeah,
they shine the light on us.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Okay, so let's get into the lyrics, because this has
always been a bone of content for me, only because
I don't say it says we were hanging loose. We
were working for Bruce. Who the fuck is Bruce?
Speaker 7 (19:48):
Well, it's actually we were hanging loose. It's probably you
can't understand it through our thick American accents that I'm
not sure where they came from, but I think that
was just when we were at that age when you
sort of like you listen to music and it's all
from America and then so it's like I'm going to
make some music and you open your mouth and you
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know you're from Wyoming or whatever. So that took us
a while to kind of twigs that we weren't Americans
and then singing our own voices. But anyway, it's we
were hanging loose. When word came from Goose.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
Who's Goose?
Speaker 7 (20:31):
Well, that's an ad agency question. I think their assumption
was Goose is one of this gang of music kids.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Okay, well, there's a big assumption there came from when
word came from Goose, Okay, well that makes sense because
it's not Bruce. Goose is like, that's exactly what an
aired agency would do. Oh my god, that's so aired agency.
Because as well, I guess top Gun was only top
Gun had only come out what like six years before
(21:01):
then or something ghost from top Gun maybe.
Speaker 7 (21:03):
Oh, is there a Goosen top Gun.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Yeah, there's a Goose. There's a Goose and top.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
Well, there might be a creative director called Goose because
they did that kind of thing where they would chuck
a little lista eggain. Oh yeah, so something like that.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
But these yeah, so okay, so that when word came
from ghosts there was a rumble going down. Now, when
I was fourteen and I and I first saw the SAD,
I always thought that shay Fou said there was a
zigg as a mucha, but that's not what he said.
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And I always thought that was quite a cool line,
although it didn't really make any sense at all. But
I thought there was a ziggers a Much. I thought,
who the hell is ziggers a much? But I didn't
know who Bruce was either, So there was a lot
of assumed knowledge going on. But it turns out it
actually says it was us against the munches.
Speaker 7 (21:51):
Perhaps that's correct. I see again, it's the American accent,
it was. And of course when we do American accent,
you know, they're not recognizable as such two people in America,
for instance, they're just some weird way of speaking. So
so that's yeah, it was us against the monchies.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
It was us against which is quite a hard line
to rap, to be honest, it was us against the munchies.
I think that's quite a hard thing to say, not
for a professional that he's a very good rappers. So
so it goes it was us against the munchies. And
then how does it go? And what's the next?
Speaker 7 (22:30):
Thing? Looked grim.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
And then something the man turned up and said, okay,
let's have a listening again. Okay, here we go. There's
a rumble going down. It was us against the munchies.
Things looked and that's about the time when the man
(22:55):
stepped and I think it says maybe he said and
then he says, when you're spoiling for a bike, great
performance from Melmann.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
Anger, when you're spoiling for a bike.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Tak this and put your stomach right. That's good stopped
the rumbles, know what I mean, So the rest of them, Yeah,
the rest of it, I look, to be honest, the
drum sound in that still sounds awesome like the bases,
you guys, it's actually it gets better with every listener.
Speaker 7 (23:33):
All Russell is a good, good drummer. He was by
far the most sort of musically skilled member of the band.
But but Joe's bass playing also, And I think of
Joe as being this goose character as how I always sort.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Of thought of it.
Speaker 7 (23:47):
I think I don't know quite why, but but yeah,
and and and that was just before we started getting
into recording. We were just sort of finding our feet
with our recording skill because I would produce the stuff
and co produce it with Michael Mouseford going on into
the Traction album and stuff, and so yeah, we were
(24:08):
starting to hone our craft. I think on the Munchose Ad, can.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
You answer me a question, cal So, With the success
of malspoken word line inside of the Munchose Ad, did
you take that into having an abundance of plutonic relationships
reminiscent of my man Mike Plato With that line delivered
by Michael Morrissey, I think it was Michael Morrissey. It
(24:33):
sounds like Michael Morrissey.
Speaker 7 (24:36):
Warren Thomas was Warren Thomas Thomas former TV one voice
Warren Thomas.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
Yep, well, there we go. But was that was that
inspired from melm and Inger's performance in Thenchost?
Speaker 7 (24:49):
That's that's a very interesting observation. It's not, but it
could well have been. What it's actually inspired from is
do you remember on The Muppet Show when there was
like they would do surgery.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
And veterinarian surgery whatever are you student just putting?
Speaker 7 (25:12):
During the end of the segment, the voiceover of the
veterinarians whatever would come in and they would all look
up at the ceiling and sort of like, where's that
voice coming from? Yes, that's where the Warren Thomas having
an abundant the tonic relationships for the mist to my man,
Mike Plato, that idea sort of comes from that, and
(25:36):
we just wanted that lyric, and we wanted to give
Plato her first name, and we decided it will be Mike.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
I was going to say, who's Mike?
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Okay, So now now we're digging deep into supergreo of lyrics.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
What I want to know and what I've always wanted
to know ever since my teenage is who were the
Scorpio girls?
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Who were they?
Speaker 7 (25:55):
I'm married to one and she's just in the other room,
so I can't say too much about that, but they,
you know it was they all knew each other back
in the day. And yeah, but you know, good people.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
Okay, Well, thank you, Carl, thanks for talking to us.
Thanks for clearing up some questions around who Goose was.
It wasn't Bruce, I was completely wrong there. Really appreciate it.
And what are you up to at the moment, by
the way, because I know that you've done a lot
of work on soundtracks and stuff of lady, are you
(26:29):
still doing that? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (26:31):
Totally.
Speaker 7 (26:32):
So that's my day to day, was doing film music
and TV music and stuff. And then recently, you know,
super Groove is going to be touring next year in
when is that April, and so that's involved lots of
phone calls and zoom meetings and Google documents and you know,
(26:56):
trying to get a nice set list together and get
it all flow and yeah, and that's been really fun.
So a bit of Super Groove stuff as well for
a change.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Oh, that's exciting. And you guys are Troy Kingey I
see as well and Kin Kapisi. So has that been
fun to get back with Shay again. You guys had
an amazing chemistry. It's quite remarkable. Actually we hear your
two voices working together. They're so different, but they work
so well together. Still sounds great.
Speaker 7 (27:26):
Yeah. No, he has the voice of an angel and
I have the voice of a tiny demon.
Speaker 6 (27:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (27:33):
No, it has been great. It's always wonderful working with Shay.
And it's funny when you get on stage together or
in the practice room because just that muscle memory kicks
and of what you did show after show, tour after tour,
and yeah, as long as the muscles are actually still functioning,
then the muscle memory serves quite well.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
Yeah. But also there's a magic there and you will
understand all about that as a musician, but you can
hear it as a list. Now, there's a magic there
and either there's either a magic or there's not a magic,
and there's definitely a magic going on there.
Speaker 7 (28:06):
Oh, that's awesome. Our cheer as well. It all started
with the manchos.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
You amazing, Carl Stephen, thank you so much. That really
appreciate it. Good on you so good. Oh, that's very good. Well,
it's good to clear that up, wasn't it. Yeah?
Speaker 2 (28:21):
I didn't know they made their first kind of major release,
was there.
Speaker 5 (28:24):
I presumed that that super Groove had released an album
and then that agency said come and right, come and
sing the song.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Yeah, because your high profile. But not the other way around.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
But you know the annoying thing that agency will be
claiming that the success of super Groove was based on them.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
Yeah, there's an agency out there that claimed they started
the acc.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Wow, this is the thing. Agency agencies will claim a
lot of.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Stuff, totally, totally.
Speaker 5 (28:48):
I forgot to ask them the question to that where
they got a lot of shit for doing it, But
since they didn't really have a profile, they wouldn't have
because my assumption was that they, like I said, they
had a big song and then they did this and
the other artists would have gone fucking sellouts just because
they were jealous. All that's what happens jazz. And also
this happens every year in New Zealand. Ad agencies every
(29:08):
year of radio station will get sent a song written
for a client. Good example of Sweety Boy, you know,
the Mountain Dew one and they go, can you edit
to your playlist?
Speaker 2 (29:19):
We want it to go to number one?
Speaker 1 (29:21):
No?
Speaker 6 (29:22):
Like?
Speaker 2 (29:22):
Why not? Like because it's an ad and they're like,
every year every year an agency goes, we'll write this song,
they'll add it to the playlist. It'll go number one.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
It'd be great, we'll get an excess award. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
Every year, every year they come and haven't got the song?
Do you reckon? You could edit to the playlist? No,
fuck off? Every year. It's so funny you can predict
it will be incoming, like, here's the brief that song
can be playing on the radio.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
That's good to know. As well as Supergroove with reforming,
and they were incredibly popular. I mean for guys that
were as young as they were. Cal seven. He talks
himself down, but he was the creative force behind Super Groove,
I'm told from p who are involved. And he understood
the way it all. He wasn't just the voice of
(30:04):
a devil thing and that he was.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
He's very, very clever, very beastie boys, isn't it.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (30:09):
Yeah boys.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
They would have been big fans of from their fifteen
minutes we just spent with Carl. He's sounds like a
terrific man as well, really nice guy funny. Yep, no,
I think at the time. I mean they were huge
that that album is saying. Traction was absolutely massive.
Speaker 5 (30:24):
Time I saw them in London, remembering Taste New Zealand
was on in London and it was just basically excuse
for a bunch of keys to get together and behave terribly.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
They played over there.
Speaker 5 (30:33):
That would would have been in kind of I don't know,
early early two thousands, two thousand and two maybe, and
they it was loose. It was loose as a ghost.
They were on tour over in England, just running a mark.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
They were working for ghosts. Their live shows had so
much I mean they had about a million people on stage,
so much going on, all of them, great musicians, full horns,
the full works, and as a result, the gags are
massive amounts of ennery.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Yeah, it was it was caught, That's where it was.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
It was caught.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
And yeah we watched.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
Supergroup, Yeah great Underground Station.
Speaker 4 (31:06):
I don't I don't mean to bring the mood down.
I didn't want to say this when Carl was still
on the phone because I didn't want to question as
artistic integrity. But I couldn't help. But note that near
the end of that song one of my pet hates,
they've rhymed the same word with the same word. Oh really,
so they've got Damnco's taste real mean and then it's
you know what I mean, So they've rhyned mean with mean,
(31:28):
which I hate.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
What a professional though, like he could get delivered some
other people's lyrics and deliver them as well as they did. Like,
it's quite impressive considering they weren't. They weren't lyrics that
came naturally to him. It's quite impressive that it's highly
I think it went on. I think they played that
for about three or four years. The fact that I
know all of the words to it, it means I
(31:49):
was watching way too much TV, which is possibly true.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Well everyone did. There was only one channel, yeah so,
and there was there was nothing else much to do that, and.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
The big taste always gets through. The big taste always
gets to what about the bow peers head with Jayla
guyer Vince.
Speaker 4 (32:07):
And along came there, Oh yeah, snow, welcome Jaylor Guy
sing that he as the truck driver as the ear
starts coming out of the tire. Interesting and then it
burbled a bit, oh no, not the bubbly bit, and
then it wabbled a bit oh no, no.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
No, and then here comes the thing that's the bursty thing,
and then it was that was really annoying that song
that wasn't so what about He's your Mobile man? That
there was sung by someone that I spoke to recently?
Speaker 2 (32:42):
What about a lineman for the county? That one which
is what?
Speaker 1 (32:44):
What was that for? For Telecom?
Speaker 4 (32:47):
For the.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
I'm into still around?
Speaker 1 (32:51):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (32:52):
Man, if they brought that song out again, I reckon,
I go great guns.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
Still sounds good? That still sounds good melded to another performance.
Speaker 5 (33:00):
I didn't know that was Melmoaninger. And because I hadn't
when you bought up this ad, I haven't seen the ad.
It's obviously on YouTube and Melmourninger's delivering that line. If
you played that to me a thousand times, I wouldn't.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
Have guessed it that someone obviously had a wide on
for league.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
Oh yeah, massively.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
I wanted to.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
It would have been classic.
Speaker 5 (33:18):
Agency would have been a craft drink who wanted to
meet Melmanoger, a huge fant just get him over.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
How much they paid him for that? Probably like one
hundred thousand if.
Speaker 5 (33:25):
He asked Melmaninger he is. He's the coach of the
Aussie rugby league team. So any if we play Australia
in this Pacific Nation's final, let's request to talk to
Melmoanninger and play him that ad and he's great new
ye and asking him before yeah, and ask him can
you remember recording this ad?
Speaker 2 (33:45):
And he might go yeah or no, no.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
I have no mea and he probably never He probably
never saw it if I was in New Zealand.
Speaker 5 (33:52):
Yeah that's true, right, Okay, good guys, stuff. So were
you going to address the hugging from behind him that
kept on Monday?
Speaker 1 (34:00):
Should we do that?
Speaker 7 (34:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (34:02):
Yeah, there gives you plenty of time to put that
in the bank for the weekend.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
Excuse me, I can still feel it, all right?
Speaker 2 (34:09):
Okay, this looks like you just did a come.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
I was aroused.
Welcome along to the Unnamed Podcast. It's Friday, the first
of November twenty twenty four.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
Get a kiwis.
Speaker 1 (00:15):
We've been.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
We've been.
Speaker 1 (00:20):
Welcoming people in different ways for the whole week. We've
had Italian, We've had French, We've had Chinese. Have we
no German?
Speaker 4 (00:30):
Did we have German? Or is that me make them?
Speaker 1 (00:32):
I think we're I don't think we had German. Okay,
So today we've got an Australian Welcome Australia. Yeah, Australia,
great place, great country.
Speaker 5 (00:41):
Great country, but people in that not so much people. Yeah,
I mean Australia would I mean, it'd be a great
place if it didn't have Australians in it.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
I reckon. I was in Australia just last week and
I thought a lot about Australia while I was over there. Yeah,
as you do when you're in Australia.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Are they the spiritual country of the Smoke Show? Or
is that still Holland?
Speaker 1 (00:59):
Tell you what not, Holland. I mean you saw what
we saw was going on there. Man at his next
level Holland, ridiculous, ridiculous men and woman, just smoking of ridiculous.
Something for the mum something for the deads. It's got
something that with the biking around all the time, so
everybody's got a great ass.
Speaker 5 (01:18):
Yet everybody I remember drafting in behind one particular ass
for some time.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
I've got some photos of that. I took a photo.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Was that bad that got us going? Because that was
a long day? That one that was dog That was
dog shit shirt day?
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Yeah? I wasn't.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Yeah it was.
Speaker 5 (01:36):
I was coming to the end of a very traumatic
day and it was just a nice way to finish
it off.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Was that dog shit shirt?
Speaker 5 (01:43):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (01:43):
It was.
Speaker 1 (01:44):
Was it a shoot or jacket?
Speaker 2 (01:45):
It was a shacket. It was a jacket.
Speaker 5 (01:48):
Yeah, it was a half jacket half shirt situation. And
it was only on the on the elbow and the sleeve.
It wasn't all over the jacket. But I think the
story has been exaggerated a little bit. But I did
roll in it.
Speaker 6 (01:57):
Do you have a photo of the the the ship
on the.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Jet, No, there was too much laughter going on for
about ten minutes.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
Here's a photo of the of the person who we were,
who we were drafting them behind. And if you could
see what we could see in the flesh, it was
that was something. I mean that's that's an unflattering stride.
That's taking Yeah, that's a little bit. That's not doing
that's not doing anything justice out of curiosity.
Speaker 6 (02:25):
Is it something that you guys do is take photos
of people on the street and see mates, Well, we
were just walking.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
I just needed to document. I wasn't taking of the person.
I just needed to document the moment. So one day
when I look back in my phone, I'll be go, oh,
that's right, and I remember that.
Speaker 6 (02:38):
I remember that situation because I mean, I'm glad you
have because she's she's at great bumpy, but I was
just my friend.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Group.
Speaker 5 (02:45):
They're trying to avoid the sex, the gender of the photo,
but you've just gone out and ruined that.
Speaker 6 (02:50):
He's got a great of Jesus, that guy. You don't
need to take photos of that at.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
What's happening to that person's Look at the fucking womb
room that's stayed three.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Look, I'm just look.
Speaker 5 (03:02):
I'm just gonna have to say, I'm glad they didn't
swab my mustache back through customs. When we came back
from Amsterdam and Munich.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
The lolly steal one of those drug dogs was just
licking your face.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
Three Lolly's at the hotel.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
That was good.
Speaker 1 (03:15):
That's in the foyer. You can just help yourself to
these ones here, absolutely delicious. They were like the Sherberty Yeah,
candy colored love hearts things. They were really really good.
I lived on and something else. So did Matt Heath
go on that trip and that.
Speaker 5 (03:33):
So going back to the Australian you're seeing, you've spent
a lot of time thinking about Australia when you were
on in Byron Bay. Yeah, Byron Bay is not really Australia,
was it. It's a little like a longclave.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
What would you call it?
Speaker 3 (03:44):
Then?
Speaker 1 (03:44):
If it's not Australia, what is it.
Speaker 5 (03:45):
It's kind of like what Austin is to Texas, you
know what I mean. It's kind of this weird enclave
of people who are a bit different lifestyle choices.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Back in the day, it was, and it was it
was a surfing community because it was a cape. Cape
Barron's the most eastern port of Australia. Yeah, it's got
a lighthouse on the top there, Cape Byron. And because
Cape points shuts out, you've got Beaches's got Tallow's Beach
on the south and then you've got the main Barron
Bay Beach on the north. Yes, so if you get
a southernly, you get the off you get the offshore
going for the for the northern beach, and vice versa.
(04:17):
So there's always a good wind for surf plus you
gets well coming through the so great surfing spot. So
I think that's what initially attracted a lot of surfers
to it.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
And surfers bring smoke shows.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Surfers have great rigs, yeah, like the best rigs. Yeah,
there's no one that has a better rig than a surfer.
So I think there was that part. Then there was
alternative lifestylers and they sort of came down from they
got pushed up from and it's it's south, it's northern
New South Wales, but it's southern. It's obviously over the
border from Queensland. So a lot of the people got
pushed down from the Goldie because Goldie became very commercial,
(04:49):
and then they got pushed up from New South Wales.
So there was a real hippy kind of community once
upon a time. They've now moved to mull and Bimbi,
Mullen Bimby, Mullen Bimbi, which is inland.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
So I go away from the coast and into Mullen Bimbi.
Mullen Bimbi sounds hot. Yeah, Mullen Bimbi is a bit hotter, definitely,
it's about four degrees hotter, not in terms of its people,
just in terms of its temperature. But it's also very
very happy and kind of and of course Nimbin Ninben
(05:25):
which is up that way, so it's quite a weird
happy kind of community going on there. But anyway, I
think nowadays Byron Bay it's the best of us.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
It's still retained its beachy kind of vibe more than
the Mound, Like it's more beachy than the Mound. You
still see a bit of sand in the street, you know,
there's still sand in the street, and they've just kind
of left the sidewalks a bit kind of ramshackle with
weeds growing out them and stuff. But then there's no
McDonald's and there's no bloody change shit there and all
(05:54):
that sort of stuff, and there's nothing over eleven meters.
You're not allowed to build a building over eleven meters,
so she's all low rise.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
No shitty goldie towers.
Speaker 1 (06:05):
Nah. Property is spinning there super expensive because of that,
because you can't go up, and they also it's quite hard.
They just won't develop. And much national park around that,
yeah there is. Yeah, there's full National park going on there.
And Cape Byron the water goes beach where I think
what it goes is the most which is the beach
underneath the cape, the lighthouse there on the point. That's
(06:27):
a little micro climate, so it sort of faces north
and but it gets the clouds don't get out there.
It's quite weird.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
And so you were thinking about Australia a lot while
you were there.
Speaker 1 (06:36):
Yeah, I was just thinking about when you like, firstly,
I was thinking about the original inhabitants of Australia forty years,
the Aboriginal Australians living there. And I was thinking about
the different and there were something like three and I
read some of three and a half thousand different languages,
(06:58):
and so the languages were completely different when they couldn't
speak to each other and stuff, and about inhabiting that
place for forty thousand years, and then all of a sudden,
these people arrive in the seventeen hundreds, real pale white
people and arriving on the shore and imagine arriving in
summer in like Queensland. Oh yeah, and you come ashore
(07:21):
and the animals that you would say, the weirdest bunch
of animals one bats that have existed completely on Australia
by themselves, completely foreign. Because we look at a beach
and we think, yeah, beautiful, beautiful sunshine, et cetera. But
if you were wearing a pair of breeches and a
woolen jacket, you know, in an army uniform and a hat,
stupid hat, and you and you rode ashore, you don't
(07:44):
want the heat, you don't want the surf, you don't
want the beaches, especially with the snakes and the poisonous crap.
You wouldn't even know what all that stuff was.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
They would have thought it was a bit of a
hell hole, wouldn't they.
Speaker 5 (07:53):
That's why they ended up going back and Luis, you'd
seen all the dirt bags here.
Speaker 1 (07:57):
But it's so big the country. It's huge, It's massive,
it's bloody huge. Australia.
Speaker 2 (08:05):
Is it one of the biggest countries in the world.
It's its own almost in.
Speaker 1 (08:10):
Terms of its land. Yes, yeah, I think it's a
lot bigger than what it looks on the map.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
China and Russia maybe about the only other countries in
Monty bigger. I don't know, I'm making that up, but
you're not too far. When I look at a.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
Map, that's what Russia's biggest America is. It's about the
size of America, isn't it North America. I've got fifth there.
Speaker 6 (08:29):
Do you have on your list over there?
Speaker 2 (08:32):
It's pretty good.
Speaker 6 (08:32):
I've got Russia, Canada, China, the States, Brazil, Australia six
and then that's so they're above.
Speaker 1 (08:38):
Indiana and the area. Yeah, do you know what, it's actually.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
A little bit of an under the biggest island anyway.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Yes, Argentina's eight.
Speaker 6 (08:44):
Argentina's bigger than a Kazakhs.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
Sounds huge. It's a long, skinny chip. It's a skinny
old thing old. Yeah, it's down a long.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
Way, bloody long. Canada is big, but half of its ice.
And actually, you know, when you look at those countries
and the same as Russia, half of it's just tundra
that you can't use. But you've got to say the States,
it's no surprise that the States, which pretty much all
of it is inhabited, is apart from a little bit
of desert in the middle. You know, most of it's
really useful. And plus they've got oil and also, I
(09:13):
mean the States is blessed with so much amazing stuff.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
We're seventy six, but I reckon on a per capita basis,
we're probably.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
Capital We always punch above.
Speaker 4 (09:22):
Were seventy six England, the UK is eighty, so we've
got more area than the UK.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
So anyway, we've got a bit way late because we
were going to talk to Carl Stephen, who's the front
man for Super Groove, and we were talking yesterday about
this ad here.
Speaker 7 (09:46):
We were hanging.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
Humble going when you're spoiling for a bike.
Speaker 1 (10:02):
Starting along with.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
You know what I now?
Speaker 1 (10:07):
Yeah, so that was the Muncho's ad from the nineties
with Melvin Inger in it.
Speaker 2 (10:11):
Jeez, I they had a bit of money on Munch's,
didn't they.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
They had a lot of money. And so we reached
out to Carl Stephen and he has agreed to chet
to us about the Muncho's ad, probably reluctantly. Yeah, you know,
it's one of.
Speaker 2 (10:23):
Those long time ago, one of those things that he
probably had got a lot of ship at the time
that ben because remembe back then selling out would be
like fucking sellouts. You know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Well, i'd like to know about that. Yeah, so I
want to ask him about that. I want to ask
him how it came about. I want to also ask
him about some lyrics, because there's the beginning part where
it says we were hanging loose, we were working for Bruce.
Who's Bruce? Just got coming up here? Who's Bruce?
Speaker 2 (10:56):
We were humble and going down. As well as that,
there was.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
A rum I'm going down. Oh okay, so we've got that.
But we were hanging loose. We we're working for Bruce.
There was a rumble going down my munche that but
there is that actually says there were there. We had
a case of the munches or something.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
It was us against the money.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
It was us, it was us. I good some mun choes.
Speaker 4 (11:18):
They over nil stoned when they're doing this song.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
Well, we need to ask Carl Stephen these questions. There's
so many questions.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
It's very mighty boosh that song. I can imagine you
know Nolan and what are they? Guy was called yeah
singing that song. I got the mund cheese.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
It was also good. Some mun choes that's quite anyway,
Should we give should we take a break and we'll
come back with Carl Steven who can explain to us
a whole lot of stuff that needs to be answered.
In twenty twenty four about the Eater Muncho's ad from
nineteen ninety three, welcome back, and supergroof funt man Cal
(11:54):
Stephen joins us. Get a Carl, how.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
Are you hello?
Speaker 7 (11:59):
Good thing?
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Hey, thanks so much for talking to us. We were
talking yesterday on the podcast about the Munchos ad from
nineteen ninety two. This ad here one of the great ads, were.
Speaker 3 (12:19):
Normal goings when you're spoiling for a bike module wrong, you.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
Know what I mean. And there are so many questions
which need to be asked, and you are the perfect
person to answer them color because you were there from
the start of the whole thing. Firstly, how did the
ad come about?
Speaker 3 (12:51):
Wow?
Speaker 7 (12:52):
I worked at a recording studio that did music and
also stuff for ad agencies, and so I think that
that's how the ad agency sort of got wind of that.
There was this young band of musicians because we were
recording and we were gigging and we did some Christmas
parties for ad agencies and stuff much for Peril. Yeah,
(13:18):
And so they asked us and we were like, wow,
they want to pay us, you know, this is incredible,
and we just said yes when they just waved a
check in front of us.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
Basically, well, because you would have been quite young at
the stage. You're still in your teens.
Speaker 7 (13:32):
Yeah, yeah, we're all in our teams, but most of
the guys were still at school. But I left school
early to go work in that studio.
Speaker 1 (13:39):
Oh wow, okay, and we'd probably be talking because this
is the early nineties, We're probably talking about quite a
lot of money here, because there was a lot of
money floating around and advertising in those days.
Speaker 7 (13:52):
Well, when I think back on it, it certainly seemed
like a lot of money, but I don't actually think
it was. When I sort of when the figures danced
before my eyes, now it's like, was that Like, yeah,
I can't. I couldn't say it because I'm sure that
would be inappropriate to the ad agency involved. But they
certainly got a good deal.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
I think I did.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Okay, okay, but super groove at that stuff. So it
was it was super groove. We're getting a name for
themselves getting around the place. But you had you released
any material, any albums at the stage.
Speaker 7 (14:28):
No albums, but we had released a single, but but
it was I think just in the earliest, earliest stages.
And one of the motivations for doing the ad actually
was that when we tried to book shows up and
down the country, basically the ads were just a flat no,
you know, because we were too young and and touring
(14:49):
bands wasn't really a thing at that time in art.
It was more like nightclubs, you know, so you just
danced to the hits, you know. And so so what
the ad gave us was once it was on air,
the venue, our manager could talk to the venues and
say the ore the guys from the Muncho's ad, and
(15:09):
then the venues like, oh yeah, no, definitely, oh yeah,
get him on Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
A different place in nineties, doesn't that Wow?
Speaker 7 (15:18):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Okay, So the song itself, did you write the song
or did you write the lyrics to the song?
Speaker 7 (15:28):
We wrote the music and I think consulted a little
bit on the you know, the sort of flow of
the rhymes. But but it was written by that agency.
They wrote the sort of script if you.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
Like that, okay, because melman Ninger features in it, which
is kind of weird.
Speaker 2 (15:46):
He was big though in the early nineties he was
one of the biggest sports stars in Australasia.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
Well he was, But if you look at it now,
you wonder, why is melman Ninger featuring?
Speaker 2 (15:55):
Like is he Mancho's Australia?
Speaker 7 (15:58):
Maybe I have no idea, And I didn't know who
he was at the time. Only our drummer knew who
he was because it was so ignorant about sports and stuff.
Speaker 2 (16:08):
Classic drummer. Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 7 (16:11):
And the drummer was like embarrassed of us and meeting Melmaninger.
But for us, it was just some famous sports guy
from some sort of rugby. Didn't know whether it was
like touch or league or rugby union or quite what
he did to play.
Speaker 4 (16:30):
Putting on my alliteration, hat is it because Mancho started
with M and so they got someone with two m's
in their name, someone famous. Jow, that's what I would
have done in the night.
Speaker 7 (16:42):
That's how they think, you know, out there in the
around the boardroom table, I'm putting a lot of ms.
Speaker 5 (16:49):
Michael Jones one, right, yeah, Mike Myers.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
It's an odd it's I've always I remember at the time,
and it was as a super catchy tune, and I
remember at the time was sort of wondering what the
hell Melmanninger was doing in there, but as well, with
the eyebrows, it looked like he was. It was kind
of part of a separate thing, I imagine. And he
delivers his line so flat. It's just such a low
(17:16):
energy line.
Speaker 7 (17:17):
It's it's funny you should say that because he struggled
enormously delivering.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
That life right, I get the sense of that.
Speaker 7 (17:27):
Yeah. And so what we had to do is, because I,
like I said, worked in this recording studio, I had
to actually voice his part as a guide for him
so he could hear me say it. And then he
came in and you know I would say it along
with my recorded version of him saying it. He could
get it. But that was that was definitely the best
(17:49):
take we could get.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
You a little little.
Speaker 7 (17:51):
Spot that he has to the hole in the neliestus
read and it wasn't his favorite thing.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
When you're spoiling for a bike.
Speaker 1 (18:03):
You did pretty well in the end, well, probably thanks
to Carl and his timing.
Speaker 5 (18:08):
And when you're spoiling for a bike, So that was
when you're spoiling for a bite five had five words.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Oh wow, so someone's gone we want melman Ninger in
this ad. We've got super groove, We've got a great
catchy show and we want melman Ninger. We want him
to be the guy who says that he's hungry for
munchos at that particular time. We don't know how well
he can perform, but we want Melmanninger. He's an Australian
Relely League guy. He's not even a New Zealander. Because
(18:38):
did this ad play in Australia as well? Cal do
you know?
Speaker 7 (18:42):
I don't think so, to be honest, because we would
have been a little bit better now in Australia if
it had so. I think it was just local and
there were a couple of models in there as well dancers.
I remember when we did the shoot in the car park,
one of the things that they were very concerned about
is we weren't allowed to speak to or you know,
(19:03):
approach the models in any way. So we had to
sit at the other side of the car park while
they did all their dancing stuff from just sort of
light the other at.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
The side right. Was Mel allowed to approach the models?
Speaker 7 (19:17):
Well, it seemed to be like they were the stars,
you know, like so they were allowed to hang out together,
and we were like just the fresh meat that had
to sort of you know, wrap on demand when yeah,
they shine the light on us.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Okay, so let's get into the lyrics, because this has
always been a bone of content for me, only because
I don't say it says we were hanging loose. We
were working for Bruce. Who the fuck is Bruce?
Speaker 7 (19:48):
Well, it's actually we were hanging loose. It's probably you
can't understand it through our thick American accents that I'm
not sure where they came from, but I think that
was just when we were at that age when you
sort of like you listen to music and it's all
from America and then so it's like I'm going to
make some music and you open your mouth and you
(20:09):
know you're from Wyoming or whatever. So that took us
a while to kind of twigs that we weren't Americans
and then singing our own voices. But anyway, it's we
were hanging loose. When word came from Goose.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
Who's Goose?
Speaker 7 (20:31):
Well, that's an ad agency question. I think their assumption
was Goose is one of this gang of music kids.
Speaker 1 (20:41):
Okay, well, there's a big assumption there came from when
word came from Goose, Okay, well that makes sense because
it's not Bruce. Goose is like, that's exactly what an
aired agency would do. Oh my god, that's so aired agency.
Because as well, I guess top Gun was only top
Gun had only come out what like six years before
(21:01):
then or something ghost from top Gun maybe.
Speaker 7 (21:03):
Oh, is there a Goosen top Gun.
Speaker 1 (21:05):
Yeah, there's a Goose. There's a Goose and top.
Speaker 2 (21:08):
Well, there might be a creative director called Goose because
they did that kind of thing where they would chuck
a little lista eggain. Oh yeah, so something like that.
Speaker 1 (21:14):
But these yeah, so okay, so that when word came
from ghosts there was a rumble going down. Now, when
I was fourteen and I and I first saw the SAD,
I always thought that shay Fou said there was a
zigg as a mucha, but that's not what he said.
(21:35):
And I always thought that was quite a cool line,
although it didn't really make any sense at all. But
I thought there was a ziggers a Much. I thought,
who the hell is ziggers a much? But I didn't
know who Bruce was either, So there was a lot
of assumed knowledge going on. But it turns out it
actually says it was us against the munches.
Speaker 7 (21:51):
Perhaps that's correct. I see again, it's the American accent,
it was. And of course when we do American accent,
you know, they're not recognizable as such two people in America,
for instance, they're just some weird way of speaking. So
so that's yeah, it was us against the monchies.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
It was us against which is quite a hard line
to rap, to be honest, it was us against the munchies.
I think that's quite a hard thing to say, not
for a professional that he's a very good rappers. So
so it goes it was us against the munchies. And
then how does it go? And what's the next?
Speaker 7 (22:30):
Thing? Looked grim.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
And then something the man turned up and said, okay,
let's have a listening again. Okay, here we go. There's
a rumble going down. It was us against the munchies.
Things looked and that's about the time when the man
(22:55):
stepped and I think it says maybe he said and
then he says, when you're spoiling for a bike, great
performance from Melmann.
Speaker 3 (23:03):
Anger, when you're spoiling for a bike.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
Tak this and put your stomach right. That's good stopped
the rumbles, know what I mean, So the rest of them, Yeah,
the rest of it, I look, to be honest, the
drum sound in that still sounds awesome like the bases,
you guys, it's actually it gets better with every listener.
Speaker 7 (23:33):
All Russell is a good, good drummer. He was by
far the most sort of musically skilled member of the band.
But but Joe's bass playing also, And I think of
Joe as being this goose character as how I always sort.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
Of thought of it.
Speaker 7 (23:47):
I think I don't know quite why, but but yeah,
and and and that was just before we started getting
into recording. We were just sort of finding our feet
with our recording skill because I would produce the stuff
and co produce it with Michael Mouseford going on into
the Traction album and stuff, and so yeah, we were
(24:08):
starting to hone our craft. I think on the Munchose Ad, can.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
You answer me a question, cal So, With the success
of malspoken word line inside of the Munchose Ad, did
you take that into having an abundance of plutonic relationships
reminiscent of my man Mike Plato With that line delivered
by Michael Morrissey, I think it was Michael Morrissey. It
(24:33):
sounds like Michael Morrissey.
Speaker 7 (24:36):
Warren Thomas was Warren Thomas Thomas former TV one voice
Warren Thomas.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
Yep, well, there we go. But was that was that
inspired from melm and Inger's performance in Thenchost?
Speaker 7 (24:49):
That's that's a very interesting observation. It's not, but it
could well have been. What it's actually inspired from is
do you remember on The Muppet Show when there was
like they would do surgery.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
And veterinarian surgery whatever are you student just putting?
Speaker 7 (25:12):
During the end of the segment, the voiceover of the
veterinarians whatever would come in and they would all look
up at the ceiling and sort of like, where's that
voice coming from? Yes, that's where the Warren Thomas having
an abundant the tonic relationships for the mist to my man,
Mike Plato, that idea sort of comes from that, and
(25:36):
we just wanted that lyric, and we wanted to give
Plato her first name, and we decided it will be Mike.
Speaker 2 (25:42):
I was going to say, who's Mike?
Speaker 1 (25:44):
Okay, So now now we're digging deep into supergreo of lyrics.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
What I want to know and what I've always wanted
to know ever since my teenage is who were the
Scorpio girls?
Speaker 1 (25:53):
Who were they?
Speaker 7 (25:55):
I'm married to one and she's just in the other room,
so I can't say too much about that, but they,
you know it was they all knew each other back
in the day. And yeah, but you know, good people.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
Okay, Well, thank you, Carl, thanks for talking to us.
Thanks for clearing up some questions around who Goose was.
It wasn't Bruce, I was completely wrong there. Really appreciate it.
And what are you up to at the moment, by
the way, because I know that you've done a lot
of work on soundtracks and stuff of lady, are you
(26:29):
still doing that? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (26:31):
Totally.
Speaker 7 (26:32):
So that's my day to day, was doing film music
and TV music and stuff. And then recently, you know,
super Groove is going to be touring next year in
when is that April, and so that's involved lots of
phone calls and zoom meetings and Google documents and you know,
(26:56):
trying to get a nice set list together and get
it all flow and yeah, and that's been really fun.
So a bit of Super Groove stuff as well for
a change.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Oh, that's exciting. And you guys are Troy Kingey I
see as well and Kin Kapisi. So has that been
fun to get back with Shay again. You guys had
an amazing chemistry. It's quite remarkable. Actually we hear your
two voices working together. They're so different, but they work
so well together. Still sounds great.
Speaker 7 (27:26):
Yeah. No, he has the voice of an angel and
I have the voice of a tiny demon.
Speaker 6 (27:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (27:33):
No, it has been great. It's always wonderful working with Shay.
And it's funny when you get on stage together or
in the practice room because just that muscle memory kicks
and of what you did show after show, tour after tour,
and yeah, as long as the muscles are actually still functioning,
then the muscle memory serves quite well.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
Yeah. But also there's a magic there and you will
understand all about that as a musician, but you can
hear it as a list. Now, there's a magic there
and either there's either a magic or there's not a magic,
and there's definitely a magic going on there.
Speaker 7 (28:06):
Oh, that's awesome. Our cheer as well. It all started
with the manchos.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
You amazing, Carl Stephen, thank you so much. That really
appreciate it. Good on you so good. Oh, that's very good. Well,
it's good to clear that up, wasn't it. Yeah?
Speaker 2 (28:21):
I didn't know they made their first kind of major release,
was there.
Speaker 5 (28:24):
I presumed that that super Groove had released an album
and then that agency said come and right, come and
sing the song.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Yeah, because your high profile. But not the other way around.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
But you know the annoying thing that agency will be
claiming that the success of super Groove was based on them.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
Yeah, there's an agency out there that claimed they started
the acc.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Wow, this is the thing. Agency agencies will claim a
lot of.
Speaker 2 (28:47):
Stuff, totally, totally.
Speaker 5 (28:48):
I forgot to ask them the question to that where
they got a lot of shit for doing it, But
since they didn't really have a profile, they wouldn't have
because my assumption was that they, like I said, they
had a big song and then they did this and
the other artists would have gone fucking sellouts just because
they were jealous. All that's what happens jazz. And also
this happens every year in New Zealand. Ad agencies every
(29:08):
year of radio station will get sent a song written
for a client. Good example of Sweety Boy, you know,
the Mountain Dew one and they go, can you edit
to your playlist?
Speaker 2 (29:19):
We want it to go to number one?
Speaker 1 (29:21):
No?
Speaker 6 (29:22):
Like?
Speaker 2 (29:22):
Why not? Like because it's an ad and they're like,
every year every year an agency goes, we'll write this song,
they'll add it to the playlist. It'll go number one.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
It'd be great, we'll get an excess award. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
Every year, every year they come and haven't got the song?
Do you reckon? You could edit to the playlist? No,
fuck off? Every year. It's so funny you can predict
it will be incoming, like, here's the brief that song
can be playing on the radio.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
That's good to know. As well as Supergroove with reforming,
and they were incredibly popular. I mean for guys that
were as young as they were. Cal seven. He talks
himself down, but he was the creative force behind Super Groove,
I'm told from p who are involved. And he understood
the way it all. He wasn't just the voice of
(30:04):
a devil thing and that he was.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
He's very, very clever, very beastie boys, isn't it.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (30:09):
Yeah boys.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
They would have been big fans of from their fifteen
minutes we just spent with Carl. He's sounds like a
terrific man as well, really nice guy funny. Yep, no,
I think at the time. I mean they were huge
that that album is saying. Traction was absolutely massive.
Speaker 5 (30:24):
Time I saw them in London, remembering Taste New Zealand
was on in London and it was just basically excuse
for a bunch of keys to get together and behave terribly.
Speaker 2 (30:32):
They played over there.
Speaker 5 (30:33):
That would would have been in kind of I don't know,
early early two thousands, two thousand and two maybe, and
they it was loose. It was loose as a ghost.
They were on tour over in England, just running a mark.
Speaker 1 (30:45):
They were working for ghosts. Their live shows had so
much I mean they had about a million people on stage,
so much going on, all of them, great musicians, full horns,
the full works, and as a result, the gags are
massive amounts of ennery.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
Yeah, it was it was caught, That's where it was.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
It was caught.
Speaker 2 (31:02):
And yeah we watched.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
Supergroup, Yeah great Underground Station.
Speaker 4 (31:06):
I don't I don't mean to bring the mood down.
I didn't want to say this when Carl was still
on the phone because I didn't want to question as
artistic integrity. But I couldn't help. But note that near
the end of that song one of my pet hates,
they've rhymed the same word with the same word. Oh really,
so they've got Damnco's taste real mean and then it's
you know what I mean, So they've rhyned mean with mean,
(31:28):
which I hate.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
What a professional though, like he could get delivered some
other people's lyrics and deliver them as well as they did. Like,
it's quite impressive considering they weren't. They weren't lyrics that
came naturally to him. It's quite impressive that it's highly
I think it went on. I think they played that
for about three or four years. The fact that I
know all of the words to it, it means I
(31:49):
was watching way too much TV, which is possibly true.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
Well everyone did. There was only one channel, yeah so,
and there was there was nothing else much to do that, and.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
The big taste always gets through. The big taste always
gets to what about the bow peers head with Jayla
guyer Vince.
Speaker 4 (32:07):
And along came there, Oh yeah, snow, welcome Jaylor Guy
sing that he as the truck driver as the ear
starts coming out of the tire. Interesting and then it
burbled a bit, oh no, not the bubbly bit, and
then it wabbled a bit oh no, no.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
No, and then here comes the thing that's the bursty thing,
and then it was that was really annoying that song
that wasn't so what about He's your Mobile man? That
there was sung by someone that I spoke to recently?
Speaker 2 (32:42):
What about a lineman for the county? That one which
is what?
Speaker 1 (32:44):
What was that for? For Telecom?
Speaker 4 (32:47):
For the.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
I'm into still around?
Speaker 1 (32:51):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (32:52):
Man, if they brought that song out again, I reckon,
I go great guns.
Speaker 1 (32:55):
Still sounds good? That still sounds good melded to another performance.
Speaker 5 (33:00):
I didn't know that was Melmoaninger. And because I hadn't
when you bought up this ad, I haven't seen the ad.
It's obviously on YouTube and Melmourninger's delivering that line. If
you played that to me a thousand times, I wouldn't.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
Have guessed it that someone obviously had a wide on
for league.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
Oh yeah, massively.
Speaker 1 (33:16):
I wanted to.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
It would have been classic.
Speaker 5 (33:18):
Agency would have been a craft drink who wanted to
meet Melmanoger, a huge fant just get him over.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
How much they paid him for that? Probably like one
hundred thousand if.
Speaker 5 (33:25):
He asked Melmaninger he is. He's the coach of the
Aussie rugby league team. So any if we play Australia
in this Pacific Nation's final, let's request to talk to
Melmoanninger and play him that ad and he's great new
ye and asking him before yeah, and ask him can
you remember recording this ad?
Speaker 2 (33:45):
And he might go yeah or no, no.
Speaker 1 (33:48):
I have no mea and he probably never He probably
never saw it if I was in New Zealand.
Speaker 5 (33:52):
Yeah that's true, right, Okay, good guys, stuff. So were
you going to address the hugging from behind him that
kept on Monday?
Speaker 1 (34:00):
Should we do that?
Speaker 7 (34:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (34:02):
Yeah, there gives you plenty of time to put that
in the bank for the weekend.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
Excuse me, I can still feel it, all right?
Speaker 2 (34:09):
Okay, this looks like you just did a come.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
I was aroused.
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