The Rod and Greg Show: Arrest of MS 13 Gang Leader; Dems wont admit toll of Covid Hysteria; Lower Tarrifs in China

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
As you well know, you're listening to the Utah's Talk
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Speaker 2 (00:05):
You know, we're just looking at the television monitor here
at the studio. It's on Fox News right now. The
President is signing some new executive orders, apparently one dealing
with concert ticket prices. Right, and guess who's in the
Oval Office with him?

Speaker 1 (00:19):
Kid Rock?

Speaker 2 (00:20):
Kid Rock. They're tired in red, white and blue. That's
an outfit you and I should get.

Speaker 1 (00:24):
The rebel with the cause. Yeah, you know, he h.
I think actually I think it's better than Zelensky's outfit.
You know, he's all black. He could have so Lensky
could have been like a sun Dance film festival, you know,
with the all black you know, kind of that look,
that Hollywood look they all like to have. But no,
he's he's in like red white and blue. It's all
it's like, what's it? But dazzled? What is that?

Speaker 3 (00:44):
What it is?

Speaker 1 (00:44):
Ryan Stones? I don't know what's going on, but it
just looks.

Speaker 2 (00:47):
A wid Here you have the president Oval Office, his
dark blue suit, red tie, and next to him.

Speaker 1 (00:52):
Is more conservative. He likes Kid Rock they're they're actual friends.

Speaker 2 (00:58):
They get along very it's better. Fact is Kid Rock,
who's invited Bill Maher to the White House, Who's going
to meet with the President in a few days.

Speaker 1 (01:07):
At the same dinner.

Speaker 2 (01:07):
I believe so well. He he negotiated the deal, so
I'm not sure if he's going to show up.

Speaker 1 (01:13):
I think I think Kid Rock could keep Bill Maher
in check. I mean, you you just what you don't
want is someone to take the opportunity to have that
meeting and then try to grandstand or try to. And
I think Bill Maher could could potentially be a clown
in a meeting like that. But if Kid rocks there,
I think he could be a good influence.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
And grand stand Donald Donald Trump.

Speaker 1 (01:32):
Well, you could try.

Speaker 2 (01:34):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:34):
If you try, you just try, but he'll just push back.

Speaker 2 (01:38):
It is great to be with you on this Monday
afternoon as we begin another week of excellence in broadcasting.
Great to be with you. What a weekend and C
two a final four four number ones? Great has only
happened once.

Speaker 1 (01:50):
Yeah, I'm surprised by that. I mean, I just there's
so many good teams that that don't get that number
one seed that you I mean again, like you said,
it doesn't usually happen, so you know, it's maybe it's
a little anti climatic, maybe it's like kind of boring,
but I think it could be pretty I think every
every young lady in every office NCAA office pool who

(02:11):
just went with the numbers and put the one at
the top all the way to the sin is crushing
it in there. Or guy that doesn't follow basketball and
they're like, oh, look, they're the number one. I'll just
put them all over.

Speaker 2 (02:23):
Work this time. Usually pool usually doesn't work because there's
always a Cinderella team or two. But not this year,
not fish year.

Speaker 1 (02:30):
They're always is not this year.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
All right, we've got a lot to get to today.
Let me outline what we'll be talking about here. In
a bit, we'll talk about the arrest of that MS
thirteen gang leader. I don't know if bad is the
appropriate word to describe this guy, but he was one
bad dude, and we'll get into that. Former Wisconsin Governor
Scott Walker is going to join us at the bottom
of the hour. He'll explain why this Supreme Court vote

(02:54):
in Wisconsin tomorrow, which I imagine rarely gets national coverage.
There are millions of dollars going into this race. He's
going to join us to explain why. A little bit
later on, David Harzani will also join us, and we
have tickets to Thomas Rhett will be doing sometime today.
As a matter of fact, let me pull out information out.
Here's what we want you to do to sometime during

(03:14):
the show today. We've done this before. It's always a
lot of fun. We play some bumper music from Thomas Rhett.
Now what bumper music is. It's the music that we
come out of our commercial breaks with. Right now, when
you hear it, if you're the correct caller color number
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eight zero one zero, you'll win two tickets to see
Thomas Rhet's Veteran Boots Tour coming to the Utah First

(03:39):
Credit Union Amphitheater in September twenty. But that's always fun.
So sometime today our bumper music will be a Thomas
Rhett hit, and if you can identify it you're the
correct caller, you're gonna get two tickets. Yes, I kind
of like that. You just consider it there day and
say yes, yes, okay.

Speaker 1 (03:55):
Now let's I'm just going to say. Our listeners they
they're very well rounded. They don't just know public policy issues,
they know their music too. I mean I have been
blown away at some of the contests because he raised
a bit of a music connoisseur. He sometimes if you
have to guess the song or the if you hear
some lyrics, you have to guess the song, and he's
our listeners always win. They're very good.

Speaker 2 (04:18):
Well, we have now heard from the NASA astronauts who
went into space for eight days and ended up being
there for eight months.

Speaker 1 (04:25):
Yes, not really, Look I'm saying, yeah, I'm just so agreeable,
become so agreeable with every word you say to it.

Speaker 2 (04:34):
Wow, Well what happened to me this weekend? Astronaut Butcher
Willmore and Sonny Williams sat down with Bill Hammer from
Fox News This Morning Today and talked about their experience.
He asked them their opinion of Donald Trump and Elon Musk.

Speaker 4 (04:50):
I respect you, I trust you. You're giving me no
reason not to trust you either one of them. What
they say. I can't say what they say. I haven't
lived that, But I have no reason not to believe
anything they say because they've earned my trust and for
that I am grateful that our national leaders actually are
coming in and taking part in our human Spacelight program,

(05:11):
which we see is hugely important global significance, and they
take an active role. And based on the past and
what we see now with them doing that is it's
it's refreshing, not just refreshing, it's it's empowering, it's strengthening
for our nation. I think it's a good thing for
our nation when the national leaders, especially something that's high visibility,

(05:33):
are involved in the process.

Speaker 1 (05:34):
I'm grateful for.

Speaker 5 (05:35):
That, and you know, I'm just glad that they're involved
and they're take notice, and you know, our situation I think,
you know, I mentioned before maybe wasn't the perfect situation,
but allowed a lot of people, including the President in Elon,
to look at what's going on on the International Space Station,
take it very seriously and understand that our involvement as

(05:57):
a country, as a space sparing nation is really important
throughout the world.

Speaker 2 (06:02):
Susie Williams and Butch Wilmore with that Bill Hammer today again.
They were scheduled to spend about eight days in space,
ended up spending eight months. Have you ever been delayed
on a flight that had to carry over to the
next day or anything like that. It would drive me nuts.

Speaker 1 (06:16):
Well I have, but not for eight months. So let
me paraphrase. What you heard were very I thought, very
judicious and diplomatic things that they said. The gentleman said
it was empowering and refreshing, refreshing, you know it was.
It was a relief to have someone competent in charge.
It could get us the heck down from up here.
We are stuck up here. They've left us for dead,
apparently because I was up here eight days. They're not

(06:40):
even coming back. We can't get back, and they don't
seem to care. It isn't refreshing and empowering. It's thank
goodness we have somebody who's competent. And then she said, glad,
We're glad they were involved. You're glad they were involved.
You're thinking you're lucky stars that Elon Muskin and SpaceX
and then Donald Trump got onto this, and god, you

(07:00):
down right away, I think again, I know that's what
they were thinking. I'm just reading between the lines.

Speaker 2 (07:04):
Well, and they have.

Speaker 1 (07:06):
They had a brain dead, not asleep at the wheel
president and an administration that didn't even care, didn't thought
it might be a bad press cycle if we bring
them down, you know, delayed after they've been stuck. So
let's just leave them there. Maybe everyone will fuck get
that there. Yeah, So I think I think I heard
what they really felt. Out of those those I gave

(07:27):
the interpretation.

Speaker 2 (07:28):
Thank you for breaking that down. There's another thing you
can break down. Guess who's not coming to the United
States anymore?

Speaker 6 (07:34):
Who?

Speaker 2 (07:34):
Canadians?

Speaker 1 (07:36):
Perfect?

Speaker 2 (07:37):
Apparently?

Speaker 1 (07:38):
Why didn't we do this earlier?

Speaker 2 (07:40):
There is this new sense of patriotism on the other
side of the border, and Actios is reporting today that
advanced bookings for Canada to US flights in April through
September are down seventy percent compared to this time last year.
So the Canadians don't want to come here that.

Speaker 1 (07:57):
I received that news the same way I did the
Sundance Film Festival. God good, great, great, we don't have
to come here.

Speaker 2 (08:04):
Travel is down.

Speaker 1 (08:05):
Yeah, I don't know. I think I don't know. I
think Canada needs us more than we need Canada. Really,
you think, I think that's how that relationship works.

Speaker 2 (08:13):
If you're asking, I would agree with you on that one.
All right. More coming up on the Rod and Greg Show,
Great to be with you on this Monday afternoon right
here on Utah's Talk Radio one oh five nine k
n rs. Before we go onto our next guest, I
wanted to bring up there are two stories this weekend. Greg.
We'll get into the New York Times story a little bit,
because the Times just admitted over the weekend the Democrats

(08:34):
are in trouble.

Speaker 1 (08:36):
I know, this is such a contrived story.

Speaker 2 (08:38):
I'm amazing.

Speaker 1 (08:40):
I've got a comparison. Okay, that story.

Speaker 2 (08:42):
But there's another story this time in the La Times.
Right talking about the border between California and Mexico, all
of a sudden has gone quiet. Organizations that were set
up to help illegals are shutting down new laws. There's
nobody coming across the border. California Mexico border, once overwhelmed,

(09:02):
now nearly empty, is a headline today in the La Times.

Speaker 1 (09:07):
Well, then I got something they need to start paying
attention to now that the people aren't coming across. It's
that sewage. It's still coming across.

Speaker 2 (09:15):
Oh, I shouldn't have broadcast.

Speaker 1 (09:16):
Yeah, you know what I Ladies and gentlemen, you know
you are well versed in this crisis I've been talking
about on this show. Well, the supervisor of San Diego
County did a X post over the weekend about this.
If we have time, I'm going to share with you
because I've been on the forefront of this. I've been
a tip of the spear on this crisis. And finally
people are listening.

Speaker 2 (09:35):
Well maybe a few, all right, speaking of illegal immigration,
as we heard last week, the worst of the worst
MS thirteen leader was busted just about a half hour
from the US Capitol last Thursday. And this dude is
one bad dude, Greg and joining us on our Newsmaker
line to talk about it is Michael Latz. Michael is president,

(09:56):
founder CEO of invest USA. He's us on our news
Baker line. Michael, how are you welcome to the Roding
Gregg Show.

Speaker 3 (10:04):
Always a privileged to be with you and that the
great honor.

Speaker 2 (10:07):
Thank you so much, Michael. How bad was this bad dude?
He was bad?

Speaker 3 (10:12):
Question about it. He was number a third of the line.
But here's what he quickly discovered is the FBI, when
allowed to do their job of policing instead of being
politicized and weaponized, along with the assistants from our national
security agencies of our special forces, we're batter than they are,

(10:33):
and he quickly found that out and decided it wasn't
worth trying to struggle a fight because he would have
gone home in a body beg So, quite frankly, we're
glad to get him off the street. But here's the problem.
We've got liberal judges that somehow seen Bolgsburg in. One
of them seemed to think that they should decide when
they go instead of we the American people. That's going

(10:55):
to come to an end as well.

Speaker 1 (10:57):
Yeah, Michael, as you were saying that to mind, was
that exchange that Caroline Levity had the press Trump's press
secretary had with a reporter where he was saying, there's
supposed to be eight indicators whether someone should be immediately
deported as a foreign terrorist, and we understand that only
two of those indicators were actually used, the tattoo and

(11:19):
the type of clothes they were wearing. Is that fair?
And she said that's actually not true. But anyway, you
get into this back and forth, and you see you
can hear the media defending the most the worst of
the worst. You hear them wanting to have some scrutiny.
What do they want them to sit on a couch
with a with Oprah and lay out the life story
before they get to be deported. I mean, when does

(11:40):
that nonsense end? I mean, are we going to see
these judges truly interrupt the work, the good work that
the president's doing and that the administration is doing. Are there?
Are the judges going to get away with it? Are
we going to get past this moment?

Speaker 3 (11:52):
We're going to get past this moment. They are truly
trying to do everything they can to. You remember, we're
fighting an epic paddle doing good and evil there cornered
and realize this is their customs last stand. So they're
throwing everything, including the kitchen sink, at the administration to
try to delay, stall, or derail the will of the
American people. But we will get past it. We have

(12:14):
a number of things that are occurring. First of all,
we had legislation in the House that because you know,
the Constitution only provides for a Supreme Court nothing else,
it gives the Supreme Court the ability to establish district
courts for jurisdictional matters in their district alone, not nationwide.
They have violated the Constitution. They know it very clearly.

(12:35):
It's disappointing is a judge Roberts can't seem to get
a handle over his own people. If he can't, we will.
And quite frankly, I think part of the movement is
that we're going to ignore what is unconstitutional. That is
some of the judges that have just decided to become
nothing but activists. When you look at them, they've all
got to aultariom motive. They've got family members that are
receiving millions of dollars, our dollars she represented to help

(12:59):
support illegally. That's why they're fighting.

Speaker 2 (13:01):
Back so hard.

Speaker 3 (13:02):
They don't want to give up their gravy. Well, it's
about time we get this country straightened out. We get
rid of all those scum and the people that are
fraudulently attacking our US treasure and put them back in
their place and reclaim freedom and liberty once again for
the American people.

Speaker 2 (13:15):
Michael, do you think Pam Bondi is the leader we
need to head up this effort and crack down on
crime all across the country from illegal aliens.

Speaker 3 (13:23):
Open to Pam quite often, and yes I do. But
let me also give a flip side of this. Just
like with the Epstein file and other lists, the Ukrainian
list that shows all the kickbacks that we're taking from
those who supported aid to Ukraine. The USAID lists of
all the four and aid that has gone back into

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the pockets of our politicians. We're talking about some of
those influential, wealthy people in America in the world. They're
not going to go down without a careful fight. So
PAM has been instructed to make sure that every T
is crossed, every I is guided dotted, to make sure
that when these indictments come down, we don't lose, we win.

(14:06):
But here's the next step, and this is what's going
to be interesting to the American people. We're gonna start
serving indictments major players. I mean we led away at handcuffs,
and when it does, I want to hear the American
people rally behind that. No one is above the law.
Everyone is accountable and that includes them, and quite frankly,
once that starts. But it's not just Congress, it's not

(14:28):
just senators and House members, it's members of the judiciary,
it's key CEOs on Wall Street. It's time we get
a thorough cleansing. You know, we expand to GETMO to
thirty thousand bays. We remove any of the illegal immigrants
that were there to make sure all thirty thousand beds
were available. I think we're going to need more before
this cleansing ends.

Speaker 1 (14:49):
So let me so you know you're one hundred percent right,
and I'm and I love hearing your assessment of things
because it's what I I can't imagine the straining the
swamp to look or sound any different than what we're hearing.
You know, you're over the target when you see the
kind of conduct, the yelling, the weeping, the whaling, the
judges that are the last line of defense trying to
protect their own. So all of that, I agree with you.

(15:12):
I'm just worried, however, that with all that money, with
the money that the Elon Musk is finding that's been
outside of Congress's purview, some of the power, frankly, that
the that the swamp has had and the judiciary has had,
that they are they are going to bog down or
slow down this present in his administration.

Speaker 3 (15:32):
Is there?

Speaker 1 (15:33):
Do you think this is going to take one Supreme
Court maybe umbrella a case that creates a precedent where
district judges are actually not presidents of the United States
of America as they have now assumed that rule only
for Trump, by the way, never for Biden or Obama
or anyone else. So do you think that that's a
ruling that's coming quickly or is it going to be
something like you're describing that we're just going to ignore

(15:54):
the unconstitutional rulings and kind of proceed as normal. I
just I just want to get an idea of how
this how we bring the American people along? Do you
know what I'm saying?

Speaker 3 (16:03):
Sure, And I think it's a great question. I think
you're worthy of a great answer. And quite frankly, here
is where we're at. We have asked the Supreme Court,
do you shoe an emergency ruling to bring their folks in,
to bring them into compliance. Quite frankly, we've got a
cool reception. Judge Roberts, Chief Justice. We've all was conservative.
I think America is being to find out that's not

(16:24):
the case. But I don't want to speak for him
because they have an issue of ruling. Yet they're just
sitting there pondering when they're going to issue the rulings. So,
quite frankly, the President is now looking to an executive
order to all agencies, we will not accept our buy
by lower court rulings. Any ruling that is given will
immediately be given to the US Supreme Court. The pressure
on them, do you to decide? And if they can't decide,

(16:46):
then the House needs to redraw the jurisdiction, which they
are doing. That legislation has already been introduced. It's hardy
drafts and introduced. We expect quick passage in the House.
Of course, the Sinate's going to be a little tougher,
but we still have the majority. We think we can
get it through. And then, quite frankly, why we're doing
all that, We're pressing pay them to get these indictments ready.
It's quite frankly, I think when you begin to pull

(17:08):
people national news and you see key leaders walking away
in handcuffs, they're gonna all seem like birds.

Speaker 2 (17:16):
Michael, great conversation. Thank you for a few minutes of
your time today.

Speaker 3 (17:19):
Michael, God bless you, God bless America. Keep up the
good work. We're gonna win. It's just gonna take us
a little time.

Speaker 1 (17:25):
I love it. Thank you. Thanks for your good work.

Speaker 2 (17:27):
Michael. Let's joining us on our newsmaker line talking about
the arrest of an MS thirteen leader here in the
United States. More to come, possibly more coming up on
The Rodden Greg Show in Utah's Talk Radio one O
five to nine K and our as so much money.
It's amazing, Greg, how much attention is being given to
the West Consin Supreme Court race and a race to

(17:48):
replace Mike Walstone and Florida. I think it's the Florida
District six race. But joining us on our Newsmaker line
to talk about the West Constin Supreme Court race is
former Governor Scott Walker. We've had Governor Walker on the
show for always. Great to have him on the air.
Governor Walker, thanks for joining Greg and I today. Could
you explain to our listeners today the significance and why
so much money is being pumped into this race in Wisconsin.

Speaker 6 (18:11):
It's all about radicals like George Sourrows, Jadie Pritzker, rex Hoffman,
billionaires from outside of the state of Wisconsin wanting to
stop President Trump's agenda, and the way they do that
is by electing a liberal named Susan Crawford, who she
and her support have made it clear that if she
becomes the fourth liberal and radical on the court, there'll

(18:34):
be a four to three split and they will redraw
the boundaries for congressional maps in the state of Wisconsin
so that at least two, if not three Republicans from
Wisconsin are drawn out of the House of Representative. So
right there could be the change that would put a
new speaker in place and would stop the Trump agenda.
Dennis tracks, and that's why they're pouring millions and millions

(18:55):
of millions into the Supreme Court race in Wisconsin.

Speaker 1 (18:59):
You know, I'm a recovering public servants. Used to be
the Speaker of the House here in Utah, worked with
your the Speaker of Wisconsin State House, Robin Boss. Speaker
Boss great, great, sure, great leader, and so I kind
of know your state a little bit. I'll tell you.
My question is you have a your state has an
interesting relationship with Trump. Some would say Utah does too.

(19:21):
You know, Wisconsin nice, Utah nice. But tell me, or
at least assure me that those that voted for Donald
Trump I are going to be voters in an officer
like this election for a supreme court, a state supreme court,
which it which is not usually a high I would
imagine wouldn't be a high voter turnout. Tell me that
we've got the base and those that supported Trump and

(19:42):
Wisconsin energized.

Speaker 6 (19:44):
Well, we do. But that's the key to winning. And
that's why that guy was with Elon Musk last night.
I've been Chris crossing the state with Brad Schimmar our candidate.
We had Donald Trump Junior in recently, we had Sean Dufty,
of course part of the Trump cabinet for Wisconsin. We
had Donald Trump himself. President Trump made the endorsement official
week go Friday, put out release just the other day

(20:07):
that a telephone town hall meeting with about one hundred
thousand voters. All this is because you're exactly right. Your
insights are right on the money. There's about two hundred
thousand people who voted for Donald Trump last November who
don't historically typically vote in spring elections. And so we've
tried to connect the dots not only on the House majority,

(20:28):
but on and of course, the left's been making our
case for us the last few weeks with all these
federal judges that are trying to stop you know, whether
it's sending the worst of the worst criminals back to
their countries of origin, judge trying to stop that, it's
trying to deal with the Department of Government efficiency and
trying to stop all the nonsense we've seen how the

(20:49):
USAID judge tried to stop that. I mean, issue after
issue after issue, judge tried to stop that. We're trying
to tell the voters, if you like Donald Trump, we
voted for him, the majority of us. She voted for Wisconsin.
You can't stop now because this justice, if she's elected,
will add to the other three radicals and they'll do
anything in their power to stop Trump. Not to mention

(21:10):
you mentioned Speaker Boss, He and the others who joined
with me when I was in office did are at
ten reforms which took power out of the hands of
the big government union bosses put it in the hands
of the hard working people. We did statewide school choice,
we did voter ID. All these things that we did
could be gone with four activists of the court.

Speaker 2 (21:31):
Governor Walker. This overall issue that we're seeing around the
country about these judges stepping in and blocking the president
from doing what he's trying to get done. What do
you make of all of this? Have you ever seen
anything like this before?

Speaker 6 (21:45):
Well, the closest I can say is in Wisconsin, so
it's nationally. We haven't seen it. We're the precursor. You know,
so much of this happened. You know, I look at
the other night when I was with Elon Musk pointing out,
you know, they're trying to wait, wait, waste, fraud and abuse.
We did out of the system. We did that in
Wisconsin by again getting rid of the stranglehold that the

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union boss has had on to the collective bargain process.
And what happened. They protest this, they did death threats.
They ultimately tried to recall me. But the good news
is we prevailed, and that's what my hope is tomorrow
we will prevail as well. But what we see nashally
is you just got to have the courage to stay
the course. The good news is, you know, they tried
to intimidate us. We didn't back down. We prevailed. We won,

(22:26):
in fact the recall elections more votes and we did
the first time. But it was all about intimidation. And thankfully,
whether he was up for reelection or not in the
future obviously the second term not. But there is no
way you're going to intimidate people like President Trump or
people in his cabinet, or people like him on bus.
But that's what they tried to do, and I just

(22:48):
hope that members of the US House and the Senate
don't back down from doing the right thing as well.

Speaker 1 (22:53):
You know, Governor, so many campaigns, even state campaigns, if
they have a national touch or a national theme, it
does draw the attention or the understanding of the populace
a lot more. You have a very I think a
very national campaign theme going on. There have your Democrat
attorney general tried to stop Elon Musk from coming to
that rally yesterday and giving out those prizes or the

(23:13):
awards of a million if they were read, you know,
filing for the petition or signing the petition they tried
to stop. Yeah, and you're I think the Supreme Court
in your state voted against it so that they wouldn't
lose votes from those that would be mad that they
got held out. But it's a fact that seventy seven
percent of the campaign contributions for the radical leftist judge
running are coming from out of state. Is there any

(23:36):
way or is it happening that you have this anti
Elon Musk, which I think for everyday common sense people
doesn't resonate very well. But then your election integrity as
a state, Utah depends on it. We need good election,
free and fair elections to elect a president of the
United States. If you don't have a process, if you
don't have election integrity in Wisconsin, it's going to be

(23:57):
felt by every state in the country. Are those issues
that are really maybe motivating someone more than a judicial
race or a Supreme Court race in Wisconsin? Normally?

Speaker 6 (24:07):
Would I hope? So, I mean, I really do. I
hope and pray it. I see it when I go
around in the state to campaign. But I also know
the places like Madison, which is left to Berkeley, or
you know, offset the common sense that the rest of
us have across the state. And so we've got to
pray and you know, hope and pray for this. But
you're right about those numbers. I mean this, this is classic.

(24:29):
You guys appreciate classic Saul Winsky. It's rules for radicals
that is worse, and that is they point to Elon Musk,
who's spending a fraction of what, George Soros, Rex Hoffmann,
Jad Pritsker, all these billionaires from outside Wisconsin have been
pouring money. And in fact, Susan Crawford, the liberal running
is already up to almost fifteen million dollars. She's almost

(24:49):
double what I spent my first race for governor. Seventy
seven percent, as you said, comes from out of state.
That's a newspaper number, not our number. So the Milwaukee
paper is liberals. It is even knowledge is that versus
just fifteen percent being out of state for Bradsham. All
the rest is coming from people who can vote for them.
And yet they try to claim that Musk is buying

(25:10):
the election. I mean, you know, it's like the Bible saying,
you know you can't. You know, you're trying to pick
the speck out of my eye without looking at the
big chunk of lumber in your own eyes. That's exactly
what's happening here. You know, they just don't get it,
and I hope voters get it. But more than anything,
I hope what they realize most of all is what
we learned as kids, and that is there's three separate

(25:31):
branches of government at all levels here Wisconsin. Like the
federal level, you want to make the law, you run
for the legislative branch. You want to carry the law,
you run for the executive branch. You want uphold the law.
You run for the judicial branch, you don't make it.
That's not what you run for. You run for the
legislature of the Congress. Unfortunately, liberals and we saw it.
Per your other question about the courts at the federal level,

(25:53):
if they don't like the outcome, they want judges who
will make the law do what they want. That's not
what our founders to it. I don't think that's what
the American people want. I sort of hope pray that's
not what the people Wisconsin want. They want a jurist
who's going to uphold the Constitution and those laws Doly
enacted within it. No more, no less.

Speaker 2 (26:11):
Former Wisconsin Governor Scott Walker joining us on our news
micro line. Governor Walker, thank you very much. I tell
you what, Greg, The media are salivating right now. They
are just hoping that that vote tomorrow and the vote
down in Florida will be an indication that Donald Trump
is losing his mojo. That's what yeah hoping for.

Speaker 1 (26:28):
And should should we get into this in the next
should we go to break and excited to get into this?
I need. I am the Donald Trump whisperer on this topic. Yeah, okay,
we'll talk about no we'll talk about it when we
come back.

Speaker 2 (26:40):
Coming now, we really want to hear from people on this.

Speaker 1 (26:44):
There is an issue about Donald Trump and those that
support him and and what it means and off your
elections or spring elections like this that don't assume everyone
to vote for Donald Trump, and that last presidential election
are lining up for these special elections, and that in
judicial elections it's not the case.

Speaker 2 (27:00):
But I'll explain exactly why. Okay, when we come back.
And when we come back. Also, you know there have
been continuing attacks on Tesla's and Tesla owners over the weekend. Well,
we're going to let you hear from one pathetic, deranged
loser who got caught red handed attacking somebody's Tesla and
he tried to explain what he was trying to do.
Wait till you hear this one that's coming up next.

(27:22):
Great to be with you on a Monday afternoon. It's
the Rod and Greg Show and Talk Radio one oh
five nine k NRS.

Speaker 1 (27:28):
I got to meet Donald Trump early on in twenty
sixteen when he was running for president. Met his son
Dawn in February of twenty sixteen. Got to meet the
you know, Donald Trump, his dad in March of twenty sixteen,
after he won. He didn't forget me. I got to
go back to the White House the number of times,
you know, for the not just a sight seet. This

(27:48):
is public policy, right, don't be such a cynic Bert. Okay,
So anyway, I've been around, even Queen Bee has been
has had discussions with Donald Trump which have been shockingly
human and on his part asking her. So I'm just
going to tell you that I feel like I know
this guy and who he is, and I know who
his voters are. The reason why people vote for We

(28:11):
love politics and we love public policy. But outside of
a lot of us that are thought leaders or opinion
leaders in our neighborhoods or whatever we do stay involved.
Most people don't trust politicians of any party. They don't
trust politics generally. So there's not a lot that they
get excited about in terms of anyone's authenticity, be it

(28:31):
Republican or Democrat. They're not They're living their lives. They
know politics is a necessary evil, but they don't live breathe, eat, sleep,
drink it. So when you see people that have become
very enthusiastic about Donald Trump, a lot of that is
someone who they think is authentic, someone who's not beholden
to anyone or anything or any institution what he says.

(28:53):
And if you go back and listen to old clips
of him on David Letterman or fil Donna, who even
further back, he is the same guy on a lot
of those world views. There's an authenticity to Donald Trump.
And when Donald Trump then points to a candidate he
likes and he endorses or you know something else, everyone
doesn't just take the you know, the sheet music and

(29:14):
sing off of it. They don't necessarily like even those
that Donald Trump would endorse as much as they like
him as the candidate or the person that they trust
and they want to support. So I don't think that
Donald Trump has always had very long coattails, per se.
I don't think that a lot of people if he
just said if he points at someone, everyone goes there
because he gave the he gave his approval. The people

(29:38):
he points to just aren't him and or they don't
come across as him. So here's the challenge. We win big,
Big Lee and twenty four and now we have these
spring judicial elections in Wisconsin. We have special elections for
congressional seats of vacancies, and we have the most razor
thin majority of Republicans really of any party our nation's history.

(30:00):
In Congress. We're down to three four votes, three votes
it is, so we haven't seen anything this close before.
So everything counts. But man, getting those Trump voters that
are Trump voters, they're not every Republican, they're not traditional
high propensity voters to get out and vote like they
did in November twenty four, that's going to take some

(30:21):
effort because they're not they're not enamored by it. And
I'll tell you this, rod if the Republicans in the
House and in the Senate, if there is any daylight
scene between them and this president, they won't say they
will retain the majorities in the House that were the Senate.
The people aren't going to vote for a Republican merely
because they're a Republican. They better get on with the

(30:41):
program to better support President Trump, and they better support
that overall vision because it's a vision of everyday people
in America. If they try to go their own way,
it's not good luck with that. It's not going to
happen well.

Speaker 2 (30:54):
And that counters with what The New York Times wrote
this past weekend about the demidse of the Democratic Party,
and the Democrats may not even think they're in trouble.
I think this is a great opportunity right now for
the Republican Party to take a strong foothold. Donald Trump's
not going to be around in three years, well four
years now, right.

Speaker 1 (31:14):
Unless, which I'm totally for.

Speaker 2 (31:17):
He said he was going to do. But guess what
constitution like.

Speaker 1 (31:21):
I like making liberals crazy.

Speaker 2 (31:23):
So when we come back in the five o'clock hour,
we're going to take your thoughts on what it's going
to take for the Republican Party to carry on without
Donald Trump, because they're going to have to do it.

Speaker 1 (31:34):
Or I'm telling you they're very Historically, the party out
of power wins the midterms. That's how history has always
shown the American people to vote. How are we going
to hang on to the Republican majorities in the House
in the Senate even in the midterms while he's still here,
let alone two years after that when he's gone.

Speaker 2 (31:50):
After two years, If if Republicans don't control the House,
nothing's going to get done. For now, it simply is
not going to get done. So we'll talk about that
with you. Coming up our number two of the Rotten
Greg Show right after right here on Utah's Talk Radio
one oh five nine can Arrests News Update and we'll
be back. Congratulations to Dave Thompson of Santa Quin. He

(32:23):
is our Thomas Rhett concert winner.

Speaker 1 (32:27):
Tickets so bad to go. It's this is it, folks,
Go go go go. But I didn't. I didn't. I
played it.

Speaker 2 (32:33):
Calm, yes you did. We'll do the same thing tomorrow again.
You listen to the bumper music. It will be a
Thomas Rhet hit and if you're the tenth caller tomorrow,
you'll win the tickets like Dave did today. Down and squin.
Congratulations Dave.

Speaker 1 (32:45):
This is how smart listeners are. I mean I can
see the calls that come in on the screen right
here to my left, and what before I could even
welcome us into the introduction of the show, I could
see the lines already firing up.

Speaker 2 (32:58):
No, no, ready to go, They're ready to go. All right,
let's talk about what we talked about prior to the break,
about the Republican Party where it goes without Donald Trump.
Before we get to that, I just want to quickly
bring up because I know you had a thought or
two on this of the editorial board of the New
York Times, probably the bastion of liberalism or socialism in

(33:20):
this country without a doubt, wrote an up an editorial
this Sunday basically saying the Democrats are in denial about
twenty twenty four. And on top of that, then you
have this story. This story is in Politico where you
have a high ranking Democratic official saying, if we don't
get our s together, then we're going to be a
permanent minority. So you have all this Oh, we've got

(33:42):
to do something, We've got to do something. I'm not
sure if it's going to have any impact.

Speaker 1 (33:46):
Gras well, what I resent from the regime media is
that they get to they talk about the Democrats is
if they haven't been in complete collusion and haven't been
arm in arm, true, hand and glove, part of the
same narrative. They've been part of the very narrative that
they're now criticizing. I'm looking at Today's New York Times
because I sign up for this fish rap so I
can read it, so you don't, folks, so you don't

(34:08):
have to ever have to read this stuff. Well, one
of the headlines is America has never been wealthier. Here's
why it doesn't feel that way yet again, and still
this condescension that you have it so good, you're just
not confident enough or intelligent enough to understand why. It
just there's so many of the headlines that I read
that are anti Trump and so everything that they criticize

(34:31):
the Democrats for doing, they as publications, support it, repeat it,
create it. They're part of the problem.

Speaker 2 (34:38):
Another headline I saw today, I can't remember where it
came from, angry and Democrats have never been this angry.

Speaker 1 (34:45):
Huh, They've never been this angry. Yeah, well they have.

Speaker 2 (34:50):
All because you know why Donald Trump is doing what
he said he would do.

Speaker 1 (34:54):
Well, do you remember the saying that the Democrat Party
had been is now the party of angry women and
weak men.

Speaker 3 (34:59):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (34:59):
Okay, so I and I think that is I think
nothing has changed. I think that is the that's the
way it's looking right now. You know, it reminds me
of when I was a kid, and I was when
I was in high school and I was kind of
a rowdy kid. I have his friend d who's my friend,
and we were out late one night and I was

(35:19):
I was doing something to bother him, and we were
at a burger king and we both got food and
we both had these shakes. And this was late October,
so it was a little chilly outside. Anyway, we got
into an argument and Dee took his milkshake and he
through it and just doused me with his milkshake. No,
I have a milkshake. So I began to chase him,

(35:40):
and I chased him out of that burger king and
he ran, ran and ran, and I wouldn't stop chasing him,
and he got tired, so he ran. It was called
the Rock. It was in Slippy Rock, Pennsylvania, the Rock
Beer Born and there's a big commercial window right there,
and he ran to the window because he because he
can see the guys inside looking at him, and so
he stops and he's like, okay, he can't get me now.
And I thought to myself, if he doesn't think I'm

(36:00):
gonna throw it, I could hit him and not hit
the window. So I pretended like I was going to
give up and walk away, and I turn around and
I throw it my shake at him as fast as
I can. Any side steps it and it splatters the window,
and the two of us just take off running. Okay,
we're running now, that's a belabored build up for this moment.

(36:22):
While D and I are running away from troubles. Okay, yes,
get my friend gets it into his head that he's
going to stop running and he's going to turn to
the people chasing us. They say, go get him, go
get him, go get him. So he stops and he
tries to convince him like he's the one you want.
There's the culprit go after him, and they just grab
him and drag him back. Anyway, that's the Times to me,

(36:42):
that's the New York Times. Go get him, Go get them.
They are part of the problem. They've done it all,
they've been part of it all, and now they were
running with them, and all of a sudden they stop
and they look at us. The everyday American people say
go get them, go get them. Look how bad they are,
Look how bad they are. Well, it didn't work out
for D. It's not going to work out for the
New York Times.

Speaker 2 (36:58):
So that's your take of the New York Time.

Speaker 1 (37:00):
Yeah, that's like my dumb friend D. Yeah, yeah, he
should have never stopped because I went back because I
felt bad for him, and it didn't get better for us.

Speaker 2 (37:08):
Yeah, well what we're what we're setting up for you
today as you're getting in your current heading home. Some
big elections coming up tomorrow, Supreme Court, a congressional race
down in down in Florida. The Democrats are just hoping, Oh,
if we could just win, it would be a sign
that Trump is failing. Yes, you know, they're just they're

(37:28):
just salivating hoping it all goes the Democrats way, Well,
there's a real challenge. Well, we read and talk and
see it on you know, the various talks shows, including
this one talking about the demise of the Democratic Party.
Are Republicans racing to hang on to what they have?
You know, you bring up Donald Trump has never had coattails.

(37:50):
I don't think. Well, maybe you don't think during the
twenty twenty four election he helped a little bit.

Speaker 1 (37:54):
Oh sure, I think he absolutely helped here because they're
running at the same time. But really it's these are
voters that voted for him, that even probably voted down
ticket this time in twenty four. But they're they're they're
for Donald Trump, but they're Trump got them involved. They
were not interested in elections or politicians of any kind.

(38:15):
They are a political I would.

Speaker 2 (38:16):
Argue they are Donald Trump voters, yes, not so much
Republican voters now.

Speaker 1 (38:22):
They'd probably tell you their common sense voters to be
the Republicans now.

Speaker 2 (38:25):
Not Republican Party votes. Well, we want to play a
couple of audio sound blades. This first of all from
Scott Jennings on CNN over the weekend, talking about what
he described, and we've talked about this before, the low
propensity voter.

Speaker 7 (38:37):
You think a couple of things were true.

Speaker 8 (38:39):
Number One, the Republican Party is grappling with a new reality.
We have a lot of voters in the party that
do not vote regularly. They're low propensity voters. They turned
out for Donald Trump. They like to vote when he's
on the ballot. But even in the November election you
saw people show up vote Trump and then leave the
rest of it blank. One of the things the party
has to do is condition those people to show up
even when Trump is not the person they're voting for.

Speaker 7 (39:01):
Number Two, I think the Elon Musk point.

Speaker 8 (39:04):
That you played earlier about the future of Western civilization,
I actually think this is a key issue the Republicans
ought to lean.

Speaker 2 (39:09):
In on what party controls the House.

Speaker 9 (39:12):
You know, to a significant degree, controls the country, which
then steers the course of Western civilization. So it's like,
I feel like this is one of those things that
may not seem that it's going to affect the entire
destiny of humanity, but I think it will.

Speaker 8 (39:29):
Yeah, because it's not just a one off election. When
you're voting in the Wisconsin Supreme Court race or some
congressional special election in Florida, these things matter.

Speaker 7 (39:39):
There are ripple effects. A vote here causes.

Speaker 8 (39:41):
Major implications on policy down the line. So I think
Elon is actually onto something with that messaging, and I
hope Republicans, especially the new ones who aren't regular voters,
take it to heart.

Speaker 2 (39:52):
Well, I hope they do take it to heart. Greg,
And it raised a question, we want to get your
response on this tonight as you're driving home. How does
the hand out because you've got the low propensity voters,
these are the ones that Scott Jennings was talking about
who rarely get involved in politics but did so this time.
Primarily I think you and I would agree because of
Donald Trump. Yes, they think he you know, there's just

(40:15):
something about Trump that they like. Now, how does the
Republican Party take that magic whatever you want to call it,
that aura and turn it into voting for Republican candidates. Yeah,
it's a challenge, I think.

Speaker 1 (40:28):
So it's authenticity, it's he's he is not he is people.
If people don't like politics, it's because they usually have
a trust issue with politicians. They don't trust or the
system as a whole. And we certainly know for the
system as a whole why it is not trustworthy. But
we want people that are as independent and as maybe
his candidate as Trump. That's hard to find across the

(40:48):
board with all the different candidates. But here's a here's
an observation by batcha Unger Sargone. She's been actually on
the show before, she would say she would self identify
as left of center. She says she's a a maga lefty,
and she talks about this we can call low propensity voter.
But what it really is is that we aren't in

(41:08):
a political divide right now. There's a class divide. The
class divide is very different than a political divide, and
it's why people don't always go to the poll by
division of class. I just want to her to explain
this real quick.

Speaker 10 (41:21):
A lot of people on the right struggle to understand
why the Democrats keep picking on eighty twenty issues the
twenty right, and the reason is because the divide in
this country is not political. It is a class divide
that separates out the twenty percent of the over credentialed
college elites from the seventy eighty percent of Americans who

(41:42):
are middle and working class. Trump has unified those people
around a common sense, middle of the road agenda. People
who don't feel that things are going in the right direction.
This is the Democrats base. The elites. The elites are
very polarized, and of course Wall Street for three election
cycles in a row, picked Democrats over Donald Trump because

(42:02):
they don't like the fact that his entire economic agenda
is designed to put money in the pockets of working
class Americans. Middle class Americans, bring the American dream back
for the average person who has been forgotten.

Speaker 1 (42:15):
What president point interesting point that is about the most
clear that's fifty four seconds of absolute truth. And those
people that that Donald Trump works for represents fights for
the everyday people they are. That is not a political
class of people. That is a that's a that's a
that's a class culture. It's yeah, it's an economic class,

(42:37):
and they're working class people. And why why the twenty
percent issues like twenty percent of the non common sense issues,
Because they're the over educated, the college degree, the elite,
the people that look at the rest of us as
we need to socially engineer your lives because you're not
intelligent enough to manage it. Run around. We're so smart,
we're going to tell you what to do and how
to do it. That's that's where the Democrats have really,

(42:59):
that's where they're you know, politics of subtraction have taken them.
They're the twenty percent. Trump has really gathered a coalition
of the working class people, the everyday people, COmON sense people.
But they're just not chomping the bit to vote every
single election cycle because they it wasn't what they always did.
They were just kind of you politicians and you people
that care about that. Good luck to you. We're just

(43:20):
going to go do our thing.

Speaker 6 (43:22):
Well.

Speaker 1 (43:22):
We need them, We need all of us to be
absolutely energized. And President Trump cannot be successful for the
American people if he doesn't have a Congress to work with,
if he doesn't have the Senate. So it's the people
that vote for Trump have to now start looking at
these other types of elections that have so much impact,
good or bad on our future and the president's effectiveness

(43:45):
going forward and even whoever's president after him. And that's
where they have to become a more dependable voting block.
And it'll be remain to be seen whether that happens well.

Speaker 2 (43:55):
And what she just said, he was able to unify
this last of Americans that I think had felt, you know,
left out the issues that the Democrats were talking about
really didn't concern them. They were thinking about economic issues,
they're thinking about immigration issues. So is the Republican Party

(44:15):
or are Republicans thinking about what did he do to
unify those people into this large voting block seventy seven
seventy eight million people and can they do it again?
Or can they do it in these individual house races
that are very very important. So I want to get
we want to get your thoughts on this. I would
love to hear from our audience. Yes, eight eight eight

(44:36):
five seven eight zero one zero eight eight eight five
seven o eight zero one zero. What does the Republican
Party do for those low propensity voters? How does it
hang on to them? Your calls and comments coming up
right here on the Rotten Greg Show. All right, if
you're just joining us, now, here's what we're talking about.
We're talking about the low propensity voter. Now, a lot

(44:56):
of people talked about that during the residential election last year.
Low propensity voter. I guess we would define it as
someone who's not overly interested in politics. They may not
even vote, but they turned out to vote for Donald Trump.
Something about Donald Trump, he was able to unify this
class of voters along with other voters to turn out

(45:18):
because of his economic message. You know, and as we
had a sound bite from against earlier talking about there
really isn't a political divide in this country, but more
of a class divide between the halves and those who
are struggling, and Donald Trump somehow was able to unify them.
In the future. Is the Republican Party thinking about that

(45:38):
and contemplating Okay, Trump's even though he said this weekend
he'd like to run for a third term, most likely
he likes to watch their brains. So what does the
party do to hang on to power? Is there someone
out there? What is it going to take for these
low propensity voters who are Trump voters? Not necessary report voters,

(46:01):
what is the party going to have to do to
maintain them in the Republican House or the House of power?

Speaker 1 (46:06):
You know, I said, for some reason, when I hear
low propensity, it sounds like a pejorative. I'd put it
this way. When I was involved in campaigns and elections,
we stared at what we call likely voters, and what
was a likely voter. We would look at the number
of election cycles last four or five and if you
had been to every even numbered year and off year election,

(46:28):
if you'd voted in primaries as well as general elections,
we knew you were coming to the polls you're going
to vote for someone. And so the likely voters or
where campaigns and elections spend their resources getting in front
of because they are they're the people that are going
to become the by odds, by numbers they can see.
A less likely voter is the one that saw Donald
Trump and for maybe the first time or maybe rarely

(46:51):
do they ever care enough was going to and was
determined to get out and vote for Donald Trump to
see him become president. That is a less likely voter.
So the less instead of low propensity, I like to
say less likely voter how do we get the everyday
American people that are less likely to vote, and how
do we create the urgency that if you want to

(47:11):
see this president at be successful for and on our
behalf and for the American people and for this country.
We have got to get in to these special elections
that are happening in Wisconsin and a special election that's
happening in Florida. When I say we we all have
to be paying attention to these things, and they have
to be on our radar screen and then on our
off yr elections. History says that the party that didn't

(47:33):
win the presidency always does better in the mid terms.
We can't let that happen. We cannot let that happen.
It is and so it's going to take the kind
for less likely voters, which right now I would I
would describe as everyday Americans, people with common sense and
that elitism that's now defining the Democrat Party. They want

(47:55):
no part of that. They need to engage and get
into this. But Republicans have to earn that, folks, I
mean Republicans have to. Those candidates that are running have
to earn the everyday Americans support. Yeah, they have to. Now,
I think there's some good signs for that one. When
Trump was first elected and say he started his first
term in seventeen, Paul Ryan wasn't a big fan. When

(48:19):
he speak of the House, he wasn't a big Fanconnell.
You saw they were kind of arm's length a little
bit from Trump. I don't see that with Speaker Johnson.
I don't see that with him. I don't see that
with as a majority leader soon in the Senate, I
see them far more. The Continued Resolution is a good
example of that budget where they brought people together that

(48:40):
don't typically vote, you know, for budgets like that for
different reasons. But they are coming together to support this
president much more now than they have in the past.
But I go back to if we don't see those
those so called they aren't tax cuts anymore. They're just
what our tax rate is, what was cut in seventeen.
If those taxes go up, why would you vote for

(49:00):
a Republican. Yeah, well, they have a lot on their
to do list that they have to do to support
this president to get less likely voters who support the
president to come and support them in midterms.

Speaker 2 (49:10):
Yeah, well, his popularity is still there. Weekend polls showed
that his approval rating is at a very strong fifty percent. Yes,
much higher, and he is doing well in certain areas
according to the CBS poll.

Speaker 11 (49:22):
This is a story about balance and the things that
are going well in the public mind for him is
his handling of immigration, which is still net positive, and
his deportation program is still net positive and popular.

Speaker 2 (49:37):
Now, those are two issues that he campaigned on and
he's winning on. We talked about this a little bit
earlier about you know the La Times gwinn uh. There's
no one down on the border anymore. Yeah, you know,
they're recognizing that. So the president is doing a job there.
The question is still out, I think, to be honest, Greg,
is how about the economy and you know a lot
of people nervous about the tariffs. Liberation Day according to

(50:00):
President Trump, is coming up on two Wednesday, and we'll
talk about that tomorrow. But there's an issue and we
want to hear from you tonight eight eight eight five
seven oh eight zero one zero eight eight eight five
seven oh eight zero one zero.

Speaker 1 (50:12):
So let's go to the callers. We want to hear
from you, the smartest listening audience in all the land.
Let's go to Harlan and Perry. Harlan, thank you for
calling the Rod and Greg show.

Speaker 12 (50:22):
Well, Hi, how you doing good?

Speaker 1 (50:23):
Thanks for calling? What say you you're bad?

Speaker 12 (50:27):
I think the reason you have trouble with people coming
at the votes because most people think most politicians are liars,
and I don't trust him. How can maybe why should
they vote? I?

Speaker 1 (50:35):
Yeah, yeah, you're you're repeating.

Speaker 2 (50:38):
Good.

Speaker 12 (50:39):
Mister Trump's a statesman. He's not a politician.

Speaker 2 (50:42):
So why do they Harland in your opinion, why do
voters trust Donald Trump and they don't trust other politicians?
What's the difference between the two of them. He's not
a politician?

Speaker 12 (50:52):
What is I can miss? I call mister Trump more
of a statesman. Now, he's got his laws like I
do and you do. But he's not the type of
politician that lie to you.

Speaker 1 (51:02):
Yeah, and here's and I'll give you a good example.
Thank you uh uh Harlan for your call. He will
say uncomfortable truths. He'll say, like, there's a lot of people, look,
I was, I was a public servant. Okay, having having
hard conversations isn't the It doesn't actually reward you when
you tell people things that are uncomfortable it's it's uh.
People can get frustrated by hearing the uncomfortable truth. That is.

(51:25):
That is President Trump's sweet spot is the uncomfortable truth.
He will talk about things. I mean, I am positive
that that the Panama Canal has been an issue and
at least internally in the Pentagon and in the State
Department in terms of China owning the Panama Canal and
how you get in and out of that thing and
how it's harmed America. But we haven't heard about it

(51:46):
as American people. I'm positive that Greenland has been on many
memos about its national security. It's its routes, how and
we never knew a thing about it. I never heard
one thing about the Panama Canal or Greenland until he
became president, and then he had some uncomfortable conversations he
was ready to have with the American people. Who does that?

Speaker 6 (52:04):
Who?

Speaker 1 (52:05):
Yeah, I've never heard it. I've never heard. I have
learned more about the world around me in the time
he's been president than I thought I knew, even though
I was highly involved before him.

Speaker 2 (52:15):
Well, speaking of uncomfortable conversations, Greg, just think about Doge.
I mean, how many Americans out there over the last
twenty thirty forty years, whatever the number is, have thought
government is too big, it's wasteful money, it's wasting our
taxpayer money. And nobody, not one politician Barack Obama said,
I'm going to have a commission to look into that.

(52:36):
Didn't do a darn thing. Donald Trump gets in and
does something. And when we had Glenn in the show,
Glenn back in the show on Friday talking, he shared
with us his story about that him and Trump were
at a rally and they were backstage waiting to go on,
just the two of them, and Donald Trump said one
word to him that you just brought up Panama? Anyone

(52:56):
you know, even Glenny Panama. Wait, you're talking about Panama?
You read now what's going on with Panama? I read
a great article over the weekend about Greenland and its
significance to us. Do you know that Greenland is halfway
between Moscow and Washington exactly halfway?

Speaker 1 (53:10):
Amazing?

Speaker 2 (53:11):
Huh, it's amazing. So you're right, he is not afraid
to bring up conversations that we've never thought of before.
And we're all starting to think, yeah, that makes a
lot of sense.

Speaker 1 (53:21):
It even goes to the signal. The chat line that
they had where you had everything they said there, you
would think there'd be some version of life as that
was shared differently in private than that they're saying publicly.
But it was all consistent, So all things we've heard before.

Speaker 2 (53:34):
Yeah, it is all right. More coming up in your
phone calls eight eight eight five seven eight zero one
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rod K if you just joining us now, we're talking
about what Greg calls the less likely voters. Some people
call him low propensity voters. These are the people who
normally voters like many of you out there. Maybe if

(53:55):
you are, we'd love to hear from you who don't
really get into politics. But maybe during you saw what
happened during the Biden years and you just had had enough.
You saw what Donald Trump was talking to you about.
He's talking about immigration, crime, you know, you know, the economy,
and you said, I'm going to vote for this guy,
and I'm going to trust him that he'll get things done.

(54:18):
He's trying to do things. Greg. But now we have
a new judge blocking again tonight. Here's another judge blocking
the portation of Venzo Will.

Speaker 1 (54:26):
It's there are over seven hundred of these, these district judges,
and it's a daily announcement, this show does. We don't
go one show without a new judge's ruling, you know,
district judge saying that you can't be president. I state,
you cannot carry out what you want to do. It's
it is, there's it has no equal that you've never
seen this with any other president where this has happened.

(54:47):
You've seen it more of the injunctions and things with
Republican presidents and Democrats, but not to this level. We're
up into the hundreds now of these types of you know,
interruptions rules or inserting themselves in the in the way
of a president. But it's just it's so that they
have that going. Here's here's why I have a sympathy

(55:07):
for the less likely voter. If I was not a
big if I wasn't a big participant in elections, and
I had spent most of my life cynical about all
of it, I'm not seeing anything from Doge or anything
that tells me I was wrong. I'm seeing that I
was pretty clued in, right. And then I look at myself,
where I was highly involved in races. And I look

(55:29):
back and I think, man, that I get as sold
a bill of goods on that Patriot Act Act. I
thought that thing was going to save us from the terrorists.
And I look at the things that I believed in,
and I think, man, the military industrial complex maybe may
have had me in the palm of their hand at
some point in terms of my worldview, and so I
can I think I have a lot of sympathy for

(55:50):
someone who says, look, I'm not going to get overly
excited about all these other politicians and people running because frankly,
this is the mess that this political class created. But
we have to overcome that because we can't get this
president and this administration in a place where they can
be successful unless you have these special elections, go the
Republicans way, unless you have the midterms, go bucking history

(56:14):
and go the Republicans' way. Donald Trump needs it, and
he needs the less likely voter to know that that
this is the only way, the only pathway he has
to get accomplished the things that uniquely he can do.

Speaker 2 (56:25):
Well, you know, and he's got Elon Muskin dooge, and
it would be hard to find an American who didn't
believe there's waste and.

Speaker 1 (56:33):
Governments all.

Speaker 2 (56:37):
They've all known it. Well, Musk. Over the weekend he
was in Wisconsin, you and I talked about this. Craig
shared some startling information on Social Security and the waste
and abuse that is taken there. During the rally in
Wisconsin yesterday, he spoke about the millions of dead people
who were found to be listed as live in the
Social Security database. Where's that money going? I mean, if

(57:00):
they're dead, where's this money going? All right? But then
he had Antonio Garcia who uh to explain some of
the things he discovered during his examination of Social Security. Now,
Garcias or Garcias, I'm sorry, is the founder and managing
partner of Valor Equity Partner. It's a close friend of Musk,

(57:21):
and he found a lot of weights in there. As
a matter of fact, listen to this, Greg. In twenty
twenty one, two hundred and seventy thousand non citizens, we're
getting social Security numbers, all right, and that number just climb.
What was it?

Speaker 1 (57:37):
In?

Speaker 2 (57:39):
Is it? Twenty twenty four? That number had jumped to
twenty two point one million people? That happen?

Speaker 3 (57:46):
Me?

Speaker 1 (57:46):
Let me, let me share the climb the trajectory, and
it's pretty scary. Now, by the way, how does a
non sensan get a Social Security number? Good question, Here's
how this works. And they explained this that they're rallying
in Wisconsin yesterday. If you come across, and Biden had
a new way of doing this, and that was, you're
seeking asylum. Say the word asylum, and when they say
you will explain where you come from and why you

(58:07):
feel that you're seeking asylum. Different than someone coming from
a country where they're not afraid and they're not seeking asylum.
All they had to say is I'm too afraid to
tell you. And so what they would do is say,
come on in, here's your court date where you're going
to have to tell a judge at some point, but
that's about three years, four years away. And they began
to let people import of entries through apps and then

(58:30):
even illegally crossing at the wall where there were gaps
where if they told the border patrol asylum, they would
just hand them right there. They would treat it like
a parking ticket and hand them a court date that
is three, four or five years away, six years away.
So then what do they do they're taught by NGOs
and everyone else. Now file for a social Security number.

(58:51):
They put in on an asylum, this is my status,
and they get They don't even have to appear before anybody.
They get they can send away. So in twenty twenty
one that happened two hundred and seventy thousand times, where
people illegals, people coming into this country through this process
I just described, got social security numbers the next year
twenty twenty two, five hundred and ninety, the year after

(59:12):
that in twenty three, nine hundred and sixty four thousand,
and then the year after that two over two million, Yeah,
two point one, So folks, it just kept doubling year
after year. So one year this number, twice that number.
This year, twice that number, the next year, twice that
number this year. Now it's down in twenty five, down
to nine hundred thousand. That's still a massive number, but

(59:34):
our population is not growing by this. These numbers have
newly given social security numbers. So this is this is
a process that is is being done by design, but
it is it is being done to really create as
Elon Musk described, a solid blue Because they voted, they
have found they went and looked at these numbers to
see if they could track any voting and sadly people

(59:55):
that should not have voted.

Speaker 2 (59:57):
Yeah are vote well. And the thing they grossed the
US mentioned is that people within Social Security were helping
them out. Now, you would think a lot of people
within the deep state wouldn't be working with Doge, but
both Musk and Grassia set on stage, we have people
from Social Security coming up and telling us, look over

(01:00:17):
in this area, we can help you find this. So
they had cooperation with people who know fraud is going
on but have never been able willing to come forth
to share that information, and they did with the DOGE
team because I think most Americans are there are some
within the government who realize there's a lot of waste
going on here. We need to we need to trim

(01:00:38):
it out. And they got cooperation from members of the
Social Security administration about this.

Speaker 1 (01:00:43):
If you maybe that that Social Security doesn't collect enough
to actually live up to its obligations to future generations,
how are you adding numbers like this to a system
that you already know is really not sustainable already isn't
before you added these numbers?

Speaker 2 (01:00:58):
All right, your calls, your comments coming up as we
talk about a lot of issues with you tonight eight
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Speaker 1 (01:01:29):
Yeah, you know I I'll go back to this. I
someone just during the commercial break sent me a text
and said, what what's that They're asking me, what's the difference?
Why why the difference to vote for trumpet not vote
in the special elections or in the midterms. Here's the difference.
The people that are less likely to vote. I don't

(01:01:51):
I like that better than low propensity voter. I low, yeah,
I like less likely to be I disagree, But whatever
whatever you want to call them, they are people that
just generally don't trust politicians, and they don't really care
what party you are. They don't trust politicians either side,
either side. They're kissing babies. They're you know, they're promising everything,
and then they think politics reeks, and they think that

(01:02:12):
the government is bloated and they waste their tax dollars,
and so they don't have the highest opinion of politics.
So if you don't have a high faith in politicians
or candidates, and you don't like the system in which
they operate, why would you engage and vote? When you
see a guy like Trump, You're going, Now, that guy
isn't beholden to anybody. There's no ring he's kissing, there's

(01:02:34):
no demographic. He's trying to make, you know, do what
they want him to do. He's not on the hook
for anybody. He really is for everybody, every day person.
This is the only untangled guy we have. But then
you go to special elections in midterms and they it's
back to maybe some more cynicism, even well deserved cynicism.
But the irony there, or the tough part is if

(01:02:57):
that guy you believe in President Trump is going to
be so successful, then you have got to engage. And
we're not talking to our audience. Our audience is the
smartest listening mind sould the world highly highly likely, but
we're talking to a very different demographic here. But the
people you know in your life who don't really want
to be involved, they've got to get involved. They've got

(01:03:17):
to be We've got to be this large, large, unified
body of common sense Americans that are voting on the
eighty percent side of issues, not the elitists, the Democrats
who've separated themselves. We've got to do it. They're paying
for votes, they're paying for protests that we've got. We've
got I don't know if we'll get to it today,
but I've got plenty of material here where the billionaires

(01:03:37):
that they somehow don't like billionaires when their name is
Elon Musk, but they got plenty on the other side
that are paying for these astro turf protests for Tesla
and everything else. They'll give you a hard cold cash
to come and show up and do this stuff. So
you know, they're they're trying to create a sentiment out
there or an image of the people are mad at
Elon Musk and at Trump.

Speaker 7 (01:03:56):
They're not.

Speaker 1 (01:03:57):
This is all astro turf, and it is very well organized,
and it's not It does not include the American people,
the everyday people.

Speaker 2 (01:04:04):
And do you see what the Tesla owners are doing now.
I don't know if you saw this over the weekend,
but they're now getting the little toy Tesla's put them
on the ground. And specially they're like a kid throwing
the temper tantrum, right, So they put these little plastic
cars in the ground and they beat them with a hammer.

Speaker 1 (01:04:19):
So they're doing that instead of hitting the cars.

Speaker 2 (01:04:21):
They're hitting the cars. You know. I mean, if you
ever had a kid out there, a child out there
who just is a rascal and gets angry and starts
banging things, that's what these guys are doing. And the
other thing that we picked up on we were talking
about how the information, the fraud, the waste that we've
seen in social Security. Guess who Elon Musk is going

(01:04:43):
after next? Who you're ready?

Speaker 6 (01:04:46):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:04:47):
Members of Congress who somehow got strangely wealthy. Yeah, isn't weird,
say Nancy Pelosi.

Speaker 1 (01:04:57):
Yeah, this is where he needs to watch out. Even me,
I'm saying, man, you know, you're you're there's some there's
some sacred cows out there that he's he's ready.

Speaker 2 (01:05:08):
To make some hamburgers. He said at that meeting last night.
He that rally in Wisconsin last night, he claims, And
I think we've seen this that some members of Congress
are lining their pockets with government dollars. Man, you're looking
to me like, you better not go there. I know

(01:05:29):
I have to go there.

Speaker 1 (01:05:30):
No, I do I think he should. I think he should.
I just uh, to the degree that you're interrupting the
status quo, I just wonder where the other side, how
how brutal it's going to get. I mean, you know
they're not going down without a fight. This is Look,
if you look at these judges, these federal judges, the
spider web of their connection to NGOs, to nonprofits, to

(01:05:52):
household income. Uh, that's related to the very things that
they're ruling on and stopping Trump from doing. These are
such glaring conflicts of interest, and yet they get away
with it. They're able to do it well.

Speaker 2 (01:06:05):
And there are members of Congress on both sides of
the Aisle greg who are guilty of this. Nancy Pelosi,
of course, they make one hundred and seventy four thousand
dollars a year, right, yes, her net worth is now
two hundred and fifty million dollars a year. Rick Scott
from Florida, Okay, his net worth now hovers around five
hundred and fifty two million dollars. So what's going on here?

Speaker 1 (01:06:27):
They came in with it, that's one thing. But look here,
here's something that I just think would be the easiest
rule in the world. Members of congresshouldn't. There's actually a
Democrat member of Congress. She was in She might be
indicted this week, but she's been at least accused of
inside trading, hadn't traded in a while, and the stock
she purchased one up one hundred and sixty percent within
no time. There's people there's actually you can actually follow

(01:06:50):
the trades of members of Congress to try and kind
of draft their inside trading that they're doing. How about
just make it a rule you don't trade, Like, how
about just be a member of congres and leave the
stock trading to somebody else. Yes, it minimally is an
appearance of conflict.

Speaker 2 (01:07:07):
Yeah, all right, when we come back, we'll talk about Democrats.
They won't admit the toll that COVID took on all
of us. Coming Wednesday, the President is calling it America's
Liberation Day. That's when he imposes the tariffs. We'll get
into more of that tomorrow, but still a lot going on.
Great to be with you tonight. I'm Rod Arquet, I'm
citizen Hughes. All right. We have talked a lot over

(01:07:28):
the last couple of weeks about COVID, and that's why
I wanted to bring my next guest on, good friend
of the show. Always enjoying having David on the show.
We're talking about David Harzani, senior writer at The Washington Examiner.
He wrote an article this weekend about the Democrats still
won't admit the toll of their COVID hysterian David, as
I mentioned, joining us on our newsmaker line right now, David,

(01:07:49):
how are you welcome to the Rod and Greg Show.
Great to have you back, David.

Speaker 13 (01:07:53):
Always a pleasure to be here.

Speaker 2 (01:07:54):
Thank you, David. Why won't they admit it? Why won't
they admit the toll that their hysteria took on all
of us during COVID?

Speaker 6 (01:08:03):
I don't know.

Speaker 13 (01:08:03):
I guess there are many reasons why. One is, no
one likes to admit that they were wrong. Secondly, I
think that though maybe they will begrudgingly admit that a
lot of the lockdowns and so forth, especially schools didn't work.
I think the underlying methods, meaning using the state to
shut down things or using the state to dictate what

(01:08:26):
you can do in a crisis. I think that they
like those mechanisms and would not want to give them up.
So that might be one reason they don't admit, you know,
what went on during COVID.

Speaker 2 (01:08:38):
They try to sort of.

Speaker 13 (01:08:39):
Either admit to something less lesser than they actually did,
or kind of you know, both sides the issue and
pretend that the right was equally involved in those shutdowns.

Speaker 1 (01:08:50):
Well, you you actually point out that they break their
arm patting themselves on the back for being critical thinkers
in a time where they were nothing nothing like that.
There was no we're the party that likes to think
things out and we're not. We don't we don't embrace
demagoguery or whatever they whatever they tried to say was
there was their approach. They they were, I mean, they

(01:09:14):
were the worst. They were the ones that would attack
you for any kind of contrary thought. Even suggestion that
the Wuhan Laboratory vi ar what is it called the
COVID Vira Laboratory of Virology, whatever it was, could it
possibly have come from the labu it was it was
just heresy to even suggest such a thing. But in
this article they weirdly like to say, no, no, we

(01:09:37):
were we were really just you know, following the science,
having an open debate. You what do you Why are
they gonna get away? In other words, they ain't away
with this. They they are explaining their conduct in ways
that doesn't resemble their conduct.

Speaker 13 (01:09:51):
Yeah, I don't think they've they've gotten away with it, honestly.
I mean, I guess there are two things to say.
One is that you know, we have to how can
I say this? Mostly the people involved in this reckoning,
so called the reckoning our journalists. We're talking about journalists
here and of course to some extent in the past,

(01:10:11):
maybe not moving forward. You listen to public health officials,
I mean, you assume they had our best interests at heart,
and you assume that they would be telling us the truth.
But that didn't happen. And the media, which you know,
would would not be skeptical at all of anything Fauci said.
They would literally work as organs of the state, you know,

(01:10:33):
you know, telling us what to do, attacking people who
didn't do it. Well, you know, this guy who wrote
this piece I'm talking about Jonathan Shaite. He says, you know,
things were fast moving, we didn't really know what was
going on, so then you assume you'd be judicious in
your tone.

Speaker 6 (01:10:50):
Right.

Speaker 13 (01:10:50):
But he wrote a piece calling Republicans a death cult
in Florida.

Speaker 12 (01:10:55):
Right.

Speaker 13 (01:10:55):
That doesn't sound like someone who's kind of pondering what
to do. That sounds like someone who knows what's going on.

Speaker 2 (01:11:00):
Not right.

Speaker 13 (01:11:01):
So I think that they I think I mentioned this
in the piece. I think that they admit to transgressions
which are far less than they've actually committed.

Speaker 6 (01:11:09):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 13 (01:11:09):
It's like, what did I say? It's kind of like
admitting to shoplifting when you've actually just you know, been
part of an armed.

Speaker 2 (01:11:18):
Robberty at back, you know, David, let me ask you this.
I mean, you mentioned the journalist. But for those who
were making all the decisions and really trying to tell
the American people what was going on misleading us, has
there really been much self reflection on their part?

Speaker 1 (01:11:34):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:11:35):
I don't think so.

Speaker 13 (01:11:37):
I do think initially, listen, it was something that hadn't
happened to us in one hundred years or whatever. And
I understand I think in the beginning was it was
it was something that you know, we weren't sure what
to do. But that doesn't mean you know, what really
bothered me about it obviously a lot of things, But
what really bothered me is that all of a sudden
we threw out all the rules the state told churches
to shut down, I mean, without legislation, without a debate,

(01:12:00):
completely just discarded the constitution, and a lot of us
were a lot of people went along with it because
they were so scared. And that scares me that we
were so easily malleable to this all. You know, I
don't know that it's going to happen again, but I
think that that was really it was really a bad
thing that no I want was to put.

Speaker 1 (01:12:19):
It well, I'll tell you the environment that quickly became
this as you point out, and it's scary that it did.
The churches are closing down, the schools are closing down.
We had in Utah for a short time. If we
crossed the state line, our phones would erupt like an alert,
and that you would see this message come across your
phone saying who are you, where are you going? Why

(01:12:40):
are you going there? And we started asking you questions
just if you so, it was surreal. There are no
scientists in the Hughes home. Okay, but I will tell
you that my wife, who I affectionately call Queen Bee,
she said her moment where she knew everything was wrong
was the moment when all of this was going on. Churches, schools,
everything was being shut down. There was a BLM, you know, rally, riot,

(01:13:04):
whatever you want to call it. And Fauci said, I
think it's perfectly fine and safe for people to be
able to participate in that, in that in that rally
and get together that way. And when she heard that,
she knew that in the face of what we were
being told, we couldn't do that. All bets were off,
the huge home checked out, we were done. We weren't
going to do it. So my question, I guess, is,
after that example, is is America going to be this way?

(01:13:27):
I mean, if they tried to pull something like this again,
are we fool us once? Shame on you, fools twice?
Shame on us? I mean, are we going to go
Are we going to be suckered into this again?

Speaker 14 (01:13:38):
No?

Speaker 13 (01:13:39):
I don't think so. And I should say Fauci lied
about a lot of things. We learned and I'm not.
You know, it's clear that he did, and he also
tried the sensor. People disagreed with him. And the thing
is this, though, because of that, we've destroyed trust in
public health institution, institutions and agencies. I mean, I think
we have no one trusts anyone anymore. That's not great either.
So they've created this, this this kind of environment where

(01:14:03):
we have a crisis. No one's going to listen to
them anymore, even when they maybe should. So my answer,
I guess is no, people don't trust them. And that
might be a good thing, but you know, who knows,
they might also be a bad thing. But I blame them,
you know, I blame them for for how they acted
during that hole uh you know, pandemic, and I you know,
I don't know how you recover from that. I think

(01:14:24):
it's going to take a long time.

Speaker 2 (01:14:25):
David Can Can Can. We blame them as well for
the rush on toilet paper, in the fact that I
still have dreams of toilet paper in.

Speaker 1 (01:14:35):
To the toilet paper were out of it, And I
go back to that.

Speaker 2 (01:14:38):
I mean, we're rushing to buy toilet paper, We're rushing
to buy paper, towels, What on earth was that all about?

Speaker 13 (01:14:45):
Yeah, I mean it sneeze in public and they look
at you like you were attempting murderer, right, I mean
it was crazy, but you were a hoarder.

Speaker 6 (01:14:52):
You're lucky they didn't catch you.

Speaker 2 (01:14:53):
At the time, because that was a big no. No.
David is always great having me on the show. Thanks
for the thoughts, and I you know, we'll hobby on again.
Thanks David, Thank you have the good work. All right,
David Artistan You're right, Greg, I mean I go why
did we allow it to happen?

Speaker 1 (01:15:11):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:15:11):
Well was that? I mean you would feel good? I
mean standing in circle six feet apart, wearing a mask,
not being able to go to church? Why did we
allow this to happen? What was so scary about that?

Speaker 1 (01:15:26):
We had We had someone from the Health Department who
had who had done modeling saying that we could have
up to a million people in Utah dying. Yeah, that's
a big number when you're a three and a half
million populated state to say a million people could die
from this. Yeah, there was a lot of modeling, a
lot of fear mongering, there was, and you even saw
our our newspapers. You remember when the Soul Lake Tribune

(01:15:47):
said that the National Guard should arrest anyone that's outside
their home and everybody should be locked in their homes.
That's the same editorial board that wrote that that had
written when we put people had called the homelessness like
a virus or something, said, well, there's nothing government can
do for that's that's so so, I mean really had
taken that analogy and ridiculed it when comparing it to

(01:16:10):
the issue of homelessness. And then literally when you had
a pandemic and had a virus, wanted to have laws
that we're going to somehow keep this respiratory virus from spreading,
which they can't create a law that'll do that well.

Speaker 2 (01:16:22):
And even the news made it and our own news
people every day there are eight hundred and fifty four
confirmed cases now of COVID. There are nine hundred and
twenty two confirmed case and you're going, Okay, how many
cases of cold are out there? How many cases of
flu are out there?

Speaker 1 (01:16:37):
You know, there was a so going back to that time,
I was just leaving office, and maybe it was a
good thing because we would have been like an Amish colony,
an Amish community. I wouldn't have done any of this,
and we'd all got it really quick, and I think
we would have had we'd have gotten a lot of criticism, probably.
But the whole issue, as I understood even back then,
was emergency room beds. The capacity emergency room. This is

(01:16:58):
what it was. And even if you didn't have COVID,
if you had so many people occupying those beds and
then you had a heart attack or someone with a
stroke and there was no capacity for other emergencies, that
was going to be a problem too.

Speaker 6 (01:17:09):
Well.

Speaker 1 (01:17:09):
One of the answers that I, you know, I was
just out of leadership. So I had thought to myself,
this is where you go and get a salt palace,
and you go put the emergency room beds. And we
had gone over earlier in the year to New York
State and sent nurses and doctors over there. Have them
come now over to Utah if necessary, create a capacity
emergency room beds. Don't try to shut everything down in

(01:17:32):
a way that's totally ineffective and infringing on our liberties.
But we didn't do that. I mean, if it was
all about emergency room beds, there were other ways, smart
ways to create capacity for emergency room beds that did
not also include taking away our civil liberties?

Speaker 2 (01:17:47):
Did you learn think friends to COVID. I lost two friends.
One was an older gentleman, another one was a gentleman
about my age but had heart problems.

Speaker 1 (01:17:59):
Yeah. I know people that passed away, and some of
it was sad where they were separated from their family,
and the family wonders to this day if they had
been able to be care for that loved one, if
they would have gone versus being stuck in a room
by themselves just to you know, just passing away the
way they did it. I know people that the common

(01:18:19):
denominator as I as I observed it was comorbidities age.
If you had had cancer and you'd had treatments and
your immune system had been maybe harmed from your cancer treatments.
Ors smokers, if it's if it's a respiratory virus and
you use your lungs by smoking it all the time,
you might this might be something that you're more vulnerable to.
So there was there were I saw some some vulnerabilities,

(01:18:42):
clear vulnerabilities out there that needed to be taken very seriously.
But children were never at risk, and yet they all
had to be forced into getting these vaccines and pushing
people that were less likely to get it into into
the communities of people that were more likely or more
threatened by it, older people was wrong, you know, together

(01:19:04):
and there they anyway, there was just I just thought
that it was crazy. Yeah, and I most of the
almost our family we didn't get the vaccine. We but
you know, I take it. I go that kiosk at
the parking lot and do a test. I do an
antibody test. I did at anybody test once a month
to prove I was healthy as a horse.

Speaker 2 (01:19:25):
Yes, yeah, all right, mare coming up on the Rod
and Greg Show and Utah's Talk Radio one oh five
nine can or.

Speaker 1 (01:19:30):
Get to our get on the iHeartRadio app and get
to the podcast if you missed any portion of this
show or any show. Yeah, every night and then I
give you Jesse Kelly a listen to. He's all the rage.
He's fun to listen to. When we leave here, you know,
I listen to him all the way home. We let
the party continue and I just listened to him, uh,
you know, give his take, which is always good. He's
super nice. When we were at the National Republican Convention,

(01:19:52):
he was next to us we were in the bigger booth.
He was in a smaller one next to us.

Speaker 2 (01:19:56):
That No, he had set up. We were kind of
in a closet.

Speaker 1 (01:20:00):
No, no, we're nowhere. We're right next one by. He
was super nice, he sat down, but he's a he's
a fun guy. Super tall too.

Speaker 2 (01:20:09):
Like six to eight.

Speaker 1 (01:20:11):
Yeah, I felt like shrimps. He's good, he's good to
listen to. He's a good show.

Speaker 2 (01:20:15):
Well, the demonstrations against Tesla carried on this weekend almost
every major city. They now come up with this Tesla
protest dance. Did you see these people dancing against this?
You've done the I mentioned this earlier. They're now buying
toy Tesla's little plastic cars toys and put them on
this through on the road and pound them with a hammer.

(01:20:35):
It's like a kid throwing a temper tantrum. I mean,
I just can't believe this.

Speaker 1 (01:20:40):
And and I think the American people watch this and
it's just it's so sophomore, it's so it's so ridiculous.
But not every nutjob got the memo that these cars
record you coming near their cars. Because you have a
recording where a guy gets caught red handed. Yeah, vandalizing
one of these Tesla Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:20:58):
Well this this guy is pathetic and deranged. He's an
idiots right, But he's even really screwed when he finds
out he did it right in front of a Tesla
owner service service.

Speaker 15 (01:21:09):
How about you pay for the repairs, write a check.
You just bought a test, I can wipe it off. No, no,
it's not. It is a hate crime. It is a
hate crime that sup. Did you write a swastika on this?

Speaker 2 (01:21:21):
You're upset? Did you write a it didn't even work?

Speaker 15 (01:21:25):
Did you write a swastika on the it's a key, sir,
we see it on the video?

Speaker 1 (01:21:29):
Did you Is it a swastaasa?

Speaker 2 (01:21:36):
Is it?

Speaker 1 (01:21:38):
It's at the police right now.

Speaker 2 (01:21:39):
It's being fingerprinted. What do you mean?

Speaker 1 (01:21:41):
It's being fingerpt because they are trying to track you down.

Speaker 16 (01:21:44):
Thankfully, Facebook tracked you down, so your business, your freaking livelihood,
everything now because you chose to write a U so
tough Facebook that you're sorry for writing a swastika on a.

Speaker 17 (01:21:57):
Testlasten, I said, I I'm sorry for what and I apologize.

Speaker 1 (01:22:02):
I have nothing against you are and I have nothing
against you? So why did you write a swastika? Obviously?
I have something against Elon Musk, but that's.

Speaker 2 (01:22:11):
Not because.

Speaker 14 (01:22:15):
It was so.

Speaker 2 (01:22:16):
It was bought and paid for a long time. That's
why it's misguided.

Speaker 1 (01:22:19):
And obviously I did not intend to do this.

Speaker 2 (01:22:21):
They're going to wait for the did you hear the
guys say, you're doing what? I know the finger prints,
they're doing what I mean. One, this is what everybody
needs to do. If you own a tesla, just tell them, hey,
I've got you on camera and I'm calling police right now.

Speaker 6 (01:22:39):
Yeh.

Speaker 1 (01:22:39):
Look, and they are taking it seriously with this administration.
It is terrorism. It is domestic terrorism. It's damaging people's
cars that it's organized. And I think even this, uh,
this this group what do they call themselves, Indivisible Project,
Let's see, yeah, they they are. This isn't again, this
is not some great Rachel Mattaw was on MSNBC saying,

(01:23:02):
I sent something different amongst American people. Look how they're
rising up. Look how it's across the country. There's some
rage going on. Know what's going on is there is
a very well funded, organized effort that has the messages down,
has the images that you know, I printed them out
today before the show of the signs that you can
hold up that that say that the criticize the Elon

(01:23:27):
Musk and Doja's efforts. And again, it's all organized, it's
all helped. And who's doing it. It's the wealthy. It's
the people that don't want this cash flow interrupted at all.
And so they're there. And by the way, do we
have time to listen to this from Joe Rogan's forty seconds. Yeah,
the people even going to these going and doing the

(01:23:48):
protesting and everything else. They're not everyday people. There might
be some sheeople in the crowd, but listen to who's
really going to this. Joe Rogan spoke about this recently.

Speaker 18 (01:23:59):
Thirty thousand people, but they got all the cell phone
data and they found that there's twenty four thousand cell phones,
so they fudged a little bit. That sounds normal, But
they also said that a huge number of these people
had been to twenty plus events and a lot of
other different like progressive events, and it seems like at

(01:24:20):
least in some of them, for sure, they were paying people.
So they're giving people money to get on a bus,
go to this place.

Speaker 7 (01:24:27):
Here's your sign, go have fun.

Speaker 18 (01:24:30):
And so you're doing something different, right, You're pretending that
these people are all coming out to see you, but
they're coming out to see you because you're giving them
money in free food.

Speaker 6 (01:24:39):
Right.

Speaker 1 (01:24:40):
So again we talked about the less likely voter, low
prefensive voter. Twenty plus events. Okay, forget about voting. You
know in special elections are in off in mid terms
or in election years or presidential election years. These are
people that, in addition to that, would go to twenty
plus events and actually probably get paid to do it.
That is not a grassroots That is astro turf. Beginning

(01:25:02):
mill an end. There's nothing real about that. All these
things you see in these congressional meetings where the members
of Congress go and these town halls are filled with
angry people. This is paid for. This is all astro turf.

Speaker 2 (01:25:14):
We have a name in the radio business for people
who are always trying to win. Contest. Yes, we call
them contest pakes.

Speaker 6 (01:25:22):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:25:22):
What we're seeing here protest peaks.

Speaker 1 (01:25:25):
They make a good living doing Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:25:27):
They make a good living doing it. They have signs.
All they do is have to show up. They have
their talking points. It's all they have to do.

Speaker 1 (01:25:33):
Yeah, there was an article where they used to be
able to go right onto the site with all the
information I have and just access it to get your
two hundred bucks. And then when it got found out,
they didn't take it off the site. They just made
it two more clicks harder to find. But this Indivisible
project is a again Soros funded, billionaire funded even though

(01:25:53):
they say, you know, people over billionaires. It's amazing funded
by billionaires and there because they're talking about Musk there,
But anyway, it's it's just it's not real, folks. It's
meant to create fear. It's meant to create worry. It's
supposed to make you think, wow, look at Trump and Elon.
They're really creating a lot of chaos. We'd like a calmer,
quieter life than what they are creating. Sure, they are

(01:26:16):
not creating this chaos. No, it's the people that are
on the receiving end of their discovery of fraud and
in waste that are creating the kiss all.

Speaker 2 (01:26:25):
Right, More coming up on this Monday evening edition of
the Rod and Greg Show on Talk Radio one oh
five nine knrs. Apparently the sterling over the KUTV two
News weather team, Greg telling us brace for a little
bit of snow, overnight.

Speaker 1 (01:26:40):
Yeah, this just it's cruel and unusual. We have just
got to get in the spring, and it better not
be one of these scenarios where we go through all
this snow in the mountains, some on the valley, whatever
it's supposed to be, and then all of a sudden
it's summertime and we got ripped off the whole spring.

Speaker 2 (01:26:53):
That's what my wife here, she goes, we'll go from
sixty maybe seventy up to ninety and one hundred.

Speaker 1 (01:26:59):
I mean it's gonna be forty threes a high tomorrow. Yeah,
come on, yeah, I know it. I'm and it's going
to continue this way all week. We don't even get
into the sixties. Still, what sometime next day, Monday, Monday,
we may get into it. Wow, how about seventies? Says
Wednesday will be sixty nine?

Speaker 2 (01:27:15):
Oh wow, next Wednesday or this Wednesday.

Speaker 1 (01:27:19):
No, next one, not this coming Wednesday, the Wednesday after that.

Speaker 2 (01:27:22):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:27:22):
It's like a ten day forecast. Yeah, ten day forecast.
So the last day of this ten day forecast, they're
giving us some hope right at the end of the
tunnel that'll probably change.

Speaker 2 (01:27:31):
Yeah, I'll excite all right, We've got a lot to
get to still to come here on the Rotting Greg Show.
But joining us now is Orn McIntyre. He's the author
of a brand new book. It is called The Total State,
How Liberal Democracies become Tyrannies, and he's joining us on
our Newsmaker line right now orin thank you very much
for joining us. Tell us about the book and what

(01:27:51):
it's all about.

Speaker 3 (01:27:52):
Well, I think, like a.

Speaker 19 (01:27:53):
Lot of people, I grew up listening to Rush Schlimbaugh
and going to Says class and middle school and believe
being that the Constitution and the Bill of Rights and
the separation of powers, these are the things that protect
us from tyranny. And then we had COVID, We had
the lockdowns all of a sudden. We couldn't go to church,
but the strip clubs were open. We couldn't go to

(01:28:14):
the funeral of a loved one, but people could write
in the streets. And so I said, Okay, something about
what I learned about politics isn't applying here. Something is happening.
We've broken from the constitutional order as we understand it.
What's going on, And that's really what the book was about,
is me going on an intellectual journey reading through several
different political theoris and try to understand what happened and

(01:28:35):
how we could fix it.

Speaker 1 (01:28:36):
So or we had a bill that just passed our
Utah legislative session where a curriculum and higher education state
institutions of higher education on Western civilization. It's history, so
our history at the world history as some of the
classic education curriculum coming back to our schools. I graduated
in the nineties. I didn't know that we had lost

(01:28:58):
so much of our foundation history and some of the
curriculum that were just general led back when I was
a student. Would you point to some of what's happening
in our schools K through twelve higher education where our
liberties are now maybe not well understood or more easily
taken away from us because of the environment or type
of classes that kids are exposed to in school K

(01:29:22):
through twelve are higher ed.

Speaker 19 (01:29:24):
I think that's true. As someone who's taught high school
history not too long ago, I am very familiar with
the limitations and problems that are in public schools. And
I think it's beyond just the American hating that we
see in schools. I think all of us recognize the
wokeness the America hating all the stuff that gets pushed
in the public education system. But beyond that, I think

(01:29:45):
even those who were receiving a Civics education that doesn't
hate America often don't know the history of how our
constitutional protections actually came to be. That our founders only
again made that constitution for a moral and religious peopleeople
who were well grounded in the traditions and ways of
being of the American people. Just teaching people, you know,

(01:30:06):
slogans and platitudes is insufficient to actually protect our rights.
And we can see that because when tyranny comes, all
of those really soft barriers, these platitudes fell over. People
who claimed that they cared about free speech or freedom
of religion were suddenly willing to sacrifice it for some
level of safety when it came to a disease. And

(01:30:27):
that's just in direct opposition to the classic understanding that
should be taught in American schools that simply does not
exist anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:30:35):
All right, let's talk about democracy itself. Does democracy the
way it is today or the way it's going not
limiting government but allowing government to expand.

Speaker 19 (01:30:45):
Yes, And that's the argument I make in the book,
is the form of democracy that we have embraced in
fact breaks down what were our republican limitations on government.
Most people don't think about this, but originally democracy was
limited to being one half of one third of the
American government. That was all that was actually selected by

(01:31:06):
the democratic process, and even then the franchise was relatively narrow.
The founders spoke out pretty explicitly about the dangers of
raw democracy and how it would immediately erode the.

Speaker 6 (01:31:19):
Rights that were meant to be placed in the Constitution.

Speaker 19 (01:31:22):
And protected by it. And in our mass democracy, where
the left is often using all of the institutions that
it controls, from the media, entertainment, academia, to control the
flow of information and to censor what's available and to
indoctrinate kids that are out there, what we get is
a democracy that is driven by propaganda and ideology rather

(01:31:45):
than one that actually represents the will that is supposed
to be evident in the American government.

Speaker 1 (01:31:52):
So you rattled off at the beginning of this discussion
the contradictions of the state of emergency. The clubs and
the abortion clinics allowed to be open, the churches are closed,
the hospitals you can't walk into, and that went on
and on. I have young, young kids who actually graduated
on a year of COVID and saw their liberties as

(01:32:13):
young people taken away, and you have this term that
you use, American authoritarianism. They felt that they felt that
in their lives different than how they saw kids going
to school graduating prior to them. So my question is this,
Have we have polling and exit polls that say that
this youngest generation maybe eighteen to twenty four, maybe sometimes

(01:32:33):
counted at eighteen to twenty nine, are more conservative or
identifying more right of center, willing to vote for Trump,
consider themselves Republicans than ever before. Is that a reset
given the American authoritarianism that we saw, that will help
preserve our democratically elected republic or do you think that
the genies out of the bottle in terms of how

(01:32:55):
far we've gone away from maybe what our founders intended.

Speaker 19 (01:33:00):
Well, I think you're right to say that this is
something that is casting to die when it comes to
America's youth. There are many people who I think are
far more right wing or conservative because of what has
happened here. But the governing in the state of Exception
that you pointed out there is really key and something
that I talk about in the book at links. When

(01:33:21):
the government gets used to ruling in the state of exception,
and there is always a state of exception, No constitution,
no matter how great, can predict every single outcome. Then
that means that there is always a human making decisions,
and that means that we as conservatives have to be
far more vigilant about who is in power, because if

(01:33:42):
the people who are able to declare the state of emergency,
to declare the state of exception, do not have your
interests in mind, even if you have an amazing constitution
that guarantees so many privileges and so many rights, what
we see is that ultimately that can be run over
if people are not vigilant, if they do not believe
in the rules. Instead of just allowing the government to

(01:34:04):
constantly be in the state of exception, so we do
have to dial back the place we've gone when it
comes to allowing the government to constantly rule in a
state of exception. If we don't change that, then just
because people get more conservative doesn't necessarily solve that problem.
So I think that is an encouraging move towards something
that will resolve that issue. But we have to change

(01:34:27):
the fact that we have become comfortable with our government
ruling in a state of exception in the first place.

Speaker 2 (01:34:32):
Aarren McIntyre joining us on our newsmaker line talking about
his brand new book called The Total State. All Right,
a lot to come here on the Rott and Greg
Show as we wrap up. One more segment to go.
Then we turned over to Jesse Kelly tonight. It's being
on fast it always does.

Speaker 1 (01:34:46):
Yes, a lot to unpack there in that interview, but
there's a lot that's going on. That's I mean, it's
we are living in historic times right now.

Speaker 17 (01:34:55):
Yeah, for sure, without a doubt, transformative times, I think
absolutely see if the country is willing to transform itself
back to what it was years ago and not to
the social democracy that the Democrats want to do.

Speaker 1 (01:35:07):
Well, there's an eighty percent to twenty percent, but the
eighty percent have.

Speaker 2 (01:35:11):
To get You have to buck up and get involved.

Speaker 1 (01:35:13):
They had to get hair on fire, get to work,
and that's that's going to be the challenge.

Speaker 2 (01:35:16):
They sure do. All Right, more coming up. As we
mentioned on the Roden Greg Show Radio app end of
a long day, End of a long day, you had
a major problem at your homewarns a weekend, but it's
obviously has been a resolve.

Speaker 1 (01:35:29):
I think I think it's being resolved in real time
as we speak.

Speaker 2 (01:35:32):
As water heater went out and I think a cold show.

Speaker 1 (01:35:36):
Go to a repair person right before the show started.
Guess what, Huh he listens to the show.

Speaker 2 (01:35:41):
Yeah he does.

Speaker 1 (01:35:42):
Yeah, so glad to have one of the you know,
when you're the smartest listing audience all the land, it's
always good to know that the smartest listening ISNs also
is the smartest repair man.

Speaker 2 (01:35:52):
Well, you may not have hot water tonight, but you
should have a bye tomorrow morning.

Speaker 1 (01:35:56):
Yeah. Well it's Queen Bee that's about to you know,
loose like man I might be, you know, camping out. Uh,
I'm coming to your house. I'm going to the Urket homes.
We don't have water here tonight because we've been out
for a couple of days.

Speaker 2 (01:36:15):
Remember the uh the testimony before Congress last week, the
head of PBS and NPR appeared before the House Committee
and said we are biased. Yeah yeah, yeah, right right. Well,
even over the weekend, Bill Maher with a Real Time
on HBO. I've never watched the full show. But I
sure do like lifting sound bites. That's what he had

(01:36:36):
to say. But he couldn't stomach what NPR CEO offered
during that congressional testimony.

Speaker 14 (01:36:42):
I mean I also read my namesake. Catherine Maher was
head of NPR, and you know she said, we're completely unbiased.
Give me a break, lady. I mean they're crazy far left.
So I mean I think we're pas. Yes, my view,
were past the age really where the government? First of all,

(01:37:04):
they why do we need to subsidize? Why can't we
have outlets like this? And we're so polarized. These outlets
became popular at a time when Republicans and Democrats didn't
hate each other and were' out each other's throats and
didn't think each other was an existential threat. In that world,

(01:37:25):
you can't have places like this, I think anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:37:28):
No, I don't think you can, and I don't think
the public should be paying for them. Greg, Is that easy?

Speaker 1 (01:37:32):
Yeah? By the way, Queen Bee clarified, my kids did
watch a lot of Sesame Street.

Speaker 6 (01:37:36):
I forgot.

Speaker 1 (01:37:36):
We did watch a lot of Elmo. I forgot Almo
is part of Sesame Street. It wasn't part of Sesame Street.
When I was watching as a kid, but we watched,
we consumed a lot of Sesame Street when my kids
are growing up. However, I do think that that the
need for PBS, the need for NPR is over. I
don't think we need to. Don't think that. And it
certainly isn't a taxpayer nationally well represented, fairly represented journalism

(01:38:00):
of any sort. It is all left of center, unapologetically,
so we don't we shouldn't have to pay for that.

Speaker 2 (01:38:07):
Here here for the new Interior Secretary, Doug Bergham. Guess
what he's doing? What bringing fireworks back to Mount Rushmore? Nice?
Can you believe that? July twenty July fourth big celebration
and he's bringing them back?

Speaker 12 (01:38:22):
You know what?

Speaker 1 (01:38:23):
You know what's so weird?

Speaker 6 (01:38:24):
Though?

Speaker 1 (01:38:24):
I am the most, I'm the most. I love history.
I don't like change. I'm like rain Man from the
movie you know, in nineteen eighty eight with Dustin Hoffman,
Tom Cruise. I'm like grain Man.

Speaker 12 (01:38:33):
Just like so.

Speaker 1 (01:38:35):
I love fireworks. I do, and if you try to
take him away, I do think it's it's absolutely.

Speaker 2 (01:38:39):
Entire American, fanti American.

Speaker 1 (01:38:41):
Yeah, especially fourth of July especially. But all that said,
have you seen these drones, Like if you get those
school shows, the trump I'm telling you some of these
drone shows are actually more ooh and ah than old
school fireworks.

Speaker 2 (01:38:57):
Now, but don't don't, don't take away the fireworks.

Speaker 1 (01:39:00):
How do you put the drone up in there? If
you put in the.

Speaker 2 (01:39:01):
Fireworks, do you do the fireworks? No, the drone first,
bring them down, then put up the fireworks. Because I'm
digging those drone shows. Man, those things crazy, but that's cool.
He's going to bring them back to Do you have
a desire to go to around Mount Rush?

Speaker 14 (01:39:14):
I do?

Speaker 1 (01:39:14):
I do, really, I would love to go.

Speaker 2 (01:39:16):
I have a daughter in law who wants a whole
family to go.

Speaker 1 (01:39:18):
Yes, you should.

Speaker 2 (01:39:20):
My thinking is, okay, there it is, let's go home. Okay,
what else do you do up there?

Speaker 1 (01:39:25):
That's like?

Speaker 2 (01:39:25):
That is it?

Speaker 6 (01:39:27):
No? I know?

Speaker 1 (01:39:27):
I want to say.

Speaker 2 (01:39:28):
I mean, you drive their pretty country, you see the
stone face, you go, Okay, that's cool, that's cool.

Speaker 1 (01:39:34):
Yes, but but you can say you've been there.

Speaker 2 (01:39:37):
I guess one other one other cool story. Today Ford
is bringing back a badass feature. That's what the headline said.
Wait you know what they're doing, you swear bear what
they're going to uh, let's see, I had submitted paperwork
to bring stick shift back to vehicles.

Speaker 1 (01:39:55):
They're already in view. There's manual transmissions.

Speaker 2 (01:39:58):
Really, yes, they're going to do so electric vehicles an
electric Yeah. Why can you drive still drive a stick?

Speaker 1 (01:40:06):
Absolutely? I can.

Speaker 2 (01:40:06):
I've driven a stick shift for a long time, but
I could still do one.

Speaker 1 (01:40:09):
I can do it. I'm glad my son he learned
on a little Ford Ranger stick shift. That was his
first car. So he learned how to drive a stick.

Speaker 6 (01:40:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:40:15):
But how many young people know how to drive a
stick Very few? But you know the new Cadillac c
T five, the V that they have a manual transmission
they feature you can do automatic.

Speaker 2 (01:40:28):
Yeah, I know.

Speaker 1 (01:40:29):
I'm not like where you do that, like literally clutch
and really clutch and everything.

Speaker 2 (01:40:33):
I haven't driven a stick forever.

Speaker 1 (01:40:35):
I haven't. I can do it. I can do it.
I I like it, but I actually am lazy, so
I like to drive the automatics. But I can do it.

Speaker 2 (01:40:42):
We all are all right. That does it for us tonight,
head up, shoulders back, May God bless you and your
great family, and that's great country as well. We'll talk
to you tomorrow at four, enjoy the rest of your
Monday evening.

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