Rod Arquette Show - Dems Deny Talk of Replacing Biden; Conversation w/Mike Lee; 10 Commandments in School,Yes/No

Rod Arquette Show Daily Rundown – Tuesday, June 25, 2024

4:20 pm: Alexander Bolton, a Reporter for The Hill, joins Rod to discuss how Senate Democrats are expressing frustration over talk of replacing Joe Biden as the party’s presidential nominee before or during the Democratic National Convention.

4:38 pm: Senator Mike Lee joins Rod for a conversation about the state’s congressional races and the importance of today’s state primary election.

6:05 pm: Kristen Ullman, President of the Eagle Forum, joins Rod for a conversation about her piece in The Federalist about it being time to bring the Ten Commandments back to the public square.

6:20 pm: Noah Rothman, Senior Writer for National Review, joins the program for a conversation about what both the Biden and Trump campaigns are doing to manage expectations for Thursday’s debate.

6:38 pm: Dr. Ron Faucheux, Chief Analyst at Certus Insights, joins Rod to discuss his piece for Real Clear Politics about how most political debates aren’t won, but lost.

Episode Transcript

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Hello everybody. Hello you tah sogood to be with you on this very
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Democrats. They you know, manyDemocratic leaders are now frustrated over this talk
of replacing Joe Biden on the ticket. They say there's no plan in place
to do that, and they justwish the medium and even fellow Democrats would
quit talking about Joe Biden and replacinghim on the ticket. We'll get into

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that Abby, As she mentioned inher newscast a moment a moment ago,
our conversation with Mike Lee about theprimary today and his thoughts on it.
An interesting article written in the columnwritten by Gordon Monson in the Assaultlate Tribune
a couple of days ago. Theygot my attention, raises an interesting question.
But I'm gonna put a bit ofa twist on it today, and

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I'll need your help. We'll dothat in the five o'clock hour. A
little bit later on, we'll talkabout the debate over the Ten Commandments going
back into schools in Louisiana, andwe'll talk more about the debate and whatne
each side needs to do in preparationfor the debate on Thursday night, the
CNN Presidential Debate. So, likeI said, a lot to get to.
Oh, we also have let memention this. We also have another

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win tickets to see Hoody and theBlowfish and Edwin McCain a collective soul in
concert on July eleventh. All Right, interesting stories today, they just can't
help themselves. There are two storiesout there today about people being very concerned
about Joe Biden and his reelection effortsin November. Former President Barack Obama is

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reportedly story today getting nervous about thetwenty four election, and it's become apparently
becoming increasingly involved in Joe Biden's campaign. I don't think he's been involved in
it since Joe Biden was elected.Now one, you know, you have
to wonder why Obama is so heavilyinvested in making sure that Joe Biden wins.

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Now. Democrats in general seem absolutelyterrified. I don't know what it
is about a Donald Trump win.Are they worried that all the horrible things
they have done to Trump will beexposed to the public. Who knows.
But apparently Barack Obama is now gettingheavily involved in Joe Biden's re election campaign
again. According to the New Yorkmagazine, Obama's involvement reportedly began after biden

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campaign officials realized late last year thatthey would be facing Donald Trump again.
The story goes on to say thatTrump has about two to three chants of
completing the greatest political comeback in Americanpolitics, and economists model forecast in June.
Now this from New York magazine fromBarack Obama. As he has become

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more plugged in to Biden's political thinking. Obama speaks more often with O'Malley Dylan,
the campaign's chair and function functionally itsexecutive, including about biden efforts to
target hard to persuade young and blackvoters. That's why he's being brought into
this campaign. At the same time, operatives in Obama's personal office coordinate with

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Biden's campaign to make sure that Obamais in the loop on all the campaign
updates. Now, I've got atheory on this, and here's why.
Here's why I think he's getting involved. Yeah, I think he's bored.
I think he loves the campaign.He loves the adulation. I'm talking about
Barack Obama. I think he realizesa lot of his buddies, people who

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work for him in his administration,are now working for Joe Biden. Heavily
influenced all the policy moves that JoeBiden has made over the past three years,
and he does not want to stopwhat he promised the American people when
he is elected that he would transformAmerica into a different country. And that's

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what he's been doing. That's whatJoe Biden has been doing. There's a
brief interruption in that effort during Donald'sTrump efforts, but now that Biden is
in the White House, all ofBarack Obama's former employees are working for Joe
Biden, and he does not wantto see that separation or that transformation stopped.

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That's why I think he is gettinginvolved in this campaign right now.
Now, guess who else name hasshown up in the effort to help Joe
Biden. Are you're ready for this? Hillary Clinton? Writing in the New
York Times today an editorial piece,she is offering advice to Joe Biden about
what to do when it comes tothe campaign. As a matter of fact,

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she says, look, I've debatedyou, and she has. I've
debated Donald Trump and she has,and she offers some advice to Joe Biden.
So here you have it again,folks. I think my opinion is
this is just another indication as totwo things. How desperate the Democrats are

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to hold on to power. Andthey are desperate, how desperate they are
to hold on to power. Sothey're going to pull out all of the
big guns to do whatever they canto make sure Donald Trump is not back
into the White House next January.That's part of it. Plus they're protecting
their buddies. That's what this isall about. They do the Donald Trump

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is so in their head still,which really does crack me up, still
in their heads that they will doanything they can to prevent him from becoming
president a second time. So youhave all that out there. Oh,
by the way, I want toplay this back for you. Remember this.

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This happened yesterday on CNN. Itwas a conversation between the host of
the CNN Morning News, Catsie Huntand Caroline Levitt, who was a spokesman
for the Donald Trump campaign. Rememberthis, So it takes someone five minutes
to google Jake Tapper Donald Trump tosee that Jake Tapper has made filter.
Ma'am, I'm going to stop.If you'm stating to attack my colleagues.

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I would like to talk about you, Biden and Donald Trump, who you
work for? Yes, if youare here on his behalf and I will
have this conversation. I am statingfacts that your colleagues have stated in the
past. Now I'm sorry, We'regoing to come backtation. Caroline, thank
you very much for your time.You are welcome to come back at any
point. She is welcome to comeback and speak about Donald Trump. And

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Donald Trump will have equal time toJoe Biden when they both join us now
at next early later this week inAtlanta for this debate. Boy, they
were I mean, can't say homewas really rattled by all of this.
Of course, all over our colleaguesare coming to their aid. But then
you have this story out today.There's a pull out today that with the

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twenty voters are very skeptical that JakeTapper and Dana Bash heading into the debate
will be fair and objective with DonaldTrump. I mean, it's pretty amazing.
A national poll take in what theend of May. CNN will host
the first general election general debate onJune twenty seventh, moderated by Jake Tapper

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and Dana Bash What is your opinion? And the response was about forty five
percent people view him favorably, thirtysix percent say uh huh, we are
not comfortable with this at all.So it's kind of interesting as we get
ready for this debate tomorrow, eventhe American people are saying, wait a
minute, guys, we don't thinkhe's going to get a fair shake.

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So it's going to be interesting towatch. Of course, we'll have complete
reaction to that coming up on Friday, following the debate on Thursday night.
Boy, this has been discussed forquite some time, and I know my
partner in crime, my wingman,Greg Hughes, believes that Joe Biden will
not be the Democratic nominee when wevote in November. Things the Democrats are

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going to be forced to make achange. But there are a lot of
Democratic leaders now who are getting sickand tired of answering questions about Joe Biden
and he will he be on theticket or will they replace him? Joining
us on our news make a lineto talk about that is Alex Bolton,
a reporter at the Hill. Alexsayings for joining us, there's a lot
of talk out there. How frustratedare some Democratic leaders about that talk?

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Well, they're really exasperated because thestory, your speculation that Democrats need to
come up with a plan B forBiden, either at the convention in Chicago
or sometimes with the general election.That just won't go away. And that
speculation is fueled by polling the showsthat seventy three percent of voters think that

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Joe Biden is too old to bean effective president. In sixty one percent
of people who voted for Biden intwenty twenty think he's too old to be
an effective president. So that's whyyou keep on seeing these stories pop up
in the press, whether it's Politicoor The Hill or Washington posts saying that
either the Democrats need to replace Bidenon the ticket or they need to replace

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Tomala Harris on the ticket because youknow, she's just not viewed as ready
for prime time, and that maybehe's brought in someone who's more credible voters
whould feel more comfortable voting for Bidendespite despite his age. How much are
the polls playing into this discussion,alex Well, I think the polls are
really driving a discussion because on twofronts. Number one, you know,

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Senate Democratic candidates and also House Democraticcandidates seem to be well poised for the
November election. And that is despiteJoe Biden's problems. So Biden is trailing
Trump in several battleground states. There'sno poll out today from Nevada showing that
Trump is ahead of Biden in Nevada, which has the state that Biden carried.

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That's a critical state for Biden tobe re elected. And so the
fact you have Democrats down ballot outperforming the president underscores to many Democrats that,
in fact, you know, Biden'sproblems are are specific to you know,
to him as a candidate, specificto his age, specific to his

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low approval ratings. And so thatthen raises the option, well, if
Biden's the problem in terms of hisown reelection, if he personally more so
than let's say the economy or theissue matrix out there, then maybe we
do need to replace him. Theproblem is, and this is why the
Democrats centers I spoke to her soexasperated. They say it's just not realistic

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to replace Biden. They say there'sno alternative. So they really wish that
Democratic donors and also the media wouldjust drop this plan based speculation, but
it continues to be persistent. Howdid they explain the quote Senior moments that
Will will pop up with Biden occasionallyseem to be more They occur more often

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than they used to. I mean, how did they explain the way or
do they even talk about him?Well, usually when you ask him about
you know, Biden, you know, freezing up for instance, you know
they get they get pretty defensive aboutit. And you know, I was
in an interview last week with ChrisCoons, who's the co chairman of the
Biden campaign. I mean, hewas asked about you know, Biden freezing
up, and you know he just, you know, he really got annoyed

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with that line of questioning and saidthat, you know, basically argue that
you know, Biden remains very sharpand that you know, this is just
sort of the media cherry picking stuff, and that he's fully confident that Biden
is going to win the debate laterthis week. And so when I took

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to other Democrats, whether it's Sebbiestabinout Michigan or Richard blumensal, who have
been with Biden, either in Michiganor at the D Day ceremonies in France,
you know, they really insist thatwhen they're with Biden, you know,
he's very much with it and he'ssharp, and he doesn't seem to
be you know, in a fogor wandering about. And so you know,
of course, the White Houses,you know, claim that these clips

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you mentioned of Biden appearing lost atmoments when there's that moment recently where Barack
Obama had to guide him off here, to guide him off a stage at
a fundraiser. They say these arecherry picked moments on video. And so,
you know, it's it's hard toknow as someone who you know,
doesn't have if you're a voter athome, you don't have day to day

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interaction with the president, it's hardto judge exactly you know, what's happening
here, Alex. There is areport out there today that Barack Obama is
playing an increasingly stronger role in thecampaign for Joe Biden. Could that be
an indication of worry, some worryon the part of the Democrats, You
know, I think I think absolutelythey're concerned because you look at the polls,

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Biden's losing, and you know,that's it's very different from twenty twenty
when Biden at this point in therace was ahead of Trump. Now behind
Trump, and of course you knowthat race in twenty twenty was still very
close in some of the battleground states. Biden won the popular vote by a
lot, but the battleground states arequite close. So the fact that he
is trailing now is real cause forconcern for Democrats. And you know,

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the reason why I think Obama isgetting more involved here is that a critical
group are Black Americans, especially blackmales. Are they going to turn out
for Biden? Are they going tovote for Biden? President Trump is trying
to reach out to that group,trying to peel some black voats away from
Biden. And that's a real criticalconstituency. If you recall back in twenty

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sixteen, one of the big reasonsSilokland did not beat Trump is because the
black boat in Wayne County, Michigan, in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, and in
Milwaukee, Wisconsin did not turn outto the levels the Democrats expected. That's
one of the reasons why she lost. So if the black vote, you
know, stays home or doesn't turnout with the same enthusiasm for Biden as
does in twenty twenty, and there'ssome indication that it won't, that's real

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problem for the president's re election effort. Final question, the debate coming up
later this week. If Joe Bidenperforms as well as he did in the
State of the Union, will thiscalm down any speculation? And what if
he doesn't do as well as hedid at the State of the Union,
where does this discussion then go?Do you think alex Well I talked to
centators about this last week and RichardBlueminthalf kind of get says that the debate

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is going to be a critical momentin this race. And so, you
know, Biden had a very strongState of the Union performance. It really
quieted the chatter, the media storiesabout his age. It kind of put
that story on the backburner for afew months. It's now kind of come
back into the spotlight. And sothe president delivers a tour de force performance

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like some of his allies say heis capable of. I think that will
quiet you know, some of thehandwringing concerns speculation about whether he is truly
viable in the general election. Butof course, if Biden has a senior
moment or you know, makes agap or has a bad stumble, I

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mean, that's really going to setthis speculation about you know, Biden's viabuilding
the general election. It's really goingto light that on fire Thursday. Is
going to be so interesting to watch. Alex. Thank you Alex Bolton.
He is a Capitol Hill reporter withThe Hill talking about the Democrats and their
efforts to deny any talk about replacingJoe Biden, Rod or Ken't you.
It rolls along on this Tuesday righthere on Utah's Talk Radio one oh five

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nine k NRS. Jody, that'snow as Utah Senator Mike Lee. Mike,
great to have you on this show. Mike, this is a primary.
I haven't seen anything like this before. A lot of money being spent
on this primary, and a lotof candidates involved in this year's primary.
What are some of your initial thoughtson this primary election day. Yeah,
it's a big primary. There area lot of open seats, there are

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a lot of other seats that areclose, and we've got a very active
group of voters who are going tomake sure that they get out and vote
for their candidates. But this isdefinitely an exciting year and I think there
will be some tight races. Let'stalk about some of the candidates you've endorsed.
First, Let's look at that secondCongressional District race you endorse Colby Jenkins.

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Why, Mike, Kobe Jenkins isa hero. He's a Green Beret
decorated with years of service. Hesaved lives defending American's prerogatives around the world.
He's got a sound understanding of theConstitution and a willingness to stand up
to the DC power base and pushback on the swamp, to firm the
uniparty, all the things that we'vecome to associate with the federal government that's

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too big, too expensive, andtoo unresponsive to the people while perpetuating a
thirty five trillion dollar debt. He'sdoing really well in this race, and
I'm very excited about his prospects.I expect him to win, but it's
going to be close, and soI encourage all within the sound of my
voice. If you live in thesecond Congressional District and haven't voted yet,
please get out and vote for Colbytoday. Mike, when you announce that

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right before the convention on the show, you said you were breaking with tradition,
something you hadn't done in the past, but you felt it was very
important to do so. Now whynow, why was it important to change
what you normally have not done inthe past. You know, I think
it has to do with the factthat we were facing now number one,
thirty five trillion dollar debt. Numbertwo, We've got a House of Representatives

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in which we've had two omnibus spendingbills just in the last few months,
passed in a Republican controlled House ofRepresentatives with mostly Democratic votes. This just
a few months after the Republican controlledHouse, after passing a really good debt
sealing increase Bill one that contained hugespending and regulatory reforms, they back down

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from that and passed basically a wishlist for the Democrats. And the margins
on our ability to survive economically asa country and to thrive are just too
tight right now. We can't affordto take chances, especially with Republicans who
are willing to vote with Democrats topast priorities favored by a majority of Democrats

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in a Republican controlled House. We'vegot to have a new approach. Mike,
why way into the second district andnot the other congressional races, including
the Senate race. I haven't heardyou endorse other candidates there? Why not?
Yeah? Okay, So as tothe second district. That's one of
the races I weighed in on.Another one was the third congressional district where

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I live. I live in Provo, and I'll be voting for Mike Kennedy.
Mike Kennedy is also a strong,solid constitutional conservative. He's got a
soundtrack record in the Utah legislature.I mean somebody I've come to know and
trust. Used to live just acouple of blocks from him, and he's
a longtime friend. But more importantly, he's a valiant public servant, somebody

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who understands limits on government power,particularly federal power. As for the Senate
race, I've never endorsed in aprimary in the Senate race. Reasons for
that that have to do with thefact that whoever ends up winning, there
will be somebody else work closely withover the next six years, and ordinarily
it's best for me to stay outthose Mike, what about you know?

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Was it? Did you consider ita political risk to change what you've done
in the past and express your supportfor a candidate before going into the convention?
Was there a risk there in youropinion? And why did you feel
you had to take that risk?You bet there was a risk. Absolutely,
there was there is. I tookthat risk anyway, because I've come

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to believe that the risks facing usas a people, as Americans, as
Utahns are simply too high for meto, you know, just defer to
doing what's comfortable for me. Thereare certain circumstances where we need to stand
up, even where that can presentsome difficulty and some political risk, and

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I was willing to take that inthis race. We'll see, hopefully tonight
whether that hands out and how exactlyshakes out. But I am guardedly optimistic
it's going to be a close race. But that's why I'm encouraging everybody in
the second Congressional district. If youhaven't voted yet, come out and vote
for Kold Jenkins. If you livein the third Comngressional district, come out
and vote for Mike Kennedy. I'vealso endorsed Derek Brown in the Attorney General's

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race. I Derek for close tothirty years. He and I worked together
practicing law. He's served on mySenate staff. He's a terrific friend,
a fine human being, and alsoa conservative warrior and an extremely good lawyer.
Somebody that our state could benefit from. Mike. You've seen the articles
that you're trying to remake the RepublicanParty with your decision on Colby Jenkins making

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more reflection of the Maga Republicans insteadof moderate Republicans. Is that what you're
trying to do. No, that'snonsense. Look, I'm not trying to
remake anything. I'm weighing in ona few races to express mike view as
to which candidate it would best servethe voters of the state of Utah.
And I'm also focusing in on whatit is that we're doing to improve the

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Republican Party, what it is thatwe're doing to improve government, especially the
US government. I have defined viewson that and they are consistent with the
platform of the Utah Republican Party.So not trying to remake anything, trying
to select the candidate who best reflectswhat our party is, what it can
become, and how best to exercisethe sort of discipline that we ought to

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have as Republican office holders, especiallyin Congress, where we make and keep
promises relative to what we will andwe'll vote for in Congress. I want
to ask you about Thursday, ofcourse, the presidential to be coming up
on Thursday. Mike, what advicewould you give President Trump as he heads
into that what some people are callingit a three on one debate because it's
on CNN. What advice would youoffer President Trump as he heads in that

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debate on Thursday. Number one,I would tell to see it as a
three on one debate, There's noquestion about that. Number Two, talk
about others and not himself. NumberThree, anticipate and just accept the fact
that Joe Biden will, in allprobability have received the questions well in advance
that will be asked during the debate. Has happened on that same network with

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Candy Crowley just a few years agoand another presidential debate, and so but
all that said, I think he'sgoing to handle himself well, even though
the decks, by all conventional measuringsex would seem to be suggesting that this
would be a challenging moment for DonaldTrump. He's well up to the task

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and Joe Biden is not, andso he's going to walk in there with
confidence. And if he follows thosebasic principles that I've outlined, I think
he's going to do great. YouJoss Under Mike Lee joining us on our
newsmaker line talking about the primary electionday it is today. Don't forget poles
open until eight o'clock tonight. Aswell. In California, another one bites

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the dust. A long standing SanFrancisco McDonald's franchise has closed down thirty years
after thirty years, because of CaliforniaGovernor Gavin Newsom's new twenty dollars minimum wage
law. The Stonestown gallerya McDonald's becamea casualty of the economy on Sunday,
franchise owner Scott Rotick telling a localtelevision station that it was a gut wrenching

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day for him and his family.Roddick said the closure was related to being
unable to now negotiate reasonable rent withthe building's landlords, taxes, and the
state's new twenty dollars fast food minimumwage. So another one bites the dust
in California because of that minimum wagelaw. Ah Pete is back at again.

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And you know the People for theEthical Treatment of Animals, Well,
they have a new campaign out thereto today. The campaign will persuade people
to stop having sex with meat eatingmen. After a study found a large
gender gap in vegan diets, aspokesman for Peter Releaves the statement, explaining

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the campaign, Pete urges lovers everywhereto ditch deadly meat and men who eat
meat you should not have sex withthem anymore. That's according to pet only
in America today. All right,now, when we come back, interesting
conversation I want to have with youin the five o'clock hour. There is
an article out a couple of daysago. I saw this may have even

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been in the Sunday newspaper. Yeah, would have been in Sunday or Saturday's
newspaper, written by Gordon Monson.Now, Gordon Monson and I we've talked
about his column before, but thisone has to deal with Latter day Saints,
members of the Church of Jesus Christof Latter day Saints, and how
on earth they could vote for DonaldTrump. I'm gonna take a different angle

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on this one. I want totalk about this. I've heard this question
come up before, and that's whyI want to talk to you about it
tonight. But I want to takea different approach on this tonight. Gordon
Monson is a columnist with the SoulLake Tribune, and in the past we've
talked about the columns that Monson writes, some we like, others we don't

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like, and we take issue withthem. But this column caught my attention.
It was in the Tribune, Ithink, over the weekend, and
it asked the question. And thiscomes up occasionally, and I hear it
from people. Sometimes they ask me, they ask other people, but they
say, how can a member ofthe Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day

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Saints vote for Donald Trump? Howmany of you heard that question? How
many of you have had people comeup to you and ask you that very
question if you're a member of theLDS faith. And he goes through a
list of challenges, a list ofthings that Donald Trump has done, and

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then ask, you know, fora person who has allegedly done all these
nasty, horrible things. And theleaders of your church, the LDS church,
ask you to vote for people whoare ethical, who are upstanding people.
How that on earthed could you votefor this guy? That's what this
basically comes down to. I mean, I'll just read a little bit of

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the list of grievances against Donald Trump. He says he is a politician who
broke the law in paying off aporn star to keep her quiet about an
alleged affair so he could better hischances of getting elected the first time around.
He is a politician who has foundguilty of falsifying business records, a

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politician who was found liable and finefor sexual abuse and for defaming the victim
in the case. A man whofaces other serious charges in looming legal showdowns.
A man who still claims, withno real evidence, that the last
election was stolen from him. Aman who some believe inside it an attack

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on the US Capitol and did littleto stop it as a means of interfering
with the rightful transition of the presidencyafter that election. Now he goes on
to say, you know, inall the teachings and learnings of the Olds
Church, there are provisions made andencouragement laid out for supporting. Are their

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provisions, he says, of encouragementlaid out of supporting people like that.
He says, I get it.Nobody is perfect, none of us are.
But he says, this is imperfect. And then he poses this interesting
question. I'm just wondering if churchauthorities interviewed a member who had displayed the

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kind of conduct that Donald Trump hasdisplayed, would they feel comfortable calling that
person to be a bishop, ora relief siety president or even a deacon's
corm advisor. Now, I don'twant to go in that direction because you
know I I disagree with what GordonMonson is saying here, because you know
I have different opinions of Donald Trump. You know, and again the leadership

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of the Church of Jesus Christ ofLatter day Saints who ask that you know
it's followers vote for candidates who showchrist like love and civility in political discourse.
And he ends it by saying theanswer for the initial question by ignoring
the principles in which they say theybelieve. That's why they vote for Donald

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Trump. That's his contingent. SoI have a couple of questions for you
on this tonight. Are you ignoringthe principles that you believe in when you
vote for Donald Trump? Are youignoring those? But I want to go
I want to expand that a littlebit more with you tonight. I want
to open up the phones to youbecause I want to come in Now.

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I just read you a list ofissues that Gordon Monson believes should tell members
of the LDS faith or any religiousorganization that believes in electing people with christ
like love and political civility. Wouldyou you know these are the grievances and

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why you shouldn't vote for somebody likethis. And as I mentioned, okay,
you've got a politician who broke thelaw and paying off a porn star
to keep her quiet about an allegedaffair so he could win an election.
He goes through that list. SoI need your help tonight in putting a
list together about the characteristics of JoeBiden. And why would anybody, be

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it member of the LDS faith orany other religion, vote for Joe Biden
because of the things that he hasdone. So I want to outline those
as well a list of things thatJoe Biden has done that would prevent you
from voting for him. Okay,that list could be long. It's longer

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than the list of Donald Trump,if you want my opinion. So I
want to get your ideas and Iwant to get your thoughts on if you're
going against your basic principles, ifyou're going to vote for a man like
Donald Trump because he's such a nastyman according to some people out there,
very judgmental, aren't we all righteight eight eight five seven eight zero one

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zero triple eight five seven eight zeroone zero. Or on your cell phone
you can dial pound two to fiftyand simply say, hey Rod, but
let's have a lively discussion on thistonight because this question does come up.
How can members of the LDS churchvote for Donald Trump? Eight eight eight
five seven eight zero one zero tripleeight five seven eight zero one zero,
Or on your cell phone, dialpound two to fifty and simply say,

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hey Rod, we'll get to yourcalls and comments coming up here on the
Rod Arque Show. Again, areminder today is primary election day, so
make sure you vote today in theprimary election. Polls are open until eight
o'clock tonight. Gordon Monson, acolumnist at The Tribune, had this article
over the weekend about how can amember of the Church of Jesus Christ of
Latter day Saints vote for Donald Trump? And he lists a number of things

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as to why people shouldn't vote forhim, as he indicates he this,
according to Monson, a politician whobrought the law and paying off a porn
star. Politician found guilty on thirtyfour counts of falsifying business records a politician
who was found liable and fine forsexual abuse. He goes on and on
with a list, so you canrespond to the question. But I think
we should put a list together ofthings that Joe Biden has done and why

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you shouldn't vote for him either orDonald Trump. You make up your mind
eight eight eight five seven eight zeroone zero, or on your cell phone,
dial pound two fifty and say hey, rod to the phones we go.
We begin him far West with MarkTonight here on the rod Ark Kent
Show. High Mark, Hey,God. First of all, I think
we always got to remember, youknow, Gordon Monson was a talk show

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a radio talk show host. Sothere's serious levels, not real high Wait
a minute, Mark, are youattacking talk shows? Are you taking a
shot? A shot? Mark?I mean, like, what let's see
I can do, Gordon Monson,it's Paul well Be. Why you get
beat by Utah? Will you tellit beat by week? I mean,
that's the level of deep thought thatgoes into this guy. Let's start at

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the beginning. They're real. Let'stake the real question if you believe it,
and abortion is not really my strongissue. Sixty million babies have been
aborted Mike Lee didn't stop it.Romney didn't stop it, McCain didn't stop
it. None of the Bushes stoppedit. Reagan didn't stop it. Who
stopped it? So, if youactually believe in what you're talking about,

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how many babies did? Did theDobb's decision safe? And that's Trump?
So if if there's a hierarchy ofI believe baby deaths are probably rankeder than
porn star sex yep. And soit's just a cheap, stupid shop.
Where was Gordon Monson as Barack Obamawas drone in American citizens? Yep?

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Where was he when he was runningguns into Mexico getting border guards killed?
True? We found out this weekendon CBS sixty minutes. The Bushes knew
that Saudi Arabia hit us with nineto eleven. They hit it, they
buried it. It's been buried fordecades. We went to wars with other
countries. How many Utah kids gotkilled, chewed up and spit out for

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a guy that a moral guy bushedin Sleep of the porn Star? Well,
what's worse? Yeah? Yeah,good points. Mark. All Right,
We've got a lot of calls,so I want to move through as
many calls as I can. Let'sgo to Robin here on the rod Ar
Cancho, Rob, thanks for joiningus tonight, Robin, Hi, Ron,
I just want to say that hewithout Finn cap the first stone and

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what is the crime? I guessso mad when I think of him,
Biden. What did he do withthe border? How many people have been
raped, killed, and family separatedbecause of his border policy? And it's
just crazy. He's the Biden crimefamily. And how could a member of
the Church of Jesus Christ of theLatter day Saints vote for Biden? That's

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my question. A good point.I don't know how they could to be
real, honest, I mean,we're just starting a list. We've got
abortion and border. So far,we've got the Biden family making money,
influence, peddling. Those are theallegations. Anyone bringing those up. Let's
go to Lisa, who's on Ififteen tonight here on the rod Ar Kanchill.
Hi, Lisa, how are yougood? I wanted to bring up

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the other ones like abortion in thattoo. But how many lies is Biden
told? I mean he's plagiarized.How many speeches over his life he lied
about his first wife? How shedied, so what about that? Also,
Harry Reid was supposedly a good LDS. Did he stand up on the
floor of the Senate and lie aboutme at Romney paying taxes? And when
he when asked about it, hesaid, well, I do it again.

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So he's mostly good LDS two andhe lied, and he's a Democrat
and he voted for abortion how manytimes too. So yeah, I I'll
vote for Trump one hundred percent.He's not perfect, but you know,
and half of those allegations Manson liftedare fake because everybody does what he did
in his business and everything else.So yep, that's what I wanted to

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say. All right, Lisa,thank you and thank you for saying that.
Let's go to Kevin in South Jordantonight here on the rodar Kencho Kevin,
how are you? Thanks for joiningus tonight. I'm doing really well.
The only thing I can say isthe first thing I want mister Gordon
Manson to do is if he can, if he can face the same scrutiny
that Trump has and come out squeakyclean, I'd like to see that happen.

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First. The best thing I'd liketo see happen is where did Biden
get all his money? That's Americantaxpayer money that he has through Ukraine and
China and other places. That's ourmoney. He has our money. Yeah,
you're exactly right. Now, I'mthat's it. I'm good with that.
Yeah, all right, Kevin,thank you. You know, you're

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absolutely right. What a member ofthe Senate makes a what one hundred and
seventy four thousand dollars a year Ibelieve, and they do have a budget
as well to pay for staff andeverything else. But remember, Joe Biden's
been in the Senate for what fortyseven years before he you know, before
he left to become Barack Obama's VPcandidate. And that's what frustrates so many

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Americans. We send people back torepresent us, not to become filthy rich.
And now you have Joe Biden withtwo or three homes. How on
earth does that happen? You know, you think about that as well.
All right, We've got a lotof people who want to weigh in on
this tonight. We're talking about thequalities of Joe Biden and why we shouldn't

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vote for him. You know,Gordon Monson listed all the negatives about Donald
Trump, what about the negatives ofJoe Biden eight eight eight five seven oh
eight, Zerod one zero or onyour cell phone, dile pound two fifty
and say hey, Rod, moreare your calls and comments coming out?
Let's go to West Valley and talkwith rich tonight on the rod Ar Kent
Show. Hi Rich, Hi Rod, how you doing? Longtime listener and

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a great fan of the talk radioshow hosts. Thank you, thank you,
thank you. What are your thoughtson this? Rich? You know
I'm voting for Trump. He's noboy scout. Course that's nothing to look
up to anymore nowadays. But I'vegot a list for Biden. One would
be the showering with his daughter.Yeah, yeah, that's a little weird.

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That's just we have much evidence asthat, as we do on all
the state Donald Trump things. Also, of course the Biden crime family.
Also the Bengazi leaving people to diethere, what kind of I'm a member
of the church and I'm not votingfor him, no way, all right,
Rich, And I didn't even thinkabout be Guzzi, but thank you

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for bringing that up. And Afghanistan, I mean, you know, he
was in office. Let's see thathappened in August he'd been put in in
January. What an embarrassment that wasfor the United States of America, the
withdrawal from Afghanistan. Do not forgetthat. Back to the phones, Let's
talk with Chris Chris in Spanish fortonight here in the rod ar kencril Hi,

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Chris, Hey, it took meforty three times to reach you.
Is awesome. It speaks volumes abrouthe great topic you as a host and
the audience, well, thank you, oh, thank you. I just
wanted to make a couple of points. So Gordon's playing that game of using
our values against this but with thatwas dive into that. Let me tell

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you it was either j Rubin Clarkor as a tap fence and said many
years ago that you always judge apolicy by what it does to the man,
and you know, in modern speak, to the woman, to the
person. So look at what hispolicies have done to the America and citizen.
They have been horrendous. Than ontop of that, if you look

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at all the organizations, the singleinterest and the special interest groups that are
incahoots with Joe Biden, he absolutelyis part of that Gaietin secret combination machine
which is in every industry, andthey are destroying your rights, my rights,
everybody's rights, and they are gaslightingus to the point where we don't

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know what's right and what's wrong.And that's by design. That's why they
want to out destroy Trump because heis a man that can unravel that machine
faster than anybody else. I suredo hope again, And Chris, thanks
for pointing out that may be thenumber one point that you need to make
against Joe Biden. He is leadingan effort in this country today that the

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federal government controls everything in our lives. The federal government, it's the answer
to everything. That is not whatAmerica is all about. Federal government is
here to serve us, not theother way around. But that's what Joe
Biden and progressive Democrats. I thinkthat's what America should be. Adam is

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and West Valley wants to weigh inon this tonight, Adam, how are
you welcome to the Rod arciad Show. Good? How are you doing,
Rod? I'm doing well, Thankyou, Adam, good good and good
to talk to you again. Soa couple of callers kind of stole my
thunder like the Ashley Biden diary,but another thing that's related to that would
be the rape allegations against Joe Bidenfrom Tara Reid. Ah. Yes,

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where those are very different from what'shappened with Donald Trump, because with Donald
Trump, those just popped up outof nowhere after thirty years when he ran
for president. But with Tara Reid, she reported that back in the nineties
when it happened, and that's generallywhat you use as a gauge to whether
or not at act actually did happen. But also on top of that,
I would point out that Joe Bidenhas regularly attacked voters, like insulted them

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to their face, calling them dogfaceponies, soldiers or there, or that
speech he did with the red lightingat the in Philadelphia calling all Trump voters
basically Nazis and saying Donald Trump's neverdone anything like that about Democrats. And
so I think just at the endof the day, what we need to
remember as Latter Day Saints is thatwe're not voting for a prophet. We're

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voting for somebody who's going to leadthis country forward to prosperity and follow the
Constitution, as opposed to just votingfor a culture personality. Now very good
points, Adam, Thank you verymuch, appreciate that. Let's go to
Ricky, who's in West Jordan tonighton the rod ar kan Shoe. Hi,
Ricky, how are you. I'mgreat? How are you, sir?
I'm doing wonderful tonight. Thank you, Ricky. Well, I guess

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my point is you just compare thetwo guys. During the Trump administration,
he added value to every American family, and during the Biden magistration, we
lost tremendous value both in our familiesand around the world. And so you

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know, I judge your fruit,I judge a person by its fruit,
and I've never seen our nation declinequite as fast as it has under Joe
Biden. Now, well, Iwould agree with that. I think that's
a concern that a lot of Americana lot of the American people have not
enough of them because the race isstill too close to call in my opinion.

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But you're right, an attack onthe basic values of this country,
and that's what Joe Biden and hisprogressives in the administration have waged in the
past three and a half years.All right, more of your calls and
comments coming up here on the rodour kenchil eight eight eight five seven eight
zero one zero, or on yourcell phone, dal pound two fifty and
say hey, Rod all right,if you're just joining us now, I

(44:05):
want to get back to your callsquickly. We're talking about this article in
the Salt Laker being over the weekendabout how members of the Church of Jesus
Christ of Latter day Saints can votefor Donald Trump. Well, and they
list to you know, the authorof that call um lists a number of
reasons why Latter day Saints should notvote for bad man Orange bad man.
Right, orange man bad I thinkis what they called him. Well,
we're putting a list together of whyyou shouldn't vote for Joe Biden and his

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list of things that he has done. Back to the phones, we go.
Lat's talk with Diane into Willa.Hi, Diane, Welcome to the
Rod Arcent Show. Hi. RodWell. Actually, I just want to
say that mister Monson has proven thathe doesn't pay attention to the facts of
the testimony given in court. Hedidn't and if he doesn't do his own
honest research without prior assumption of guilt, he is the one who has cause

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to be ashamed of his conclusions aboutTrump's guilt. As well as about trying
to use religion and to shame othersfor voting for him. And Trump's record
against Biden's record should inform us asto who to vote for. Let's too
the Boyne Thank you very much.Dianne Patrick is in Springville tonight here on
the road O Account Show. Hi, Patrick, how are you good?

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I was just calling about Monster's article. Also, of all people, probably
one of the biggest sexual innuindows onhis radio shows in the last twenty years.
I don't think he's the one tojudge who we should vote for.
Especially there's one item abortion. That'sit. That closes the book on who

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you should vote for as a conservative. Now you're right, Patrick, I
mean baby killers. You know,any politician out there who is willing to
support the killing of babies from themoment of conception until almost when they're born,
how can they claim to be religiouspeople? I do not understand it,
and I you know, that isthe one issue that I immediately look

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to when considering any candidate out there. Let's go to John and Pleasant Grove
here on the rod Or Kent Showtonight. John, how are you?
Thanks for joining us? Hello?John, So my comment is that God
gave us a brain. And whenyou consider the two candidates, which one

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has a brain and can guide ourcountry and the freedoms that we enjoy,
and one who can't? You know, and I think that that Biden just
does not have the mental or physicalability to guide our country and to make

(46:51):
decisions for our country. And PresidentTrump has When he said he was going
to do some thing, he did. He said he was going to build
the wall. He built the wall, and he's just doesn't was he foot
around like like Biden did and hasdone? And his record his evidence of

(47:16):
who we should really vote for.He cut off the pipeline, he opened
the borders. You know, it'sjust it's not about our beliefs. It's
really not. It's about using yourhead doing the math. It's not that

(47:36):
hard. Yeah, use your head. That's a good way to put it.
Questions would be how much of ahead did Joe Biden have anymore?
You know? Is he making allthe critical decisions that need to be made
for this country or are others makingthose decisions? And maybe telling Joe,
Joe, you've already decided that,don't worry, decisions have already been made
and Joe Goes. Oh, okay, I mean there are real questions about

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his mental acuity and what's going oninside his brain as President of the United
States. He's an older man.We all age differently. I've said this
many times before, and I thinkthe age issue is a critical issue in
this upcoming election. All Right,More, our number three of the rod
our kenshow is on his way tostay with us? All right? I

(48:22):
want to change topics because this isa I think a very interesting topic and
an issue that has come up inthe past few weeks. The state of
Louisiana, you may or may notbe aware of this, has now signed
a bill and it will require theten Commendments to be posted in every classroom
in the state of Louisiana. TheLouisiana law caused outrage on the part of

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the left and the liberal intelligentsia.The ACAU has already announced it will be
challenging the law in court as anunconstitutional establishment of religion. Well is it
joining us on our newsmaker line totalk about this is Kristin Ollman. Kristen,
as president of the Eagle Forum,has written about this today. Kristin,

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how are you welcome to the rodArquentchew. Thanks for joining us.
Thank you so much for having me. I'm thrilled to be with you,
Kristin. And let me ask youthis, why, in your opinion,
is it so important that we placethe Ten Commandments in every classroom in the
state, in the state of Leuisianaand really around the country. Why is
it important to post the Ten Commandmentsin public places? Well, the Ten

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Commandments, like our other historical documents, really tell the story of who we
are as a people and what wevalue. And that's what's really important here.
You know, I don't know howthings are out in Utah, but
I can tell you here in Virginia, there are a lot of posters in
school classrooms. There are a lotof pride, progress flags, a lot

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of things that don't reflect our valuesand aren't based on the history and traditions
of the American people and the thingsthat we value. So for a while,
for decades, in fact, theSupreme Court told us that we couldn't
display things like the Ten Commandments,which really set out the basis for all

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our laws in this country. Andit's really with the overturning of the quote
unquote Lemon Standard or the Lemon test. The Supreme Court has now said that
there's a new standard that we judgethings by when we're looking at whether or
not it's an establishment of religion.And we believe that posting the Ten Commandments,

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allowing it to be in schools andon public property is now constitutional.
Has always been constitutional, but noweven the Supreme Court would acknowledge that it
is constitutional. So you don't feel, Kristen, that posting these is establishing
a state wide religion. You don'tbelieve that's the case by posting these,

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I don't believe it's any more ofan establishment of religion than the Pride Progressed
flag is. I usually think theposting of the Pride Progress flag is more
of a religious tenant than the TenCommandments. Let's look at some of our
laws. Thou shalt not kill.We have laws against murder in our country.

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We have laws against stealing, andthat's really a respect for private property.
The Ten Commandments layout that human beingsshould not covet again, respect for
property. We look at our perjurylaws and our ethic laws that encourage us

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to tell the truth. Again,you can tie that all the way back
to these original commandments that we believewere given to Moses by God that lay
out the standards by which human beingsshould operate. And yes, these are
the basis for our laws in theUnited States. So why would we not

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acknowledge what our history really is.Why is it so important in your opinion,
Kristen, to tie the laws thatwe have today back to the Ten
Commandments and having them posted in schools. How will improve or change the country
in your opinion? Well, again, a lot of this is going to

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be tied to the education that ourchildren get, both at school and at
home. But it's important, justlike we want to teach our children about
the Declaration of Independence and how ourfounding fathers broke with the unbearable burdens that
Britain was putting on the colonies,and how they stood up for their fundamental

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rights, those rights of life,liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
And when we study these things,it's always good to go back to the
original documents. And so the TenCommandments is an example of an original document
on which our laws were based.And it's always better when we understand the

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foundations. We don't have to everykid in America doesn't have to profess a
belief in the One God, theGod of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob,
the God of Christians, but theyhave to understand that these laws come from
quite a rich history, that theseare the laws that have governed mankind for

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thousands of years. I would imagineyou've heard this question before as well,
Christian. But what if another religioncomes along and says, hey, we
have our own set of rules orcommandments or whatever we feel they should be
posted in a public place as well. How would you respond to that?
Well, I would say that theTen Commandments are really being posted here because

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they serve as the basis for ourjudicial system. And I don't believe that
some of the other religions can boastof that, that they can tie it
back. So what the Supreme Courtsaid in the Coach Kennedy case was that
when we're trying to determine whether somethingis actually an establishment of religion, we

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have to look at the historical practicesand understandings of those things. And so
that is why the Ten Commandments arereally unique amongst religious doctrines in that they
really are the historical basis for whywe don't kill, why we don't steal,
why we don't lie, and sothey are unique among other maybe other

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religious doctrines. I mean, Iif you look at Buddhism, was the
United States judicial system really founded onthe principles of Buddhism? I don't think
so. But we know that ourfounding fathers looked to these fundamental tenets of
the Ten Commandments and said, yes, this is a just code of law

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that we believe and we, youknow, we want to emulate in our
laws. Yeah. I'm not surehow closely you followed the story in Louisiana,
But how were they able to getthis through the legislature and for the
governor and governor to sign it intolaw? How how did that happen?
Kristen, You know, I'm notexactly sure, other than that they elected

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a really great governor who understands theseissues. They did have a great Supreme
Court decision in the Kennedy case thatoverruled not only the lemon Vy Kurtzman standard,
but also there's a case, theStone case, that actually knocked the

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Commandments out of schools, and thiswas overturned as well. So that plus,
you know, people got out andvoted and voted for a great state
legislature and they were really able toaffect real change. And believe me,
Louisiana is doing some great things.This isn't the only great thing they've done.

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They have passed some medical freedom stuff. They have some great uh laws
protecting human life and a lot ofother things as well. Christ you guys
for voting today. So everyone,all right, good advice. Kristen,
thank you for joining us on ournewsmaker line. Thank you very much.
Enjoyed the rest of the evening.Thank you so much. All right on

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our newsmaker line. That's Kristin Olman. She is president of the Eagle Forum,
talking about the return of the TenCommandments to the public square. More
coming up on this election Tuesday herein the state of Utah and the Rod
Arcitschew on Utah's Talk Radio one ofive to nine. kN RN our number
three here on Utah's Talk Radio oneoh five nine, canarets. Don't forget

(57:04):
Jesse Kelly, his show coming yourway at the top of the hour.
And then tomorrow of course Wingman Wednesday, and Hm, I really wonder what
Greg and I are going to betalking about. Oh, we have a
primary election day here in Utah todayand we'll break the numbers down and talk
about the winners and losers and wherewe go from here in the state of
Utah. Also, we'll talk aboutthe big debate coming out on Thursday between

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President former President Donald Trump and JoeBiden. Will talk about that as well.
So a lot to get to tomorrow. So we invite you on your
way home tomorrow, make sure youtune in to wing Man Wednesday right here
on Utah's Talk Radio one oh fivenine kN arrests. All right, big
story is today, the big gunsand the Democratic Party. You're coming out
to lend advice and support to JoeBiden as he gets ready for the debate.

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Joe Barack Obama just aching to getback into this campaign now, apparently
offering him some advice today and editorialopinion in the New York Times by Hill
Clinton offering her advice. Well,what about the expectations of this debate?
Have those expectations been lowered? Joiningus on our Newsmaker line to talk about
that is Noah Rothman. No onehas a senior writer at the National Review.

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Noah, thanks for joining us.Had the expectations, in your opinion
been lowered to the point, Noah, that this debate could be kind of
dull and not very exciting. Ihighly doubt it. I expect there to
be events. To what extent they'reexciting is sent as to interpretation, even
less expectations have been lowered to areasonable degree. I believe Donald Trump initially

(58:37):
accepted the debate by saying listen.Joe Biden canstering two sentences together, literally
said that, and has subsequently seemedto have regretted his decision to essentially elevate
the expectations for himself for his ownperformance. He's since begin to pair that
back. Joe Biden, likewise,is retailing the notion that they expect the

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Trump to common be quote disciplined outraising expectations on each other, which is
conventional the sort of thing you wouldexpect. But those expectations are low.
Deliberately they will be beaten. Mostlikely Joe Biden will be very well re
arrested, perhaps even medicated. Hewill come prepared to be energetic. According

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to Facebook's person Adrian Ellenlin, don'tjump likewise, I'm going to come prepared
to throw some haymakers to land someblows. I fully expect there to be
events that will be sound by itworthy that will translate for several days news
cycles afterwards. Now is this goingto change the shape of the race?
Who knows? It's in a verystatic race, so most likely not.
Nevertheless, there will be something tochew on for us after this this occasion.

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What is the reason in your opinionfor lowering the expectations if they have
in fact, Noah, what isthe reason behind that plasity standard operating procedure?
And so that's basic strategy. Youwant to set expectations reasonably low for
yourself and high for your opponents,so that you can beat your own expectations
and so that your opponents can talkto walk over a low bar. That's

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essentially the mistake that Republicans made,I think. Ahead of the President's February
twenty twenty four State of Union address, Republicans very eagerly retailed the notion that
Joe Biden would have a lot ofdifficulty standing for two hours, well past
his bedtime and delivering a stump speechessentially, and he blew past those expectations

(01:00:24):
by simply being present, by readingoff the teleprompter. That was the fault
of ex that was a failed effortat expectations management. You want to raise
the level of expectations from the audienceso that your candidate can beat them,
and you don't want to set themso low that Joe Biden, for example,
is eager to walk over them.In a couple of weeks ago,

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the Wall Street Journal had this reportthat featured a lot of people on the
record, and even Democrats suificantly apparentlywalked back their remarks. And Joe Biden
has bounded this different person behind thescene, so he is not nearly ablucid
as his as his allies preem thathe is the same person that we all
see on television, which is awandering individual and in the words of rubber

(01:01:07):
her a kindly old name with abad memory. Right, Republicans should have
taken that opportunity to say, look, the media is running out in front
of this for Joe Biden. Themedia is trying to set expectations so low
for him. That should not be. We shouldn't accept that. We all
know that Joe Biden can show upand be lucid and coaching for two hours,
but the President's here her twenty fourhour job, and we all know

(01:01:28):
he's not to it. That's whatwe should have heard. We didn't.
We have heard those Republicans saying,look, look, look, look incompetent
and non compassments as we all knowhim to be precise opposite political messaging and
to stand from a strategic perspective,you want the audience primes to see Joe
Biden at his best, so thatif he doesn't show up at his best,

(01:01:49):
you can make the most of it. No, what about Donald Trump?
Everyone's saying he needs to remain disciplined. Is that key? And why
is it key? Yes? AndI expect to see that, at least
for the first few minutes, perhapseven a half hour. Donald Trump doesn't
like being subdued, being deferential,being generous to his opponent. Is that

(01:02:15):
is the mark of the kind ofdiscipline that I believe his advisors are telling
him to show. For example,if Joe Biden were to have a moment
where where he gets flustered, wherehe trips up on his language rate,
walst in his own head, Ibelieve Donald Trump is being coached to be
generous in that moment to say,listen, we step back, Joe Biden,
tink all the time. You needall of This can happen to anybody

(01:02:37):
that's sort of killing with kindness.We serve him quite well. But the
President's instincts are to go for thejugular, and that's just the way he
is. He throws hanymakers, helikes to land killer blows. That's just
his instinct, and I don't suspecthe can suppress that for too long.
But he will drive, and thePresident's team is prepared for that, at
least that's what they're telling aw YorkTimes. I speculate at times, no,

(01:03:00):
you may agree or disagree with meon this, that Joe Biden is
doing this more for the Democratic Partythan he is for the election, trying
to convince Democrats that he is upfor the job despite concerns about his age
and his abilities. Agree or disagreewith me on that, well, yes,
most certainly. Back to the Februarytwenty twenty four State of the Union

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address, Democrats enjoyed an undo rathersigh of release when Biden was capable of
standing for two hours and delivering somespeech with a reasonably an empirical level of
vigor. It was observable, andDemocrats, we're thrilled. If you watch
there. How Democratic members interacted withJoe Biden after the speech. Since he's

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sort of glad handing his way throughthe house, they're just ecstatic over the
moon. I said, this willshut down any notion that you're not up
for the job. Obviously that wasnot the case. He returns to form
shortly thereafter there. But if JoeBiden has a reasonably decent performance, I
expect Democrats will convince themselves of thevery same thing they did in February that

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because he has this okay performance,that all the other evidence that we have
of his growing infirmities will be simplya race from everyone's memory. It will
be a non factor. That willbe wishful thinking. But you can see
why the wish is fothering the thought. There really is no mechanism to get
rid of Joe Biden in the eventthat he had a catastrophic debate performance.

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You could see some chirping on theDemocratic among Democratic officials that maybe there's some
way out of this at the convention, some last minute maneuver that could be
pulled that will extrapate Joe Biden.And by the way, Kamala Harris from
the scene, there isn't one.They're stuck with him. So Joe Biden
has has a lot riding on hisability to give Democrats gestige, and that's

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enough confidence that he can make itthrough one last campaign, because if they
don't, if he doesn't, therewill be a profound panic attack. Coleman
only in resignation over the lack ofany mechanism they have available to themselves to
find another revenue. No Rothman joiningus. He's from National Review Online,
joining us on our newsmaker line talkingabout the debate which is coming up on

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Thursday night. Will continue our discussionabout the debate. We're going to talk
about debates. Do you win themor could you lose them? We'll talk
about that and how coming up righthere on the Rod Arc Show and Utah's
Talk Radio one five to nine knrs. Don't forget the polls open until eight
o'clock tonight. Results will be in. Utah, for some reason, is

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notoriously slow on getting results in.Hopefully it'll be much quicker tonight, and
of course Greg and I will bearound tomorrow to give you our reaction to
what we think may have happened,and then hopefully talk to some of the
winners and maybe a few losers outthere as a result of the vote today.
All right, let's continue now withour coverage of the very important debate

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which is coming up on Thursday nightbetween former President Trump and Joe Biden.
You know, debates, Are theylost or are they one? Joining us
on our Newsmaker line to talk aboutthat is doctor Ron Fouchet. Doctor Fouchet
is chief analyst with Certus Insights.We've had Ron on the show before.
A great, great guy, Ron, Thanks for joining us tonight. You
know, Aroun, Sometimes I lookat debates this way. People go to

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stark car races, not necessarily tosee the races, but to see the
crashes. Could the same be saidabout debates. They're not going so much
for the debate itself, but tosee who makes the biggest mistake. Well,
I think to some extent they arepeople tuned in because they're looking for
something traumatic. They're looking for abig blunder. They're looking for candidates making

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mistakes, and that often attracts theaudience. And while the audiences are usually
very large, Why do Americans likedebates? What do they hope to see
or get out of debates? Run? Well, you know, so much
of political campaigns involves advertising in speechwriters, but it's an opportunity to see

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that the candidates themselves standing on stage. It's a what are one comparison,
and when voters are undecided and they'recross pressured and they're looking for candidate to
vote for, that's the best wayto make that decision. Ron, what
about this debate, it's a littlebit different. You won't have an audience,

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the mic could be muted. Whatdo you make of the debate and
the rules that have been placed onthis debate? Well, you know,
it's up to the candidates to decidewhat the rules are. There's no law
or regulation that requires it. Andyou know, a debate or purely voluntary
events that the candidates have to includeto and it seems to me the rules

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make sense if you have a largeaudience and they're cheering for each side,
it's an opportunity to do I thinksway the sense of what's going on,
and I think it's better for peopleto focus on the candidates and what they
have to say and whether or notthey're answering the questions. Ron, you

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talk about each candidate needing an overarchingstrategy, what would be the overarching strategy
for Trump and Biden as we headinto Thursday, what should their strategy be?
Well, I think for Biden,I think number one, he needs
to defend himself, not verbally,but in his appearance and how he handles

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himself against charges that is mentally unfitand too old to be precedented, and
that's something that everybody is going tobe watching. And in terms of Trump,
I think he has to show thathe can control himself, that he
can discipline what he has to say, and to make the case against Biden

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based on issues that post show failor Trump like issues like immigration and inflation.
And so both of them have campaignmessages and they need to use the
debate to get across the campaign message. You know, the big thing to
keep in mind is their job.Their strategy isn't to win the debate.

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It's to win the election and todo whatever they can in the debate to
move that forward. How important isit for both of these candidates to assess
what the public mood is in thecountry right now and be able to use
that assessment to their advantage. It'sabsolutely essential and one of the things that

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Ronald Reagan did in his debate againstJimmy Carter when Carter was president, was
you know, to ask the question, do you think you're better off than
you are four years ago? Andthat was a perfect way to encapsulate his
understanding of the public mood, whichwas, no, we don't think we're
better off than we were four yearsago. And so to understanding that public

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zeit goes and to identify with thepublic mood, whatever it may be at
the time, is really critical forcandidates. Is it important for the candidates
and you mentioned Reagan I think youwrote about Gerald Ford back in nineteen seventy
six other debates in the past forthe candidates to look for either that one

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line or that one moment that theycan really shine and leave an impression on
the American people after the debate isoverrun. Yeah, that is important because
as we know, you know,the media runs clips after the debate,
and they run clips that are interestingor involved at tax over and over and

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over again. So those one moment, those one leads people say, well,
you know, you shouldn't pick apresident bay one sentence of one phrase,
but those are the things that themedia generally covers in runs and reruns.
So yeah, they become very important, and the candidate spend a lot

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of time rehearsing those one liners andfiguring out when and where they could use
them. You mentioned the public's goingto be looking at how Joe Biden handles
ninety minutes of the debate because thereare questions about his cognitive abilities if in
fact, he has one of thosesenior moments during this debate on Thursday night,
and that's a possibility, Ron,how does Trump handle that? Well?

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I don't know if Trump needs todo anything. You know, the
old saying in politics is when youropponent is digging the hole for himself,
you let him go ahead and digit, and you don't interfere with it.
And if either candidate does something wrongor shows them else, you know,

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some weakness that voters are already inclinedto believe, you just let them,
you know, roll that up.And you don't necessarily have to say
anything unless there's a question, orunless the opponent says something that gives you
an opportunity to jump on it.Final question, Ron, how important is
this first debate as far as thecampaign and the run for the White House

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in November? How important is thisone coming up on Thursday? Night.
Well, if nobody makes any mistakes, it might not be important at all.
But if one of the candidates makesmistakes, you know, over and
above what any mistakes the other candidatemakes, or if a candidate lands a
crushing blow on his opponent, itcould be very important. Debates have been

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important in the past. Oftentimes theimportance isn't permanent, though it might last
for a few weeks and then otherevents on take over. So it's always
hard to say. But this isthe earliest televised general election presidential debate we's
ever had, and it's the onlyone best we've ever had that is conducted

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before the candidates are actually nominated forthe office, because you know, on
Thursday night, neither one of themwill be the actual nominees. They're the
front waters there, the prohibitive favorites. They had the delegates, but neither
one have been nominated yet. Onour Newsmaker line, doctor Ron Fouchet,
thank you, Ron, We appreciateyour time talking about that. Debates are

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lost, not one that's Richard Nixon. About that more coming up and Jimmy
Carter and Walter Mondale more coming uphere on The Runner Kids Show and Utah's
Talk Radio one oh five nine kNRS. Don't forget Wingman Wednesday. Citizen
Greg Hughes will be joining me startyingat four tomorrow. We'll talk about the
results of the primary election today,a lot of very important races and we'll

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break those down and attempt to talkto some of the winners and maybe a
loser, a loser or two onthe show if they want to talk to
us tomorrow. So that's Wingman Wednesdaycoming up tomorrow right here during the rod
Ar kenthow and Talk Radio one tooho five nine kN arrests. Okay,
we've been talking a lot about thedebate coming up on Thursday, Americans.

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You know it's on CNN, avery liberal network. You've got the two
moderators who have openly expressed their disdainfor Donald Trump. You've got every Democrat
in the world offering advice to JoeBiden as he has had to hide himself
away in his cabin up there andwherever it is, Cam, David or

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Meryl. I don't even know wherehe is, but they're all coming out
and he is rehearsing, rehearsing,getting all the details, probably taking a
long afternoon nap, you name it, he's doing it. But you know
it's just Americans. I saw thislittle note today. Americans are very aware
that Joe Biden is entering friendly territoryduring the first presidential debate on Thursday.

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That's history in the Daily Caller today. If Biden wanted to display normalcy or
strength, it won't happen because mostvoters believe there is absolutely no chance the
moderators would remain neutral regarding former PresidentDonald Trump. Trump supporters have been very
vocal about this decision to debate Bidenon CNN with Taparin Bash that not just

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Trump allies, but most Americans seethe glaring impartiality frequently displayed by the network
and its host. So interesting pointI think Americans, I hope mostly now,
the media, of the liberal media, if Biden has a decent night,
is going to spin the daylights outof this that Joe Biden is ready.

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You know, he's ready to leadthis country for another four years,
and that's the spin you're going tohear. Another related note, there is
a story today in the Daily Mailabout Milania Trump. We don't see or
hear much from Milania Trump. She'sa very private person and I think have
to understand that. But there isa story today that if Donald Trump is

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back in the White House that Milaniais unlikely to move there. Those close
to the former First Lady believes shewill likely split her time between mar A
Lago in Florida, New York Cityand in Washington because she wants to be
close to her son, Baron,who tipped to attend New York University this

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fall. So she may not showup very often at the White House.
All right, that doesn't for ustonight, Head up, shoulders back.
May God bless you and your familyin this great country have ours. You've
got one more hour to vote,please due, so we'll talk to you
tomorrow. And four have a goodnight.