The Rod and Greg Show: 21st Century Jesus Movement; Americans for Public Safety; How many Immigrants have left the U.S.?

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome to the show, mister. He was broadcasting live today
from our southern command post.

Speaker 2 (00:05):
Try.

Speaker 3 (00:06):
I am here holding Fort Rod. His a lot going
on in the whole state. We can't just be all
up in the washt Edge front when I'm down here
in southern Utah to make sure things are calm, cool, collected.
And the report for me to all you our listeners
is where the place is holding strong.

Speaker 4 (00:23):
This is Liberty Land down here in Washington County.

Speaker 5 (00:25):
I'll just say that.

Speaker 1 (00:26):
Now you're down there with the sheriffs today, I'm surprised
they haven't arrested you already.

Speaker 3 (00:31):
Not only did they not arrest me, they actually received
me better than you do.

Speaker 4 (00:35):
They liked seeing me Rod.

Speaker 3 (00:37):
And we heard from oz Mark Geitts, who was from
the Benghazi attack on the Consolate down there in Libya. Yeah,
from twenty twelve nine to eleven, twenty twelve. Well, I'll
tell you what I've heard him speak before, but when
he's speaking to members of law enforcement and sheriffs, you
get a little different version of that story, maybe a
little more detailed. Oh yeah, it is still a gripping

(00:59):
story to this day. A lot of bravery and a
lot of tragedy on that given day. But that almost
feels like America in twenty twenty five. Honestly, it's just
becoming an insane time, kind of crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:10):
Well, we had another attack today on ICE facility. We'll
get to that in just a minute. Coming up a
little bit later on. There are still a lot of
news related to the assassination of Charlie Kirk. We'll get
into that a little bit later on. Of course, we'll
talk about how many immigrants have now left the US
voluntarily now. They had the Ice shooting today and we'll
talk about that in just a minute. Of course, a

(01:30):
lot of reaction, But Greg, I think you and I
have decided we do not want to waste a lot
of time today talking about Jimmy Kimmel because I think
most of our listening audience they simply do not care.

Speaker 3 (01:42):
No, I would be honestly surprised if any of us
have actually watched his rotten show and don't really care
if he's back, if he's back on, if he's missing
sixty channels across the country, I really don't care, because
it's what it's done, is it's actually taken our eye
off of an emphasis and not us Actually we've been
there a bit. Hollywood, All the Stars, Disney, everybody's up

(02:02):
and isn't an uproar about that guy. Meanwhile, we have
Charlie Kirk who was politically assassinated.

Speaker 4 (02:08):
You have this again.

Speaker 3 (02:09):
This is a second attack in Dallas of ice facilities
in that area with fatalities.

Speaker 6 (02:15):
Today.

Speaker 3 (02:15):
The violence is ramping up there. They haven't slowed down.
It's not coming from both sides. It isn't everybody. It
is the left. It is their tool. They foment hate,
and they are trying to intimidate people from coming forward,
and they're trying to intimidate people in the positions.

Speaker 4 (02:31):
Let's talk about that. Let's unpack that.

Speaker 1 (02:33):
Well, I'm the loop packnel a couple of things. I
just want to mention on Kimmel, he didn't apologize.

Speaker 2 (02:37):
Greg.

Speaker 1 (02:38):
He had the highest ratings he had that will probably
fall off tomorrow. So who cares?

Speaker 7 (02:43):
You know?

Speaker 1 (02:44):
Someone who raised an interesting question, Greg, when was the
decision made on all of the networks that they were
going to attack Donald Trump and those people who supported him.
When When did that decision? When was that decision made?
Was it twenty fifteen, was it twenty sixth?

Speaker 8 (03:00):
You know?

Speaker 1 (03:01):
Making fun of people, Greg is the easiest way to
get jokes, and I think they they just said, hey,
we got an easy joke. Just make fun of Trump
and the people will support him. And and that's that's
what has happened there, I think. But I'd like to
know when was that decision made that every late night
talk show host in America would make fun of Donald Trump.

Speaker 4 (03:22):
I just clearly years ago they made that decision.

Speaker 3 (03:26):
Run and if you want to talk pretty much speech
and all this other stuff, you haven't had an equal opportunity.
The guys like Leno and and Johnny Carson, they were
equal opportunity criticized, not even criticized, just make fun of
it went. It was a two way street back then,
because the calculus was, we want to entertain all of America.
We really want everyone to be so whoever was the

(03:48):
president at the time would receive some of that that
and now you know that kind of commentary, humorous commentary,
which was up fine for everyone. This crew decided to
go after Trump only his supporters, and it's been a
left wing propaganda machine for years and years and years.
I think Bill O'Reilly pointed out that when's the last
time you saw anyone right of center as a guest.

Speaker 4 (04:09):
Yeah, I don't know that. You've seen it limnimally in
the last three to five years.

Speaker 1 (04:13):
So well, one other note and then we'll move on.
We promised you we wouldn't talk a lot about this today,
and we aren't going to. But I think I found
the real reason why it was brought back. You know
what it is, Greg what Disney boss, Bob Iiker, his
wife a name you may recognize her. His wife's name
is will Obey. She was a correspondent, I think on
NBC at one time. Whatever she is, she is the

(04:36):
dean of the USC School of Communications and Journalism. Now
all right, they're married. Apparently her social calendar was being
impacted by all of this, her social life. There were
people calling her and telling her, please, don't come to
our party. We don't like what your husband is doing.
I think that's the real reason why he was cut.

Speaker 3 (04:58):
Well, I'll tell you what make your wife social calendar
more important than your bottom line? And see how long
they last as a network. They've got sixty something stations
that didn't play it, nor do they intend to. We'll
see how that works. Let's see how that works.

Speaker 4 (05:10):
For them.

Speaker 3 (05:11):
I think the ball's back in their court if they
want to play that game. I hope that those Sinclair
and Next are find programming that they're that the people
that view their channels and the markets they're in find entertaining.
And if it's not that show, which half of America
wouldn't find our listeners, I don't think watch that show.

Speaker 4 (05:28):
It Let them find something that's commercially successful.

Speaker 3 (05:31):
And uh, you know I I And if it's her
social calendar that's making that big decision for that network,
I think they'll.

Speaker 1 (05:41):
Yeah, yeah, Well, let's talk about the news of the day.
Yet another attack on ICE. The FBI today investigating and
early morning shooting at an ICE facility in Dallas. The
shooting killed one immigrant immigration detainee, critically injuring two others.
No ICE officers or other law enforcement officers were killed.
Greg But here we have another example of the heated

(06:01):
rhetoric coming from those on the left against ICE. And
I thought Ted Kruz said it best after this today
in front of the microphones. This was his reaction to
the shooting.

Speaker 8 (06:12):
This needs to stop. Violence is wrong. Politically motivated violence
is wrong. It was two weeks ago today that we
saw a political assassination in Utah that tore the heart
out of much of this country. This is the third
shooting in Texas directed at ICE or CBP.

Speaker 5 (06:37):
This must stop.

Speaker 8 (06:41):
To every politician who is using rhetoric demonizing ICE and
demonizing CBP, stop to every politician demanding that ICE agents
be docksed and calling for people to go after their families.

Speaker 2 (06:58):
Stop.

Speaker 8 (07:00):
This has very real consequences. Look in America, we disagree.
That's fine, that's the democratic process, but your political opponents
are not Nazis.

Speaker 6 (07:10):
Now.

Speaker 1 (07:10):
That comment was followed up by this comment from Vice
President JD.

Speaker 5 (07:14):
Vans.

Speaker 9 (07:14):
Because here's what happens when Democrats like Gavin Newsom did
say that these people are part of an authoritarian government.
When the left wing media lies about what they're doing,
when they lie about who they're arresting, when they lie
about the actual job of law enforcement, what they're doing
is encouraging crazy people to go and commit violence. You

(07:35):
don't have to agree with my immigration policies, you don't
have to agree with Donald Trump's immigration policies. But if
your political rhetoric encourages violence against our law enforcement, you
can go straight to hell. And you have no place
in the political conversation of the United States of America.

Speaker 1 (07:53):
Boy, I'll tell you what JD. Van's upset about this, Greg,
And like you said, you can go straight to hell
if you don't want to stop this. You know they
aren't going to back down, Greg, They're going to keep up.
This violence against against ICE is just going to continue.
And you've got this stupid law in California now, which
by the way, they have no authority or the FEDS,
but it basically says, if you're an ICE officer, you

(08:13):
can't wear a mask, and it has no authority. So
it's not going to go anywhere.

Speaker 4 (08:18):
And let's not be too myopic here. This isn't about ICE.

Speaker 3 (08:23):
This is about the leftist agenda, of which all of
it they are trying to create fear. They're trying to
keep people from speaking up. They want people to throw
their arms up and say, you know what, enough of
the chaos, whatever's causing it, just like they did the
Tesla takedown. You know, the Tesla takedown was not Elon
Musk's fault. Although he had to stop being at DOGE,

(08:44):
he had to pull back from that. He had to
stop what he was doing because his dealerships were being destroyed,
people that own their cars are being vandalized. So they
so the left achieved their goal of getting Elon Musk
to stop doing what he was doing. This whole effort
of attacking Ice. This is not going to end because
they want the deportation and removal of people here illegally

(09:06):
to stop.

Speaker 4 (09:06):
Being the los stop.

Speaker 3 (09:08):
They don't want the law enforce They want this to stop,
and they think that America is finally going to turn
on this administration from doing it because they've had enough
of it. And they think, well, we're just going to
go to the source. If you would just stop enforcing
the law, we'll stop having these attacks. You can go
down the line Charlie Kirk changing the minds of young people. Well,
if we can just stop him and create violence, people

(09:29):
will be afraid to show up at those campus events.
People won't want to come to those and certainly he
won't be able to change the minds of young people.
So we'll stop him violently as well. It is every front.
It is all that they do. It is not both sides,
and so it's not about Ice. It's every agenda that
the left has that this administration and people that with
common sense and Republicans have been fighting against.

Speaker 4 (09:50):
They can't take it.

Speaker 3 (09:51):
They can't argue it, and the market of free ideas
and free minds, they can't. They have to silence and
create fear.

Speaker 4 (09:59):
That's all.

Speaker 1 (09:59):
This is a yeah, fear because they don't have any
solutions to the problems in this country. Greg, I mean,
at least the Trump administrations trying to find solutions and
get things done. They don't know how to do that.
Like you said, the only thing they have is to
attack Donald Trump. A little bit later on, there was
a response on MSNBC You caught this today, Greg and
pointed it out from this guy says, you know, he

(10:22):
puts something on the rounds that he fired. Well, that's
a right wing thing, not a left wing thing. We'll
let you hear that audio a little bit.

Speaker 6 (10:30):
Later on.

Speaker 4 (10:31):
About that.

Speaker 1 (10:32):
All right, A lot to say today here on The
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(10:54):
up on the wing Man Wednesday edition of The Rotten
Gregg Show on Talk Radio one five nine. Good to
be with you on this Wingman Wednesday edition of The
Rod and Greg Show. We're learning today the Tyler Robinson,
the twenty two year old man who's accused of assassinating
Charlie Kirk, now has a public appointed attorney. So that

(11:16):
was news just breaking today. He has an attorney now
in his efforts to defend himself against that assassination. All right,
speaking of that, Greg, you know, this has really been
an interesting time in American history. Here you have Charlie Kirk,
who I think a lot of people viewed, especially those
on the left, as a political figure. But I think Greg,
he did something bigger than that, and that's why I

(11:37):
wanted to bring our next guest on and talk about that.
Joining us on our newsmaker line and Scott Hogensen, contributor
to town Hall. He's also a with his own communications company. Scott,
how are you welcome to the Rod and Greg Show.
Thanks for joining us, Scott.

Speaker 2 (11:52):
I'm real well, Rod thank you and nice to meet you, Greg. Scott.

Speaker 1 (11:57):
Let me ask you this, Scott, Sure, what did he
do differently? I mean, he was recognized as a public figure,
a political figure, but you said he dared to do
something different? What did he do differently?

Speaker 10 (12:10):
What Charlie Kirk did was he dared to infuse his
political philosophy with Biblical Christianity. You don't see that with
a lot of politicians. You hardly see it with many politicians.
Most politicians will say, yeah, I'm a Christian, or they'll
go to prayer, breakfast or things like that.

Speaker 2 (12:31):
And that's fine.

Speaker 10 (12:32):
I'm not criticizing those politicians for doing that, but that's
not what Charlie Kirk did.

Speaker 2 (12:38):
Charlie Cook or Charlie Kirk.

Speaker 10 (12:40):
Walked the walk in pretty much everything he did, and
he did that walking infused with Biblical Christianity. And that
is why the man resonated so much with so many
young people.

Speaker 2 (12:55):
He gave them, He gave them meaning, Scott.

Speaker 5 (12:58):
Do you think you heard him?

Speaker 1 (13:00):
A lot of politicians, and a lot of them even
mentioned it during the memorial memorial service that they've never
brought up God so much as they have in the past.
Couple of weeks since Charlie Kirk was assassinated. Do you
think that trend will continue among politicians?

Speaker 10 (13:14):
Gott, I think it will, and I think it will
migrate to the broader politician. At the risk of sounding
trite or like a cliche, I think Jesus is cool again.

Speaker 2 (13:28):
And when you see so many people.

Speaker 10 (13:31):
Whether they be secretaries of state or some other cabinet department.

Speaker 2 (13:36):
By the way, Marco Rubio's remarks was just.

Speaker 5 (13:38):
Understanding, Yeah, wonderful.

Speaker 2 (13:39):
But whether you see it.

Speaker 10 (13:40):
From the secretary of State or you see it with
you know, hundreds and maybe even thousands of college kids
like at Texas A and M and Auburn University, like
you did in twenty twenty three, all of a sudden,
you don't have to be sheepish about saying.

Speaker 2 (13:56):
Yeah, I believe in Jesus Christ.

Speaker 10 (13:58):
Or you know, someone who's little bit older, someone like myself,
they're like, oh, you've done pretty well in life.

Speaker 2 (14:03):
What do you attribute your success? And I attribute my
success to my Lord and Savior.

Speaker 10 (14:08):
Jesus Christ, because without him, I'm nothing, you know, And
I think people who have believed that or felt that innately,
like it was written on their hearts for instance, like
it says in the Bible. I think people are more
comfortable saying that because they don't have to worry about
as many.

Speaker 2 (14:25):
People throwing rocks out of it.

Speaker 1 (14:27):
I was just going to say, I mean, what held
him back before all of this? Were they just afraid
of being criticized? They didn't want to bring God and
Jesus into the conversation. What was it, scot that held
him back?

Speaker 2 (14:38):
Well, I think that it was different, you know, for
a lot of different people.

Speaker 10 (14:42):
Some people probably felt that it was difficult to say
in a woke culture.

Speaker 2 (14:48):
I mean if you look at what's happening in the
United Kingdom.

Speaker 10 (14:50):
For instance, I mean, people are going to prison for praying,
you know, down the block from an abortion clinic. And
that's the sort of government action, cultural action that is
going to put a very big chill on any demonstrable
display of the Christian faith. And so you can certainly
understand why people would be a little bit reluctant, you know,

(15:13):
to not even just wear it on their sleeves, just
to have it come up periodically when in an organic manner.
But now people are less afraid, at least in America
to do that because when they see masses of people
witnessing and answering an altar call. When they see all

(15:34):
these high ranking government officials professing a genuine, profound faith
in the Bible and in Jesus Christ, it makes it easier.
And I think that is one of the things that's
gonna I think it kind of is like a tipping
point for a new Jesus movement in America.

Speaker 5 (15:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (15:54):
Well, you write about what happened after the turbulent sixties
and seventies. People started going back to church after that, realizing,
you know, everything that went on during the n sex, drugs,
and rock and roll really didn't meet their needs. And
there are reports that the church attendance is up since
the assassination of Charlie Kirk. The question is will it continue, Scott?
Do you think it will?

Speaker 2 (16:15):
Well? I think for some people it certainly will.

Speaker 10 (16:18):
We've seen an awful lot of new interest in Turning
Point USA chapters.

Speaker 2 (16:24):
I saw something earlier.

Speaker 10 (16:26):
Today where the number of new requests for information about
chapters is now.

Speaker 2 (16:31):
In the sixth figure.

Speaker 3 (16:32):
Right.

Speaker 10 (16:33):
Yeah, yeah, you know, a week or two ago they
had about thirty thirty five thousand inquiries and now it's
more than one hundred thousand and presuming that you know,
most of these at least come to fruition.

Speaker 2 (16:45):
Those are like the seeds that are sown.

Speaker 10 (16:49):
And these kids who are starting I don't mean to
use the kid where kids pejoratively.

Speaker 2 (16:54):
These young people, these young people are sowing seeds and
they're going to tend to their gardens. Yeah, I think
that in doing so, they're going to perpetuate this.

Speaker 1 (17:03):
Now, we can only hope. Scott as always great to
having me on the show. Thanks for joining us tonight.

Speaker 2 (17:08):
It's a pleasure to be back.

Speaker 5 (17:09):
Man knock, I'm dead, all right.

Speaker 1 (17:10):
That's Scott Holgenson joining us on our newsmaker line talking
about a possible Jesus revival as a result of the
assassination of Charlie Kirk. It is the Wingman Wednesday edition
of the Rod and Greg Show here on Utah's Talk
Radio one oh five nine. Can arrest more coming up
Wingman Wednesday. If you can believe that as we work
our way through uh September.

Speaker 3 (17:29):
I'm rod ARKit, I'm Citizen Greg Hughes, or on Wednesdays,
I'm Goose.

Speaker 4 (17:35):
I'm a goose. H That's what I am.

Speaker 3 (17:37):
I'm I'm the What am I the navigator, not the
aviator of this of this flash fast flying jet of
a show.

Speaker 5 (17:47):
Does anybody ever walk up to you and call you goose?

Speaker 2 (17:50):
No?

Speaker 4 (17:51):
Nobody does. No one calls me goose. That's okay, though
I get it, I get it.

Speaker 3 (17:56):
I do get a citizen hughes. Though I get a
citizen hughes. Shout out here and there, it's nice.

Speaker 5 (18:00):
Good, good, good good. Well.

Speaker 1 (18:02):
The number one priority right now for Donald Trump is
to do whatever he can to make our streets safe.
Certainly he's made a difference in Washington, d CEE. We'll
see what he can do in other major cities around
the country. But no country provides more opportunities for upward mobility.
I think you would agree, Greg, than the United States
of America. But what do we do about public safety?

Speaker 6 (18:23):
Well?

Speaker 1 (18:24):
Joining us on our Newsmaker line right now is Justin Keeneer.
He is co founder of a new organization called Americans
for Public Safety. Justin, how are you, and welcome to
the Rod and Greig Show. Thanks for joining us this afternoon.

Speaker 11 (18:35):
Justin doing great, Thanks for having me on.

Speaker 5 (18:38):
Justin.

Speaker 1 (18:39):
Let me ask you this exactly, what is your group
all about and what are you attempting to do.

Speaker 11 (18:44):
Well?

Speaker 6 (18:45):
Every day?

Speaker 11 (18:46):
Law enforcement, prosecutor's courts, prison guards, they all step in
to protect our rights, keep us safe. Correct, But lately
we have seen not only a rise in the disrespect
of law enforcement, but we've seen an incredible increase of crime.
The Biden years saw some of the largest increases we've
had in a long time.

Speaker 7 (19:02):
And we are.

Speaker 11 (19:03):
Here to provide support to law enforcement. We're here to
either support or oppose candidates, depending on where they stand
on public safety measures. And we're here to just you know,
the bottom line, let's let's make America safe.

Speaker 3 (19:16):
You know, justin this is I've been I've been putting
us out on social media and it's repetitive, but it's
repetitive on purpose every time ice or law enforcement, and
I like that they're doing this. Now, they're showing these criminals,
these degenerates that they're that they're apprehending, and I put
that criminal is not oppressed. Enforcing the law is not oppression.

(19:37):
Look at what happened today in Dallas and there's you know,
someone opening fire on an ice facility.

Speaker 4 (19:43):
We're seeing so much violence.

Speaker 3 (19:44):
You're seeing judges with the catch and release where dangerous
criminals are out there, the poor woman on the on
the subway system. How how do we a convince people
that law enforcement and protecting and serving is a is
a is a gbal profession. But at the same time
make sure that we have a society that does embrace

(20:06):
law enforcement and make sure that they can do their jobs.
Because right now it looks like the odds are against
our members, our men and women in law enforcement.

Speaker 11 (20:15):
You really hit the nail on the head. Let's start
first with law enforcement. You know, when you go talk
to police officers, they'll say, look, we just want the
respect we deserve. I would say, they've earned. We want
to be a noble profession. Just let us do our jobs.
One of the first things we're going to do is
we lift up their stories. We have a section on
our website called Valor Voices. Our website is a for

(20:35):
public Safety dot com a the number four, and we
lift up those heroes who put their lives on the
line every day and just aren't heard about. We need
to make sure those stories are told. Second, we need
to deliver more respect for them within our justice system.
You know, we have rogue prosecutors and judges all over
this country, mostly in the urban areas, who the cops

(20:55):
will do their jobs and they will arrest these very
dangerous individuals, but then be released either on bail conditions
that don't take into account public safety, or charges will
be dropped, they just won't be pursued. In my hometown
of Austin, Texas, we have a district attorney who just
flat out will not prosecute certain cases Harris counting and
he's I mean, the stories go on and on. The

(21:17):
poor young woman in North Carolina who was murdered by
an individual who had been released multiple times. So we
have both increasing respect for law enforcement by telling the
great stories, and we also need to make sure the
justice system doesn't disrespect law enforcement by keeping people in
jail who they arrest and who are a threat to
public safety.

Speaker 5 (21:36):
Justin.

Speaker 1 (21:36):
Of course, Ice is under attack right now, but I
think a lot of law enforcement agencies around the country
are under attack from people who just don't want apparently
they like crime apparently. Justin, how would you describe morale
right now among the law enforcement community out there? Because
I still think there are a lot of Americans who
support what they want to do and are trying to do.

Speaker 11 (21:58):
Well, America does sport. One reason I think you're seeing
the president focus on it, he is in line with
the voters. So let's talk about morale a little bit.
During the first half of twenty twenty five, we actually
saw nationally a reduction in crime to some extent.

Speaker 7 (22:13):
But what did you not see? There were no major
new laws passed.

Speaker 11 (22:16):
We have a hypothesis that that's likely because police officers
are feeling like someone has their back and their morale
is a little bit better than it was before. And
just like a team that has high morale is going
to perform better, we think law enforcement is too. And
you combine that with the fact that people are now
being held accountable more often, more frequently for bad behavior.
That you're also seeing as a result is individuals less

(22:40):
likely to offend where before they might have thought they
could get.

Speaker 6 (22:43):
Away with it.

Speaker 11 (22:43):
So you combine those two things, then I think that's
going to have some really positive effects for public safety.

Speaker 3 (22:51):
Justin here's a question I have real quickly, So do
people this catching or release and not there being no
consequences for crimes? It is made lawlessness more pervasive. You're
seeing a good president leading out, You're seeing people that
support law enforcement. Does this become a bipartisan issue again
where law enforcement as it once was? Does you don't
be a Republican or a Democrat to be for public safety?

Speaker 4 (23:14):
Or are people just going to leave.

Speaker 3 (23:16):
The Democrat Party all together and the leftists over there
and the Republicans are going to be the ones that
are going to have to carry the day for public
safety in our country. I mean, what happens? Does this
get normal again? Or does everyone just have to get
together on one side of the political aisle to keep
public safety front and center.

Speaker 11 (23:34):
Well, I think the extremes of the Democratic Party are
going to be the most vocal, but there are some
Democrats who will privately work with us to address issues
we saw that We see that actually across the country
right now. There are some Democratic leaders at the state
governors who want to quietly find a way to work
with the Trump administration to bring in federal resources to

(23:56):
their high crime areas. I've had experience working on some
of these issues where several Democrats will come to me
and say, Hey, I can't talk about this publicly, but
I'm going to vote for it because we have to
do something. The crazy thing my party do not represent
me or my voters. Now, I think the voters are
speaking loud and clearly by electing people like Donald Trump
who put a focus on ending violent crime.

Speaker 2 (24:18):
And so you know.

Speaker 11 (24:20):
Why they choose to release individuals who are clear threat
to public safety. I don't know, but I'm glad to
see that it's coming to a stop.

Speaker 5 (24:28):
Justin.

Speaker 1 (24:29):
Final question for you, the mere fact that you've got
a president who is strongly supporting law enforcement. How does
that help, Justin?

Speaker 11 (24:37):
Well, One, like I mentioned before, it increases morale when
law enforcement knows someone has their back, knows that the
Justice Department isn't trying to find any one little ticky
tacky thing to then prosecute you. For Two, it brings
such a public focus where individually its Democrats in some
of these urban areas, they can no longer hide behind

(24:58):
their bad crime statistics because someone's going to talk about
it and put them on the spot and say are
you going to fix it or not. Further, I think
you're going to see continued collaboration between the federal government
and local law enforcement, and we're going to see more
and better solutions as we go by.

Speaker 1 (25:12):
I'm hopeful I am too, Justin thank you for your
a few minutes of your time, and thank you for
the effort that you've undertaken. We appreciate it.

Speaker 5 (25:19):
Thank you. Justin enjoyed the rest of the day.

Speaker 7 (25:22):
Thank you very much.

Speaker 1 (25:23):
All Right, Justin Keener joining us. You're on Utah's Talk
radio one oh five nine. kN R asked, Greg, you're
down there with the sheriffs. How would you describe the
morale down there with the sheriffs here in the state
of Utah.

Speaker 3 (25:34):
You know, I will say that I thought that today's
what this attack on ice, the ice facilities would be
a lot discussed a lot more broadly with with our
sheriffs and our deputy sheriffs, and we have a lot
of other members of law enforcement this conference. I will
tell you, it's starting to feel like another day. They
it's not that they're not upset about it. It is
just there is a conditioning that law enforcement goes through

(25:56):
where when they keep seeing this, all they're talking about
is preparation. They're not they're not complaining, they're not lamenting.
They're just talking about how they have to run through
some many, many scenarios every single day and the preparation
it takes to do their job is really what they're
focus is right now. I mean it's it's and it's not.
It's not animated there.

Speaker 4 (26:17):
Boy, they're not. They don't talk a lot.

Speaker 3 (26:19):
They're they're just very you know, all business. You know,
you can't even get a joke in with these guys.
They're all serious.

Speaker 5 (26:28):
So and you and you fit right in. They don't
talk about right.

Speaker 4 (26:33):
Yeah, here comes Hughes.

Speaker 5 (26:36):
Yeah, all right, more coming up.

Speaker 1 (26:38):
It is the Wingman Wednesday edition of the Rotten Greg
Show right here on Utah's Talk Radio one oh five
nine k n r S.

Speaker 4 (26:45):
But you're welcome, folks to wing on Wednesday.

Speaker 3 (26:47):
You're listening to Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine
k n r S.

Speaker 4 (26:52):
I'm citizen Greg Hughes.

Speaker 3 (26:53):
Go you just a little behind the curve. My navigation
skills a little bit a little late on this one.

Speaker 4 (27:01):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (27:01):
I'm trying to look I got I got screens up. Okay,
these cues. You got to look into the camera when
you're cueing me. Here are you looking away? I don't
know who you're glad that you're waving.

Speaker 5 (27:11):
The waving like crazy at you.

Speaker 4 (27:14):
Yeah, not looking at me though, you're looking over at Denny.
That's what it looks like to me. You and Denny
are having a moment.

Speaker 1 (27:19):
Yeah, all right, enough for that, right, all right. Uh,
two of the two of the people we know in love,
James Coomy and John Bolton, are in the news today.

Speaker 4 (27:33):
Oh, I'm so sad. I'm so sad.

Speaker 5 (27:35):
What's going on with.

Speaker 4 (27:38):
Well, it looks like indictments are imminent. Indictment at least
one indictment. He is.

Speaker 3 (27:43):
It looks like he has leaked what is it, uh,
classified information that is not it's not supposed to be leaked.
He was leaking at himself, instructing others, his others to
leak information in New York Times. It looks I mean,
we can only guess right now, but knowing that the
indictment's coming any moment, and knowing that what's been reported already,

(28:07):
there are people that have gone to jail for the
things that James Comy has done.

Speaker 4 (28:13):
And did we lose him?

Speaker 1 (28:19):
I think we may have lost them. All right, We'll
see if we can hook up with Craig again. He's
broadcasting live today down there in Saint George, and we
hoped to open a hook up with him again. Of course,
he was talking about James Comy. Now, when it comes
to John Bolton, federal agents executing a search warrant at
the downtown office of the former National Security Advisor in
late August apparently seeded a cache of documents marked as

(28:42):
classified and the office mission was the second such raid
conducted by the FBI. And apparently they have found a
like I said, a cash of documents labeled either secret
or classified on John Bolton's offense. Now, remember John Bolton.
When the raid at Donald Trump's Mora Algo facility took place,

(29:02):
John Bolton was very critical of Donald Trump for keeping
this classified information. But apparently John Bolton has done the same.
And Greg, I think we have you back. Do we
have you back, mister Hughes, I think were?

Speaker 3 (29:15):
I think there's some there's some leftists down here trying
to silence me. I don't even know where they're coming from,
but I'm tired of the silence.

Speaker 4 (29:22):
You know, they've been messing with me since I got
on here.

Speaker 3 (29:24):
I don't get the queue, and now my whole thing
got disconnected. And that's I'm it's it's leftists. They silenced everyone,
including me on this program. They don't want me to
speak the truth. I'll tell you what I've seen. Jake tappersay. Already, Rod,
and ladies and gentlemen, they're already saying, of any of
these indictments, b it John Bolton, be it Comy. It
doesn't matter the amount of evidence that they're going to bring.

(29:47):
This is all political retribution from Donald Trump. None of
it has any merit to it at all. And that
is pretty rich given how much they attacked Donald Trump
and had to create laws even to to do it,
and even appellate courts in New York which are not
known to be conservative or anything that have thrown them
out because they're so specious and just indefensible. But now

(30:11):
they're turning around saying that that the Bolton indictment and
that the Kombe indictment, it's just simple political retribution.

Speaker 4 (30:19):
That's all it is.

Speaker 5 (30:20):
That's all it is.

Speaker 1 (30:20):
All Right, We've got another full hour coming your way
of the Rod and Greg Show on this wing Man Wednesday,
hen Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine. Can alright,
stay with us. More coming up here in northern Utah
and down in southern Utah as well. That's where our

(30:41):
mister Hughes is broadcasting live from Today. Hi everybody, I'm
Rod Arquette.

Speaker 3 (30:46):
I'm sitting in Greg Hughes and yes, I can report
that it is sunny skies. It is very nice. It's
liberty Land down here in Washington County. And yeah, I'm
holding the fort down here. Someone tried to tried to
censor me in the last segment, but I overcame it.
I will not let the leftist take over this show
from down here. So I'm battling. I'm battling out down here,

(31:09):
so you know.

Speaker 5 (31:11):
You are all right.

Speaker 1 (31:12):
I want to talk Greg about ice and what is
taking place in this country when it comes to ice.
There are so many I mean, Gavin Newsomo. I saw
a clip of him earlier today. He was on Colbert's
show last night just ripping into Ice, saying basically that
Ice is Donald Trump's domestic army and is tearing people

(31:32):
off the street without any due process whatsoever. And the
rhetoric just gets more heated each and every day. And
of course we have this shooting this morning down a
Dallas at about six forty Dallas time, where a man
got up on a roof with a rifle and started
chewing at an ice facility as they were unloading detainees
now and now Cash Bettel, the FBI director, comes out

(31:56):
and shows these bullets with anti ice on the bullets,
and you're saying, okay. And we saw that last two
weeks ago with the shooting of Charlie Kirk, the assassination
of Charlie Kirk. I mean, I don't know about you, Greg,
but this is not going to stop. In my opinion,
it may just get worse because you've got a you know,

(32:19):
the Democrats and those on the far left who just
won't turn down the rhetoric.

Speaker 3 (32:26):
Well until it stops working, why would they, rod Honestly,
it worked with I mean, you've got the richest man
in the world in Elon Musk, and they were able
to effectively put a wedge between him and the president,
get him out of.

Speaker 4 (32:39):
His leadership of DOGE. All the good work he was
doing there.

Speaker 3 (32:43):
I mean, I think the man Elon Musk, personally saved
freedom of speech in this country by buying Twitter, which
actually changed the momentum. But yet they successfully by destroying
his dealerships, by vandalizing the people that owned Tesla Automo bills,
his stakeholder, his shareholders, the company. Everyone pressured him and

(33:05):
he had to quit. And so look if they can.
If they do not stop this violence, there is the hope,
and it's worked so far for the left that America
will say to Ice, if you just stop enforcing the law,
we'll stop seeing all this violence and we'll feel safer
if you just stop what you're doing. I hope that
America is keeping close inventory of all this, and I
hope the left has overplayed their hand. But that's why

(33:28):
they're doing it, because it's worked up till now.

Speaker 4 (33:31):
They've had it.

Speaker 3 (33:31):
They have it. They're bat in a thousand, scaring Americans
out of positions that they've had and and and so
it's going to take all of us to push back
and be undaunted by it. And fear is a powerful thing. Yeah,
it can be contagious.

Speaker 5 (33:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (33:45):
And you know what, Greg, it's obvious the left hates Ice.
So what do they do. They attack, They attack, they attack.
And after the shooting in Dallas this morning, I want
to play this again for you. Ted Cruz pleaded with
those on the left to stop.

Speaker 3 (34:01):
This.

Speaker 8 (34:01):
States to stop violence is wrong. Politically motivated violence is wrong.
It was two weeks ago today that we saw a
political assassination in Utah that tore the heart out of
much of this country. This is the third shooting in

(34:22):
Texas directed at ICE or CBP.

Speaker 6 (34:27):
This must stop.

Speaker 8 (34:30):
To every politician who is using rhetoric demonizing ICE and
demonizing CBP, stop to every politician demanding that ICE agents
be docksed and calling for people to go after their families.

Speaker 2 (34:47):
Stop.

Speaker 8 (34:49):
This has very real consequences. Look, in America, we disagree.
That's fine, that's the democratic process. But your political opponents
are not Nazis.

Speaker 1 (35:00):
Calling calling those of us on the right, Greg, Nazis
fascists is so wrong. But they they aren't going to
give up, Greg. They simply are not going to stop.

Speaker 3 (35:09):
You know, I've seen some I don't know whether the
trust or not, the profile of who the suspect is
that open fires. So I'm not going to get too
deep into that today the day that it's happened.

Speaker 4 (35:20):
But I think as the days go on, if some of.

Speaker 3 (35:23):
The reports are crew, I think there's a pattern even
to who's doing these attacks and who's motivated by this
hate from the left, and.

Speaker 4 (35:33):
They aren't. You're right, they're not going to stop.

Speaker 3 (35:36):
It's worked up till now, and they don't have anything
else they can do. They have to silence people because
they can't argue, they can't debate it in the you know,
pre market of ideas. The people that they're removing into
porting are if you read their rap sheets, you can't
believe they were loose to be found to be removed.
They are so reprehensible. And I'm seeing this. I'm watching

(35:59):
all the New Orleans ice, the Dalla, the Denver ice,
the San Diego ice, the Salt Lake City ice, now
the you know, the nation the federal ice.

Speaker 4 (36:08):
I watch.

Speaker 3 (36:09):
I'm on their algorithm and I love it. But I'm
telling you the people they were moving, every American, without
regard to park political affiliation, should be pretty happy they're
doing the job they're doing because these are not These
are not oppressed people, and it is not oppression to
enforce the law.

Speaker 4 (36:26):
And that's and that's it.

Speaker 3 (36:27):
But that's that's a debate that's going to continue to
go because they they they they brought fifteen million people
into one day vote or at least to draw congressional
districts so they could control the House of Representatives. They
don't want that plan to be interrupted, and this is
interrupting that plan.

Speaker 1 (36:42):
Yeah, well, who is against taking bad guys off the street? Craig,
can you Is there anybody out there democrats?

Speaker 5 (36:49):
Apparently? So now you know.

Speaker 1 (36:51):
Another part of the story today was a Behid director
Cash Betel a short time ago revealed that written on
a bullet at the seat of the shooting in Dallas
today was anti Ice. Okay, so what does MSNBC do.
They bring out a so called expert who claims the
idea of writing messages like that on rounds or bullet

(37:12):
so to speak, is not a left wing idea. But
he goes back and says, no, it's those crazy right
wingers who started this the writing.

Speaker 12 (37:21):
The first time we really saw that was Breton Tarrant
in the christ Church shootings shooting in a mosque in
New Zealand, and he was a fierce you know, white
supremacists and neo Nazi and wrote all over his weapon
and his rounds very hateful information. So to see this

(37:44):
coming from uh, you know, potentially the other side of
the political spectrum is a little strange because it is
not something you know, if you are trying to uh
you know, carry out some kind of message countering you know,
more extreme right wing stuff. I don't know why you would,

(38:07):
you know, use a tactic that a famous white supremacist
who has been revered and copycattered over the years by
other white supremacists.

Speaker 2 (38:17):
Why you would do that?

Speaker 12 (38:17):
But it does appear that people are moving in that
direction because they want people to know what they're doing
and why they're doing it. Again, terrorism is theater. They
want people to understand their message and why they're doing that.

Speaker 1 (38:30):
No see so see Greg, The idea behind this is
a right wing idea to write your hateful messages on
your bullets. That came from the right wing. It's not
a left wing idea. So let's blame the right wing again.

Speaker 3 (38:43):
I don't know who this former FBI official is, but
he he's as deranged.

Speaker 5 (38:48):
As as they are.

Speaker 3 (38:50):
Dare I say Jimmy Kimmel because his rewriting of history
is absolutely bizarre, A little strange that they're copying this
white premise, this Australian who went to New Zealand and
shot up a mosque five and six and a half
years ago. It is so strange that the left would

(39:10):
take the copycat the etching on the rounds and on
the weapons that were used six and a half years
ago in New Zealand by an Australian. Are you keeping score,
mister former FBI guy? How about in December of twenty
four when Luigi shot the healthcare ceo etching you know,

(39:31):
messages on the casings of his of the bullets. How
about the guy that shot up the Catholic school all
over his weapons and his and his bullets, he etched
messages all over it. Then you had the Charlie Kirk
shooting where they etched he where he etched messages on
the casings of the bullets. This guy goes six and

(39:52):
a half years ago. You just have to go back
the August and September of this very year. And the
left is doing this. How he gets to this is
a little strange. How do they take how do they
copy this Australian that's in New Zealand six and a
half years ago? No, pal, it's not that it's the
leftist that are killing the assassinated the healthcare ceo who

(40:14):
shot up that Catholic school and who's politically assassinated Charlie Kirk.
All of that had the etchings on weapons as well
as rounds. Yeah, and then and that guy's not omitting it.

Speaker 1 (40:25):
Yeah, and then you have this story. Have you heard
this latest story on ICE. There's this story out there
that a little girl, I think she's five or six
years old was being held hostage by ICE until her
father turned himself in. Okay, that was the story over
the last couple of days on MSNBC. They're pushing this story.
They're pushing this story. Guess what, all the hopes, no

(40:47):
truth to it whatsoever. But you know what, the general
public out there will hear stories like this and believe them,
and that is what the left is doing. So they
attack ICE, calling them every name in the book, creating
these hope stories about dragging poor moms and children out
of schools and into detention centers where none of that
is happening whatsoever. You have Gavin Newsom out there saying, well,

(41:11):
you know they wear a mask, we should ducts all
of them. You have to take the mask off. Is
asking protesters to take their mask offs? Of course not so.
I don't know, Greg. This is getting so frustrating. These
people of ICE, who are working to make our streets
safe are doing a very tough job, and they're doing
a job that we have asked them to do and

(41:32):
they're doing it the right way. Here we have the
left joint after them. And I don't know about you, Greg,
I'd like to hear what our callers have to say
on this tonight and our listeners tonight, because I think
ICE is doing the job that we want them to do.
We are asking to do an impossibility in some cases,
but they're doing it. They're keeping their head down and

(41:53):
boys got to be a tough job out there. And
I'd like know if people are happy what they see
and hear what Ice is doing.

Speaker 4 (42:00):
That's right.

Speaker 3 (42:00):
And again, that MSNBC reporter that brought that FBI guy on,
that reporter certainly knows the current events and how those things,
the details of the copycat you know, etching things on
bullets and casings. She could should have corrected him, but
I don't know. Let's just throw some more you know,
gasoling on this. I'm reading right now the Hillary Clinton

(42:21):
You know what the big problem is. She said it
on Morning Joe today. She's warning that it's the rise
of Christianity. The rise of Christianity. White Christian men are
causing such damage to the United States. That is how
she has taken all the violence that has happened as
of late, and she is laying it at the feet

(42:42):
of Christianity, and in particular white Christian men and all
the damage that they are causing to this country. You know,
I guess, I guess you can say that, but it
wouldn't have any feather to the truth in reality.

Speaker 2 (42:57):
So that's just me.

Speaker 4 (42:59):
May listeners have a different take?

Speaker 1 (43:01):
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Speaker 4 (43:21):
Thank you for joining us. I'm citizen Greg Hughes.

Speaker 1 (43:24):
And I'm Rod Urkkeatt. Well, as you just mentioned a
moment ago, Greg, we have now found the answer to
all the problems in this country today. Hillary Clinton, appearing
on MSNBC today The Morning Joe Show, enlightened just as
to who to blame for what is taking place in
this country. Here's what she said.

Speaker 13 (43:41):
The idea that you could turn the clock back and
try to recreate a world that never was dominated by
you know, let's say it, white men of a certain persuasion,
a certain religion, a certain point of view, a certain
ideology is just doing such damage to what we should

(44:02):
be aiming for. And we were on the path toward that,
I mean imperfectly. Lots of you know, bumps along the way,
but I agree with you, we were on the right trajectory.

Speaker 1 (44:11):
Let me let me see that's the answer, Greg It's
white men of a Christian faith, That's all it is.

Speaker 4 (44:18):
And the deplorables are still out and about. She can't
get rid of.

Speaker 3 (44:22):
All these deplorables, us deplorables. We continue to be the
problem in Hillary Clinton's worldview, not just hers, but all
the leftists.

Speaker 4 (44:31):
But isn't that amazing?

Speaker 3 (44:32):
You see all this violence, you see all that they're saying,
all the rhetoric they're using. Uh, if you flip the
coin the other way, and you just had a if
Biden was in office and these were people from the
right saying and doing the things they were doing, they
would have no trouble dissecting what's happening in front of us.
But somehow, all the things that the left is doing
it all boils down to Christianity, white men, Christian men.

(44:57):
It's the deplorables ra that's that's that's the problem in
their in their mind. And look until I see I
will say it. I don't mean to be I'm not
our listeners. I'm not including our listeners in this group.
But I think Americans until we prove them wrong, because
they're they're batting I think a thousand, creating fear, creating

(45:17):
false accusations, and everyone just wants to not be you know,
misunderstood or misrepresented, and they just want calm, and they're
willing to walk away from what they believe or pe
or for for safety.

Speaker 4 (45:30):
They think, uh, it's it.

Speaker 3 (45:32):
They left, will keep doing it until we just actually
get fired up and and and just don't let it
slow us down, and we keep going.

Speaker 5 (45:38):
But we'll see yeah, yeah, go ahead.

Speaker 3 (45:41):
No, I just I just think it's I think we're
still in the middle of this story. I just think
when I wake up today and or I find out
we've got yet another shooting and it's lunic to someone
that's open fire by the way, killing detainees. If they're
so anti ice, they really they missed, they hit the
wrong people.

Speaker 4 (45:58):
They're just so crazy. They don't even they're right people.
They're just out of their minds.

Speaker 3 (46:02):
But again, I realized that they don't even feel like, Wow,
we might be losing this cause because everybody's recoiling Sunday's Memorial. No,
if they're undaunted, they keep going and they're hastening the pace.
What happens with the normies? What happens with the Americans? Everyday? Americans?

(46:23):
I'm interested to see. I don't know the answer, frankly,
you know, I.

Speaker 1 (46:26):
Think one of the answers is greg those of us
on the right are jealous, you know. I think we're
jealous of the left. We want to walk in the
shoes of Hillary Clinton because she is so perfect. Everyone
on the left never makes a mistake. They are so
perfect that we are jealous of them and we want
to walk in their shoes. Doesn't it come down to that.
I mean, we're jealous because they are perfectly. They are wonderful,

(46:48):
they know what this country, they know what freedom is
all about. And apparently those of us on the right
dome So see, we're just jealous. I think that's what
it comes down to.

Speaker 4 (46:58):
Think about.

Speaker 3 (47:00):
I want a country that never was we want to
go back to a country that neverwise, what is she saying?

Speaker 4 (47:06):
I mean she just I mean again.

Speaker 5 (47:08):
It's it's Hillary.

Speaker 3 (47:10):
And this is why they don't want debate. It's why
they don't want debate, and they just want to silence you.
And they sent and censory because that that statement can't
live in a conversation with someone who kind of knows
the truth. And that's almost that's everybody nowadays. I mean
when she says that, unless you're cut from a very
radical cloth, if you hear that and go really, yeah, really,

(47:30):
I just don't think. But they don't want to debate,
They don't want to speak to anybody. They just want to,
you know, make it afraid to have your opinions yours?

Speaker 1 (47:37):
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(47:59):
I'm brought our.

Speaker 4 (47:59):
Care, I'm citizen Greg Hughes, Sorry.

Speaker 5 (48:03):
I'm laughing.

Speaker 1 (48:04):
How much attention have you been paying, Greg to all
the interviews that Kamala is doing about her new book
one hundred and seven excuses.

Speaker 4 (48:13):
Yeah, I can't.

Speaker 3 (48:14):
I can't watch it because it's just so, it's just
such bad comedy. Again, she's she was coronated. She didn't
have to go through a single debate, election, primary, nothing.
She was just handed it with a billion dollars to
run for one hundred and seven days, and she couldn't.
She couldn't get it done. And there's nobody that could

(48:35):
blow it as bad as she did. So I don't
even want to hear how she described such a debacle
because it was a debacle.

Speaker 1 (48:42):
Well she I mean, first of all, she has now
apparently in the book she called.

Speaker 5 (48:48):
Timmy a fat guy, you.

Speaker 1 (48:54):
Picked him, and then today she said she was Apparently
Jory Reid has a show. I thought Joy Reid disappeared,
was off MSNBC, but apparently she has the show. And
Kamala admitted that she does not have all the answers.

Speaker 3 (49:11):
We know, breaking news, breaking news, she doesn't have. How
about she doesn't have all the answers? How About she
doesn't have any She doesn't have any. What would you
do differently than President Biden?

Speaker 2 (49:25):
Nothing really comes to mind.

Speaker 4 (49:26):
I don't know nothing, And.

Speaker 1 (49:28):
She basically she basically repeated that on The View yesterday
she was asked the same question again and basically said
basically the same thing. She does not know how to
answer a question.

Speaker 6 (49:40):
Support.

Speaker 4 (49:42):
She's like, God, Donald Trump, he's a communist?

Speaker 3 (49:47):
What about Zoolander? This, Mom Donnie, do you support him?
I support all Democrat nominees. Oh, there's a strong answer.
There's some profiles and courage. Yeah, yeah, Trump's the communist.
But she supports Mom Donnie sort of because she supports
she qualifies it as I support all Democrats.

Speaker 4 (50:04):
Yeah yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (50:05):
Well she's based throwing everybody under the bus and her career,
Greg Toast gone, see you later.

Speaker 3 (50:12):
People think this means that she wants to run because
she's trying to bring down all her potential competition a notch.
That would mean she'd have to debate, That would mean
she actually have to run a campaign. Remember her first
foray into this in twenty twenty, she dropped out before
the Iowa caucuses. She was gone before the first vote
ever took place. And so she's never even faced a

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primary or a caucus, and she thinks that by some
people think that by going after Gavin Newsom, she called
him he I don't know why she'd have met this
in the book.

Speaker 4 (50:46):
Hey I'm hiking. I'll call you right back. Call crickets. Crickets.
Never called again, it's anyway. She just goes out.

Speaker 3 (50:55):
She rips on Josh Shapiro, the Pennsylvania governor. He just
wanted to know what kind of art he could bring
in to the to the to the vice presidential residents.

Speaker 4 (51:04):
And on and on and on.

Speaker 5 (51:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (51:06):
I think if she wants to run, I think she'll
find running where she's not coronated with a billion dollars,
but having to raise her own money and actually having
a debate and run in states primaries will be a
new experience for her. And I don't know that she's
quite ready for that.

Speaker 5 (51:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (51:22):
Well, and for her, like I said, she is throwing
everybody under the bus, uh, blaming everybody but herself, even
though we we've talked about this a lot during the
campaign and even after the campaign. Maybe one of the
worst political candidates we've ever seen out there. I mean,
I don't know about you, Greg, but you there's somewhere
on the edge. But you could just tell she did

(51:43):
not have it. She could not relate to people. Nobody,
you know, bothered to really like her. She was just
an unlikable person. And that's why America said we don't
want you.

Speaker 4 (51:56):
Did I hear you?

Speaker 11 (51:57):
Right?

Speaker 3 (51:57):
She called Governor Walls a big fatso Yeah, well that's
fat shaming. I didn't think left. I didn't think the
left did that.

Speaker 5 (52:07):
Apparently she's not wrong.

Speaker 3 (52:08):
Yeah, he's a fat soo. But it was the happy
hands that really killed him. I don't know about those
happy hands.

Speaker 7 (52:15):
That wave.

Speaker 4 (52:16):
He had a wave going that was just kind of
off putting.

Speaker 1 (52:18):
I'd say, well, you know, you know he's a hunter
and he wears flannel shirts.

Speaker 4 (52:23):
Yeah yeah, and he like.

Speaker 3 (52:27):
I say, he's the lowest low t hunter in America.

Speaker 2 (52:30):
That's what I say.

Speaker 1 (52:33):
Oh, I tell you what. All right, we've chatted enough
about Kablo. We've chat I'm impressive. We haven't talked about
Kimmel today, just at the very beginning of the show.
But we left it there because really, nobody nobody cares.

Speaker 4 (52:45):
You say that. You and I made a pack before
the show even started.

Speaker 3 (52:48):
We weren't even going to bring him up, and then
you started brought him up, and then now you're bringing
him up again. He's dead to me. He's like I,
I pay more attention to wallpaper. Yeah, there's there is nothing.
I don't even know that name anymore. I don't even
know who you're talking about. It's over.

Speaker 1 (53:06):
Yeah, we won't hear his name much longer. I can
guarantee you that. And I still love that.

Speaker 5 (53:10):
Well.

Speaker 1 (53:10):
I don't want to get into this, all right, it's
such an easy target. But to nobody cares you.

Speaker 4 (53:20):
You're the one. You were the one that resolved. You
said to me, now, Greg, we're not gonna do it.
We're done.

Speaker 3 (53:24):
We're done, okay, And I said, yes, I agree with you.
I saw the light and here you are. This is
kind of like your Swift the addiction where you don't
want to talk about Taylor Swift every day and you
just bring her up no matter what. You saw that
that Travis Kelsey during that game got yelled at by
coach Andy Reid because Taylor Swift.

Speaker 4 (53:43):
He got yelled at.

Speaker 3 (53:44):
The sideline and you and I both know it was
because she was saying, you know what you do, Taylor.

Speaker 5 (53:48):
Swift is distracting that you do not know.

Speaker 3 (53:51):
That he was having an intervention on that sideline with
Travis Kelsey telling him quit thinking about and talking to
your dumb girlfriend because it's distracting you. You're not running
your routes, right and I know you were just appalled
by that.

Speaker 5 (54:04):
Sure, So all.

Speaker 1 (54:05):
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(54:26):
Wingman Wednesday edition on Talk Radio one oh five nine knrs.
I'm Goose and I'm roder Our, Just Goose. I brought
our kit. It was two weeks ago today, Greg, believe
it or not, that Charlie Kirk was assassinated down on
the campus of Utah Valley University. Of course, the tour
will continue. They've got a date coming up. I think
it is next Tuesday up at Utah State University. And

(54:47):
there's a breaking story tonight, Greg at Tennessee State University.
I'm not sure where that is, but apparently some conservative
students were forced off campus today by another group of
students who are protesting them being on campus. And they
were forced off campus today. And then there's a report
tonight out Tonight. This is coming from the TPUSA group

(55:08):
reporting that at Georgetown University there is now a flyer
being passed around the university inviting students to join a
new club that hated Charlie Kirk and that they can
stand up and express their opinion that they hate anything
Charlie Kirk stood for. So you can just starting to
you're just starting to see it, Greg. It is starting

(55:28):
to sweep the nation. And I don't know where this
is going to lead, but it scares the daylights out
of me. I don't know about you, Greg, Well, you.

Speaker 3 (55:36):
Know what, tough times don't last, tough people do. This
will be a test for this country in terms of
its trajectory. It's it's getting tougher, it's getting more violent.
They're getting more aggressive.

Speaker 4 (55:48):
You know.

Speaker 3 (55:48):
I thought that just being opposed to murder with a
period at the end of that sentence was kind of
where we all were Yeah, No.

Speaker 4 (55:55):
It's now there's a butt and at that.

Speaker 3 (55:58):
Whether it's that Georgetown flyer or anything else, it's I
oppose murder.

Speaker 4 (56:02):
But Charlie Kirk, Oh he deserved it. Oh Charlie Kirk.

Speaker 3 (56:05):
He's a racist, he's a Nazi, he's a fascist, he's whatever.
This moral uh subjectivity that they have, this the the
situational logic they apply. You know, I just think they're
they're going to continue to push and what they're really after,
rodd is is the opposite of what Charlie Kirk was after.

Speaker 4 (56:26):
They're not after open dialogue. I I agree.

Speaker 3 (56:28):
I think I have liberal friends that are Democrats that
will have a debate and a discussion with me about policy.
Leftists want to silence you. They want no discussion, and
they don't want you to be appear on social media.
You're disinformation, you're misinformation. You're not allowed to and they
don't want to have a debate. And they're going to
push that harder. And it's going to be up to

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Americans whether they decide to go along with it or
whether they're going to be more resolved and push back.
And it's going to get I think harder to do
now because they are they are getting so aggress And look,
if we had a clock, you ever see that it
was workplaces where so many days.

Speaker 4 (57:05):
Without an accident and you see the days click up. Okay, well, if.

Speaker 3 (57:08):
We had so many days in America without a terrorist attack,
how many days did we last?

Speaker 4 (57:14):
We went from September tenth.

Speaker 3 (57:16):
To what's today's date, the September twenty fourth, so we
went fourteen day, we went twenty. So put the clock
back to zero again. Now we've got to start counting again.
We were up to fourteen days without a terror attack
from the left.

Speaker 4 (57:29):
Where now we're zero. We're gonna have to start counting
up again.

Speaker 3 (57:32):
That is that's crazy. It's crazy. And to think that
even the shooting of the of the kids in the
Catholic school was in August of this year, which is
in August.

Speaker 4 (57:42):
I mean, it's just something else.

Speaker 3 (57:45):
I just really do think we're going to have to
get tougher in the times that we're in right now
because the left wants to make it tougher.

Speaker 1 (57:51):
Well, I think, I think, Greg, what is taking place,
in my opinion, Greg, is that what is taking place
in this country today, It is really telling where the
Democrats and those on the left are today there are
Have you heard of one Democratic leader out there who
has come out and condemned what is taking place on
our college campuses or condemned these political violent attacks, Grage.

(58:15):
Have you heard one person even say, Josh, we need
this stuff. This is may be right, John Fetterman maybe
who's coming out and saying this is not what this
party is all about, and it shouldn't be. I'm afraid
that is what this party is all about anymore. On
the Democratic side, they they they're in favor of killing

(58:37):
people if they disagree with you, of running you off
a campus, if they disagree with you, of shutting down
your free speech, if they disagree with you. That is
the modern day Democratic Party. And I hope the American
people are waking up and seeing that and will voice
their objection to it in a peaceful way, unlike the
Democrats who think they can the only way they can

(58:58):
deliver and get attention through violence, And that's what they're
doing right now.

Speaker 3 (59:03):
And they're and they're betting the farm that what Americans
will do otherwise is just the path of least resistance,
which is to shrug their shoulders and go I'm just
it's just too much to get involved. It's just too
much drama to get involved. I'm just gonna go ahead
and you know, do my daily routine, and I'm just
they're just gonna they think they're gonna they're going to
have a chilling effect on this movement that they see

(59:23):
happening in front of them. And instead of maybe being
ashamed or quiet or not wanting the attention after that
memorial service that happened for Charlie Kirk on Sunday, like
I kind of thought they'd be embarrassed and they would
try to stay out of the limelight. Here we are
on a Wednesday where they're they're shooting at a ice facility,
killing people. Uh, they're not slowing down. They kicked conservatives

(59:46):
off a campus. Uh you know, as you just reported.
I They're not they're they're they're they're not doubling down,
they're tripling down. And we'll see how, you know, we'll
see how Americans respond to it. I think everyday Americans
have to really be resolved to not let bullies bully them.
And and I'm not including us or unlisting audience. I

(01:00:08):
have every faith that we're we're on the right side
of this. But for the rest of it, we have
to for those that we know and love, and we
have to we have to, you know, get them ready
just they just have to be involved in like you said,
not in a violent way, just in that peaceful but
very direct and with vim and vigor. We are going
to make our case and we are not going to
apologize for public safety, self determination, UH, enforcing the law, UH,

(01:00:34):
enforcing the border, having a border.

Speaker 4 (01:00:36):
We're not going to apologize for those things.

Speaker 1 (01:00:39):
All right, Moore, coming up here on the Rod and
Greg Show, Our number three is on its way on
Utah's Talk radio one oh five nine.

Speaker 5 (01:00:46):
Stay with us.

Speaker 4 (01:00:49):
Well, we got a great hour in store.

Speaker 3 (01:00:51):
We're gonna have a very interesting discussion about Charlie Kirk's uh,
you know, his political assassination. What does it say about America?
What to say about you, todh There's a spiritual war
going on. I think we've talked about it before. I've
not been one to use religious terms, but I think
we're it's front and center. We were confronting evil in
real time. We're also at this hour going to be

(01:01:12):
speaking with Bill King. He's a fellow in public finance,
Baker Institute. How many immigrants have left the United States
on their own self deportation. It's a thing. It's a thing.
It's all the rage. I hope we'll find out more. Yeah, Yeah,
we'll find out.

Speaker 4 (01:01:29):
So a lot to go.

Speaker 1 (01:01:31):
Over, more than more than we think. Greg, you and
I have talked about this, and I think we've we
try and explain this to people, and I think a
lot of people recognize this now, especially after what happened
two weeks ago today, what happened in Dallas this morning.
There is evil in the world, and I think most
people recognize that now. They do not want to bring
in the spiritual aspect of all of this, but a

(01:01:53):
lot of us are willing to talk about it, and
we should because there is evil going against those of
us who believe and have a faith in God and
the Lord Jesus Christ. Right there is evil out there,
and there is a spiritual war going on right now, Well,
let's talk more about that. He writes about this often.
His name is Billy Hallowell. He is a host of

(01:02:14):
Faith Wire and CBN, also a contributor at the Blades. Billy,
thanks for joining us tonight. You wrote in your article
a quote from a pastor, Samuel Rodriguez. He's president of
the National Hispanic Christian Leadership Conference, and he said last
week that the age of civility is over and we've
entered into the proverbial slipreach slope where rhetorical violence becomes

(01:02:37):
physical violence. Billy, that is quite a statement.

Speaker 14 (01:02:40):
Yeah, you know, I think that we are dealing right
now with a situation where you have a lot of
unwell people spiritually mentally. These unwell people are hearing rhetoric
that is repeated over and over and over. And don't
hear me wrong on this, because at the end of
the day, a person who pulls a trigger, that is
the person responsible. But we have had such intense political

(01:03:01):
social dynamic in this country that when you're calling people hitler,
when you're calling people Nazis, when you're saying that people
are dangerous, when you're saying if you elect this person,
it will destroy your country, your democracy will go away.
When you call ice all sorts of names constantly, there
is going to be there are going to be people
who are not well mentally and spiritually who react to that.

(01:03:22):
And I think what we're watching right now is that
reaction unfold We've seen it repeatedly with assassination attempts, an
actual assassination with Charlie Kirk, and we've also seen it
with other events of late that have unfolded. So the
point is we need to start looking at what we're
saying and take some responsibility over those words.

Speaker 3 (01:03:42):
You know, Billy, when this first, you know, in Utah,
when Charlie Kirk was assassinated, it just cuts us very
deep in the state of Utah. It's not who we
feel we are as a state. I was quick to
look at the kid that this assassin's age of twenty two,
and I thought, wow, we've got these kids that are
lost in social media and all that. But in the

(01:04:03):
aftermath of that assassination, I was staggered by the people
in positions of trust. They were a secret service agent,
members of the military, a doctor, a nurse, educators, principles
that were celebrating or defending this Charlie Kirk's murder. Were
you surprised, because I find that demonic?

Speaker 4 (01:04:25):
Did you?

Speaker 3 (01:04:25):
Were you surprised at the number of people that seemed
to celebrate, or excuse, or even promote the Charlie Kirk's
murder being across the board, not just Generation Z.

Speaker 6 (01:04:38):
I was not surprised anymore. And this is what it is.
It is absolutely demonic.

Speaker 14 (01:04:43):
It's from the pits of hell, the fact that anybody
would rejoice in dismiss even add a butt. There were
all these people who felt the need to say, well,
it's horrible he was killed. But how in the world
is there anything that you could say other than this
is horrific.

Speaker 6 (01:04:58):
It should not have happened.

Speaker 14 (01:05:00):
And not only are these people doing that, the language
is continuing. You have people like Randy Weingarten, the head
of the the AFT.

Speaker 6 (01:05:08):
She has a book out.

Speaker 14 (01:05:09):
In fairness to her, she wrote this book before this
event happened.

Speaker 6 (01:05:13):
It's called Why Fascists Fear Teachers? Okay?

Speaker 14 (01:05:16):
And that title alone is horrific. But that the fact
that anybody thought it was okay to write a book
Why Fascist Fear Teachers put it out there. This is
the rhetoric that has gotten us here. So that evil
that we saw, after the fact, we have bread this
and so I'm no longer surprised by how nasty people
can be and disgusting they can be. But here's the thing,

(01:05:38):
And as a Christian, I have to pull myself back
and I have to say, you have to be very
lost and confused, and you have to be in a
very bad place as a human being, and you really
need the Lord if you think that that is an
appropriate reaction to somebody's public assassination. And so yeah, I'm
not surprised, but I am really trying to encourage people.

Speaker 6 (01:05:57):
We have to call it out for what it is.

Speaker 14 (01:05:59):
It is evil to reac that way, but we also
have to, I think, take these people to prayer because
they really need it.

Speaker 5 (01:06:05):
Billy, let me ask you.

Speaker 1 (01:06:06):
I think many of us were simply stunned as we
watched the memorial service on Sunday when Erica stepped up
and struggled obviously, but said she forgave the man who
shot and killed her husband. Greg and I talked about
this on the show on Monday. We aren't there yet,
I mean, finding forgiveness in our hearts right now for
this guy very very difficult. What are your thoughts on that,

(01:06:28):
and how do people get there, if they're ever going
to get there, to find forgiveness in their hearts for
what was done?

Speaker 14 (01:06:35):
You know, I flew out for the memorial on Saturday morning,
so I was there on Sunday and I saw that,
and I saw her reaction, her physical reaction in her
body as she said those words.

Speaker 6 (01:06:46):
And we all saw it.

Speaker 14 (01:06:47):
But being there and sensing the reaction of the room,
it was one of the most powerful things I have
ever seen.

Speaker 6 (01:06:55):
You know, how do we get there?

Speaker 14 (01:06:56):
I mean, here's the radical thing about and I'll just
I guess I'll pre a little bit here from the
Christian perspective, and this is will help people understand because
I've talked to people who have said, how could Erica forgive?

Speaker 6 (01:07:06):
How could she do that? The radical message of.

Speaker 14 (01:07:09):
The Bible is that even this shooter, even this alleged
killer who did this, that person, if he turns his
life around and turns to Jesus and changes his life,
he can go to heaven, just like Charlie did. That's
the radical message of forgiveness. And that's a hard thing
for people to understand, but it is possible to change.
And she offered that forgiveness to him. And here's the

(01:07:33):
other thing about forgiveness, And this is so important. A
lot of us go through life with anger, and you
would understand why after an event like this, somebody like
Erica would be angry. Right, Certainly, but she is choosing
not to be controlled by that anger. When you refuse
to forgive, you are controlled by the anger and the
resentment that is directed at the person who did it.
And so it's really forgiveness more for us than it

(01:07:53):
is for the other person.

Speaker 6 (01:07:54):
So I'll stop there. But it is remarkable.

Speaker 3 (01:07:59):
So we're talking about the Charlie Kirk assassination, but now
today we have yet another people have died, there's been
another violent attack, etchings on bullet casings and bullets.

Speaker 4 (01:08:11):
Anti Ice, tell me what I would have thought.

Speaker 3 (01:08:15):
We would have at least tamped things down with the
reaction to Charlie Kirk's assassination. But it doesn't feel slowing down.
It almost feels like it's accelerating. What do you expect
to happen going forward?

Speaker 14 (01:08:29):
I think we're living in the midst of a very
real spiritual battle, and I think human beings always have
I think what you're watching right now, I mean the
joke is on the devil, right, Charlie Kirk dies and
everybody's horrified. But guess what's happening. Church views are filled
with people. People are coming to faith. They're asking important
questions that they weren't asking before. It's had the opposite

(01:08:50):
effect of what you would expect. And of course I'm
not diminishing what happened.

Speaker 6 (01:08:53):
It was horrific.

Speaker 14 (01:08:54):
But my point is I think God is using it
to bring people back to him. But let me tell
you when you ask what's going to happen? I wrote
about this in The Blaze, and I'll share some of
the numbers here. A recent you go of survey. They
asked the question, do you think it is ever justified
for citizens to resort to violence in order to achieve
political goals? The answer should be no, but eleven percent

(01:09:14):
of Americans said yes, violence can sometimes be justified when
you add it all up, and another eleven percent said
they were unsure. That's twenty two percent saying either yes
or they're unsure, and five percent didn't want to answer.

Speaker 6 (01:09:27):
That is horrific. And you know, a.

Speaker 14 (01:09:30):
Good chunk of the country also thinks that it's okay
to be happy when their political opponents die.

Speaker 6 (01:09:35):
So when you ask what's going to come next?

Speaker 14 (01:09:37):
I think if we don't fix that insane ideology that
people have that if one out of ten people think
that violence is okay sometimes for political game, that's pretty.

Speaker 1 (01:09:47):
Terrified Billy Holliwell, he is a contributor to The Blaze
talking about a spiritual war taking place in this country.
Greg I would agree with this. He mentioned at the
end of his comments there a moment ago a number
of surveys. There's another one now tonight, this one from Rasmussen.
Twenty six percent of the people who were surveyed in
this in this latest survey on the Charlie Kirk assassination

(01:10:10):
say his assassination was understandable, understandable. So apparently murder under
certain circumstances now in this country, Greg, is understandable.

Speaker 3 (01:10:22):
Yeah, for demons, that's who it's understandable for people that
have heard demonic. There's no excuse for it. It's it's
the easiest take. It's not even a political take. It's
a it's it's humanity. It's you can't you can't condone murder.

Speaker 4 (01:10:35):
Period. There's no butt that's it that easy and do it.

Speaker 1 (01:10:38):
Yeah, big period at the end, No murder period. No
more Coming up. It is the Rodin Greg Show with
you on This Wingman Wednesday and Utah's Talk Radio one
oh five nine KNRS. Is this a big sports weekend
or what Greg I may never get off the couch.

Speaker 4 (01:10:55):
Oh, hey man, I'll tell you what. It's time. Gentlemen,
do whatever you have to do, whatever, honey, do us.
There is whatever you gotta do to get on the
good side of the missus. This is the weekend to
do it.

Speaker 3 (01:11:04):
You got the Ryder Cup, You've got college football, NFL,
You've got so much.

Speaker 4 (01:11:09):
I uh, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:11:11):
And e Ray loves his baseball, but there's games coming
down to the final games of the season. Yeah, baseball
is starting up, but no, this weekend, the Ryder Cup.
I'm hyped up, baby, I'm ready to go. I I
can't wait. It's USA all the way and Beth Page
Black in New York. The fans are going to be
so rowdy. You never see fans get too rowdy in golf.

(01:11:31):
But when it comes Ryder Cup time, Oh, it's good,
good stuff.

Speaker 1 (01:11:36):
And the baseball. My Yankees are one game out of
winning that division.

Speaker 5 (01:11:40):
I love it.

Speaker 4 (01:11:41):
You know. You gave up on those Yankees a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:11:44):
Summer.

Speaker 4 (01:11:44):
You were you were all wearing black.

Speaker 3 (01:11:47):
You were were reading their obituary in the black in
the in the summertime.

Speaker 4 (01:11:51):
Here you are, you're back, baby.

Speaker 1 (01:11:53):
It's showtime, baby, it's money time for the Yankees and
they're going to show up. So great, great weekend. Of course,
we've got big games involving the uh the Utes from
Utah and of course b YU and Utah State. A
lot of great football action, baseball action, golf action, you
name it.

Speaker 5 (01:12:08):
Greg.

Speaker 1 (01:12:09):
Like I said, I may just find a real comfortable
spot on the couch and not move for two days.

Speaker 3 (01:12:14):
Hey, who do your Cowboys play? Yeah?

Speaker 5 (01:12:18):
You wanted to bring that up, didn't you? Just yeah, yeah,
they're playing the.

Speaker 3 (01:12:25):
Bay Just Packers just lost to the Browns, which you know,
I raised kids as of Pittsburgh, growing up in Pittsburgh,
assuring my kids, no matter how bad the Steelers are,
you can always beat the Browns twice a year. And
the Browns just beat the Packers, which they may never
get over. That is a shame about the oh and
two Browns beat the Packers. So they're gonna come in
hot into Jerry's house and we'll see how your how

(01:12:47):
your cowboys do well?

Speaker 1 (01:12:49):
I was it was in this past week, but last
week when the Packers were home at the end of
the game that fans started chatting, chatting, thank you Jerry
for Mike heid didn't have a real good game last week,
so we'll see how he performs in Dallas this week. Hey,
real quick, real quick. This story out of Michigan greg

(01:13:10):
where a Michigan woman says her eleven year old son
was expelled from school after he disassembled a loaded gun
that a classmate apparently brought to school. The story goes
that he was kicked out of Dwight Rich School in
Lansing in May. She said him upset. I'm not just mad,

(01:13:32):
I'm out at some of the teachers and administrators because
they did not handle it right. Apparently, this young man
shows up at school. He's got a loaded gun, and
he goes into the restroom and he shows this other kid. Well,
this eleven year old kid said you can't have that here,
and the kid gave it to him, and he took
the gun apart and he threw it. Apparently put the

(01:13:56):
the the disassembled parts of the gun in a heater somewhere.
The bullets he put in a in a waste paper
basket in some corner, and he didn't want to tell
any teachers or adults because he's afraid he's going to
get in trouble and come to find out. They found
out he did, and they kicked him out of school
for taking apart that weapon.

Speaker 4 (01:14:17):
What about the kid that brought the gun?

Speaker 1 (01:14:19):
In no dieulinary reaction whatsoever against that kid.

Speaker 5 (01:14:21):
It's just not right.

Speaker 3 (01:14:24):
He brought the loaded gun to school. The other kid
takes it apart, throws the bullets away. He doesn't want
to be a nark, just wants to get away from
the situation, and he gets suspended. Man, yeah, Donald, Yeah,
doesn't make any sense.

Speaker 1 (01:14:35):
He's eleven years he's eleven year old. Well, the world
doesn't make sense anymore.

Speaker 4 (01:14:38):
He's eleven.

Speaker 1 (01:14:39):
He's eleven years old in seventh grade. Apparently his grandfather
taught him a lot about guns. He's taken his you know,
his grandson hunting at times. So the kid knew about
guns and but apparently never been in trouble before. But
he thought, well, I can't let this happen in the school.
Give me the gun, and he started taking it apart.

(01:14:59):
And because he took it apart, he's kicked out of
school a correction. The kid who brought the gun was
also disciplined by the school. But this kid's trying to
save people, protect people, and he's kicked out of school
and now we probably won't get into another school in Lansing,
Michigan because of his record.

Speaker 4 (01:15:19):
Uh, school choice, that's all I can say.

Speaker 3 (01:15:21):
Backpack funding, you know, it's time for school choice and
micro schools to get these kids in front of I mean, honestly,
I look at the landscape of our schools right now
and I just wonder, is the movement going to be
that parents are really going to look at micro schools,
maybe combining these scholar Like in Utah we have the
Utah Fits All scholarship. Do you combine scholarships that have

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a small and pay a teacher to educate your kids
and these micro schools, do you teach them at home?
There's a lot of curriculum you can get online, but
do you send your babies into those school you know,
those public schools anymore? I think it's getting weirder and weird,
and so I think school choice is Ever since COVID
happened that the movement, there are more and more states

(01:16:05):
are embracing parental choice and education. I think that's uh,
that's a growing trend and I think there's a reason
for it. And I think for me, my kids that
don't aren't married and don't have kids yet. But when
that day comes, I think I will be seriously looked
telling them to consider homeschool or micro schools, because I
think our public schools they've got, they got a lot

(01:16:27):
of change before. I feel like they're on the side
of these kids and the parents and the families.

Speaker 4 (01:16:32):
Because and that story you just read, that's just insane.
It's just that doesn't make any sense.

Speaker 1 (01:16:37):
And I think Greg, the marketplace is driving it. It's
the patents that we're saying, hey, this isn't what we want.
We're going to figure out another way. And they're doing
that and I love it as well. All Right, we've
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Speaker 4 (01:17:00):
I'm Rod Arquette, I'm citizen Greg Hughes.

Speaker 3 (01:17:04):
Look, you know there's I've seen the commercials on TV
Ladies and gentlemen there there's it's a pretty compelling message.
It's if you're here illegally We'll even give you some
run around money. We'll give you some money to get
get go home self deport and if you do that,
you may you'll have a chance to legally enter the country.
I think whether people took advantage of the financial incentive

(01:17:27):
to to self deport or just fund just simply self
deported by themselves without that assistance, it's happened, and it's
and it's being reported that it's happening in droves. And
so I'm excited to discuss this with our next guest
in terms of what those numbers look like.

Speaker 1 (01:17:42):
Yeah, we're trying to reach them right now, not being
able to get a hold of them. But Tom Holman,
the Borders are Greg was on what was there? He's
on the Ingram angle on Monday, and he said he
was asked about the self deportations and what's going on here.
Here are some of the numbers. We're over four hundred
thousand deports, he said. Now I've heard the number could
be as high as one point six million right now,

(01:18:04):
and he said between CBP and ICE, and that's just
since the president took office. He said, the first four
months of the fiscal year. We cannot count that because
Joe Biden wasn't doing anything. But here's what people need
to understand. Two things. Number One, over one point five
million illegal aliens, close to one point six illegal aliens

(01:18:25):
already left the country on their own. And he was
asked why, and he says, because they see what Ice
is doing out there every day. One of the reasons
we have the most secure border in the nation right
now is because of the great work of the men
and women. It has been an unbelievable story Greg as
to how quickly they were able to turn off the
faucet on illegal immigration into this country in the southern border.

(01:18:49):
That is an absolutely amazing story.

Speaker 3 (01:18:52):
It didn't take a lot. It didn't take no a
new law passed by the Senate. It didn't take this
nightmare build that the Senate was going to pass to
actually find a way to get illegal immigration to stop.

Speaker 4 (01:19:05):
They could do it with existing laws.

Speaker 5 (01:19:07):
That's a exist.

Speaker 6 (01:19:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:19:11):
They had said that wouldn't be possible. Well it looks
like it's possible.

Speaker 4 (01:19:14):
Here's the thing.

Speaker 3 (01:19:15):
I I think that if you don't have a I
believe in a tall wall, but I believe in a
wide gate.

Speaker 4 (01:19:21):
I think that there has to be a way.

Speaker 3 (01:19:23):
Uh, for people to be able to legally enter into
this country for for work purposes or whatever it may be,
but to be documented, to know and to have a
thorough process, because if you don't have that, I think
it incentivizes illegal entry. If there's just if there isn't
a sane, efficient way to at least understand what that

(01:19:45):
process looks like and how you can get to have
the right to enter this country. I think I think
if you don't have that, then you're gonna then you're
then it does incentivize the illegal entry, which is which
we don't obviously don't want.

Speaker 1 (01:19:59):
Well, let's go to a guess we've been able to
get ahold of it now, Bill King, He is a
fellow in Public Finance at Baker Institute at Rice University. Bill,
how are you welcome to the right in great show.
Thanks for joining us tonight, Bill.

Speaker 7 (01:20:09):
Thanks gus, Thank you so much.

Speaker 1 (01:20:11):
I think it's all thanks in Salt Lake. It's a
beautiful day. Thank you very much for asking Bill, what
about this number of one point six million illegal aliens
leaving the country. How close are we on that number?
And what do you make of what's going on right now?

Speaker 7 (01:20:27):
Well, all the numbers about immigration are terrible, and it's
an indication of how bad our immigration system is broken
that we don't even know for sure how many people
are coming and going. But Christy Neams said it was
one point six million people have left the country. A
lot of people have kind of rolled their eyes about that.

(01:20:48):
But then the Pew Foundation came out and said that
one point ford left.

Speaker 5 (01:20:53):
Wow.

Speaker 7 (01:20:54):
The Center for Immigration Studies, which puts up pretty good data,
said that two point two had left. And then the
Labor Department came out and said that the number of
four moren workers in the United States was down by
a million over about a four or five month period.
So it certainly looks like something BIG's going on.

Speaker 3 (01:21:15):
Yeah, you know my question, maybe you heard. I'm no lefty.
I'm not for all this illegal immigration. I'm not looking
at the press wages. I'm not looking to take jobs
away from Americans, none of that. But if you have anything,
if you do have an immigration system, if you have
rules on how to legally enter this country, I think
they need to make sense. They need to be intuitive,

(01:21:36):
they need to have some incentive to follow the law
to be able to pursue those opportunities. Whatever those opportunities
may be by whatever number. If you don't have that,
I'm afraid that's when people say, well, what do we
have to lose, Let's go get the car to let's
pay the cartels to get us across illegally. So my
question is, of all those that have self deported on

(01:21:56):
their own, if you start to see some of those
into vials be able to legally come back, I think
that would almost.

Speaker 4 (01:22:04):
Be an incentive.

Speaker 3 (01:22:04):
You might see even greater exodus of those that are
here illegally if they have even spotted a process whereby
they could legally enter the country. Is that just am
I just living in a fairytale land by thinking that?
Is there any way that you can come up with
a system that makes sense that would even incentivize more
self deportation?

Speaker 7 (01:22:25):
So you into it is something that existed down here
in Texas for a long time, which is people went
back and forth across the border all the time. They
would come up here and work during the agriculture decision,
then they go back home. Now it's so difficult to
get in that they come up and stay. So yeah, absolutely,
having a dysfunctional immigration system ends up leading to all

(01:22:47):
sorts of weird distortion. But here's the thing I want
to make sure that your listeners understand. The birth rate
in the United States today is about one point six
babies per woman during her life time. At that birth rate,
we lose about one percent of our population every year.
If we have no immigration, the United States will have

(01:23:09):
about a third less people by the end of this century.
That's losing the population of Texas, California, Pennsylvania, New York,
and Florida together. Now we don't know what the consequences
of that kind of population decline is, but classical economic
theory will tell you that you're going to not be

(01:23:30):
nearly as wealthy or affluent as you are in this
kind of society, because every time your population goes down,
that's few people buying groceries, few people vuying cars, fewer
people runting apartments, you know, all the things that consumers do.
You've got fewer of those. And so, and this is
happening all over the world, by the way, and so

(01:23:53):
the United States has this great advantage. Everybody still wants
to come here. If we can figure out how to
have an immigration set, we could let in a limited
number of people every year, let in the right, people,
the skills that we need, not let in the criminals
and the bombs and that kind of stuff. You know,
it would be a huge advantage to the United States,
but we're so politically divided, or at least the two

(01:24:16):
parties are so politically divided on this that they can't
come to a rational deal. And it's really not that difficult.

Speaker 1 (01:24:24):
Yeah, Bill, you're at Rice University, which is down there
in Houston. Of course, a lot of people are talking
about the fact that the southern border has basically been
shut down. Not a lot of people are getting through
illegally anymore. As you talk to people in that part
of the country, what are their thoughts as to what's
going on, what the president has done, what needs to
be done? Now, what are you hearing?

Speaker 5 (01:24:43):
Bill?

Speaker 7 (01:24:45):
Well, listen, I think you know, first of all, Texas
is you know, we were part of Mexico at one time,
and so you know, I think most people in Texas
are a lot more comfortable with Latin heritage in Mexican
culture than most of the rest of the I mean,
everybody down here goes and gets Mexican food at least
once a week, you.

Speaker 1 (01:25:04):
Know, So I think there's a lot more tech with.

Speaker 7 (01:25:10):
Yeah, exactly, and most of us speak some amount of Spanish,
you know, so I think that, you know, we've always
been comfortable with people coming and going. But obviously what's
going on in the last few years under the Biden
administration was just crazy, and I mean letting in people
without any kind of vetting was just was terrible and

(01:25:32):
there was some very serious damage done, you know, some
terrible crimes committed as a result of that. But immigration overall,
I think is a good thing if it's done right
and under control circumstances. That would be I think the
view of most Texans.

Speaker 3 (01:25:50):
So I have I have a question. It's probably I
don't know if there's a right answer for it. But
if you ask the everyday Utah and if they're here,
these different narratives that are flying by, they're hearing two things,
and they seem to cut they seem to leave the
everyday American in a weird spot. We need immigration for
the types of jobs that Americans won't do, and that

(01:26:12):
whether it be agriculture or whatever it might be. I
don't subscribe to that. I think I don't think Americans
are too good to do any job. But there is
this talk of unskilled labor, you got to bring it
in because Americans won't do it.

Speaker 4 (01:26:23):
Now, I mean, now we're hearing, well.

Speaker 3 (01:26:25):
You need these h one b one visas, you need
you need educ you need people with degrees and high
skilled labor, because there's no Americans that will do that either.

Speaker 4 (01:26:35):
Where does that leave an American If I.

Speaker 3 (01:26:37):
Won't do the jobs that the unskilled labor can't do,
and I can't get the job, I'm not good enough
to do the job that the high skilled labor does needs,
so they have to have all these visas, where does
that leave the American people? Because I've told you I
think there needs to be a sane immigration process, but
some of it feels like it works against us from
both sides, skilled labor and unskilled labor.

Speaker 4 (01:26:58):
What's what?

Speaker 7 (01:26:59):
How do you he's a primarily there's a primarily political narratives.
They don't have a lot of basis. In fact, look,
the last time I look at the numbers, there are
about seven million unemployed Americans and there were about seven
million open jobs. So you say, hey, well let's put
all the Americans in those jobs. But there's a couple
of problems with that. First of all, some of those
Americans are unemployed for good reasons. You've probably had some

(01:27:23):
of those kind of employees in the past, you know.
And then you know, say you've got a whole bunch
of teenagers unemployed in Chicago, Well, we can't ship them
out to Silicon Valley to be programmers, you know, at
a pleasure. And so there's a mismatch of geography, there's
a mismatch of skills. And I'll tell you one thing

(01:27:43):
that we've just done a terrible job is is in
our education system preparing young people for the jobs. I mean,
this idea that everybody had to go to college was
such a terrible idea. And I'm on the board of
the hospital system here. You know, we taken over a
high school and these kids are going to high school education,

(01:28:03):
but they're also trained in a medical certification, and we
will give them a job when they get out of college.
That's how I'm going to get out of high school.
That's how bad we need the workers. And that's what
American education needs to look more and more like.

Speaker 1 (01:28:18):
Well, I'm with you on that. I think Greg is
with you on that as well. Bill, great conversation, Thanks
for joining us tonight. And enjoy that delicious text makes
food down there and rites, which that's right.

Speaker 5 (01:28:27):
Yeah, call me anytime, guys.

Speaker 7 (01:28:29):
Enjoyed it?

Speaker 1 (01:28:29):
Thanks all right, Thank you Bill. We do to thank
you Bill King joining us on our newsmaker line. And
you know he's right, Greg, And you know we have
seen this coming for years and years and years, yet
we haven't done anything about it. I think we're attempting
to do something about it here in the state of Utah.
But we kids coming out of school aren't trained to
do a job in America today. I mean, we have

(01:28:52):
really missed the motive on this, not all.

Speaker 3 (01:28:54):
And to that, I say, and I'll say, if that's
the case, then shut down all these schools. I don't
know why a kid is walking out with one hundred
outside of Utah, where our tuition is not this prohibitive.
But outside of Utah you could have one hundred and
twenty thousand dollars of student debt or higher and you
don't have the skills for a high skilled job.

Speaker 4 (01:29:12):
They have to go get.

Speaker 3 (01:29:14):
Visas and bring people in from overseas because the university
you attended didn't get you ready for the job market.

Speaker 4 (01:29:20):
That's staring you right in the eyes.

Speaker 3 (01:29:22):
If these schools can't get students ready for the economy
to become an emerging workforce, then what are they there
for other than the radicalization and doctrinating these kids.

Speaker 4 (01:29:35):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:29:36):
I know I'm probably too wound up, but I just
it is such an offense to me to see how
expensive school is, see these liberal professors and what they're
turning these kids' heads into, and then say, yeah, we
don't have any skilled labor for the high skilled jobs
that we have, we don't have them. It's a disgrace.

Speaker 1 (01:29:53):
And also the money those professors are making on our
dime pretty amazing. All Right, More coming up on The
Roden Greg Show in Utah's Talk Radio one O five nine,
kN rs come.

Speaker 3 (01:30:03):
Back, final segment of Wingman Wednesday on the Rod and
Greg Show on Utah's Talk Radio one O five nine,
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Goose on wing Man Wednesday, your host.

Speaker 1 (01:30:19):
I've brought our kidd. We've talked about this a few times. Greg,
You've well, you don't you don't drive anywhere you flyv.

Speaker 2 (01:30:25):
Where you go.

Speaker 5 (01:30:26):
Apparently you can't drive or you don't.

Speaker 1 (01:30:27):
Like to, but uh, are you talking to that big
solar power plant there just across the Nevada border going
into California. I think it's an Ivanpa what it's called.
That massive thing. Well, we now have an official date
as to when it's going to close, twenty twenty six,
after spending fi after spending you're ready for this, after

(01:30:49):
spending two point two billion dollars probably most of it hours. Uh,
the company that has been running it saying it's just
now producing the energy we need there war after burning
all those birds, we're gonna shut it down.

Speaker 3 (01:31:06):
How do you dispose of it? How do you recycle
the plastics and all this? It's going to be like
anything else that you know, the plastic that you know
is strangling all the whales and the dolphins that they
made us all use plastics. They didn't want to cut
down trees and have paper products anymore. How in the world,
what in the world do they do with all those
solar panels. If you've ever seen a up in the
sky picture of that thing, it is absolutely massive.

Speaker 6 (01:31:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:31:30):
Now you're a baseball fan, right, Yes, yeah, I'm a
baseball fan too. Did you ever play catch with your
kids when they were growing up.

Speaker 4 (01:31:38):
Yes, I did, did you I did?

Speaker 7 (01:31:41):
I did.

Speaker 5 (01:31:41):
I did too.

Speaker 4 (01:31:42):
I couldn't get my catch. I get I pay.

Speaker 3 (01:31:44):
I paid my nephew one hundred dollars to get my
kid to catch a baseball because I couldn't get him
to do it. And I get so I said, I
give you a hundred bucks to get him to catch
that baseball.

Speaker 5 (01:31:52):
And he couldn't catch.

Speaker 3 (01:31:54):
No, he made the hundred bucks and holding can catch
a baseball.

Speaker 4 (01:31:59):
Everybody won.

Speaker 1 (01:31:59):
Yeah, everybody wanted well. Over the weekend, some two thousand,
three hundred and fifty eight people played catch to break
a world record. They all lined up and played catch.

Speaker 4 (01:32:11):
Wow, that's actually I think you got me pretty bored.

Speaker 3 (01:32:16):
Yeah, that's who even thought of that as a record
to beat. I don't even understand that. I mean, I
played catch, but I didn't know. I wasn't like I
want to be a world record breaking play catch.

Speaker 2 (01:32:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:32:28):
This was This was a the largest game of catch ever,
two thousand, three hundred and fifty eight people.

Speaker 5 (01:32:34):
They broke the record. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:32:37):
Well, thanks to my nephew teaching my son and how
to catch them all, we could have been part of that.

Speaker 4 (01:32:42):
How do we could have done, We could.

Speaker 1 (01:32:43):
Have gone back to New Jersey. Why we would want to,
I don't know. But that's it all right. That does
it for us? Did I head out, shoulders back? Man,
God bless you and your family and this great country
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