The Rod and Greg Show: Biden Ban on Ocean Drilling; Proposed Border Legislation; Presidential Transition is too Long

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I will not take vacation this year. Well, you know,
because every time I take a vacation and someone's got
to do with stuffy.

Speaker 2 (00:08):
Because people miss you. You get lots of glove letters
and people.

Speaker 1 (00:11):
No, I get sick. He's telling my voice a little
bit today. Everything was good till a few days past Christmas,
and then last week I just sat on my butt
all week because I feel good.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
I have known you for at least six years, I think,
or six or seven, because I used to fill in
for you when I was speaker back in like twenty seventeen,
twenty eighteen, and you would go on these trips you'd
come back sick. Yeah, and I think one hundred success
rate of six catching catching something.

Speaker 1 (00:39):
I mean, you're right, I asked you, right, what happens?
Do you want to go on vacation? What do you
say on the show call this morning? You get sick?

Speaker 2 (00:44):
Yeah? What's up with your immune system?

Speaker 1 (00:46):
What's the Flu's a lot of flu's going around and.

Speaker 2 (00:50):
So so basically your resolution is the man up. Yeah, yeah,
quit being sick, don't be sickly. No, it's a week
on the way to do this is don't take vacation.
That's true.

Speaker 1 (00:59):
I mean because I do. It happens on vacation.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
In the World Headquarters. Here, we don't have any event,
we don't have windows that we can open. I don't
even know, you know why we don't get sick here, especially,
I don't know why I don't get sick from you
with that off.

Speaker 1 (01:10):
Because you're a tough guy, and I think, so, yeah, you.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
Know what My resolution is what I want this audience,
which I've missed, by the way, two weeks we've been off.
I've actually missed all these events going on around this
country and world, and I've been wanting to John and
listen to here our listeners take on all this. But
I want this incredible audience to grow. We're already the biggest.
I want it to become bigger. And I want this.

(01:34):
I want the Ron and Greg Show audience to be
the gatekeeper of all good public policy and all good
elections of good public servants. This is the gatekeeper twenty
twenty five. We grow these numbers, our army, the army
of listeners, grows because they deserve to.

Speaker 1 (01:48):
Well, now it's their chance. Because of what happened in November,
Donald Trump in the White House officially certified today, and
we'll talk about that here in a second. You've got
the Senate, you've got the House. This is a time
and we talked about this on the show on our
show call this morning, Greg, this is the time for
Republicans to just stop the silliness that they sometimes get
caught up in and governed. The American people want change,

(02:12):
they want things done, and now is the time to
do it.

Speaker 2 (02:15):
I will tell you that that's one of the things
that I missed when the whole electing a new Speaker
and speaking of Johnson came up. I am not happy
with that criminal Christmas Omnibus bill, that mockery of a
fifteen hundred page spending bill they brought up. But if
you can't find inside that Republican caucus the votes to
elect the next speaker, if it's not Johnson, going outside

(02:36):
that caucus and asking Democrats who you want, I can't
imagine a worse scenario. So nobody gets a protest vote
on that. It's if you can't find the numbers, that's
on you. That's your fault. So even the Freedom Caucus,
if you can't get the numbers persuade enough people to
get the votes inside your caucus without Democrats, then shame
on you. You can't just block things and protest things.

(02:57):
You got to get things done. That's the two years
we have four years. He President Trump does not have
four years. He's got twenty four months yep. That he's
got to get this done.

Speaker 1 (03:05):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, And there's a lot to do and
hopefully he'll be able to do it. We're all pulling
for him, and I know a lot of you out
there are as well. Now we've got a jam packed
show today. Joe Biden, I mean he I can't figure
out this guy, but he, you know, partning Hillary and
George Soros.

Speaker 2 (03:21):
Or partnering or giving him the no giving him.

Speaker 1 (03:24):
To the Presidential Medal of Freedom, which is the highest
civilian award we can give. So what did they do
to earn it? He today announced that he is banning
offshore oil drilling. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we'll see how long
that last. We'll talk with Kerry and Lizambee, state representative.
She with a number of other lawmakers have got a
lot of bills dealing with illegal immigration in this state.

(03:45):
Public safety has a big, big issue. We'll talk about that.
And this is what bothers me Greg and we'll talk
about this a little bit later on in the show.
The election was November fifth. We have until January twentieth
until Donald Trump takes office. Yeah, is that that transition
period simply too long? I think it is.

Speaker 2 (04:04):
You know, I would not have said so before, but
this one particularly feels long, and it feels like there's
so many shenanigans. And it goes even back to these
You're not making these last minute executive orders because you
think Trump will keep them there. You've got the left
creating legal arguments hoping they can push the Trump administration
when they come back into court before he can create

(04:26):
an executive order to take away or to undo what
he's doing. Biden's not doing this because he thinks it's
going to stick. They are trying to create firewalls to
slow down this administration, and they have the time to
do it with a November election and a January twentieth
inauguration will So I think you're right. I do think
the time is too long.

Speaker 1 (04:44):
Well, this date is part of the Constitution, as I recall,
is it not? Well, remember when the Constitution was what
eighteen eighty seven and travel back then to get to
Washington took forever.

Speaker 2 (04:53):
That's right.

Speaker 1 (04:54):
You can get there in an hour anymore, right, So
why do we wait so long? We really, I don't
think we need to anymore. And we'll get into that
as well. So we've got a lot to get to today,
and we love being back with you. Love you joining
us as you work your way home on this Monday.
A lot of people getting back to work for the
first time today.

Speaker 2 (05:11):
And it's everyone feels energized and ready to go and
just ready to just run with your hair on fire.
Or are you tired from your vacation? Yeah, I'm a
little fatigued really two weeks? Yeah, really, lot of logistics.

Speaker 1 (05:23):
You were talking, Yeah, you were talking about that, A.

Speaker 2 (05:25):
Lot of stuff going on. But I loved it, love
being with the family, love it all. But sure I
saw someone on Saturday and they said, you look so tired. Really, yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (05:35):
See you should be energized.

Speaker 2 (05:36):
I know, Well I am energize right now. Right now
is the best part of my day.

Speaker 1 (05:40):
And we love being with you as you work your
way home on this Monday. If you want to be
a part of the program. Eight eight eight five seven
o eight zero one zero triple eight five seven eight
zero one zero, or on your cell phoneestile pound two
fifteen and say hey rod Well. It was made official
today by Vice President Kamala Harris.

Speaker 3 (05:57):
The votes for President of the United States are as
Donald J. Trump of the state of Florida has received
three hundred and twelve votes.

Speaker 4 (06:06):
Kamala de Harris.

Speaker 3 (06:25):
Kamala de Harris of the state of California has received
two hundred and twenty six votes.

Speaker 2 (06:32):
I would cheer roll out on two oh six. I
would chant two roh six two six.

Speaker 1 (06:36):
See, that's where the Republicans made a mistake because they
didn't climb.

Speaker 2 (06:39):
They should have got up and cheered as well. I
love it's the best remember I've ever heard. For you,
Vice President Harris, I think two o six fits you. Well,
you look great with two o six. How humiliating must
that be for someone like Kamala Harris. Well, for her,
I think I think that anyone who's the vice president
who ran it could actually embrace that moment and not
be personally embarrassed. But I think for her she was probably.

Speaker 1 (07:01):
Yes, yeah, I mean she's not the first one to
have done this, So I mean, if you go back
to what two thousand, Al Gore had to do it.
He was vice president of the time and after that
period had that very very you know that the hanging
Chad's election, and he had to certify that George W.
Bush was the next president of the United States. So
she wasn't the first to have to do this, but

(07:21):
it's got to be just a little humiliating. She appeared
to me today to handle it with grace, but who knows.

Speaker 2 (07:28):
Yeah, she I think she did, but I do think
she it probably bugs her a lot. I look, I
think this might be the first election in a long time.
I mean the Democrats of the two thousand election with
Goren Bush was rigged that selected him, wasn't elected. They
argued that George W. Bush won Ohio because Karl Rove
rigged the election machine evangelicals and the Ohio he rigged

(07:53):
the machines you had in twenty sixteen you had Hillary
that that was I mean, Trump won because Putin controlled
all the Facebook bots and commits their own to vote
for him. It was Russian collusion. So I haven't heard
any major protests on the validity of the Republican winning
the presidency, but it would be the first for a
long time that the Democrats haven't made that argument.

Speaker 1 (08:14):
Well, and how could you greg with Trump getting what
three twelve electoral votes and she getting to twenty six
command Pretty decisive, wasn't it.

Speaker 5 (08:22):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (08:22):
And it shocks me more because I don't ever expect
a Republican to really win the popular vote ever again,
because of the way county in California. Los Angeles County
is larger by population than all but six states in
the United States, And so if you don't campaign in
California and you've never put resources in there, the popular
vote is very difficult for a Republican candidate for president

(08:43):
to win. That's why you have the electoral College so
that every state has that voice. But he won both
without spending a red scent. He got probably more votes
in Los Angeles County than he got in some states
just by the size of the state.

Speaker 1 (08:56):
With what happened today and with what will happen two
weeks from today and his inauguration, it is, without a doubt,
in my opinion, the greatest political comeback in the history
of this country.

Speaker 2 (09:06):
We are living through some incredible history.

Speaker 1 (09:08):
It's amazing that he was able to survive. There's a
great article and we'll talk about this a little bit. Today,
Axios sat down and talked with his new chief of staff,
Susie Wiles. She is, she's called the Iron Maiden by
President elect Trump, and we'll talk about what she had
to say and how this White House is going to
run differently this time. Iron Fist.

Speaker 2 (09:31):
No drama, I heard, she's no drama.

Speaker 1 (09:33):
No drama. You're with us, You're out of here, all right.
We'll talk about that. But coming up next, Joe Biden.
He just can't leave office without trying to do anything
he can to obstruct the agenda of Donald Trump. We'll
talk about what he did today. That's coming up right
here on the Rod and Greg. Joe. Great to be
with you on this Monday afternoon in Utah's Talk Radio
one oh five nine K and RF.

Speaker 5 (09:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (09:54):
Scheduled sentencing of the President elect is set for January tenth,
what Friday, Yes, and so President Electrum has asked the
judge to delay that sentencing while he pursues an appeal
because of obvious reasons. It's not appropriate, it's vindictive. They
really can't sentence him to anything, so it's it's just

(10:16):
meant to embarrass the president, meant to just be as
vindictive and as shallow as it is just breaking right
now is that he has formally rejected the appeal and
has denied it and will be making intends to fully
intends to sentence the President on the tenth.

Speaker 1 (10:33):
It's pure humiliation, Greg, That's all this is just to
enable label him as a convicted Fela. That's all this
is about.

Speaker 2 (10:40):
I got to tell you, I think that it's just
characters like this turned out, in hindsight maybe to be
Donald Trump's best friend in an election because it is
so patently unfair, so patently not what the judiciary is
supposed to be doing, that this law fair. I think
it just is so off putting to Americans in general.
They want nothing more of it, and they can't stop
doing it, can't stop doing what they've done to get

(11:02):
to this point. And I think what they did, I
really did put the American people on the side of
the president because the way he was being treated was
just it just didn't pass the Smellton.

Speaker 1 (11:12):
Yes, amazing. Well, another big story today is that President
Joe Biden, on his way out the door, has decided
to ban new offshore oil and gas thrilling in more
than six hundred and twenty five million acres of federal waters.
Another step by the Biden administration to obstruct anything that
President e like Donald Trump wants to do. Joining us
on our Newsmaker line to talk more about that right

(11:32):
now is Daniel Turner. Daniel is founder and executive director
of Powered to the Future. He's joining us on our
Newsmaker line right now. Daniel, how are you welcome back
to the Rod and Greg Joe. Thanks for joining us. Hello, Daniel,
did we lose you?

Speaker 5 (11:48):
Oh?

Speaker 6 (11:49):
There you are. Sorry, It's great to be on with you.
Thank you so much for having me back.

Speaker 1 (11:52):
Well, thank you for being with us, Dave. Dan, Let
me ask you, has this been in the works for
quite some time or was this just one of those
last minute things that the Biden administration said we got
another chance to just he just needled Trump a little
bit more.

Speaker 6 (12:08):
Yeah, this is one of those eleventh hour as they're
leaving the White House, what other things can we do
to make it difficult for the Trump administration to succeed.
I think there's a couple of things here at play.
Right There's a they're trying to win over the environmental left,
who has a lot of money and a lot of activists,
and they will engage on this. You were talking about

(12:29):
law Fair just before. That's what they will get involved
in now because now they have the chance to sue
when Trump tries to overturn this. But really what it is,
as far as I'm concerned, the ultimate failure of the
Biden administration will be even more salient when there's a
successful Trump administration. The American people compared both right, it

(12:50):
was very obvious, and they said, we want to go
back to cheap gas, cheap utilities, cheap food. We want
to go back. That will be even more noticeable when
Trump is able to succeed, And so anything they can
do now to prevent success will really make Biden look
not quite so bad. And that's the goal here.

Speaker 2 (13:09):
So my question is maybe it's just how this would
work procedurally, because Trump put out a tweet I think
on truth Social today that said that I will immediately
repeal this executive order once taking office, and I saw
Biden do this. We hear in Utah we're very happy
to see President Trump pull back a Bears Ears monument

(13:30):
that Obama did in his December before he was leaving office,
making a national monument Utah. Biden was very quick to
reverse the work of President Trump and in sign a
ton of executive orders the first day, reversing Trump's work.
Will Trump be able to do the same to Biden
and reverse what he's doing, or do they have a

(13:51):
different plan where Biden where Trump's hands are tied.

Speaker 6 (13:55):
This will be a little difficult because they're using the
Continental Shot Act, and I think it goes back to
nineteen fifty three, and one of the provisions of that,
which is why the environmental group loves it, is that
it's very easy to add things, it's very hard to
take them away once you put them on the list.
And so President Obama did this to the incoming Trump

(14:17):
administration eight years ago in the end of twenty sixteen.
They did similar things. Trump tried to reverse them when
he was inaugurated, and then, of course the environmental groups
sue and it delays it if nothing else, will delay
it for years. And that's exactly what's going to happen.
Trump is going to rescind these executive orders on day one.
Every environmental group is going to file a lawsuit, and

(14:40):
it will be delayed by years. And I'm so glad
you mentioned bears ears because there's probably the most important
big thing that the Trump administration could do from a
thirty thousand foot level is the restoration of lands.

Speaker 1 (14:55):
Back to the states.

Speaker 6 (14:57):
Every time Democrats get in power, they love to look
at places like Utah and Nevada and Alaska, big western states,
and they just take more and more and more and
more from the actual residence of those states. And that
has to be reversed, not just stopped, it has to
be radically reversed.

Speaker 1 (15:15):
Daniel, what is the potential or do we know the
potential of this offshore drilling in the Atlantic and the Pacific?
What is the potential out there? Do we have an
idea as of yet.

Speaker 6 (15:29):
Well, fifteen percent of our oil comes from offshore drilling,
and worldwide, thirty percent of the world's oil comes from
offshore drilling. And that's not really that surprising when most
of the world is ocean, right, So it's not surprising
that that's where the oil and gas are found as
beneath the ocean as opposed to beneath our feet. So

(15:51):
the potential is the unrealized gains. If fifteen percent now
comes from offshore, what if we brought that to twenty percent,
and really offshore is a lot easier to a certain
extent because you don't have land issues, right, you don't
have neighbors who are are frustrated by noise or by trucks,

(16:12):
et cetera. And for golf communities like Louisiana, Texas, of
course Alaska, which part of the Arctic is included in
this decision. There's an awful lot of oil and gas
opportunities that are just going to be missed. And that's
the really frustrating thing. We do know how much potential

(16:33):
there is because Mexico is now being run Mexico's oil
and gas is now being run by the communist Chinese.
China built the largest oil platform in the world in
international waters in the Gulf of Mexico. Russia is operating
in international waters off the coast of Alaska. So our
enemies are taking advantage of these resources. We're just prevented

(16:56):
from doing the same. And that's kind of the Biden
administration in a nutshell, isn't it. Our enemies do well
and the American people suffer absolutely.

Speaker 2 (17:04):
So you mentioned lands, and so we have federal lands.
Sixty seven percent of the state of Utah federally controlled
land Bureau of Land Management. We've noticed that the oil
and gas companies, their capital, their investments, they really don't
have the time when these lawsuits, When the Southern Utail
Wilderness Alliance, these environmentalist groups may put these law suits
forward because of the delay, it means that their capital,

(17:25):
their investment goes somewhere where there's private property somewhere else.
Will if this is delayed as you've described, will there
even be companies that are to invest if and when
we get this reverse what Joe Biden's doing right now,
or do we lose that opportunity because they successfully delayed
a company's ability to invest their capital.

Speaker 6 (17:46):
It's such a great point. And this is the potential
revenue that we will not know about, and that's really frustrating,
and it's an excellent point. The oil and gas we're
producing now was drilled six years ago, and it's very frustrating.
As someone who knows this industry and knows the attacks
on the industry, it's very frustrating when Kamala Harris or

(18:09):
other leftists say we're producing more oil now than we
ever did before. That is true, we are producing more
oil now, but the oil that's going to market today
was drilled in twenty and eighteen, and it takes years
to bring oil and gas to fruition and to market.
And so yeah, imagine if there were just not all

(18:31):
these hams, these handcuffs, what we could do now, what
it would mean in three, four, five years. And that's
how industry operates. But if you scare them with endless
lawsuits and endless regulatory and bureaucratic obstacles, you're absolutely right,
industry will go somewhere else. They'll invest in bitcoin, or

(18:53):
they'll invest in foreign companies. A lot of American dollars
left because it's just easier to make money elsewhere.

Speaker 1 (19:00):
Garry thought. Daniel is always great chatting with you. Thank
you for joining us, and happy New Year to you.

Speaker 6 (19:04):
Always a good time. Thank you so much.

Speaker 1 (19:06):
Thank you all right. That is Daniel Turner. Daniel is
the editor or the executive director of Power to the Future.
You're on Utah's Talk Radio one O five nine K
and R S. Tell you what I hope you're watching
in kill the interest in it. We had to land
that plan in that interview.

Speaker 2 (19:21):
But I wonder if he's watching land Man with Rob
Sorton on Paramount Greatest Show you've ever watched making his
case every every week, every day.

Speaker 1 (19:29):
Every week, you're right, all right, mare coming up on
the Rotten Greg Show and Utah's Talk Radio one O
five nine k n RS. I see this headline in
one of the news outlets today, Republicans take over Washington
amid a worldwide anti incumbent vote.

Speaker 2 (19:45):
Yeah, old Justin Trudead And you know today he just
decided he didn't want to be the fifty first governor
of the state of the United States and Canada, you know,
being the canadis now state. But he so he jumped out.
That's by the way, folks, that's kind of like when
Biden left and Kama came in. The Liberal Party is
in charge. They can't win with with Trudeau, so that

(20:05):
he's dropping out so that one of their other MP's
can can take the lead and maybe win in their
plan to vote in October. But the Conservatives in Canada
are calling and they can do this for an earlier
vote than October. So we'll see what we'll monitor this.
He's got a new name, by the way, what's that
Justin True Go True Go, yeah, True go. He got
the message out.

Speaker 1 (20:26):
Get the message now before we talk about this unbelievable
story out of New Orleans. We want to follow up
a little bit on the interview we just did before
the news update about Biden today banning offshore drilling for
energy just another step to block a Donald Trump. And
you've got a SoundBite with who is it a last
as sender, Dan Sullivan.

Speaker 2 (20:45):
That's right, and our guest Daniel Turner talked about how
Putin is using international waters to drill offshore and doing
so successfully while we're in China, while we're cutting out
our own legs from US. A state that's absolutely impacted
by that is the state of Alaska. So United States
Senator Dan Sullivan had this to say about the Biden
move to ban off field off shore drilling.

Speaker 7 (21:07):
Well, no surprise. Right from day one, this administration has
sought to shut down American energy. I think the President
Biden's legacy is going to be the worst president in
American history in terms of American energy. And you know
that led what they did, Their policies led to dramatic
increases in inflation, weakening America's strength one of our great

(21:29):
strengths as American energy, as you know, John, and killing
thousands of American jobs. So this is no surprise. The
good news is and I was just on the House
floor with senators and House colleagues. We're very excited about
implementing the mandate that President Trump received during the November election.
And that's all about unleashing American energy. The Trump administration's

(21:51):
first term probably the best ever in my view, certainly
for Alaska in terms of unleashing American energy. And we're
going to do it again with Republicans in the House,
Senate and Donald Trump in the White House.

Speaker 1 (22:01):
Drill Baby, drilled, yep.

Speaker 2 (22:03):
January twentieth can't come soon enough.

Speaker 1 (22:05):
Yeah, yeah, Well, we all woke up on New Year's
Day and heard about the horrific tragedy in New Orleans,
about this this Islamic A former military guy served in
the US Army somehow was brainwashed into believing all the
Islamic bs and took his truck and drove it through
a crowd on Bourbon Street. Now I've been to New

(22:28):
Orleans several times. I don't know if you have been
down on Bourbon Street. That place is crazy and crowded
at the same time a little raunchy as well. But
I mean big rats too, size of big rats. But
when you realize that you went what happened to you?
I mean, what a tragic story?

Speaker 5 (22:43):
Ten?

Speaker 1 (22:43):
When is it ten or fifteen? Is it fifteen? Eighteen?
Eighteen people dead? Numerous people injured. You've seen some of
the videos where this guy was just racing down the
street trying to take out everybody he could.

Speaker 2 (22:55):
There's there are reports that there were other people involved.
There were some moms they just found that were not detonated,
that he supposedly had control, but that other people were
setting these packages. They look like coolers in strategic areas
to see them go off, so it could have even
been worse. It looks like a coordinate event. Odd Rod
that some of the discussion because you know, with X

(23:16):
and with social media, when these names come out, people
can find out who they are. You had members of
the media that were going through this man's home from
wherever he lives after it had been initially searched by
law enforcement, but before the FBI came, and you had
a reporter that's just with a camera walking through the
man's house before the FBI had even arrived. And this
had been a number of days, not the day up,
a number of days and The question I had over

(23:39):
the holiday watching all this kind of unfold was is
there a higher sense of urgency that the FBI should
be having about this and what is going on? You
had the same and the same day you had the
at the Trump Tower in Las Vegas. A guy, another
a veteran, another guy comes down and runs the Tesla truck.
Turns out Tesla trucks don't really blow up as well

(23:59):
as the other trucks they thought, and so it didn't
do the damage he was hoping to do. But it
is a terrorist attack. The Washington Post wanted to say
about the terrorist attack specifically in New Orleans, that a
truck killed truck attack in New Orleans. There was a
truck attack, as if ai in the truck by itself
was really mad or wanted to commit harm, not saying

(24:22):
it was a terrorist attack or anything like that, and
didn't have an ISIS flag on it or something. But
point is, it's not a truck attack. It's a terrorist attack.
And the people that were doing it had ties to
radical Islamists and you know they're there to cause chaos.

Speaker 1 (24:39):
Well, some of the crazier things coming out on this story. Greg.
First of all, the city of New Orleans had removed
some barriers that would have prevented this from.

Speaker 2 (24:46):
Having had those big ballusters you don't drive that.

Speaker 1 (24:49):
You can't drive through, because apparently they weren't set upright.
They wanted them repaired or ready for Marty Gras, so
they took him out. Another word today is this guy,
the guy involved in this had scoped out several streets
in New Orleans as to which one would be the
best one to drive his truck down. So, you know,
there's so many interesting stories coming out about this. The
other story is that here you have the CEO of

(25:12):
All State, yeah, issuing, you know, making a statement about this.
I think it was prior to the game, the football
game that was to take place there on the first
it was moved to the second. But coming out and
basically saying that we need to end divisiveness in this country.
Where's this guy coming from? I mean, and he he
has just been fried on social media for making a

(25:35):
statement like that. The CEO of All State making a
statement like that.

Speaker 2 (25:40):
He thinks that that's the front front of mine problem.

Speaker 1 (25:42):
We went through disness. Yeah, yeah, that's what the problem is.
So what a crazy story and for everybody involved in
the people of New Orleans. Of course, our thoughts and
prayers are with them, and hopefully you know, I've always
thought about that, Greg. You could be walking down a
street in Salt Lake City for crying out loud, and
if some guy, some person wants to take take out
a lot of people, you know, whats your car? Put

(26:03):
your truck on a sidewalk.

Speaker 2 (26:04):
My son was in New York City just during code
right after, but as a missionary in New York City,
and I'm watching the local news there and this talk
about subways and how dangerous they are. This was going
on in twenty one and twenty two, and I would
say to him when we'd speak to him, just be
completely aware of your pres Do you not let anyone
stand behind you when you're in those platforms down there?

(26:26):
Make sure you're back to a wall. In the subway.
It's a very it can be a very dangerous place.
And this is something that's been growing and happening more frequently,
and I think we all have to be I think
with especially this border that's been open for four years,
we really have to be aware of everything going on
around us as best we can. Because you know that
those coolers that they set up in the middle of
nowhere that're sitting in these intersections could have detonated people.

(26:49):
Just have to keep their eyes open.

Speaker 6 (26:50):
Well.

Speaker 1 (26:50):
And now, in a brilliant move by the City of
New York, they're imposing congestion tolls if you want to
go into the South end of Manhattan. They want more
people to ride the subway. Real smart idea, right.

Speaker 2 (27:02):
One of our great listeners, she said, oh, why don't
we abandon why don't we ban assault cars?

Speaker 5 (27:06):
There?

Speaker 2 (27:07):
That's a total that's a total Democrat way to go up.
The truck killed someone. Let's ban those trucks.

Speaker 1 (27:11):
Ban those trucks. A sorry, more coming up the Rod
and Greg show right here on Utah's Talk radio one
oh five nine can arrests Susie Wiles. Yes, the new
chief of staff for one Donald Trump. You can tell
that she strikes fear. I don't know if anybody strikes
fear into Donald Trump's heart, but I think she may.

Speaker 6 (27:30):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (27:31):
Remember on election night and he won and he invited
her up to speak, and she looked at him and said, no,
I know that was that was the moment. She just says,
good moment. No, no, no, Well, she said, Tom didn't
interview with Axios. Okay, I love this quote, and this
is how she's going to run the White House with

(27:51):
Donald Trump there. She said, I don't welcome people who
want to work solo or be a star. She said,
my team and I I will not tolerate backbiting, second
guessing inappropriately or drama. These are counter productive to the mission.

Speaker 2 (28:09):
Yeah, headline, you know, and I think that that that
what's so exciting about this incoming administration in Donald Trump's
term is that he accomplished more than people may even
realize in his first four years as president of the
United States. One of the things that it would always
drive me crazy were some of the backbiters, the people
that were self interested, the people that wrote books after
crying after their time there. I love starting on such

(28:32):
a strong foundation and instead of the president trying to
trust Washington insiders to tell him how he should do it,
he's learned so much from that that he's putting his
chief allies and those whose opinions he trusts right there
in that West Wing with him. And I think it's
all going to be up trajectory, upward trajectory because of it.

Speaker 1 (28:50):
Well, she went on to tell Acxios, I love this.
She never tells others Greg what she tells Trump. Interesting. Yes,
if she disagrees with him, it's not done in front
of anyone except the two individuals themselves, and it doesn't leak.
She avoids the spotlight. To survive in the magaverse, you

(29:10):
have always have to remember that Trump is the star
around which others revolve, and she understands that.

Speaker 2 (29:17):
Yeah, I know your boss, and I'll tell you that
those open debates, I mean, I'm sure there's I'm sure
he will. I've met President Trump on a number of occasions.
I think he welcomes He asks questions that really do
draw out people's opinions, so he doesn't resist different opinions.
But you're not going to be petty, You're not going
to be criticizing him. And then she's a genius for

(29:37):
if she does see something, spot something, she waits till
that's over, and then yep, you know they have that
private conversation. That's way to go.

Speaker 5 (29:43):
Well.

Speaker 1 (29:43):
The article goes on to say she's looking past the
fabled one hundred days of a new administration, calling it
and artificial metrics. She says, I'm looking at the first
two years, and that's what the focus is going to be.
As she said, and I've heard this before, all gas
no breaks, Promises made, promises will be kept. You kind
of get the sense, and you don't mess with her.

(30:04):
I mean Trump calls her they Iron Maiden.

Speaker 8 (30:07):
You know.

Speaker 2 (30:07):
And here's the thing is that even I have probably
fallen into this idea of the first hundred days and
what you're able to accomplish. But if we're being honest,
the first hundred days it does set up those two years.
You have to do it in two years, and anything
in one hundred days is probably just the precursor for
what you're doing. I mean, you're gonna be moving and
doing things by one hundred days, but that one hundred
days isn't any kind of big deadline or endgame. That's

(30:30):
I love that she's looking at a twenty four months.

Speaker 1 (30:32):
And I kind of think the first hundred days break
are kind of the low hanging fruit. Yeah, the real
tough stuff after that. I agree, all right, Emmi Grayson.
It will be a top priority for Utah Lavakers when
they meet two weeks from today. We'll talk about that
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Us a screenshot.

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Yeah, yeah, I don't know. Maybe we'll give you a
hat we haven't got.

Speaker 2 (31:53):
Oh, we have some swags coming.

Speaker 1 (31:56):
We can't say right now. But never know, but you
to do that because it's really cool. All right, Now,
before we talk about what Utah lawmakers are getting into
when it comes to immigration this year, Greg, I want
your take on what is Cox up to see this
story today? He is now going to join the president
he liked, I think Thursday night and have dinner at

(32:19):
mar A Lago with some other governors. What what's going
on with Cox?

Speaker 2 (32:23):
There has been a profound change shift. Okay, the rudders
moved and the ship is going a completely different way.
I would just say this, I there. I don't think
Governor Cox is young. He was a young lieutenant governor
when he was chosen. He had been in the House.
He was a colleague of mine, just for a short

(32:44):
period of time before he was Greg Bell decided left
being a lieutenant governor and Governor Herbert appointed Spencer Cox.
He's had an upper trajectory. He'd been a mayor of
a small rural community. Yeah, and then he was the
then he was the commissioner of Sampete County, and so
it just there's been a very quick ascension. I don't

(33:06):
think that he's always been very clear. He's only serving
two terms, and so there's some other uh, I think
some other public service in his mind he would like
to do. I've actually heard people say that he would
like to and has the ability to run for president
of the United States of America. Yes, that if a
Bootaje Edge could do this from at being mayor of
South Bend, Indiana, that you could be a governor of

(33:26):
a state. Why that could that could be in the future. Anyway,
I see a pivot because of you can say for
whatever reason, but certainly his his more moderated approach after
being elected was not well received by this state. And
even by the election results you've seen in November and
in the primary, you didn't see uh. I don't think

(33:46):
you saw someone who was really as popular as past
governor Republican governors have been in their reelection. So you're
you're seeing this pivot. Going to mar A Lago is
a big deal for him because I happen to know
the governor and he.

Speaker 5 (33:58):
Was not.

Speaker 2 (34:00):
Last It's one thing to say you support the president, okay,
and I think that's a that's something that you should
have demand from and hear from your governor, especially Republican governor.
But to go to mar A Lago, boy You're getting
into a new club.

Speaker 5 (34:11):
That's it.

Speaker 2 (34:11):
That's kind of the boys club with the with the
boys and girls club with the president. So that's a
that's a new level, right there.

Speaker 1 (34:18):
I back in this would have been twenty sixteen, leading
up to the election. Maybe it was after that. I
was in Washington and spoke to a few very well
connected people who got very angry phone calls from one
Spencer Cox calling them on the carpets for supporting Donald Trump.
That was back in twenty sixteen. Yes, So what is
the transformation going on here? Greg? I mean eight years,

(34:40):
all of a sudden, he's sitting down with you know,
Donald Trump, Orange Man bad to have dinner with him.

Speaker 2 (34:45):
Yeah, he's at it. He's at a change of heart.
I think there's and look, I will I will tell
our audience this. If he's going to embrace good public policy,
if he's going to be not a thorn in the
President's side, and he is going to for whatever reason,
let's let's not interrupt that. Let's let that move forward,
because I just don't want another Romney spending every minute

(35:07):
of his public service, you know, not representing the state
being being a barrier to President Trump. So if he's
if he wants to be there, I thank him, and
I'm not gonna I'm not going to cry about it.
I'm just I'm sure there's something's going on here. I'm
not sure what it is, I'm sure, but that's I love.
I love the pivot, and I think it's probably more
reflective if he wants to be governor of the state

(35:28):
of Utah, of the people of the state.

Speaker 5 (35:30):
Well.

Speaker 1 (35:30):
Two weeks from tomorrow, the Utah Legislature will begin their
forty five day session.

Speaker 2 (35:35):
Right, yes, forty five calendar day calendar, Monday through Friday.

Speaker 1 (35:40):
One of the issues, like with Donald Trump, is going
to be immigration. A number of lawmakers held the news
conference earlier today to introduce all kinds of immigration and
public safety bills. Behind that effort is our next guest,
state Representative carry in. Listenby Representative, listen by, thanks for
joining us tonight on the Rod and Gregg Show. Obviously,
immigration is going to be a top priority when lawmakers
meet in a couple of weeks. Is that right we

(36:03):
have seen.

Speaker 9 (36:04):
And Rod, that's a great question. I've been working on
this issue for over a year now, and likewise, many
members in our body have been as well. So our
members of our communities are seeing huge impacts with the
South of the border crisis, the number of people who
have come here and the costs, the impacts to schools,

(36:29):
the impact to our criminal justice system in especially in
Spalt Lake County where we have the vast majority of
individuals residing who are here illegally, and so it has
been a huge issue that I've heard from constituencies and
many of our members have as well over the last year.

Speaker 2 (36:49):
Representative, it makes all the sense in the world that
you would be that you would be spearheading this year
the majority whip. I was a majority whip. This is
the place, this is the leadership spot to to really
rally the body. You're spotting the things that are issues
out there. I've worked with the sheriffs before. I know
that you've always been a strong voice on public safety
and fighting lawlessness. We've said a long time that this

(37:12):
is a lag what happened at the border under the
Biden administration. What you're seeing today, it's going to get
worse before it ever gets better. Maybe you could share
with our listeners what are some of the examples of
things you're seeing because of that non border security and
what's been happening by way of drug cartels everything else.
What are we seeing in Utah that you feel pretty
adamant has to be addressed right now, not later.

Speaker 9 (37:35):
Right Well, and you heard Jeff Anderson, Commissioner Anderson of
the Department of Public Safety speak about the drug cartels
and the drug traffic king that's happening in Utah, and
he mentioned tangentially, but I'll just say specifically because this
case was one in Utah where an individual with dealing drugs,

(37:56):
he was pulled over and stopped with thousands of sentinel tells.
He had already been deported five times back across the
border and come back to continue to harass and threaten
our communities. And so we've been working with ICE and

(38:17):
working with our federal partners also to share us our
local law enforcement, our mayors, our county mayors, and county commissions.
This has been a process and the Governor's office throughout
the year in trying to really put our finger on
the cost to Utah. And it is extensive. We don't

(38:37):
even know we haven't until five six months ago. We
don't even have numbers for exactly how many people are here,
and even those numbers I think are grossly underestimated.

Speaker 1 (38:50):
Representative one of the bills that was talked about that
got my attention was the bill I think was with
Representative Wilcox on drivers and unlicensed drivers that we have
in the state right now. We're here illegally driving without
a license whatsoever, and the number of accidents that are
taking place involving those people. I thought he mentioned this
figure may be much higher than I had heard, but

(39:12):
like fifty percent of the vehicle accidents in West Valley
City are involving people without a driver's license. I mean,
that's an amazing number.

Speaker 9 (39:21):
It is, and that's correct, and we're seeing it across jurisdictions.
I've checked in even with my constituencies, my police chiefs
up in my area, and they're seeing similar trends, the
number of traffic stops, even of unlicensed drivers who are
driving on our streets, who can't read our signage. In fact,
I talked with one law enforcement officer who was doing

(39:43):
a he was parolling a school crosswalks stop and he
stopped ten people that day. Seven of them did not
speak English and could not read the signage and had
no idea that they were speeding through a schools.

Speaker 1 (40:00):
Wow, that's frightening.

Speaker 2 (40:02):
So give us you know, nothing's always the way it
seems before you get into the session. Once the session starts,
things always tend to have a you know, a mind
of itself in terms of stakeholders, constituents contacting lawmakers. So
you've got to reserve that process to take place. But
what do you predict by way of accomplishments in this

(40:25):
session by with in regards to illegal immigration and lawlessness
and some of the impacts that we're feeling here in Utah.
What do you think what are we going to get
from the session?

Speaker 9 (40:35):
Well, I think a big thing that I'm working on
that is related directly, and it's another one of the
dominoes that follows as we start to work on this
is jail capacity. And that's an important one because Salt
Lake County the jail bond failed, but they had overcrowding
releases at almost a third of their total incarcerations last year.

(40:58):
It's clearly a problem that crime on the streets is
a huge issue in the largest, most populated county in
our state, and so we definitely want to tackle that,
and this package of bills is trying to get up
that as well, but making sure that we increase jail capacity,
that we can hold these people accountable and keep dangerous
individuals off of the streets.

Speaker 1 (41:19):
Representative lizenby the fact that Donald Trump, as he becomes president,
has said immigration and illegal immigration is one of his
top priorities, if not the top priority. Apparently he has
a package of bills ready to move forward as soon
as he takes over on January twentieth. The fact that
he is making this a national issue, does it also
help people here in the state keep this front and

(41:40):
center to their attention and allowing you to get the
things done that you want to do in the legislature.

Speaker 9 (41:46):
Yeah, that's a great question. I do think it does
help us. I do think too that it's responsive to
what's been going on for a long time in the
minds of the American people. When you look at the
polling nationally and in the state of Utah, that majority
of Republicans and Democrats support responding to this illegal immigration
through criminal penalties type response. And so it's really important

(42:11):
that we're addressing these issues because they're being seen by
all of the people. You know, sometimes we are a
little bit disconnected from our constituencies and maybe don't understand
what's happening on the streets. This is something we have heard,
like I said, for over a year, that our people
are seeing and I think Trump is responding to that
as well at the national level, and the polling certainly

(42:34):
bears that out.

Speaker 1 (42:35):
The ture to stay representative Carry and lizenby joining us
on the Rod and Greg show, and immigration is going
to be a top priority. There's a number of key
issues up on the Hill when they meet here in
a couple of weeks from tomorrow, but immigration is going
to be an issue, Greg, because we're all starting.

Speaker 2 (42:49):
To feel it is, and there's a lag on how
quickly we feel the brunt of it because of the
not having a border that was secure at all. It's
going to get worse before it gets better. As we
discussed that, we've had years in the legislature where it
was soft on crime. Time, it was we're gonna we're
gonna just we're gonna we're not gonna hold anyone that's
catch and release. We just went around that twenty twenty

(43:10):
and George Floyd time, things just got out of control.
Even in red state Utah, you're seeing the consequences of that.
You're seeing the consequence of an open border. And I'm
happy to see House leadership represent Cary and lesbian others
talking about getting our laws strong and not tolerating lawlessness.

Speaker 1 (43:28):
I think that's what the people of Utah want more.
Kevin now on the Rod and Greg Show in Utah's
Talk Radio one oh five nine. Can rs kicking off
the year on Talk Radio one oh five nine.

Speaker 2 (43:36):
Knrs.

Speaker 1 (43:37):
I'm Citizen Hughes and I'm rod Ar Kitt. Great to
be with you. Live everywhere of course on the iHeartRadio app.
I saw this story Greg in uh, what was it?
Breitbart over the weekend. Apparently there's a report from the
Philadelphia Inquirer and it indicates that LGBTQ groups and others
in liberal voting blocks are buying guns for self defense

(43:58):
ahead of Donald Trump's accuration. Have we got them that scared?

Speaker 2 (44:03):
Welcome to the party, pal, Yeah, A little bit of
you know, a little bit of a right to bear
arms applies to everyone.

Speaker 1 (44:09):
According to the newspaper report, the Liberal gun Club that's
what it calls itself, has received thousands of training requests
since the election, more than in all of twenty twenty three,
a quarter of which were members of the LBGTQ community.

Speaker 2 (44:26):
Well, i'll tell you what, you'd think, this is almost
like a conservative conspiracy because you'd think any way to
get people to appreciate their Second Amendment rights would be
to get this crew to join in. But the Democrats
are crazy. Their their narratives about a president presidency is
that there's going to be concentration camps for liberals. They
literally they're saying this with a straight face, and it's

(44:47):
it's it's absolute blather and and laughable obviously, but I
think some of these leftist groups are led to believe
that they are somehow in danger. Yeah, it's just unreal.

Speaker 1 (44:58):
Well, you know, we there was a lot that went
on when we were gone for a couple of weeks.
But this story Representative Kira of Brooklyn, and I don't
seeing that she's resigning from the Utah State Legislature, hate
to see her go. I too, have been a very
hard working lawmaker.

Speaker 2 (45:12):
I've got to tell you Rod that I've watched the
body of which I was a member of and I
didn't get to serve with Kara Brooklyn when she as
a Rep. But I have watched her work, and I've
watched how she's worked, and then I watched her you know,
it's spent an entire day during the session and come
to one of these Republican events at night, and she's
got a young family and she's just a lot going

(45:33):
on in her life. That's what citizen legislators do in
the Utah. But you know that her work has been good,
and that her work ethic has been high, and the
issues that she's tackled are impactful. When the announcement came
that she was stepping down, a lot of people felt
like you do and I do that. Oh, that's not
good news for these issues of transgender boys playing girl sports,

(45:53):
some of these issues that she has taken on bravely
and been successful in passing. Who takes up that mantle?
She hats off to her because a lot of people
are going to miss I'm going to miss her public
service in the House and in Utah.

Speaker 1 (46:06):
Well, it took, in my opinion, greg a lot of
courage on her part to confront the transgender issue head on,
and she did, and she worked to make it as
acceptable as she possibly could to the LGBTQ community. I
think at one point she felt they had a deal
worked out, and all of a sudden they came back said,
now we want to change things again. Out. But for

(46:28):
a lawmaker, any lawmaker, to take on an issue like that,
in my opinion, takes a lot of guts, well, because
you're going to get heat from everywhere.

Speaker 2 (46:36):
Well in a real legislative body, not the one you
see in Congress in Washington, d C. Where they just
lob bombs at each other from afar and they never
have any actual conversation. There's no there's no real collegiality.
There's no sitting down with people that might not agree
with you. They just they just you know, it's platitudes.
She you do it. In order to get something done
like this, you do have to sit around the table

(46:56):
with stakeholders that don't see the world the way you do.
And you have to work on on bills that can
get the votes to pass out a committee and on
the floor and over there in the Senate as well,
signed by the governor. That takes a lot of real work,
not just not just social media, not just tweets, not
just you know, quotes and and and you have to
do the real work. And she did that. She she
did a lot of work, and you find out in

(47:17):
that process who when you're working, you're trying to work
with stakeholders. Some you know, it's you treat each other
better when you're looking at each other in the same room.
First off, that's the first part. But second, some people
can't keep their word, and you learn that too. Some
some some stakeholders are not as uh, you know, they're
just what they say and what they do don't always
match up, and that that informs the lawmaker going forward

(47:39):
as well.

Speaker 5 (47:39):
Well.

Speaker 1 (47:40):
I hope Greg, there is someone up on the hill
who will pick up the torch yes and carry this
fight against the transgender community. And and I don't know
who it will be, but I mean, you know, she,
like you said, Greg, I mean, she's in the legislature
all day, going home to a family. She also coached,
did she she was a referee. She's a referee. Her
husband was up in Montana and that's where apparently she's

(48:02):
going to be spending more of her time as she should,
to be with her husband and her family. But I
think she'll be missed, I really do. I think she's
done some real hard, difficult work.

Speaker 2 (48:12):
And I will say she plowed some ground when this
wasn't an issue, that this issue was a lot harder
to take on. I think with what's happened even nationally
with Trump being elected, some of the common senses coming
back to Americans. I'm reading a headline here that one
of the first orders of business in the US House,
GOP controlled, is to reintroduce to build a band transgender
athletes from women's sports. So Congress would like to do

(48:34):
what Representative Caro Berkland worked on and passed here in
the state of Utah. Love it, and so I think
when you see this happening nationally, whoever does pick up
that baton and carry it here in Utah, they're going
to have an easier road because of the work she's
already done, and because I think this country's finally waking
up to common sense.

Speaker 1 (48:52):
Well, they've got a platform to work on now as well.
All Right, more coming up on the Rod and Greg
Show and Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine knrs.
I'm Rod Arquette, I'm a citizen Hughes. All Right, big
day today for Donald Trump. Certification of the vote made
official today. But the media just can't seem to let
go what happened four years ago. Greg, I mean, they

(49:13):
just they can't let it go.

Speaker 2 (49:16):
And you know, part of me says, just keep digging
that hole because I just think it's I think they're
just clowns. I think they are clowns about it and
they can't take a hint, which they can't. Just keep
I guess, keep crying like you were.

Speaker 1 (49:28):
Yeah. Well, Jim Acosta, who by the way from CNN
is on the top of clowns. Well, he's on the
top of Donald Trump's Christmas list. Yeah, I know if
you knew that. Yeah, but this is how he started
his morning newscasts today.

Speaker 10 (49:42):
Good morning, you were alive in the CNA newsroom. I'm
Jiamcosta in Washington. Right now, we are following two major
breaking news stories, regaining power and reigniting fears, and just
hours Congress will meet the certified President elect Donald Trump's
twenty twenty four election win, four years to the day
after a mob of his supporters storm the Capitol, smashing

(50:02):
windows and doors, brutally attacking police officers and shocking the nation.

Speaker 1 (50:07):
Regaining power and reigniting.

Speaker 2 (50:10):
Fear, reigniting fear. I don't know he's afraid, Jim Acosta,
other than you you're and you're not even afraid, you're
just sad. Yeah, this guy who's just such his behavior
was so bad when he was part of that White
House Press corps, just just trying to taunt and be
so argumentative and anyway, of course he would start it

(50:30):
well that way, Yeah, reigniting fear as we were as
January sixth, the four year anniversary to the day.

Speaker 1 (50:38):
Yeah, yeah, well obviously he is not paying attention to
his own polling.

Speaker 2 (50:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (50:44):
See an im polster Henry Nson, who does a really
good job I think in breaking Down the Numbers, had
a poll out and it basically said this that nobody
cares about what happened on January sixth.

Speaker 11 (50:55):
It's that people, simply put, didn't care as much about
the attack on the Capitol. Look at the January sixth
is the biggest is your biggest memory of Trump's first
term in office? By the time of twenty twenty four,
look at this, Look at this, it was just five percent,
just five percent of Americans, and among Republicans it was
just two percent. So the bottom line is few Americans

(51:16):
faulted Donald Trump or thought he was greatly responsible for
the January sixth attack. And more than that, as it
went into the rear view mirror, far fewer folks thought
that it was their number one memory.

Speaker 1 (51:25):
Do you get the sins greg that nobody cares? Yeah,
I know him by him.

Speaker 2 (51:31):
Look their selective outrage, their selective logic, they're they're hyperbole.
Everything they've described is now. Look, I will tell you
that the pictures of some guy sitting in the speaker
of the House's office with his feet up on there,
there's no place for that. It's certainly not a four
year prison term, but it's not it's not right. The
people that were on the dais of the Senate and
holding the gabble that is not That is not okay.

(51:54):
But what else was not okay? So I'm not for
political violence and I'm not for you know, breaking in
like that. Yeah, and I don't think any minded person is.
But what also wasn't okay in that same around that
same time period was the riots and the destruction of
private property and the way these cities burned, and even
Salt Lake City, what we saw happen here, All of
this should be seen with the same eye that it

(52:15):
is unacceptable and the punishments for these things should have
been the Lady Justice, whether they blindfold on and the
scale in her hands should have been the same. Whether
you were breaking into the capitol or whether you were rioting.
There should have been consequences for that behavior. We saw
one not only excused, but Kamala Harris as a candidate
raising funds for bail, excusing it, you know, almost praising it.

(52:39):
On the other side, it was somehow turned into they
were trying to destroy our government and overthrow, like a coup,
the United States of America, which was it's just ridiculous
to even say out loud. So I think that's where
people were like, this is nobody was buying it.

Speaker 1 (52:53):
Well, my question would be, then Donald Trump will take
office two weeks from today, does the issue of Blake
in pardon or or does it go through each individual case?
On that, I think he has to go through each
individual case because I agree with you. Some got carried away,
I mean the destruction of property. No that is that
you know you But but it's been four years. Some
of them have been sitting in jail for four years.

(53:15):
How much is too much?

Speaker 2 (53:17):
I think I think that there'll be a I think
it'll be a large part, But I do think you
have to take it on a case by case basis,
and and I don't know if even if you do that,
if if someone's incarcerated for four years or whatever it is,
maybe that time has been served. But I do think
you have to look. You can't just carte blanche do
it all. But I do think you need to look
at it with the eye that I just described to

(53:37):
be fair to all. Because I'll tell you what, there's
some people that were involved, and you look at Liz
Cheney interfering with witnesses in that January sixth commission, or
you look at the people that were the you know,
that were there to help ignite that kind of behavior
that we're FBI, uh what confidential informants and everything else.
I want to know, there's a lot more that went

(53:57):
on in that day and ought to be looked at
as well.

Speaker 1 (53:59):
Yeah, well this is another seeing a commentator, her name
is se cup this is what she had to say.
She said, Look, you know, Joe Biden has made a
lot of mistakes, but one thing he didn't do. He
never encouraged his supporters to go and march on the Capitol,
to go and break the system, to go and break
democracy to go and break the law just so he
could stay in power. His legacy isn't going to be

(54:21):
great or as great as I imagine he wanted it
to be. But he didn't encourage people to march to
the capitol. Donald Trump didn't either, He said you could
see peacefully.

Speaker 2 (54:32):
And to say that Joe Biden has not encouraged people
to push back whatever he has. And what's scary about
Joe Biden is that he didn't do it publicly like
Trump did in terms of peaceful protests of the people.
He went and took his Department of Justice and sent
them after so where people can't see what he's doing

(54:53):
after them. You know, you had pro life protesters that
protested peacefully that they threw in jail, a pastor, others,
an elderly woman, you know. He I mean, they tried
to call parents that were angry at the curriculum and
that were not being informed at their children, that were
questioning their gender, and they tried to define them as

(55:14):
domestic terrorists. And so Joe Biden did a heck of
a lot worse and say go peacefully protest, He did
a heck of a lot worse.

Speaker 6 (55:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (55:21):
Yeah, Well during the Christmas break. You know, we didn't
run this today, but James Carvel said basically, this greg
about this whole thing. He says, you know, there are
a lot of bigger issues in this country than what
happened on January sixth, But that's all that the Democrats
could talk about, along with abortion and along with transgender
and social issues during the twenty twenty four campaign. Americans

(55:43):
want cheaper groceries, Americans want to be able to buy
a house. Americans, you know, there's certain things that they want.
They don't care about this stuff. They want to get
their life headed on a positive path. And the Democrats
didn't talk about that in twenty twenty four. And I
think that's the reason they lost.

Speaker 2 (56:00):
And he calls an idiotic NPR jargon is what he
called it being interviewed, and he just because this guy's
from Louisiana, it probably has on the left, like the
Senator Kennedy from Louisiana, kind of flippant way, you know,
sayings and just just getting to the point. And and
what Carvil's saying is that you guys just you know,
talk down to people. You spoke down to them, You

(56:21):
talk to them like they should be listening to you,
and that they suffer from all moral and intellectual failing
if they don't do exactly what you tell them to do.
And Carvil's saying that that kind of NPR jargon is
is a loser's game.

Speaker 1 (56:34):
Yeah, well, and you still have people. Democrats are really
upset at Joe Biden right now, the way he is
leaving offense.

Speaker 6 (56:40):
Greg.

Speaker 1 (56:41):
This is Jonathan Martin. Now we've had Jonathan on the
show before. He is a reporter of the political He
was on Meet the Press over the weekend talking about
the legacy of Joe Biden. What he had to say.

Speaker 12 (56:51):
It's not worth defending him though, because at every turn
the last year and a half he has taken the
path of the most indulgent turn for himself rather than
the good of the party, by running again, by pardoning
his son, and now frankly, by some of these choices
for a Medal of Freedom, going to Rome for one
last trip.

Speaker 2 (57:09):
He's not exiting in a way that I.

Speaker 12 (57:11):
Think reflects well on his party, and Democrats are deeply,
deeply unhappy.

Speaker 2 (57:15):
About it, and they should be.

Speaker 1 (57:16):
Frank Yeah, they should be unhappy about what he's doing.

Speaker 2 (57:19):
I think he's monetizing, if you want to know the truth,
I don't think so. One of the big breaking stories
today is that he's released eleven Yemeny terrorists from Guantanamo Bay.
They were arrested and detained in the aftermath of nine
to eleven. He's sending them back to the Middle East.
And you get back in the field, get back to work.
There's no way these eleven Yemeny terrorists were on the
front of his mind anywhere. Somebody was paid and given

(57:42):
a lot of money to make their case to Biden.
And I'm going to tell you Biden doesn't send these people,
doesn't do this without it benefiting him and his he
and his family, just as he did with his vice presidents,
just as they have always done. And I think that
if you look, I think we have more coming. I
think that what he's doing by way of pardons and
presidential medals of honor, freedom, whatever, I just think it's

(58:04):
gonna stink more and more.

Speaker 1 (58:05):
Well, they've got thirteen days. Thirteen a long time you
can do a lot of damage. We'll talk more about
that transition period coming up a little bit later on
in the show. All Right, more coming up here on
the Rod and Greg Show and Utah's Talk Radio one
oh five nine kN rs.

Speaker 2 (58:19):
I'm runn Arquette, I'm Citizen Hughes.

Speaker 1 (58:21):
Starting twenty twenty five, we were just talking about food
that we like and don't like. Yeah, made fun of
something that I like. I can't bring it up. You say, yes,
this is guy radio.

Speaker 2 (58:31):
Do Finicky. It doesn't. It's not a good look for you.

Speaker 1 (58:33):
We were talking about restaurants that we miss Yeah, yes,
And I brought up the training table.

Speaker 2 (58:38):
I used to I used to dig that restaurant.

Speaker 1 (58:40):
Boy.

Speaker 2 (58:40):
I used to love to pick up that phone and
tell them I already knew my order. I had down
in those cheese fries. I think this is because it's
five point fifty and it's like, you know, I think
I'm ready. I'm getting hungry. So I think we're talking
about that. What are the restaurants?

Speaker 1 (58:52):
I love their blue bacon cheeseburger. Yes, yeah, it was
a good it was a good hamburger. It was.

Speaker 2 (58:58):
I liked the business model I miss trained.

Speaker 1 (59:00):
I thought they were coming back.

Speaker 2 (59:02):
I wish they would. I wish I wish they would.
I you don't have a good wood. We have that
in Draper. I like it.

Speaker 1 (59:08):
I like Goodwood. You know, there are certain restaurants that
are up north.

Speaker 2 (59:11):
Is it called Goodwood?

Speaker 1 (59:13):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (59:13):
That's the name of the restaurant I love and I
tell you what. They got a burg on old fashion
burger there. I love that burger. And I love their
steak fries.

Speaker 1 (59:19):
Yeah, they're really really good. If steak fries are done right, yeah,
pretty darn pretty good.

Speaker 2 (59:25):
I like it. I like it.

Speaker 1 (59:26):
Yeah. Yeah. I'm trying to think of any other restaurant
out there that we don't go to any or we
you know, it doesn't exactly. There was one, uh in Caysville,
cavee down. He used to be called Granty Annie's, Okay, okay, uh.
Then it was purchased by a guy who really tried
to turn it around named Annie's. Lasted about two or
three years, and then last year he had to shut
it down. It just I mean, you know, it was

(59:49):
costing him nine hundred thousand dollars more year just to
run something like that. That one of the local media
outlets did a story on it. And I missed those
old fashioned.

Speaker 2 (59:58):
Yeah restaurants we don't have, we don't. It's it's hard
to hold on to the old family owned restaurants or
even fast food places with the shakes you know that
you love.

Speaker 5 (01:00:07):
Well.

Speaker 1 (01:00:08):
An example, there's a place that's been around for a
long time up there called Sills Cafe, and a lot
of people who live in Davids County know what I mean.
You can't get into that place. I mean we tried
on Friday to go have some breakfast with some friends'll
be a forty five minute wait. And this was at
ten o'clock out of Friday morning.

Speaker 2 (01:00:24):
You know, we have a this is its second restaurant
or they have more than one Penny and cafe, that's
do they Yeah, they had one.

Speaker 1 (01:00:32):
They run a chicken and waffles.

Speaker 2 (01:00:34):
They do a lot of good things and that a
Penny and caf But that but to your point, like
sometimes I go by it and it's just so crowded.
I'm like, well, it's good, but I don't know if
I want to wait you want to wait that long?
But it's it's good food, and I hope they stick around.
You know, they had a Pack twelve kind of bomblet
like every olmlet was the name of a Pack twelve team.
I don't know what they're doing now that yeah, but
now I don't know what they're gonna do now that
the pack twelve is gone there. Yeah, you can need

(01:00:56):
to expand your horizons.

Speaker 1 (01:00:58):
No, no, no, sound isn't it a Southern dish? Yeah
it is, you know. And what I liked about they
put the chicken right in the middle of the waffles.

Speaker 2 (01:01:07):
Yeah, and no, it's I'm absolutely absolutely I loved. I
like breack I can actually I like brunches because I
like breakfast food more than lunch food. I love olmets,
I love eggs, Benedict, I love all eggs.

Speaker 5 (01:01:22):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (01:01:23):
Don't you do something on Christmas? I do omelets?

Speaker 2 (01:01:26):
I do, and I have a special toaster that toasts
the bread with the word steelers across the bread. So
I make maid don't order omelets. I chop up all
the onions and the and the green peppers, and we
have we have mushrooms.

Speaker 5 (01:01:38):
I have.

Speaker 2 (01:01:38):
I sizzle the ham and put it all together and
then made to order omelets and my steelers toast on
English toasting bread, which, by the way, it tastes excellent.

Speaker 1 (01:01:48):
Can you find where where do you find English toasting?

Speaker 2 (01:01:51):
Queen Bee finds it? I don't we we we went
without it last year because the supermarket we went to
usually had it didn't have it anymore. But she found
English toasting bread and it was it was, oh yeah,
it hasn't it's it's good.

Speaker 1 (01:02:03):
What do you put in your omelet?

Speaker 2 (01:02:05):
I put it. I do the kitchen sink almond, I
do the green peppers, the onions, I do the mushrooms.
I do the ham, and lots of cheese.

Speaker 1 (01:02:12):
I do avocados. No, yeah, I'm.

Speaker 2 (01:02:16):
Not from California. I'm not doing some chici.

Speaker 1 (01:02:18):
Omelet, tomatoes, no bacon bits.

Speaker 2 (01:02:21):
No I don't I can. I mean, I look.

Speaker 1 (01:02:24):
You're more of a food snob than im.

Speaker 2 (01:02:26):
Look, I like everything I just mentioned in my omelet.
I put in the pan a nice sere and I
cooked before I even put the battery of the eggs.

Speaker 1 (01:02:33):
You're supposed to do that, aren't you.

Speaker 2 (01:02:35):
Some don't actually something. Yeah, some are different.

Speaker 1 (01:02:37):
I thought you were supposed to do that.

Speaker 2 (01:02:39):
So I sizzle it all up, make it really nice
and see it in the sharp you know it's charred.
And then I put the omelet. Yeah, the eggs in,
and then you put the actually fold it. You put
the egg you put the cheese at the very in
and then when you fold it over, that's what melts
the cheese.

Speaker 1 (01:02:53):
Speaking of food, there was a report in CNBC today
that experts are saying high food prices are here to stay.

Speaker 2 (01:03:01):
The better not be my wife will go on a
full on rebellion. She's not. She is done with these
high food prices. It's half the reason she voted for Trump.
She wants these food prices down.

Speaker 1 (01:03:11):
Going to bring hard, to be hard to bring them down.
But if your energy prices are lower, that's the point
that she is involved in so much of this. Wouldn't
they come down?

Speaker 2 (01:03:19):
They have to. I don't know. I don't know how
mathematically you don't get cheaper food prices if your cost
of transportation, that's your fuel everything. If energy prices are
coming down, which is what during the campaign both Trump
and JD. Vance argued for, you would see these these
other consumer goods come down because of it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:38):
Well, I'm with you. They've got to come down. I
mean you go to the grocery store now, we're trying
to buy a quarter side of beef for whatever, for
our freezer beef extension.

Speaker 2 (01:03:47):
It is whoa, there's more horses than cows in America
right now, which I don't understand why really, Yeah, it's
a terrible stat that.

Speaker 1 (01:03:55):
Yeah, all right, our number three is coming up to
stay with us.

Speaker 2 (01:04:00):
I'm citizen Greg Hughes, and I'm excited about this next
guest we have. Yeah, are we ready to go because
guy Shiraki is going to join us to talk about
this time between election a presidential.

Speaker 1 (01:04:12):
Electionber fifth, which was list past year, November.

Speaker 2 (01:04:15):
Fifth, and then the like the I don't know what's
it been three years since that's happened. So we still
have and we have all these pardons, and we have
all these executive orders, and we have all this work
being done, so called work before we can get our
elected newly elected president in charge. We got what we
got to talk this out. Yes, yes, it's actually really
good topic.

Speaker 1 (01:04:34):
I think a guy wrote a terrific article on this
and said, you know the world has changed, that's right,
right from when this amen past. But it is time
to change the twentieth Amendment and I think we should
move the data. Let's see, Congress was born in what
was it late last week? Right? The third right? So
why aren't we you know, swearing in the president like
this week? It should have I makes sense, doesn't it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:56):
I'm on that team. I hadn't really thought of it before,
but this this feels particularly long, this election to inauguration.
It's felt very long, right to me, So I'm into
this topic.

Speaker 1 (01:05:07):
Sure well. Joining us right now is Guys Hiraki. He
wrote about this today and a great article in the
Daily Color. He is a senior fellow at the Commonwealth Foundation. Guy,
how are you welcome to the Rod and Gregg Show.

Speaker 13 (01:05:20):
Good evening. I have to tell you the last segment.
I've already had dinner, but you keep talking about baking
cheeseburgers to get.

Speaker 1 (01:05:29):
Gay. Are you feeling the same thing that we're feeling
about this change of power? And why it's taking so long?
We want to get going? What's holding us up?

Speaker 13 (01:05:39):
Yeah? So what's holding us up is the Constitution. And look,
I don't rush into saying we should change the Constitution
every day for every little thing that comes up, but
this is a big deal and we look went, you know.

Speaker 5 (01:05:52):
Back back into start.

Speaker 13 (01:05:53):
George Washington, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson. The swearing in wasn't
until March fourth, but that was a the world where
people were in horse and buggy and getting information took
weeks and months, so that made sense. Then in the
nineteen thirties the world had change and they decided that
March fourth wasn't necessary and moved it to January twentieth.
That was enough time to get people moving across the

(01:06:15):
nation and the cabinet in place. But it's almost one
hundred years later, the world has changed. We're going to
have seventy nine days this year. This is insane to
have seventy nine days, particularly when you're changing parties where
the voters have asked for a change in direction. And
that's why I wrote about it. I said, look, you
know it won't affect Trump and Biden, but going forward,
there's no reason in the twenty first century that we

(01:06:37):
need seventy nine days as transition and as we're seeing
what happens is the outgoing president is left to have
a taxpayer funded political operation of issuing pardons and issuing
regulations and frankly, doing many things that are counter to
what the voters just voted for. So we need to

(01:06:58):
speed this up. I think thirty or four twenty five
days is plenty of time. We certainly don't need seventy nine.

Speaker 2 (01:07:03):
Guy, you've been in the political arena for a long time,
and so you've seen a lot of this, You've got
a lot of experience on a lot of different fronts.
We had a guest on earlier on the program talking
about some of the environmentalists movements. Right now, you've got
Joe Biden who has banned offshore drilling, and to many
of us, we'd say, well, as soon as Trump comes in,
he can negate that right away. It was explained to
us that they set up a legal structure that would

(01:07:24):
take a year or more to be able to undo
some of the things that Biden has done in coordination
with some of these environmentalist groups. So this time between
election and a swearing in gives them the knowing that
he's not coming back, gives them time so they can
create all these bear traps for the incoming administration where
they actually cannot do the things they campaigned on. Do

(01:07:46):
you see that in this case, in the case of
shore drilling, but do you see that happening in politics
or in policy in addition to offshore drilling? Is are
there things that are being done right now to keep
President Trump from being able to fulfill his campaign promises?

Speaker 6 (01:08:01):
Sure?

Speaker 13 (01:08:01):
Well, the first is the issuing of pardons that have
already happened. And second the suggestion that some of the
members of the January sixth committee may be issued presidential pardons.
So that's greatly limiting Congress's ability or the Justice Department
with a fresh set of eyes to look at these things.
The other thing that's happening is there's been a lot

(01:08:22):
of talk about Elon Musk and the veik Ramaswami and
what they could do to try and make government more efficient. Well,
what happened right around Christmas, when not coachs you're paying attention,
is that the Biden administration basically made a deal with
the federal government employees union saying they don't have to
come back to work at all next year. Now, whether

(01:08:46):
the President Trump can undo that or not, I don't know,
But why are we going to spend weeks, months or
years in court fighting with this. We're trying to make
government more efficient, government more responsive, and without getting caught
up into the whole rabbit hole as to whether people
are more efficient working at home or not. But the
reality is President Biden on the heels of an election

(01:09:06):
where the public said, we want government to be more responsive,
we want people to work for us instead of feeling
like we work for the government. President Biden knew exactly
what he was doing, or shall I say, his advisors
and staff with the executive vote in front of him,
knew exactly what they're doing. And that's a roadblock. So
you know, whether whether you're a business waiting for a
permit from the EPA, or you're a business waiting for

(01:09:29):
an inspection or a follow up from the Department of Labor,
these folks are working out of their homes and maybe
some of them are working diligently, but some of them aren't.
And maybe we don't need all those folks. So I mean,
those are just a few examples of doing things purposefully
that are counter to what the voters just voted for.
I don't think the founding fathers had that in mind.

(01:09:51):
That the delay was to let people travel by horseback,
let information get back and forth. In this day and age,
we don't need to do it. And it's not an
exact example, but as I point out in my column,
you know, in Great Britain, the transition is one day.
Now it's a little different to parliamentary ours, and our
government's a little bigger, but heck if they if they

(01:10:13):
can change parties in twenty four hours, you know, maybe
thirty days is enough. We certainly don't need seventy nine
because this is the sort of stuff that happens. And
look at the same token, when when a president gets
re elected, we don't need seventy nine days to wait
for hearings if he wants he or she wants to
change cabinet secretary, if you're handing it off, if Joe
Biden was handing this off to Kamala Harris, she didn't

(01:10:35):
need seventy nine days. And when you were switching parties,
we really don't need seventy nine days. As Americans, we're
not waiting. I mean, the idea that President Trump doesn't
get to do any of the things he promised to
do for seventy nine days is insane in this day
and age, particularly with an outgoing president that's putting up roadblock.

Speaker 1 (01:10:53):
Well, let me ask you, this guy, is it is it?
You know, this was an election of change. In my opinion,
American had had enough with what was going on in Washington,
and really since Barack Obama's been in the White House,
they wanted change and they want changed now. Yet we
have to wait a z point out for seventy nine days.
I've never felt this until this election, that what is

(01:11:13):
taking things so long?

Speaker 13 (01:11:17):
Yeah, and I think we're right to ask in these
moments of crisis. I mean, think about all that's going
on in the world. I mean, you touched on it, right.
Think of all the things, all of the issues that
were on the ballot, from the Ukraine Russian War to
Americans still being held hostage. We don't talk about it,
but there are still four Americans held hostage. Amongst all

(01:11:37):
the hostages that Hamas took the southern border wide open,
the energy issue, and as you said, the moratorium on
drillings and bans, the different law and order issues, the
illegal immigrants that are in this country. Joe Biden's Justice
Department said that there are tens of thousands of people
here that have criminal records that they're aware of. That's

(01:12:01):
why we suddenly feel like, gosh, this is a long time,
because you know, God, you know, I mean, think of
if this was you know, if your if your house
was on fire or your house was being robbed, and
they said the cops will be there in seventy nine days.
Don't worry about it. And for many of us, as
we look at the southern border, as we're looking at
gasoline prices that are still a dollar or a dollar

(01:12:23):
and a half more than they used to be, we
feel that way. We say, you know, we're waiting for it.
And look, some of these things that President Trump wants
to do, they're not going to happen overnight. So when
you're ready for change, you want change to start right away.
This transition should take place in December and we should
already be talking about the first thirty days of the
Trump administration, not having.

Speaker 1 (01:12:44):
To wait two more weeks.

Speaker 2 (01:12:45):
I think your your points are well taken, especially when
you see globally, like justin Truoc Doughs from Canada that
I'd say the fifty first governor of the state of
Canada resigned today. I think that's in reaction to Trump's selection.
You see some of the happenings at the at the
border in terms of crossings have slowed down because of
the of the change in the election. It's almost like

(01:13:06):
the world has already moved and understands where Trump is going,
but he still has yet to take the take the
take hold of things. You know, you grab the levers. What
Changing the constitution is not easy by design? How do
you see how you foresee your this discussion or even
an effort like this happening. Is it just is it
just some an interesting thing to talk about, or do
you see a path to get something like this done?

Speaker 13 (01:13:30):
Well? I think that every day that goes by President
Biden and his administration are helping make the case for it. Look,
changing the Constitution isn't easy, and we shouldn't change it
overnight every time a group of us are upset or
disappointed or frustrated. Right, this is something that's supposed to
last for decades or hundreds of years. Look, I think

(01:13:50):
it has to be It has to be a movement
amongst the states. We need you need thirty four states
to go ahead and pass a resolution to do it.
But we've had we've had the opportunities in the past. Again,
we changed this. We went from March fourth to January
twentieth because we recognized that government needed to move faster.
Think about it one hundred years yougo in nineteen thirty four,

(01:14:11):
we had come out of one war. There was fear
that the second war in Europe was about to start.
We were coming out of a depression. There were real crises,
There were waves and waves of Americans coming here from Europe.
America's population was growing. I mean, it's not dissimilar from today.
So this has to be a grassroots moment. It starts

(01:14:32):
in the state, and I think Utah ought to go first.
And if you go first, I'll get.

Speaker 2 (01:14:37):
Pennsylvania as well.

Speaker 1 (01:14:39):
You're talking to a guy, my co host guy. If
you didn't, you didn't know, this is a Pittsburgh native.
So he thinks the entire state of Pennsylvania does what
he says they should do. He's a powerful right.

Speaker 13 (01:14:52):
I understand that he's from Pittsburgh and and that's okay,
And I forgive him because all of my wife, all
my mother in law, and all of her family is
from from Greater Pittsburgh. And I knew what Braddock was
long before Senator John Fetterman came along.

Speaker 2 (01:15:07):
Here here with the A yes, so am I guy Shrocky.
Your name sounds familiar from thirty six years ago. I
worked with Elsie Hillman and the Bush Quail eighty eight
campaign John Denny, and I swear I knew there was
a guy SHERROCKI around there somewhere I don't know if
that was you, but name sounds familiar.

Speaker 13 (01:15:22):
That was that was that was thank you for outing
me in terms of my age.

Speaker 8 (01:15:27):
Yeah, and that's why, you know, and that's why I mean,
you know, we've seen this before, right, We've seen transitions before,
and some of them were gone smoothly.

Speaker 13 (01:15:37):
Look, and not to take us down another path, but
you know, there's a lot of focus today on the
issue of transitions of power and transfers of power, and
there's a lot of ways to be disruptive and it
doesn't necessarily involve violence or anger or protest. What you're
seeing here today, what we've seen the last three weeks

(01:15:58):
out of the Biden administration.

Speaker 5 (01:15:59):
Is real to you know.

Speaker 13 (01:16:02):
It's nice that the President Trump visited at the White
House and they sat in front of the fireplace and
they said the appropriate things to make us all feel good.
But what Biden is doing now is putting sand in
the wheels. He's coming things up. Not unlike what we've
heard from other governors and other mayors around the country
in Colorado and California, in Chicago, we're not going to

(01:16:22):
cooperate with plans to send people back. I mean, there's
a lot of ways to reject the outcome of the election.
There's a lot of ways to disrupt the transfer of power,
and we're watching it in real time. And I hope
that folks, if both parties understand. Look, I imagine that then
President elect Obama's folks back in two thousand and eight

(01:16:42):
going into nine, the economy was bad. You know, folks
had had their fill of the Republican Party at the time.
I imagine they thought sitting around for seventy nearly eighty
days was crazy too. And when the voters, when we
want to change, we should have it. You know, can't
us and instantly, instantly, but we should really get moving quickly.

(01:17:05):
And we don't need this. And as you alluded to, Greg,
look the world is watching, and the world, you know,
with all due respect and all due humility, this is
in Canada, that's true.

Speaker 1 (01:17:17):
Thank Italy, it's.

Speaker 13 (01:17:18):
The United States of America. We have allies and enemies.
They need to know who's in charge. And as you're
seeing right now, the Prime Minister of Italy's visiting the
president of France invited Trump for the Notre Dame dedication.
The world is sort of looking at two presidents, but
only one can spend and only one's in charge of
the military and the intelligence services. We shouldn't have this.

(01:17:41):
There's no reason to The new president can be in
Washington in hours. He or she can assemble a cabinet
in thirty days or less. Let's get Congress sworn in December.

Speaker 5 (01:17:50):
First.

Speaker 13 (01:17:51):
Let's get a new president in the middle of December
and get about the business of change and reform. The
people are voted for and waiting for. There's no reason
that we have to pretend it's nineteen thirty.

Speaker 1 (01:18:01):
Agreed, Agreed, Agreed, guy, great having you on the show.
I thank you, guy. Are the changes that the American
people won Greg? Do you think they'll take place this year?

Speaker 2 (01:18:12):
I do. I'm super polish.

Speaker 1 (01:18:14):
I'm hoping they do.

Speaker 2 (01:18:15):
Well. Let me just say this, I'm super optimistic because
I don't think you're getting another window like this. I
think it's so shot.

Speaker 1 (01:18:22):
I agree with you.

Speaker 2 (01:18:22):
I just got all three bodies we got. I mean,
I heard during the campaign season, I heard these Republican
centers well placed. I heard so many people say there's
no way possible at all that you're going to get
the White House, the Senate, in the House. It's never
going to happen, and here we are. It's happened. But
so I think it's our best chance to get something
done that's impactful, that preserves this union. And so I'm up.

(01:18:47):
I'm up and happy.

Speaker 1 (01:18:47):
Well, don't stay up with me as well as far
as my forecast, because I was I've been saying for
a number of years now, I don't think of presidential
a Republican presidential candidate can ever win the national vote.

Speaker 2 (01:18:58):
It shouldn't happen. Yeah, Donald Trump, that's out.

Speaker 1 (01:19:01):
That's what's so amazing about.

Speaker 2 (01:19:02):
This because he didn't do it with all Republican votes,
because there's a lot of people everyday, Americans that don't
vote at all. I never saw a difference between the
Republicans and Democrats. That saw a difference with Trump, and
I think it's why he had such a resounding victory.
But you didn't see as much in the in Congress.

Speaker 1 (01:19:16):
There was a breakdown today, Greg he won more of
the minority vote we're talking about blacks and Hispanics, than
any Republican has ever done.

Speaker 2 (01:19:24):
I know this, it's not a surprise, but we want
to hear from you. Our listeners are Look, you're the
I'm excited to be back because I love the calls.
I love the comments that our listeners make when we
talk about an issue. We just dug into this issue
about when we should be seeing this change of power,
peaceful transfer of power? Is seventy nine days too much time? Yes,

(01:19:46):
they changed it once from March to January? Should it
in twenty twenty five? Should we be talking seriously about
a quicker transition? So let's go to the phones and
let's talk to Diane, who's been on hold. Diane from
Salt Lake City. Welcome to the Rotting Greg Show. Welcome
to twenty twenty five.

Speaker 14 (01:20:01):
Thank you, hey, thanks, I appreciate you got you two
have a great new year. I appreciate you guys so much.

Speaker 13 (01:20:12):
I love your show.

Speaker 1 (01:20:13):
Thank you.

Speaker 14 (01:20:14):
Jim. About the current TOVIC, I just wanted to say,
in my humble opinion, this is the Democrats are changing
the constitution right and left. You know, why can't we
do something that's so very important every single one of
us in this country and get from Trump in there.
You know, Biden is an absent president. We need somebody

(01:20:37):
responsible in there right now, right now. Be the first
to show up to protest this.

Speaker 1 (01:20:44):
I'm with you, Diana. I just I just think we're
living in a very dangerous time and we've had a
man whose cognitive ability to have failed. All right. Just
see yesterday he cussed at reporters for asking a very
simple question.

Speaker 2 (01:20:58):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (01:20:59):
I know more GD world leaders than any of you do,
so quit asking me questions. I mean, he has not
been there, and we've left the country in his hands
and we will for seventy nine days after the American
people said we don't want you anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:21:13):
And again the world has shifted, They've invited it, they're
reaching out to Donald Trump. Everyone's moved on, but you
have this administration still hanging on, and everything that they're
doing really is, I think, work towards obstructing what this
incoming administration will be.

Speaker 1 (01:21:27):
Able to do. Yeah, I'm with you, Greg. I mean
they took it from March to January. Okay, yep, still
not quite in the horse and buggy days, but it
was closed. You know, communication travel nothing like it is today.
So what are we waiting?

Speaker 2 (01:21:43):
If you look at the technological it's just a communication
improvement from George Washington and a March swearing in to
FDR's time, and you look at how things changed. Then
you go from FDR's time to today, minimally we're are
we've progressed just as far getting advance, I say, even
more with technology. So no, we don't need something.

Speaker 1 (01:22:02):
We don't mean this. No, let's go to David in
Salt Lake City. It wants to weigh in on this tonight. David,
Welcome to the Rod and Greg Show.

Speaker 5 (01:22:10):
Hey, guys, how are you doing? Happy New Year?

Speaker 1 (01:22:11):
Happy New year to you as well.

Speaker 5 (01:22:14):
Well. I'm hoping that President Trump takes the immigration issue
and takes it away from the Democrats. We need to
strengthen the border. We need to fix immigration. But we
have all those immigrants that voted for President Trump or
you know, that are legal to vote. If we if
we legalize DACA, we make a pathway, you know, the
citizenship for the people that are here that haven't committed crimes.

(01:22:36):
And we open up a visitor work program or something
we would have, we would own that issue. We would
take it away from the Democrats. I'm hoping that something
like that has done.

Speaker 1 (01:22:46):
Boy, that's a that's a good point, you Meank, David,
and I hope I think there is room for some
changes in the immigration and I hope they're Republicans and Conservatives.
I go back to what I've always said. Number one,
secure the border.

Speaker 2 (01:22:58):
You have to do that.

Speaker 5 (01:22:59):
Yeh, do it.

Speaker 2 (01:23:00):
That's for step number one.

Speaker 1 (01:23:01):
And I think that's step number two. Get rid of
all the illegal immigrants that are in this country that
are committing crimes. Yep, if you're here illegally committing crimes,
you're gone.

Speaker 2 (01:23:10):
Well the irony is And that's to David's point. Look,
if we don't make a legal migration, and I don't
know what that number is, by the way, there needs
to be a number that we talk about by way
of immigration, so we can be talking about something real.
What does the rest of the world do? What do
we do? New York Times reported that we saw during
the Maid administration a greater influx of illegal and even

(01:23:30):
the so called asylum it's a made up term of
people just to could say the word and come in
a greater influx than we saw during the Elus Island
days in late eighteen hundreds, early nineteen hundred. That was
like our peak. Yeah, well this last four years was
higher than that. That is just unsustainable and it just
will really harm this country in so many different ways.
But if you don't make it, if you don't have

(01:23:51):
some common sense ways and some expectations on how to
migrate into this country legally, then you're actually promoting the
illegal entry into this country. You're actually incentive it if
you don't have a system that makes any kind of sense.
I love during our holiday break you saw this robust
debate about the H one B Specialty VSS between It

(01:24:12):
was vive Ak and and Elon Musk on one side,
and then people saying, hey, we've got enough work talent here,
we don't need to bring in all these visas. And
it was so good because I thought it was respectful.
It was it brought a lot of information in the table.
People did research in terms of what the jobs were
that weren't so specialty or didn't require the high to
you know, education of at least a bachelor's degree, and
all that they were working as truck drivers and other things.

(01:24:35):
In reality, that debate was a beautiful debate to see
happen online and on Twitter or on x And it
wasn't like the Democrats where you have to have one
opinion and you're not allowed to get off the the
you know, the sheet music. There was a real good,
robust debate about it, and everybody kept it respectful. That's
that debate has to happen because I believe in it.
I believe in legal immigration, and we've got to stop

(01:24:55):
the illegal.

Speaker 1 (01:24:56):
Well, I think David Mega made a very good point
here Greg as well. If they're Republicans right now, they're
in control at least for the next two years, yep.
If they can make some positive steps toward immigration refour
all right. I think they take the issue away from
the Democrats. I really think what are the Democrats going
to say?

Speaker 2 (01:25:13):
I say, tall wall, wide gate, Baby.

Speaker 1 (01:25:15):
There we go, there we go? All right. More coming
up on the Rod and Greg Show in Utah's Talk
Radio one oh five nine knrs.

Speaker 2 (01:25:21):
Do you know that last year January third was a
was the first business day after the new year. I
don't know whether that was a Monday or not. It
was January third, and it was a wingman Wednesday. So
we began the year. Really, yes, I began the year
wingman Wednesday. And so I was here with you to
start the year in twenty twenty four. But I was

(01:25:43):
just I was just your wingman once a week back.

Speaker 1 (01:25:46):
Now you're here all the time.

Speaker 2 (01:25:47):
But now you're ready to rot in Greg show. But
I just thought that was what to get rid of you.
But that's it. You don't sound very convincing.

Speaker 1 (01:25:55):
No, I run into a lot of people who say
Greg's and Knight's addition to the show, you guys get
along very well. You have a lot of fun. You
talk about issues that are important that other talk shows
in this town will not address. We're we're unafraid that's
right now anything.

Speaker 2 (01:26:12):
And I'll tell you this, folks. You might not know
this about Rod is his life. He's spent about one
hundred and thirty years in this business. That never once
have I and I've worried, you know, we work for
you know, a larger company, and I've wondered sometimes and
I've some new with this. I've said, can I is
it all right to talk? He's never once held me back.
There's nothing that's ever off the table. We are able

(01:26:32):
to explore any and all issues.

Speaker 1 (01:26:33):
Well, you're because you're new with this, well not checking
and you have said to me, can we talk about that?

Speaker 2 (01:26:39):
That's when you want to have the swear words on
our that's the part. You're a bit of a swear
bear on there are a.

Speaker 1 (01:26:45):
Couple of issues and I've told you you just got
to go for it. Man.

Speaker 2 (01:26:48):
Yeah, you have actually afraid.

Speaker 1 (01:26:50):
For people to agree or disagree with you.

Speaker 2 (01:26:52):
Well, I'm not afraid of that. There's been other issues
that I've thought, well, can you get that brazen? Can
we jump out that far? And you've you've never always
said you do it, not me, but you still let
me do it. So yeah, No, it's good. It's been.
It's been this show.

Speaker 1 (01:27:07):
And this year I'm so excited about because we want change,
Greg and how much change are we going to get?
Because I mentioned this earlier on the show, the American
people are looking for the Republicans to govern and to
get things done, and if they don't do it, they're
going to be out the door in two years.

Speaker 2 (01:27:23):
I'll give you an example. I mean, there's some people
in Congress who think that that it's not and it
is not the role of the executive branch to cut
the budget. It is truly the legislative branch. Having come
from a legislative branch, but the nerve, the courage to
do it has been you can't find it in Congress.
And I think that the strength of Donald Trump and

(01:27:45):
the people he's empowering is going to, you know, bring
some some strength to that Congress, because there's a reason
you only have the smallest majority of what two three
members in the history of our country. It's because I
believe that the American people have not been able to
discern the difference between a Democrat and Republican in the swamp.
So you better start looking a lot lot different than

(01:28:06):
the Democrats and the Republicans have in the years past.

Speaker 1 (01:28:10):
I'm not sure of this, Greg. I hope he can
do it, but I think Mike Johnson's got to have
the ability to occasionally crack the whip and say, you
guys are voting for this if you like it or not.
Nancy Pelosi ran that House with that iron fist. You
didn't dare cross Nancy Pelosi or you were in a
closet somewhere in Washington. That's what Mike Johnson has to do.

Speaker 2 (01:28:32):
I'd put it this way. I wouldn't put it that way.
I would just say it this way. If I'm the
speaker of a House and we have the majority, and
admittedly a small majority meaning three people, and by the way,
it doesn't have to be just Thomas Massey and chip Roy.
It could be moderates or rhinos. They could decide to
jump ship and join the Democrats when you have that
small of a majority in your majority caucus. If I

(01:28:56):
were a speaker, I'd say the decisions about what we
do happen and the votes are counted in this room.
We don't go outside this room to get our votes.
It's time and we stay in here till we get it.
So you don't get a protest vote, you don't get
to you don't get a moral victory. We are going
to get to the number that we need to make
the decision in this room. America has sent Republicans to

(01:29:16):
be a majority. If you don't do that, then you're
what's called a what a coalition government. You're like the
you know, you're like Canada or Britain. You're a coalition government.
You have different parties and then you you create a
coalition of votes so you can get something done. The
Republicans have been a coalition government with the Democrats for
too long. Decide it inside that room. Nobody is a

(01:29:39):
perfect can be the enemy of good, but you get
those votes inside the room. That's where decision needs to
be made. And that's the mind shift. Mindset that has
to shift with the with Congress.

Speaker 1 (01:29:48):
What you've always said, if you're in the majority, act
like the majority.

Speaker 2 (01:29:51):
You better act like if you've got to go to Democrats.
You got to go to Democrats get your votes, and
you're not the major. You're just by by definition you're
not the majority because you got to go to the
Democrats ask for the vote, and they come with demands.

Speaker 1 (01:30:02):
Those votes they do well. And here's the thing, there
is a great opportunity because Democrats still are trying to
figure out what happened back in November. Fish, yes, there's
I mean Chuck Schumer. Oh played with somebody from Chuck Schumer.
He was on Meet the Press yesterday with Kirsten Welker, right,
and he was asked to analyze what happened. Did you
make a mistake and he said, no, we didn't make

(01:30:22):
any mistakes. Could He was asked specifically about covering up
Joe Biden. He said, we didn't cover it up. But
then he went on to say I love this. He
talked about why they lost and he said this, we
were just too good for Americans to handle.

Speaker 15 (01:30:37):
So we did a lot of good things, but all
too often, Kristen, we talked about the mechanics of the
legislation and the details of the legislation, and we really
didn't show the kind of empathy and concern to average
or show enough of it to average working families who
didn't realize how much we had done and how much

(01:30:59):
we can for them.

Speaker 1 (01:31:01):
Is that arrogance or what?

Speaker 2 (01:31:02):
No. We tracked that mindset from day one. We said
that they they're telling you you have money dysmorphia. You
have it so good, and you're just not smart enough,
keen enough to get it to know how good you
have it. That's what Chuck schuer just said again. I
hope they keep that attitude. It will it will keep
the Republican Party the party of the everyday hardworking American.

(01:31:22):
And that's what I want, I'm telling you. For him
to say what he just said there is just striking.
We just didn't articulate or tell them how good. We
didn't have empathy to help them, help show them how
good they really had it. They haven't had it good.
We have not had it good. This has been a
brutal four years of this Biden administration. It's indefensible. I've
got a clip on my tablet here from back when

(01:31:46):
Trump was president, where Schumer was going after Trump over
the high gas prices and I think they were like
two dollars and ninety cents a gallon, and he was
holding a press conference in front of this gas station,
ripping the Trump administration for these out of control gasces
being too high. You know, somehow that all just disappeared
once we got the four plus dollars a gallon. With
the Biden administration, he have a word to say. They

(01:32:08):
just they have not done it right, and they have
covered up a president that's not been there. He wasn't
there as a candidate in twenty years. I saw it
back then.

Speaker 1 (01:32:17):
No, well, and I go back Greek. I don't think
it's just the last four years of Joe Biden. I
think it's the twelve year or the what eight years
of Barack Obama. We ran a ruption from Donald Trump
that the American people have started. You know, Barack Obama
slowly introduced some of these very progressive ideas and he
tried to do as much, but he always didn't have
Congress behind him. He didn't have the House behind him

(01:32:38):
all the time. And he got to a certain point
but then he had to stop. Biden comes in and
the Obama team looked at Donald Trump says, oh, he's
a wounded warrior. He'll never make a comeback. So let's
go at it full throttle. And that's what they've done
in the past four years. And I think that's where
the American people are going. Looking. You tell us all
these great things and these progressive ideas, and America will

(01:33:01):
be a better place. It's not. And that's when the
American people went no more exactly right.

Speaker 2 (01:33:08):
We saw this country change and not good ways. When
Biden took office, his hope and change was just a ruse,
and they were as wickedly partisan and brutal as you've
ever seen an administration going around even Congress. I heard,
I remember hearing hearing Harry Read at a banquet complain about,
complain about as a Democrat, a majority leader in the Senate,
the Barack Obama going around them constantly. But what he

(01:33:31):
got in this last four years of the Biden administration
is he got those cabinet members came to him in Georgetown,
at his home in Georgetown. They were lined up. He
was holding court every day with the Biden administration still
directing things. I don't know. I don't know a story
like that of past presidents that got that kind of
control and that kind of influence. And it was, to
your point, the continuation of what he had done for

(01:33:53):
eight years, pushing going for broke in the four years
he had Biden not paying attention, not knowing what to do,
and he was really calling the shots.

Speaker 1 (01:34:02):
Well, I think this is the only president, and there
may be somebody out there correct me on this, the
only president who after he was you know, out of office,
decided to stay in Washington. I don't know another and
I don't know another one who did that.

Speaker 2 (01:34:16):
No, I don't either a two term or two he didn't.
It'sund like he you know, he felt like he deserved that,
bought a house in Washington and staying there he did.
And I said he helped Court and I think he
ran the show.

Speaker 1 (01:34:26):
Right. Were coming up on the Roden greg Show in
Utah's Talk radio one oh five nine K and Are asked,
I think it's agreed. We had a lot of downtime. Yes,
during we did, and we were talking about some of
the TV series that we were watching, you know, streaming, YEP, Doom, prophecy.

Speaker 2 (01:34:42):
Yeah, so I loved doing one into the two movies.
I really like So you're telling me that this is
a prequel, this is supposed.

Speaker 1 (01:34:47):
To happen way before. It's like ten thousand years before
something like that.

Speaker 2 (01:34:51):
When he's like witches were running the show or something.

Speaker 1 (01:34:53):
Yeah, kind of weird, but it's interesting And I watched that,
So did you see anything so well?

Speaker 2 (01:35:00):
Land Man, I'm just never going to stop talking about that.
That show with Billy Bob Tour and that is the
funniest the show. Now, look, if you like, yeah, it's
a little off color, but let me just tell you this.
It is from a conservative, well I wouldn't say conservative,
I'd say common sense perspective in that it's about oil
and gas industry and it's it's about and they throw
in a lot of truth about how it's been demonized

(01:35:21):
by the environmentalists and there's just when they can you know,
we've seen this too much on the on the left
with the woke movies and everything else. But when you
can see some what we talk about a lot on
this program, in a plot of a television show, that's
that's entertaining for me. I love it. It's kind of
like a it's kind of like a Yellowstone. It's kind

(01:35:43):
of like, well, that's done. Yellowstone wrote both.

Speaker 1 (01:35:47):
He's done eighteen eighty three, which was only one seeds,
I guess, or one series which I really liked. That
was with Tim mcgrond faith Hill. I love that series.
He's done nineteen twenty three. That's with Harrison Ford and
Helen Merrin. They I caught up on that. Watched the
last episode last night. It's coming a season two of that.
It's coming your way I think February twenty three. Yeah, okay,

(01:36:09):
of nineteen twenty three, so it's all laid out. But
I'm with you Landman if Raw folks. The languages be
careful and if you're offended by it, don't watch.

Speaker 2 (01:36:19):
What's that Angel thing called? But you can buy it
and then you can and then they can edit out all.

Speaker 1 (01:36:24):
Angel But do they Are they still around?

Speaker 2 (01:36:26):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:36:26):
I thought they ran into problems with that.

Speaker 2 (01:36:28):
No, I think they figured it out.

Speaker 1 (01:36:29):
But how did they do that showing? I don't know,
but I hope.

Speaker 2 (01:36:32):
They do, because I'm telling you it's it's worth watching
if you get if language offend some of the topics too,
it's not even that it's just Billy. Bob Thorne has
an ex wife. It's a little too loud.

Speaker 1 (01:36:41):
For is she ever? Yeah, but she is entertaining.

Speaker 2 (01:36:43):
But the but the But I like the And I
having spent time in our you in a base and
with around the soil and gas industry, there's so much
that's familiar to me in terms of how that industry.
It's a These are tough, tough jobs. These people that
works ough tough. Now the one disappointment, and I think
you would agree with me on this. I was so
looking forward to the second season of Silo. Yeah that

(01:37:05):
Apple that's on Apple TV.

Speaker 1 (01:37:07):
And I tell you what, I've been through about maybe
one and a half episodes and I'm getting bored.

Speaker 2 (01:37:13):
Well, it doesn't get any better. I've been watching that
one too. I love the first I think I told
you about it the first time for that first season,
but this second one it's been it's it's it's a
it is it's a snoozer. I think. I mean it's
you said it's gotten good reviews.

Speaker 5 (01:37:27):
I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:37:28):
I remember reading ahead of designments when it was coming
out and the critics were saying, this is even better
in the first season, which I thought was real interesting.
So I started watching this, I'm going, will will you
get to something that's interesting because right now and I'm
only kind of I said, an episode and a half
into it, I kind of walked away from it saying
this is boring.

Speaker 2 (01:37:47):
Yeah, no, I I I'm not. I'm trying to get
to something that's interesting in that show. But that's that.
That one's been disappointing to me. So now I I
there's a lot of good movies. I'm waiting for some
new ones to come out and see what happens. But
I I enjoy You know what I watched over the
week over the holiday was I watched I watched rain
Man for the first time in probably thirty years. I

(01:38:09):
mean I used to go with Tom Cruise Dustin Hofflan. Yes,
and it was And my son said, is that is he?
Does that actor really have autism? Was Dustin Hoffin? He
does not, but he plays that he plays Raymond so.

Speaker 1 (01:38:19):
Well based on here in Utah.

Speaker 2 (01:38:21):
Yeah, and that that show has aged well by the
way that ray Man that movie nineteen eighty eight, that's
that's still a great show with Tom Cruise Dustin Hoffman.

Speaker 1 (01:38:28):
All right, hand up, shoulders back, May God bless you
and your family. Greg, and I'll be back tomorrow at four.
I enjoy your

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