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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:03):
It took us a few hours to get it all
figured out, but we've got to figure out. You're with
us today.

Speaker 3 (00:08):
Yeah, you know that Apollo mission had nothing on what
it took for me to get on this head set
and be with you ladies and gentlemen on the show
this afternoon. Wow, what an adventure. Yeah, so just it's
actually just starting. I don't know what I'm thinking, but yeah,
here I am. If you can hear me, I think
that's progress.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
So well? Is this was it an adventure because you
do not know what you're doing or things just didn't
work right.

Speaker 1 (00:32):
Let me just a little life lesson, a little life hack.

Speaker 3 (00:35):
If you're using the free Wi Fi somewhere, it doesn't
want you to be a radio station. They don't want
you to have your all your jigama bobs and all
the stuff I brought to do this. If I'm using
Wi Fi, everybody else is using in a public place,
they have somehow firewalled us off.

Speaker 1 (00:50):
Just so you know, if you didn't know before, you know.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
Now, Well it's good that you're with us. Great to
do the show today. So we're broadcasting from here in
Salt Lake City and also down in Saint Jorge with Greg,
and we have got a lot to get to today,
some new developments in the whole Trump campaign. Did you
see him on Gutfelt last night?

Speaker 1 (01:07):
Greg is brilliant?

Speaker 2 (01:09):
Was that great?

Speaker 1 (01:10):
It's one of his one of it?

Speaker 3 (01:11):
I mean, I wish he could come off that comfortable
and that funny just all the time. I mean, it's different,
it's a different environment. I get it. But boy, if
if if you've watched Trump and you've watched me, you thought,
I don't know, you just signed to rambles.

Speaker 1 (01:24):
I thought he was funny. I thought I enjoyed it.

Speaker 3 (01:26):
I thought it was a great moment for him and
for people to see that side of him.

Speaker 4 (01:31):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:32):
Yeah, And you know what, Greg, this is the way
late night talk show hosts used to do it. I
mean they would have a politician or someone famous come
in and it'd be a very relaxed environment. They wouldn't
be attacking each other, they'd have a little fun with
the guests. The way Gutfeld than the team did last night.
This is the way it used to be. And I
found it really enjoyable. I didn't see the whole thing.
I caught about the last half hour of it, but

(01:53):
I thought it was great. We've got some sound bites
we'll play for you from it a little bit later
on in the show. But I'm with you, Greg. I
think he would having fun. I think he looked relaxed.
I just I found it very enjoyable last night. And
I think it was a brilliant move on his part.

Speaker 3 (02:08):
I just think he just said he just comes off
as a tough guy and courageous even when he doesn't
mean to. Gott failed to ask him if you knew
that guy was there, would you take your three wood
after it?

Speaker 1 (02:19):
You know, would you go after what the three wood?
He's like, yeah, I think I would.

Speaker 5 (02:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:22):
Yeah, And I think he meant it. He didn't say
it like it was facetious.

Speaker 3 (02:25):
He seemed serious.

Speaker 2 (02:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:27):
I like that.

Speaker 2 (02:27):
All Right. We've got a lot to talk about during
the campaign today because we're all talking about this. Axios
has this story today about the Harris Wall strategy going
into the what forty seven days? Greg, is that where
we are on the election, going into the forty seven
day campaign, they're going to basically run and hide. We'll
see if that works. We'll get into that there's some

(02:48):
new polls out today. Doctor Marty McCarey, who I know
a lot of you know, doctor McCarey, professor at Johns Hopkins,
very unspoken during the whole COVID epidemic or pandemic. I
should say he is a New York Times bestseller and
he's got a brand new Bookhunt. So doctor mcerrey will
join us a little bit later on big news of
the day people are talking about, of course, the cut

(03:08):
in interest rate. Steve Moore, a and one of the
architects of the president, former president's economic policy when he
was in the White House, will be joined in, and
a little bit later on we'll talk with the director
of a brand new film that Matt Walsh has put
together called Am I a Racist? And it even includes
a segment of Salt Lake City Greg as you well know, Yes.

Speaker 1 (03:31):
I so I'll come clean.

Speaker 3 (03:34):
I haven't seen the film yet, neither of but it's
cut great reviews.

Speaker 1 (03:38):
I've people love it.

Speaker 6 (03:40):
Ye know.

Speaker 3 (03:40):
We the Left doesn't know how to be funny anymore.
We're just they're humorless. So if you have something as
ridiculous as DEI and someone that can let let them
go and just say what they want to say. The
comedy rights itself nowadays.

Speaker 1 (03:54):
So I'm looking forward to seeing you.

Speaker 2 (03:56):
Yeah yeah, And we'll talk with the director of that
film coming up later on in the show. All right, Greg,
a new swing state poll, this one done by Emerson College.
But it's Donald Trump in the White House. That's what
the latest poll shows. The polling was conducted between the
fifteenth and eighteenth of this month. It's only a couple
of days ago, in seven electoral battlegrounds. It found the

(04:16):
former president Leeds in five and would get two hundred
and eighty one electoral votes if it held up today.
Harris is ahead in North Carolina and Michigan, but Donald
Trump is head in all those other five critical states
that he needs to win. So you know, this is
a very tight race, Greg, But I think right now

(04:37):
you and I both have this gut feeling that Trump's
going to win. You know, we're a little nervous because
it is so tight. But I think the momentum is
behind the former president, Greg.

Speaker 3 (04:47):
And look, I do too. I think my gut tells
me that. But if you wanted some data beyond these polls,
you go to what they call the modeling where you've
got people that are supposed to be professionals at this,
and they take all the averages of all the polls,
they look at different things, they kind of tweak it.

Speaker 1 (05:03):
It's called analytics.

Speaker 3 (05:04):
It's when the guy that is most famous for this
is Nate Silver, who started five thirty eight. He's got
his own newsletter. Now he's got this Silver, this Nate
Silver Bullet newsletter. He does, I sign up for it
for you, folks, because I want you to have the
most cutting edge information from our enemies. Okay, because this
guy he's left of center, he admits it at least.

(05:25):
So when the guy who is all about the math
and the analytics and the data, when I get his
email today and his article after he's done, and he's
crunched all the numbers, and it says, if you care
what happens in this election, don't sweat the polls, go vote.
That does not look analytical to me. That doesn't sound
analytical to me. They are sweating it, Rod, They are

(05:46):
sweating this. They know they don't have the votes to
the averages. He doesn't even have. This newsletter doesn't even
give his model in terms of likelihood. His last one
was that Trump had a fifty six percent likelihood of
winning the electoral college. There's more data, as you've just mentioned,
it's come in and here we are.

Speaker 1 (06:02):
He doesn't share his.

Speaker 3 (06:05):
How he puts it into the algorithm and how he
comes up with the modeling. He just says to people,
don't get crazy about what you're seeing in the polls.
Just go out and vote. That at that point is
just an emotional appeal. And I think it plays out
to what you and I have discussed, and that is
they have a glass ceiling over their head when they
refuse to talk about the issues or the issues they
talk about, they're not authentic. They can't say enough because

(06:27):
they'll alienate someone in their frail coalition of votes. They
just want to make it about hatred towards Trump and fear.
Hatred that turns into fear, and that fear is supposed
to get you to vote for her. That is, that's
all they have is hatred and fear. And so when
that's your game plan, you step back and you let
Trump and advance to all the interviews, which is what

(06:49):
Axios showed.

Speaker 2 (06:51):
Yeah, we'll show those numbers here in a minute. As
a matter of fact, another political strategist, someone you know
and I know as well. Greg Ryan Goodtursky was on
CNN just the and he talked about the situation involving
Kamala Harris and why she is maybe the worst Democratic
presidential candidate the Democrats have ever had. Lit'ten do this.

Speaker 7 (07:09):
She is the worst polling Democrat against Donald Trump in
history on national polls. No one is performing worseener. No
one's flying worsener among Blacks among Hispanics, the worst warning
Democrat in modern history among the demographics, worst performing polling
wise among Jews. She is losing key factions of the
Democratic based Muslim voters. She's under fifty two percent in
the latest care.

Speaker 3 (07:30):
Poll among Black Muslims.

Speaker 7 (07:32):
She is not doing well well.

Speaker 2 (07:34):
The worst Democrat to run for president as far as
the polls are concerned, Greg, that says quite a bit
about Kamala Harris.

Speaker 3 (07:41):
And I know we'll talk about this later in the show,
but just to give you a taste of how bad
it is for her in those coalitions they typically rely
on that. In the teamsters, the reason they're not supporting
her is we point out yesterday fifty eight or sixty
percent of the rank and foul union members support Donald Trump.

Speaker 1 (07:57):
But they.

Speaker 3 (08:00):
Joe Biden pulled higher amongst the union members. So in
his most confused state, when everyone in the media was
saying you got to go, he had a much more
favorable rating even amongst those members of unions. In these
important swing roust belt states of Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, even
Biden himself pulled higher than Kamala is pulling right now.

Speaker 1 (08:23):
Yeah, yeah, well that's not a good day.

Speaker 2 (08:25):
And later on, Greg, we'll talk about the Teamsters vote.
Because you and I both grew up back east in
the northeast part of the country. In that part of
the country, I've noticed and I was back there, what
a year, year and a half ago. The one thing
that stood out to me is almost everyone is part
of a union. They're a member of a union. We
don't have that much out west here in the state
of Utah, we're right to work state. But the organization

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and the power of unions in some states is very
very strong. And that's why I think this whole Teamsters
thing is very very interesting and I think a real
blow to Kamala Harris it is.

Speaker 3 (09:00):
And I know we're coming up on a break and
I'm out here, you know, in outer space, you know,
calling into Houston.

Speaker 1 (09:05):
So I don't want to go over the break, but
I just say.

Speaker 3 (09:08):
Folks, it doesn't mean that the Union people liked and
just wanted to participate and get out the vote. The
Union's requiring their mouths. They're not eve really asking their
opinion on who they want to vote for. They will
participate in phone banks, they will participate and get out
the vote for the candidate of their choice. Which so
for them to pull back and not endorse Kamala Harris
and have none of that infrastructure for this campaign, it's
a big blow to them.

Speaker 2 (09:29):
Yeah, sure is all right, A lot to come on
the Rod and Greg Show. Greg broadcasting line from Saint George.
I'm here at the home base in Salt Lake City,
Laura coming up on the Rod and Greg Show and
Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine knrs.

Speaker 3 (09:42):
I basically rule the internet now now that I've got
this done, I basically I just we just did the
whole FaceTime now now I can actually see Rod, yeah,
which you're so disconnected, and I just basically am running
it down here the whole.

Speaker 2 (09:54):
Thing, which is kind of scary, all right, you know,
during the height of COVID. You know, during the whole pandemic,
there were several health professionals in this country who had
the courage Greg to stand up and say, Hey, wait
a minute, can we take a look at the vaccine,
Can we take a look at the mask wearing in
the social distancing and how we treat this. One of
those was our next guest. We've had him on the

(10:16):
show before during the height of the COVID pandemic. His
name is doctor Marty McCarey. He is a professor at
Johns Hopkins School of Medicine. He's got a brand new
book out that we'll talk about in a minute, but
I want to bring him on the show and talk
to him about what's going on in this country today.
Doctor McCarey, how are you, and welcome back to the
Rod and Greg Show.

Speaker 8 (10:34):
Hey, good to be back.

Speaker 9 (10:35):
Thanks for having me.

Speaker 2 (10:36):
Doctor McCarey, you look back now and you kind of
put a try to analyze what happened during COVID and
the pandemic and how we responded to this. What sticks
out to you more than anything else, Well.

Speaker 8 (10:51):
I would say it's the lack of honesty and humility
I've not heard a single apology from any one of
these oligarchs in the public health world. They got so
much wrong from their group think. I mean, the coroth
masks on toddlers for three years. They said it wasn't
gonna effect. They're learning, prolonged school closures, ignoring natural immunity.

(11:13):
They did the most dangerous thing you can do as
a government. They fired the two vaccine experts at the
FDA when they challenged whether or not to approve the
COVID booster for children, and then they forced it on
children and then censored the doctors who spoke up about it.
That's like the most dangerous thing you can do in
a society, and that's what they did.

Speaker 1 (11:34):
Doctor.

Speaker 3 (11:35):
Let me ask you a question. I have my thoughts
as to why. But in your medical profession, this is
your profession. These are peers. You're a thought leader, but
you're also wicked smart. What was the motivation behind misleading
the public and having and then censoring the science, the
research community, the doctors. What was why? Why didn't they

(11:55):
want the best information to lead them to the best decisions.

Speaker 8 (12:00):
I think there was a certain pride that they tried
to protect the brand, the institutions, the leaders the priesthood
of medicine. But we have had terrible leaders in modern medicine.
And in the book, I don't really write about COVID
because people are tired and sick of it and tribal

(12:22):
about it. But these same leaders have ushered in over
the last fifty years the greatest chronic disease epidemic and
human history. And they're so busy focusing on their myopic projects,
funding back coronavirus research in China. We need research on

(12:43):
food as medicine. The medical field has had these oligarchs
who run our hospitals and medical organizations. They're so busy
billing and coding and paying each other and this giant economy.
No one is saying what's going on, but if the
fact that half of our nation's children are obese now

(13:03):
or overweight, So we've developed giant blind spots and modern medicine.
And I think it's just the group think herd mentality
when you elevate a small group of people at the
top to run an entire industry. We should not have
central planners in government, and we don't need central planners
in medicine.

Speaker 2 (13:21):
What does a public need to do in your opinion
in this regard, doctor McCarey, I mean, how does the
public stand up and say we want something different, we
want to change the system, and it's not working the
way we want it. It's not benefiting us. Now, how
does the public get involved and start saying something.

Speaker 8 (13:38):
Well, I think we're seeing a movement now of people
who are demanding honest and fair prices from hospitals instead
of the run around. They're demanding quality metrics. We're seeing
people ask for healthier foods and school lunch programs and
then their everyday purchasing decisions. We've got to we need fresh,

(13:59):
newlyad in healthcare. I hope we're going to get them
and hopefully soon, but we need new people at the top.
We need to be honest with the public. You know,
I'm a doctor, and if I make a mistake and
I'm totally honest and transparent in real time, I find
patience can be very forgiving. But if you ignore their concerns,
blow them off, don't listen to them, get stuck in

(14:21):
your ways, dig in and then lie about things, that's
the trust you may never win back.

Speaker 3 (14:30):
So doctor, let me just say I appreciate you talking
about the worst thing that can happen is if you
know the science or medical community, healthcare providers ignore concerns,
they dig in. My wife particularly likes RFK Junior a lot,
and I do too. But the reason that a lot
of what he is saying is resonating in the Hughes

(14:50):
home is that we believe that we're observing much much
more frequent cases of people on the spectrum of autism,
pad allergies, the allergies that children are suffering from, and
then people are seeing it seems to be we think
it is increasing in a time where we didn't see it,
and I don't We don't put this all in the

(15:11):
category of well, we're just better at diagnosing everything. So
RFK is warning about this, and he's saying this, our
food chain, our supply, there's things, there's things that are
going wrong, and we have to get to the bottom
of it. Where do you stand in terms of our
our food supply and what's happening by way of more
people with autism, young men with autism, or peanut out

(15:34):
all the allergies that we're seeing that people are having
now that we didn't see in the past. Where we
have to have a lunch table separate for people that
have peanut allergies. Are you do you a lot? Do
you overlap with RFK and what he's talking about, Junior
in terms of the the issues we have there or
what what's your worldview or national view on our health
and the health of our children related autism and an allergies.

Speaker 8 (16:00):
It's done a terrible thing to children. We've poisoned the
food supply, engineered highly addictive foods that are really chemicals
in the food supply. Over a thousand of these ingredients
have been banned in other countries, including Europe, and then
we medicate them when they get thick, when their bodies
react within a gut inflammation and they have a messed up,

(16:21):
altered microbiome, they don't feel good, they feel sick, they
feel sad, they feel low energy, and then we medicate them.
And this is a very dangerous road we're going down.
So I'm going to be testifying before a Senate roundtable
on Monday with RFK Junior, and we're going to talk
about this chronic disease epidemic. I really love what he

(16:44):
said when he said, can we love our children more
than we hate each other?

Speaker 9 (16:50):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (16:51):
Yes, good coming, good coming. Well, doctor mckerry has always
loved having you on the show. Good luck with the
new book, and good luck with the event on Monday
with RFK Junior. Thanks for joining us this afternoon.

Speaker 10 (17:02):
It's going to be with you guys.

Speaker 2 (17:04):
Thanks all right. That is doctor Marty mcarey. He is
a professor at Johns Hopkins University, outspoken critic during the
whole COVID pandemic thing, Greg, And there you have another
doctor raising concerns about the food, what's going into the food,
what our children are eating. And I think more and
more people are starting to raise questions about that. And
that's why I like the fact that RFK Junior is

(17:25):
going to be part of the Trump team. We don't
know what role he'll play, but that's a key issue
that I think a lot of parents are concerned about.

Speaker 1 (17:34):
I could agree more.

Speaker 3 (17:35):
I'm glad to hear that those two are teaming up
and talking from with their skill set and their knowledge
and what they've their study. I just think there's a
lot going on around us, and I do think parents
and people are ignored, their concerns are ignored.

Speaker 2 (17:47):
So yeah, they're called whack jobs. I think unfortunately sometimes
when they raised those questions, Doctor McCarry. The name of
the book, by the way, is called blind Spots When
Medicine gets it wrong and what it means for our health.
More coming up on the Rod and Greg Show and
Talk Radio one oh five nine k n R S.

Speaker 3 (18:04):
By the way, Sonny Sky's here at the Southern Command Post.

Speaker 2 (18:08):
Well it's sunny up here too, is it. Did you
golf today?

Speaker 9 (18:13):
No?

Speaker 3 (18:14):
I really, I'm a working stiff. I'm just I'm just battling.
I battle every day. I'm battling every day for what's right.
That's right. Yeah, that's Michael.

Speaker 2 (18:23):
Well, here we go, Greg. The the website Libs of
TikTok have picked up something about Utah. This is one
thing that we all can be very very proud of.
Apparently a certified social worker. We won't mention her name,
but she works here in Utah. She has now been
Libs of TikTok have been able to find her. She

(18:44):
appears sad in this video because the second attempt on
Trump's life failed and she apparently is now calling for
a third attempt. Now, this is a person, according to
this website, works with our children when it comes to
the issue. You a mental health greak. Should we trust
somebody like that to work with our children?

Speaker 3 (19:06):
Well, first off, she says, a terrible marksmanship twice in
a row. This is again mental health regarding our children posts.
This is a this is a public post from three
days ago. Through terrible marksmanship twice in a row, third times,
a third times of charm or karma.

Speaker 1 (19:26):
Just desperate.

Speaker 3 (19:27):
We man trying to obtain votes in any possible way,
sympathy votes especially. This is where ladies and gentlemen, this
hate turning into fear campaign from the left, from Harris Walls,
the regime media. It's twisting people's minds that they if
you go back this country as a nation without regard
to political affiliation, we recoiled and it's it's been our

(19:51):
darkest moments when there have been presidents who's who've been assassinated,
or there's been an attempted assassination. And we have someone
who's a clinical worker with children here in YouTube just
wishes it third times a charge in Utah.

Speaker 2 (20:02):
Yeah, in Utah. And you've got somebody out there, she said, shucked,
he missed the second time. Maybe we should do it
a third time. Maybe maybe the third times the charm.
I mean, come on, Greg, yeah.

Speaker 3 (20:14):
It's it's I mean, and I get Look, this is
where you got to ask yourself if if Donald Trump
his personality, if if the four years he was president,
you can't discern between the last four years, or if
you can, you think, yeah, it was better than well.

Speaker 1 (20:30):
He's he's kind of abrasive.

Speaker 3 (20:33):
If the person that you're voting for is fueling this
kind of sentiment towards Donald Trump that you wish there'd
be a third assassin, an attempt now assassination a third time,
third times a charm, something's wrong that that's that's worse
than I think whatever it is about his personality that
you're objecting to. And I, by the way, this is
it's not our audience. What I'm saying, isn't the people

(20:55):
that listen to the canter esser to the rock, Gregshaw.
But there are people this out there. The Trump derangement
syndrome is real. I mean, I have friends who were
we could talk about anything under the sun until we
get to Trump. And these are Republicans, conservatives, but once
you got to him, they were just they're out. You can't.

Speaker 1 (21:13):
The derangement is a real thing.

Speaker 2 (21:15):
You know what what still baffles me Greg? And I
don't know if this's the answer, but they keep on
saying he is a threat to democracy or a threat
to the constitution, Right, Greg, What is the threat? I mean,
what is the threat? I mean, you know, if he's
what is it?

Speaker 3 (21:34):
You know?

Speaker 2 (21:35):
I don't when I keep on hearing they go, what
threat are they talking about? Because he's going to make changes?
Is that the threat? And that's what scares him? What
is the threat? Greg?

Speaker 3 (21:46):
Yeah, here's the threat. He is threatening the swamp, its establishment.
And I got to tell you, the people that I
find that have the deepest and most disturbing Trump derangement
syndrome are people that either were work with the state,
be it the state government or federal government they are
funded by. There is a real threat of Donald Trump

(22:08):
to the establishment in this growing federal bureaucracy, which then,
in turn, if you look at how much the federal
government funds respective states through their Department of Education, through transportation,
through health and human services, they begin to put their
claws into every single individual state and impose their will
people that are part of that ecosystem. Trump scares the

(22:30):
daylights out of them, But guess what that is. That's
not everyday Americans that people that say is a threat
to democracy. Go look at their profile. They're somewhere. They're
part of this system. We're part of this system that
he plans to challenge, which we the American people, desperately need.

Speaker 2 (22:45):
That's what we want, but that's what we want done.
You're right, all right, mar coming up here on the
Rod and Greg Show as we're broadcasting live from both
Salt Lake City and in Saint George's this afternoon. Why
did the market take off today? Greg was up a
gratory again today, But I think Steve will explain to
us that, guess what, cuts an interest rate really don't

(23:05):
do much for the economy. And we're, what only forty
seven days away from one election, so if it's going
to be if it's going to benefit her at all,
better hurry.

Speaker 3 (23:16):
Well, we always like it lower interest rates versus higher,
So it was good news what they did today. I
think that half a point. I think it will come
up in our discussion with Steve Moore. There's not a
lot of basis for given where we haven't cut. We
haven't seen interest rates cut for so long.

Speaker 1 (23:31):
I think.

Speaker 3 (23:33):
We'll get into that. But what I don't think what
will happen between now and the end of the you know,
when the election happens, or the end of the election
in November first Tuesday November, is that people, your groceries
didn't get cheaper, your cost of living didn't go down,
Your jobs and your employment are still as difficult as
the callers that we listened and heard from yesterday on

(23:55):
the program. All of that is real time kitchen table
issues that they don't have answers for other than trying
to game up that.

Speaker 1 (24:03):
Let's get it you want me to go into. Yeah, yeah,
A little bit of background.

Speaker 2 (24:07):
If you were just joining us before the break, There
was a posting on libs of TikTok and it is
from a Utah certified social worker. We won't give out
her name, but she appeared sad in this video of
a second attempt on Trump's life, the fact that it failed,
and apparently Greg, she's calling for a third attempt. Now,

(24:28):
this is a social worker that works with our children
in this state.

Speaker 3 (24:34):
Well, yeah, Rod, and and this all makes perfect sense.
You know, when you have a campaign of hate that
you transfer into fear, these are things that you say
openly in front of people that you're not really supposed
to say. You're not supposed to think it, let alone
say it. But what really starts to be unsettling is
when you find out that that that Laura. Actually we

(24:54):
were going to say her name.

Speaker 2 (24:55):
She first name will get away. Well we call her Laura.

Speaker 3 (24:58):
Okay, I'll call her Laura. Let's say that's her name
or not. You don't even know what her name is. Okay.
She works with teens and adults. This is what I love,
struggling with anxiety depression, fitting in and getting along in
a family or in society. She's experienced and helping those
with more common mental health stressors and people with moderate

(25:20):
to severe complex mental health issues. Okay, you're gonna help us. Well,
guess what I just saw. I saw that you yourself
think that the person that was found that they apprehended
who was hiding at the golf course of Marrow Lago
on Sunday. You think it's terrible marksmanship. You know, you're
saying third times a charm or karma with question marks

(25:42):
and smiley face emojis. Desperate, we man trying to obtain
votes in any possible way, sympathy votes, especially.

Speaker 1 (25:51):
I love this.

Speaker 3 (25:52):
The conservative religious sects will call it divine intervention. I
just threw up in a little. I just threw up
a little in my mouth. Look, so go ahead and
disparage people of faith while you're at it. Just lament,
lament that that President Trump was not assassinated. Uh, And
you know, and then disparage people of faith while you're

(26:13):
helping all those teens and adults with anxiety and depression
and fitting in and fitting in and families and in society.

Speaker 1 (26:20):
I'm sure you're well equipped to do that.

Speaker 2 (26:22):
Is this called lowering the temperature? I just want to
make sure I understand what lowering the temperature is. And
when you call for you know, you're sad the second
attempt failed, and you wouldn't mind seeing a third one.
Apparently that is lowering the temperature. And that's from a
Utah social worker, a certified social worker in this state.

Speaker 3 (26:40):
And she's just so folks that you.

Speaker 1 (26:43):
You don't think this is anecdotal.

Speaker 3 (26:45):
This is this is Bob Demiro, this is I mean,
we could go down the list.

Speaker 1 (26:48):
This is is a lot of people, well known people.

Speaker 2 (26:52):
Steve Moore coming up next after our news update. Stay
with us. The Rod and Gregg Jow. I follow up
with story Greg that you and I talked about last week.
As a matter of fact, both of us got kind
of emotional on this. Remember the story of the little boy.
Liam is his name. He got a letter from the president,
you know, and brought him to tears. And we shared
that that audio and I've shown it to a lot

(27:14):
of people. Nobody can watch that video without shedding a tear.
I mean, it's really it's really really tough. Well, guess
what happened.

Speaker 3 (27:21):
Last Glad to know that because I was a bit
of a baby I watched it.

Speaker 2 (27:24):
Well, guess what happened last night? Donald Trump in New York.
He did the rally out there in Uniondale. He stopped
by the hospital and he brought the little boy a
birthday press. Oh can you believe that?

Speaker 3 (27:37):
I'm going to get but again, Okay, you stop.

Speaker 2 (27:42):
But I mean he did, I mean that that and that?

Speaker 9 (27:45):
What was it?

Speaker 2 (27:45):
Yesterday? He went in and bought somebody a Hamburger or
somebody in the restaurant. Kamala Harris cannot and does not
know how to relate to everyday people the way Donald
Trump does.

Speaker 9 (27:57):
Now.

Speaker 1 (27:57):
I saw it a while ago. They called him the
blue billionaire.

Speaker 3 (28:00):
Yeah, that's what he is, and it is there is
something about him where he connects with people and he
wants to You can see that he earnestly wants to.
He asks a lot of questions and he wants to
know more about you.

Speaker 11 (28:12):
It is.

Speaker 3 (28:13):
It's the side of him that you will never learn
about through the media, through the regime media, certainly not
through democrats. They don't they need you to. They plant
the seeds of hate and then they need to spread
the fear and see that fear grow. And that's all
they have. They don't have an issue to stand on.
They just need to demonize that.

Speaker 2 (28:29):
Many video that you'll never see in the mainstream legacy media.
But that was a cute picture the president walking in.
He walked into the hospital room, pretty good sized box
with a big red ribbit on it, gave it to
little Liam and said Liam, here's a birthday present for you.
That's a cute, touching story. All right, big story of
the day, A lot of discussions today, big story yesterday,

(28:50):
and now we're all trying to analyze what it means.
Was the FED dropping the interest rate by a half
point yesterday? A little bit more than I think most
people thought.

Speaker 1 (28:58):
Greg, Yeah, I think yeah.

Speaker 3 (29:02):
So I think that most people will chalk this up
accurately as an election year. And if you're the Fed
and you want to make the president look good or
the administration look good, that's something that you would do.
Which we haven't seen a rate drop in what since twenty.

Speaker 2 (29:17):
Yeah, it's been a long time.

Speaker 1 (29:21):
Twenty a long time ago. So I think it's political.

Speaker 3 (29:24):
But we should ask the Einstein of the economy what
he has to say about all this.

Speaker 2 (29:31):
Well, we're talking, of course about Steve Moore. Steve one
of the architects President Trump's economic plan. Well, he served
as president. We talk with Steve every week. Steve, thanks
for joining us tonight. Your take on the Fed's action
on the interest rates last night?

Speaker 9 (29:45):
Why did I know you were going to ask me
that question?

Speaker 6 (29:49):
Big economic story of the week.

Speaker 9 (29:52):
Look, I was a little at my jaw drop when
I heard the decision of a fifty basis point to climb,
which the Wall Street Journal described as a jumbo cut
in the interest rates. Look, I just think it looks political.
I think there is no question that politics intervened. Here

(30:12):
were fifty days before an election. They've waited four years
to lower interest rates and then they do it right
before an election. I think the FED has gotten a
little egg in their face on this. And you know,
do you know when the next BED meeting is, by the.

Speaker 2 (30:25):
Way, I want to say next month? Or is it
after the election?

Speaker 9 (30:29):
Yeah? Well yes, well it's the day after the election.
Why couldn't they have waited till that?

Speaker 3 (30:34):
I imagine that.

Speaker 9 (30:37):
And so I think a lot of people are kind
of stunned by this. And I think there's a little
bit of hypocrisy on the part of Jerome Powell, the
FED chairman, who's been saying, oh, we have to be independent,
we can't we have to be independent politics, and then
they do something like this that doesn't seem like it's
very independent politics to me.

Speaker 2 (30:56):
No, No, it sure doesn't.

Speaker 3 (30:59):
So I the Einstein of the economy, Stephen Moore, so
good to talk to you again this week. Look, you've
been in the arena, You've helped craft a good economic
policy Trump administration, and much much more.

Speaker 1 (31:13):
My question is I don't know that. Well, this is
my question.

Speaker 3 (31:18):
Will the will the voters feel this jumbo FED cut
interest raight cut that will would would change their minds?
In terms of how they're feeling about the economy or
their prospects in time for Harris and Walls in this election?
Is this that will this move, beyond the reporting of it,
actually make any difference in anyone's lives.

Speaker 9 (31:40):
That's a good question too, and I don't I don't
have a great answer to that. I mean, it could,
it could. I mean, when you're talking about a race
that's so razor tight, you know, just a small slipper
of a change can make a big difference in terms
of the outcome. So I think it was that. I
think they did place their thumb on the scale of
the election and in Kamala's favor. And there's no it's

(32:04):
not any great secret that Jerome Powell and Generald Trump
don't get along very well. So but look, I think
most Americans have kind of made up their minds about
the economy. It's much weaker shape today than it was
four years ago, although it's in better shape today than
it was two years ago. So I mean, Trump passed
to keep pressing the point, are you better off than

(32:26):
you were when when I was president four years ago?
And if he keeps making that point, I think people
will say no, I'm very worried by the way. I mean,
you've worked in you know, tax and budget and economic
policy for years yourself. I mean this idea of raising
taxes by five trillion dollars, five trillion billion, I mean,
I think that is an absolute economic wrecking ball, and

(32:50):
I think it'll hurt the stock market. Thing which he
wants to double the capital gains tax, increase the business taxes.
You know, you can't. No country ever got prospiate risk
by taxing themselves.

Speaker 2 (33:02):
Steve, how much of this was? Steve? How much of this?
And Powell alluded to this? I guess yesterday how much
of this is related to the labor market and trying
to keep the labor market strong, because even indicated yesterday
the migrant crisis is having an impact on the labor market.
I mean, does this have anything to do with the
labor market and trying to keep it as strong as

(33:23):
they can?

Speaker 9 (33:24):
Well, you know, it's interesting question too, because I'm thinking, well,
maybe maybe you know, Joan Powell knows something that we
don't about the weakness of the economy. It feels like
it's you know, weakening, and you have seen you know,
three or four months now of high you know, much
higher unemployment. Now, it's not a disaster by any means.
It's still fairly low. But you know, we're now at

(33:45):
what four point three I've forgot the exact number. And
so I would simply say that the big problem in
the economy right now is people's real incomes after inflation,
and those are still down. That's a real bottom for
the families that really care so much about helping, you know,
their children and make sure there's a better life and

(34:07):
that they can pay the bills.

Speaker 3 (34:11):
Steve, this isn't actually good for this. You'll never see
us on a flyer or commercial in this presidential election.
But I do think it's an important question, and that
is you see some of these hedge funds, hedge fund
managers that are you know, looking at as much as
nine billion dollars of investments saying that if she gets elected,
if Kamala Harris gets elected, they're going to pull out,

(34:32):
and that they're going to look at golden and they're.

Speaker 1 (34:35):
Not going to be there. Is that a threat or
is that real?

Speaker 3 (34:39):
And I can't imagine that that's going to be a
healthy move if you saw people managing that kind of money,
if a few of them do that. I would think
that would be pretty detrimental as well. But they must
see something that you're talking about, because that doesn't sound
like a very conservative move to withdraw from your investments entirely.

Speaker 9 (35:00):
Yeah, I completely agree with you, and I think that,
you know, there is something about this economy that has
the FED nervous, and it should. I mean, look, we've
wrapped up seven trillion dollars of debt over the last
five years since COVID hit, and how were we going
to pay for this? You know, how we're going to
pay for this fiscal mess. And the idea that you're
going to be able to tax your way out of this,

(35:22):
I think is crazy. And we've got to grow the economy.
And by the way, yeah, we should have cut something,
but not cut interest rates. We should be cutting tax
rates to increase the supply of goods and services in
the economy. We should be cutting government spending which is
so out of control, and trying to make some debt
in the debt. We're not doing any of that right now.

Speaker 2 (35:42):
Final question for you, Steve. You know, I saw some
interviews with auto dealers from around the country and they
appeared to be hopeful that this interest rate cut would
spur auto sales. As tight as the budget is for
so many people, I don't see a whole lot of
people running out and buying new cars or anything like that. Steve,
at this.

Speaker 3 (35:59):
Point, you.

Speaker 9 (36:01):
Those interest rates are really high on auto cars, on mortgages,
and you know, I'd like to see the rates, you know,
interest rates come down. I think it would be a
very healthy thing to see lower interest rates. I think
everybody'd agree with that. But I'm going to go back
to saying, you know, when you're what they're doing is
an easy money policy, and I don't think easy money,

(36:23):
you know, flooding the economy with more money is a
solution to our problems, do you, Steve.

Speaker 2 (36:29):
Moore joining us on our newsmaker line Greg and giving
some insight into this. He does find it's very political,
isn't it that, in fact, the Fed decided to drop
the interest rate what forty seven days outside the election?
Surprise surprise? Right?

Speaker 3 (36:46):
Yeah, no, Look, and I'm happy that they dropped even
if they're trying to win an election. I don't it's
not going to win the election for him, and we
get lower interest rates, hopefully on mortgages and cars and
everything else because of it. But it takes the FED
doing it for there are any to be there be
anything aspiration or good coming out of the Harris Wall,

(37:06):
the Biden Harris administration right now.

Speaker 2 (37:09):
Yeah, yeah, not a whole lot good coming out of
that thing at all. World Talk more. You know, we
in the media right now, especially on the conservative side
of things, Greg, are making a big deal that she's
not doing any interviews. You know, they aren't doing anything.
And Axios has a story out on this. We can
share those numbers when we come back. But do you

(37:29):
think the public really cares if she's doing interviews or not?
Do they care?

Speaker 1 (37:34):
They should, but then no, I mean they should.

Speaker 2 (37:37):
But they shouldn't. But I don't think they do.

Speaker 3 (37:40):
No, No, they don't. They don't.

Speaker 1 (37:42):
And I think that's the sad part. There's a there's
a snow job going on right now.

Speaker 3 (37:46):
I think they're getting people are getting duped and they
don't even know it because they're not yearning to hear
from her.

Speaker 2 (37:52):
Yeah yeah, interesting, All right, more coming up with Rod
and Greg right here on Utah's Talk Radio one oh
five nine k n RS.

Speaker 1 (37:59):
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Speaker 2 (38:04):
Yeah, we we.

Speaker 1 (38:05):
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Speaker 3 (38:08):
This command station center, this Southern Command station. It is
just it's amazing what I've put together here. It's it
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Speaker 2 (38:18):
Plug this in here, plug this in here, and guess
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Speaker 1 (38:25):
I knew the pony soldier quote was coming.

Speaker 3 (38:26):
I knew it. I just knew it.

Speaker 1 (38:27):
I knew that one that button was about to be hit.

Speaker 2 (38:30):
All right now, now, Greg, I want to get into
this with you and our listeners as well as you
work your way home this afternoon. I mean, we in
the media, on the conservative media of course, right now,
are making a really big deal that Kamala Harris is
not talking to the media. She has done one or
two interviews. Tim Wall's done one or two interviews. Uh,

(38:51):
Trump and Vance are all over the place talking, and
we're kind of making a big deal out of this.
Here's here's my sense. Let's say she sat down and
really explained her policies, all right, if she can, which
we don't think she can. But let's say she really
had a command of her Partrize and she sat down
to explain him. Do you think it would change anybody's mind?

(39:14):
I mean, there's not a conservative out there. Go man,
I really like those politicians. I'm going to vote for
Kama and for the Democrats. They really don't care because
they believe if she's elected, she'll do leftif goofy things
the way every other left if President Barack Obama has
done in this country. So are we making too big

(39:35):
of a deal out of the fact that she is
not talking to the media doesn't matter?

Speaker 3 (39:41):
Well, it does matter, I agree, and I'll tell you
that that the strategy. Here's why I think that you're
but you're saying that it wouldn't change anyone's mind.

Speaker 1 (39:53):
I don't think you could flush out a little bit. Well.

Speaker 3 (39:55):
I think her economic plan, even if she was very
good at articulating, it would alsener around what government would do.
Government would pay you. They'll give you money a fifty
thousand to start a business, They'll give you seventy five
or whatever amount of money to buy a home. They're
gonna build homes, They're gonna fix the price of groceries.
It would be very very good for people to hear

(40:22):
so they could contrast it to when Trump has asked
this question on a rally, or he did this with
Sarah Huckabee. They did kind of this town hall large
one and when they said, this woman, she was a
retired nurse, she's a grandma and she's been a mother,
and she said, what are we going to do?

Speaker 1 (40:37):
I can't afford to live. What the cost of living
is too high?

Speaker 3 (40:39):
Where did he go? He went straight to energy costs
or just killing us. And he went and he said, look,
it gets a little boring, but here's how it works.
And he walked through how he was going to get
this government out of our way so that we wouldn't
see prohibitively high energy costs, which also includes your gasoline
and the cost to deliver things he talked about.

Speaker 1 (40:57):
He just went into detail.

Speaker 3 (40:59):
If you could con trast that if the voters, because
you're only I think ninety six point something percent of
people have made up their mind in this race and
aren't going to change it. So you're talking to you know,
two and a half three percent of the people. Yeah,
three and a half percent. But what it would do
for the scant number of people that still haven't made
up their mind is I think it's their very pronounced

(41:21):
differences in approach. Again, but again, her best way of
getting a vote is not to try and tell people
how much government she wants to bring to them in
their lives. It's to say, please hate Trump and be
afraid of his of a presidency. So you know, hatred
and fear create you know, project your hate, create the fear.

(41:43):
That's It's a two step, that's all. So why has
Trump done fourteen by Axios count fourteen in depth interviews
and Vance fifty nine while Harris has done three which
is generous and Walls has done four because they don't
have anything aspirational to share. They just want you to
They don't need an interview to say Trump bad. And

(42:04):
they're down down to two steps, hate and fear and
two words trump bad bad.

Speaker 9 (42:09):
That's it.

Speaker 2 (42:09):
That's what it comes down to me. That's what it
comes down to, all right. I want to I want
to hear from the listeners if you want to weigh
on on this eight eight eight five seven oaight zero
one zero eight eight eight five seven OAG zero one zero,
or on your cell phone down pound two fifty and say, hey, Rod,
does it matter to you if Kamala and Timmy are
not doing interviews, lengthy interviews about where they stand on issues,

(42:31):
and we pretty well figured out where they stand. Do
we need them to explain it to us? Eight eight
eight five seven o eight zero one zero or on
your cell phone, all you do is have to dial
pound two fifty and say, hey, run the Harris Walls strategy.
The article today in Axios kind of lays out what
they're doing, and basically they're hiding from the media if

(42:52):
they don't say anything stupid, which most likely they would
in a media interview. They feel that that strategy that
Joe Biden kind of used in twenty twenty will work
and they'll become the president and vice president of the
United States. Now we in the media have made a
big deal, but doing any interview to news conference, there's
nobody would can't talk to her. Well, but let me

(43:13):
ask you, I don't sound like that. No, I know
you don't, but I do ocasion. But you know, to
to our listeners, does it matter to you? You know
that she's not doing interviews, not sitting down doing long
interviews or holding news conferences. Does it really matter to you?
Since I think we already know where she stands eight
eight eight five seven o eight zero one zero triple

(43:33):
eight five seven o eight zero one zero or on
your cell phone dial pound two fifty and say hey, Rod,
to the phones we go. Let's begin in boutleful with Larry. Larry,
how are you welcome to Rod and Greg tonight.

Speaker 12 (43:45):
I'm good, Thank you for taking my call. Regarding interviews,
we're kind of damned if she does and damned if
she doesn't. If she did interviews, she'd do nothing but
lie like she did about the border or or anything else.
So it's really hard to say yes or no. But

(44:06):
I guess we get what we get, But I don't
think an interview is going to be realistic.

Speaker 2 (44:13):
Yeah, you're right, go tell the truth anyways, And you're right.
So maybe that's one reason why people don't care and
are not clamoring for it, other than the media. Greg,
what are your thoughts?

Speaker 1 (44:24):
No, I agree.

Speaker 3 (44:24):
I do think though, that her numbers are so frail
that she does not have a very strong coalition that
anytime she gets too strong or too dug in on
one position, she's alienating those on the other side of
that of that same position. What she has to say
in other words, what she has to say in Pennsylvania
to win Pennsylvania, doesn't win Michigan. What she has to
say in one state swing state does not make her

(44:47):
stronger or electable in another state, So they can't.

Speaker 1 (44:50):
They're just stuck.

Speaker 3 (44:51):
I would just like the public to know that I
wish the voters knew she really can't tell you the
truth because she doesn't. Whatever she says, she gets weaker,
not strong. So let's go back to the calls. They
are our listeners. They always know. Let's go to Tom
in Ogden. Tom, thank you for holding and thank you
for joining us on the program. What say you, sir

(45:12):
about should we hear more from her? Should she be
stating her case to the American people?

Speaker 8 (45:18):
My opinion, yes, it definitely matters. And it's not because
of the issues. I think most people, like you guys
are pointing out, most people kind of know about the issues.
But what is important to everybody, whether regardless of party,
is how they represent this country on both a domestic
and international stage. And that's a perception thing. And perception
is not everything, but it certainly is something. And so

(45:39):
they need to show their ability to represent all of
us across the globe and across the country and show
that it can be done. Issues aside, And I think
that's actually what they're trying to avoid.

Speaker 2 (45:52):
It sounds like, Yeah, Tom, how much do you read
in the body language, the facial expressions, how they posture
themselves in a sit on an interview? I mean, do
you think the public looks you know, how did she
answer this question? What was her body language? You like?
What were facial expressions like? I mean, I think that's
kind of important to people because either a show is
confidence or it can show weakness. Would you agree or disagree? Tom?

Speaker 8 (46:17):
I definitely agree. I think people the first step is
just kind of do they like the person or not,
which is part of that body language and how they speak,
and then and then after that they assess the is
it truthful, does it make sense? And all those kind
of things. So if they come across not likable, that's
a that's a major problem.

Speaker 2 (46:31):
Yeah, sure is. And what I keep on hearing Greg,
the more people know of Kamala Harris, the less they
like her. That's what you hear out on.

Speaker 3 (46:41):
Yeah, how does she get She didn't get any She
didn't get any bounce out of the Democrat Convention, her
post debate numbers, even though I think she technically won
the debate, but not enough to make anyone change their
mind or bring anyone across. And that's by virtue of
the polls this week, this poll this the week. This
week's polls should have shown what collective reaction the country

(47:02):
had to that debate, and it's not.

Speaker 1 (47:05):
It's not been positive for her. Her numbers have not
gone up at all.

Speaker 3 (47:09):
So I don't think the more she talks she has
any chance of actually gaining any more support than she has.

Speaker 1 (47:14):
That's why she's hiding.

Speaker 2 (47:15):
Yep in Bluffdale. Let's talk to Brian tonight here on
the Rod and Gregg Show. Hi, Brian, how are you?

Speaker 10 (47:21):
Hey?

Speaker 11 (47:21):
Guys, let's reverse engineer this thing. If she has something
to if she has a policy, why don't we invite
the Democrats that want to vote for her to articulate
the policy. I'll bet if you offer two free tickets
to whatever event you've got coming up, that someone might

(47:45):
call in and actually try to do that.

Speaker 2 (47:48):
I like that idea.

Speaker 1 (47:50):
I mean, I love our callers, so smart, so smart.

Speaker 3 (47:55):
We will find the proxies, Yes, Brian, we will find
the proxies the Rotting Gregg Show.

Speaker 1 (47:59):
We're really literally we do it too.

Speaker 3 (48:01):
We can find those who could at least try or
attempt to make her case for her, and.

Speaker 1 (48:08):
Then we'd have it. We'd have it.

Speaker 3 (48:10):
I think it would, and I think it would be
wouldn't it be eye opening for people to know really
what she believes the role and walls think the role
of government is going forward?

Speaker 1 (48:17):
It would because I'm going to.

Speaker 3 (48:18):
Tell you, at the end of the day, when they
create the hate, when they have the hate and they
project it and they're trying to create fear over Donald Trump,
understand that in the President Trump has said this, we're next.
They're they're after us. They they put us in the
same category as President Trump. If you vote for President Trump,
you're as bad as President Trump. I've got quotes, I mean,
I've got all of them over here about that very tactic.

(48:41):
I mean, they're they're they're putting the maga Republicans of extremism.
Anyone votes for Trump, they're in this moral failing class
that they're you're supposed to dislike and they're all supposed
to fear.

Speaker 1 (48:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (48:52):
So yeah, Well, I wonder Greg, if there is a
Democrat who was listening right now who would be willing
to call into the show and state what her pays
not and I don't think there are. I don't know
if we have any Democrat, we'd have to go five.

Speaker 3 (49:04):
We have to go for it.

Speaker 1 (49:05):
Yeah, well, because we have we have a smartlesting audience.

Speaker 2 (49:07):
That's why.

Speaker 1 (49:08):
Because they that's why.

Speaker 3 (49:10):
It's just this is like kryptonite to the Democrat, this program.

Speaker 1 (49:13):
They can't listen to it. It's just it's just too
much truth.

Speaker 3 (49:15):
They're going to wreck their car if they're driving home,
or they can't listen to.

Speaker 2 (49:19):
It drives them deeper into Trump derangement syndrome. That's what
this show does.

Speaker 3 (49:25):
I'm telling you can't operate any don't handle anything sharp,
don't don't run with scissors, don't listen to the show.
If you're a leftist, you will put your eye out.

Speaker 2 (49:34):
All right. That's more of your calls coming up eight
eight eight five seven eight zero one zero on your
cell phone dial pound two fifteen, say hey Rod. More
of Rod and Greg coming up. Back to the phones,
we go. Let's go to Johnny who's in Murray tonight,
listening to Rod and Greg. Johnny, thanks for joining us.

Speaker 5 (49:51):
Thank you for taking my call. Rod. And my opinion
is is it's the perfect strategy for him, and the
reason why is. They're counting on votes from the Trump haters,
So if they.

Speaker 13 (50:04):
Shut up, they're good. But if they do go out
and try to explain their policies, people will see her
for what she is, and then the anti Trump people
will get with you know, they'll figure out and she
could lose.

Speaker 5 (50:18):
A lot of those votes.

Speaker 3 (50:20):
All right, Johnny, You know, I agree with Johnny. I've
been surprised because most of the liberals, leftists and the
media and just the elected officials are winking and nodding
and laughing at this that they're just not going to tell.
But like you get the axios and you get to
some of these other left wing publications, they want her
on the record, Yeah, for the issues they can about.
They're afraid she's gonna run from them, so they're actually

(50:44):
they actually don't trust her enough and they want to
see her say something that they want to hear, which
I'm surprised. I thought they'd all be on the same
sheet of music. Thank you for the observation. I agree
with that that's a good strategy for them. Let's go
to Lindsay and Plain City. Lindsay, thank you for holding,
thank you for calling The Rod and Gregg Show.

Speaker 14 (51:03):
I yeah, I appreciate to tell you my call. One
of the things that I got on the social media platform.
You made comment earlier about let's talk to the Democrats
and asked them to figure out the policies and decipher
what the policies actually were. I unfortunately got involved in
one of those, or maybe I should say fortunately. It

(51:24):
was fascinating. I never once said I was a Trump supporter,
never once said anything. I just simply was asking the question, guys,
please enlighten me. What are those policies? What are we
better off now than four years ago? And they just
went crazy on me. All you Trump maga. People have
to always go here to go there, and it's like wow,

(51:47):
And so I just kind of have told people, and
I'll tell the listeners of the show, we need to
remind ourselves what happened in twenty twenty. Biden literally hit
himself in the basement. You see Trump out there with
tens of thousands of people going to rally some stuff
and Biden still won. Yep, same thing is going to happen.

(52:08):
I walked with people at Tree Trunk could run in
place of Kamala and the Tree Trunk will win.

Speaker 2 (52:14):
I was ready to cut you off there. You know what,
in a way I kind of believe him anymore. I Mean,
this country is just goofy enough to elect your president.

Speaker 1 (52:25):
And I love that too.

Speaker 2 (52:27):
It's trunk.

Speaker 1 (52:28):
Are you better off for four years and you were?

Speaker 10 (52:30):
You?

Speaker 1 (52:30):
Guys always go there, you always go there.

Speaker 3 (52:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (52:33):
Yeah, it's pretty relevant, isn't it.

Speaker 2 (52:36):
It might be where you need to go rather important.

Speaker 3 (52:38):
Here's an administration four years here you are, Now, which one
were you better off in? Oh? Why do you got
to go there?

Speaker 1 (52:43):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (52:44):
Yeah? Why do you Why do you have to ask
that question? What good does that do us?

Speaker 3 (52:48):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (52:49):
Let's see, Yes, I.

Speaker 3 (52:50):
Mean that doesn't further our hate or fear of Trump
when you ask that question. So why would you even ask?
How if we were better off four years ago? That
doesn't get us where we want to go now?

Speaker 2 (53:00):
It doesn't, all right? Our number three of the Rod
our Kat and Greg Hughes Show coming up. We call
it the Rod and Greg Show. A question a request
that I've been asking for a long time. Greg, I
think you agree with me on this one. We'll talk
about it after our news updates coming up with Rod
and Greg. One of the things that I've talked about

(53:24):
for a long time. And I don't know, Greg, if
you agree or disagree with me on this. I have
never been able to figure out why we have a
US Department of Education, and I don't think we need one.

Speaker 1 (53:37):
Well, we love education, right and we love children.

Speaker 3 (53:39):
So why on earth would you be opposed to a
federal department solely and only committed to educating children. You
must want ignorant children, Yeah, I do.

Speaker 2 (53:50):
I'm calling for ignorant children in America. But under the
current system in many cities, don't we already have that?
I mean, think about it, Greg, look at the tests.
Oh awful, awful.

Speaker 3 (54:02):
Well, people recoil that way. But that's you're exactly right
that there's a there's a very good discussion to be
had here with this federal approach to educating kids.

Speaker 2 (54:11):
Yeah, and was it? Was it?

Speaker 6 (54:13):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (54:14):
George H. W. Bush? Who who created was it the
Department of Education? Was it created under him? And Ted?

Speaker 9 (54:20):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (54:21):
I can't remember his last name was Ted Bell? Who
used to be here in Utah. Didn't they create the
Department of Education?

Speaker 15 (54:26):
No?

Speaker 3 (54:27):
They had, we had they did then it predates them.
They get no child left behind? And but we had
it before they came. They just that's what I was
going to refer to. Is it? Forget about the only
time I ever saw a Democrat dislike federal education policy
was when George W.

Speaker 1 (54:44):
Bush had No Child Left Behind?

Speaker 3 (54:45):
But it's it is an example of I think, why
you don't want a national of one size fits all
approach to every kid in every state. No Child left
Pine did not work in Utah, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (54:55):
Sure didn't. John England is joining us on our Newsmaker line.
John is an education policy analyst at Labertas Institute.

Speaker 9 (55:02):
John.

Speaker 2 (55:02):
Welcome to the Robin, Greg Joe, thanks for joining us tonight.

Speaker 10 (55:04):
John, happy to be here. Thanks for having me.

Speaker 2 (55:08):
All right, John, You right, it's time for the Department
of Education to go a men a men? Amen. Why
are you saying.

Speaker 10 (55:15):
That, John, Well, let's think about how the Department of
Education works. So first, the federal government comes in, takes
a bunch of tax payer money. They hire thousands of
people to write rules and regulations to tie up how
we're spending that money. Then they return what's left over
to the states with all these rules and regulations. Oh,

(55:35):
by the way, sometimes they pass really controversial rules like
they did with Title nine. Not too long ago. That
doesn't seem like a very efficient system to me.

Speaker 3 (55:48):
Yeah, and you're an educator. I mean, you've been a principal,
you've been a teacher, you've been a principal. Maybe share
with listeners. Why in the world wouldn't maybe a state
like Wyoming or a state like Utah need or or
need the same federal policies on educating children as you
would in California, or maybe Pennsylvania or New York. Why
doesn't it line size fit all?

Speaker 11 (56:10):
Well?

Speaker 10 (56:10):
And that's the thing is, I was an educator, so
I did my time teaching in Title Wan low income schools.
I was a principal in a higher income school, and
the students who attended both of those schools were very different.
Nobody thinks that a bureaucrat in Washington, DC knows what
their child needs in Wyoming, in Utah, in Idaho, or

(56:32):
even in California for that matter. It just doesn't make
sense that really have the Department of Education around.

Speaker 2 (56:37):
John What about this infatuation that we have in education
to collect numbers and look at test scores, I mean
and analyze all the time. To me, that almost seems
us in sole purpose of the Department of Education is
to do something like that. This infatuation we have with this,
is it doing us any good?

Speaker 10 (56:57):
John, No, I don't don't think it is. And that
really is a lot of what they're doing is they're
just collecting a lot of data on our children. They're
analyzing it. I saw a report not too long ago
that somebody is trying to decide if certain homes are
doing the right thing by kids through the data that

(57:19):
they're collecting on things like the federal school lunch program.
It's just a crazy thing to think that, Hey, this
guy in Washington, d C. Knows what's best for your kid.
It just doesn't make any sense.

Speaker 1 (57:31):
So how about this? What do we have to show
for it?

Speaker 3 (57:34):
Let's say that the approach is wrong, But given the
herculean amount of federal money, taxpayer money that we send
to Washington they take and they send back to us
in the form of regulations for schools, do we have
any success is there? Are we better off or these
students better off in any way? Even if the process
or the philosophical approach is wrong, do we have any

(57:57):
measurables that we would feel good about doing it this way?

Speaker 10 (58:01):
I can't think of any I mean, let's look at
like you guys were talking about when the Department of
Education was formed. I was formed in nineteen eighty. A
few years after that, we had Nation at Risk that
came in and basically said, hey, if a foreign government
came in and did what was happening in our schools,
we would consider an act of war. But unfortunately, we

(58:23):
have done this to ourselves. And that was over forty
years ago. Now look at the state of education today.
Does anybody think that our schools are doing a better
job to date than they were forty years ago?

Speaker 8 (58:33):
I don't.

Speaker 10 (58:33):
I mean, and it has nothing to do with the
teachers that are there. The teachers want to teach, but
there are so many rules that they have to follow
that in some ways it ends up tying their hands
on what they can and can't do.

Speaker 2 (58:44):
John, how do we even justify keeping, you know, keeping
the funding going to the Department of Education When you
look all around the country, test scores scores in science, math,
and social studies are going down in instead of coming up, John,
So how do we justify even keeping the Department of
Education around? What on earth are they doing.

Speaker 13 (59:08):
Well?

Speaker 10 (59:08):
I mean, it must be spending for education, so therefore
it must be good. Right, not necessarily, just because we're
spending money on education doesn't mean it's a good thing.
But that's that's the political story that everybody tells, is
that because we're spending this money, therefore we're doing a
good thing for education. We're just not. It's a false

(59:29):
argument and it doesn't interest any of the issues.

Speaker 3 (59:34):
So I have a question. This is a tough one,
and it's just it's it's European. I don't think there's
a right or wrong answer. It's your opinion.

Speaker 1 (59:39):
But so back in the mid two thousands during the
Bush W.

Speaker 3 (59:42):
George W. Bush administration, when I was a lawmaker, we
had then a representative, Margaret Dayton, her resolution, and we
were getting out, we were removing ourselves as a state
from No Child Left Behind federal mandates in our public schools.
The Bush administration came back and said, if you did,
you're going to lose a Title I funding for free

(01:00:03):
and reduced lunch kids. Your special education dollars, special ed
dollars would be taken away too. At the time, John,
that represented about three hundred million dollars, which was you know,
spends that's a lot of money, that would be a
much much larger dollar amount. Now, so if we wanted
to completely extract ourselves from these federal mandates and say, Okay,
you can have a Department of Education, but the State

(01:00:23):
of Utah we're not going to put our kids through
this anymore. We see no value add. There is no
value add. If they came back and said, these are
the federal funds that you won't be able to receive
even with the strings attached, would that be a good
enough trade or do we need to get rid of
the department itself to make this a workable scenario?

Speaker 10 (01:00:43):
You know, I think that's a really good idea. Actually is,
let's look at what is this costing the state of Utah. Currently,
funding from the federal government to schools in Utah does
represent about ten percent of total funding, and so that's
a get big chunk of change, and we do have
to consider that. But I think if we were able

(01:01:04):
to remove ourselves from the amount of rules that they're
creating and be able to really individualize the schools in
the state of Utah, our public schools, like that would
be an ideal situation in my mind, But that might
cost us a little bit more in our state taxes.

Speaker 2 (01:01:19):
Now, John, final question for you, how long and what
would it take to just completely dismantle the Department of Education?
How long would it take and what would it take?

Speaker 10 (01:01:31):
You know, most of the functions that the Department of
Education are doing can be covered in a lot of
the other departments. I don't think it should take more
than a couple of years to really dismantle it. I
haven't looked into that specifically of how long it should take,
but if you're going to take longer than any president's tournament,
means that's not going to happen.

Speaker 2 (01:01:53):
John, Thank you for joining us tonight.

Speaker 10 (01:01:56):
Thanks for having me on on our.

Speaker 2 (01:01:57):
Newsmaker line that as John England. John is with Lebertas Institute.
He's their education policy analyst, Greg And I'm all in
favor of taking the Department of Education back. I think
we here in the state of Utah know what our
children need to learn. Give us the money back. Don't
you just take the money that all goes to that department?
And I don't know. I meant to ask you on

(01:02:19):
this how big of a department this is, because my
guess keeps on getting bigger and bigger. Take all that
money divided among the states proportionately and let the states
have that.

Speaker 3 (01:02:30):
It's it absolutely, you just have adults protecting adult systems.
At this point, there's no r I don't think there
can be any argument. And you can still provide Title
one dollars for free and reduced launch or do those
things without the way they are socially engineering these kids.
They are data mining these children. They do want to
get inside the home to get more data, and we
do have to I think untether ourselves as a state,

(01:02:53):
and I think we could do it from these federal mandates. Look,
I think once they started sexualizing these kids and they
started going down this road of where you know title
line means you you have to let boys play girls sports,
I think we should be out of here. I think
that's the that's the moment we say, okay, we we've
we always knew this wasn't the right way to do it,

(01:03:14):
but this is a this is a bridge too far.

Speaker 2 (01:03:16):
It is all right, Mary coming up, Rod and Greg
on Talk Radio one oh five nine kN rs.

Speaker 3 (01:03:21):
Wish you were here, Rod. I try to get you
down here. I thought we could do the whole show
from down here, but you you just you. You're a homebody.
You were afraid nothing want to come in here.

Speaker 2 (01:03:30):
You like to go down there because that's the only
county you won in the governor's race.

Speaker 3 (01:03:35):
I won eleven, sir, and it is one I won
by double digit chess and it is a very large
county if you want to go into it.

Speaker 1 (01:03:40):
But no, I'm so over that, you can tell. I'm
just so over that.

Speaker 2 (01:03:44):
I can tell. I love saying, George. I mean talking
talk about a growing area, Greg, I mean southern Utah.
Look out, man, it's going to become a political force
in this state. If it isn't already, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:03:56):
It is.

Speaker 1 (01:03:57):
It's growing.

Speaker 3 (01:03:58):
The population is growing. It's the largest county off of
the Wasatch Front, and it is growing. I mean there's
growing pains that come along with that, and certainly the
residents in Washington County are feeling it. But yeah, with
population and with this popularity of the of Washington County,
they are there, They're building political capital. They're also in
such a different situation here because they are the hub

(01:04:19):
for all the rural counties for their criminal justice, for
their health care, for so much that goes on, and
we just don't have that type of role with the
larger counties along the Watatch Front. So it just really
has its own identity down here, and you can kind
of feel it when you're down here. It's by the way,
the people that have moved here from out of state,
they're political refugees.

Speaker 1 (01:04:37):
Rod They're not Democrats are coming Conservative.

Speaker 3 (01:04:41):
These are conservaives that couldn't handle California, Oregon, Washington, Nevada anymore.
They are running for their lives and they've all decided
to go to Washington. I call it liberty Land down here.
It is liberty Land.

Speaker 2 (01:04:50):
Yeah, it sure is. Donald Trump. You know, the guy
has boundless energy. He only sleeps three to four hours
a day. I mean, you know, I don't I think
his diet is the best in the world because he
likes big Macs, you know, so I don't know what
that does their diet judge it. I like a big
Mac occasionally as well. Are you popping champagne corks in there?

(01:05:12):
Because I keep on hearing popping going on in Saint George.

Speaker 3 (01:05:16):
You know, it's one tiny little technical difficulty that if
I don't keep the cursor moving and my screen goes dark.
That's what you hear.

Speaker 2 (01:05:23):
Oh yeah, okay, okay, Well Trump was on Guttfeld last night.
It was really fun. I mean, both you and I
commented at the rally yesterday, Trump looked pretty good. He
looked relaxed, he looked tanned. He got a haircut. He
looks better with with the shorter hair. But he decided.
I thought this was a great moment for him last night,
showing up on Guttfeld, which, by the way, is beating

(01:05:45):
every other late night talk show in the country. As
a matter of fact, who was it a fallon on NBC?
His show is going to four days a week instead
of five days a week. One of the reasons is, oh, yeah,
Guttfelt is beating it. But I want to let you
hear a few comments that the former president said last night.
This is how the show started.

Speaker 1 (01:06:04):
Oh this is a key.

Speaker 2 (01:06:06):
How's your golf game?

Speaker 16 (01:06:08):
Well, haven't been thinking about it too much lately. I
always said golf is a very dangerous game.

Speaker 15 (01:06:15):
Really, it really is, especially if they're playing with you.

Speaker 1 (01:06:19):
Yeah, that's true, that's.

Speaker 2 (01:06:21):
What that was a mi joke.

Speaker 15 (01:06:23):
Pretty sad, did you if DA had told you that
the shooter was there, would you have tried to take
him out with your three Wood, I think.

Speaker 2 (01:06:31):
So, yeah, I think now he did get serious. He
was asked about Kamala's flip flops. Here's what he had
to say.

Speaker 16 (01:06:39):
So, she had policies that she's now changed, fourteen policies
about fracking. She was totally against for fifteen years for racking. Now,
all of a sudden, a short while ago, she came
out in favor of fact.

Speaker 3 (01:06:51):
Same thing with guns.

Speaker 16 (01:06:52):
She said, no, no, I don't want to take your guns.

Speaker 2 (01:06:53):
I don't want to.

Speaker 16 (01:06:54):
For twenty years she's wanted to take your guns. All
of a sudden, a short while ago, she said, no, no,
I don't want to. One thing about a politician, they
always revert back to where they were at the beginning
because that's what their natural inclination is. Her father is
a Marxist professor.

Speaker 3 (01:07:08):
I mean, that's the way it is.

Speaker 16 (01:07:10):
And he's currently and I don't know what happened to
the father, but we haven't seen him.

Speaker 2 (01:07:13):
I'd love to be able to talk to him.

Speaker 16 (01:07:15):
You know, Barackusen Obama's brother is supporting Trump. This Governor Watz,
his brother and his whole family is supporting In fact,
they want to make contributions to my campaign.

Speaker 2 (01:07:25):
Well, that was the president getting serious, but they had
a little fun. Now. The President was given the chair
the Tyros usually sits in, right, and Tyros was a
bit offender that the president was sitting in his chair,
but he didn't let the moment go to waste.

Speaker 14 (01:07:39):
Oh thank you for WrestleMania four and five.

Speaker 6 (01:07:41):
By the way, thank you very much.

Speaker 15 (01:07:43):
But if you're going to sit in that chair, if
you're going to do the Tyres experience, you have to
do it right because you are the people's Championshi.

Speaker 4 (01:07:48):
Oh wow, I don't like that now I'm here. Oh
that's a good one.

Speaker 15 (01:08:02):
Good now call them professional ones now, but this is
the real one. This is a real deal.

Speaker 9 (01:08:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:08:16):
Hell, I'm gonna give a fake belt more use to that.

Speaker 2 (01:08:24):
He gave the He gave the former president a championship belt.
You know what those look like, Greg, in both boxing
and in wrestling. I had trump is a beautiful belt
and the President, I think was very touch that he
gave him this belt. I mean, he is a big
supporter of wrestling and the other the other arts out
there that you enjoyed so much. And uh, that belt
was a nice touching thing for Tyrus to do to

(01:08:45):
the former President.

Speaker 3 (01:08:47):
It is, and I'm telling you that, uh yeah, there's
that belt. If he doesn't have one that I'm that
he's going to that'll be in the White House, Okay,
you get you'll see it in the Oval office.

Speaker 1 (01:08:59):
That will be beautiful.

Speaker 2 (01:09:00):
And I would love that, Yeah, it would be. It
would be. So the President had a good time last
night on gut Field Show, and I caught a little
bit of it. It just he was relaxed, he was
having fun. They were joking that you just don't see
the president in that light often enough in my opinion.
All Right, more coming up on the Roden greg Show
right here on Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine
a NRS.

Speaker 1 (01:09:21):
I like to drive fast but safe.

Speaker 2 (01:09:24):
Yes, yeah, well you know what you do do you
just need to do. You're down with there with the sheriffs.
Just ask for a sheriff's escort.

Speaker 1 (01:09:32):
Or I just give me the lights. That would be awesome.

Speaker 3 (01:09:36):
I just want the lights, you just want to I
don't need the sheriff. I just need their lights. Yes,
that's all just a little ass. I don't know. Maybe
they do it, that would work. Yeah, they can deputize me,
I think, can't they deputize me. If they will deputize me,
then I can use the lights and I can just
grow through red lights.

Speaker 1 (01:09:51):
I can do anything I want.

Speaker 2 (01:09:52):
Yeah, and you would I'd love it, Yeah, you would.

Speaker 1 (01:09:55):
I wouldn't abuse it. I wouldn't abuse it.

Speaker 3 (01:09:57):
I would be so judicious, Yeah, with my speedy.

Speaker 2 (01:10:00):
Yeah. Yes, there's a fascinating new mockumentary out there. I
think it was what they call him nowadays. Remember it
was about a year ago that Matt Walsh did a
documentary he went around the globe trying to find out
what a woman is? I know, remember then, I mean
he just what is a woman? He just wanted to

(01:10:21):
find out what is a woman? Well, he's got a
brand new one out and it's already kind of getting
a lot of interest. And it's called I Am a racist.
And you know that term greg gets thrown around so
much anymore. How do you know if you're a racist?

Speaker 1 (01:10:36):
It's am I a racist?

Speaker 3 (01:10:37):
And yes it is well in the in the leftists world,
by virtue of the color of your skin, if it's white,
you are a racist.

Speaker 1 (01:10:45):
You are you are systemically a racist.

Speaker 2 (01:10:47):
That's true. So so yeah, Well, Justin faulk is the
director of the new film that he worked with on.
Matt Justin, thanks for joining us tonight on the Rod
and Greg Show. Let me ask you, Justin, are you
surper the reaction to this has already been so positive?
You surprised at all by then?

Speaker 6 (01:11:05):
Well, thanks for having me, I am. I'm pleasantly surprised
that the reaction. I really the reaction has been fantastic.
I thought we had a good film. I thought we
had a funny film and an important film about a
very serious topic. But the reaction has been great. And
all the you know, the jokes that we have in
the movie, all the moments, all the things that we

(01:11:26):
really carefully crafted, it really seemed to land with people.
It really seem to resonate, and so as filmmakers, I
don't think we could be more pleased about that. So
it's great to see the reaction. Ultimately, go out and
do this work, you don't know how it's going to
be received, and to be received like this has been very,
very exciting.

Speaker 3 (01:11:45):
Justin my question, you're the director of this film, and
so there's so much of this creativity and how you're
putting the film together. It's called a mockumentary. You're letting
them discredit themselves. You're just letting them feel like they're
in this. You know, I'll use the inaccurate a space
and then they just run with it and they themselves.
It literally rights itself itself if you give them, give

(01:12:07):
them the opportunity. How did you know as a director
of this film where to go and how to let
them basically write their own script. I mean, it's it's
I don't I don't think I could have guessed it
could be as funny and as entertaining as you've created
in a film.

Speaker 6 (01:12:22):
Well, thank you very much. I think at the core
of all of this is the fact that there are
people pushing some very very bad ideas in society and
crazy ideas, and ultimately Americans need to know this. Most
Americans go about their lives and live in a common
sense world. But there are people out there that are
making money and and you know, uh, building up power

(01:12:45):
by pushing these really divisive ideas. And so the tactic
art is to just simply let them reveal themselves for
who they actually are, what they believe, what they're pushing
on all of us. And yeah, it is a bit
shocking to the rest of us in the real world
and have more of a commissence type of attitude. And
so that really is our goal.

Speaker 10 (01:13:06):
It was our goal with our.

Speaker 6 (01:13:07):
Previous film What Is a Woman, to simply just allow
them in their own words, the same way they believe
and let's let's just fall. Obviously having you know, always
having Matt Walsh in the scene and the guy is
a brilliant, brilliant on his speed and very very funny
in this movie. That adds another dimension to it. But

(01:13:29):
it is important that Americans really understand what these people
think and what they're trying to do.

Speaker 2 (01:13:35):
Matt, you are justin. You had so much success with
What Is a Woman? This term racist gets tossed around
in this country today like you wouldn't believe, And I'm
not sure if people understand really what the word means
and how they define what a racist is. Is that
the approach you were trying trying to take here justin, Yeah,
I mean.

Speaker 6 (01:13:54):
The word unfortunately had lost this meeting because of the
way people use it and calling things racists that really
aren't racist. And our point was this movie isn't to
say that racism doesn't exist in society. Obviously, there are
racists out there. I think they have less, way, less
influence in society than that. Ever, I think these people

(01:14:16):
are relegated to the sort of dregs of society. To
be a racist is one of the worst possible things
you can be in society. And so what's happening is
people are using this term and using the race issue
as a power play. They're using it for power and
for money, and they're sort of reinventing it for their

(01:14:38):
own purposes, and they're dividing Americans in the process. And
that's why that's what we all need to just basically
say no more, you know, we it's time to move
past this. And I think it's going. You know, we
do a fair bit of ridicule. We make fun of
these ideas. You know, we don't necessarily go out to
the people, but we do go out to the ideas.

(01:14:59):
And and I think it's important that in that manner
to sort of poison in this ideology, this this griff
to speak that all these people are are you know,
basically foresting on Americans.

Speaker 3 (01:15:13):
Justin h So, you know, DEI diversity, equity, inclusion, it
runs very deep, you say, you said at the beginning
of our interview, it's a serious It is a very
serious issue, and we've we've dealt with this politically, we've
seen it dealt with in our legislature, with our institutions
of higher learning. But it goes it runs so deep
that you came to Utah. Can you share maybe our listeners, Uh,

(01:15:36):
the experience you had in Utah, that's that I believe
finds itself in the film.

Speaker 6 (01:15:40):
Yeah. I'll start by saying, we had a wonderful time
in Utah. So thank you for being susp gracious post
for our movie. It actually went so well that we
actually began this the very first scene of the movie
and then we see it later on as well, but
not visit's one of your Vocal Televisions television programs to

(01:16:02):
talk about his new DEI Workshop. He's promoting his new
EI workshop. This is a workshop and he put together
based on all the ideas that he's heard throughout the film,
and so it's sort of our way of taking things
to their logical conclusion and show the audience, hey, this
is what this leads to. So we had the privilege

(01:16:23):
to come to Salt Lake and visit the Good Things
Utah TV program and that was able to talk about
his workshop. But to your previous point there about how
pervasive this is. It is everywhere you know, every fortune
five hundred company has or has had a DEI initiative.

(01:16:44):
It's a multi billion dollar industry and it's based on
it's built on dividing us based on immutable characteristics like
race and sex and things like that, which really are
things that we need to move past. Like really, the
nineteen sixty four Civil Rights Act was signed to prevent
us from doing this sort of thing, and so I

(01:17:07):
think that's one of the messages of the film.

Speaker 2 (01:17:09):
Final question for you, justin sure do Greg and I
are sure to appreciate your time. What do you hope
people I just like to ask this question of filmmakers
and authors. What do you hope people take away if
they go to this mockumentary and sit down and watch
am I erations. What do you hope they take away
from it?

Speaker 6 (01:17:25):
Well, our first goal is always to make sure people,
you know, laugh and are entertained, and we want people
have a good time. But there is a serious message
here and we hope that film gives people courage. I
think if people had the courage to stand up against
this and say you know what, I'm not gonna go
along with this anymore. I think that's really a goal
of the film. And we had quite a bit of

(01:17:47):
success with one of the women in this regard, where
after what is the woman, there was many many policy
victories around sort of preventing the gender mutilation and medicalization
chill written uh and and also basically the whole fight
over men and women's sports, and I think we changed
culture in that regard and it was really a proud

(01:18:10):
moment for us. And I hope this film does some
of that same type of thing. You know, that people
will look at.

Speaker 17 (01:18:17):
The issue of DEI differently, and they will question it,
and they will question the people that are pushing this stuff.
But ultimately I hope it gets people courage to stand
up and say, you know what, no more.

Speaker 2 (01:18:29):
I hope to see that. I have not seen the
other documentary that Matt put together and this one. They
both look very very entertaining, and the feedback on this
one is very very good. Greg This is one that
I think a lot of people will enjoy.

Speaker 3 (01:18:46):
As I said, I think that the left has no
humor left, and I think that one of the good
things about one I think of the things about these
young comedians that are coming on the scene is that
they want they're not politically correct. They're not they're not
I mean, they're they're embracing comedy again. And and that
happens to be uh right up the alley of a
movie like this, and and and what you're where, you're

(01:19:08):
seeing comedy in general go in the United States right now.

Speaker 2 (01:19:12):
Now, all right, So final thoughts on Roder and Greg
right here on Utah's Talk Radio one O five nine
kN R S.

Speaker 3 (01:19:19):
So, I'm gonna head my this is you know this.
I think we're winding it down. We're landing the plane
here and I'll be back up there for the Man's
Central Command tomorrow for the program.

Speaker 2 (01:19:31):
Yeah it is. And can you believe tomorrow? It is?

Speaker 3 (01:19:34):
It is?

Speaker 2 (01:19:34):
Thank g Rod, It's Friday tomorrow. Yeah, yeah, Well we'll
wrap things up. Gotta have fun, g Rod, It's Friday. Yeah,
isn't a new thing that we're calling Well, we used
to call thank Rod it is Friday. But I don't
want to offend you. So I tried to figure out
a way. And this this was a suggestion from one

(01:19:54):
of our great listeners, because we're debating can't call it.
Thank Rod, it's Friday anymore. You're here, so now we've
added the G Thanks g Ron, it's ready.

Speaker 1 (01:20:05):
Well, thank goodness, I'm here.

Speaker 2 (01:20:07):
Yeah, safe traveling to you, and we'll talk to you tomorrow.
Head up, shoulders back. May God bless you and your
family and it's great chantry of ours. Enjoy your Thursday

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