The Rod and Greg Show: 1st Anniversary Celebration

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
That's the beginning of the Monday through Friday Extraroyd Fest.
That's right, just every single day, week three hours.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
We have request every day from the Radio Hall of
Fame for us to send them a copy of this
show because they want to they want to log it in.
Of course, one of the greatest radio shows ever.

Speaker 1 (00:19):
Ever, ever, folks ever. I mean, we're so full now.
It's it's so welcome, welcome everyone. It's it's the Rotten
Greg Show. As Rod pointed out on Utah's Talk Radio
one oh five nine k n our ass everywhere on
the iHeartRadio app. We've looked in this last year, we've
grown on a lot of like different platforms, the X
plus our X page, Rod and Greg Show. At Rod

(00:40):
and Greg Show, We've have great listeners. We've got you
know this say is what one point six one six
hundred followers. Yeah, my pay I did a page and
it's growing. It's over a thousand now run.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
And we have a new we add features all the time.
We have the new talkback feature where people can't but
they want to leave a comment, it's an easy way
to do it. So there are a lot of good
things and more good things to come.

Speaker 1 (01:03):
That's right, and so it's been a fun one year.
You know, I'm the nube, you know, I'm the I'm
the one that's the rookie, and you've been very good,
very patient, and it's been you know, I don't know
that I'm any better than I wasn't you go today,
but I'm I'm having a blast.

Speaker 2 (01:18):
Well, you know, and we need to thank our great
listeners because so many of them come up to us
or will write us a note and just say thank
you guys. You know, there's some people who ride home
with us every day for a chuckle or for maybe
some information. Actually we do get into some critical information
at times, but they're very grateful and are great advertisers
who advertise here. We appreciate their o.

Speaker 1 (01:40):
Center stages are always a blast. They're fun when we
have when we have the interviews and do the center stages.
How about the listener who cooks dinner every yeah, with us,
every with us. She never brings us anybody, she cooks
dinner with us. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:53):
So your highlight of the last year.

Speaker 1 (01:56):
Oh, you know, it just started out so great with
the National Convention, but I honestly think that that following
really this whole year. I hate to sound cop out,
but for Trump to win, because if you remember in
March you were on vacation, I was filling in and
President Trump called the show. So we got to have that. Yes,
we got to have that great intervation you in March

(02:18):
night he called you weren't here, but I was. But
we had so he takes on that he is. You know,
it's every adversity. We have assassination attempts, we have you know,
switching the Democrat candidate. We have the election, we have
the inauguration, we have the you know, the pace that
this president has had, We've had the I just think
this year. I mean, if I was ever to choose

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a year to jump into full time Monday through Friday
commentary on what's going on, what a year. It's just
from August of last year till now, it's just been
it feels like it's been a horse race.

Speaker 2 (02:53):
Well, we've talked about this a lot, Greg, I have
never seen the news cycle, and I've been doing for
a long time change so much on a daily basis,
almost an hourly basis anymore, the way it does now.
Like you and I we've said this on the show
many time. We get together. By the way, folks, little
Inside Baseball. Every morning at about eight thirty, we have

(03:14):
a quick conference call in which we talk about the
stories of the day, interviews we want to get, share
some ideas, and usually we you know, a long time ago,
you could set the show at eight o'clock or eight
thirty in the morning and rest assured everything be there
the next day you are, you know that afternoon at
four o'clock. We can't do that anymore because the news
is changing so quickly nowadays that we're constantly changing.

Speaker 1 (03:38):
And we do change, and we and sometimes we find
that we're breaking news on the program and in the
afternoon as you're going home, and really listeners aren't really
absorbing at all until they've heard it from a few
different sources. And then we see that this story is
an ongoing story. Yeah, and we'll continue to cover it
as it as it unfolds during the week. But I'm
trying to when you say, what's been your favorite part, honest, Slee,

(04:00):
This administration, the campaign, the administration, what we're seeing, I
think it's historic and it's been a lot of fun
to come and report, to decipher, to interpret what's happening.
Looking at the the Democrats and how they're responding to it. All.
The Trump derangement syndrome has been a joy to narrate.

(04:20):
I've watched it. It's just it's amazing. There's a funny
clip this morning of Trump on the roof. He's surveying
the grounds of the White House and clear he wants
to do something. I mean, he wants to build or something.
They're asking and these and someone say there's a headline
on one of the you know, one of these leftist
papers that says he's trying to distract us from some
things that are really going on. He went on the

(04:41):
roof so that we'll just talk about that instead. They
just can't get they can't get a hold of themselves.

Speaker 2 (04:47):
They can't. And then he said, today, what do you do?
What should we do? He said, put missiles on.

Speaker 1 (04:51):
The Roofless about that. It is just it's been fun.

Speaker 2 (04:58):
Just a quick highlight for me. And and this was
even before the show started, kind of the pre launch
was being in the Republican National Convention. I add that
was a that was amazing, the energy that people felt
about Donald Trump, the togetherness it was put on. I mean,
and you've brought this up before regular hard working Americans

(05:19):
were featured in that convention every night. You didn't see
that on the Democratic side, but you sure did on
the Republican.

Speaker 1 (05:26):
Side, and honestly, the Republican all both parties conventions have
always been the political class. It's always been the leaders
of respective states, particularly swing states in those elections, your governors,
your senators, just they've always come from the political class.
To see a convention that really did highlight the everyday
American in their circumstances and talk about those circumstances. It

(05:47):
had a completely different feel. Look, I mean even Haulkgan,
I mean he was he was so so I mean
that the place just came down. It was so excited.
And you know, we got we had on our studio.
We were in that talk show Rod and we're we're
shoulder to shoulder with all the national syndicated shows and
iHeart shows just a few of the local stations, very

(06:08):
successful ones to be there with the nationally syndicated ones.
And we got Donald Trump Junior to come by, but
we had our state leaders that stop by to say
hi and talk about it. I just that was one
heck of a way to begin.

Speaker 2 (06:21):
And and the night he accepted and gave his speech.
You and I were laughing because we could see the
president but also see the teleprompter, and he'd read off
the teleprompter for maybe one or two paragraphs and then
go off on some tangent for thirty minutes and then
go back to the telepri I would text.

Speaker 1 (06:39):
And when you read, when you hear him say this sentence,
that's when he's back on screen teleprompter, and it would
be a while, it'd be a wow. So it's been
great our first year anniversary. It's been fun being with
each and every one of you Monday through Friday, weekday afternoons.

Speaker 2 (06:54):
We're going to continue. So we we thank you very
much for that as we celebrate this day today. Now,
let me what we're going to be talking about on
the show today. We're on to talk about Ma'm donnie.
Yesterday got a big endorsement from Elizabeth Warren. This is
scary for the Democratic This is scary for America.

Speaker 1 (07:11):
It is it is Elizabeth Warren. She might be a center,
but she's one of these Ivory Tower academic socialist slash communists. First,
I mean, that's really where she comes from. And she's
just throwing her arms right around the men.

Speaker 2 (07:23):
Mom, Donnie, Yeah, yeah, you know. And what's frightening Greg
is they are going to use New York City, if
in fact he wins as a socialist, communist, whatever you
want to call it, experiment and to show the American
people this is the direction the country should go in.
That's what they're hoping for. If he is New York
City and we do all the crazy nut job things

(07:44):
we want to do and it works, guess what, we'll
be successful in America. Will look through that. We know
it won't work, but they're going to try.

Speaker 1 (07:51):
I actually wanted to. I actually had this devious side
of me that just the devil on one shoulder instead
of the angel, and the other was saying, give them what
they want. They deserve it, you know, I don't protect
him from themselves. Let it, let it all burn. But
the thought that that they would somehow try to show
that in a positive way, and that that could somehow
legitimize communism, slack socialism, whatever you want to call it.

(08:16):
It's you don't. I think the stakes are pretty high
in that race, and I don't want to see obviously,
we don't want to see it as or socialism spread,
but it won't be successful. I mean what he wants
to do. In fact, that that what they call the
Democrats Socialist Party of America. One of their their tenants,
one of their platform positions. Literally and I'm not kidding
this is I'm not paraphrasing. They want to rid or

(08:38):
destroy the nuclear family. They think the family is the problem.
They want the collective to raise children. They want the
collective to raise you from cradle to grave, not a family.
They don't. They think that's a financial unit. They think
it's a contrary to the socialist objectives. And it's and
they've met, and that's part of their platform, and that's

(08:58):
part of his plant. That's he is one and the
same with the Socialist Democrats of America.

Speaker 2 (09:03):
Well, when we come back, we'll talk more about that,
because a Democratic Socialist of America leader is now boasting
how much they've helped Mamdani. That's all coming up on
the one year anniversary show at the Rotic Greg Show
right here on Utah's Talk Radio one O five nine
k n RS.

Speaker 1 (09:19):
I'm citizen Greg Hughes and I'm rod Arka.

Speaker 2 (09:21):
You know what's frightening about this show? One year into it?
What people actually think. We get along.

Speaker 1 (09:26):
We do get along. Actually, some people think we fight
and they don't know that.

Speaker 2 (09:31):
We like, yeah, we kind of like just you know,
get at each other.

Speaker 1 (09:35):
Yeah, we like to do that. We tease each other.
There's it's it's done out of law. It's like it's like,
that's right.

Speaker 2 (09:43):
Beat up on each other and then your best of
buds the next second.

Speaker 1 (09:46):
Yeah. Besides, do you know how rude it would be
for me to beat up on Rod. That's like utterly abuse.
I think there's laws against that. I can't. I can't
beat up on an old person like you.

Speaker 2 (09:54):
By the way, By the way, mister Hughes, yes, as
you mentioned yesterday, it was Queen Beech's birthday.

Speaker 1 (10:02):
Yes, yes, it was. Yes, I can proudly state that
now that now that the birthdays happened. And I surprised
her because you were going to ruin the surprise by you.

Speaker 2 (10:10):
Know, yeah, but what you have surprised you with?

Speaker 1 (10:12):
Come on, it was it was. It was great. In fact,
I forgot to bring it to show you how great
it was.

Speaker 2 (10:19):
Oh, you actually got her something well the card was awesome, Well,
the card, but you also got her something else with
the card.

Speaker 1 (10:25):
Yes, it's a gift card. Folks, that is.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
Such an easy way out.

Speaker 1 (10:31):
Don't listen to on this. The Queen Bee has received
a number of gifts from me over the years. We've
married thirty one years. I think, congratulations, And so she's
a veteran at receiving gifts from me. Yes, And she
has told me gently and kindly that she really likes
the gift card. Really it creates a lot of flexibility
for her.

Speaker 2 (10:50):
And see, I think that's a cop out.

Speaker 1 (10:51):
Now, my kids they can they can roll into Trader
Joe's and get some chocolate covered you know, pretzels, and
she's weepy. She's so touched by it. My wiekie could
just like take crayon and draw a picture and she
would just she'll frame it. But me, it's a it's
a different standard, but it's a good one. It makes
you know, it works. And so we had a good, good,

(11:12):
good birthday, I believe. And so yeah, so I'm kind
of a renaissance guy, you know, kind of the softer.

Speaker 2 (11:19):
Here's here's where I feel so sorry for your wife
because she's a sweet, sweet lady. Yeah, she shares a
birthday with Barack Obama. I know, does that bother her?
You have to say that, well, does it bother her?

Speaker 1 (11:31):
You know? We we we we always bring it up
that she and a Bury Obama shared birthday. It's a
you know that that August fourth is a day that
lives in infamy in some ways with her. That's her good,
that's her special day.

Speaker 2 (11:45):
All right, let's talk about what's going on in New
York The A leader of the Democratic Socialist of America,
boasted the other day that the left wing group has
helped Zoran Mundami. He is the candidate for mayor of
New York City Radical trans Rights platform, which pledge is
that to turn the Big Apple into an l g

(12:06):
B t q I A plus sanctuary city, whatever the
heck that means.

Speaker 3 (12:10):
Well.

Speaker 2 (12:11):
Joining us on our Newsmaker line to talk more about
that is Anthony le Bruna. He is executive director of
America's Principal Project. Anthony, how are you welcome to the
Rod and Gregg Show. Thanks for joining us, Anthony.

Speaker 4 (12:22):
It's always great to be with you, guys.

Speaker 2 (12:24):
Anthony. What frightens you about Mumdani? The list must be
a mile long.

Speaker 1 (12:31):
Probably the highest, the worst, the worst worry that you
have about this guy right now, it's a mile long.

Speaker 4 (12:40):
I'll be honest with you. I'm with you guys on that. Uh.
But you know, the biggest thing that I'm identifying here
with what Mudania is doing is he's going to bird
in the City of New York and it's taxpayers with
you know, funding the socialist agenda, and it's going to
destroy the City of New York. And so you know,
one of our bekens, you know, you've got La New York.

(13:02):
It's what we're known for. They're going to cripple the
city of New York City, and they're going to cripple
the state of New York with what they're going to
do with these transgender you know, paying for all these procedures,
and they want to be the beacon for the country.
And so they are wasting taxpayer dollars to fund a

(13:25):
ninety ten issue. You know, ninety percent of people do
not support, you know, having these procedures for both miners
and adults that taxpayers don't want their tax dollars being
spell on this. So what we're going to see is
that the City of New York is going to bury
themselves in a hole that they will not be able

(13:45):
to get out of because once they enact this socialist agenda,
you're going to see even more people from the from
the City of New York flee and go to states
like Florida and Texas.

Speaker 1 (13:58):
You know, I don't know if this is just honesty
or if they just let these they're not sophisticated enough
to keep them quiet. But the Democrats Socialists of America,
they're steering committee. They got a guy, Daniel Socialism twenty
twenty five. He's quoted in the New York Post today
is saying Zorin is literally attempting to do what conservatives
say we want to do, which is provide gender affirming

(14:20):
care to anyone who wants it for free. We're going
to fly people in and pay for their hotel rooms.
He doesn't just want it for New Yorkers, He's saying
for the United States of America. The taxpayers in the
City of New York specifically, are going to pay for
chemical castration and gender changing surgical care for anyone and

(14:41):
everyone across the United States. Is he going to Is
this candidate going to own this party of his and say, yeah,
they're right, this is exactly what I want. Is this
a campaign issue.

Speaker 4 (14:53):
Obviously, it's a campaign issue. You know, this is an
issue that the Democrats have already lost on, right, you know,
and Biden and you know, Trump versus Kamala Harris, you know,
Kamala lost on this issue already. You know, it's you know,
it's us versus day them. That was Trump's whole entire
slogan in the twenty twenty four campaign. They do not

(15:15):
care to actually provide procedures and provide actual mental health
for these individuals who really do need it. You know,
would we be willing to you know, play kate and
allow for those who have eating disorders to you know,
continue to binge eat order to proceed with harming themselves.

(15:41):
We want it to allow this stuff. This is a
losing issue for Democrats. It's a ninety ten issue. We're
not talking about you know, you know, fifty to fifty
between Americans, you know, on the left and the right.
This is a ninety ten issue. People do not want
their taxpayer dollars being spent on this. And when Donnie

(16:02):
is going to run the City of New York into
the ground, he is going to bury themselves in debt.
And he's really he's really challenging the first presidency that
will not allow for this stuff to exist. You know
what we've seen in Maine, California, New York on the
women's sports stuff, including the University of Pennsylvania. They're not

(16:26):
allowing for this far left ideology to be accepted and
then paid for by taxpayer dollars. So what President Trump's
going to do is he's probably gonna.

Speaker 2 (16:35):
Pull that funding.

Speaker 4 (16:37):
New York is reliant on eight billion dollars worth of
federal funding. They really desperately need to continue to allow
the city to prosper. Without that eight billion dollars, they
will for sure suffer.

Speaker 2 (16:50):
And the President is doing just that, threatening them with
that money as they should. Anthony, thanks for a few
minutes of your time today.

Speaker 4 (16:57):
Thanks for having me.

Speaker 1 (16:58):
Guys.

Speaker 2 (16:58):
Thanks on our newsmaker line Anthony le Bruna. He is
executive director of America's principal Project. More coming up on
The Rod and Gregg Show and Talk Radio one oh
five nine k n RS. Well, you're being together.

Speaker 1 (17:11):
I know it sounds weird, it sounds it sounds so sweet.
It sounds it's sweet, all right. Yeah, time flies when
you're having fun. You did not even you did not
even know it was a year.

Speaker 2 (17:22):
No, I didn't. You didn't, Well, I knew it was
somewhere around here because it was after the Republican Nation,
the soft We did a pre launch the Republican at
the convention.

Speaker 1 (17:31):
Then I had that planned Faimly vacation and then boom,
it's been, you know, cooking with gas since August fifth
of twenty four. Pure bliss, pure bliss.

Speaker 2 (17:41):
Yeah, that's what it's been. Well, we'd like to have
some bliss on the economy. I think a lot of
people feel the economy is doing good now, but why
could it do even better if, in fact we did
something about interest rates? And let's talk about that right now.
Joining us on our Newsmaker line is Justin Haskins. He
is the director of the Socialism recar Center at the
Heartland Institute. Joining us live, Justin, how are you welcome

(18:03):
to the Rod and Gregg Showah.

Speaker 5 (18:06):
Thanks for having me, Happy anniversary, Thanks you together for
a year.

Speaker 1 (18:10):
Just thank you. Thanks. See it's very nice, Justin.

Speaker 2 (18:13):
It's very nice that he recognized, Yes, thank you, Yeah,
you're welcome. Justin. Let's talk about the interest rates, what
the economy would be doing. Jerome Powell, who apparently refuses
to budge on them. What do you make of all this?

Speaker 5 (18:25):
Justin Yeah, I mean it's pretty incredible. I don't think
most people realize it. But interest rates are still significantly
higher than they've been over the past twenty years. They're
not as high as they were in late twenty twenty three,
twenty twenty four, but they're still, you know, well over
four percent. That's just the rate imposed by the cent

(18:47):
of a reserve. But if you want to go get
a mortgage or something like that, you're going to pay
seven percent or more for a mortgage. All of this
is much much higher, more than double what we've seen
over the past twenty years from that period of time,
and it is crushing the economy right now. One of
the reasons it's so expensive to buy a house or

(19:07):
get a car is because interest rates are incredibly high.
The housing market in particular is really being hurt by this,
and rents are being driven up as well as a
result of that.

Speaker 6 (19:18):
As a downstream.

Speaker 5 (19:19):
Effect, because a lot of people don't want to sell
their home who bought a house at any point within
the last thirty years because they probably had an interest
rate much lower than what they would have to pay
if they went out and bought a new house now,
So they'd rather just sit on the house that they have,
even though the value of their house has probably skyrocketed

(19:40):
over the past five to ten years. They don't want
to go get a new mortgage for a lot more money.
So this is holding the economy back and it's completely
and utterly unnecessary. There is no reason for interest rates
to be this high. Inflation crisis is over. The inflation
rates we're seeing now are basically the same as what

(20:00):
we saw two years ago. There's been almost no increase
in inflation over that period of time. It is time
to lower the interest rates, and the fact that the
FED has not done that is catastrophics for the economy
and it could push us into a recession.

Speaker 1 (20:16):
So you know FED Chairman Powe, he keeps handring over tariffs.
But if the jobs report, whether you think the job
report numbers are accurate or not, that's actually another debate.
But a lot of those jobs are not related to
terrafs like warehousing or things that you would think it's
actually job loss in areas that the interest rate would impact,
Like how when you say housing, there are a lot

(20:37):
of jobs and a lot of subcontractors and companies involved
when you build a home, lot of a lot of
the commercial and residential construction. Those jobs, I'm the last
job report says, are the ones that are suffering because
you're not seeing to your point, you're not seeing the
activity in those areas because those interest rates stay high.
So the point, so my question is is Jermempowell creating

(21:01):
the very uncertainty or has declared uncertainty in the jobs
market or is it the job's climate because he refuses
to touch those rates. Is he just perpetuating the very
fear that he's saying is keeping him from lowering the rates.

Speaker 5 (21:16):
Yes, I think he has created conditions in which it
is far more likely that a recession is going to
soon hit because he's trying to stave off a recession
by micromanaging the economy using interest rates. And the reality
is interest rates If you look over the past fifty
years of data at the relationship between interest rates and inflation,

(21:40):
what you'll find is that there is very little correlation
between the two. Interest rates are not the primary driver
of inflation one way or the other. Deflation or inflation,
it's not the primary driver. There's a whole bunch of
other things that are much more likely to cause inflation
than the interest rates. So the idea that this is

(22:00):
by far the most important thing to keep interest rates
at relatively high levels. I mean they've been higher in
the past, you know, in the nineteen eighties and that
period of time, but for modern economy, the last twenty
thirty years, these are very high. The idea that we
need to keep it that high in order to prevent
an inflation crisis is completely unfounded.

Speaker 2 (22:21):
Justin a lot of talk about inflation. But you mentioned
a moment ago the R word or recession. What your
thoughts on that, what could happen and what could drive
us into that? What's your thinking right now on that.

Speaker 5 (22:33):
Well, I do think the interest rates are a huge
part of it, because it's really hard to finance debt
right now. And it's not just about the housing market.
We've talked about that. The housing market affects rents that
people are paying. Rents have been skyrocketing now for years.
That means people are spending more money on where they
live and they're not spending it out in the economy.
It also means businesses have to spend significantly more money

(22:57):
to get loans in order to go out and expand
their businesses, build new facilities to do things like that,
and so all of this is a huge contributing factor
to a potential recession. And frankly, we were probably due
for a recession anyway at some point in the near future.
There were signs that we were headed for a recession

(23:18):
a year ago. People are raising all these alarm bells
about the recent jobs report. If you go back a
year ago to July twenty twenty four, the unemployment rate
at that point in time was zero point seven percentage
points higher than what it had been the year before,
so employment that we've seen almost no difference in the

(23:41):
unemployment rate over the past year, but a year ago
unemployment had been going up pretty significantly. So we've been
headed toward a recession for a while. And I think
Jerome Powell is making that even more likely to occur
while the Trump administration is trying to prevent it from happening.

Speaker 2 (23:56):
That's frightening to think about. Justin has always great to
have you on the show. Thank you you and enjoy
the rest of the day.

Speaker 4 (24:02):
Thanks guys, Thank you.

Speaker 2 (24:03):
Justin Haskins. He's with the Heartland Institute talking about the
economy and Jerome Powell and holding, you know, keeping interest
rates high. I mean, what would happen to this economy
if they lowered him?

Speaker 1 (24:13):
Yeah, I don't think we're going to go into recession.
I think I just too much enthusiasm, and I think
consumer attitudes and optimism actually play into that. And I
think that people are bullish anyway. So I do I
agree with everything he says, except for I don't. I
don't believe even with the malfeasance of Jerome Powell, we're
going to see your recession.

Speaker 2 (24:32):
All right, Moore, coming up the Rod and Greg Show
with you on this Tuesday afternoon right here on Utah's
Talk Radio one O five nine KNRS. I'm citizen Greg Hughes,
and I'm right our kid. We're in the fast line
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Speaker 1 (25:09):
I'm so user friendly. You've got three seconds to get ready,
then it counts down your time while you're giving your take.
So and we love hearing them.

Speaker 2 (25:16):
Yeah, yeah, some good news. Remember does the name Mark
McCloskey ring a bell to you?

Speaker 7 (25:22):
No?

Speaker 2 (25:23):
It doesn't, No, okay. Back in twenty twenty, McCloskey and
his wife Patricia went viral on the media after he
is in ar fifteen on his porch alongside his pistol
packing wife, which I loved, as a large group of
Black Lives Matter protesters demonstrated down their private street remember

(25:44):
that picture, And she's up there, and they were just demonstrated.

Speaker 1 (25:47):
They were destroying property until they got to these two.
And these two all of a sudden, the Black Lives
Matter mob decided, I don't know that we're going to
harm this home. We're going to keep moving on.

Speaker 2 (25:57):
Well, it only took three lawsuits and two trips to
the Court of Appeals and one eight and forty seven days.
But guess what, Mark McCloskey has gotten his AR fifteen back.

Speaker 6 (26:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (26:10):
Really they I mean they went They made them out
to be lunatics when they were not. They were defending
their home their defense, which they have a right to do. Yeah.
So I saw that, and I was actually very happy
to see that that As this pendulum is turning back
to common sense, this couple who were defending their home
rightfully finally could could see normalcy again. So good for them.

Speaker 2 (26:32):
Well, I mean, think about this, greg An AR fifteen
I think costs what about one thousand to fifteen hundred dollars.
I'm not sure it is what I've seen before. They
haven't been in the market, so yeah, you have neither
of I but how much money he spent to get
it back?

Speaker 1 (26:47):
Right?

Speaker 2 (26:47):
Ten times more than that's the principle of it. Yeah,
but it's the principle. I mean, good luck. Congratulations, zam. Yeah,
he's got his AR fifteen back, Mark McCloskey. Pretty good.

Speaker 1 (26:56):
If they didn't do it, the damage to their home
would have been in excess of whatever they paid. I'm
telling you, because they were destroying a lot of property
back there.

Speaker 2 (27:03):
Yeah. Yeah, helicopter parenting. By the way, just got a
new hardware upgrade. Sketchers and I wear Sketchers. I like
the slip on shoes. I know you're gonna say they're
old man's shoes, but they're very comfortable.

Speaker 1 (27:16):
You really do I know. I thought you had a
better taste in shoes than that sketch. Are you wearing
them now?

Speaker 2 (27:21):
No, I'm not wearing them now.

Speaker 1 (27:23):
No, what are you wearing now?

Speaker 2 (27:25):
I think they're niked no under armour shoes.

Speaker 1 (27:27):
Okay, yeah, yeah, I ever seeing those nerdy Sketchers.

Speaker 2 (27:30):
You've seen me wearing. You have a pair?

Speaker 1 (27:32):
I do not have a pair of You are lying
to this audience and they deserve.

Speaker 2 (27:36):
Do you have a pair of slip on shoes? Yes,
they're not Sketchers. Okay, Well I have Sketchers and I
like them.

Speaker 1 (27:43):
I wouldn't brag them, but I wouldn't say it out loud.

Speaker 2 (27:45):
Well, apparently they have now launched a new kids sneaker.
It's called find My Sketchers, with a covert feature in
it that's raising eyebrows. A hidden compartment under the soul
tailor made for an Apple air tag.

Speaker 1 (28:03):
If you're going to do that, you don't want to
really publicize it because we just repeated it. Kid knows.

Speaker 2 (28:08):
Yeah, Mom and Dad are tracking you.

Speaker 1 (28:10):
But you know, only old people like you like the sketches,
so maybe it's maybe it's attract the the uh yes.

Speaker 2 (28:17):
To make sure you are check my drooling in water.
You have sat there and bragged to me you wish
you had a pair of my sketchers. You you love these.
I've told you they're comfortable, and you've sat there and said,
nice shoes.

Speaker 1 (28:31):
No, I I know what shoes you were. I like,
I mean you actually you are a stylish guy, like
you have good sunglasses and you got good choices closed.
I like your golf shirts. I think they're kind of cool.
But you put the sketchers on that, that's a that's
a wardrobe bomb. They're ruined it.

Speaker 2 (28:48):
Thank you all right? Coming up our number two Caitlyn Clark,
the w n B A and racism. Yeah, there we come.
We'll get into this with you. Coming up next, stay
with us for show.

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We played the song again, I think appropriate.

Speaker 2 (29:03):
Very here it is, got.

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You Ama, happy, busy baby, got.

Speaker 2 (29:16):
You Ama.

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Well.

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Today, by the way, marks the one year anniversary of
the launch of the rotting right show. You're you're boogying over.

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There, you're doing I remember this song. I don't know
where this came out, but I remember this song. My
mother used to love the disco music.

Speaker 2 (29:35):
This little River bandy. One year ago today we launched
this show. We did. We did kind of a pre
launch during the Republican National Convention. But then you took
a break, you went on a vacation, came back when
we launched the show.

Speaker 1 (29:47):
Monday through Friday.

Speaker 2 (29:48):
Yeah, Monday through Friday.

Speaker 1 (29:50):
It's it's been a lot of fun.

Speaker 8 (29:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (29:52):
And you don't now you accused me of taking a
lot of vacation. Yes, yeah, yeah, you don't.

Speaker 1 (29:59):
I don't.

Speaker 2 (29:59):
You're you're pretty much dedicated to this show.

Speaker 1 (30:01):
I am. I love it here. I don't want to
I never want to go, you know. I And again,
when we started this show, there was there was some
talk that you were, you know, because of your advanced age,
you were looking to retire. But now you're in for
the long haul. It's been you'r you look younger, you
act younger, you seem younger. I think it's been. You're in.
Other words, you're welcome.

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You're you're saying you deserve it.

Speaker 1 (30:24):
Yes, makok you breathe life back into your Rochie. It's
your second wind. It's your second it's it's the it's
the next Uh.

Speaker 2 (30:34):
I thought you were about to say you're the wind
beneath my wing.

Speaker 1 (30:36):
Well that too, you know, I'm the hand that I
am Goose, you are you know Mavericks. But but yeah,
you this is the the you know, the next act.
It's not even a it's not a landing the plane thing,
it's a you got a whole new gig. It's been
wonderful a year.

Speaker 2 (30:51):
And we appreciate all your great listeners out there as
you're driving home tonight taking a listen to it. Sorry,
there was a a story today greg in the Wall
Street Journal, and they've talked about what's going on in
the WNBA and Caitlin Clark.

Speaker 1 (31:06):
Yes, who is the star of that league, no doubt
about that.

Speaker 2 (31:09):
Right, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (31:10):
And if you think that's too maybe that's overstated, which
I don't think it is. Minimally, she is one of
the top stars. And that the NBA, it's prospects, its viewers,
its value of franchises have gone nothing but straight up
since she's entered that the WNBA. You can say that
because that's just Matt. That is a fact.

Speaker 2 (31:31):
Yeah, that is fact. Well, think about in other professional leagues, Greg,
there are certain players who are the fates of that
league who get protected. Would you agree. I mean Tom
Brady got a lot of protection.

Speaker 1 (31:44):
He sure did, he sure did. And look even Michael Jordan.
I mean Michael Jordan, one of the greatest players of
all time. But you know, they made sure that he
was kind of the brand and they looked after him.
But you know, in addition to that, though, there's that
you look after your marquee players. But even the other
players knew that their salaries and that they're the popularity
of their sport, they could attribute it to those those goats,

(32:07):
those stars. Yeah, not in the MWNBA. It is some
bizarre things happening in that league that I I mean,
it's hard to understand.

Speaker 2 (32:16):
Well, and you and I aren't big fans of the WNB.
I I don't think I've watched forty seconds of a game.

Speaker 9 (32:22):
No.

Speaker 2 (32:23):
Yeah, I mean they had they had a team here
five six years ago now is it that long ago?
But they didn't make it and they left. But there
are there some other teams around the country that tend
to be pretty successful.

Speaker 1 (32:34):
My take is that if you girls should watch not WNBA,
that's their sport, why do I have to watch it?
It's a WNBA. Women should watch the WNBA, that's their sport.

Speaker 2 (32:44):
Yeah's not on me. Okay, Well, would you like to
know her impact on the league. Yeah, listen to some
of these numbers. Greg Merchandise sales swored six hundred and
one percent when she came into the league, So zero
six hundred six one percent. Okay. Indiana Fever, the team

(33:04):
she played for, viewership jumped one hundred and seventy percent.
Team value has tripled. You were bringing up one guy
just paid, but maybe.

Speaker 1 (33:17):
It's at least one hundred million for ANAWNBA franchise when
the last one that's sold sold for ten million dollars. Yeah,
and this one is in the it's in the one.

Speaker 2 (33:25):
Hundred hundred three hundred million.

Speaker 1 (33:27):
Yeah, it's it's north of one hundred million. I just
don't know the number, but I'm all I know is
that the other one was ten and this one's is
north of one hundred million. That is, you know, that's
that's that should be a good sign and they should
appreciate whatever's going on. When I say they, I mean
the players should love what's happening with their league right now.

Speaker 2 (33:45):
Well, the league this article in this opinion piece and
the Wall Street Journal says the league, if they aren't
going to protect her, then maybe the federal government should
get involved and investigate if there's a civil rights violation
going on here.

Speaker 1 (34:00):
So it's it brings up an interesting point because if
you watch hockey, you're two grown men are not allowed
to punch each other in the face. It's actually an assault. Okay,
there's it's it's not legal.

Speaker 2 (34:09):
It is.

Speaker 1 (34:09):
But if you're playing hockey, you guys they can drop
their gloves and they can go for it and there's
no crime that's been committed. I saw once on a
Steeler game where Mason Rudolph, who was the player Miles
Garrett from the Browns ripped the quarter our quarter and
hit him over the head with his own helm. I
remember that to me, that crossed the line. That wasn't
a foul penalty. That was a crime I thought that

(34:30):
committed against that player. When you get to Caitlyn Clark,
this is that this isn't an incident, This is an
ongoing uh confrontation, physical confrontation against her all the time.
It happens all the time, and they even comment even that,
the players even comment that they don't like her because
she's white.

Speaker 2 (34:49):
Yeah. Yeah, well here's the thing. One of the players,
this is a most valuable player for the Las vegast
Aces said that race is a huge thing involving Kinglin Clark.
It boils my blood when people say it's not about race,
because it is. I think it is about race. I
think there's also a high degree of jealousy involved in

(35:11):
all of this. I mean, these players have been playing.
How long has league been? Around?

Speaker 3 (35:15):
Eight?

Speaker 2 (35:15):
Ten years? Maybe longer than that? Is it longer than that?
Never got any recognition. A white player shows up and
look at the numbers all of us.

Speaker 1 (35:24):
And here's the thing. She's white. That's that's okay. But
she was I think she has that record for the
highest she's the highest scoring college women's basketball player in history.

Speaker 2 (35:33):
Didn't she beat pistol Pete Marivitch college record? I thought
something like that.

Speaker 1 (35:37):
She set records in college that put her in a
different class of player and in her the color of
her skin is not why, and it's it isn't the conversation.
It's that she is a phenomenal basketball player and she's
made that league, which no one even cared about her
thought about before, and it's more of a success. It's

(35:58):
not the color. But boy, those players they go after
her and they do talk about her being white a lot.

Speaker 2 (36:05):
Yeah. Well, a systemic miscalls this article points out includes
viral replays a miss Clark being fouled multiple times in
a single possession. Rebecca Logo. Rebecca Lobo, who's an analyst,
says every single one of them is a foul, yet
they don't get called. Clark has absorbed seventeen percent of

(36:27):
flagrant fouls last season, double her peers rate. Seventy percent
of the flagrant fowls in the league were committed against
Caitlin Clark.

Speaker 1 (36:38):
And here's where this wouldn't happen if she had teammates
that were going to stick up for and not let
it happen. I mean, they are not in that league.
For her to have that high of a percentage of
flagrant fouls of all those that are committed in that league,
and her to be a start and to have that many,
it means that she doesn't have a team or players

(36:58):
around her that are willing to go after the other
team when they do it. Yeah, because I don't care
what the sport is, Baseball, football, hockey, you name it,
you go after them. They come after you. You hit a
pitcher hits a batter, Guaranteed the next the batter on
the next team, when it's their turn, they're gonna get hit.
If they felt like it was it was done on purpose.
If it's a wild pitch, that's one thing. But if

(37:18):
they felt like it was on purpose, they threw too
close inside and they hit their player. When they their
pitcher gets up, they got they got a batter that's
going to get hit.

Speaker 2 (37:27):
Well, what do you think would happen in baseball today
if someone threw it Aaron Judge's head or Otani's head, Yeah,
it'd be a bench clearing brawl. If you brought up hockey.
You know in hockey, Greg that they have enforcers on
a team. A star player, let's say Sid Crosby, okay,
gets a cheap foul or a cheap hit against him.
Bright Yep, you can't tell me that the bruiser on

(37:49):
the team is not coming out and going after that guy.
Data They protect their star players. So my question is, Greg,
why does the NBA not protect Caitlin Clark? Why not
with the amount of value she brings to that league? Yeah,
it's I mean, do they like it because it creates interest?
They want to see who's the player? Angela Reachs and
her have been going back and forth ever since college.

(38:11):
Do they want to see that even if it leads
to her getting hurt?

Speaker 1 (38:14):
So a player and her name? So this is how
little anybody knows about the w NBA. I think I can't.
I think it was Shane Gillis, the comedian, was hosting
the SPECS was it the SPC, whatever was He says,
ladies and gentlemen, the leading scorer of the w NBA,
please stand, and he says the name, and she stands up,
and she weighs, and everybody applause. He goes, actually, she
doesn't play for the w NBA. But I knew that

(38:35):
nobody in this room would know.

Speaker 2 (38:37):
Who's a good joke they are?

Speaker 1 (38:39):
And so and it was a good joke. He was
his friend's wife who he asked to stand up and
said that. But that demonstrates that no one really knows
a whole lot about this league, but there's some interest,
in some curiosity.

Speaker 2 (38:50):
You have one.

Speaker 1 (38:51):
Player that she she's coming forward finally and saying I'm
sick of seeing her attacked and hit and and fouled
ass and it's and it's done in malice. This is
not this is not even as this, you know, being
overly competitive there after her and she's come forward and complained.
I don't know how long she puts up with it,
because she's become kind of an apology. She's like, I'm sorry,

(39:13):
I'm white. Literally, I mean, she should never apologize for
being she. I don't know what more she could do.
She's actually saying things that I don't even approve of,
trying to lower the temperature in that. You know, with
these teams, it doesn't work. It doesn't work. And if
you listen to Charles Barkley or anyone talk about who
do you appreciate in the NBA, they will point to
those players who took the NBA, their ratings, their popularity

(39:38):
because of how good they were to the next level
of which a guy like Charles Barkley will tell you
my sound my contract was higher because of that player,
because I will always be I will always respect Michael
Jordan because of what he did for this league. And
Larry Bird. We always they always respect Larry Bird because
that's what he did. Magic Johnson the same. So players

(39:58):
in different profession sports, they recognize those icons within their sport.
They appreciate it because it does bring popularity. But not
the WNBA.

Speaker 2 (40:06):
No listen to how this The gentleman who wrote this
article ended his article any spot on Caitlin Clark has
already done more for women's basketball than most athletes do
for their sport in a lifetime. And she's only been
in the league what two or three years now. She
brought new fans, new sponsors, and unprecedented visibility to her

(40:28):
league in Peers. None of that will laugh if, at last,
if the reward for excellence is physical targeting and institutional neglect,
if the WNBA won't act, Washington must.

Speaker 1 (40:41):
I do think it's a crime. I do think it
goes past hard files and things and start, and once
it becomes that systemic and that predictable, it is a crime.
I agree.

Speaker 2 (40:51):
Yeah, all right, we want to get your thoughts on that.
Eight eight eight five seven eight zero one zero triple
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Speaker 1 (41:05):
I am citizen Greg Hughes.

Speaker 2 (41:07):
And I'm Rod Arkent. Great to be with you if
you're just joining us now. We're getting your thoughts on
what the NBA and what they're doing to Caitlin Clark.
I mean, she is seventeen percent of the flagrant fouls
in that league were called because of someone going after
Caitlyn Clark, and she means so much to that league.
Yet the league is really doing nothing to protect her,

(41:30):
and should they be article in the Wall Street Journal
said today if they If the league doesn't do something,
the federal government should do something about it, maybe an investigation.
We want to get your reaction to it. Eight eight
eight five seven eight zero one zero or on your
cell phone dal pound two to fifteen, say hey, Ron.

Speaker 1 (41:48):
Let's go to the phones. Let's go to Skip an
Eagle Mountain Skip. Thank you for holding. Welcome to the
Rod and Gregg Show.

Speaker 7 (41:56):
Can you hear me?

Speaker 1 (41:58):
Yes? Welcome?

Speaker 7 (41:59):
Hello? Okay, So I spent twenty over twenty five years
in the army, and I don't know that it's strictly
about racism. One of my observations was the most vicious
people I ever worked with were females. They were jealous
of another female success. They constantly would tear each other down.

(42:20):
And I don't understand that mindset. And so we had
somebody who was going to get a promotion and award
things like this, even though it may have been well deserved,
the other females would like they would undermine it. They
would try and to attack things like this. I don't
understand that about about that culture. But it wasn't limited

(42:44):
to racial use.

Speaker 6 (42:46):
It was just you know.

Speaker 7 (42:48):
So that's that's my observation after working with a lot
of them, and I was I was wondering if that
is true in other professions.

Speaker 1 (42:59):
So thanks for calls.

Speaker 2 (43:00):
Thank you. In a really good point, really good point.

Speaker 1 (43:03):
First, she had that movie Mean Girls. Okay, because mean Girls,
I mean girls are just tough on each other.

Speaker 2 (43:08):
They are they are.

Speaker 1 (43:08):
And I have heard from you know, when I've worked
with women in different arenas, different field, different work I
have there, I have heard that observation that women are
toughest on each other, uh in the workplace, that they are.
There's a it's a bit of a it's a little
master here, and I look, I I've seen I think
I've seen that. You know, I don't want to stereotype

(43:30):
or anything like that, but I think skips onto something
that that women don't. I think that again, I don't
like speaking for women. This is just a trap. I
shouldn't even do it. I would just say about as
about as you know, as objectively as I can and
my power within my powers of observation. I have seen

(43:51):
a lot of contention between women at the workplace, more
than I have seen that necessarily on just gender between
mean two men and I what's in other words, what
Skiff says resonates with with what I've or reflects what
I've seen myself.

Speaker 2 (44:07):
Well, and I go back to the Caitlin Clark situation, then, Greg,
what you brought up? Is it racism or is it jealousy?

Speaker 1 (44:16):
I you know what I think, honestly, I think it's
there's they bring up races, the m the w n
b A. Players that don't like Caitlyn Clark Clark have
brought up racism they or they have brought up they
have they have brought this up. There is absolutely I
think also a jealousy to it in terms of she
is such a dominant player and it doesn't go over well,
and so they get they get pretty hostile about that.

(44:38):
What I don't understand is if I'm we talked at
the break, I said this, if I own that w
NBA team, and I'm the owner of that team, the coaches,
the assistant coaches, and the players better protect every single
one of the players on that court at all times.
Or you can forget me right in the check this
week for all of your salaries. Because I don't own
a team if I don't have players that can play,

(45:00):
and I'm not watching a bunch of players stand by
idly while one player gets targeted and physically harmed. And
she happens to be your best player. But even if
she wasn't, that team should be defending their own teammates,
all of their teammates. That's what a team does. That's sports.
That's and if I were the owner of that team,
it's pathetic that the Wall Street Journal has to even

(45:21):
write an article that would say, does this take intervention
from government federal law enforcement because of how she's being
attacked and assaulted? Where is the owner of that team?
If not the league, if not the people that want
to see the league be successful, just the owner of
that team. This should be a non starter. This should
be an absolute rule within that organization that you look

(45:44):
out for each other and a story.

Speaker 2 (45:46):
Well, let me go, let me let me expand this
out a little bit more greg What about what happened
in Cincinnati and the brawl that happened in Cincinnati. Where
is the discussion of racism in that city. Yeah, there
isn't one right now now because you had primarily black
young men. Why I won't even call them young men.
Those who have been arrested are in their thirties attacking

(46:08):
white people, abandoned a woman, poor woman is you know,
she she's finally spoken, but she's got some challenges. Where
is that discussion taking place? What if, in fact, Caitlyn
Clark was a black woman in a predominantly white league
in the league was picking on her, what kind of
coverage would that be getting?

Speaker 1 (46:27):
Oh a lot, Yeah, it would. It would. It would
look a lot like my trip to DC. The apologists
and the and the extreme uh, you know, dividing of
us by our color, it's all we would do. Yeah,
But when we see it, the other when we when
you see someone like Kaitlyn Clark treated the way she does,
and the stats don't lie in terms of how she's
being no hardou flavorant files. There is something that needs

(46:48):
to be done without regard to race color. There should
be something done about that period. But these players keep
bringing up the race and that's that's the that's the problem.
And then you go to the Cincinnati issue, and they've
got a big problem on their hands in that city,
and they want to they want to keep talking about
other things, but they've got a huge problem.

Speaker 2 (47:09):
I was watching a video of a guy who loves
that city, loves Cincinnati, never been there, don't know what
it's like. He's walking down you know, downtown streets in Cincinnati.
Store closed, store closed, store closed, one store after another.
He says, what has happened to my city? Yeah, well, shan,
that's where that's where people are just.

Speaker 1 (47:28):
Showing a Democrat run urban, major metropolitan area in America
that isn't assess Pool, show me. I want to see
where they I want to see them, and I'm not
saying they don't exist, but it certainly isn't Salt Lake City.
This place is a disaster I mean, you have you
have all this, You have hundreds of millions of dollars
of development happening in a city where it's being literally

(47:48):
burned down and torn down in the same exact city block.
I mean, it is beyond the pale. And show me
a city where the Democrats don't run it, where it's
actually thriving and doing well and working.

Speaker 2 (47:59):
All right, we want to get to you or your
calls are coming in eight eight eight five seven eight
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All right, so we go right to the phones. We're
talking about Caitlyn Clark or treatment by the WNBA article
today and the Wall Street Journal said maybe it's time

(48:20):
for the federal government to step in. What do you
make of this? What do you think about Caitlyn Clark
and the WNBA and what's going on with her right now?

Speaker 1 (48:28):
It doesn't follow the line of professional sports in terms
of iconic players that make their leagues and more popular.
Doesn't It's going to the complete opposite way. Let's listen,
let's find out what our listeners think. Let's go to
Brad in Pleasant View. Brad, thank you for holding. Welcome
to the Rotting Greg Show.

Speaker 9 (48:44):
I appreciate it.

Speaker 2 (48:45):
Guys.

Speaker 9 (48:45):
Hey, just two quick comments. The first one is a
follow up. You guys did an article the other segment
the other day on bikes. Yes, yes, if Greg was
able to get a real man bike.

Speaker 10 (49:00):
That he did and got it going, did it make
that wass?

Speaker 1 (49:05):
Did you already say this because I've been accused this
multiple times, but I have touched a raw nerve with
his bicycle thing online.

Speaker 2 (49:11):
Well, the bike.

Speaker 1 (49:12):
I don't get on a bicycle, but you're right, it's
well served. A good point, sir, Good point, I am.
I've been complaining and whining about the bicycles. Yes, so
thank you for noticing. Next point, A.

Speaker 9 (49:26):
Quick question now one of the books. I love the book.

Speaker 10 (49:30):
The obstacle is the way I haven't seen everything that's
going on and the hard fouls that this Caitlin Clark
has been getting. If it's super hard, yeah, I think
someone needs to step in, hopefully the league. I think
the government needs to stay out of it. Yes, but
I think you see some of the greatest players in
the world.

Speaker 9 (49:48):
They had some of the greatest opposition to him, and
that's what made them great down the road. So like that, Yeah,
I think for the most part, I think the government
needs to stay out of it. The league needs to
up and do what they should be doing to protect
the league. The whole league's better because of her, and
the ladies are going to get paid more money because
of her. So you better take care of those most

(50:11):
important assets.

Speaker 2 (50:12):
Yeah, you're you're right, Brad. And you know she has
tried to stay above the fray, she said very as
I recall very little about what's going on here. She
has just tried to play harder. She'll she'll let the
refs know when she thinks she's she tries to give
it back a little bit. She tries to give it back,
so she's fighting. So I respect her for trying to
stay above the fray.

Speaker 1 (50:32):
It's true. I just think that at some point, and again,
I there's a lot of places that you could look
to get this be to be calm down and be
more professional, but the team and its players and its
coaches and assistant coaches for Indianapolis that they should be
united in one front and I don't think that's the case, right,
I don't think you'd see as many flagrant through her

(50:54):
getting that if there was an immediate consequence for the
opposing team. Let's go to a neighbor in Tuilla, very
very mysterious, mister neighbor and Tuilla, Welcome to the Ronn
and Greg Show.

Speaker 7 (51:10):
I think if they gave everybody a pair of roller skates,
he would be roller Derby days.

Speaker 1 (51:17):
You know he's He's right. I think, yeah, you're right.

Speaker 3 (51:21):
I think that's what they're selling.

Speaker 2 (51:23):
I could be, could be. I mean, did you ever
watch roller Derby?

Speaker 1 (51:27):
Well, yes I did. I mean it was really young.
I mean you have been my age when you saw,
but I was a little kid. But no, they boy,
the elbows are flying.

Speaker 2 (51:36):
You watched it.

Speaker 1 (51:37):
It is a very rough sport.

Speaker 2 (51:38):
And they try and bring him back a few years
ago and it failed.

Speaker 1 (51:41):
Yeah, I think so. But but the women's roller Derbry
that was. That was some tough stuff.

Speaker 2 (51:45):
I think you can take.

Speaker 1 (51:46):
Remember, you could take him and you could swing them
for it. You take your teammate and you make faster.
It's like a slingshot. You take him in. They go
faster and ram into the other player and knock him
off the ring.

Speaker 2 (51:59):
It's pretty good, you don't he may he may have
a point. The w n b A may like this
because it's getting them a lot of attention.

Speaker 1 (52:05):
Maybe that's what the attention is.

Speaker 2 (52:07):
Sad, but maybe that's what they'll I'll tell you.

Speaker 1 (52:10):
You know, accidents happen in sports. I like the Brad's
take that you know a lot of because Jordan used
to get beat to a pulp by the Detroit Pistons.
They would beat Bill Lambier and even yeah they would
beat that team would just they were super Yeah, they
were super physical on the bulls any team they faced.

(52:30):
So a lot of those great players did receive a
lot of adversity. But I think this is this The
statistics show this to be very different than than maybe
those other stars of other professional sports.

Speaker 2 (52:40):
All right, let's go to our talk back line and
see what this listener has to say. Hey, Ron and Greg,
happy anniversary.

Speaker 11 (52:47):
So to keep it short and concise, I think it
has to do with the nature.

Speaker 2 (52:51):
Of the beast. With the w n b A and
Caitlyn Clark, Yeah.

Speaker 11 (52:55):
There's racism there and stuff, but the nature of man
is to like form a hierarchy, and you know, we
congratulate and defend each other. Women tend to trying to
be equal, and they'll tear down anybody who is above
the rest. Like think about what women do to the
prettiest girl on the block.

Speaker 2 (53:14):
Yeah, what women do to the prettiest girl on the block.

Speaker 1 (53:17):
Makes a good point, by the way, we didn't cut
him off thirty second time going to but he was.
But if you finish the word, he's say, prettiest girl
on the block. It is true. That's they made a
movie called mean there. I think there's been two movies,
Mean Girls and Mean Girls too.

Speaker 2 (53:31):
You've never seen them.

Speaker 1 (53:32):
And it's based on that very premise that they're mean
to each other. Is that Lindsay Lohand I think I
don't know.

Speaker 2 (53:38):
Is she in the first one? I think I don't remember.

Speaker 1 (53:40):
I just remember that this is one of those, you know,
young ladies that they're very competitive, very mean to others.

Speaker 2 (53:46):
Are women tougher on women than men are on men?

Speaker 1 (53:50):
I think so? I do. I think it's a I
think it's a tougher, tougher.

Speaker 2 (53:55):
And maybe that's what's taking place in the w NBA.

Speaker 1 (53:58):
Yeah, atree, if they said yeah, if they would just
leave the color alone. They're the ones that are buying,
talking and promoting this identity politics stuff. It's the players themselves.
If they would just walk stop doing that, we could
give the benefit of the doubt. It's hard to give
that benefit of the doubt that it's more in their

(54:18):
nature or more in you know, just human nature when
they keep bringing up race, Well, I just that's that is,
that's playing a larger role when it should play no
role whatsoever.

Speaker 2 (54:29):
Well, I'm wondering now if the league has allowed this
to happen so much, Greg and like I said, she
gets seventeen percent of the flagrant fouls in the league
right now, if the league has allowed this to happen
because they know it is going to attract more viewers.
You know, Caitlyn Clark is playing tonight, Let's see what
the rest of the league does. Or it's like, you know,
it's like you know, a car race. Yeah, you don't

(54:51):
go to car races see the cars go fast. You're
waiting to see an accident. And maybe that's what the
NBA is trying to fall pretty unfair, which said, it
would be very unfair.

Speaker 1 (55:00):
Because if that is, if that's drawing eyes and people
want to see that that's really not the sport by itself,
and that it'd be too bad. She's such a talented
player that she should be let left and flavor and
fouls are different than just hard even hard files, I'd argue,
because they're they're meant to knock them on their back.
They're meant to. And if she gets injured and you're not,

(55:21):
she's not able to play at all, don't I I don't.
I hope they don't think that sport continues to be
as popular as it is. If your marquee players, and
I would I would say that about any uh you
know where you have the star players of any professional sport,
if they're out the the the interest.

Speaker 2 (55:39):
Of Wayne's Yeah, it does.

Speaker 1 (55:41):
I start after stalking them alone in hornseeck left, I
stop watching.

Speaker 2 (55:46):
Yeah, well the great guys went away? All right? More
coming up, more of your calls and comments. It is
the Rodin Greg Show on Talk Radio one O five
nine k n R S. I'm citizen in Hughes and
I brought our ken. If you're just joining us now,
we're taking your calls and comments on the situation involving
Kitlyn Clark in the WNBA. There was a Wall Street
Journal article today talking about the league and that it

(56:07):
should do more to protect Caitlin Clark because she is
being beat up in that league. This is her third season,
second season in the league, and it points out that
she was left off the twenty twenty four US Olympic roster,
which despite leading the league in assess by a selection
committee including a league executive, a team president, and former

(56:32):
WNBA players. Reinforcing the thoughts of institutional resistance. I think
they just want to keep this up because they think
it's going to sell more tickets.

Speaker 1 (56:41):
Well, I think the conflict might be that I think
we're watching reverse racism front and center. I do think that.
I think that it's I think that that is at
the heart of a lot of the animosity that she's
feeling right now, which is again really sad. I mean,
she's actually tried to apologize for her color of skin,
and she's done. She's done about as much as you

(57:03):
can do to try and calm the waters. Uh, and
yet she still gets treated terribly. And I look, I
just uh, I wouldn't do it if you use my daughter.
I see it like a dad, as I would kick
the door in at that owner's office and I would
just threaten his leg. You better your protect her daughter,
or we're getting I'm getting her out of here. I

(57:24):
won't as a father watched my kid get beat to
a pulp like this every night. You you were gonna
do something here or we're going you know, I can't
even bug well.

Speaker 2 (57:34):
I mean, we rattled off some numbers as to what
she's meant to the league, greg, but was it the
All Star Game? She was injured, she couldn't play, and
the ratings went no one watched it if she's not
in there? So I mean, are these guys just ignorant?
Do they not realize the value that she brings to
that league and what she can do and what is
she is doing for that league? And how many young

(57:57):
girls out there who enjoy playing basketball are all striving
to be like Caitlin clark Well and there are a
lot of them.

Speaker 1 (58:05):
Well, if you're if I hate to say this it
sounds crazy in twenty twenty five to say, but if
you're white and you're a very good collegiate basketball player,
you might not want to walk into that situation. Yeah,
you might be the one of the greatest players in
college or in your school or whatever. But it doesn't
look like a very hospitable atmosphere to play the sport
you love. Yeah, I just it's just too much.

Speaker 2 (58:25):
You know, everybody needs to earn their strikes. You get
into a league, they're going to rough you up a
little bit.

Speaker 1 (58:31):
I'm totally the end of that.

Speaker 2 (58:32):
I agree that that's the name of the game, yep,
but this I think has gone beyond that. It is.

Speaker 1 (58:37):
And when you saw her office was on the Olympic team,
when you see the just all of it, there's just
there's the statistics are just such outliers over the way
other players in that league are treated, or stars in
other professional sports are treated, that there's something wrong. There
is really something wrong, that's true.

Speaker 2 (58:55):
I don't know. I don't want the federal government to
get involved, but I think the league should smarten up
and do.

Speaker 1 (59:00):
Something that or just go away. I mean, we barely
like you as a league. I mean, if you're going
to do this, it's just it's not gonna make you better.
I mean you're barely I mean you just finally found
some viability I think, and now you're going to destroy it.

Speaker 2 (59:13):
Yeah, that's true. All right, another hour coming your way,
coming up in our number three. Why does the C
word scare so many people? Are younger people in this
country today? The word is capitalism.

Speaker 1 (59:27):
I can't let that hang out there very well.

Speaker 2 (59:28):
Sure does scare a lot of people in this country today.
Young people will talk about that coming up right here
on the Roden Gregg Show and Utah's Talk Radio one
oh five nine a NRS stay with us or one

(59:49):
year anniversary. We should have done this hour like the
President did today.

Speaker 1 (59:53):
Should not on the roof.

Speaker 2 (59:54):
Yeah, get up on the roof and just walk around,
do the show on the roof.

Speaker 1 (59:57):
You know, I don't think people would care as much
if we're on the roof. I mean, the press is
yelling to him, come down, talk to us, to us,
you know. He he had a bunch of different answers
of why he was up there. I'm looking at you know,
I'm looking at how I'm going to spend my money,
you know, on this place, and it's all going to
be contributions. Don't worry. But then at some point he

(01:00:18):
said missiles. We'll put some nuclear missiles up here. And
I just to be a smart alecant anyway, he Uh,
he is. I mean as a build this, I think
it's smart. I think it's uh, you know when I
was back in DC, you know, you get to learn
more and more about the history. The nineteen forty four
is when they added the second story to I think
the so there's been additions and that you know, the

(01:00:41):
the old Executive Office Building was the was the White
House was where they were before they built the White
House and they moved it over. And the Old Executive
Office Building is where you have a lot of meetings.
This is where when I was speaking and we would
go into the White House compound and it's all protected
under one block. That's where you had the meetings and
you met with cabinet mans and other staffers. And the

(01:01:02):
West wing is a pretty busy place. In the East
Wing is kind of ceremonial. But the Old Executive Office
Building is where a lot of the meetings have.

Speaker 2 (01:01:10):
Did you gain all this knowledge during your recent trip
to DC last week? Well, the your your son holding
gave you a grand tour.

Speaker 1 (01:01:17):
Yeah. So the the additions and how it was built
and when when the additions were done, that's that's newly acquired,
uh knowledge. But the being at the Capitol and the
old Executive Office building. I got to do those things
when I was on the clock, you know. So, but
no having Junior show me around. We did a dome tour.

Speaker 2 (01:01:35):
Do you call him junior?

Speaker 1 (01:01:36):
Well he is Gregory holding Hughes, that's true, so but
but something I call him Deuce, uh for number two.
But yeah, but anyway, maybe too much information there, sorry, son.
It was nice we got that. We did pull off
a dome tour where you get to go up on
the dome, go outside the dome, which is very difficult
to do. You need a member usually.

Speaker 2 (01:01:57):
Of Congress to get you.

Speaker 1 (01:01:59):
We didn't have a member of we did have thanks
to Center Lee's office, we were able to get that.
But yeah, there's it was. It was fun to have
my son showing showing me around, showing his family around
like he like he owned the joint. Cool nw it
he really knew the place.

Speaker 2 (01:02:14):
Would you agree that a large percentage, maybe not a majority,
but a large percentage of young people in this country
today are unhappy. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:02:25):
I you know, I have.

Speaker 2 (01:02:26):
Hear that, but you don't. I'm not sure about it.

Speaker 1 (01:02:30):
I don't know what the kids are.

Speaker 2 (01:02:31):
You have three young children all in their I think twenties.

Speaker 1 (01:02:35):
They're on their twenties.

Speaker 2 (01:02:36):
Are they happy?

Speaker 1 (01:02:36):
I believe they are. I do believe they are.

Speaker 2 (01:02:38):
But there are some out there who aren't happy.

Speaker 1 (01:02:41):
Yeah, I don't know them. I know my kids and
I know they're friends. They all seem well adjusted, you know,
with young adults, and they seem to be doing good things.
So I don't know, but it doesn't surprise me. I mean,
if you watch so if you were to just try
and take a snapshot of society by what you see
on social media, it looks like a miserable the young people.

(01:03:01):
I just didn't know that. I don't know what recessive
and dominant genes create pink hare. I just don't understand,
which I don't letoos, you know. I mean two's a tattoo,
but really that many I don't know. Well, capitalism apparently
is what some people say it is making them unhappy?

Speaker 2 (01:03:22):
Well why is that? Joining us on our news maker
line right now is Emma Camp, assistant editor at Reason magazine.
She wrote about this, Emma, thanks for joining us on
the show tonight. When did the word capitalism in this
country become such a dirty word?

Speaker 6 (01:03:37):
Ema, I mean it depends on who you're asking. I
think for people who are my age, which is to say,
in their twenties, a significant portion, not all. I would
say that that the people in this group are most
likely to be sort of the downwardly mobile children of
the upper middle class. I think said over the past

(01:04:00):
couple of years, it's become really fashionable to be radical
and to have sort of radical politics, and so I
think that's why you see so many young people, particularly online,
complaining about capitalism in ways that aren't really connected to
an actual economic critique. Right. They're not saying, Okay, here's
why I think free markets are bad, which you know,

(01:04:22):
I might disagree with, but at least is grounded and
a reasonable definition of capitalism. But instead they're using it
as a shorthand for anything about American life that they
don't like. So they'll say, you know, capitalism is why
I feel like my job is supposed to be my
primary source of self worth, or capitalism is why there
are unrealistic beauty standards, or you know, capitalism is why

(01:04:44):
my friends won't pick me up and take me to
the airport. And you know, when I'm looking at this,
I'm like, you know, the problem you had there is
not really with capitalism. It's with the fact that you
don't have, you know, strong, meaningful relationships with other people.

Speaker 1 (01:04:59):
So here's here's what I would ask is that I
have three I have three children in their twenties, so
I think this is this article is written about their
generation or them maybe even them themselves. But as a father,
I heard this once and I don't know where, but
earned success is where you find your self esteem, whether
that's in your schoolwork and your and your hobbies, your sports,

(01:05:20):
your career. Where do you find earn success If you're
told that jobs are bad and I just want to
have fun, where does the earned success come from? And
a model that doesn't include work and you know, achieving
through work.

Speaker 6 (01:05:38):
So I think the source of a lot of the
anti work sentiment is less about work itself and more
about not having meaningful relationships outside of work. I actually
am not you know, I don't have a super romantic
view of like work for work safe and the sake.
And this is coming from someone with a ninety nine
percent high interesting job. I'm an attended journalist, but even

(01:05:59):
no like that makes my life worth living. Is like
that I have a husband, who I really love, who
I come home to at the end of the day,
and hopefully one day we'll have a family, and that's
really what makes me happy. And so I think actually
to push maybe back a little bit, I think on
my generation was really told the most reliable way to

(01:06:20):
lead a good and fulfilling life is to get a
good job, go to college, get a good, well paying job,
and then you'll be happy. But when you actually look
at the data, so there if you people who say
there's this big social survey to found that people who
say that they're very satisfied in their jobs have a

(01:06:40):
one hundred and forty five percent increase of being generally
happy in the rest of their life. Okay, that's really big,
But people who are very satisfied in their marriage have
a five hundred and forty five percent increase of being
generally happy. So, in fact, like the most reliable way
to get a good and foot filling life to be
happy is not necessarily to have a job that you

(01:07:04):
really like, but to have a spouse or a family
or even just other relationships. And so being able to
find you know, sort of meaningful success in your work
is valuable for a lot of people. But I think
that we've been pushing aside. What we are doing outside
of work, for the vast majority of people is going
to be so much more meaningful than what they do
from nine.

Speaker 2 (01:07:24):
To five, you know, And I love this section where
you write about capitalism versus fun, and you have this
quote from an influencer. He says, you mean, I'm going
to sit behind my desk, freword in there work nine
to five each day of my life until retirement. There
is no way that is what life is all about.
I just want to have fun. Apparently to certain a
certain demographic in this country, working in fun are not

(01:07:47):
the same.

Speaker 6 (01:07:50):
Yeah, I mean, it isn't even the bare element of
that of that sentiment that I fully disagree with, because
I think for a lot of people. You know, I've
said before, but a lot of jobs they're not intrinsically meaningful.
You know, the person who's stocking shell of the target
for example, or you know, doing data entry is probably
not getting a lot out of that. But you know,

(01:08:11):
human beings have to work. We've worked in all economics systems.
Certainly in real life communism, people were working a whole
lot more than the average person is working in capitalists America,
and so you know, people have to work, and in fact,
if you have someone or something that you're working for,

(01:08:32):
I think that's where the work you're doing becomes meaningful.
And in fact, you can see work is not anti
fund but a conduit to enable you to have fun
with the time that you're not working for you said
a keyword of the conduit.

Speaker 1 (01:08:48):
Because I find there to be such a disconnect between
the quality of your household. Let's say you have a home,
you have a spouse, you're able to eat, have a
pantry full of food. I have no eye idea when
I read the same quote that Roger just read in
your column, that there's no way you're going to tell
me I'm gonna have to work my whole life. You know,
I'm just not going to sit behind a desk. I'm
not going to work nine to five. I then what,

(01:09:10):
Because where I grew up, my mother was a single mother,
my grandmother was a single mother, and and work was
really the only way you could have a household. If
you wanted to live under one roof, and you wanted
to eat, and you wanted to enjoy the go to
a Pittsburgh Pirates game, or you want to do something,
you had to have an income in that household to
be able to have those moments together as a family.
How can anyone separate unless they're trust fund babies. The

(01:09:32):
ability to have that household quality relationships, and how you
get those by having a profession or a vocation or
something that brings resources so that you can actually have
a household where is Why is there such a disconnect there?

Speaker 6 (01:09:48):
Yeah, that really is the irony. You know, over the
course of human history, the only people who can be
accurately described as being both economically comfortable and not working
are the old tro wealthy, who presumably, you know, these
leftists do not believe should exist. And it really is
sort of utopian thinking. Like there was this viral Twitter

(01:10:09):
thread in twenty twenty that's now become sort of a
popular meme where this one person said, Okay, you know
on the Marxist commune, what would your job be? My
job would be brewing lattes and writing poetryes, And everybody
else is like, yes, mine would be giving theory lectures
or you know, taking care of the cats or whatever.

(01:10:30):
And then you know, no one was saying, oh, my
job would be to dig ditches and clean latrines, which
is one of people on real life communist communes were
actually doing. And it's like, yeah, yeah, The fantasy is
to live a life of leisure. The fantasy is not
to live in an anti capitalist, fully egalitarian society. It's
the fantasy is being ultra wealthy. And you know that's nice,

(01:10:54):
but that's not realistic. And in fact, the only economic
system in history in which is significant of the population
has worked with their minds rather than with their bodies.
You know, my great grandmother worked all her life in
a paper mill and I get to tap on my
laptop on all day. Are under these like modern globally
trading capitalist societies, Like people who live in those economies

(01:11:18):
have more comfortable ways of doing labor than those who don't.

Speaker 2 (01:11:22):
And my camp joining us on our newsmaker line, Thank
you very much. Emma talking about capitalism versus unhappiness, she
brought up commune living. What job would you want in
a communal situation?

Speaker 1 (01:11:34):
Judge? I want to be the judge.

Speaker 2 (01:11:35):
You want to be the judge.

Speaker 1 (01:11:36):
I want to be the judge. I had any conflict,
you give me the facts both sides. I'll tell you
what's what's what.

Speaker 2 (01:11:42):
I have a simple job. What's that sun watcher? No,
I just want to tell the commune sons come and.

Speaker 1 (01:11:48):
I understand they can get a rooster for that. They
don't even need.

Speaker 2 (01:11:51):
Okay, I'll be the commune's rooster. Yeah, that's that's all. Well,
the job. Apparently today's people think it's a job.

Speaker 1 (01:12:01):
Yeah. They all want to be they want to all
want to be poets.

Speaker 2 (01:12:04):
No, that's true. All right, more coming up, Rod and
Greg with you on Talk radio one oh five nine
k n R S.

Speaker 1 (01:12:10):
I'm a citizen in Hughes.

Speaker 2 (01:12:11):
Didn't send me flowers today, No sho. We didn't have
a cake, cake. Staff didn't even welcome us.

Speaker 1 (01:12:17):
No, we should. There should have been applause. It should
have been like a parade for yes, it's a year.

Speaker 2 (01:12:22):
We didn't hear from major leaders in the city or
the state calling us, congratulating us.

Speaker 1 (01:12:27):
I will say though that you you you were a
year younger with me here shall you? You look like
a million bucks.

Speaker 2 (01:12:34):
All right, let's talk more about jobs, because we're we
were just talking with em Acamp who was talking about
capitalism versus unhappiness work. You know, the younger generation trying
to find jobs that are both fun and make them happy.
Right yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:12:47):
So one of the big opinion leaders, influencers on social media,
but just really on all the talking heads of you know,
cable news programs. As a woman, her name is batcha
Unger Sargon. She was a lifelong Democrats still probably does
lean left of center, but she sees Donald Trump as
someone who really embraces the working people, the everyday people

(01:13:09):
of America, which has always been her passion and what
she has spoken about. She talks about work in a
very interesting way, contrasting Donald Trump and his vision with
the Democrats today. Let's have a listen.

Speaker 12 (01:13:20):
Donald Trump views labor and work as inherently dignified, which
is where his whole immigration agenda comes from. If you
allow millions of illegals to come into the country, it
undercuts the value of the labor of the American worker.

Speaker 5 (01:13:38):
So if you love work.

Speaker 12 (01:13:40):
And you think it gives dignity, and you love America,
you're going to have a right wing populist model to
try to protect the dignity of the labor of the
American worker. Contrast that with Mom Donniism and now Elizabeth Warrenism.
In their view labor and work is inherently huge, umiliating

(01:14:00):
and undignified. We should allow millions of ill and.

Speaker 1 (01:14:05):
It's true undignified. And and if you listen to in
our interview with Emma camp there's there's young people say,
are you kidding me? I have to work my whole life?
I have to do that. There's no way I can't
do that because they see work as undignified, just as
she's described. She put she described that mentality that I
don't want to work. And I hate to tell these

(01:14:27):
young people that if you don't have capitalism, which is
that which has pulled more people out of poverty than
anything anything, communism, socialism, anything, you know, un program, federal program,
it's it's self determination and the freedom of it that
has pulled people out of out of their circumstances. If
you don't have that, if you think you got some
utopia waiting for you, boy, you're gonna be sadly mistaken.

Speaker 2 (01:14:47):
Well, Warren showed up yesterday basically endorseed Mendani right in
New York City. Listen to what Bill O'Reilly said about
Elizabeth Warren last night. Senator Warren is a nit wait.

Speaker 8 (01:14:57):
I'm sorry, I don't I don't usually do that, but
my God, and man Don gets elected in mayor in
New York City. She doesn't think wealthy people in corporations
are gonna leave.

Speaker 2 (01:15:11):
You're a nitwit, madam.

Speaker 8 (01:15:13):
I mean, that's all I can say.

Speaker 1 (01:15:14):
There's no other.

Speaker 2 (01:15:15):
Word to describe you. Yeah, she's a nitwit mill O'Reilly almost.

Speaker 1 (01:15:21):
I mean, this is the part of me that says,
you know, if you if that's what you want, you know,
I'm not going to protect you from yourself. I just
don't want to see this this cancer grow. Yeah, if
it wants to stay in New York, stay in New York,
spread it out.

Speaker 2 (01:15:33):
All right, mare coming up on the run in Greg
Show and Talk Radio one oh five nine can arrest.

Speaker 1 (01:15:37):
Look, I'll admit I have been writing your coat tails,
and I sensed that when we went to the National
Republican the Republican National Convention, we had all the syndicated
talk show row and there were just a few major market,
very successful iHeart local shows that were there. I was
just starting. So it was nothing I did that got

(01:15:58):
us on, got us that prime spot. All you do
is that really you the listeners, You've You've made this
show a very successful show. Yes, we've had fun. I
take all the credit, but it really is you folks.
So just so you know, I'm drafting off of you,
but I totally say it.

Speaker 2 (01:16:17):
To Yeah, you're so humble. Let's talk about voter rolls.
We mentioned yesterday that the UH and we talked yesterday
about how the DOJ has now launched an effort to
take a look at voter rolls around the country. Now,
there are some people who object to that idea, would
like more clarification. And that person who's Derek Munson. He's

(01:16:37):
with the Sutherland Institute joining us on our Newsmaker line
right now. Derek, thanks for joining us this evening. I
want to ask you about this, the voter roll question.
What are you concerned about, what steps need to be taken?

Speaker 3 (01:16:49):
Yeah, well, I think it's it's important to kind of
put a great big picture on this, and that's that
this is an effort to promote election security, election integrity
right that their federal Laws to Help America Vote Act
being one of them, among others that require states to
maintain voter roles, and at least in the letters they've

(01:17:09):
been communicating, the Department of Justice is saying they're trying
to to enforce that, and some of what they're doing
I think goes good steps in that direction, like asking
states to share the processes that they have in place
to maintain clean voter roles. I mean, we all in government,
you know, need check some balances on everyone really, so

(01:17:30):
so the Department of Justice asking to states to see
how they're complying with this federal law makes a lot
of sense. And then there's other things in these letters,
and specifically the one that you just mentioned, Rod is
asking for voter role information. And you know, up front,
there's a little bit of vagueness around what specifically they're
asking for. If they want everything, do they only want

(01:17:52):
certain things? It doesn't really specify, but presumably they want
the whole voter role. And there's private, confident information on that,
and that's not something that the state typically discloses. Some
it is actually required to be public, you know, so
the campaigns can access it, but others other elements are not.
And so the concern is that you have a federal

(01:18:15):
agency trying to gather this information and centralize it into
into their department for it's kind of not quite clear
how how having that information allows them to enforce the
the Help America Vote Act, because as long as the
states are following the procedures, that's what the Help America
Vote Act requires. And so I guess it comes a

(01:18:39):
question as to why they're getting this information, how it
does actually relate to the investigation or the enforcement of
the law that they're trying to do, and can give
back to that big picture question, does it actually promote
election security? Because a key element that maintains the integrity
of our elections is you know candidly how complicated it

(01:19:01):
is to actually try to commit voter fraud because election
decisions are spread across various levels of government, local, state,
and federal, and so if you're going to try to
influence a national election, you're going to have to somehow
infiltrate almost every level of government to pull that off.
But when we centralize things like taking all fifty states

(01:19:23):
voter roles and putting them in a central database in DC, well,
in some ways that's a gift would be fraudsters because
now they have to hack only one database rather than fifty.
And so the question is, in the how of promoting
election integrity, are we accidentally or intentionally undermining the security
of our elections.

Speaker 1 (01:19:40):
You make a good point, and I think the decentralization
of our campaigns has to stay the way it is.
But what I've interpreted from the DOJ and why, I
think that there is something here that we ought to scrutinize.
And I think the federal government's not without its ability
through IRS and everything else to get information is our
elections and the integrity of those elections depend especially presidential elections,

(01:20:01):
really depend on every state getting it right. What is wrong, Derek?
If transparency is the key, and you just want to
have a clear, transparent you want to know that people
that are eligible to voter voting, so you're not getting
your vote canceled, so that these are eligible voters, and
that the chain of custody is one that hasn't been interrupted.
Transparency and chain of custody. If that's what the DJ

(01:20:22):
is looking to ensure to the American people, that's what
they're getting out of their respective states. How is how
would that be a bad thing?

Speaker 7 (01:20:31):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:20:32):
I think that's a good thing. But it comes back
to the how. So election security is not a bad thing,
but if you do it in the wrong way, you
actually undermine it. And so I think the same thing
applies here. For instance, if we want to ensure that
our voter roles are clean, you know, we could put
requirements on transparent transparency, requirements on how voter roles are maintained.

(01:20:55):
You know, we can audit the voter roles and release
the report finding how many sharing, how many errors were discovered,
and how many things got cleaned up. That will be
a good transparency measure. Plus the other thing I think
that's important here is the principle of federalism. In the Constitution,
it says regarding elections that states are primarily in charge

(01:21:15):
of the time, place, and manner of elections, and then
that Congress can effectively come in and change those things.
And so that means both sides have to be respected.
So if the if Congress enacted a law that said
you need to take these steps maybe as part of
the help of America Vote Act States to show your
voters that you're maintaining a clean role, that would be

(01:21:36):
I think a pro federalism approach to this, rather than
just going and saying, give us all your data and
we're going to look at it the federal government because
I'm not sure, you know, is the message that they
don't trust the states to do it or I don't
really know, you know, they haven't really necessarily talked about that,
But that seems to say we're going to centralize all
of this and states, it's not really up to you
to just you know, do it on your own anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:21:59):
Yeah, you're saying states right now should just say no.
But if you've got more clear information and instructions as
to what exactly the DOJ is looking for, would you
be willing to say yes?

Speaker 3 (01:22:12):
I think I could envision that if if they were
very clear on what they were doing and why. The
other thing that excuse me, The other thing that that
is a part of this is there are federal laws
that require agencies when they go and collect data, even
publicly available data that's already accessible to everyone, that they
have to announce they're doing so through a public comment process.

(01:22:34):
And that's because you know, we have generally concerns in
this country about a federal agency collecting a lot of
personal data on people in central databases. So in this case,
the Department of Justice, as far as anyone is where,
hasn't done that yet, and so they need to follow
the law, you know, like it's it's one thing to
implement and enforce the law, but we also need to

(01:22:54):
follow the law as we do that. Otherwise we're kind
of one step four, two steps back, undermining the law
to implem meant the law. So if they did those steps,
I think it was clear what they were asking for,
and if private information was kept secure at the state
level and not put into a database, I think there
could be a possibility that someone like me could could
get on board with it. But where it's all vague,

(01:23:16):
we have to go based on just what we have,
and I think there's a good reason for states to
have concerns about just handing over the voter rules.

Speaker 1 (01:23:25):
I would still err on the side of it being
very transparent and making sure that the people that are
voting or casting voter are legally supposed to. You point
out in the article that you know, local election officials
handle and count the ballots, and the voters themselves ensure
that their ballots remain secure until they're cast. The problem
is that these elections are getting closer and closer in
terms of you know, especially talking about a presidential election,

(01:23:48):
you have a scenario where the voter to cast their
vote uses the mail and that mail goes all the
way to Las Vegas and it takes ten days to
come back, and that there is no practical way that
that voter was able to sure that their vote was
counted because the chain of custody has been lost from
the time they were allowed to take it to the mailbox,
but the distance it travels and when it comes back.

(01:24:08):
We've seen examples in Utah where those vote those ballots
were not counted. And yet how could the voter make
sure that from the time they voted and cast it
the way they were legally allowed to it made it
to the clerk to be counted. Those things. If that
were to impact a presidential election, I think surrounding states
would have a very good argument that we need votes

(01:24:29):
to count that should legally count. So I think there's
a nexus there, and I don't know that we I
don't take any comfort in thinking that we have right now,
at least in the state of Utah, a way for
voters to know that their vote was counted and that
when they legally cast that ballot is it doesn't that
worry you?

Speaker 3 (01:24:48):
Well, I don't agree with that assessment. They're greg I mean,
a voter has complete control over how their ballot is cast.
So if they're dropping it in the mail, it's because
they're comfortable dropping it in the mail. And frankly, I
don't know that it's our place to say no, you
can't vote that way, because it's their ballot. So if
they take it, if they're concerned about that, they can
take it to the election center and drop it off
right there. They can vote the same day, they can

(01:25:09):
vote early. They don't have to put it in the mail.
If we was a situation where we were requiring everybody
to put the ballot in the mail, I think I
would share your concerns. But given that we've basically allowed
voters to vote the way that they think is most secure. Uh,
and again they're the one with the highest level of
interest in the security of that ballot. I think another
thing that's important to keep in mind is the is

(01:25:29):
the instance you're talking about with you know, ballots going
to Las Vegas, that wasn't an election security issue. That
was that was simply the timing when ballots came in
and where they counted or not. And that's a fixable issue.
That's eminently fixable. We can simply say you know, ballots
need to be arrived the day of election day, right
and and there's different ways to address that that really

(01:25:51):
don't have to do with election security. Election security is
kind of tangent to that particular instance.

Speaker 2 (01:25:56):
Derek Mounsen joining us on any of our Newsmaker line
talking about voter role, and you'll point it out to
Derek as well that the legislature has tried tried to
address some of these issues, right.

Speaker 1 (01:26:06):
Yeah, one of the big changes from last year's session
that they've done is that they're going to whatever they
have in possession at eight pm on election night is
all they're going to get it. And this whole waiting
you know, two weeks for you know, ballots to trickle
in from the mail that's going to end, which is
which is a good thing. I still think that Utah's
chain of custody and Utah's transparency on who votes and

(01:26:29):
who's allowed to vote has a lot of room for
needs more. I don't like the mass mailing of ballots.
I don't like the returning of a ballot without having
to show an idea. And there's ways you can do
it where you can have the drop off, have very quick,
prolong the days that you can vote, have an election
judge where you drop off your ballot. Just have your
driver's license. When you drop off your ballot, they can

(01:26:49):
look at it, you know, scan it, and then you
can drop off your ballot. We did this for so
long this way, and then all of a sudden it
became if you can't do it from your lazy boy
chair and not move a muscle, then this isn't This
isn't a democratic republic. I know. I think there's a
lot of room to improve our process.

Speaker 2 (01:27:07):
All right, more coming up on the Rod and Greg
Show and Talk Radio one O five nine k n
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Speaker 1 (01:27:12):
I am a citizen Hughes.

Speaker 2 (01:27:14):
And I'm Rod Arks.

Speaker 1 (01:27:15):
Special Daypial Special Anniverse.

Speaker 2 (01:27:17):
It is a special anniverse. Boy, this is juicy stuff.
Who is this our anniversary? Well that's a little mushia.
That too is very it's very special. Joe Biden and
Mark Helprin, Yes, who's been doing a lot of great
journalism of late, is reporting that Biden's inner circle, okay,
are reportedly preparing to spill all the beans on just

(01:27:42):
how awful Kamala Harris was as vice president, should her
upcoming book put him in a bad light. So she
dumps on him. They are ready to dump on her.

Speaker 1 (01:27:53):
So I saw an interview, well part of the Colbert
Colbert interview that she yeah, Kamla and she doesn't go
after Biden. She says nice things about him. So maybe
they maybe the message was received. I don't know, we'll
see well.

Speaker 2 (01:28:07):
I read during one of the breaks a segment from
her book about Timmy.

Speaker 1 (01:28:11):
Oh no, she's not nice about him, which hilarious, and.

Speaker 2 (01:28:14):
She said they tried to do Timmy was not popular,
and they tried to do everything with Timmy, taking him Honting,
going to a football game. She picked him, Yeah, she
p and then he'd run out stage and waving his hands.

Speaker 1 (01:28:25):
And yeah, because he couldn't sell it.

Speaker 2 (01:28:29):
Because he did that she does on him.

Speaker 1 (01:28:32):
She picked him because he was inherently weak. She didn't
want a strong Josh Shapiro from Pennsylvania's Governor Shapiro because
he had a strong he was probably gonna outshine her,
and she knew it. And she didn't want Kelly the Senator,
Kelly from Arizona, the former astronaut, for the same reason.
She picked the weakest of the three because she didn't
want to be outshining.

Speaker 2 (01:28:51):
Yeah. One other note, Pope Leo most favorably viewed public
figure of fourteen newsmakers that they listed.

Speaker 1 (01:29:00):
I'll tell you I like him. I mean, I love
this American pope. I think having an American pope is
a cool thing.

Speaker 2 (01:29:06):
You wore a Bears hat the other day.

Speaker 1 (01:29:07):
You know, That's what I mean.

Speaker 7 (01:29:08):
I like that.

Speaker 1 (01:29:09):
I like the sports side, American side coming in.

Speaker 2 (01:29:11):
Yeah, I don't get this one. Uh. Zelensky came in
pretty good. Uh. And Bernie Sanders, well then so then
there's something wrong with this that if they're they're they're
given Bernie Sanders high marks, then no, I didn't consider
the source. Yeah, that's true. All right, that does impress tonight,
as we say each and every night, head off, shoulders back,

(01:29:31):
May God bless you and your family and this great
country of ours, mister Hughes. Then first year has been fun? Yes,
no telling me what?

Speaker 1 (01:29:39):
Ten more?

Speaker 2 (01:29:39):
Number two, let's go