Rod Arquette Show w/ Greg Hughes: Day One at the RNC - Donald Trump Jr.; Tudor Dixon; Jason Chaffetz - The Rod & Greg Show

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I wonder Greg, if Donald Trumpis a little uh mad at Mike League
for spilling the beans a bit earlytoday on the VP nomination. That's something,
just a little bit of breaking newscoming out of Utah and our and
our good United States Senator. Well, Rod, maybe this is just another
day walking a park for you,But man, I am telling you,

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I am freaking out. Man,this is so exciting. This is a
kind of sugar high. I ama politics high. I've been geeking out.
There's so many incredible people here atthis National Convention. We've been talking
to all these pinion leaders and electedofficials that you see. And anyway,
I'm having a great time. Whata weekend, though, huh oh,
what a weekend for the last threedays, you know, seventy two hours

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Greg, And we'll get into that. How are you. Everybody? Welcome
to the Rodarquet Show, along withcitizen Greg Hughes, who we had to
drag to Michigan Art to Milwaukee,by the way, he came very reluctantly,
but to do this show. We'llbe here for three days, and
like you said, Greg, itis just great being here. It is
a Republican National Convention. We've beentalking to all the delegates from Utah.

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They are so excited about what istaking place this week. Donald Trump officially
nominated today to be the GOP candidatefor the White House, announcing JD.
Vance is going to be his vicepresident for one he might and like you
said, past seventy two hours.Wow, And it all started Saturday afternoon.
Wow. Today when I think allof our lives came to a halt.

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I know I did. I hada lot of things doing before I
was going to leave for town,and here I am watching this TV and
disbelief. So we have President Trumpwith us, you know. And I
think it's a miracle, I reallydo. No one's going to call it
a freak occurrence. To me.I think it was in a miracle that
he turned and looked at that videoscreen and was just barely missed by the

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assassin's bullet. But we have ourpresident, a former president here. Now,
we have a nominee for vice presidentand JD. Vance, a strong
senator from Ohio, and we havethe charges just to throw it for a
little sprinkling, we have the JackSmith you know, classified documents case being

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tossed out, Yeah, being tossedout today today. What more news do
we mean today? There is somuch going on today and it is the
first day of the convention. We'vegot there, I mean security around here.
Yeah, it's just like you know, I'll walk a country mile before
you even get to the security checkpoint. I kind of suspected this might be
the safest place you could be ina way would hold you would hold the

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number of members of law enforcement.And uh, and so it is.
And I've I've talked to people onthe ground, folks. There's stuff on
that we're pulling back curtains, sowe're gonna give you some of the inside
baseball. Uh. Plans have changed. I mean the way this was being
operated two days ago versus the wayit was yesterday versus the way it was
today today is different than yesterday byway of security protocols. So it's been

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tightening up just even as this conventionis kicking off. And I and you
can't. It has to be becauseof the horrific situation Butler Pennsylvania and the
attempted assassination of President Trump. Youknow what's funny about that, Greg,
And he's talking about that, andit will hear more of that over the
coming days. But he did aninterview and I'm trying to remember it was.
I think it was with Brett Baerfrom Fox News. He had a

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chance to talk to him, andinitially President Trump thought he'd been stung by
a bee. Yeah, you know, because it felt like that. And
then he grabbed his ear and youcan see that, and then he saw
blood in his hands. That's whenhe hit the deck and he went down
on it. He wasn't knockdown.He went down and went down on his
own. He did what instinctively heis told to do. And then that's
when you had the Secret Service rushto get him off the state. But

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it took him forever to get offthe stage. I think that there are
so many questions about what happened onSaturday. And I know we're going to
be talking with Utah County Sheriff MikeSmith here in a few minutes about you
know, and he has a lotof experience in this to try and give
us a little understanding as to whathappened Saturday. So, folks, Mike
Smith Sheriff. Mike Smith, sheriffof Utah County. He has been a

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swat is. He was the chiefof police. I believe a pleasant grove
before he ran and won the officeof a Utah County sheriff. I think
he's had some training at Kuantanamo withthe FBI, a lot of a lot
of a lot of professional background andexperience in this space, and so and
a first time delegate here in Milwaukee. So he's here with the Wash with

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the Utah delegation here in Milwaukee.So we're he's going to sit down with
us this hour and kind of explainwhat his observations are, because I'll tell
you what when I was watching thisin real time on Saturday. Look,
I don't know what if you havea live shooter, you see people running,
you usually see people getting out.Nobody everybody's taking out their cameras and

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their filming, and they're chanting USA, And I'm way, the president must
have been hit by a projectile.But was it a firework? I mean,
nobody seems to be reacting the wayyou would would be gun. So
I was just so profoundly confused asto what we were actually seeing. Something
serious had happened, But a gunwould do more than just make grab your
ear like you were stung by abee, I would have thought, But
then the story began to roll outas the day progressed, and oh my

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gosh, it was so much moredangerous than I had I that I saw.
It didn't look Noah, the crowddidn't make it look very dangerous in
terms of their reaction, but itwas. It was about as serious as
you could possibly get. And everybodyis talking about less than an inch that's
right. Yeah, I mean,we could have a completely different story.

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He was so lucky. And I'veseen graphics of it. That's how close
that bullet came. If it wouldhave gone just a little bit more toward
his skull, he most likely hewouldn't be with us today. We'd be
talking about a totally different we wouldit would I don't know what we'd be
doing at this moment right now.And the times that he has turned over

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his shoulder to look away from thatcrowd, for anyone that had been to
his rallies before, is non existent. He does not do that. He
stays connected. He likes the eyecontact. And I have to mention the
volunteer firefighter who shielded his daughters andhis wife to pass away like that stuff.
Yeah, it's really tough. It'shard to it is imagine if that

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happened. It is tough. Wehave got a great show lined up for
you today. As we mentioned,Utah Couty Sheriff Mike Smith will join us,
give us his take on, Yeah, where things went right and where
they went wrong on Saturday. Alot of things I think we agree with
Greg went wrong. A lot ofquestions being out there that need to be
answered. Brett Tolman will join us. He's here, of course at the

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convention, former US attorney. He'llweigh in on the tossing out on the
document's cage. That's another thing.A little bit later on, Tutor Dixon
will join us. What a delightTutor. Tutor is. She was a
one time candidate for governor in thestate of Michigan. Tried to take down
Gretchen Whitmer, wasn't able to doso, but she has strong conservative values

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and you know a lot of otherthings. Plus you know, that's such
a fluid situation, so much isgoing on. Jason Chaffits may be able
to join us. He may beable to join us. So we've got
a lot of national representatives as well, So it's going to be fun.
We are several days talk show rowand if I see anyone folks that I
want you to hear from, I'mjust gonna get take this headset off and

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I'm gonna grab him so you canso we can speak with them together.
Yeah. Yeah, it's going tobe fantastic in a great week. And
of course maybe later on we'll havea chance. A little bit later on,
we hope to have some time toget your take on JD. Van's
We want to hear from listeners.If JD. Van selection is the VP
nominee excites people, you know,he's only thirty nine years old. I

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was surprised by that. He hasan old soul, that guy, because
the way he has his life experiences. He fought in the Gulf War after
nine to eleven, he's been toYale. I would have thought that would
have made him a bit of ablue blood, but it's not. He
comes from very humble background. Hewrote the book He'll Billy Elogy about the
working class of America, which,by the way, folks, that's you
and you make up and we makeup the most of most of America.

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We are the majority of this population, and many feel forgotten and uh and
these luxury issues and beliefs that theDemocrats have left so many people behind.
JD. Vans I think a greatpick. Yeah, I think it's a
good move. And I could youknow, you know, the four names,
five names that were being mentioned allthe time. You went back even
Glenn Youngkin the Virginia governor, Youhad Tim Scott, you had Marco Rubio,

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you have Doug burgham all would havebeen fantastic. I think JD.
Van's a very good pick for him. I liked the I like the contrast
between the ages. Yes, Ithink JD. Vans can appeal to that
new generation of conservative, conservative Republicanvoters and Republicans that are coming up through
the ranks. So I think Ithink it's a great choice. And contrast
that with the lack of a benchon the Democrats side they were looking for

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actually a nominee. I We'll getinto that later, but I what does
what did the bide? What doesthe Biden campaign do now when their whole
plan was to demonize Trump and continueto call him a fascist and hitler,
and now by their own omission,this this this rhetoric has to stop.
So what is left for that campaignto even campaign on if it's not.

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Donald Trump is evil and he's theworld will end if he gets elected.
That's that's all they've had, That'sall they had in the wheelhouse. So
you know, who would even wantto take his place at this point with
the climate where the world has changedso much in three days. Well,
you have to think about this aswell. How do they re engineer Joe
Biden's campaign, because, like yousaid, for the last nine years,

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Democrats have done nothing but call DonaldTrump every evil name they can come up
with. Biden's whole campaign, hewas about spend fifty million dollars on the
television campaign with one one thing inmind. Attack Donald Trump, call him
every day. Now that this hashappened, he can't do that. Now
he's the one who says we needto tone down the rhetoric. Well,

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attacking Donald Trump and calling him hitleris not toning down the rhetoric. So
they're having to rethink all of this. Greg And how did Yeah, what's
he talk about? I mean,it's policies, how successful he's been,
I mean, where does he gofrom here? It really leads him in
a connect true real moment, whenwhen the cognitive abilities of the current president
were in such question and President Trump, former President Trump is shot and in

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an unplanned, most unrehearsed moment ofcrisis ever, you see leadership, you
see determination. You see him talkabout we're not we're not quitting, We're
going to fight. I mean,it's just the contrast in the most unexpected,
spontaneous way could not have been stronger. On Saturday, Rodd and Greg,
we are broadcasting live from the RepublicanNational Convention here in Milwaukee. When

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we come back, we're scheduled totalk with former US Attorney Brett Tolman about
the Marl logo classified talking the statesthat got tossed today, Chuck another one
up for the former president. Pluswe've got a lot of other great guests,
and we're live at the Republican NationalConvention in Milwaukee. And by the
way, folks, it's hot andhuman here today. It sure is.
But it is an exciting areas.The atmosphere and the humidity you can cut

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with a knife, Yeah you surecan. You sure? Kid Here in
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Now, so many big stories today, the Republican National Convention getting underway.
You've got the assassination and the attemptedassassination, all the following up that

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is taking place on that today.The announcement today that JD. Vance is
going to be Donald Trump's running mateas we head into the fall. And
the other big announcement today this isabout law fair against Donald Trump, that
classified documents case. Remember the raidOnmarl Lagos several months ago, it got
tossed today. And joining us onour newsmaker line for reaction to that is

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Brett Towman, former US Attorney forthe State of Utah, now with Right
on Crime dot com. Brett,how are you and welcome to the Rod
and Gregg Show live at the RepublicanNational Convention. How are you, Brett?
I'm well, Thanks Rod, Greg, great to be on with you.
I'm glad you're there, you know, giving us live updates on what's
going on. Brett, what aboutthis announcement today on the classified documents case?

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What happened here? It's quite shockingthat this is the fourth or fifth
lower tier news of the day.But yeah, it is a bombshell of
a decision, and it took alot of courage. I've read the decision.
I'm reading it twice now, andit's well reasoned. There's a lot

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of thought that went into it.I think Judge Cannon is very thoughtful.
Her approach to it was actually tolay it out in a way. I
think that these anticipating appellate review ofit. I've never quite seen an opinion
written so much so that it's tryingto anticipate what the appellate courts might do.

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So a lot of people were speculatingthat this classified document case was probably
the most substantive of the charges orindictments against to former President Trump. Did
you see this coming? That this? We knew they had a difficult time
because they were classified documents. Howcould a jury review this and understand it

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with the sensitivity of it all?How would all that roll out? But
to just dismiss it all together withcomments or with a written opinion it says
he's not a US attorney's a citizenand there's very little accountability or supervision.
Did you see this coming at all? You know, Greg, I saw
the two federal cases the DC caseand the Florida case as the ones that

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were potentially the most problematic for Trump. The DC case because you had a
bad judge and you have a jurythat will convict no matter what. The
facts there in DC are bad andthe law is not supportive. But in
Florida you have a very good judgeand a potentially better jury, but you
had stronger facts and a stronger legaltheory behind the case that they were bringing

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in. It wasn't a slam dung, but it was strong legally and factually.
What I think is very important forpeople to understand is Judge Cannon was
correct. This was not legal youknow, manipulation or wrangling. This is
correct. What Merritt Garland did wasa point someone that was not authorized to

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be appointed. The Constitution's very clearon who can be and who can't,
and they have to have Senate approval, which is why US attorneys are appointed
by the President and confirmed by theSenate, which which I was when I
was just attorny. So I alwaysknew this was an issue, but I
did not believe that we would havea judge that had the courage to actually

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issue such an opinion. But shedid where where do we go from here?
I mean, what we've got theDC case and the Georgia case.
Left, where does this go fromhere? In your opinion? Brett,
So, there are two really importantthings to consider. What will they do
in Florida? Now, Merrick Garland, could the US Attorney in Florida to
actually pick up the case to reindict it and try to bring the case

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that's fraught with potential issues, andit's highly doubtful that they'll pursue that route.
They could also appeal, and andif they do appeal, I would
expect that eventually it gets to theSupreme Court, which is not a bad
thing because we should have definitive lawon the appointments clause in DC. Though,

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Rod, if I'm the judge sittingthere and I just had a federal
judge rule that Jack Smith was notconstitutionally appointed, I would think long and
hard before I would let that casecontinue. So, so I like Lona
had Letitia James in Fulton County,She's a Fulton County attorney. It would

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be like a sim Gill or somebodyin Slake County, you know, going
after a president of the United Statesor a former president that and and all
the conduct and all the all themisappropriation of funds that had been made.
It's been such a public spectacle.Do you think this slows her role a
little bit? Do you think thatthis is intimidating in terms of the rulings

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from the Supreme Court, in termsof official actions by a president when he's
president. And now you have this, this case thrown out by you know,
the document case. What happens withLatitia. I've been just thinking about
her today, wondering does she feellike she's out on a thin limb right
now, especially because of uh,everyone else seems to be pulling back.

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Yeah, Greg, and you're rightabout Poland County. And I think you're
referring to Fanny Willis Latsia's in NewYork on the civil cases. Yeah,
but that's okay, Yeah, yepy. So Fanny Willis certainly has a problem.
I don't see that case getting backon track. And what I mean
is I think they're going to indicatethat she has to recuse herself and which

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mains accusing her office. And thenthe question is does another county attorney's office
want to pick this up? Afterall this that's going on so I love
seeing this fall apart. But butlook, we came within, you know,
sentimentters of losing Donald Trump to anassassin, and we have come within

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uh uh uh, you know,centimeters legally speaking, to use utilizing the
law to take out your opponent.It should give everyone in this country a
perspective about where the left is,the Democrats, what they're willing to do.
Compromise law, compliment, compromise rules, throw everything out to take down

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somebody that you don't like, andand and you fear, and and it's
a it's a welcome response by thecourts, but I don't think people realize
how how perilous you know, wecame to our landscape, both with the
assassination attempt and also with what they'retrying to use the law. Boy,
you are spot on, Brett.We sure do appreciate your time. It's

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been a crazy seventy two hours,that's for sure. Brett, Thank you
again, Thank you both. Allright. Brett Tolman, former US Attorney
for Utah, Executive director of therighte on Crime. You know, where
do where did these the rest ofthese cases go? Greg? I mean
where, I think, how canin good light and just common sense thinking
that you and I always talk abouton this show, how can you how

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do you pursue these cases? Ithink they all I think they all go
away, that none of them aregoing to be adjudicated before the election.
At this point, Rue, Ithink what happened on Saturday is really I
think it's a it's a course correctionfor this country. The media doesn't want
to play this. They spent nineyears trying to stigmatize Donald Trump and anyone
that would support him. That's whywe've had this shy Trump vote because of

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what the media created by wave stigma. I don't know that they can even
retrain their own brain to be fairor to have a non inflammatory language,
not call him a fascist, ina dictator or hitler at every in every
sentence. But I think the Americanpeople have seen something that they can't see
it they don't want to see anylonger. And so I think there's a

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course correction that's happening in our country. And to have these big moments happening
in such succession after we've had somany years of just being feeling like we're
under siege, I really do hopethat's what we're seeing that the court cases
then become almost embarrassing, as yousee in the popularity and they are they

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are, Rod and Greg We arelive at the Republican National Convention in Milwaukee.
When we come back, we'll getan expert opinion as to what happens
Saturday. That's right in Butler,Pennsylvania tragedy Utah County. Our Sheriff Mike
Smith will join us delegate and hasa lot of experience for remember SWAT and
a lot of experience in spaces likethis. We'll hear from him when we

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come back after the break. Yep, more coming up right here. Rod
and Gregg broadcasting live for the RepublicanNational in Milwaukee. Hile then, with
a low rate on what does NBCdo, decide to go and have an
interview with Joe Biden tonight so hecan explain some of the remarks that he's
made in the past. He didan interview with Lester Holt of NBC Today,

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and during that interview, he wasasked about that, you know,
we need to put Donald Trump inthe bullseye when it comes to this campaign.
Let's do what he had to say, That's the question, first of
all from Lester Holt with NBC News. Well, let's talk about the conversation
this has started, and it's reallyabout language, what we say out loud,
and the consequences of those You calledyour opponent an existential threat. On

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a call a week ago, yousaid it's time to put Trump in the
bullseye. There's some dispute about thecontext, but I think you appreciate that
the crosshairs I was talking about focuson. Look, the truth of the
matter was, well, I guessI was talking about as the time was,
there's very little focus on Trump's agenda. Yeah, the term as bullseye,

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it was a mistake. I didn'tI didn't say crosshairs. I've been
bulls. I'm focus on it.Focus on what he's doing, Focus on
as on his policies, focus onthe number of lies he told the debate,
focus on I mean, there's there'sa whole range of things that Look,
I'm not the guy that said Iwant to be a dictator on day
one. I'm not the guy thatrefused to accept the outcome of the election.

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I'm not the guy who said thatone accept the outcome of this election
automatically. You can't only love yourcountry when you win. I guess there's
a difference between bulls eye and crosshairs. I've always thought they were the same.
Greg. Isn't it funny how youthe nuanced language. I would expect
you to understand. Well, youknow, Trumpet said bloodbath. He was

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speaking figuratively, not literally. Butthey don't give him that. He said
he was going to be a dictatoron day one and complete and utter sarcasm
of which he's never given him thebenefit of that doubt. Uh. But
but what we're talking about and whypeople are now more sensitive about the language
that we're using, and how itcan uh ferment fement violence and and and

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what we saw on Saturday, thetragic attempted assassination of President Trump. Joining
us is Utah County's very own electedsheriff, Mike Smith. Thank you for
joining us here at the convention.Well, you're a delegate. Why do
you think so far? Sheriff?Interesting. Yeah, he's been looking at
the egressing gress of these facilities andhe's not satisfied that we're sad that this

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is a safe and it's just toocrowded here, isn't it. Yeah,
No, let me ask you this. You have a long history. I
know you're not just Utah Counties popularand elected sheriff. You are the president
of the Sheriff Utah Sheriff Association.Prior to that, you were a chief
of police for a city, andyou've also been in SWAT. You I

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don't know if you're a SWAT commander, but you have experience as a SWAK
commander and also some federal training,uh in Quantanamo, So you have I
mean this, you have some expertisein this area. As you see these
stories coming out. When you seethe map, we looked at that overhead
of where that building, the roofof that building was in proximity to where
President Trump was speaking, and whatyou would know about securing an area.

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What are some of the observations thatyou've made in terms of what happened there
on Saturday. Yeah, great questions. You know, when you look at
it, it's hard for me toI never want to be that guy,
right and because all I know iswhat is being reported in the media.
But I'll tell you, just lookingat the site plan of where that building
is in the direct line of sightto that stage, I have a hard

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time that that building and that rooftopwas not secured. That is a huge
oversight. Let me ask you,Mike, there was one comment I think
it was Corey mills Maid that intriguedme that could it have been that local
police there in in Butler, Pennsylvaniaor federal officials may have thought the guy

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on the roof who shot tug ashot to Donald Trump was in fact local
law enforcement and there just wasn't anin coordination between them. Could that?
I mean, is that a possibility? Mind, it's a possibility, you
know, I don't know that,but it's definitely a possibility, and again,
would be a huge oversight in thesecurity plan. If Mike Smith,

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if Sheriff Smith was in charge,this is Butler County, this is a
fair ground area that they were theywere securing, they were working directly with
law enforcement in that area, theSecret Service, where they had some responsibility
of the perimeter. If Sheriff youwere there, do you can you ever
imagine a scenario where people in thecrowd would be your counterintelligence or informing you

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of someone bear crawling on a roofor on a roof, or would you
imagine that you would have some understandingof that situation prior to people in the
in the in the audience screaming andyelling and pointing. Yeah, yeah,
you would. You would definitely wantto have your ducks in a row and
have that area secured. And it'snot upon the attendees of that to alert

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you to secure charity breaches in yourplan. What about there's there's a couple
of stories you have. You hadthe snipers that were on there that really
quickly took took out the assailant.The assassin would be assassin very quickly,
but once they finally fired, butthey're counting anywhere from four to five to
even seven or eight shots that wereable to be taken before and you can

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see where they're sitting at a perchwhere they could have taken that shot.
Would they have been instructed not toengage with that? How would they?
Is there anything that in your trainingthat would tell you why if you were
there and you saw that person witha rifle, you would not fire before
President Trump was fired upon. Yeah, in that scenario with with a gun

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went on a roof, a longgun, that's setting up, you know,
setting up to take that shot.You're not waiting for shots to be
fired, right, aren't you tellingsomebody Mike, go check that guy out
right now. I mean, whenyou it seems logical that's what you'd be
doing. Yep, you would be. It would be all over the second
that person was spotted on that roof. So President Trump has not criticized his

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Secret Service detail at all. He'sexpressed nothing but appreciation for keeping him alive.
But would you, and again we'reasking you because you have some expertise
in this space, is there alack of staffing and what is it that
could because we're told that there iszero room. The only thing that defines
success is that this never ever everhappens. So we're past whether this was

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a failure or not. It isby every definition a complete failure. It
is. Do you think this isa lack of staffing? Is this competence
some people are talking about some ofthe agents, whether it be the DEI
where you have to have diversity inpeople's training, or physical fitness standards might
be different. Is there anything thatin your experience in this space you think

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contributed to this event happened. It'shard to It's hard to say, you
know, we can speculate all thosethings. I just don't know. I
don't know what came into the decisionmaking to not have those areas secure,
but they should have been whatever youcan attach to it, it should have
been fixed, it should have beenhandled. And you know it's a tragedy.

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And you look at that distance.You're roughly one hundred and forty one
yards from that stage a long gun. That's not that difficult of a shot
with a long gun. Honestly,you know the media wants to villainize AR
fifteen's. They're probably lucky that's theplatform he used because you use a better
platform and we could have had acompletely different outcome. Yeah, yeah,

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Mike has always we appreciated expertise.Thanks for coming on by. I know
it's a busy time being the firsttime delegate. Quite an experience, right
it is. It's been very interesting, a good time. You know,
this man so humble, he's notgoing to sit and he doesn't like to
play Monday morning quarterback's. If youheard his answers, he's telling you what
he would expect of himself or ifhe's in charge. But I'll tell you

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what a sad time and a scarytime for this country that we saw that
roll out the way well, andyeah, it's tragic. We're so happy
that President Trump is here with usand still still fighting with us, but
a tragic, tragic answer. Yeah, as sure as Mike. Thank you,
Mike Smith. You Tah Colvy Sheriffjoining us here on the Rod Arcut

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Show with Citizen Greg Hughes. That'sright, of course, live from the
Republican National Convention here in Milwaukee.Great to be with you this afternoon,
everybody. I just saw you speakingwith Congressman Ronnie Jackson, former physician to
President Trump. He's got a coupleof interviews now, but he will be
back here tomorrow. We're and hesaid he'd love to come on and talk
to us, so we'll get Congressman. Yeah, you have a personal physician

(28:37):
for former President Trump, and Iwatched him over the weekend. His nephew
was at the rally Butler, Pennsylvania. His nephew had a bullet graze his
neck. Wow, went to thetent to receive medical attention and saw the
gentleman who had been killed there andleft because there was something worse there.
And so just tragic stories coming outof Butler, Pennsylvania. I don't know

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if you saw, but I meanI've been to Pennsylvany. I've been to
Butler, PA. My nephew playedfootball for Butler High School, and I've
been to a senior night. Iknow that town very well. And I've
said this before, but I don'tknow that you can predict where an attempted
presidential assassination would occur. But Iwould tell you that Butler, PA would
be the last place on any listfor me, given the people there and

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in the very much a rural atmospherethere, and they've had hard economic times
and they love Trump because it's Trumpcontry and kitchen table issues and so it's
been It's a unique place and aplace you would expect something like expect something
like that to have happened. Yeah, Well, we've got a lot more
to come from the Republican National Convention. We're hoping to talk with Jason Chafitz

(29:45):
also Utah Senator Mike Lee Tutor.Dixon's scheduled to join us a little bit
later on in the show, andI think in the coming howur Greg,
we'll have a lot of people comingdown by. But I'd love to get
people's reaction to jd Vance and theannouncement by the former president that he's just
running sort of. We have thebig screen on. We're here and we're
in a talk show a row,but we have on the MEGGI, you

(30:07):
know, on the big screen wecan see that the convention is going on
right now. We're having great uhuh speakers tonight. Rod is a huge
moment. We have a the Teamsterleader, the president of the International Brotherhood
of Teamsters, Sean O'Brien, isspeaking at the Republican National Convention of the
Well Trump invited him. Trump said, We'd love to have you come and

(30:29):
speak, and he accepted. It'sfolks, if you if I mean,
I don't know, if you realizethat the Democrats, their lifeline for generations
have been the working people of thiscountry. And when I grew up in
Pittsburgh, you know, I wastold there's there's a difference between a union
boss and a union worker. Butthe workers are working hard and they just
need to be represented and treated fairly. Union bosses and not so much.

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But when you have the Teamsters seeingthat Donald Trump is going to bring jobs,
he's gone not going to outsource everythingout of this country, that this
global supply chain has broken and itdoes not work, and that we need
manufacturing in this country, and weneed jobs in this country. And we
don't need cheap products from China thatwe can buy. We need high paying

(31:14):
jobs and professions for so people couldfeed their families, raise their families.
Yeah, that's why I believe you'reseeing Sean O'Brien from the International Brotherhood of
Teamsters speaking tonight. And that's abig hit to Democrats. Well, it
goes right along with the theme.Now each night will be a theme here
at the convention, and tonight itis what make America wealthy again? And
we got into that VideA. Yeah, because there's been convention. How many

(31:37):
happening is going on, whether itwas what happened Saturday tempted assassination, whether
it was the dropping of the ofthe classified documents case, the dismissal of
it, or the choosing jd.Vance as the vice presidential nominee with Trump.
But today's theme, then there'll bea theme each day. As Rod,
you just point out, make Americawealthy once again? Highlighting know the

(32:00):
sky right sky high interest rates we'redealing with now, the gas prices,
we're dealing with, the unaffordable housing, we're dealing with the highest credit debt
of the consumer credit debt recorded history, the job killing regulations that this Biden
administration just foists upon the people.I mean, I really do think there's
a sense of people that feel thatthey're under siege. They're under constant siege

(32:22):
by this government and what's going onaround us. That's that's the big tackle,
that's the big lift tonight. Asyou if you watch the convention tonight,
they are going to be addressing economicissues and what a Trump presidency would
bring to address. Well, Iwill bet you you're ready for this.
Here here's the bet for the day. You're ready for this? A serving

(32:44):
of fried cheese curt which we hadlast night, which by the way,
is off. That was a hugethat was like, I like the squeaky
stuff, but fried. I thinkTrump shows up on State tonight. You
too, you too, Well,then we have got a bet. If
you're going to no, I agreewith you too. I can't. I

(33:05):
can't bet against my I I thinkyou too to show up tonight. He's
so determined to show the American peoplethat he is. He has not been
slowed down. He's not been sloweddown by an assassin's bullet. You know,
there's a story that Teddy Roosevelt gotshot and he kept giving a speech.
That's true story from what Andrew,my son Reagan told me about this.
And I said, well, youknow, the Secret Service today might
be incompetent, but they're not thatincompetent that if you get shot, you're

(33:27):
gonna let you finish the speech.At least they keep they got to take
you out of that. Well,word is that Trump want to finish.
He wanted to say something to thecrowd set er, and the secret said,
no, you gone. He said, I want to talk to my
shot, so I couldn't. Yeah. Yeah, what an unrehearsed, unplanned
moment of true leadership exhibited by edDonald Trump. All right, we are
broadcasting live from the Republican National Conventionhere Milwaukee, Wisconsin. Rodd and Greg

(33:52):
on Utah's Talk Radio one oh fivenine Canterrests sponsored by our good friends had
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farmers. But you know, wehaven't had a chance to get reaction from
our great listeners. Tonight on theVice President. I miss that too,

(34:13):
I do. We're here, We'rein Milwaukee, the greatest listening audience in
all the land. What do yousay about jd Vance? I don't have
the list in front of me.I had it prepared somewhere on this table.
But in twenty sixteen jd Vance hadsome very very critical comments to make
about Donald Trump, saying he wouldnever vote for him, saying he was
an idiot. There was a lotof venom thrown Trump's way. Yeah,

(34:37):
called him reprehensible. I think soeight years later, here we are.
So is that a guy we trust? Is that a guy that has sees
now what we did a lot ofpeople didn't see. Does it bring comfort
to those that had some concerns thatsomeone like jd Vance had concerns himself and
now is excited to be part ofthe ticket or something else. Our listeners

(34:58):
can decipher this, share their opinionstoo. So we'd love to hear from
you and your calls. Eight eighteight eighty eight five seven zero eight zero
one one. Do you need meto get it close? You're wearing glasses.
You're talking it over there on yourscreen over there. I can't see
over here. You don't let medo anything. I got no buttons depressed.
I get a reason for that.Yeah, I don't have any I

(35:21):
don't have any hands on the levers, folks, and I'm not allowed.
There's a reason for that, folks. Let me tell you what, all
right, we do want to openup the phones to you tonight and get
your thoughts on JD. Vans assome people are calling it a safe choice
for Donald Trump. You know,I like here, here's what I like
about. He's young. Yes,you know you've got Donald Trump is what
seventy seven, seventy eight years old? Nice contrast with Jadie Vance, who's

(35:44):
only thirty nine. I didn't realizehe's that young. Made his money apparently
in the high tech industry with Peterthil. His wife is an attorney.
She clerked for Brett Kavanaugh and oneother Supreme Court justice. Is it a
Chief Justice Rubbers? I think JusticeRoberts. You're right, so very accomplished
family, and I think you know, I'll be honest, I've never read

(36:06):
He'll Billy elogy, but I'm toldyou really need to to understand what Donald
Trump supporters are really all about,and that's what he's about. So the
story is really about how he grewup so poor and such a and such
a you know, a struggling area. He he lit they he did well
in school. He went to Yaleyep. But then he joined I think
he joined the Marines because of nineto eleven. He went, He went

(36:27):
and served his country. What Ilove about him as a pick is that
he is about a strong military terrilyhaving been a veteran, but he is
on to this industrial military complex andhe is not for endless wars, having
served in a war in the GulfWar. And so you have someone with
that kind of experience, who hasthat kind of critical eye to a to

(36:50):
really a military industrial complex that thatseems to keep the United States engaged,
Yeah, and unceasing conflicts. Ithink it's funny though Mike Lee may have
done a whoops the conviction. Well, they did the roll call vote,
which is specipically done what on Wednesdaynight, It's done later in the later
on done. So the roll callvote is allow each state to take to

(37:14):
the microphone from and announced that theirdelegates will support the candidate. And they
did so today for Donald drum ButMike Lee, now most people had known
this by now right, I meantext messages the announcement, but like Lee
today said, you know, formy colleague JD. Vans, who will
make a great vice president before thenews was quote made official today, but

(37:35):
I guess it was, so,you know, but it's exciting. But
we want to get your thoughts onthis. Eight eight eight five seven o
eight zero one zero eight eight eightfive seven o eight zero one zero on
your cell phone. You can giveus a call as well. All you
do is have to dial Pound twofifteen. Hey, say hey, Rod,
I'd love to get their feeling onwhat they think about JD. Vans?
Yeah, how does he help theTrump ticket? Yeah? Is this?
Is this a good pick? Didyou want Tim Scott? Did you

(37:58):
want Mark Rubio? There's a lotof names that were being thrown out there.
Who do you like? All right? Eight eight eight five seven o
eight zero one zero eight eight eightfive seven o eight zero one zero.
We're opening up calls right now onJD. Vans. But you've got an
interesting quote that is being posted onsocial media right now about all of this.
What's to say great? So beingcited from the Atlantic magazine, which

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has been a known and notorious antiTrump publication. The quote is, I
don't know that I can disrespect someonemore than JD. Vance. Mitt Romney
told me when he was running forSenate. Should we be surprised? So,
folks, if you know that MittRomney opposes JD. Vans as the

(38:43):
nominee and doesn't have any respect forhim, I think it's a grand slam.
I think we just I think wejust went with the best candidate.
Who else does Mitt Romney hate?So we know who we love? Well,
we know he doesn't like Donald Trump? Well? Nice, great,
that's a great weather van, isn'tthat? Sure? Does? All rautiful
thing? All right, let's getto your calls eight eight eight five seven

(39:04):
o eight zero one zero triple eightfive seven zero eight zero one zero or
on your cell phone. All youdo is have to dial down two fifty
and say, hey, Rod,let's go to the phones. Who do
we have? Greg? So look, we asked for your opinions, your
take on JD. Vance? Good? Bad? What say you? Let's
go to Casey in West Valley City, Casey, what thank you for joining
us on a program? Casey?What say you about this pick? JD

(39:24):
Vance vice presidential nominee? Well,I'm fine with it. Honestly, back
in twenty sixteen, I thought,you know, Trump may have been a
shield for the Obamas or the Clintons. And after just a very short period
of time, as you know,with him as our president, seeing the
leadership he exhibited and the way hehandled himself, on the way he handles

(39:47):
himself, now you know, Iwas right there with JD. And I've
been a supporter of Trump since shortlyafter he was a president in the first
time. I'm still a supporter ofhis. Uh. I really thought he
was going to go with Rod Swamy, but maybe he's just a little too
polarizing. But I really like thispick. I need to do more research

(40:09):
now on JD. Vance, Casey, What do you you know on what
you know of JD. Vans rightnow? What in your opinion does he
do for the Trump ticket and DonaldTrump trying to get back to the White
House? What does he do forfor former President Trump? To be honest,
I don't know that much about JD. Vance, But the fact that

(40:30):
Rodney hates him huge plus in hisfavor as far as I'm concerned, Casey,
from your lips to the man upstairsears, I say, I totally
agree with him, So, folks, he is, he's he I think
he came. He's only thirty nine. Has wrought his point out. So
you've got you got everyone's been talkingabout the older president. Can't you know

(40:52):
Biden's age of Trump's age. Youhave a thirty nine year old vice presidential
nominee. Is that a millennial?Is that? No? That's not?
Is it? No? I'm gengen Z. Anyway, point is this?
Well, the point is this,it is a younger generation. He
wrote a book, He'll Billy Elgy, where he came up from a very

(41:13):
poor family in a very poor,uh community, and went to went through
education, got to go to Yale, I think, and then served his
country after nine to eleven. AndI think that these life experiences he committed
to a book to really say,hey, folks, the people in America,
and it's the majority of America,you're you're marginalizing them, and you're

(41:34):
demonizing them and and and it's notright. And I think that it gave
a lot of people a better understandingand uh, even for those that are
living difficult lives that they're not alone, that this isn't just something that they're
that they're going through, that thisis what the American experience is like,
and what it's been typically been likeis it's been for the little guy.
We've been able to raise up fromwhatever circumstances we found ourselves in. And

(41:59):
I believe that's that's the America I'vegrown up in. Jd Vance really epitomizes
that for me. He's lived thatlife himself, and I think that that's
what he brings to this ticket.And that is going to matter here in
Wisconsin, in a working class statelike Wisconsin, that's going to matter in
Michigan. That's a matter in Ohio. Pennsylvania matter in Pennsylvania, It matters

(42:20):
in Utah. But I'm just sayingin country, in states like this,
where it's they're considered swing states,where they don't have to vote for the
Republican, they can vote for Democratsand Republicans, they want someone who's going
to truly represent them. Jd Vancebrings that voice in that perspective, I
think in a powerful way. Yeah, we've got some new information. I
mean, there are a lot ofunanswered questions out there tonight, Greig about
what happened on Saturday. Yes,Sam Butler Pennsylvania, and there's a report

(42:45):
out tonight, and this is evenmore disturbing, raises even more questions.
This coming tonight from the New YorkPost. A local police counter sniper terrorism
team was stationed inside the building we'reattempted assess in Thomas Crook climbed on the
roof and fired on Donald Trump.Courting to the law enforcement sources, the
building, the AGR International Factory inButler, was being used by police as

(43:09):
a watch post for snipers to scanthe threats as the former president spoke only
one hundred and thirty yards away.But the Post is reporting tonight there was
a counter sniper team inside the buildingthat he climbed the roof on. You
know, you just shake your headto face more. We got to know

(43:30):
that, I mean, CROs doesn'tdo stories. That is and where you're
hearing from the local NBC affiliate inPittsburgh, wpx I, that that he
they knew up to thirty minutes thatlong. Yeah, you know, it's
it's it's just the story doesn't getany better, does it. Yeah,
that is kind of crazy. Itcertainly is all right. More coming up,

(43:52):
Rod and Gregg broadcasting live from theRepublican National Convention here in Milwaukee.
Sponsored by No Farm Tax. Findout more about it at nofarm tax dot
org. More coming up on TheRodden Gregg Show. The convention got underway
today and it will go through Thursday, and we'll be here through Thursday,
broadcasting live. And then, ofcourse, it was Donald Trump who announced

(44:15):
today that JD. Vance, thefreshman senator from the state of Ohio,
has been selected to be his runningmate. He's thirty nine years old.
He served one year in the USSenate, but has received a lot of
praise. He was very critical ofDonald Trump several years ago, but he
has since apologized to the former presidentthat took place several years ago, and

(44:38):
has really embraced what Donald Trump istrying to do on a number of issues,
including the economy, including immigration,including the war in the Middle East,
in Ukraine. He's been very muchin line with what the former president.
And he is young, he's onlythirty nine years old, as a
wife and two young children. Hisreception today on the floor of the convention,

(45:02):
which is located just about a blockaway from where we are. We're
in the media Center. The conventiongetting underway. Greg and I. After
the show is over tonight, we'llhead over there and take part of that.
Greg is not here right now.As a matter of fact, Donald
Trump Junior has come into the hall. Greg knows him and is trying to
see if we can get the sonof the former president to join us here

(45:25):
on the show. He's attempting todo that right now. So that's why
you may not hear Greg. Now. We've opened up the phones to still
to come on the show tonight.We're hoping to talk with a former Utah
congressman and al Fox News contributor,Jason Chafitz. Jason will be here tonight
and he's got to leave tomorrow,so we're hoping to get him tonight,
and possibly Utah Senator Mike Lee.We know for sure that Tudor Dixon will

(45:50):
be joining us. Tudor Dixon,out of the state of Michigan, ran
against Gretchen Whittner at one time nowa very popular conservative podcast, Conservative Common,
and she is scheduled to join usa little bit later on. But
we want to get to your phonecalls tonight. On this selection of JD.
Van's, a lot of names weretalked about, Tim Scott, Marco

(46:10):
Rubio, Doug Burgham JD. Vancertainly the governor of Virginia. His name
came up recently, Glenn Youngkin,and the President said. The former president
said several weeks ago that he hadmade up his mind, but he wouldn't
share who that was going to be. And today, probably about midday,

(46:31):
there were rumors floating. First ofall, we heard that Marco Rubio had
been told he was not Donald Trump'sselection. Doug Burgham and Tim Scott were
told, and we were also givenindications that a very large security detail had
shown up at the home of JD. Vans in Ohio to get him here

(46:52):
to Wisconsin for the big announcement today, And that led a lot of speculation
to the fact that many of ushere in Milwaukee thought JD. Vans was
going to be his choice. Andof course it was made official on a
statement from Truth Social Jade Vans himselfwas on the convention floor a little bit
earlier. He's scheduled to address theconvention on Wednesday night, and then former

(47:15):
President Trump will make his acceptance speechon Thursday night, wrapping up the convention.
It's likely, or there's a lotof speculation tonight is and he did
this back I think it was intwenty sixteen, We'll make a surprise appearance
at the convention tonight in which hewill He can just imagine the reaction people

(47:36):
are going to have to the formerpresident coming on on the floor of the
convention or the stage, i shouldsay, at the convention tonight. As
a result of what happened Saturday inButler, Pennsylvania and the attempted assassination of
the former president, a lot ofquestions being raised out there about security.

(47:58):
There's a report today that the buildingthat in which the UH, the assassin
was on top of, there wasa security team actually inside the building during
the shooting. That is a reportcoming out tonight from the UH, from
the New York Post tonight reporting that. But there are a lot of questions

(48:19):
out there about the the UH.What happened, certainly Saturday afternoon, Saturday
evening, really late Saturday, theafternoon our time in Salt Lake, and
the attempted assassination of Donald Trump.You look at that, and you know,
many people are saying that was amiracle. If he had moved just
a centimeter, he may not bewith us here today, the President telling

(48:44):
Brett Baar on Fox News in aninterview the other day just I think it
may have been this morning or yesterdaythat at first the former president felt it
was like a beasting that hit himin the air. He he went to
his ear, pulled his hand downand realized there was blood on his hand,
and that's when he hit the deck, and that's when the Secret Service

(49:04):
jumped into action to protect the presidentand get him out of harm's way.
You know, we cannot forget thefamily of the former fire chief there in
Pennsylvania who was shot and killed duringthat during the attempted assassination on Saturday.

(49:25):
You know, he jumped on topof his family to protect his family and
in doing so took a bullet thatkilled him. And I don't think we
can forget him as well, inthe sacrifice that was made on his behalf
to protect his family. He dideverything he could do, and that's the

(49:45):
tragedy of this story. And wecannot forget that there was an American who
was lost. I think there weretwo others who were injured. I believe
are out of the hospital now.They're okay. But we cannot forget those
who were impacted by this besides theformer President Donald Trump, who, as
I mentioned, according to his family, and all the reports are he's doing

(50:06):
fine, doing very well. He'sup and about. He is in Milwaukee
tonight, and we'll be here duringthe convention and we'll be meeting with a
lot of people as he gets hismessaging together and his team together to head
into the all important election on Novemberfifth. And like I said, Greg's
not here right now. We're tryingto get a hold of Donald Trump Junior

(50:28):
to see if we get him tospend a few minutes with us here on
the rod Oarqushow. So we'll takea break and come back with more right
here on Utah's talk Radio one ohfive nine can arrests. We're live.
Like I mentioned at the Republican NationalConvention, Greg was, Greg is talking
to Don Junior right now. DonJunior came by. He's got another interview
to do, but hopefully we'll beable to and we're talking Donald Trump Junior

(50:51):
be able to talk to him sometimethis week. He indicated, he asked,
you didn'ty, Greg, He said, you here all week, and
we're here all week. I'll tellyou what, man. I was a
scrum over that too, and Igot a text from him the noon he
was close by, he'd stop,and then eight thousand people with their cameras
and then I'm being treated like I'mjust some fanboy. Now I got the

(51:12):
text right here he was in anyway, he had to be somewhere. He
said, he's going to try andmake it back to here during the week.
Folks, we want to hear fromactually listen to some of that interview.
And so this is a funny thing. I look forward to talking to
him ourselves. That family, theythere's just so much grit when something like
that happens. He said, hecalled his dad and he said, so,
how's the hair. Sorry, bloodand there you guys, there's some

(51:34):
blood and it be great for theconvention, says he like a vander Holyfield.
Now with the ear, you're missingpart of it. So, you
know, they like to give eachother a little bit of grief as a
way to kind of deal with somesome you know, an issue like that.
But but yeah, when when DonaldTrump, when Donald Trump Junior,
when Don Junior comes and I'm hopingthat he comes here. We've got to
become friends over the years, andwe have some funny stories. But but

(52:00):
that you'll see that from that family, that that's just how they deal with
a more stress and more more conflictand than anyone's ever seen. And yet
they really do handle it with agrin and a joke. You know what.
I you know what, I thinka lot of people admire about Donald
Trump and his family. He didn'thave to do this. Now. Donald
Trump had all the fame, allthe wealth, and the I mean the

(52:23):
show, the apprent. Everybody knewwho Donald Trump was even before he announced
he was running for the White Houseback in June of twenty fifteen. You
know, everybody knew the name DonaldTrump. I remember Greg back then,
when he announced he had one percentsupport in the country, the ball showed
yet one person, And when Ifirst saw it, I went, oh,

(52:45):
come on, really, Donald Trump. But as he gained momentum and
he started talking real things to realpeople, guess what, he became President
of the United States. And thisfamily, Greg has been through so much.
How would you like it if you'rea child of Donald Trump and people
are calling you Nazis, calling youa dictator, calling you hitler, finding

(53:07):
every lawsuit they can to get you. They have put this family through the
ringer so many times. I thinkthat's why people who support Donald Trump just
keep on pulling for him because theyrealize he didn't I got you could say,
well he did ask for it,No, he didn't. What he
stepped up to do was say,I think the country's in trouble, and

(53:27):
I'm going to step in and seeif I can help it. Two things.
One, you're right about the theydon't need any of this. They
don't need it. And where Ifind myself reaching out to do Donald Trump
Don Junior on text is not whenthings are going great. I mean,
I'm sure there's everybody that's congratulating allthe things go well, but there are
some really sad times where I justthank him for his family for all that
they go through. He just talkedabout his children and worried about their grandfather.

(53:52):
I mean, seeing all this inreal time, think about these as
human beings. It's some really toughthings to have to digest or live through.
And that's where I I've I've foundmyself reaching out to him in those
times, saying thank you for myfamily and for this country, for what
you're going through, because they gothrough an incredible amount. And so he
so it was interesting to hear that, and and he did say if he

(54:13):
was close by. Now he's closeBut my goodness, did you see how
ridiculous I was getting condescended by theway they weren't didn't know I was kind
of a big deal. Like Inoticed, dude, they were acting like
I was some you know, someyeah, some fanboy, just trying to
get an autograph. I was tryingto get an autograph. I got a
he texted me at noon. Yeah. Yeah. So anyway, hopefully he'll

(54:34):
be I mean, there are alot of demands on this time, and
we do understand that, but wewould love to get him on the show.
And I think it'd be great tohear from him well. And and
I know he's he's. He didn'the's. He did say, if we're
here, we're here all week.So we'll see if we can find a
time where we can get him tosit down, because I'd love for our
listeners to hear some of the thingshe spoke about. In the immediate aftermath.

(54:54):
He talked about he got angry witha reporter today. Uh huh,
and they just went right after thebabies and cages stories. Really really,
he said, you know, it'snot been forty eight hours since our family
went through this and you're gonna talkabout about that verifiably false information, and
we're pre emptying our news because wehave a very important person on the show.

(55:14):
He's a difficult he's a busy man, and it's great to have on
this show. You went before thebreak, I said, it's going to
be maybe one of these days,this guy's got to scrum around him like
you can't get anywhere close to him. But we have with us. Donald
Trump Junior, thank you so muchfor joining us. So we've known each
other since twenty sixteen. I wasa Speaker of the House. You and
Kyie were on the Dais with me. What an adventure and what a time.

(55:35):
Since then, I find myself textingyou over the years when I am
just I'm humbled and I'm grateful thatyour family is fighting this fight for us
in this country and you're going throughthings that we as Americans don't go through.
Your father and what happened on Saturday. Can you share with us just
a human element and even just thewhat kind of grit and that you have

(55:57):
to have to be sitting here todaywith all that you've lived through over the
last nine years. What was thatday like on Saturday. Uh, it
was, you know, pretty crazy. I got you know, I got
the call basically that my father hadshot, but there was no other details
and I didn't know anything for ninetyminutes. So, I mean, I
was a Saturday, I was livein Florida on the water, was you
know, took my daughter out fishing. I was, you know, like

(56:19):
but nothing like you just we haveto get in. I had to secure
my other kids. I wasn't surewhat else was going on. We know,
no one knew anything. And that'sa long ninety minutes when you don't
know, uh, you know what'sgoing on. Strangely enough, I guess
during that moment, just the adrenalinein there, right, So I was
actually fairly focused. It was justabout getting my kids figured out whatever it
is, and when when I geta call, then I'll hopefully get some
more details. And you know,finally about you know, that hour and

(56:42):
a half goes by and finally ableto get through to my father, and
I was my brother, myself,my ex wife Kimberly, my daughter Eric
Laura like like, and you know, he was actually pretty jovial. You
could see these sort of big cloudin the air, obviously, but like
he was doing good. So Ijust you just just said to him,
Man, uh, you're the biggestbad ass I've ever seen in my life.

(57:05):
I know I can say badass andYouTube you get an exception, uh
with this one. Great, Butbut I meant it, you know,
because everyone's a tough guy on theinternet, and everyone's a tough guy behind
a keyboard, especially these days.But to literally take a bullet and get
back up and raise your fist andbe defiant, to keep fighting for the
things that you believe in. Andthat's what he meant was it was so

(57:29):
you know, they've tried to bankrupthim, They've tried to take away his
businesses. When all of that failed, you know, just to get him
out of politics, they tried toimpeach him. You know. When that
failed, they wanted to throw himin jail. Uh. You know,
and with the rhetoric and by theway, the rhetoric that continues to this
day. Now, it didn't endon Saturday night. I mean, I
I dealt with that nonsense on thefloor of the convention and the yea ms

(57:52):
NBC reporter, you know, I'mthere literally We'll just walk on to the
floor. I'm throwing my father withmy brother, we're throwing him over the
delegate count to him the official nominee. And there's a reporter there from you
know, ms NBC. We callit MSDNC because it's basically what they are.
But you know, so are youbringing back the vile rhetoric of the
I go like, was that USor was that UNUS? Because you guys

(58:14):
called us traders, You called halfthe country's fascists and Nazis, and you
know, you're the ones that startedand pushed Russia collusion for three years when
you knew it was a lie,it didn't matter, Like, you know,
maybe we have to respond to that, But when someone calls you a
trader, you respond aggressively. Justlet that go, and they try to
impeach you, and it's all basedon lives, you know, you don't
just let that go. And thisguy, I mean, he lost his

(58:35):
mind. And so then you whatabout the kids in cages? They go,
you mean the Obama cages? Becauseright, I mean, and he
went crazy and like I was like, you know what, you couldn't even
wait for my father was shot.You couldn't even wait forty eight hours before
you go back doing your fake newspedaling over the narrative. They couldn't even
hold it on long. They alsobut they have nothing. When I push

(58:55):
back, it's like, of course, we know Obama started that program and
it's ten times worse under Joe Biden. The only time it wasn't as bad
was on the much of fund itbecause we actually had some control over border
and so he can't even rationalize thatin his own mind. He can't even
imagine. So, yeah, thatwas one of the you know one there
apparently, But like, you know, because I just said, you know,

(59:16):
you're, you know, a clown, you know from MSDNC, Like
that's that's all you are, andlike that's fine. I think we're used
to that at this point. Butyou know, for me, after the
week I've had, it's like Ithink I should remarkable restraints because it was
not that easy to do when whenyou're dealing with that that kind of idiocy.
I got to ask you a question. Now, when you first were
able to reach your father and askhim how he's okay, is it to

(59:37):
re asked him about his hair?I did? I said, first,
I said the bad ask him.I was laughing about that, and then
asked him about like, so how'sthe hair? Like, can we call
you Evander Holyfield because maybe some missingear? And uh so, you know,
it was just I think we allneeded a little bit of a moment
on video. And you know,I'm kind of that guy that's totally inappropriate

(59:58):
most of the time. I figured, you know, it's okay to go
there, and I think we allprobably needed it. But uh, yeah,
it was a crazy time. Whatdo you think about the JD Vance
pick? Happy? I couldn't behappier. I mean, that's that's sort
of that's been you know my guyfrom there there was there were one of
my first three choices, JD Evans, Jdvans and JD Van And so you
know his story, Uh, it'sit's a real American dream story, you

(01:00:21):
know, coming out at nothing inAppalachia and you know, becoming a successful
businessman and if you've read if youhaven't Red Hill Billyology, you should,
uh and you know, honestly,someone who likes so many others and you
didn't love my father at first.So we dealt with this a lot in
Utah. I s sixteen and weknow, like hey, but then when
he saw the policy, so likeI was wrong, and it wasn't like

(01:00:42):
it just okay, I'm okay withTrump now. It was like just admit
that you're wrong, move on,go for the policies. Ran for the
United States Senate has been an absolutechampion. Uh you know in the United
States Senate, we don't have manyof them. Unfortunately you're Mike, Mike
Lee from you. It is agreat level. We'll but to talk about
how things have changed. Like intwenty sixteen, you probably remember this,
Mike and I almost got a fistfighton the floor, like legitimately, like

(01:01:07):
you people were like whole like literallygrabbing. You were calling me as you
were flying in with your father,like to talk to Senator Hatch. We
have to find some some Congress.He was so interesting because Orn Hatch what
a great uh great guy and mayyou rest in peace because he was like
this super unlikely guy that was notonly just a Trump fan, but he

(01:01:28):
really liked me, Like he called, he'd give me like political and like
it was like it was a strangerelationship, you know what I mean,
Like this certainly Morris Demlishman, butlike I had this incredible relation with Oron
Hatch. He traveled with me,and he like like he was almost like
a mentor. But he's the onlyguy when I got brought in the first
time, I guess was Senate Intel. Uh, you know, for the
first nonsense with Russia, Russia,Russia. He's literally the only senator in

(01:01:52):
all of Congress that came in.He had nothing to do with the hearing.
But he sat in just as likea shop support. Like, so,
what an upstanding human being he was. And so, you know,
I did not like Mike Lee aswell, and I watched at that time,
but you know what, but likehe's also probably you know, other
than a JD. You know,he's probably the senator I literally text most
with you today and so it's likethey got it, like, hey,

(01:02:14):
once you deliver it, it's like, hey, I was wrong. Uh.
And so I'm super happy about JDin that position. And I think
the story is great. It's theAmerican to read the story. I think
he's certainly helpful in the electoral collegemap when you know, you got to
appeal to blue collar voters in placeslike Wisconsin and Michigan and elsewhere. Uh,
you know, And I also lovethe way he's able to sort of
articulate our message when you go intohostile territory with liberal media. He just

(01:02:37):
he does a better job than anyone. Doniel love this. We just I
just read this was sent to methat a quote from Mitt Romney. I
don't know that I could disrespect someonemore than JD. Vance. Mitt Romney
told me when he was running forSenate this from the Atlantic. So is
that is that a good greatest endorsementin the law. I know that it
causes problems in Utah, But doesMitt Romney? He doesn't. He's not

(01:03:00):
doing the you know, by beinganti conservative and anti trum and kowtowing to
the media. You know, he'supset that he blew his chance when he
had it, and he did it. Really is he let off the gas
because he wanted to try to benice, and he wanted to play the
media game, and he wanted tobe loved by those who hate him anyway,
and didn't want to deliver for hisconstituents, and he chose that path.
That's fine. Jad's the opposite ofMitt Romney. So I think that's

(01:03:21):
one of the greatest endorsements in thehistory of politics. Don I know You've
got to run your time? Istime? We appreciate it, but we
understand reported that your dad told SelenaZito that he basically tore up his speech
and he's rewriting his speech now andit will be a speech about unification,
bringing the country together. I mean, how important is that going to be
for your father to say that Thursdaynight. I think that's very important for

(01:03:44):
him. It's sort of the youknow, the leader of the party and
frankly of the movement at this point. I think it's important. You know,
I was with him on Friday,you know, the day before when
we were going through the speech lineby line. That's why I heard it,
and I have not read the fullnew speech, but I know that
it's going to be very different.So I think it's been an interesting and
honestly, I think it's I thinkit's an appropriate time for for all of
that, because you know, whatwe really needed is atop the insanity of

(01:04:06):
these radical left wing policies that havedestroyed our economy, that have pushed us
into endless wars, that have justdone so much damage to this nation and
to our standing in the world.It's time to say enough is enough to
that it is don thank you.I can't thank you to share canners.
Thank you so much for joining us. All right, Donald Trump Junior,

(01:04:29):
great to have on this show.Yeah, I mean you're a friend.
He's getting an army of people nowor after him right now, and it's
been great that he that he tookthe time and came over and talked to
it. So it's fantastic. Sowhen he said, I mean he was
being rushed out of here at ahow you we were at a break and
I and he just came right backand thanks for holding your bathroom break coming
back. I appreciate that. Justby myself, I know what to do.

(01:04:53):
Well. When I saw him aswe were, as I was headed
to outside f I heard him topeople were with him, Hey, I've
got another interview with a friend ofmine. I'm going to do that,
right, you heard I look backand he was coming over. I said,
I gotta get over here and talkto I was like, buy myself
up here. Anyway. That wasladies and gentlemen. That was Donald Trump

(01:05:15):
Junior joining us here live at theNational Republican Convention here in Milwaukee. Uh.
He we are in talk show row. All the shows that you would
imagine, all the podcasts, radioprograms, Uh and uh, and he
is as popular as you're going toget. He had told me in a
text that if he was close by, he was definitely gonna sit down with
us and Uh. At the scrum, I could not get his eye.

(01:05:38):
I couldn't get his attention to seethat, hey, we're right our radio
programs right here. But I didcatch it, and he was that he
was able to run by and sayHi, yeah, look, And I
said, though, I said,it was great when your father called on
our caucus night in March, hesays, I know, I know.
He was happy to do it.He was excited. So folks that the
Trump's know Utah, they love theydo. They love our state. And

(01:05:59):
I'm telling telling you that he hasour back. He did it when he
was president, and they continue toprioritize a show like ours, where there's
nationally syndigate shows all over this floor. He wants to come here and then
talk to you. Did he reallyalmost get in a fight with Mike Lee
back in twenty sixteen, Yeah,those guys were. It was. It
was a bit of a couple ofI don't go there because it's it's such
it's all roses now. Yeah,but it was it was something else back

(01:06:20):
then, and so sixteen was veryvery different than what we have going on
right now. Yeah, and hecouldn't say more nicer things about Mike Lee
than he just did. They arevery close now, and I know I
know that as well. Yeah,I know that they text a lot and
that they're they're close, and soit's you know, that's to wonder how

(01:06:42):
does a family go through something likethat. He's talked about how getting a
call that his father has been shot, and I think having to be sarcastic
and kind of joking in the momentis is maybe an insight that you don't
always hear about that I think maybeexplains I think he speaks to the convention
one of these nights. I thinkhiggs on the list, Cristnald Trump Junior
is and interesting that as he wasexplained to us on Friday, he was

(01:07:05):
with his dad and they were goingover his convention speech and sentenced by Yeah,
and since the attempted assassination, youknow, the president very smart,
good advisor saying you need you know, he decided to rewrite the speech.
He tore up what he had andhe's got a new speech and this one
is going to focus more on unityin America and how we need to come

(01:07:27):
together. And you know, andI looked at Don Junior space right now,
and he's still in battle mode asthe son. I got to tell
you, I just saw that inhis eyes, and it's almost like,
I don't know if I want thatunity. I'm pretty mad, especially with
that ms mv DNC guy on thefunnel floor today, just grilling him about
ridiculous things, and so he's Isee that in his eyes. But that's

(01:07:50):
that's the eyes of a son who'svery protective of his father. And but
I think that they are making theright call, that this is a unique
moment that was not scripted, thatcan allow this country to not follow a
regime media that has so for nineyears, has tried to stigmatize Donald Trump
and anyone that would support him andlet him step forward as the leader that

(01:08:12):
he is. I mean, eventhe unscripted moment when he was shot,
that he was able to let peopleknow and you heard you heard Don say
multiple times, we're going to fightfor what we believe, and we're going
to fight for what's right. That'swhat they want to twist what those words
were, but that's what he wastelling people. We're going to fight together.
We're under siege. So anyway,been great to have a conversation with
Donald Trump Junior right here on ourlive broadcast from the Republican National Convention in

(01:08:36):
Milwaukee. All right, welcome backour number three of our live broadcast today
from the Republican National Convention here inMilwaukee. It is roder Kid along with
is in Greg Hughes. Hopef youwere listening a few minutes ago. We
had a chance to sit down andchat with Donald Trump Junior for just a
minute. What a weekend that familyhas been through. You know, what's

(01:08:56):
fun about a moment like that isthat he's got a lot of a lot
of scheduled interviews. But these arenational platforms and these are other large podcasts
or syndicated programs. But we werelike, I mean, they do have,
as I said before the break,a soft spot for you toime we've
got. We've become friends since sixteenand we've stayed in touch. But to
hear just kind of maybe the humanside of finding out he's fishing, he's

(01:09:19):
out and he's with his family,and then to hear their husband chup and
not know the extent of it,or to know that if he and his
family were still in danger or ifthey're in anyway. It was something.
And then to see them joking aroundwith his dad, his dad saying,
little blood on the hair, butthat'll be ready for the convention. It's
good. We need to explain tothe listeners. When you're on a radio

(01:09:40):
row like we are, and I'vebeen on many of them more of the
years, you have radio stations fromall around the country, and you've got
now, you've got podcasts, You'vegot a lot of media here, and
you will see people come onto thefloor and they'll immediately recognize. We saw
Tommy Tubberville the Center from Alabama.We saw Don Junior. We've said Russell
Brand was here just a while ago. And when you see these people,

(01:10:02):
every radio station is trying to getthem. Yes, you know, they
say and push me around. Yeah, and they're on schedules, they have
things they have to do. Butyou saw the all right said, there
goes down Junior and you jumped rightup. You have a relationship with him,
I know you text him quite often. He takes me today to say
he he come by, and hecame by he tried to grab him.
He had another interview to go to. We understand that in this business.

(01:10:25):
But I remember saying to you,if I am saying to you, if
I can, I'll try and getto you. And and uh, and
he came through, and it wasit was a great conversation. And I
do and I again, I likethat behind the curtain, I mean,
you're going to hear a lot ofnational news about what's happening these really really
surreal last three days with all theevents that are happening. And uh and

(01:10:46):
and even he even touched on Rodthe exchange he had with that Democrat well
ms d n C reporter that thatyou know is already as everyone's talking about
simmering down, the rhetoric could nothelp but ramp it right back up with
Don Junior and talked about, youknow, his reaction to that. And
I like that he called it isas restrained as he's ever been. I

(01:11:11):
have some people here they might nothis restrained, but it probably is for
how emotional that is. Okay,we have a chance now to talk with
Utah Congrams and Jason Chafitz. Heis here. I know, I believe
he told me late last week thathe's got to get back to York,
but he's been here today and wewant to bring him on the show and
get his thoughts to all the eventsof the past seventy two hours. Jason,
Welcome to the Rod and Greg Show. We're here in Milwaukee, broadcasting

(01:11:34):
live at the Republican National Convention.What do you think about what's been going
on the last three days? Jason, Well, good to chat with you.
I'm sorry I'm not there in person. We're so close but so far
away. Give us a security profilethat amen to that man can't get from
point A to point B with Iwas going through like fifteen checkpoints. So,

(01:11:55):
I mean, we were just talkingabout this. I'm in the green
room here with Fox Dud and Ijust was on the Ingram Mangal with Laura
Ingram. I'm standing the only quietplaces right next to the freezer, which
sounds weird, but that's so.But we were just talking a few of

(01:12:15):
us about what an amazing I mean, it's hard to believe, but it
was just Saturday night that shots rangout and dal was shot, and you
know, here we are at thebeginning of the week, and I mean,
that wasn't that long ago, right, I mean, then Donald Trump
goes golfing. Now we got thestart of the r and we got a

(01:12:38):
new vice presidential pick, and it'san amazing whirlwind of the last you know,
two days or so. Jason,my question, we just had Donald
Trump Junior that was able to stopby miraculously. He told me if he
was close, he would he wasdoing something. We were able. The
lightning caught it in a bottle.He sat down with us, you know
he was. He's talking about theexchange he had with a hostile reporter on

(01:13:01):
the floor of the convention today andtalking about his father's desire to really bring
this country together and be a unifier. Do you think, given that the
media has spent nine years invested increating stigma around Donald Trump and anyone that
would support him, do you thinkthere's a chance that we can see that

(01:13:21):
the tone simmer down with the leftor do they have nothing but that to
go with? Greg? I thinkthe latter part is exactly right. I
think when you don't have issues,you just go after the other, your
opponent, You try to tear himdown. They've been trying that that Donald
Trump has send it those that goldenyou know, plated escalator. They have

(01:13:45):
tried to demonize the president, butyou get the sense and the feeling here
at the convention that the Republicans areas united as ever. Yes there's some
outliers, but I guess there alwayswill be. But yeah, the media,
it's going to go after him.Joe Biden doesn't have the cognitive capability
or physical stamina. They have gotKamala Harris, who's widely unpopular, she

(01:14:10):
hasn't done anything. And Donald Trump'smessage. You know, I'm very optimistic
because I think he has a chanceto unite the country. That was the
promise that Joe Biden he was goingto unite it, and he did exactly
the opposite. He divided us,and America wants a strong leader. And
when the President got up off theground, blood on his face, fight,

(01:14:31):
fight, fight, with the flagbehind him, it was just iconic.
And and then you add on topof this JD. Vance. You
know, if you've read the Hillbillyepigy, it's just unbelievable. It's just
it's a great American story. Andyou know, he wants to do things

(01:14:54):
they're gonna matter in people's lives,and I think people want competency and they
want they know the country's off trackand they want to get it going.
But yeah, the national media they'regoing to still try to tear him down
and tear him apart, but itdidn't get to work this time. We're
talking with you. Former Utah CongressmanJason Chaffin is now a contributor on Fox
News. Abby is standing by fora newscast. Abby, just hang on

(01:15:14):
for a minute because we have afew more questions for the congressman Jason.
I want to get your overall thoughtsthough on what does jd Vance do now
for the Donald Trump ticket. Whatdoes he bring to the ticket? I
don't know if it's something that hadneeded or a strengthening of what the message
Donald Trump leaves to the American people. What does he do for the ticket
in your opinion? Well, well, by all accounts, he is incredibly

(01:15:39):
good at messaging and communicating. I'vetalked to some senators who have said,
look behind closed doors. Jd Vancedoes not mince words. He tells it
like it is. But he's verygood in his persuasion and making a coach
and artist argument. And I thinkhe can run circles around Kamala Harris in
the contrast between the two will beincredible. His life story is amazing.

(01:16:04):
He's younger. I think that attractsa younger generation and you know, rags
to uh, you know, pullingwhat he went through and pulling himself up
by the bootstrap. I mean,that's America. And I think he's going
to offer a lot of a lotof strengths that way, and it'll expand
the base and I think excite alot of people because where he lives,

(01:16:30):
what he's gone through, how hewent through it, and he's very smart,
and he's articulated. It's exactly whatthe country needs and what and he's
very compatible with Donald Trump, andI think that's important. I don't I
don't know that that Vice President Pencewhat his art had, the relationship with
Donald Trump, and I think JD. Vance does And that's that's a that's

(01:16:50):
a sea change from where where youknow the last the first administration. Yeah,
certainly does. Jason. Like Isaid, I know your time is
busy right now, where you're preciateyou joined in US for a few minutes
and safe travels to you. Thankyou, Jason. Thanks guys, appreciate
it. Thank you all right.Jason Schaffit's former Utah congressman and now a
contributor to Fox News, joining ushere on our special broadcast from the Republican

(01:17:14):
National Convention here in Milwaukee. Bywhat an afternoon this has been here on
the Rod and Greg Show in Utah'sTalk Rady on onet oh five nine can
r s already? We've had somegreat interviews today, including our interview and
an exclusive interview with Donald Trump Juniorjust a short time ago. And that's
what you get when you're at theseconventions. I should turn you up.
Should there we go? It's okay? So you know you're you're a veteran

(01:17:40):
at this boy. You you youjumped in and was able to you were
able to talk to a couple ofpeople to bring him over. And you
saw you saw Don Jerry, whohad told me that he'd stopped buying it
if he was supposed to talk aboutyour pointed and you said, jump in
there. You told me what todo and I did. You're you're a
veteran. This you know how thisworks, you know, first convention?
Rod, Yeah, Well, we'vetalked to a lot of great people in
joining us now, another great individualher name is Tudor Dixon. Now,

(01:18:03):
if you don't know who Tutor Dixonis, she's a great lady. Right.
Yes, tried to take down GretchenWhittner in Michigan. She ran for
governor. She lost there, butshe does a very popular podcast. She
has a show now, Tutor,great to be with us tonight, Tudor,
what about this convention? What areyour thoughts so far as we're into
the first day of the RNC.Oh, it's been amazing. It's so

(01:18:25):
great to see everybody so excited tohave this VP pick finally out there.
Now we know now we can reallystart working. The work begins today,
and I think we're all excited aboutthat. Tutor, you have such a
great story. You are such astrong gubernatorial candidate in Michigan. You had
all the power players, all thepeople you would want on your side.
Great campaign. Been a thought leaderever since on on your podcast. Michigan's

(01:18:48):
a battleground state. You know thisstate very well. Tell me about a
jd Vance as a vice presidential pick, really talking about the everyday American people
who make up a majority of thiscountry. What does that mean in Michigan
For a pick like JD Vance forMichigan. I think this is very important
because this is our neighboring state,right we're border states with Ohio. So
to have somebody from the Midwest whototally understands what we go through in the

(01:19:12):
Midwest and understands the working class.I think his story is also incredibly powerful.
His story is the American dream.You go from growing up in poverty
and struggling in the Rust Belt tobecoming a senator, a United States Senator,
and now the Vice President of theUnited States. I mean, this
is the ultimate American dream. Buthe's also American America first, and that's

(01:19:34):
what we need. He can continueon the America first way and conservatism.
I mean, we've been looking forsomeone who is going to bring us back
to fiscal conservatism, but also theAmerican values that we love and protect this
country and when we talk about democracy, my goodness, we certainly do have
a fight ahead of us with theother side, and it is so important

(01:19:55):
that we have somebody that's going tobattle on for years. Well you're surprised
by the tutor or did you thinkin the back of your mind now it's
going to be JD. I don'tthink we any of us were too surprised.
Really here, Look she gave usa look like, yeah, I
knew you knew. So Look.I grew up in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.
I've lived most of my life inSalt Lake City, Utah, but I

(01:20:17):
lived in that the Appalachian Mount SouthwestPennsylvania working class community. Tell me about
this Ross belt really was never inplay for Republicans. But I just feel
like the luxury beliefs of Democrats havereally made the working class people feel like
they don't have anyone that has theirback. You as a candidate in Michigan,

(01:20:38):
jd Vance, will that resonate notjust in Michigan and in Ohio per
se, but even in a statelike Pennsylvania. And what do those voters
look like? Because jd Vance wasa little critical in twenty sixteen about Trump,
didn't have a lot of nice thingsto say. He was pretty critical,
and now he's his pick. Whatdoes that mean? Do you think
with common sense everyday people, whata perfect message right now for unity?

(01:21:01):
I mean for us to say,hey, you know what we're gonna let
bygones be got bygones and come together. My dad grew up in Pittsburgh.
Actually he's a steel He was asteel guy. I was born in Sharon,
Pennsylvania. Okay, So I thinkwe all share Midwestern values. And
having Ohio right between us like that, I think that the Midwest is really

(01:21:21):
going to say, Wow, weare being seen, we are being seen.
And I think this is what theDemocrats were trying to do. You
know, they were looking for theirpick after they already had a nominee,
you know, and they're like,how can we find someone from an area
that like a Michigan, you know, and there's just nobody like JD.
Vance. There is not They don'thave somebody on their side that understands the

(01:21:43):
American people like JD does. There'snobody out there who will be able to
fight for the people like he does. And I think that when what we
saw on Saturday, the moment wherewe saw Donald Trump's stand and say fight,
I think that was kind of amoment where we knew that next generation
was going to come into JDA Evansdudor one of seventy two hours we've had,
we had the attempted assassination, wehad, of course, the document's

(01:22:08):
case being tossed out today, you'vegot this selection of JD. Vans.
I get a sense that there hasnever been so much excitement and unity right
now within the Republican Party. Wehave seen that for a long long time.
Do you feel the same thing,absolutely, you know, this is
one of those moments where we seea tragedy that brings people together, and

(01:22:29):
certainly you never want that to happen. But we can look past in the
past at situations like this at nineto eleven, at an attempted assassination on
our former president and our next president, and say, this is the time
for us to get rid of allof these animosities, to come together,
to remember America, to remember thatfever, that excitement, that passion,

(01:22:50):
that is all American. So here'smy question, because I've been thinking about
this a lot since Saturday, becauseit does feel like things have changed,
and it's a sobering, clear obviouslysobering moment. The media spent I call
him the regime, media spent nineyears stigmatizing President Trump as a person and
any supporter who would ever support them. It was the shy Trump. But
you could almost say it out loudbecause you because it was such a stigma.

(01:23:14):
Immediately, I've seen where the medialooks at well, Trump's language was
inciting this himself, and they can't. They cannot abandon this stigmatizing that they
have been doing for so long asa nation. If they continue to do
that, does that does that bringa landslide for President Trump? Or do
we have a short memory and thatthe media and what they've done in the
past they're going to get away withgoing forward? What's your sense? I

(01:23:36):
mean, you've been in the arena, you know this. What do you
think is going to happen next?The fact that we saw Morning Joe taken
off the air? Yeah today,Yeah, yeah, they know, they
know what they've done. What anot let people forget that they know?
And that to me is critical.You are exactly right. I experienced it
in Michigan. Anybody who had hissupport and anybody who came out as a

(01:24:00):
conservative they demonized and blue and themedia is the tool that they use.
They didn't ask me for my platform, they didn't ask me what I would
do in the state of Michigan.They defined me the way they wanted to,
and then they attacked. And Ithink that the American people have seen
through it now. But it's notonly that they've seen through them attacking Donald
Trump. Look at what they did. They created a president that wasn't there.

(01:24:24):
Yeah, I be what they didwith Joe Biden is krippinov. Yeah,
and the Democrats have got to say, wow, look at the situation
where and we've known that's right andnow no bench really all right, no,
no bench because they have protected thesepeople so much. I mean,
if you look at Gretchen Whitmer,the state of Michigan is in shambles.

(01:24:45):
Her slogan when she ran in twentyeighteen was fixed the darn roads. I
won't even say it because she hasto swear every time she talks, but
that was what her slogan was.The roads are worse. Her own commission
said the roads are worse now thanwhen she took office. But the media
says, you went out and fixedthe roads. Yeah. Yeah. At
some point they have got to behonest because once these people are truly vetted,
You're right, they have no bunch. Tudor. Let me ask you

(01:25:09):
this question. This is an oddquestion, but I'll ask anyway. If
you were advising Joe Biden right now, other than telling him to get out
of the race, I mean He'sgot to walk a very difficult line because
his greg just pointed out their wholecampaign was around bashing Donald Trump, accusing
him of being a threat to democracy. Another Hitler, What advice would you
give Joe Biden right now as tohow to campaign a unification campaign. I

(01:25:32):
don't think he can do it.No, it's a very interesting question because
he has not done the things thatDonald Trump did to bring the country back
together. He doesn't have the AbrahamAccords. He didn't do anything for our
minority communities, he hasn't done anythingfor women. They have all these false
platitudes out there but no actual policies. And so he's going to have to
sit down with his policy team andsay what could we actually do to deliver

(01:25:55):
for the American people? What doesdelivering for the American people look like?
And then come out and say thisis what I want to give you.
Stop saying the other side is athreat, Stop trying to take away our
ability to campaign. Go out thereand tell us what you're gonna do,
and honestly, you can't. Can't. I think the four years of Trump
than four years of Buiden. Nevercould you have a more substant of race

(01:26:15):
Because you've never had back to backterms like you have in this race.
Compare when did we live better whenwe were safer? I mean, I
just don't even think it's a choiceat that point, right, Tutor Dixon,
thank you so much for joining uson this program. We this is
why we love being here at theconvention. An exciting time for this country.
And I keep up with good work. Thank you, Thank you,
tutor, thank you. What anice lady. Yeah, you know what

(01:26:38):
she she ran with such a strongrace. I was kind of shocked that
it wasn't closer. But you know, she mentions when we in our discussion,
you know, they the media willjust demonize you. They'll just they
they they took that stigma, youknow, stigmatizing Trump and Trump supporters,
and they just really wanted to makeanyone in Michigan only know that that she's

(01:27:00):
reported Trump, and then they wantedto then they pivoted from there that Trump
was the fascist and everything else,and that's and that's that's their technique.
Meanwhile, she is education reform.She's imagined this, ladies and gentlemen.
She's against drag shows for kids.Imagine that really, which really I guess
crazy in Michigan in twenty two.She has been for tax cuts, energy

(01:27:20):
independence, I mean, just conservativevalues, yeah, voter integrity division.
She hates mass mailing ballots, youknow, unsolicited, I mean all the
good things that that are resonating,and I think I think is starting to
grow, especially in this election,in this presidential campaign. You're these these
common sense issues are coming to theforefront. So anyway, she's good,

(01:27:42):
and she does a podcast now,and she's a thought leader, and I
think she's someone to keep watching.She she has a lot to say.
She has, all right, somefinal thoughts coming your way here at the
Republican National Convention. That Rodin gregshow continues right here on Utah's Talk Radio
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